Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 165 - Missing 411 Part 2: The Lies and Fabrications

Episode Date: August 13, 2022

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episode 165 as always. I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by the teeny, teeny, teeny, Tina Fey and Amy Polar of LA. Yes, he has. The teeny, tiny, Tina Fey and the little, tiny, Chibi Fey. They used to host the weekend update, but they're one-fourth the size, it's teeny, Tina Fey. Welcome to the show as always, boys.

It's good to have you. Oh, it's good to be here. Are you excited for today? I brought tea. I'm very excited. Let's get crazy. Tea? That's like, I feel like that's not what you need to be bringing to these shows.

I brought a fucking fifth of fucking vodka, bro. Also, I don't feel like that's our vibe either. I mean, the tea's name, the tea's called Throat Coat. Does that help? Ooh, that's, you know what? Can we do, can we, where's Throat Coat at on the true crime paranormal sponsorship? Well, it makes my voice good, so, you know, I'm all right. What's that?

Voice good. All right. It does. Throat Coat teas have nothing to say about that. I should probably try that then. I've never, ever. Google it. You'll be like, oh, what a spicy taste of flavors that makes me able to talk in the

morning. Wow. Even though it's afternoon right now. Well, I've been drinking it all day. I'm not going to lie. Fair enough. This is my third cup, so it's like all good. Slamming down that throat coat.

What can I say? Just like the people on Patreon slam their money into our hands, right, Alex? That's right. I don't even have to do these things. I stole it. I stole it. That is. If you head over to Patreon.

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He's never going to not be IG. He's stuck there forever. And Mothman Prophecies was good. It was just weird. It was very strange. I don't know why that was like the plot of a like expensive move. We're doing the show. We're doing the show.

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before they dropped. So if you missed out on getting that plushie because we don't know if we're getting a third wave or not. That's up to the Yeti. Those plushies. I don't even know who's buying them. I think Mathis is just. I just have a closet of them all.

Yeah. I don't know who's buying them, but they're fly. Anytime we put them out, they like disappear within like a little bit of time. The beanies were gone in like a day as well. As soon as those. It is cause we only make six plushies at a time. I make every plushie by myself. Do you give each one a kiss before you bag it up?

I not only give it a kiss. I like give it a hug and then and then and then put one hair in each stuffing. So I'm actually a part of each plushie. Where does the hair come from? Where's the hair come from? My beard. It's beard hair. Okay.

I can't give any more head hair. I got so much. I'm nothing to do. I'm nothing to do. It's disgusting. Put a little beard, one beard hair, one single beard hair in with the stuffing. So I'm always with you. I don't stand by those plushies.

They're gross. I'm just kidding. What's the next plushie going to be? We have many ideas. Give me one. Give me one example. A puppy chupacabra. How does that work?

Do they have dangly legs? No, we give him a little dangly joint thing at the front of his head though. He's going to have a joint coming out of his head. This is IP. Can I ask you a question? Uh-huh. Why are we not making Tsum Tsums? Remember those things?

Do you know what Tsum Tsums are? I know what Tsum Tsums are. Probably because a copyright would be my guess. We call them chill chills. Chill, Suminati. They're just like little tiny round boys. You know those reversible... Disney characters into burritos.

You know those reversible octopus things with the happy and sad face? Sure. Somebody suggested we do the green stone and it turns into the red stone. That's a great idea. It's just a rock. It's literally just a rock. It's not anything. I don't know if it would sell.

I don't think it has the same kind of cross pollination that the mop man has when it comes to the product. We should sell $100 rocks that we paint green by hand. $400. That is some Gamer Girl bathwater if I've ever heard of it. That sucks. How much money did she make? How much did Belle Delphine make?

That's the question. More money than I will ever see. Yeah. That sounds good to me. Boys, I'm nervous. We're about to go into something that I know it's about to happen. I'm mentally and emotionally prepared for it, but still like I walk in with hesitation because I understand where these people come from and I want to be there with them.

I want to be there alongside them because today is part two of missing 411 and while we looked at missing 411 in the first part and just did some stories and try to take these things at face value in part two, we're going to do something we didn't do in that or those early, early episodes. We're really going to do some deep dives. We really did a lot of research on this and we're going to talk about why in my own humble opinion that while missing, it's fascinating to hear stories of missing people's going out in the woods and those stories always make for, you know, creepy entertainment.

