Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 162 - The Mysterious Smedley Butler

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

A New Histories Mysteries! Patreon - http://www.patreon.com/chilluminatipod BUY OUR MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode Talkspace - ht...tp://www.talkspace.com Promo Code - chill HelloFresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chill16 Promo Code - chill16 SOURCES: https://www.arcadiapublishing.com/Navigation/Community/Arcadia-and-THP-Blog/September-2018/Smedley-Butler-and-the-1930s-Plot-to-Overthrow-the https://www.npr.org/2012/02/12/145472726/when-the-bankers-plotted-to-overthrow-fdr https://explorethearchive.com/business-plot https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/butler1.html https://archive.org/stream/BeforeBarackObama-WallStreetsFirstAttempAtAWhiteHouseCoup/PlotToOverthrowTheUnitedStates-Mccormack-dicksteinCommittee_djvu.txt https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/01/13/fdr-roosevelt-coup-business-plot/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft End song - POWER FAILURE - https://soundcloud.com/powerfailure Video - http://www.twitter.com/digitalmuppet

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Starting point is 00:00:59 and today I'm here with the comedy duo Buster Keaton and his director. Buster Keaton is the director? They go perfect. I don't want to be the director. Buster Keaton and Buster Keaton are the director. I don't want to be the director. Two facets of the same man.
Starting point is 00:01:17 That's what I'm saying. You know what? That works. That works surprisingly well. I like that very much. You've got me all thrown off today. No one can see it, but we're recording differently today, and I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:01:27 Alex has not told us why. He won't tell us why. He wouldn't have a whole new set up. Because it's supposed to be a Jesse episode today, so I have no idea. I don't know what you're talking about, but if you're hanging around or you're available to join us on patreon.com slash Chiluminati
Starting point is 00:01:44 pod later, if you want to hang out with us later, you should to find out the answer to this strange don't like history. I'm not a fan. Yeah, today is, oh, that's true. Today is minisode number 100 over on Patreon, and that's like 40 ahead of where the public is right now. I'm not going to confirm nor deny what's going on,
Starting point is 00:02:07 but if you go to patreon.com slash Chiluminati pod. If you want to go to patreon.com slash Chiluminati pod and see what this is all about. A very special minisode 100, apparently. You will find out. It's going to be a normal minisode. I don't know what you're talking about. All right.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Well, that's a great chill, but before we go, I've had this in my head for two weeks. I needed to get it out before I forget. There's a movie I've seen that I can't think of the name of. And I want to know if the two of you know what I'm talking about because I couldn't find it online. I saw it when I was a kid. So and I only remember something very specific.
Starting point is 00:02:39 It must have been like this child like these dinosaurs, right? And then it must have been like a kid's movie in some way. So the story is about these two kids and their dad is getting married to a new woman, like New Step mom. I don't know what happened to the original mom. OK, find out the mom is like an alien that eats people. And they they like have to confront her at the end of the movie in a cave.
Starting point is 00:03:02 And they like high pitched music makes her turn back into an alien form. And she's like, got the dad in a cocoon in the back. And they're like there to save the dad. They play like a really high pitched noise. And that's like all I can remember from the movie. This is what I remember that scene. I think so. I think it was a kid's movie, but it was like really horrific.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Like that scared the shit out of me as a kid. So it sounds like the type of movie that the title is like a sentence. You know what I mean? Maybe this was in the 90s. And so it was a 90s movie for sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't know. I don't know. My mother's like my mother, the alien or some shit like that alien. Mars needs mom's violin is like the only thing I can think of.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Mars needs moms. Mars needs moms is is a step monster. Oh, it might be step monster. So about my stepmother is an alien. You might be the only person to have brought this up, but I just discovered someone on our slash tip of the tongue. And they said 90s movie Girls Mom died. And then she gets an evil, evil alien step mom that's vulnerable to violin.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Question mark. Yes. Yes. That's it. That's exactly everyone says step monster is the name of that movie. Yeah. All right. I guys, I've seen step monsters from 1993. Alan Thicke is in it, apparently. That's so crazy because the movie that I found is literally called My Stepmother is an alien and it has Dan Aykroyd and it has Kim Basinger and John Lovitz and young baby.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Allison Hannigan, like don't think Seth Green. What the hell is this movie? It's from 1988 Juliette Lewis, Harry Shearer, all in the same movie. Whatever. No, my mom is a step monster. Alan Thicke, George James, Amy Dolan's Corey Feldman. Oh, it's a Corey Feldman. I can't believe my wife was a step monster. Oh, my God. Oh, I'm so glad we got.
Starting point is 00:05:03 I'm so glad I held out until we recorded the episode for that. Have you boys seen that movie? No, no, I can't. I can't say that I have. I have I've got a little bit more film knowledge than you do now. A little bit more film knowledge I disagree with. Did that even see a theatrical release? No, I definitely saw it on TV. No way.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Like, I don't know, I saw it on TV. We really game. This is like this is like if I ate a delicious, nutritious breakfast with all the nutrients and you ate like a chicken nugget that was in the gutter and you were like, I have a little bit more knowledge about food than you do. I mean, would I be wrong, though? I mean, no.
Starting point is 00:05:43 But like that's like what a dog knows. Yeah, yeah, that's what a dog knows. Oh, man, maybe we'll watch that. Oh, man, I mean, we'll watch that on a rotten popcorn. That's perfect, actually. I've eaten chicken nugget in a gutter of movies. Let's go. Yeah. We got to do that.
Starting point is 00:06:03 We got to do that this month still. Done. Sold. We're watching that in, I believe, a few days. That's not going to start being more proactive about this, Jesse. Yeah, I got to be more proactive about the movie. I let him have his whims and then we end up watching Step Monster. Let me lead, boys, but not today. Today is a Jesse episode. Another another after the JFK insanity.
Starting point is 00:06:31 We were supposed to record last week. Jesse left his home. I think you mean. I think you mean JFK sanity finally. I mean, there's a lot of good conversations happening every four weeks. We put out a mini episode, so it was natural to put out a mini episode last week. And so it is not my fault at all, really. No, no, we were so that is that was the original plan.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Every four weeks. I mean, it's a compilation. We do it like every two months. Mathis threw me under and I will under the bus. OK, if you think about it, if you think about it, the thing that I'm not telling us about is going to actually kind of give people two episodes this week. I know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I still don't know. Main either. I'm going to backpedal from it. Don't worry about it. I really should. Illuminati pod. The place where dogs are more excited for whatever nonsense you're doing. That's unfair. You shouldn't be. Maybe you should be. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:07:22 I think yours is probably a little bit more like it'll stand up to more screaming academic analysis. Yeah, yeah, probably, probably. Well, Jesse, I am excited to see where you're about to bring us before. You know, you're kind of like the happy pill of this insane downward spiral that we're always on. Well, what are you talking? This is the happy view of podcasts.
