Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 160 - The Assassination of JFK Part 3 - From All Angles

Episode Date: July 9, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:58 Oh, man. That's cool. I'm fine with it. I just wish I had Jackie Chan powers. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't want any trouble. Well, Jackie Chan has a hole in his head, so, like, it's all right.
Starting point is 00:01:07 I saw three of those movies. I don't want no trouble. I'm very excited for the next one. I will not knock over that vase. And if I have a rolled up newspaper, better watch the fuck out. And don't think that I can't jump through a tiny little mail slot. Because I can. Because I can.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Chamoli! Yeah. Camels hump. Yeah. Are we excited for the new rush hour movie, by the way, gentlemen? Do you raise your hand because it's the only movie franchise you've ever seen every entry in? There's a new rush hour.
Starting point is 00:01:35 That's not true at all. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars, don't count. I'm trying to think of another full, a full, a full franchise I've seen front to back. A full franchise. Everybody's seen Lord of the Rings and Star Wars. Those don't count. God damn it. I, uh, damn it.
Starting point is 00:01:55 I was going to say like alien, but I've only seen alien and aliens and I didn't go past that. Terminator. I've seen Terminator one and two and then I didn't go past that. We got him, kids. We got him, boys. Shit. You know, I'll think of it.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Air Bud? No, I haven't seen all the Air Buds. Why would you even watch all the Air Buds? Why is that the next one you went to? I'm thinking of franchises that I am. That maybe I have seen. Indiana Jones kind of doesn't count either. I have seen the Indiana Jones though, so if that, but if that doesn't count, then that's
Starting point is 00:02:22 I can't. Godfather doesn't count, but I know that you haven't seen any Godfathers, so I have never seen them. Okay. All right. Well, I'm going to think on that while Alex takes it away because we're, I've been googling if there's another rush out movie. That's not true.
Starting point is 00:02:37 There's a fourth rush hour. Yeah. No, they're, they're working on one. Are they not? That's why I heard. Am I wrong? Did it die in COVID? I swear.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I just January 21st, 2022 rush hour for what we know so far. Can I tell you what's crazy about this? So I'm on IMDB and it says the only person attached. There's two people, Chris Tucker and the writer. And I was like, I got one of the writer to, what is the writer done? That's barely rush hour at that point. Here's the crazy things. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Here's the crazy thing. The writer for rush hour has written rush hour as a, first off, this is insane. Has written only the rush hour movies. What else is there? TV show and the rush hour for, yeah, and what's even crazier, uncredited, uh, script revisions. This is madness. These three movies uncredited, one, Star Trek first contact to cliffhanger, three universal
Starting point is 00:03:40 soldier. This guy wrote Madness's childhood single-handedly wrote Madness's childhood. Are you the writer? It was me. That's why the only movies I've seen are the ones I've worked on. He's just super method. That's why he hasn't watched any movies. I can't get into it.
Starting point is 00:03:58 You know, ruin my creative process. His rule of watching movies is if Lee and Carter haven't seen the movie, neither has he. Uh, I've seen, there was something. It's gone. That's how it, that's how it always goes. Yeah. There was something there for a minute.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Welcome back to part three of the first of several JFK episodes I'm going to be doing this year. Welcome back. Uh, if we're going to, but that's going to be like 10 parts, everybody, just like, this is going to be. Don't think about that right now. Journey. Don't think about that right now.
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Starting point is 00:05:29 There's never in the history of government have there been such a thing. No one can see this, but Jesse is completely shrouded in darkness for today's like get together calling and I don't know, man, you might be the government sanction agent that allows for such. He looks like a whistleblower. He looks like a whistleblower right now. No joke. Anyway,
Starting point is 00:05:47 Wait, wait, wait, before you go, I'm going to steal it from you two things that I want to push forward. Take one. Hey, because of you guys, rotten popcorn, the show, there's five, there's six episodes on Patreon, but now we have a full on public RSS feed where we'll be uploading one episode a month. The Mothman prophecies was uploaded recently. That was so long ago.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Main feed. There will be no more rotten popcorn episodes on our main feed. It was just to let you guys know. Hey, that's out there. Can I ask a question? Can I just say a thing? Yeah, you can. Um, so I know during that first episode, we didn't know what to call it and for few
Starting point is 00:06:19 episodes after we didn't know what to call it and the two of you took some time and you thought about what to call it and then you said, we're going to call it rotten popcorn. I went to go look at the comments and that first one in every comment is like, I was confused because there's another show called rotten popcorn that I really enjoy and I thought that was an episode of that. Oh no, there's another rotten popcorn. We'll be. That's our tradition.
Starting point is 00:06:39 So don't worry about it. That's one of the things. You know, here's, here's what you need to learn from the internet. No matter what you try to do, someone has already done it. So what am I supposed to do? Here's what we do. We'll do what we did last time. Wait it out and do nothing and it'll just go with it worked out at least once for us.
Starting point is 00:07:01 It's true. Um, but hey, yeah, once a month we'll be uploading. Go subscribe to that RSS feed. You guys can go listen to it for free now. The only show called rotten popcorn at shilluminati.com on the internet. Also, go to the yeti.com slash shilluminati. We sold out a Moffman plushes, the first wave of 500 in 12 hours. They were just gone.
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Starting point is 00:07:42 and absolutely see all the pictures of Moffman plush, like traveling the world from all the people out there. It's good. It's some good stuff. I can't believe how much people love that little fucker. He's so adorable. He makes it sound so awful. It's such an awful sound for how pretty he is at the upgrade.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Next time we do a Moffman plush, we get the call. You squeeze his little wing and Moffman build a bear. Mm-hmm. You can hug him and it could be like, Oswald couldn't possibly have acted alone. Jet fuel can't melt steel beams. Get one of four conspiracy sayings with your Moffman. And then the one like junk prizes me just like, that's not real. Not even the Moffman is real.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Go back to sleep. It's just not even stop dreaming. Instead of a Moffman, one in 12 people gets a Jesse plush. It's like, that's not real. This is the Chiluminati t-shirt. It's the exact same thing, except it's just flesh-colored. It's the HD texture of your face wrapped over the front of it. It's wings coming out the back.
Starting point is 00:08:50 That's like that would be a Jesse merch from like 2015. That's not real. All right, that's all I had. Alex, you could take it back now. Anyway, just like last time, we're going to continue winding our way through. They killed our president 63 reasons to believe there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK by Governor Jesse Ventura. And it's not a good book again.
Starting point is 00:09:14 But it does work as a good man. You should not take anything he says, man. I'm just going to say this book is not like almost every link leads to a broken YouTube video link, like almost every citation in the book leads to like something that is no longer in the book is based off of YouTube. I had to go through great pains to like backdoor verify every quote that I put in this goddamn book. It's fucking crazy.
Starting point is 00:09:37 It's fucking I probably did more work than he did in writing the book. Honestly, the setup has been great. And episode one of JFK was really just kind of the facts. And then as episode two and episode three, as we go into the Jesse Ventura stuff, it gets crazier and crazier and crazier. Are you in the future somehow? Because this is still episode one, baby. Oh, sorry. Don't forget.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Listen for this for the sake of our listeners. This is part three. For the sake of me, I promise you this is only episode one. I don't know what that means. Last time I know last mean either last time we finished by talking about Jack Ruby knowing Oswald before killing him and his possible CIA and mob connections. But before we get back to it, here's a little disclaimer. John F. Kennedy was a real person and his assassination was a real act of violence.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Therefore, you're going to be discussing some seriously disturbing imagery and subject matter throughout the course of this series. This was the high profile murder of a sitting US president. Videos and pictures of Google after listening to this may distribute so proceed with caution. It also happens to be one of the most notorious moments in world history. And therefore, it's extremely ingrained in our national culture at all levels. So sometimes it's easy to forget that it really happened
Starting point is 00:10:44 and it wasn't really that long ago. And I'm sure that at some point during this one, two or all three of us, maybe even right after I finished talking, Matthew's going to say something absolutely disgusting. But one of us is going to say something flippant about this in ways we haven't been about other murders on the show. So let me apologize for that in advance. Also, please remember that until the very end,
Starting point is 00:11:02 I'm going to be reporting on what other people think happened that day. If you don't like what you hear, don't shoot the messenger, at least until the end when I tell you what I think. And finally, even though I promise I'm going to try and do this to the best of my ability, I am not an expert. I'm just an internet comedian. I'm probably going to make some mistakes, maybe even some egregious ones. So again, let me apologize for that in advance
Starting point is 00:11:21 and for whatever disgusting thing Matthew is about to say. And now, listen, without further ado, all I was, I just had a scientific curiosity. Do you think when his brains were blown out, the part of his brain still in the skull, if you pushed it, it gave him like a boner on a command. You'd be like, you see, what? Pop up.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Why would you say that? Like a little boner button in his brain that was still hanging out. I got a boner button in my brain, baby. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, maybe one of the secret service agents in the hospital and nobody was around. No one did that. No one did that.
Starting point is 00:11:52 You know what my boner button is called? Pregnant Pokemon drawings. That's what it's called. Just get it. What is this podcast? It's just, you know, it is what it is. This is this is marked explicit every episode. Please please make sure you can see my fiancee
Starting point is 00:12:06 in the background of the webcam. No one can see your head in her hands and I see you. She's like she's disappointed and laughing out. It checks out weeping for her loss. It's because they share that. Which Pokemon like which Pokemon, which pregnant Pokemon is the hottest? The fairy is the one.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Guard of war. That's yours? No, that's the one that she left the room. She literally got up and left the room. Ladies and gentlemen, the fiancee has left the building. It's over. Give me a pregnant Trubbish and I will reign with you. That's what you want.
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Starting point is 00:13:54 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eight months pregnant, I didn't know. Last time we ended with a section called The Cleanup and now it's 29 through 32, which is called Cleanup Again. So first today, before we start with new information, I just want to have Mathis read just the last part of the Justice Department memo I read a couple of weeks ago. In the mini-sode, I did as a little trailer for this
Starting point is 00:14:17 for this little JFK starter pack trilogy that I made here. Yeah, if you want the JFK prequel, you know, the preamble, go to patreon.com.com. Yeah, and this, it's from three days after President Kennedy was assassinated as Monday, November 25th, 1963. I dropped it in Twitter for you, Mathis. I got you. Here it is.