And yeah, I want to be there with you with the believing aliens have abducted these people or whatever it is that you think was weird and happened. I want to be there, but I just, I just can't do it. All through this research, I just have come to the conclusion. It's not possible for me. And for those who are already typing their angry comments, just hear me out. I'm not here to make you mad. I'm simply here to posit what may be actually going on.

So it sounds like me at the beginning of the JFK episode. Yeah, I know, I know, I know. So here's a big thing that we're going to move into. I want to first clarify what exactly a missing person's case has to fall under in order for it to be considered a missing 411 case. And this is how David, and I'm going to, I apologize for mispronouncing his name last time. His last name is Paulitis, David Paulitis.

I kept saying Paulides because it's just how it's phonetically spelt and that's my own brain doing its own thing. And I watched over the weekend, the most recent documentary, the 2019 doc hunted. Let me just say the first case they introduced of this elderly man who went hunting with his family was 82 partially deft missing an eye and left alone. They wonder why he went missing, but we're not going to talk about it, just say that's the kind of cases that were presented within the actual documentary, which you would think would be some of the more convincing cases.

But these are the things, and this is pulled right out of the documentary, that consist of a 411 missing person, point of separation, meaning they at some point wandered off alone. Most common, these are happening at least for the missing 411 cases are mid to late afternoon. The time of disappearance, which correlates to the mid to late afternoon, usually they go disappearing near Boulder fields or near water, which are that's a covers a vastly different kind of land. Then there's a weather event that happens during or shortly after the person goes missing, such as rain or snow or heavy fog.

Most likely the person, most often should say the person has some and this is has some sort of late is this like laid out yes, this is this is laid out in the movie, I wouldn't say coherently, but they do give a bullet point list and that's what I'm using right now. Okay, the person usually has some sort of obvious or subtle health disability canines can usually not track the person there if found found in an area that was previously searched. The person usually has missing clothing items.

There's an unknown cause of death and there exist. They must exist within geographical clustering and what geographical clustering is according to Paulitis is an area on a map where clusters of people are going missing. However, his range for a cluster is fucking huge. He considers anything a cluster that consists of three to seventy five or eighty missing people in an area and that is a large swath to kind of what do you mean three to seventy five is words, is words, so fantastic question. He's also claimed to have found over fifty clusters across the globe.

Now those are all the main points. I go on to now clarify they don't have to hit all of those points. They just have to hit enough of them where they are considered. Now you might ask yourself how many do they have to hit in order for it to be considered missing four and one? And the answer I have for you is good question because a lot of the things he does are vague and nondescript and we do not know exactly only that in the missing four and one cases a mix of these bullet points are going to occur.

I also want to move forward. Go ahead and say here are the sources that we are using for this particular episode. Obviously, all the books and the documentaries that we've listed in the first episode. But on top of that, there's a lot more being used here. I'm using nps.gov in their missing person. I'm using a professional caver by the name of Chuck Sutherland to discuss some of the aspects that we're talking about there. I'm not discussing a more modern or rather a rather deep breakdown of some of the missing

person's cases that are presented within his books by an author that whose name has disappeared, mostly because his account on Reddit has been deleted. So I don't know where he went or what his things are, but all the info is still very readily available. On top of that, we are also going to be using Skeptoid.com, please bear with me. We're only using it for a quote from a scientist, not the actual full article. And then we are also using strangeoutdoors.com, which is a using for a breakdown of how people go missing and disappearances, as well as pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.

So a government medical website to break down the first one of the first things I even want to talk about when it comes to some of these bullet points that David puts forward, specifically the the bullet point of missing clothing. When it comes to broadband internet, streaming and mobile packages, choice overload is real. Whether you're upgrading or moving to a new home, smartmove.us is a quick, easy and free way to compare packages. Explore all your options now at smartmove.us slash discover. It is so easy to get stuck doing the same thing day after day.

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Now, a lot of people and him himself really point to that people obviously take their clothes off when hypothermia typically occurs. That's seen in a lot of people as they kind of it doesn't make sense. They get warm and whatnot. But what David will point to is a lot of these people, if their bodies are found, are ruled out to have died from hypothermia or have any of physical evidence that presents on the person that they had hypothermia and therefore them taking off their clothing doesn't make much sense.

However, there is a phenomenon known as paradoxical undressing and they don't know, and this is where the medical website comes from, what causes it a lot of the time. They posit some examples that can cause them to undress that are not hypothermia, but let me read to you what the abstract is here of paradoxical undressing associated with potential subarachnoid hemorrhage in non-hypothermia cases. Paradoxical undressing is a phenomenon characterized some fatal hypothermia cases. The victims, despite low environment temperatures, paradoxically remove their clothes due to a sudden feeling of warmth.