Starting point is 00:07:46 I'm having a great time. Get ready then. Almost fun. All right, good for something happy and, you know, not really happy, but something totally true. So this year so far, Mathis has been on a true crime, true crime kick. And Alex has been telling us about one of the most famous conspiracies from around the world. So today I wanted to take the energy of you to
Starting point is 00:08:15 and bottle it up and then send it back out to the audience and hit the story slash Illuminati for $30. You can buy our Mojo podcast or this sauce, bathing water, podcasting, bathing water coming soon. I want to hit you guys with a story that I'm not sure the audience knows about, and I'm curious if the two of you know about it. But it is right in the wheelhouse of our year so far. It's got conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:08:44 It's got true crime. And more importantly, it has a great cover up. And so come back with me if you will. When I set the stage for this part, this part of the beginning, it is 100 percent simplified. But that's because we just need to get through it. So if there are people listening and they're like, Jesse, there's more to it than that. Cool.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Drop your knowledge on the reddit, like the kingdom of the kingdom of Mesopotamia that I learned about in high school. Right. Yeah, exactly. Drop all of your knowledge until the other listeners on the reddit. And you know, people can dig deeper from there. That's why it exists. If you must say what you have to say. All right. So I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone here
Starting point is 00:09:27 that World War One was a bad time. Millions died. More importantly, millions more. Yeah, well, millions more were left damaged by the fighting both physically and mentally. Shell shock, as it was coined by the soldiers at the time, left them with lifelong symptoms, including fatigue, tremors, confusion, nightmare, impaired sight and hearing.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Doctors at the time didn't even know what to do with it. They were just like, we don't know how to fix this. If you want to have a bad good time, go on to YouTube and watch like really early, early like recordings of like doctors with PTSD patients who they just shell shock at the time and just watch them torture them. It's like, let's see what happens when we do this thing. And the guy just like starts having a fit on the chair. And he's like, this is interesting.
Starting point is 00:10:15 It was just another symptom of the ever changing face of war. World War One had trenches and gases and mass death by machine gun. It's like a hat with like one little point on the top in the middle, right on top or like the gas mask guys with like the cool gas. Like some of those gas masks outfits are kind of awesome looking. Scares. One considered the first like non-classical war we're moving to, you know, away from horses and lines of fire of muskets.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Is it World War One, the first one that's like kind of modernized and that way as being horses. Obviously, but put an end to old warfare. Yeah, just like how guns changed warfare. The idea of World War One with the trenches, like the reason why they had to build trenches was because machine guns would mow down thousands of soldiers in a second. And so they had to be beneath surface level to not get hit by machine guns.
Starting point is 00:11:09 You know, it was the last great cavalry charges and things were World War One where they were like, we can do it and they'd all be murdered. And it was like, well, I should never do that again. Yeah, it was that kind of stuff. Yeah. And it was also, you know, it's just off topic really quick. It is a great example of just like the way war changes and how even example from today, when you hear about guys coming home from modern wars, more and more people are surviving, but it just means that
Starting point is 00:11:38 they're just more and more wounded to deal with, right? And more and more people to look after. And so, you know, it's kind of on us to do that. And a lot of people is I'm going to bring it back. A lot of people felt the exact same way in the 1920s. Vets came home from war and after serving the country overseas, people thought, hey, these people are due some sort of payment for their services. And the idea of giving troops a bonus is something that's come from the days
Starting point is 00:12:02 of like George Washington, when soldiers would come home from a long campaign and they would get a little something as a thank you. A little wooden tooth from the president would have sent me on it. I mean, Washington even gave people just pins like you would collect pins from the campaigns and you know, just give people a little something and then give them some money as a thank you was literally the least we could do. And it sort of became like a tradition. And so the US government, after World War One,
Starting point is 00:12:29 came up with something called the World War Adjusted Compensation Act, which is basically meant to like give people who fought in World War One something they deserved because, you know, holy shit, it was World War One. Yeah, it might be a good idea. Their payout. This is I always think this is so interesting. Their payout was five hundred bucks. If you served in the states and up to six hundred twenty five, if you serve overseas, so that's something like between eight thousand
Starting point is 00:12:54 and ten thousand dollars by today's standards, that's what you would have gotten. So much money. Yeah, it's not nothing. That's for sure. That's like ten times as much as like the covid stipends. Like that's yeah, so much money. But they did again serve for like three years of utter hell. So, you know, they were like we and the thing is, is this is an adjustment act just for some clarity because I know this is one of those things I'm skipping over and people will be like, but Jesse, during World War One,
Starting point is 00:13:21 the reason that they could like fund a bunch of things and what they're going to pay soldiers is they were going to cover them. They were going to cover their insurance and they were going to cover all these different things. So they they were they were told the public we're going to offset the cost of this war and paying these soldiers by like taking care of them and all these other things for them. And the soldiers came home and they were like,
Starting point is 00:13:38 we really should give them some more money. We boy, we screwed this one up. Yeah, that was a horrible fucking time. That was pretty bad. So they were like, we're going to give them some of this back then. The government would have been like if anybody's actually saw that shit. Yeah, it was not like a soldier. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Yeah, it was. It was just the assassination of JFK on camera, fucked up the whole country. Imagine if the 20s they saw what World War One was doing on a daily basis, right? There wouldn't have been a there wouldn't have been a what it would have ended after the first like eight hundred like thousand dudes die. They were like, no, no, we're over this is horrible. Imagine a blanket of stars stretching on for miles over
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Starting point is 00:15:29 There was like, there's no money to do this, et cetera. It's a typical politics. Nothing changes. So for a while, nothing really happened and promises were made. Payouts would be coming and they said, just chill. They're coming. Don't worry about it. And this, of course, brings us to a few years down the road when Herbert Hoover is in charge of the country
Starting point is 00:15:51 and at the end of the 1920s and into the early 30s. And Hoover, I mean, like he wasn't a great president and he most certainly was not given the greatest of times to be president. The world goes to shit in 1929 and the Great Depression. It's America. It is bad news. And Hoover takes the blame and his government completely fails to provide any relief to the people. We're talking dust bowl.
Starting point is 00:16:14 We're talking every single grapes of wrath kind of thing you can think of. This is the time and things like Hooverville's right, the shanty towns that would pop up around the country during the Great Depression. Central Park was literally a Hooverville at one point. It was a crazy housing crisis. Employment was tanking. Yet the richest people in America were getting richer.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Millions like millionaires of the time, which would be billionaires by today's standards. They were just raking in the cash. And yeah, I sounds crazy familiar. Weird. I don't know. In the 20s, we would never do something like that nowadays. Why would you need people suffering? Poor, sick during the worst times of the year, just so if you could get richer. It's hard to believe that the government would allow something like that,
Starting point is 00:17:01 considering how famous we are for paying our debts. Oh, so people were pissed, as I'm sure any descriptions or books or any first person resources at the time. I mean, like people were mad and on. I don't know the exact date. July of 1932, we'll say the bonus army marched on Washington. Forty three thousand strong made up of veterans and their families that have fallen on hard times who were told years ago
Starting point is 00:17:40 that the government was going to give them 500 to 600 bucks, which would change their lives right now. They wanted that money. They were like, we were promised it. You said you're going to give it to us. You didn't give it to us. Now is the time to give it to us because we are in the streets. And so they marched on Washington.