Starting point is 00:14:40 The matter has been handled thus far with neither dignity nor conviction. Facts have been mixed with rumor and speculation. We can scarcely let the world see us totally in the image of the Dallas police than when our president is murdered. Wait, did I say that right? We can scarcely let the world see us totally in the image of the Dallas police when our president is murdered.
Starting point is 00:14:57 I think this objective may be satisfied by making public as soon as possible a complete and thorough FBI report on Oswald and the assassination. This may run to the difficulty of pointing to inconsistencies between this report and the statements by Dallas police officials. But the reputation of the bureau is such that it may do the whole job.
Starting point is 00:15:13 The only other step would be the appointment of a presidential commission of unimpeachable personnel to review and examine the evidence. Your new message bumped. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only other step would be the appointment of a presidential commission of unimpeachable personnel to review and examine
Starting point is 00:15:29 the evidence and announce its conclusions. This has both advantages and disadvantages. I think it can await publication of the FBI report and public reaction to it here and abroad. I think, however, that a statement that all the facts will be made public property in an orderly and responsible way should be made now. We need something to head off public speculation or congressional
Starting point is 00:15:48 hearings of the wrong sort. Nicholas Katzenbach, deputy attorney general. Yeah. Now, just like I said last time, I love this memo because depending on what you believe, this memo either means one, that this it's like an expression of shame after a fucked up media circus and just a desire from the government to get the real accurate story out there for people to read, which is like,
Starting point is 00:16:12 you know, one sensible reading of this. And the other one too, as Jesse Ventura puts it, the smoking gun in a plot to cover up certain details of the conspiracy that was carried out on that fateful day. So regardless of which one you believe, the memo is kind of interesting and is sort of just like this sort of proof that the government was thinking about this, you know. But Jesse Ventura says, and this is all actually with his own
Starting point is 00:16:41 emphasis, which he conveyed with both italics and sometimes an underline quote, and that's why they formed the Warren Commission. That's the real reason not to find the truth, but to bury it. That's what he said. Done. Done. I'm not sure which one you guys are leaning towards at this
Starting point is 00:17:00 point, but up next, I have a couple of different pieces of evidence to the book says to look at here, which are definitely closer to the option to side of the fence. If you know what I mean. First thing on the list is the fact that after President Kennedy was shot on the Friday, the limousine he was sitting in when everything went down, probably an endless supply of good forensic evidence was already back in Detroit at the Ford
Starting point is 00:17:23 factory, getting stripped down and rebuilt shiny and new. According to Ford, Ford Motor Company, senior manager George Whitaker, senior who worked at the Rouge plant in Detroit, he found the car the same morning the Justice Department memo was sent out Monday 25th with fully gutted. The car was fully gutted in the process of having its windshield replaced. He also saw the original windshield behind a locked door in the
Starting point is 00:17:49 glass plant lab and explained that everything in the car had been completely destroyed and replaced. Also, according to somewhat controversial Louisiana DA Jim Garrison, the president's corpse and his limousine were handled in a surprisingly similar manner. Here's a quote for Jesse to read, which I would appreciate him doing in a sugary sweet tone like the one taken on by Kevin Costner when he played this man in Oliver Stone's much disputed
Starting point is 00:18:15 but still worth watching from a skeptical perspective, largely fictional film JFK. Sugar sweet. The government succeeded in accomplishing what normally it would not be able to accomplish another city and succeeded in getting the body of the president out of Dallas without an autopsy. In other words, Air Force One didn't so much take off as it made
Starting point is 00:18:40 a getaway plane took off with the body of the president. You can't say it made a getaway and then say the plane to anyway. The plane took off with the body of the president. No civilian autopsy had been conducted. Then the body was placed in a controlled environment, the military hospital at Bethesda, and there the autopsy was conducted.
Starting point is 00:19:00 After the autopsy, Commander Humes, who conducted the autopsy, burned his notes, which is probably the first time in history that a serious autopsy resulted in the burning of notes. I just need Jesse's voice to be masked and modeled while he speaks. I have no way of knowing whether it was the first time in history that somebody burned their notes or not.
Starting point is 00:19:21 That seems insane. But it was actually true that according to Texas law, jurisdiction for the autopsy fell very clearly to local authorities rather than the federal ones. That's the whole thing with Texas. They want their own authority over the government's authority. So it makes sense that that was their law.
Starting point is 00:19:38 But also, here's another quote from Mathis to read from a secret service expert I've mentioned before, a guy called Vince Palamara, who said the battle for presidents, the president's body was waged between secret service agents and Dallas police at gunpoint. Oh, God. All right. Ironically, two of the agents who participated in that
Starting point is 00:20:00 illegal seizure of the president's body at gunpoint were Roy Kellerman and Bill Greer, who wrote in JFK's limousine and were paramount to his supposed security. Since the murder of a president was not then a federal crime, the agents had zero jurisdiction. Yeah. And literally the law. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:20:16 100%. Even in the 60s, multiple presidents have been shot and they still were like, no, not a federal crime. Literally, this is why the law changed. Crazy. Yeah. So you know this is a nut thing. And this is like a very nuts thing for them to do because
Starting point is 00:20:29 the law actually changed as a result of this happening. But it doesn't stop with a secret service, as there's also fairly decent grounds to half suppose that the FBI might have been involved in covering things up as well, starting with the fact that literally 24 hours after the president was shot, without any real evidence at all, the FBI's actual real biological daddy, J Edgar Hoover, had already declared with certainty that Oswald was the killer.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Admittedly, this seems weak on its own as evidence, but apparently there was also quite a bit of possible evidence and witness tampering going on all the time too. Often in the context of strong arming these witnesses into actually revising their version of events. We talked about this already a little bit last time with the guy who got shot in the head and maybe changed his story after seeing another guy hiding with Oswald in a car parking lot
Starting point is 00:21:18 or whatever. But other witnesses even said that they went to go read their own testimonies back after the fact and were like horrified that basically what they told the agents interviewing them was just like straight up changed. And we'll touch on that a little bit later too. And this was because according to Senator Richard Swiker, they were trying to obscure and clear their connection to both
Starting point is 00:21:39 Oswald, a.k.a. informant number 179 and Jack Ruby. And here is a quote from that senator for Jesse to read right now. I'm going to drop that in the little zoom box for you. Jesse, your voice has to be like this. You've got to be like... I can't be like that. I'm a senator.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Yeah. Now, why did the FBI withhold for 12 years that Ruby had informed for them on nine occasions? That's the wrong. That's probably shouldn't do that. Everybody from now on. Okay. Voices.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Okay. Consider the context. This wasn't national security information. So why were they so sensitive? Also, I'm certain there were extenuating circumstances in these activities running guns to Cuba. We were really running a secret war against Cuba and we know the CIA was heavily involved.
Starting point is 00:22:32 Ruby had to have been at least working for someone who was working for the CIA. Yep. That's a senator again. And then we have the quote from J. Edgar Hoover's phone call where he's briefing President Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy's vice president about Oswald the day after the assassination where he says, quote, we have up here the tape and the photograph of the
Starting point is 00:22:52 man who was at the Soviet Embassy. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice nor to his appearance. It appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy. Like why would that even be on the table as a conversation that anyone would be having if Oswald wasn't into some type of secret agent type shit?
Starting point is 00:23:12 You know what I mean? Like why would that even be a topic of conversation? You know what I mean? And here's a quote from Mathis to read from a former aid to US House Majority Leader, Hale Boggs, from the time he served on the Warren Commission. Here we go. This is for Mathis.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Is it going to be Zoom or Twitter? There it is. Hale always returned to one thing. Hoover lied his eyes out to the commission on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it. Yeah. So like everybody knew that he was lying or making it up or it was coming from a manipulative place.
Starting point is 00:23:48 The next summer when Hoover was chilling out at the Hotel Del Charo down near San Diego with a bunch of super right wing Texas oil barons that he liked to vibe out with, one guy, Billy Byers Jr., who was like a teenage son of the like Baron Billy Byers, asked Hoover if he thought Oswald shot Kennedy and Hoover had this to say, quote, if I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Anyway, I know. Make that what you will. Let me know if you can see through it. Also, no oil barons reminds me this is a lady couple blocks over bumper sticker says spoiled oil wife. Oh, yeah. It's kind of popped into my head. You live next to a giant mansion.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Is that right? I mean, it's it's bigger than what I live in. But it's not. I mean, that checks out. Yeah. Yeah, it's fair enough, fair enough. So that's all. Do you think that you can see through my allegations or does it
Starting point is 00:24:40 remind you of my next section? Number 33 to 35, the X-rays. Get it? Do you see what I did there? This next section is about X-rays and which you let you see through stuff like the title says. Oh, I see. OK, there it is.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Stay connected. Sorry. Researcher and former OSS agent and State Department Intelligent Analyst Harold Weisberg first brought forth the serious possibility that the X-rays of the president's head showed all kinds of bullet pieces and particles like scattered all through his skull. Corroborating that is the congressional testimony from
Starting point is 00:25:13 one of the morticians who saw the president's corpse that day, a guy called Thomas Robinson, who said, quote, it exited in many pieces and, quote, they were literally picked out little pieces of this bullet from all over his head. This is kind of maybe what you might expect from a bullet wound to the head, I suppose, maybe. But if you remember from part one, we were talking about frangible and non-frangible ammo, which makes this pretty
Starting point is 00:25:38 compelling evidence for an alternative to the official story. Basically, the carcano rifle Oswald is holding in those pictures in which he officially used to assassinate the president is a military weapon, which as per the Geneva Convention and NATO, we know is forbidden from firing fragmenting or frangible bullets. So that's how we know for sure. What?
Starting point is 00:25:59 Hold on. If you're going to shoot the president, forbidden is like, at that point, doesn't matter. No, I just mean the gun. The gun can't shoot them. It doesn't shoot them. It's not made. It's not built to shoot them.
Starting point is 00:26:11 So that's how we know for sure that that rifle, as a result of that, shoots full metal jacket bullets. That's the only kind that fit in it. Which definitely don't fragment, even though it seems like maybe the bullet in the president's head did fragment, which is, you know, not consistent. And next, to go along with this general strangeness, I have a few quotes taken straight from the book for Jesse
Starting point is 00:26:35 to read and then some for Mathis to read, just so we're all on the same page about what people saw that day at the hospital while these X-rays and autopsy photos are being taken. And this is definitely going to be a Twitter boy for Jesse here. OK, so there are multiple people here. Secret service agent or special agent, Clint Hill. The right rear portion of his head was missing.
Starting point is 00:27:01 It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. This is Kennedy was completely covered in blood. There was so much blood, you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
Starting point is 00:27:23 This is nurse Diana Bowren. There was a gaping wound in the back of his head. It was gone, gone. There was nothing there, just a big gaping hole. There might have been little clumps of scout, but most of the bone over the hole, there was no bone there. There was no damage to the front of his face. Only wound in the back of his head and the entry wound
Starting point is 00:27:51 his throat. The wound was so large, I could almost put my whole fist into it. Nurse Doris Nelson. There wasn't even hair back there. It was blown away. All that area was blown out. Nurse Pat Hutton.
Starting point is 00:28:10 A doctor asked me to place pressure. Oh, he got so many voices. This was no use, however, because of the massive opening on the back of his head. Dr. Malcolm Perry. There was blood and notes on the carriage. Oh, blood noted. Oh, sorry.
Starting point is 00:28:33 There was blood noted on the carriage and a large voodoo wound on the right posterior cranium. This man said posterior cranium. Hold on, let me redo that. I see that was blood noted on the carriage and a large voodoo wound on the right posterior cranium. Better. I think that was better.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Sounds great. The next couple are for Mathis. I apologize again for the colorful imagery. I suppose you could call it. Apologize into the wrong people. All right. Twitter again. Yep.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Yep. Here it is. Okay. Dr. Ronald Jones. There was a large defect in the backside of the head as the president lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of his wound with multiple pieces of skull
Starting point is 00:29:24 noted next with the brain and the tremendous amount of gunshot, a large defect on his skull. But I mean, everybody uses their own, I guess, descriptors. Yeah. Paul Peters. I noticed the head wound. And as I remember, I noticed there was a large defect in that occiput occiput.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I don't know. How do you say that? I'm not sure. 100% occiput. For everybody out there. OCCIPUT. Like ocular, maybe? Like occiput.
Starting point is 00:29:49 That's what I was thinking. Like occiput. What is the 2C? Yeah, I don't know. It's very confusing. It's got to be oc or osc. I'm going to go with occiput. It seemed to me that in the right oc, oc, oc, occipital,
Starting point is 00:30:02 occipital parietal area that there was a large defect. There appeared to be bone loss and brain loss in the area. We speculated as to whether he had been shot once or twice because we saw the wound of entry in the throat and noted the large occipital go wound. I hate that word. I know that word. It's occipital.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Ossipital word. So apparently it's occiput. Ossiput. Get occiput. Ossiput. Ossiput. Right? You know, we all learn.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Dr. Kemp Clark then said, I then examined the wound in the back of the president's head. There was a large, gaping wound in the right posterior part with cerebril and cerebellar tissue being damaged and exposed. Then nurse, Margaret Hinchcliffe. I've only got one lady voice. The president has a gaping wound in the back of his head
Starting point is 00:30:45 and an entrance wound in his throat. That sounds like a little tiny man is what it sounds like. He's real. Yeah, you got a like calm number. It isn't about the high pitch, it's about the inclination. Just imagine you're a lady and you don't worry. Don't worry about the high pitch, you don't need that. Not all women have high pitch voices.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Maybe she's an aggressive New York woman with an extremely high pitched voice, okay? Maybe she's a little mouse who lives on a boat. Uh, but there's the photographer Floyd Ryb, a big gaping hole in the back of the head. That's very simple. Yep. FBI special agent, Frank O'Neill.
Starting point is 00:31:18 We'll give him the mixed voice. A massive wound in the right rear. Yeah. But yeah, all this just to say that it wasn't just a couple of people misremembering this. And honestly, anyone who saw President John F. Kennedy with his skull blown out is probably gonna remember it for the rest of their life.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Anyway, there's even similar accounts of people remembering a big entry wound on the front of President Kennedy's forehead near his hairline too. But that is actually somewhat reflected in the actual autopsy photos, which I'll give you a link to right now. But if you guys are actually Googling these photos, which you absolutely should not do,
Starting point is 00:31:53 unless you're ready to see some very disturbing stuff, you'll notice that the pictures themselves- You're sending it to us? I gotta look at this? You don't have to if you don't want to. Whoa, no, that's unpleasant. Yeah, you'll notice that the pictures themselves and everything else these people said
Starting point is 00:32:07 don't really match with each other. Like you don't see, there's actually a picture of the back of his head, which is not a gaping hole in this photograph. So why is that? So according to David W. Mantek, who's both a physician and a JFK assassination researcher who's legit enough to be cited by the museum
Starting point is 00:32:28 that currently occupies the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building, which is like a really good museum, that's because some modifications were made. And here is a quote about that for Jesse to read. I'm gonna try and put it in the Zoom. Oh, it's going to Twitter. It's just gotta go in the Twitter.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Instead, they, the official autopsy photos and X-rays, were taken after tampering by H and B, Dr. Humes and Dr. Boswell, the two physicians who performed the autopsy of President Kennedy. Perhaps even after significant tampering, especially if Robinson and Reed are correct. Furthermore, the massive damage seen in the photographs
Starting point is 00:33:10 and X-rays was not caused just by a bullet or even by multiple bullets, but instead by pathological hands. In particular, for a single full-metal jacketed bullet, the Warren Commission's inevitable scenario, to generate such an enormous deficit, or defect, sorry, has always defied credibility. Likewise, Boswell's sketch
Starting point is 00:33:33 for the assassination records review board on the skull of this enormous defect only shows the condition of the skull after tampering by H and B. And does not reflect the skull as seen at Parkland Hospital in Dallas. The Parkland witnesses fully concur with this. On the other hand, many witnesses at Bethesda
Starting point is 00:33:58 saw the condition of the skull before such tampering began. These witnesses, both physicians and paraprofessionals, whatever that is, uniformly describe a right occipital blowout, right rear of skull, consistent with a shot from the front. And if you wanna get even more detailed
Starting point is 00:34:18 about what exactly went down in that regard, here is another quote from the mortician that day, Tom Robinson, who said they'd actually filled in that original wound with something, quote, about the size of a small orange, circular, ragged, directly behind the back of his head. They brought a piece of heavy-duty rubber, again, to fill this area in the back of the head.
Starting point is 00:34:39 It had to be all dried out, packed, and the rubber placed in the hair, and the skin pulled back over and stitched into that piece of rubber. It's pretty morose and bizarre for the mortician who worked on his body that day to say that, which I also think makes this pretty tough to stomach
Starting point is 00:34:55 because why, if you saw something like this, wouldn't you immediately blow it up in every newspaper, right? Yeah. Well, counter to that, maybe it's because of what happened to Navy Lieutenant Commander William Bruce Pitzer. Pitzer was the, quote, head of the Navy TV unit
Starting point is 00:35:13 at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maine, meaning he was in charge of the audiovisual department, meaning that at the time of Kennedy's assassination, he certainly handled all of the film and stuff associated with the autopsy. Some people have even said he was present for the actual autopsy itself, but according to what I could see,
Starting point is 00:35:30 this was not able to be substantiated. Officially, though, years later, on October 29th, 1966, Pitzer was found dead in his office at the Medical Center TV studio, days away from Navy retirement and with an excellent new job lined up teaching AV at a college
Starting point is 00:35:47 from what was said to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. However, a couple of things seem strange. Firstly, the dude was, quote, very cheerful, end quote, that day, and most people wouldn't have said he was depressed. He also did chores. He cooked breakfast.
Starting point is 00:36:03 He grabbed some groceries for later and checked in on some work stuff that day, which seems like it would be a strange thing to do if you were planning on being gone from this world in a few hours. He also actually wrote himself a note reminding himself to return the revolver to the security office after he was done with it,
Starting point is 00:36:19 which you wouldn't do if you were about to blow your own brains out. And furthermore, GSR tests established that the victim had not recently fired a weapon and that the revolver used to shoot him was held over three feet away from his head when it was fired, which was made even more bizarre by the fact
Starting point is 00:36:37 that these results were kept from the family by the FBI for years. And also, there's Daniel Marvin. Daniel Marvin was a green beret who commanded a team in South Vietnam from December 1965 to August 1966 and was the leader of a 12-man special forces team sent into Cambodia after the Viet Cong who eventually retired as a lieutenant colonel in 1973.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Here's an excerpt from a thing he wrote in 1995, which I'll read for you now, and which basically corroborates and colors in this whole story. Here we go. In the fall of 1993, while I was watching a documentary on the JFK assassination, I was stunned to see the name of William Pitzer
Starting point is 00:37:16 flash across the screen in the list of violent deaths putatively linked with the cover-up of a conspiracy. Seeing that name jolted my memory back to the first week of August 1965 at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Colonel Clarence W. Patton, commanding officer of my unit, the Sixth Special Forces Group,
Starting point is 00:37:33 summoned me with instructions to meet a company man in an area adjacent to headquarters. Another green beret captain named David H. Vannick, with whom I had taken assassination training, joined me outside the building and we walked together, asking each other what this was all about. Neither of us had an inkling, except that it must be a covert mission of some sort.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Not far, perhaps 100 yards, and in the shade of some nearby pine trees, a slender man of five foot 10 waited. Dressed casually in short sleeves, light slacks, and sunglasses appropriate for the August heat, he flashed his ID and took me aside. Would I terminate a man who was preparing to give state secrets to the enemy,
Starting point is 00:38:13 a traitor in the making? I asked who the traitor was, and I was told he was a Navy officer, a Lieutenant Commander William Bruce Pitzer. The agent told me that Pitzer worked at Bethesda Naval Hospital. He said nothing of a link with the JFK autopsy, and I just assumed that Pitzer was one of those sorry types
Starting point is 00:38:29 that went wrong and was gonna sell secrets to our enemy. The job had to be done at Bethesda before the man retired from the Navy. I really didn't care about killing Pitzer, but I wasn't about to do that sort of thing here in the USA, and from the beginning it was understood that we would be used overseas, not in our home turf. So I refused the mission
Starting point is 00:38:46 after he'd already told me the guy's name, which is not a good thing. The agent seemed irritated, sure enough, but he'd goofed and he knew I was one of theirs, and when we parted, he and I both knew that the name would be as good as forgotten by me. I sure wouldn't want to compromise the plot to rid our military of a traitor, would I?