Starting point is 00:17:58 They set up a camp on Pennsylvania Avenue, which if you don't know, that's like right by the White House on the porch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They literally were prepared for the long haul. They used all of their training in the army to build basically a small town. They had sanitation, commissaries, they held parades and stuff. The police amazing worked with them to get them food so they could stay there in the long run.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Like everyone was like F the government. These guys suck our countries in shambles. This is imagine if the cops like helped out protesters nowadays. That'd be fucking wild. Yeah. And to the government, this was seen as an invasion of Washington, D.C. They were like, all right, we're not going to go to war with our people. This is crazy. They're veterans.
Starting point is 00:18:41 We got to take care of them. But Hoover was like MacArthur, like the Douglas MacArthur. Yes, that MacArthur of World War Two fame. He was like, MacArthur, take the second inventory, clear the city. And so, you know, I will say the same thing that would be. Yeah. And again, they don't have cameras. They don't have like instant internet.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Imagine you saw what it was like when Trump tried to clear protesters. And that was crazy. Imagine actual, the military actually coming and removing people from D.C. That's what this was. And there's a great story that I think sums up this moment where a guy who was on the side of the vets, who was there during the with the bonus army during this invasion, air quotes. His name was Joe Angelo, and he was a decorated war hero.
Starting point is 00:19:36 He was a man who literally saved Patton's life. Damn. And he went up to him because he saw him there. And he was like, my dude, stop what you're doing. Look at us. We are brothers. This is crazy. You're sick. The army on us and Patton just like dismissed the dude. And that was sort of the story of what it was at the time where it kind of fed into the idea that both sides of the, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:03 both sides, they were military, but one side had clearly forgotten his loyalties to each other and now like only served the government. And it just pissed more and more people off. And so the result was, yeah, the people were removed. But the incident was the last straw for America. And Hoover handedly lost the next election. Uh, so many people were pissed off that, you know, although Republicans were worried about Franklin Delano Roosevelt,
Starting point is 00:20:32 the Democrat who was running, many people like screw it. He's so much better than Hoover. Don't even care. FDR wins in a landslide in 1932. Just crushes Hoover. And one of these men who was a like staunch, proud Republican who stood with the men of the bonus army and yet still voted for FDR was incredibly popular military figure at the time, Major General Smedley Butler.
Starting point is 00:21:01 He was a Marine Smedley. I love the name. Smedley Major General Smedley Butler. He was a fucking monster, dude. I can't, he was a retired Marine and he was incredibly popular at the time in just pop culture. He was known and I'll get into it. All I'll say right now is after the election of FDR,
Starting point is 00:21:23 he took a hard left turn denouncing capitalism, going around saying he was mistaken and that for 30 years he had been nothing. This is a quote. He'd been nothing but a high class muscle man for bankers and big business. This guy sounds like my kind of guy. Yeah. Right. So just remember him.
Starting point is 00:21:40 He'll become a key figure in this story. So let's jump back really quick. Yeah, just remember him. We'll come back. We'll come back. Smedley Butler. Who could forget? Honestly, it's been a real question. Who could forget a name like catcher on Rob Zombie's monsters? Yeah, Smedley Butler. Smedley Butler.
Starting point is 00:21:59 But yeah, let's go back to FDR for a sec. So FDR was one of those guys who tried to be sort of man of the people. You know what I mean? Yeah. He wasn't perfect by any stretch by any stretch, but he did do a lot of good. Yeah. And he was the president. Yeah. He was hated by business elites. Just just if you want to get some good reading in,
Starting point is 00:22:25 go do your research on like what the people with money, what Wall Street thought of FDR, like they were like, this dude is pure evil. They got so worked up about him becoming president that between 1932 and when it was inaugurated in 1933, it was, you know, how I think we all have this sensation. You know what it was like between the 2020 election and 2021 inauguration day? It was like that in the country.
Starting point is 00:22:54 People were like, bro, I don't we may not have a country by the time this guy gets elected or actually put into office. It was crazy. It was a weird time to be around. But the country was that would have been like, yeah. Yeah, that kind of uncertainty amongst our leadership. It was it was it was a mess. America was a mess.
Starting point is 00:23:16 It was in a very bad spot. We were still in the Great Depression. And we were seeing countries outside of the U.S. come back from depression with a little help of something called a little bit of fascism. And yeah, yeah, yeah, it's almost like the Nazis came at all that. Yeah, it's crazy. And a lot of people in America were like, if Germany can do it,
Starting point is 00:23:39 certainly if we had a dictator of our own who calls all the shots and puts the country first and we do the things to like fix stuff for ourselves, surely we can pull ourselves out of the depression because these politicians are doing nothing for us. All they do is argue and they don't make any choices for us. I would only say that there was a very, very large, one of the largest in the world, maybe the largest. I'm not sure Nazi rally and Madison Square Garden in the 30s.
Starting point is 00:24:06 So like just put it out there. But then there was a lot to happen and we saw the true evils of fascism and these four never again would we let that happen. And it didn't never again. That's correct. And in the 1960s, racism ended forever. I saw it in my history and the bullet in the head of MLK ended at all. And so that doesn't mean washing my hands very rich.
Starting point is 00:24:31 We'll say like capitalist elites. They were not OK with FDR and they kept saying like, well, this man gets into office. Oh, well, mostly because FDR would say like, I'm going to do some major social changes. Like it's happening. And they were like, when this man gets into office, secret commie, secret socialist,
Starting point is 00:24:51 this guy's going to take down the entire country. And he, I mean, he did say that he had a hundred day plan and that the first hundred days he was going to get in and stir some shit up and he was going to change the country. And that whole idea of the 100 day plan is kind of based off of when everyone you hear people in government be like, what did President X do when his first 100 days? It's all compared to FDR.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Everything is comparison to like what this guy did. Dude came in, man. Dude came in swinging. And so FDR, just to give you an example, he summoned the Congress back for three months and in a hundred day special session, we got 15 bills passed immediately and then he went on to pass like 76 some crazy stuff.