Starting point is 00:39:03 The agent then simply turned around and walked over to meet Captain Vannick, who was just waiting out of earshot, and I headed back to my office. Whether or not that agent offered Vannick the same mission or whether or not he accepted the mission is only for him to say. I have neither seen nor heard of him these past 29 years.
Starting point is 00:39:20 My numerous attempts to locate Vannick through the Department of the Army's Veteran Services Director in St. Louis were met with a 15 December 1994 response that their office had, quote, been unable to identify a record of service for the person concerned, end quote. Not true. On 23rd December 1994,
Starting point is 00:39:37 I asked in writing for Senators Kennedy, Demado, and Moynihan to investigate this possible cover-up action. To date, there has been no substantive reply from any of the Senators, and it appears that when there is an alleged legal CIA involvement, even angels fear to tread. So what do you think of that?
Starting point is 00:39:58 Pretty well. You got cut out there for a second, for me. What did you say? What did you think? What do you think of that concept? I'm always wary when someone says I met with someone. They're a top secret agent. They asked me to do a thing.
Starting point is 00:40:13 They told me a bunch of information. I was like, no, not me. And then I like got away with it. There's only two options here. Either one, it's a total lie, because they would never be like, hey, I'm gonna let you know who you should kill. No one does that.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Or two, dude killed that person and is like, ah, but it wasn't me. It could be. It kind of reminds me of bringing us way back to like the mid-20s. We did Missing 401-1 for a couple episodes. And the main guy behind that, who was once a cop, but he was like a beat cop for a while,
Starting point is 00:40:50 what got him into that is he met with a park or like a government ranger or whatever that on the condition of remaining anonymous told him all the truth of all these people who keep going missing and the government pretends it doesn't happen even though. You know, like that kind of thing. It kind of reminds me of that.
Starting point is 00:41:05 It's like, well, now I have to take you at your word. I don't have a choice. It's either I believe you or everything you just told me falls apart. Yeah, yeah, I know. And it's funny that you say Missing 401-1 because the next section, 36 and 37 is called Missing Pieces. Yeah, it's like a poem, it rhymes.
Starting point is 00:41:28 You want to know what the original joke was there for the segue? Did I leave anything out? Anyway, time for 36 and 37, Missing Pieces. Just so you guys. It's still pretty good though, you know? Yeah, I'm glad we went with what we did. Yeah, that's okay.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Now that we're through the autopsy photos, let's take a look at some weirdness having to do with two of the other pillars of the JFK assassination iceberg, the Zapruder film and the magic bullet. We're going to give another look at those. Firstly, here is a quote from Douglas Horn, who is a chief analyst for military records for the assassinations records review board.
Starting point is 00:42:05 And that's going to be for Mathis Street and that's going to go in Twitter. Okay, there it is. Here we go. The review board held a public hearing which was televised by C-SPAN. One of the people watching happened to be one of two people who actually magnified individual frames
Starting point is 00:42:22 from the Zapruder film, the weekend of the assassination and made prints for three briefing boards for use in briefing high officials in the government. The individual who watched the Z film, the individual who watched the Z film hearing on C-SPAN was named Morgan Bennett Hunter and his supervisor in 1963 was Homer McMahon. Both were then CIA employees at NPIC,
Starting point is 00:42:44 the National Photo Interpretation Center. The story that Homer and his assistant Ben told us was that on the weekend of the assassination, they had a film brought to them by the Secret Service. The Z film was brought to them at NPIC on either Saturday night or Sunday night after the assassination because they were positive it was before the president's funeral,
Starting point is 00:43:04 which was on Monday. They said that the agent brought what he represented to them as being the original Zapruder film. He did not come from Dallas. He came from Rochester, New York, where he said the film had been developed and he used a code word for a classified film laboratory that the CIA had paid Kodak to set up and run in Rochester,
Starting point is 00:43:24 their headquarters and main industrial facility. Yeah, but in contrast to that, we already know thanks to processing affidavits used to establish chain of custody for the film that it was absolutely developed for sure in Dallas on November 22nd, the day of the assassination before it went anywhere else. So if it was already developed,
Starting point is 00:43:47 what was it doing in a photo lab in Rochester, New York? Well, I have a possible reason for that, for Jesse to read from the same guy, Douglas Horn, and I'm gonna drop that right into the Zoom chat. If the authentic original film was really shot in slow motion and you wanted to remove certain events, such as the car stop on Elm Street that over 50 daily Plaza eyewitnesses testified to,
Starting point is 00:44:13 you would need to remove several frames and then recreate a film that runs at normal speed. And that is much shorter than the original in terms of total number of frames. Furthermore, if you wanted to eliminate evidence of shots from the front, you would need to black out the exit wound in the back of the head and in some frames
Starting point is 00:44:34 and even more, even remove some frames showing exit debris in midair. The image alteration in these frames would be done using the technique called aerial imaging at a facility that possessed a sophisticated optical printer. Which is exactly what the CIA Kodak photo lab in Rochester would have. And during the break-in-
Starting point is 00:44:58 So Kodak is responsible for this? They made the lab. Yeah, they helped the CIA- Right, so Kodak is in on it. Oh yeah, it just goes all the way up to the top. To Kodak. At the very top, Jesse, there's no such thing as a conspiracy where thousands of people
Starting point is 00:45:11 aren't just keeping a secret, okay? Yeah. I'm just, I mean, I'm just wondering. I mean, just took this out there. Kodak still exists as a company yet. How many people you know buying film? It's the radio shack of cameras. Think about it.
Starting point is 00:45:25 I'm curious, hang on. So what this is saying is that these guys shot in slow motion to hide frames? Yeah, basically like, no, the camera was, the footage was shot in slow motion, which is more frames per second, right? Like, if you shoot something that's supposed to run at 24 frames per second, at 120 frames per second,
Starting point is 00:45:46 if you play it back, it's gonna go slower, right? So what they're saying is to edit it, you're removing the frames in between the frames and bringing those frames closer together for a normal speed clip that's gonna run a lot shorter. So they're saying there was some editing done? They're saying like, yeah, they'd go in and take out some of the clips in slow motion
Starting point is 00:46:07 or black out some of the clips and move them together to make it look like it's... My other question was, and maybe I'm wrong, the kind of camera that was used, is it hand crank? Or is it, at this time, was it normal? Like, did it run on its own? I am not 100% sure of. Because if it's hand crank,
Starting point is 00:46:22 you're immediately, you're immediately, human error is gonna be run rampant. Something surprising happens, the crank slows down, they stop, they pick it back up. Hand crank, that's actually a hand crank is actually probably a little bit before this and what you'd have is something on a spring. So you wind it first, and then you let it go
Starting point is 00:46:44 and it just goes like this. You see the little handle go around? You know more than I do in terms of like, that kind of camera back then. I have a camera like that, that does that. That's like one of these weird handheld ones. It's like super eight something. It's like not quite super eight or something else,
Starting point is 00:46:58 but you know, those are all the whole movie cameras. That's how they operated. But yeah, so basically this happened, they said, hey, we got the original Zapruder film, it's here from Rochester, which is wild because you think, oh, it was developed there and brought back, but it wasn't. It was definitely developed in Texas.
Starting point is 00:47:16 So why was it there? Why was it coming back? Why did it happen during a break in the chain of custody? And why did it come back to Dallas even before the funeral so quickly? There's just a lot of questions about that. It's just like a weird thing. That's all it is.
Starting point is 00:47:31 That's what this whole episode is. And we definitely have evidence that it did move to New York and go back, right? Do we have evidence other than somebody saying it? That's like what it is. Like that's the, it's the secret service agents brought them this on the weekend of the assassination. It was brought to them at the MPIC.
Starting point is 00:47:45 I don't know if that's like an official record, but I don't think these people have any reason to lie about that. These are just the people that worked there. But yeah, now let's talk about the magic bullet. It has been a few weeks, but if you remember, we know that according to the official story, we have one dude shooting bullets. That's Oswald.
Starting point is 00:48:05 We have three bullets that he shot. And we know that one of those bullets skipped off the curb and cut that dude James' face with shrapnel. We know about that one already. Then we know that there's the bullet hole in Kennedy's jacket. And then we know that there's a bullet hole in Kennedy's head. So that's canonically one miss, two hits. Obviously the third shot was the explosive kill shot
Starting point is 00:48:26 that we can see in the Zapruder film. So we know where that bullet went. And that basically just leaves that one middle bullet to do literally everything else. According to Arlen Specter from the Warren Commission, that means that middle bullet penetrated the president, then almost turned to enter Governor Connolly, then went through him, then went back into him again,
Starting point is 00:48:51 and then stopped inside of him. If you want to see a classic version of this, which is both seriously acted and parodied by Wayne Knight in Seinfeld and Oliver Stone's JFK, a movie you should watch but shouldn't fully trust. Here's a link to the clip of the movie right here if you guys want to throw that on in the background. But I'm sure you guys have seen it.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Yeah, I'll throw that up there right now. Let's take a look. Yeah, that's solid music is playing. Yeah, that's seven wounds, two people, one bullet. Right? That's a pretty crazy thing. It's like a two-minute clip. So I'm just gonna keep talking,
Starting point is 00:49:23 but you can kind of suss it as you watch. Also... Wait, hang on. You sent us a link to the door side of Hollywood. Jerry Lewis. Yeah. We're currently watching the Dark Side of Hollywood. This is the second time this has happened.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Are you all right? Wait, what happened? You sent us a link? The video you linked us to a Vanity Fair... It's a Vanity Fair dark side of Hollywood icon, Jerry Lewis. What are these fucking links that I'm getting? Like, I watched this video, I watched this clip. I mean, sure.