Starting point is 00:25:38 But the bills he was passing were like the Emergency Banking Act, which helped the economy recover. The Civilian Conservation Corps, which is the whole point was to like get young men fit off the streets and help them get better employment opportunities while also rebuilding the country, which was the whole idea behind this whole thing is like, we're going to rebuild the country. People keep talking about, you know, the new deal, this idea that FDR had,
Starting point is 00:26:03 where he's like, it's a new deal with America. You see, we're going to change the world, that kind of thing. The Tennessee Valley Authority, you know, for electric power. The idea, I think a lot of this is kind of going a little weird into politics. But it's just the idea is like people see the loss of investing money into your own country, but it in the end turns around and provides jobs, which are ideally are good paying because they're being paid for by the government, which then gets put back into the economy,
Starting point is 00:26:27 as well as making our streets not have potholes and our bridges not fall apart and put Mothman out of the job. But luckily, thanks to William Randolph Hearst, everyone was informed and we use our educated brains to make smart decisions. The end. The end. It all works. This is crazy. All this keeps working out. And so, yeah, he did all these different programs and everything from
Starting point is 00:26:52 railroads to farm credits to the Glass-Steagall Act, which straight up separates commercial banking from investment banking, that kind of thing. Like the man was trying to prevent the same thing for there to be a problem. What an insane. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the big thing he did is part of the new deal that people were really hitting him for. And they were like, this these crazy ideas. This is a socialism one on one.
Starting point is 00:27:18 First off, Social Security is FDR, the Social Security System, and then taking the dollar off the gold standard. Wasn't was the other thing he did. And it's because of these things that this is where bankers and big business types, they they had it, right? Once once he was going after, you know, the gold standard. And once there was a social security system, like once all the stuff was was talked about, they they went after him hard.
Starting point is 00:27:51 They called him a secret commie. They said that he was the tool of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the West. Obviously, one senator said this. And I'm going to let Alex, you can read that. This despotism, this this is despotism. This is tyranny. This is the annihilation of liberty. The ordinary American is thus reduced to the status of a robot.
Starting point is 00:28:17 The president has not merely signed the death warrant of capitalism, but has ordained the mutilation of the Constitution. Unless the friends of liberty, regardless of party, ban themselves together to regain their last freedoms. Again, I don't know what freedoms were lost. I can't figure out what was lost here. But this was this was the moment that the whole country came together. And there was no more split in the government.
Starting point is 00:28:43 The end, the end. They listened to this advice. And now we get to the juice. Now we get to the real good part. That was all backstory. That was the that was the we got to get here because now we return to our retired general, Smedley Butler. When I said before that he was a popular figure, I meant the dude had
Starting point is 00:29:08 so many medals given to him, not just by America, but by the French as well. Teddy Roosevelt, FDR's cousin, the the previous president, Teddy Roosevelt, said Butler was the ideal American soldier. He had nicknames like the Fighting Hell Devil and the Fighting Quaker. Wow. Mm hmm. I like it. I like the fight. I don't know if I'd want to stick with the Fighting Quaker, particularly, but the Fighting Devil, the Hell Devil, the Fighting Devil.
Starting point is 00:29:36 He had other names as well. He was very, very famous and he was he was famous enough that during his life he had books written about him. Hollywood loved him. He was people just wanted to be all about this dude. He was basically the prototype metal of honor recipient. Like if you play the game metal of honor, you're probably playing as this dude at some point. Like he's that guy.
Starting point is 00:30:01 He's very, very famous for being just like one of the best soldiers ever. But did he have a sick mustache? Um, I mean, who didn't at the time? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Everyone had like a six dash, but like I was saying, since the Great Depression, and he saw kind of the truth of what his life had been. He spent years and years as a Marine helping America destroy democracies
Starting point is 00:30:28 around the world in order to prop up dictators who are more American friendly so they could protect American interests and investments. And most of those investments and interests were the rich capitalists who made a fortune while his veteran allies suffered. And he was like fake news. The America would never do that. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:48 He was pissed. He was pissed about that. We say it's fake. It's fake. That's how it happens. Yeah. But he was a major figure of the day. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Like he, like many major figures, he didn't put a spotlight on all of his beliefs. He just believed them and was very, very popular. And so, you know, he wouldn't, you know, he'd socialize and he'd do interviews, but he wasn't like out there causing trouble. Not until the bonus army rolled in and gave DC such a hard time. The bonus army is such a good name for them too. I know. And so the bonus army shows up and they cause, they cause some trouble.
Starting point is 00:31:26 And now he is once again put on the, the public spotlight in the, in the, you know, the stage of life and everyone is like, man, that guy, he's destined for great things that dude that he's going to be very important. So it'll come as no surprise to you at that point. He was sought out by all sorts, all types of people wanted to connect to this guy. And one person looking to do just that was a man named Gerald C. McGuire, a Navy vet who attempted numerous times to meet with him in 1933 and into 1934. And he just kept trying to reach out to Butler.
Starting point is 00:32:03 He just wanted a moment of his time. There's a story that McGuire showed up at a hotel Butler was staying at in New Jersey, I think at the time, and he just throws $18,000 in the bed like, Hey, let's have a chat sometime. Whoa. Yeah. Rudy Giuliani. I mean, what's going on here?
Starting point is 00:32:26 Well, get ready. He finally showed up and tied him up in August of 1934. The Butler would agree to meet in which I think is just dude held him off for a year and a half. He was like, I don't know. I don't know. Finally agrees to meet in August of 1934 in the back of like an abandoned cafe in a small hotel, I think in the back of the lobby.
Starting point is 00:32:52 So no one's going to find them or see them. And this is a guy who shows up to every convention desperately hoping to have your time, but I don't think at the end of that, I would get so annoyed. I take him to a private room in a hotel by myself. So maybe not. Maybe it's not the same anymore. Well, in this private space, McGuire recounted Butler with all of his recent trips to Europe.
Starting point is 00:33:15 He was like, I was just over there. I went to see how things are going on there, how Hitler and Mussolini. I know how they're able to stay in power. They have the soldiers on their side, the soldiers that are forefront of what's going on there. And just like y'all, when you were marching, you should be the forefront of our movement. And he was like, I'm sorry, what?
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Starting point is 00:34:31 Rev it up at Toyota.com. Toyota, let's go places. As he kept talking, he kept espousing all these great things that Hitler and Mussolini were doing. But sadly, that wouldn't suit America at all. He actually learned of a better way to handle America. And that would be doing something similar to what France had done. In France, there was a group called the Fiery Cross.
Starting point is 00:34:58 Obviously, it was French. I'm sure it was like Le Gros de Vary, whatever. Hell yeah. But it consisted of extremists and fascist elements. And they were mostly soldiers who had tried to storm the French legislature and an attempted insurrection. 15 people were killed. And in the aftermath, the prime minister was forced to resign and they got to
Starting point is 00:35:24 put in a politician that was more their speed. Sounds like a cool group of guys. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of like mirrors to modern life. It's weird. It's weird. I think my anxiety is getting triggered for some bizarre reason right now.
Starting point is 00:35:38 And that is when McGuire made his proposal to Butler. The military darling of America at the time, the guy everyone saw in the forefront of this bonus army, this dude that they were like, that guy's going to be important one day. McGuire said he wanted Butler to form, recruit and lead half a million veterans to March on Washington, DC, blending the French insurrection with the fascist March of Rome with Mussolini's forces taking over Rome. He wanted to mix the two tactics and the veterans of the U.S. would
Starting point is 00:36:22 finally have their day. Finally be respected. This was for them. I mean, that is insanely diabolical and very manipulative in a, in a Pond in the game. Intelligent way. Yeah. Like, man, that's like, that just, yeah, that just feels like something
Starting point is 00:36:42 a little finger would do. You know what I mean? Well, thank God for America because sometimes we got like some OG bad asses every once in a while. A guy comes around like, but they're like, thank God for this dude. So Butler, of course, is like, whoa, hold up. That's incredible. And veterans certainly should have their day.
Starting point is 00:37:05 But who is, who's funding this? Because surely no group of veterans who can't get 600 bucks from the government could pay for this endeavor. Who is going to provide the travel expenses? Who's going to get everyone together and train them? And where are we going to get the guns from? Why the penguin, of course. And boy, you know, if only, if only he knew then a month before this
Starting point is 00:37:29 meeting, like I was saying a one month before this meeting, Roosevelt did away with the gold standard. And this idea was one that through the monetary system out of whack and the country's like rich elites were like, if our money isn't based on gold, we can't get gold from people anymore. It's like that. It's like, we can't demand gold from people. And this was the last straw for the wealthy and powerful in America.
Starting point is 00:37:57 So an answer to Butler's question about who, who would be funding all this? McGuire took Butler to meet Robert Sterling Clark, the heir of the Singer sewing machine fortune. Boy, oh boy. Wow. He explained that he and some others made man. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:17 He explained that he and some others would like to form this army with a charismatic leader to take back the nation and return to the gold standard. And if he saw fit at the end, they would like to have Butler become sort of the face and lead this group, but also when they take over, be their representative, the one who controls the White House, essentially. And then they would kind of like, you know, run things in the background, but he would be the face of this new government.
Starting point is 00:38:52 And so Butler was like, okay, tell me more. And Sterling Clark said, you know, he's worth $30 million, but he told Butler, and this is a quote that actually, you don't need to read this, but actually, yes, you do. I'm going to make Mathis read this just because I think it's funny and I wanted to do a voice. So Clark said to Butler, I'm worth $30 million, but I am willing to spend half of the 30 million to save the other half.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Right. So he was. Wow. He was so angry. He would be like, I'd waste half my fortune just to keep $15 million. I wish we could get billionaires of today literally to do even this. Yeah. This is illegal and horrible, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:39:51 They're at least spending their money on citizens in a weird way. Well, I mean, let's keep going. You know what? Let's just keep going. So it turns out it was he who paid for McGuire's trips abroad. It was he who helped McGuire learn about Hitler and Mussolini's work and how, you know, maybe the country could learn a thing or two from them. I mean, history, Jesse, you know this.
Starting point is 00:40:19 I mean, even when we were in the thick of World War II, World War II only lasted as long because the corporations were giving money to both sides for it. Like American corporations, General Electric, et cetera. We're also giving money to the other side as well. We didn't join the war until we were attacked. Yeah. We were just funding both sides. And it's only when we got attacked that that pulled us into the war because now
Starting point is 00:40:44 we couldn't personal. We were just like the Japanese attacked us. We're really mad now. Yeah. So having this point is having corporations, you know, basically kind of controlling how shit goes since the 20s. Not super surprising. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:59 And well, he went on to say like, I love how Mussolini treats businesses in Italy. We should emulate that here. And what's great is that butlers just sitting there like, and tell me more. And he's like, you know what I'm saying is we have me and my friends. We have already put in 3 million into this project. And if needed, we could do 300 million, dude, whatever you need. I have a dream that an army 500,000 strong throws Roosevelt out of office. That's what I want.
Starting point is 00:41:33 That is my dream in life. And he said soon they would make an announcement about this league of businessmen that would try to tackle FDR's reckless reforms. Justice League, if you will. I just had this image of like just third party comic, the League of Businessmen. And it's just meanwhile at the League of Businessmen. Their whole plan was something that people have been doing for years. Literally.
Starting point is 00:42:04 We're just like, okay, we're going to make this league. We're going to put all of our money together. And while you're prepping that army, we're going to build up the tension by planting stories about FDR's ill health, his extramarital affairs, all of his secrets. We're going to just put them out there and we're going to drag this man. So he's losing power and support while you're building power and support. And then we hit them. And that was their plan.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Well, I'm going to go. It didn't go well clearly. Well, you're probably asking who would be behind this plan, Jesse. Surely we know the singer-song machine guy was involved, but who else? Who else would be involved in this wacky plan to take over the government? It'd be hilarious if it was actually the president himself trying to fish people out. Get ready for this. It is so awful.
Starting point is 00:42:52 It's almost hilarious. Oh no. JP Morgan, Jr. of the infamous banking firm JP Morgan, the CEO of General Motors, the CEO of General Foods, the CEO of Birds Eye, like the vegetable people. I gotta know how to pronounce this again. Irine DuPont, the DuPont family that makes Kevlar and Styrofoam, that DuPont company. And then crazily enough, they're go. This is absolutely true and it is so denied, but I don't give a damn because it was in
Starting point is 00:43:24 a BBC investigation in 2007, they proved this and I will believe this till I die. They're go between, between the Nazi regime and these business partners was Prescott Bush, the father of George H.W. Bush. What are you talking about? Of course he was. Do we, like one day when we talk, because we'll do more like deep government stuff, MKUltra, CIA, all that shit, H.W. Bush was in charge of some of the most heinous, horrible, authoritarian decisions that were made before he was even president.
Starting point is 00:44:02 The Bush family is so entrenched in some of the most evil shit. The fact that George W. Bush right now has this, like this, he's a herky, dirty, dumb man who cared about humanity and he has like this new coat of paint put on him. He's fucking wrong. He too was just as bad. Oh man. Yeah, of course it was Bush. Of course it was Bush.
Starting point is 00:44:24 I love that. I got you. Exactly. I was like, this is going to make everyone mad. Oh, I cannot believe that that is not something anyone talks about. Wait until the Bush is our friend. John F. Kennedy some more. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Exactly. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Like, yeah. Bush is, he's, man, the Bushes are in all the, they were involved in on like some low-level in MKUltra and all that. Like, I hate them continue.
Starting point is 00:44:53 So, you know, much like you guys butler after hearing all of this just was like, I need some time to think about this and decide this is really big. This is, this could change the entire world. And so after that, I think I know the story now that you said that after meeting Clark, the singer guy, he goes to meet a friend, Paul French, who works at a paper in Philadelphia and he's like, help me dig this truth. Like, I need someone else to verify that I'm not a crazy person. Will you go talk to these dudes and just like pretend you're a friend.