Starting point is 00:49:49 I'm sure you did. The dark side of Jerry Lewis? Yes. An eight-minute Vanity Fair video. Let's just put it this way. You guys know that there's a movie called JFK with this scene in it with Kevin Costner with the magic bullet.
Starting point is 00:50:02 It's parodyed in Seinfeld. We have established this. You don't need to watch it. Taking care of business. You can check it out. BTO, taking care of business. No big deal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Seven wounds, two people, one bullet. And also, apparently this is the same bullet that shows up mysteriously in pristine condition and free of any bloodstains on a stretcher in Parkland Hospital out of nowhere. And how can that even be possible if Governor Connolly died an old man later, years later, decades later from that bullet?
Starting point is 00:50:36 He has led from that bullet still in his arm skeleton in his gravestone. How could the bullet itself still be pristine? I have a link to Warren Commission Exhibit 399, which shows both this bullet and a diagram of Arlen Specter's version of the bullet stretcher. You can try and explain that to the people if you want. But you can really talk to, you know,
Starting point is 00:50:59 that bullet is untouched. That bullet is very clean for something that went through two people and caused seven injuries. And we're looking at is the bullet, obviously, which does look in pristine condition. The back of it is bent, I think, or something. I don't know what that bottom picture is. It's a little mush.
Starting point is 00:51:19 It's definitely not fragmented. There's the diagram showing the bullet would have entered kind of like between his shoulder blades in through his throat, out his shoulder, and then rotated and into, I assume that's Governor Connolly, right? Yeah, it's actually an amazing sketch of Governor Connolly, too.
Starting point is 00:51:35 I want to just give credit to the artist here. That looks a lot like Governor Connolly. But it is. Yeah, it would have entered his arm and out his wrist. It is important to note the shift of the bullet. Like it is straight on when it hits Kennedy. It exits Kennedy and then spins, and then the spin, basically the butt end of the bullet,
Starting point is 00:51:57 is what hits the governor. Rotates through with the body, I guess? I don't know. Goes through his body, then out his hand, his arm, then back through his arm, then back out the other side of his arm, while still maintaining like a spin. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:15 And then if you want some sense of how some high profile people were feeling about this feeling at the time. What? That's not what I meant to say. Feeling about this at the time. Here's a short little phone call clip from Mathis and Jesse to read. Mathis is going to be Senator Richard Russell,
Starting point is 00:52:29 Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and actual member of the Warren Commission. And Jesse is going to be President Lyndon Baines Johnson. Oh, boy. They was trying to prove that the same bullet that hit Kennedy first was the one that hit Connolly and went through him and went through his hand and his bone and into his leg and everything else.
Starting point is 00:52:51 But they said that the commission believe that the same bullet that hit Kennedy hit Connolly. Well, I don't believe it. Well, I don't either. Yeah, so neither Johnson nor the senator believed this. And this dude is on the Warren Commission. You know what I mean? But anyway, yeah, the bullet thing pretty wild.
Starting point is 00:53:12 Like I say, I'm going to do a pro lone gunman theory episode later. So I know there's people who are angry about the gun stuff. I know that. I know there are alternative explanations about these guns. You got to open up your mind, people.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Open up that brain. The part of your brain that's like, hey, logic, turn it off. And then just sit back and absorb it. Like I'm talking to you about aliens. Yeah, just believe. Become stupid for a minute. Yeah, you just have to be stupid for a little bit. I'm just trying to educate you about what people are saying.
Starting point is 00:53:43 Like I want you guys to understand this conspiracy theory from the... It's a big one. He's a big boy. It's a big old boy. But yeah, like I say, I'm going to do a pro lone gunman theory episode later, but there is certainly enough going on here
Starting point is 00:53:58 to give someone pause and... Certainly. Yeah, now let's talk a little bit more about Louisiana DA Jim Garrison in 38 and 39 Jim Garrison. Yeah. First. Jim Gaffigan. Jim Gaffigan.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Let's talk a little bit more about Jim Gaffigan. No, let's first do a brief summary of Garrison's involvement with the case. I mean, sorry. Garrison's involvement with the case, not George Harrison. Which has been so hard not to say. Jim Garrison, not George Harrison. Basically...
Starting point is 00:54:31 Very different. Basically, like I said, he was the DA of New Orleans in 1966 and he started to look into the JFK assassination because on the day it went down, an FBI agent in New Orleans called Guy Bannister pissed the whip to a private detective called Jack Martin over missing files or a phone bill or something like that. And Martin was so pissed off that to get back at him,
Starting point is 00:54:53 he ratted Bannister out saying that he'd seen him with this dude, David Ferry, who he thinks might've been connected to the assassination. All these are family names to me and this is very weird. He said Ferry knew Oswald from when they were serving in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol and that he drove to Dallas from New Orleans the night of November 21st
Starting point is 00:55:13 and that he, quote, was supposed to have been the getaway pilot in the assassination, end quote. This led all the way up the ladder to a businessman in town called Clay Shaw being arrested and taken to trial three years later. And during the trial, Garrison was actually the guy who originally subpoenaed the Zapruder film
Starting point is 00:55:31 from the Life Magazine who owned it. And this was the way that people ended up being able to see the Zapruder film for the first time. His aides were bootlegging the film as they were working with it, which is kind of cool. And then I think like in like 10 years ago or something, Garrison's daughter actually gave out his personal copy of it too, which is kind of cool.
Starting point is 00:55:52 But yeah, that's one of the big things about this Garrison case is that it got us this Zapruder film. But anyway, in the years leading up to the trial, Garrison kicked off a huge investigation that uncovered tons of crazy witnesses and evidence of FBI and CIA intervention and mafia connections. But without getting too far into the weeds, we'll jump deep into that in a later episode.
Starting point is 00:56:13 Let's just focus on Oswald, Clay Shaw, and the idea that the official story was altered on purpose to cover up key details as we move forward. Firstly, there's Dean Andrews. Dean Andrews was a smooth talking Southern attorney who knowingly concealed that this guy, Clem Bertrand, was actually Clay Shaw. People were talking about this guy, Clem Bertrand.
Starting point is 00:56:35 They're actually talking about Clay Shaw. Garrison was using him, in this case, to establish that link between Lee Harvey Oswald and Clay Shaw, which I'll talk about in a second. But here is a little conversation from Garrison's book for you guys to read, which shows that he was likely intimidated into changing his story. Jesse is going to reprise his role as Jim Garrison,
Starting point is 00:56:53 and Mathis is going to be Dean Andrews, the smooth talking country lawyer. Oh, God, okay. Oh, yeah. All right. That's a challenging role for someone like me who's not professionally trained, okay? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:07 All right. Wait, where do we start? Okay, there it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're a lie to the grand jury, as you have been lying to me, I'm going to charge you with poetry. Now I'm not communicating with you.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Is this off the record, Dadio? I'm nodding. He nods, everybody, yeah, yeah. Well, in that case, let me sum it up for real quick. It's as simple as this. If I answer that question, you keep asking me. If I give you the name you keep trying to get, then it's a goodbye, Dean Andrews.
Starting point is 00:57:39 It's bon voyage, Dino. I mean like permanent. I mean like a bullet in my head, which makes it hard to do one's legal research if you get my drift. Does that help you see my problem a little better? Now where's my lips? I can't tell if there's something coming through
Starting point is 00:57:54 between us, but are we going to have sex right now? That's how I feel. This is like Gambit from X-Men talking to a clone of himself. I thought I was a smooth talking southern man for this. I think my all smooth talking men are here. You're the same smooth talking man. Read my lips. Either you dance in to the grand jury
Starting point is 00:58:12 with the real moniker of that cat you called. Who called you to represent Lee Oswald? Or your fat behind is going to the slammer. You dig me? I stand up suddenly. Do you have any idea what you're getting into, my man? You want to dance with the government? Is that what you want?
Starting point is 00:58:31 Then be my guest, but you will get sad on and I do mean hard. Oh my God, are we not gonna have sex right now? I did read an Airbnb down the street. It's good to Airbnb. I'm digging into it right here. We're right down the middle of the street. Working overtime.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Workout. Oh yeah. All right. What a conversation if that was a real conversation. Right? Yeah. It's a weird conversation. It's fucking nuts.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Another interesting thing that Garrison uncovered was the possibly doctored testimony of witness Julia Ann Mercer, who I'll read about for you from Garrison's own interactions with her personally. By now, before the assassination, she had been driving west on Elm Street and had been stopped just past the grassy knoll
Starting point is 00:59:16 by traffic congestion. To her surprise, because she recalled that the president's parade is coming soon, she saw a young man in the pickup truck to her right dismount carrying a rifle, not too well concealed in a covering of some sort. She then observed him walk up the grassy hill,
Starting point is 00:59:34 which forms part of the overpass. She looked at the driver several times, got a good look at his round face and brown eyes, and he looked right back at her. Mercer also observed that three police officers were standing near a motorcycle on the overpass bridge above her and just ahead. She recalled that they showed no curiosity
Starting point is 00:59:52 about the young man climbing the side of the grassy knoll with the rifle. After the assassination, when Mercer saw to make this information available to law enforcement authorities, their response was almost frenzied. At the FBI office, where she went that day after the assassination,
Starting point is 01:00:08 she was shown a number of mug shots. Among several she selected as resembling the driver was a photograph of Jack Ruby. On Sunday, when she saw Ruby kill Oswald on television, she positively recognized him as the driver of the pickup truck and promptly notified the local bureau office. Nevertheless, the FBI altered her statement
Starting point is 01:00:30 so it did not note that she had made a positive identification. She laughed when she pointed this out to me. See, she said, the FBI made it just the opposite of what I really told them. Then she added, he was only a few feet away from me. How could I not recognize Jack Ruby when I saw him shoot Oswald on television?