Starting point is 00:45:26 So faking anti-Rosevelt sympathies, French goes and gets a meeting with McGuire, who then like, I think takes Clark and basically they admit that like they're being sponsored by all these like basic Nazi sympathizers that their weapons are going to come from the Remington Arms manufacturers that the, in fact, French quotes McGuire and I will have Mathis be McGuire. Yeah, yeah. Here's the, yeah. All right, quote.
Starting point is 00:46:01 We need a fascist government in this country to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do one of the soldiers and smithly butlers the ideal leader. He could organize half a million men overnight. Now, just replace communists with socialists and whoa, it's like we're in the present day, baby. We need a strong man who's going to speak his mind and put his foot down on them socialists.
Starting point is 00:46:28 And then we go, did you guys just say fascists? And they go, no. No. No, not at all. And then we go, can you define what? Can you define socialism for me? And they go, I don't know. No.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Venezuela. And then that's it. There's no R. Yeah. Yeah. He had his witness. It was so easy. They were so upfront about it. They were like, oh, you're on our side, you know, smithly.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Here's the plan. And Butler realized he wasn't mishearing. He wasn't misinterpreting. So in their next meeting, when McGuire approached Butler, this is the scene. And again, math is you can be McGuire and Alex can be Butler. I love this. This is my favorite series of quotes. Period.
Starting point is 00:47:08 Great. Uh. Now about this super organization, would you be interested in heading it? I am interested in it, but I do not know about heading it. I am very greatly interested in it because you know, Jerry, my interest is my one hobby is maintaining a democracy, Jerry. If you get these 500,000 soldiers advocating anything smelling of fascism, I'm going to get 500,000 more and lick the hell out of you, Jerry.
Starting point is 00:47:37 We're going to have a real war right at home. We're going to have a war at home, Jerry. I love that. That his comeback to this dude is like, if you find 500,000 Nazis, I'll find 500,000 guys to kick your ass. And I'm like, my man. That's awesome. I love that.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Dude, this guy, Smedley Butler. I like the cut of his jib. Yeah. Yeah. So he's like businessmen. These guys who thought they were smarter than everyone else made the mistake of approaching the wrong disillusioned soldier. He wasn't upset at the government.
Starting point is 00:48:09 He was upset with people like them. These like rich people. Yeah. Yeah. His big shot hot shot business dudes, the men he had spent and he admits to this, the many had spent years of his life gallivanting around the world overthrowing governments for fighting wars for watching all of his soldiers come home and be tossed aside. Like these were the people that were the problem and he was tired of it.
Starting point is 00:48:31 And so he had a friend in his corner who was a witness. And so he did the only thing he thought was right. And he went to the feds. And so they said that in November of 1934, they would bring his testimony and that of French before Congress. And so newspapers were pumping out things like 300, 300 million bid for fascist army bad. And of course, it was quickly purped by other papers as money starting to get involved.
Starting point is 00:48:58 The New York Times wrote this for you, Alex. Details are lacking to lend verse a millitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative. The whole story sounds like a gigantic hoax. It does not merit serious discussion. Jerry. Banker Grayson MP Murphy, who was implicated in the plot and was McGuire's boss said the following. And this is for math.
Starting point is 00:49:25 We have to be teaching history, not this comic book version of heroic America, man. We need to teach kids the truth. No. It's a damn lie. I wasn't able to stop laughing at the thought I a prominent citizen and veteran of the Spanish American war would attempt such treason. And then shortly before the hearings, a group called the American Liberty League, very similar to that big like in the Legion of Businessmen, the American Liberty League formed to a bunch
Starting point is 00:49:53 of dudes sucking each other off. The leaders of this Liberty League were captains of industry and others who opposed FDR trying to foment. And what they said is it sounds familiar. He was trying to foment class warfare in the middle of a great depression and not handling the depression instead. Yep. It's not at all like what's happening right now.
Starting point is 00:50:13 And then crazily enough, weirdly enough among its members were DuPont, Bush, McGuire's boss Murphy, Colgate and other prominent figures of the time. And after it was discovered that they were in on this plot, they were wiped out of business. Nobody ever bought their products again. And America learned its lesson. Bush was put out of politics for eternity. Never again do we see any of his family bloodline in anywhere within the government. Well, we all know that didn't happen.
Starting point is 00:50:43 And instead, they put a lot of their money into denouncing the hearings. And of course, all these guys who were behind this plot, none of them were called in to testify or forced to answer any questions. Hitler. No one was punished except McGuire, who was seen as when I guess he was on the stand. He imploded and everyone was like, oh, he's the perfect fall guy then. Like he's so quickly easily under pressure collapses. The dude who told everything to French in like a seconds.
Starting point is 00:51:14 He so quickly was like, I mean, like Hitler, he made roads. You know, like that kind of shit. He seemed so cool, man. There was no way I could have known. And so he took all the heat publicly. But again, no one was punished for this. Just McGuire took all the heat publicly. And it's even more insulting when you realize that during this time, when this was happening
Starting point is 00:51:38 in front of Congress, a, an official from the company that was building the Hoover Dam sent a letter to Congress being like, yo, this is real. I'm aware of the fact that the American Liberty League is in league with the American Fascist Veterans Association, and they definitely are trying to overthrow the president. And they just, I hate these names at the same time. Just hid that shit. They were like, that's a little too much. We don't need to deal with it.
Starting point is 00:52:04 It's almost like if you don't teach people about actual history, humans have a tendency toward doing very similar patterns. Crazy. I know. I don't understand the thing that's crazy about this. And I know this is like, we've been talking a lot about how this is like very similar to the things that a lot of people in the GOP are trying to do right now, like a very tight knit group of people.
Starting point is 00:52:28 But right now we're looking at this from behind the scenes. We know a lot more about this situation and like the amount of like big businesses that are like directly involved in like taking, doing their part to manipulate the media and keep themselves out of the story. Like poor people, if you're listening to me talk about my politics and getting mad that I'm woke or whatever. And I have the beliefs that I have. If you're, if you perceive yourself to be like less privileged than me, genuinely ask yourself
Starting point is 00:53:01 like what these rich ass people are actually doing for you. Like genuinely ask, like just look into it. It's so clear. It's so clear what's happening. But all you have to do is just say, oh, maybe it is happening just like it already happened with Colgate, like Remington, George Bush's father. Like just this is not, this is a Jeffsy episode. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:28 This is like, this isn't an Alex episode. I didn't find one website that says this and use that as my only source. He meshed us together. Remember, he put us both together. And I will say one of the things that I think is interesting. And I didn't, again, like I said, there were a lot of conspirators, but one that I wanted to say for when one of you went on this rant, which I love is that this isn't just, I know that there's going to be someone who's like, bro, you're just trying to like shit on the
Starting point is 00:53:55 right again. Let me just add a name to this. Alfred P. Sloan was one of the conspirators. Alfred P. Sloan, anytime you listen to NPR, that dude, that the dude's foundation is funding something on NPR. So this was any rich dude. This wasn't like a right, left thing. This is a rich, poor thing.