Starting point is 01:00:48 The Dallas Sheriff's Office went through the same laborious fraud and added an imaginative touch of its own. Although Mercer had never been brought before any notary, the Sheriff's Office filed a sworn affidavit stating that she did not identify the driver. Although she might quote, if I see him again and significantly changing other facts.
Starting point is 01:01:08 See that notarized signature she asked me? That's not my signature either. I saw my name with a big A like this. She produced a pen and wrote a name for me. It was clear that the signature the Dallas Sheriff's Office had on its altered statement was not even close to hers. Thank you to HelloFresh for sponsoring this episode.
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Starting point is 01:02:35 No one helps more homeowners than Any Hour Services. But anyway, yeah, the main key witness in the trial was this dude, Perry Russo from Baton Rouge, who was just like an insurance salesman or something. But he testified that he went to some kind of anti-Castro hangout at Ferry's apartment, David Ferry's apartment, where he saw Leon Oswald, AKA Lee Harvey Oswald. And like I said, Clem Bertrand, who was Clay Shaw,
Starting point is 01:03:03 and they all talked about killing JFK together and how there was going to be, quote, triangulation of crossfire and fake alibis and all this stuff. Anyway, Ferry said that he never met Oswald in his life, never talked to him, never interacted with him or anything. But just to give a little credit to all these people who said they saw them together, here is a real fucking verified picture of them together,
Starting point is 01:03:26 Ferry and Oswald serving in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol in 1955, dead ass. You can see, you can see Ferry second from left and Oswald is on the far right in the back, unmistakably. I'm going to have to believe you on that because I don't know what these guys look like other than like, I know what Oswald kind of looks like, but I don't know what this other guy looks like.
Starting point is 01:03:48 Yeah, I'm going to just, I'm going to tell you. He looks like a dork with a white t-shirt on. I mean, that's, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of, yeah, a lot of dudes and white t-shirts. This is a well-established photograph. This is very much actually them, just for the right. Yeah, I believe, I believe. But yeah, once Ferry was fingered as a conspirator
Starting point is 01:04:04 in Garrison's case, he got really upset at one of Garrison's aides, Lou Ivan, over the phone. And he was quoted as saying, you know what this new story does to me, don't you? I'm a dead man. From here on, believe me, I'm a dead man. And less than a week after the details of Garrison's investigation broke
Starting point is 01:04:22 in the New Orleans state's item on February 22nd, 1967, Ferry was found dead in his apartment. And according to the coroner, it was because he had a cerebral hemorrhage due to a congenital intocrinial berry aneurysm at the base of his brain. That means he was born with it. That's what congenital means.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Weirdly though, despite it being a random defect that he'd had since birth, they also found two typed notes in his apartment, one that started with, quote, to leave this life is, for me, a sweet prospect and ended with all the state needs as evidence to support a conviction. If this is justice, then justice be damned.
Starting point is 01:05:00 And then another letter in which he left all his possessions to his best friend, Al Bobuff, which started, quote, when you read this, I will be quite dead and no answer will be possible and ended with the words, as you sowed, so shall you reap. Some people say this sounds less like a suicide note and more like the words of someone
Starting point is 01:05:21 who knows people are coming for him, but I don't know what you guys think. But that's pretty weird to have that in your apartment if you died of a congenital berry aneurysm in your brain. You know what I mean? Less than a week after you've been fingered as the guy who's gonna be in this trial. Pretty weird.
Starting point is 01:05:41 Also, another witness, Garrison, was trying to get a statement from anti-Castro Cuban congressman in exile, Eladio Delvalle, was brutally tortured before being shot point blank in the heart and left with an ax wedged in his skull on the same day that David Ferry was found dead, who he allegedly knew personally
Starting point is 01:06:00 and even firebombed sugar fields together with in Cuba. So think what you will about Garrison, but those are some pretty weird deaths. And speaking of weird deaths, here's 40 through 45. Weird deaths. Yeah, perfect. First death we're going to talk about is Dorothy Kilgallan.
Starting point is 01:06:19 She was a reporter for the New York Evening Journal who competed with two other New York paper reporters in a race around the world using publicly available transport in 1936. She started the Voice of Broadway column and radio show in the New York Journal American in 1938, ran for almost 30 years. She's famous for like jeopardizing
Starting point is 01:06:37 and destroying her personal friendship with Frank Sinatra in 1948 by publishing a huge front page feature on him. And in 1956, probably most popularly, she was famous for serving as one of the panelists on What's My Line for 15 years. So she's one of the, yeah, she's one of the panelists on there.
Starting point is 01:06:55 However, she was also very publicly at odds with the Warren Report in her belief that Kennedy was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. And vowed to keep prying into the case until she broke it, starting with being the only reporter in America allowed to have a private interview with Jack Ruby. So she's the only reporter ever
Starting point is 01:07:12 who's granted permission to talk to him in private. And nobody knew anything that Ruby said to her. And she said that she was about to blow the whole thing wide open in her new book. But then, unfortunately, on November 8th, 1965, she was found dead at home in the bed of her beautiful Manhattan townhouse overdosed on alcohol and barbiturates
Starting point is 01:07:32 with no sign of violence or suicide. It was ruled as likely accidental. However, this didn't square with the fact that she was discovered with about 15 to 20 pills worth of a mixture of nebutol, cecanol, and toanol in her system, which would have really fucked her up to try and take on her own in those amounts.
Starting point is 01:07:49 And it was extra strange because she had been seen totally chill and in a coherent state very shortly before her death. Also, she was in the master bedroom, which was like a red flag for her friends because she was not in a loving relationship with her husband and she would never sleep in that bed. And she wasn't in her usual pajamas.
Starting point is 01:08:08 She was in like a blue bed jacket over a nightgown, which is like a very fancy dress for her. She also had her makeup on and her false eyelashes on, which she never wore to bed. And there was a book on her nightstand that she had set there, like she had just been reading it, even though it was a book that she had already read
Starting point is 01:08:26 and talked about with her friends. And also she needed reading glasses to read, but none of those, like there was no reading glasses anywhere. There's no vomiting, no any mess, nothing like that. It's like she was cleaned up and placed there almost. Also, unsurprisingly, her JFK notes were gone and the friend she gave backups to,
Starting point is 01:08:44 another journalist called Flo Pritchett, was found dead two days later of a cerebral hemorrhage, most likely resulting from her battle with late stage leukemia that she was fighting. But also her copy of her notes was also gone. It's just weird timing. What happened to those notes? Incredibly strange.
Starting point is 01:09:03 Pretty weird. That's some pretty weird stuff. Also, next weird death. I mean, it is. It's very conspiratorially, also like convenient. Next weird death is Lee Bowers. Bowers was a witness to the assassination who had the rare distinction of watching from above
Starting point is 01:09:19 since he was operating the Union Terminal Company's two-story interlocking tower at that time, which overlooked the parking lot north of the grassy knoll. He said he saw two men standing near the fence there at the knoll at the time of the shooting and that he saw some sort of flash of light or smoke coming from near where the men were standing as the motorcade went by.
Starting point is 01:09:38 During his questioning by the Warren Commission, he was cut off mid-sentence by the lawyer he was talking to as he began describing, quote, something out of the ordinary. And friends of his, along with his minister, had said he was afraid to discuss everything he saw with the people who questioned it. In fact, here's some of the testimony we do have
Starting point is 01:09:57 from him for Mathis to read. And why don't you guys listen to what Mathis says right now and then you tell me if he sounds like he was coached to specifically say he saw nothing incriminating. You tell me how this sounds to you. Okay. Ahem. Ahem.
Starting point is 01:10:13 These two men were standing back from the street somewhat at the top of the incline and were very near two trees which were in the area. And one of them from time to time as he walked back and forth disappeared behind a wooden fence, which is also slightly to the west of that. These two men to the best of my knowledge
Starting point is 01:10:28 were standing there at the time of the shooting. Now I could see back, now I could see back or the south side of the wooden fence in the area. So that, so that obviously, wait, so that obviously that there was no one there who could have had anything to do with either as accomplice or anything else
Starting point is 01:10:47 because there was no one there at the moment that the shots were fired. So super, super confident first part. And then he's like, oh yeah, and then also this, and that means that nobody that I was looking at could have ever done anything. They couldn't have been in the accomplice. They couldn't have been anything
Starting point is 01:11:02 at the time the shots were fired. And I know that for sure. Like, it just hits the ear strangely. But yeah. Well yeah, for sure. Jesse, you've been like cackling down there. Is there something on your mind? No, it's just we're in the weeds now.
Starting point is 01:11:19 This is the part of the whole thing that's just like, everybody's a suspect. Yeah, it's again, it's because as people try to withhold information, you know, like going back to the very, very beginning, I was thinking about this then, and I've still been thinking about it, just even going back to Kennedy's head
Starting point is 01:11:42 and the idea of his head and the doctors and everyone operating. Like, there could even be simple explanations of like, dude, it's the president. We don't want photos of the president with a giant hole in his head existing. So let's manipulate this. So that's not a thing that will ever happen.
Starting point is 01:11:59 We're like, things like people could have good intentions. Those good intentions lead to, you know, the murkiness of the situation and that murkiness then devolves into when we have no answers. So let's create answers. And then those fake answers spawn other fake answers, spawn other fake answers, spawn theories,
Starting point is 01:12:16 then conspiracies, then all these different things. And then everyone has a thing to say and everyone adds to it. And now suddenly we are like, caught in the swamp of disinformation. And it's like, all right, well, is this person saying it because it's what's happened or because they want to be involved
Starting point is 01:12:33 in the circus of the whole thing? And it's like, we're officially in that part where it's like, everyone's saying a thing and I trust none of it. I'm like, oh boy. When you get this, to bounce off that, when you get this deep into the weeds, there's no longer room for coincidences.