Starting point is 00:54:15 That's the thing. That's the thing. It's always a fucking rich, poor thing. It's never a left, right thing. They just keep us, you know that. But the big thing too that America, I think, has a problem with in terms of just like its mentality is like, I don't, I feel like America doesn't, like a lot of citizens of America don't see themselves as poor.
Starting point is 00:54:31 They just see themselves as not rich yet. And like they see these billionaires and millionaires and look up to them because they think, or at least on some level think they may achieve a fraction of that one day. And, you know, they want what they're going to have, but that's never going to happen. As a third never ever going to happen. It's just not as the first year that I was in YouTube and and and podcasting and all that shit. First year that I ended up on Superbeard Brothers when we were pulling, you know, 3,000 views
Starting point is 00:55:00 of video on a good day. If we're lucky, you know, 30,000 subscribers. That's how I was thinking. You know what I mean? I was like, oh man, one day this is going to be like so huge. I'm so lucky that I got it during like when I did with this. Now as a 35 year old man, which whoa, that happened quick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Like, like all I want to do is like find how to like carve out time for myself to like enjoy my remaining days and like sit with people who I love and eat delicious things and hang out and like enjoy nature and things like that. And the idea that I'm going to go from where I am now to like a rich person and it's going to be my my like turn can do attitude that got me there is just totally insane. I'm not saying there's no way that you're going to get rich person listening to this, but I'm going to tell you the way to do it is not like in search of happiness because that's not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Yeah. But they purposely feed you the lie like you look at you look at I mean the most easy example is Jeff Bezos. He started Amazon out of his garage, quote unquote, with his rich as fuck parents who gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars to start a business. Yeah, sure. He got that. You have that picture with his cardboard Amazon, what you don't see is the piles of money
Starting point is 00:56:24 in his bank account. I see one more person be like, Elon Musk stood from nothing. I'm going to lose my damn mind. My mind is his emerald mine and potential racism, but never mind. Potential racism. I'm going to. Yeah, I'm going to. Yeah, potential.
Starting point is 00:56:38 You're going to go out there. Straight up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh man. But yeah, it's frustrating too because like that's what they I'm in a weird way that
Starting point is 00:56:46 the Internet has been good because if we didn't have the Internet and the way we have it now, the people would have learned their lessons and they'd be able to skirt around us. But now they're dealing with the technology they once again don't understand. So we can at least get the information out there just enough that, you know, it's not a total domination by an oligarchy while they still have most of the power. It could be worse without the Internet. It's like those people walking around in an Elden ring like that you run into all the
Starting point is 00:57:13 time that they're like they're like in society clothes, but they're zombies and they just like walk around looking for shit all the time. Yeah. The ones mining. I don't even know what they're doing. That's like what people are doing with the Internet. They're just haunting the Internet and acting like something that they're not and just being like a dead, empty person that like works for the forces of evil out of like pure complacency
Starting point is 00:57:37 and unwillingness to like inconvenience themselves. It's crazy. A lot of it. Yeah. It's the convenience of like micro things. There's like the convenience of like taking out the trash properly and the convenience of like like putting away a fucking shopping cart in the parking lot of the grocery store. Just like stuff like that piling up for everyone on the earth.
Starting point is 00:58:01 It's fucking insane. You know what I mean? And all you have to do is read. All you have to do is read to but but if you give in in a weird way, give it to a dictator, a fascist, a strongman, a leader, you now remove the need to think and in a weird way people like that. I think that's a big part of it. They can be finally like, well, he makes all decisions.
Starting point is 00:58:26 I no longer need to think about who to vote for this than the other privileged position because the reason why not to think is and he'll do thinking for me is because we think the same. And so I want to do what I'm going to do for me and we think the same. And that's Russia how it turned out. You know what I mean? When they did their grand revolution and everybody was going to get rich and then they turned into like the most fucked up place in the world for like twenty five years.
Starting point is 00:58:51 Like Russia is an example, a good example of unchecked unregulated capitalism. Just like run rampant. I thought they were communist. What? No, no, no. Yeah. That frustrates me. It's like it's not the USSR anymore, man.
Starting point is 00:59:05 After that, like they turn into pure capitalism. Then who do we hate? Yeah. Is it crazy? They don't know. Just think about crazy. Like I know we're I know we're talking about a lot of modern day politics. So a lot of people are almost like that's almost like I'm like Jesse said, a mirror
Starting point is 00:59:20 was being held up. But like just think about the fact that our strategy for fighting back against Russia invading Ukraine was to like cut off like the bank accounts of like 20 guys. And that like and that like worked. You know what I mean? Like just just think about like the private like we went to like 20 Russians and we were like your kids can't go to college anymore and we got your boat and then boo boo. And it like changed the course of the war.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Just just think about that. Well, you know, while we're thinking about rich in power and all that stuff, the money and power players during the 1930s when this was going on basically used all their money convinced everyone was a wild hoax. The committee 100% found that like, yeah, there was something going on here. But they did not act on it. And you know, while it was the consensus at the time that something was 100% being planned, the gap between planning and execution, they thought was so wide that there was nothing
Starting point is 01:00:23 they could conceivably. There was no cell phones. There was no Twitter. Like there was no accountability in that way. Like there is no text messages of like, we're going to meet tomorrow and it was the word of these two men. You'd think that having the records would be enough. But sometimes the day is January 20th, 2022.