Starting point is 01:12:49 When the world itself is filled with them all the fucking time and now, but when you get this deep in, everything is intentional. Nothing is a coincidence. Everybody that looks suspicious is involved on some deep governmental level. The problem with that and with most conspiracy is, no matter what someone says to counter the conspiracy,
Starting point is 01:13:10 there is a counter to that. Yeah, there's always a way to fill it. It keeps going, it's sick over and over and over and over again. So if I were to tell you that the government planned it and you said, well, actually, here's a study that says that they did not, I would say, well, who paid for that study? The government, like that kind, it just keeps going.
Starting point is 01:13:27 There's no winning. Yeah, you have to, it's that whole idea and not, by the way, Alex, it would just, not to tangent off of this, but like. No, this is what I want. It's like, in terms of just like, when it comes to conspiracy theories, the government has to both be all-knowing and all-powerful,
Starting point is 01:13:43 much like any fascist or cult-like idea where the government is all-powerful and capable of doing all these things, but so sloppy that it's so easy to see as long as you know the truth. Absolutely. And it's like, they do not, there's no core, you can't coexist in that way.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Like it's impossible. Like every enemy has to be the strongest enemy and yet the weakest enemy at the same time. It's true. It's the same idea. It is the exact same thing as when people say, I do not believe Joe Biden is the president. It is all a cover-up.
Starting point is 01:14:14 It's all a thing. Donald Trump is the president. Also, gas prices are the president's fault. Right. Oh, you mean the fake president? Yeah, the fake president is not actually in control, but he's in control of just enough that he can do these things, but not the-
Starting point is 01:14:27 Whoa, it's all set up. It's like that sort of disassociation where it's like, you can't have it both ways. It's got to be one of the other people. It's the only way. It's the only way it makes sense for it. When you get this deepest, like, when you get this deep and you're somebody
Starting point is 01:14:39 who truly believes that, you know, they're in the truth and they're not in the weeds, to get out of that is like triple the amount of work. Yeah, 100%. You're so deep. You have to undo years and craziness and accept that the world is chaos sometimes and coincidences and the shit like that
Starting point is 01:14:58 are going to happen and not everything is a conspiracy, which is scarier for a lot of people to be like- Yeah, people like- I'm at the whim of chaos. Like, wrapped up in a nice little package. Done. We have our answers. Let's move on.
Starting point is 01:15:10 Is why in ages past, religion was much more prevalent because it gave you the nice wrapped up package. It was easy. And now as there's more and more science, more and more people are like, well, I don't know that religion is the answer, but now they're like science is the answer. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:15:28 A thousand years from now, what it will, maybe like future science, like old science, that's for idiots, future, who knows what could happen? It's not even about just serious stuff either. Like people are like, every July for the last three years, Nintendo has announced a new switch. So that means that a new switch is coming out this week. You know, like-
Starting point is 01:15:46 It's everything. Everything in the world you can look at. It's like- It's like looking at number bones. Is it numerology where you look at numbers and you find patterns that aren't there? That's what the JFK Q and On guys do. The thing we talked about, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:15:57 That whole like, they're doing the numbers in the math and that proves because the world's geometry and reality isn't real and everything is patterned. Yeah. But what is true? Then you dissolve into numbers when you smoke too much weed. Indeed.
Starting point is 01:16:10 And what is true though, is that Lee Bowers died. And it might not surprise you to hear that he died in August of 1966 in what was officially said to be, quote, a one car accident on a long, open, lonely stretch of road in the middle Othian, Texas. But that also, there were eyewitness reports of another car running him off the road.
Starting point is 01:16:32 This claim was investigated by Texas Highway Patrol Officer Charles Good. And he concluded that it was possible that a car run him off the road. And also, perhaps more importantly, Bowers was not killed on impact. And when emergency workers arrived, he was alive. And when he was talking to emergency workers,
Starting point is 01:16:49 he used some of the last moments that he had on earth to tell them that he thought he'd been drugged when he stopped to get coffee a few miles back. It's a pretty weird death. Next weird death goes to Mary Pinchot, Pinchot, Meyer, Mary Pinchot, Meyer. I don't know how to pronounce it. I'm so, so sorry.
Starting point is 01:17:06 She was a painter and journalist. You're doing your best. She was a painter and a journalist who was married to CIA agent, Cord Meyer, from 1945 to 1958. But after that, became much more important history as one of President John F. Kennedy's many, and possibly most serious and emotionally invested
Starting point is 01:17:24 extramarital relationship, according to those who ran in circles with them. And that's a pretty well-established thing. Like, if you go to this person's Wikipedia entry, like that's the main thing, is that they were very involved together. Like it's, this is not a freeing steer. She liked to bone down.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Just keep that in mind. He was a bony boy. This was not a fringe theory. They were involved together. After Kennedy's death, like Kilgallen, she was just absolutely sure a conspiracy had taken place, claiming to friends that it was Cuban exiles and the mafia working with elements within the CIA
Starting point is 01:17:53 who killed him, and that she knew this 100% for sure for a fact. However, less than a year after the assassination on October 12th, 1964, during her post-painting walk alongside the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal towpath, she was approached by a, quote, black man in a light jacket,
Starting point is 01:18:12 dark slacks and a dark cap, who fired two point blank 38 caliber bullets, one into her back and one into her temple, in a manner consistent with a killer, quote, highly trained in the use of firearms. Originally, a man called Ray Crump was brought in as the suspect, and it went all the way to trial,
Starting point is 01:18:32 because he was wet and he was like in the area and his pants were pulled down, and some guy saw him, some guy saw a black guy trailing her the day before who was running some army guy, but he was eventually acquitted since he didn't really match the description the person witnesses saw.
Starting point is 01:18:49 He was like 50 pounds heavier or something than those people, and later in a book, his attorney revealed far after the fact that he was actually having sex with someone just before the murder, and there was a very well-established alibi for that, but that the woman that he was with wouldn't testify because you don't wanna get in trouble with her husband,
Starting point is 01:19:05 pretty crazy. This murder is a whole situation. There are multiple books just about this murder, and there's way more to get into here, including that that guy who was jogging and who saw who he said was Crump. He had the same name as the operational code name that was supposedly used by the real assassin here,
Starting point is 01:19:25 William L. Mitchell. Apparently that might've been the real assassin was that guy jogging, but here's a quote from one of these books about this case called Mary's Mosaic by Peter Janney for Jesse to read. I'm gonna drop that into the Zoom chat here for you. Former killers who had been in the cleaning business
Starting point is 01:19:43 for the CIA have openly talked about it and revealed that it was done exactly how it looks like it was done, that they had one of our cleaning men nail her down by the towpath while she was out for her daily jog. She was eliminated because she knew too much. Bam.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Less than a year after. Easy. Yeah, President's girlfriend moided. Next weird death is Sam Giancana, a heavy duty mobster who was literally the actual boss of the Chicago outfit from 1957 to 1966, tippy tippy top, and whose house and activities were under 24 hour FBI surveillance to the point that he was known to tease them and give them shit on the golf course
Starting point is 01:20:24 as they followed him around. He was so used to having this surveillance on him at all times. Some sources name him as partially responsible for Kennedy's victory in the 1960 presidential election. And during a CIA plot to assassinate Fidel Castro, he was recruited along with a few other mobsters like Santo Traficante, Junior, and Carlos Marchello
Starting point is 01:20:43 into an op that may have lasted all the way up to and included the Kennedy assassination itself. We know for sure that this op was real. We do not know that it went all the way up to the Kennedy assassination, but he was hired by the CIA for real. Anyway, he served one year in prison in 1965 after being convicted of contempt of court.
Starting point is 01:21:02 Then he ran off to Cuenavaca, Mexico for eight years before being departed back to Oak Park, Illinois, where he was eventually murdered on June 19th, 1975. And here's a quote from Mathis Teread from JFK, The Dead Witnesses by Craig Roberts and John Armstrong. It's gonna give you a little... They're gonna say this is a quote from dead JFK,
Starting point is 01:21:22 and I was like, how do you do that? He's like, I like Greenstone. So all right, that night, while cooking in the kitchen of a Chicago home, which was described by many as a fortress or bunker, Giancana came under the gun. According to both his daughter and the police, who stated that Giancana was invulnerable in his own home
Starting point is 01:21:45 due to the security systems and impregnability of the structure, only someone who knew or trusted could have gotten to him. Giancana would have let them in, gone back to cooking, and then been surprised when the assailant or assailants pulled a .22 pistol. He was shot once in the back of the head and a few more times through the chin
Starting point is 01:22:04 while he was cooking in the basement. And nobody knows who did it, but it is true that at the time he was scheduled to testify before a Senate committee specifically looking into mafia involvement in a failed CIA plot to assassinate Castro, which like I said, could have possibly revealed connections to part of the Kennedy situation
Starting point is 01:22:20 that certain government agencies didn't want becoming public knowledge. Check out this timeline from the book about this murder, tell me what you think. June 19th, 1975, members of the Senate's church committee arrive in Chicago for the express purpose of escorting Sam Giancana to Washington for his appearance before the committee.
Starting point is 01:22:38 At 9 p.m. that night, two quote, law enforcement officers end quote, are observed outside Sam Giancana's home by his neighbors in Oak Park, a wealthy suburb of Chicago. At 9 p.m. at 11, 15 p.m. that night, three surveillance cars reportedly leave the area of Sam Giancana's home.