Starting point is 01:00:42 In case anyone looks up with that joke is about in the future. This is found in a time capsule in two weeks. No one will know what I'm talking about. That's how fucked up. That's true. I know two weeks. No one will remember about the Secret Service deleting the fucking texts. All but one, which was probably like, Hey, yeah, that guy will message me constantly
Starting point is 01:01:00 and I'm here for it. But the only person, like I said, that got any heat was McGuire and they were like, look, the dude had ideas and he had wealthy friends with means, but no one pulled the trigger. No one acted upon it. And you know, it's, it's because Butler was the one to, you know, immediately put the, the, his foot down and be like, I got to stop this. He both in a way stopped it from happening, but also in a way stopped them from having any evidence of it happening.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Right. So dude is a hero, but everyone got away scot free because they were like, well, we can't prove anything, which they could, but they didn't want to go to war with the businesses of America. Cause at the time the business of America were smearing government and being like, look at these fat cats in, in Congress. They're not doing anything to help you, but we, the American business, I'll give this back to you.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Alex, I think you were Butler back to you. Like most committees, it has slaughtered the little and allowed the big to escape. The big shots weren't even called to testify weird. And that's pretty much where this thing called the business plot. There's many names for it, but it's, it's, it's a plot by businessman of America to take over the government. That's kind of where it ends. But for Butler, if we continue his story, he continues to become a major figure at the
Starting point is 01:02:35 time and he went on to write a book called war is a racket and he himself, however, after writing this book, like, and all these things, he kind of becomes a no name in today's America. He is lost to history because during this time, a lot of people just kind of like, we're like, no, get him, get him out of the history books. Like don't include this. We don't want our names. It's probably because his name is fucking Smedley, dude. I mean, it all scooped me because a bush was involved and then we went on to have two
Starting point is 01:03:09 Bush presidents, but like, you know, whatever, again, it wasn't until a BBC thing in 2007 to people like, you know what, this dude's grandfather, the current, at the time, 2007 Bush, they were like, this dude's grandfather was a freaking was like, hey, I'm Nazis, bro. Like that's probably that's probably why all the Republicans voted for Obama that that year instead. Yeah, maybe, maybe exactly bingo, convinced by that and and voted for Obama and that's why Obama won. And so, you know, while there are many people in conspiracy circles who know Smedley's
Starting point is 01:03:48 name and there's some people in the Marines who know his name, I believe there's like a Marine chant for, you know, the running around about Smedley, Smedley, Smedley, Smedley boys. He is, he was, he's known for his medal of honors, medals of honor, but also dude had a darker side. Like if you were to ask people around the world what they think of, like in America, we don't really remember him much and in the military, they do honor him, but around the world, they remember his ass, but they remember him for the bad thing, like one of the articles
Starting point is 01:04:22 I was reading about him, this person went to Haiti and they asked like, you know, do you know who this guy is? And they're like, oh hell yeah, that dude was tip of the spear from when the Marines came in and like usurped our democratic government and put in straight up like a dictator to run the nation on behalf of American interests and you know, spoilers didn't work out so great for Haiti. Yeah, that's kind of strange how that tends to happen as well. We're only just now getting to the point there.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Like I'm pretty sure that everybody with a brain in their fucking head now realizes that like inside the United States, the powerful are manipulating the weak, but I think only in the last like three, four years even are people really comfortable with talking about the fact openly and like in a casual, like non controversial setting that the United States was like literally fucking the entire world up through all kinds of like weird illicit operations. You know, it's crazy. I mean, Smithley says, you know, he spent 30 years of his life helping the rich plunder
Starting point is 01:05:33 Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, and more while he was in the military and he was like, it is imperialism. What we did was imperialism. It is imperialist. That's, you know, we don't want to talk about it in America, so we love to like make ourselves all hype on it on each other, but like that's what it was. And so we spent the last 10 years of his life going around trying to prevent tyranny from happening here at home in the U.S. that he was like, oh crap, I did that to the rest
Starting point is 01:06:01 of the world. Like he finally saw what he had done. And so he proudly was out like he was out there at the time, which again, this is probably why he's not talked about much because he was one of those guys in the thirties that was like, we cannot fight war is awful. And then we got into World War Two and then post World War Two was like America. We killed you all. Like that kind of thing.
Starting point is 01:06:25 And so you can understand why he'd be sort of lost to history. But one of the things that's super interesting is the one person who really responded well to him, the guy who really was like, holy shit, he's on to something. And the person who read the book, War is a Racket was Dwight D. Eisenhower. And when he went on to become president post World War Two, he gave a speech that was based on this man and it was about the military industrial complex. And he was saying like, watch out for them. They're bad news.
Starting point is 01:06:56 And he based that speech off of all the work this man had done, all the work Butler done. That's where he got this stuff from. And so I just want to leave you with like the most truly like this is a guy who had clearly reflected on his life and was honest with himself. And he just was like, look, this is this is who I was. This is what I was when I was in the military. And Alex, again, this is from this is from Smedley, the Marine General, who had one last thing to say before we wrap up.
Starting point is 01:07:30 The mystery of Smedley Butler, Smedley, but only the United Kingdom has beaten our record for square miles of territory acquired by military conquest are exploits against the American Indian against the Filipinos, the Mexicans and against Spain are on par with the campaigns of Genghis Khan, the Japanese and Manchuria and the African attack of Mussolini. I helped make Mexico an especially tempico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped made Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall
Starting point is 01:08:09 Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1909 to 1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927, I helped see to it that standard oil went its way on molested. During those years, I had as the boys in the back room would say a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotion.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Looking back on it, I feel I might have even given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was operate in three city districts. We Marines operated on three continents. That is a fucking amazing quote. That is a great like that dude looked into his soul was like, holy shit, I feel you like I can imagine what that feels like because you join thinking one thing like you're there to help protect a nation and its people. And all you're doing is like making rich men richer.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Yeah, operating under an empire. Yeah, just an empire. An empire state of mind, baby. Yeah, and that is the story of the business plot and Smetley Butler, I think. That's awesome. Great as American. Yeah, that was an awesome story. I knew bits and pieces of that, but very, very little.
Starting point is 01:09:31 Like I learned a ton this episode. That was really, really well done. And again, another, I feel like Jesse, you bring those episodes that end to end up echoing today's world a little bit. I don't want to history. I went into this being like, all right, I know that a bunch of businessmen tried to overthrow the government. That's really interesting.
Starting point is 01:09:51 And it relates kind of like it's a plot against a president, which is like what Alex was talking about and its conspiracy and it's like real crime stuff that what you're talking about, Mathis. I'm like, oh, this is perfect, perfect. And the more I kept adding to the story, the more I'm like, this is January 6th. This is just history repeating. It's not like I wanted to. We got here because the shit be the same all the time.
Starting point is 01:10:11 It's the same. Yeah. All the damn time. Well, we're going to head off now to patreon.com slash Luminati pod to record many. So number 100. Alex is a surprise. I have no idea what's in store. Oh, no, I don't know what's about to happen.
Starting point is 01:10:26 He just opened up a window. We'll worry about that in a second. Why did you open a window? I don't know what's about to happen, but we're we'll do that. Hey, lastly, I want to say last two things. Thank you guys over for selling us out of Moffam and Plush's again. Head over to the Yeti dot com slash Luminati. Keep an eye on them.
Starting point is 01:10:45 We're going to try and get them restocked as soon as we can. I don't know how long we're going to have the third wave getting ready. I'm going to hope very, very soon. But while you're there, we've got all of our posters restocked. We had sold out of those recently and in just about a week and a half, we're going to have four new products launching on the store. So yeah, baby. I'm just I'm doing business, baby.
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Starting point is 01:11:22 Yes, we got new stickers. We've got stickers coming as well. Well, in wintertime, we'll do something like that again, like a hoodie. Nobody needs a jacket on this entire earth right now, dude. I know, that's true. But what if we made like a Chilinati like Letterman jacket? I'm there. I'd be down.
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