Starting point is 01:22:57 15 minutes later at 11, 30 p.m. Sam Giancana is murdered inside his home. The next day, June 20th, 1975, the Chicago Tribune reports the murder of Sam Giancana and allegations are made that the murder was sanctioned by the CIA. But then the next day after that, June 21st, 1975, the Chicago Tribune reports
Starting point is 01:23:18 that Giancana's house was under surveillance on the night that he was killed, even though we know that they left 15 minutes before he was murdered. And if that's not enough, less than two months later, the body of another Chicago mobster set to testify before the same committee,
Starting point is 01:23:32 John Handsome Johnny Roselli, was found chopped up and floating in an oil drum in Dumbfoundling Bay near Miami, Florida, like in August of that year. So just a few months later. And if that's not a weird guess- It's a fortunate way to go. Yeah, wow.
Starting point is 01:23:48 If that's not a weird death, I don't know what is. Now let's move on to 46 through 48, the end, parentheses of episode one. There's not much left I want to share from this book. But before I do, I just want to point out that there is a lot more in this book that I haven't covered. But again, it all centers around a theory
Starting point is 01:24:05 that I don't really subscribe to. The book is not very well researched, or at least very well cited. But again, it all centers around a theory, CIA, FBI, mafia, Cuba kind of theory. So I'd rather approach some of the stuff in those last 15 reasons that Governor Ventura gives from other angles.
Starting point is 01:24:26 So if you- Out of curiosity, in future episodes, are we going to cover mob or mafia angles? Yeah, I just don't want to do it following Governor Jesse Ventura. No, no, no, I'm just curious. Cause it's another wildly interesting side of things. I've never watched Vlad or something on YouTube
Starting point is 01:24:43 where he does interviews with like thigh profile. I've seen so much shit. I've been going deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. Continue, sorry. I'm going to get into that stuff, but I just, I don't want to do it through this way
Starting point is 01:24:55 because he kind of fudges stuff sometimes. And I've been- No, for sure, for sure. I've been having to like unfudge it as I go, yeah. If you want to keep going down Jesse Ventura's rabbit hole, grab the book yourself, it's easy to get, it doesn't cost very much. But before we go, the last few things
Starting point is 01:25:10 I would categorize as big revelations with no real conclusions. In June of 1997, 33 years after the Warren commission, 40,000 pages of records belonging to the commission's chief counsel, J. Lee Rankin, were made public by the assassination record review board and it revealed a bombshell piece of info involving yet another American president,
Starting point is 01:25:33 eventual American president. Here's an abridged version of that article for Jesse to read. It's from the Associated Press. Let me give you a little quotey boy. Let me see if I can get it in here. Nope, it's going in Twitter. Okay. 33 years ago, Gerald R. Ford took pen and hand
Starting point is 01:25:53 and changed to ever so slightly the Warren commission's key sentence on the place where the bullet entered John F. Kennedy's body when he was killed in Dallas. The effect of Ford's change was to strengthen the commission's conclusion that a single bullet passed through Kennedy and severely wounded Texas governor John Connolly,
Starting point is 01:26:10 a crucial element in its findings that Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman. This is the most significant lie in the whole Warren commission report, said Robert D. Morningstar, a computer system specialist in New York City who said he has studied the assassination, the assassination, the assassination,
Starting point is 01:26:29 the assassination since it occurred and written an internet book about it. The effect of Ford's editing, Morningstar said, was to suggest that a bullet struck Kennedy in the neck, raising the wound two or three inches without that alteration. They could never have hoodwinked the public
Starting point is 01:26:48 as to the true number of assassins. If the bullet had hit Kennedy in the back, it could not have struck Connolly in the way the commission said it did. He said, here's the thing. Look, I don't want to have to say this, but I'm going to say it. Anyone can get a book published these days.
Starting point is 01:27:03 And if you've got to be an internet published person, this is a 90s article. You've got to be internet published. Internet published in the 90s. None of what you said is true. It was theangelfire.com slash web slash HTML. Yeah, geocity slash Kennedy assassination. No, this is about an article from the Associated Press.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Like this is a fact checked article, right? Fair, fair. It is AP. It is the AP. But yeah, so that's the thing. That's one big thing I think is worth knowing. Just like, wow, he literally just moved it. And when they asked him about it,
Starting point is 01:27:32 he was like, I was just doing it for clarity. I wasn't trying to cover up anything. I just did it for clarity. So he really did do it. He really admitted that he did it. You know what I mean? Gerald Ford. Another thing that I think is worth knowing about
Starting point is 01:27:45 is a technique for getting the answer that you want from somebody that you're interviewing. And it's called say now, prove later. Where the idea is asking someone a question about something that will be proved later really limits what they can actually say as an answer to that question. They can basically just say, you just ask somebody,
Starting point is 01:28:03 if this is true, is this true? And you're like, what? Yes. You know what I mean? So I'm gonna have Mathis read you guys a quote from Arlen Specter, the guy who invented the magic bullet theory. The guy who like brought that out
Starting point is 01:28:22 in the Warren Commission. Mathis, you're gonna read a line of questioning that this guy did. And you tell me if this is a chill way to ask a question. All right, I'm ready. He's going in Twitter. Okay, Twitter. This is just one question, by the way.
Starting point is 01:28:38 This is one question. All right, it's loading. Here we go. Permit me to add some fact, which I shall ask you to assume as being true for purposes of having you expressed an opinion. First of all, assume that the president was struck by a 6.5 millimeter copper jacketed bullet
Starting point is 01:28:55 from a rifle having a muzzle velocity of approximately 2,000 feet per second at the time when the president was approximately 160 to 200 feet from the weapon, with the president being struck from the rear at the downward angle of approximately 45 degrees, being struck in the upper right posterior thorax, just above the upper border of the scapula,
Starting point is 01:29:14 14 centimeters from the tip of the right acrimim process and 14 centimeters below the tip of the right mastoid process. That was one sentence, everybody. Jesus Christ. Assume that. Assume that. And now, can I just immediately tell you,
Starting point is 01:29:27 this is how Ben Shapiro talks. This is literally Ben Shapiro's way of answering questions or asking questions. Assume further that the missile passed through the body of the president, striking no bones, traversing the neck and sliding between the muscle and the posterior aspect of the president's body through a fascia channel without violating the pleural cavity,
Starting point is 01:29:46 but bruising only the apex of the right pleural cavity and bruising the most apical portion of the right lung, then causing a hematoma to the right of the larynx, which you have described, and creating a jagged wound in the trachea, then exiting precisely at the point where you observe the puncture wound to exist. Now, based on those facts,
Starting point is 01:30:07 was the appearance of the wound in your opinion consistent with being an exit wound? What an asshole. Isn't that insane? What a piece of garbage. He's like... Assume this, assume that, this is all fact, then this would be true, right?
Starting point is 01:30:20 He's like, assume my entire theory is true. Is it true? Like, it's so, I hate people who talk like, there's no logic there, but you confuse somebody immediately by throwing that much out there. And if you're constantly saying, assume, assume, assume, then obviously what you're trying to get to at the end
Starting point is 01:30:37 is me to say, yes. Yeah. And that's pretty much a thematic theme for this entire JFK investigation is like that feeling, fighting against that feeling. And finally, I have one last thing. I'm going to read myself. But before I do,
Starting point is 01:30:55 just want to say thanks to everybody for sticking with me to Luminati rules and that I promise I'll make good on every last promise I've made real soon. Also, I'm going to be starting a big post with every link, clip and image I still have for every Luminati script I've ever written. And I'm going to update it from now on
Starting point is 01:31:12 for every new episode that I make as well, just links and images and pictures. Look for it soon on r slash Luminati pod. It's not the Patreon. Yeah, that's the official slogan for that. Anyway, this next quote is not going to be on that post. Here we go. Yeah, I'm ready.
Starting point is 01:31:30 A sinister dark presence. God damn you. God damn you. A bell that rings by itself. A priceless ancient jewel protected by a terrible curse. This is the true story of a paranormal investigation that went horribly wrong. It is March, 1982.
Starting point is 01:31:52 As the last snows of winterfall, a seance is held at the para-search headquarters. The psychics involved experience a remarkable vision. Of a red gemstone, the priceless eye of fire taken from the hills of King Arthur's legendary sword. Excalibur. But at the height of the meeting, a strange present unexpectedly appears
Starting point is 01:32:17 in a corner of the darkened room, bringing a sudden and terrifying end to the evening. Now the investigation is plagued by the evil dark figure. To find the stone, they must solve the riddle of the old bell in the ruined abbey. But in the attempt, they release a terrible curse which protects the ancient red jewel. So the hunters become the hunted.
Starting point is 01:32:37 Their search becomes a matter of life or death as the desperate bid to find the stone soars to a horrifying climax coming soon. They have to find the opposite, the green stone to protect themselves from the red stone. I don't know, man, this is crazy. There's a red stone. Are you in control next week?
Starting point is 01:32:55 There's a red stone, I'm done. I'm done, JFK episode one, done. Whatever is coming. So, in my control next week then. Yeah, whatever is coming next. You know what, no. I'm gonna take over. All right, Jesse episode next week.
Starting point is 01:33:08 Tired is nonsense. I was just gonna talk about another murder. No, no, no, no, I'm tired of this. I'll handle it. I'll handle it. All right, next week, a Jesse episode, everybody. And what a first opening volley of the JFK series to continue on in 2022 as we get further along.
Starting point is 01:33:28 I'm excited to see where it goes. Team Greenstone, Team Redstone, who's in it? Let us know. I'm gonna go, I gotta go with OG Green. I gotta stick with Team Green. I'm going to Team Greenstone. Calling it now. Jesse, what about you?
Starting point is 01:33:40 I mean, Team Greenstone, always, always. Excellent. Excellent. We will see Mike over, Roppler is on this show one more time at some point. I'm gonna go for the hat trick. I'll see you guys next time. All right, goodbye, everybody.
Starting point is 01:33:52 Well, look at patreon.com. We're gonna go do a mini-show. Bye. Me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom, so I stepped back inside. And after a few moments, I hear my wife go,
Starting point is 01:34:05 holy shit, get out here. So I quickly dash back outside. She's looking up at the sky in the fall. I look up too, and there's a perfect line of dozen lights traveling across the sky. ["The Plunge On The World's Fastest Roller Coaster"] Mr. World here, about to take the plunge on the world's fastest roller coaster.
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