In this report that they've created, they describe a case of suspected paradoxical undressing in a non-hypothermia case. The victim, a 51-year-old Caucasian man, was found dead wearing only sneakers and socks and all other clothing was found in his car. Post-mortem investigations allowed the hypothesis of hypothermia to be ruled out and revealed the presence of a ruptured cerebral aneurysm that suggested a voluntary undressing or any third party's DNA profiler involved. There was no a third party.

An aneurysm suggested an undressing? Correct. When they did an autopsy on his body, they found that he had an aneurysm and it was the only thing that they could give as an explanation as to why he undressed because he clearly had not suffered from hypothermia. Well, this goes back to when we were talking about the boy, I'm going to butcher this name, the Dietlov, is that what it's called? Yes, Dietlov Pass.

It's the exact same thing when those people were like running out of their tent and stripping down and it seems like a trend as you research more and more people getting lost in the snow and in the cold. Something happens to them, where they kind of lose it and I'd be more interested in seeing a study of that. What happens there and why there's so many instances of that and if this is the reasoning, is it just like a trigger in your body that when it goes off, you're done, you're just going to run around in the snow bare ass naked and you're dead?

Yeah, agreed and that's what's frustrating about it because that's where I understand where a lot of these people who want to believe in the weirdness of missing form when one comes from because while I can say, yes, all the people who we never found only found their clothing of, any number of things could have caused them to take their clothing off, there is literal medical examples of people undressing without hypothermia, but then there's always the ones where the bodies are found, they don't look like they suffered hypothermia and maybe during an autopsy it doesn't look like they had a cerebral hemorrhage, then there's still that mystery there and it is a confusing mystery.

Unfortunately, just because something is a mystery does not inherently imply that the paranormal are involved and that's the slippery slope that we've talked about so many times over so many episodes. That's the slippery slope that we've been sitting on. We tread that slippery slope all the time. Pretty much the entire time we've been at the show. But the fascinating thing to me is that we're sitting here talking about missing 411 and all these crazy things that could potentially be happening and like, is it Bigfoot?

Is it aliens or whatever? But to me, the bizarre, fascinating thing out of all this is again, going back to like the human mind and just our psyche breaking is fascinating and that's a whole- Our psyche is fragile as hell, man. People don't realize how easy it is for people to break. That's genuinely terrifying when you think about that compared to like, well, it could be Loch Ness got him. You know what I mean?

Like, that seems way more terrifying than the idea that your mind can just shatter like that. And another thing that, you know, moving forward, I have to address too is a lot of people would like to say that David Paulides, I'm sorry, Paulides' books, and I know how his name is pronounced, but it's just a habit, all he does is he doesn't posit theories. He simply presents the facts and that has been something I've seen kind of used in defense of maintaining the kind of paranormal nature of these cases and kind of poo-pooing anybody who says David Paulides is maybe not necessarily correct.

And to that, I'm simply going to say flat, you're wrong. We're going to go through excerpts of his books where he simply begins implying, nudging, and additionally adding or simply removing facts from the case so that the narrative fits a more mysterious nature rather than something tragic and probably just natural or underlying illness of the person that they that they ended up finding or just straight up misreporting. In one story that we'll talk about, he says the person was never found. However, an article that if you dig deeper into that particular case, he was found three

days later and he was relatively fine for a condition. So even the stories presented in the book are not necessarily full of facts and that's where we need to really, really work necessarily full of exactly. And that's immediately puts it puts everything in doubt is the problem. Moreover, researching into David Paulides further shows that he himself is I'm just going to say kind of a dick heading over, you know, just reading up about him. He's very transphobic, very anti-vax, very government conspiracy, deep state kind of thing. And while again, you know, this is not a political taken and that I'm taking, it's

simply how he is. It makes more sense that maybe he truly does believe in the weird nature of Missing 411 and doesn't necessarily isn't necessarily trying to make a lot of money off of this. But it's also important to know that people claim that he is the only one doing Missing 411 research, and that is also simply not true. However, he has done an amazing job at creating the Missing 411 brand and making himself the face of it. So looking up Missing 411 very specifically or anything tangential to it will bring him up first and foremost, but dig deeper. And there are plenty of people out there who look into these cases and are also doing Missing

411 research and are finding that a lot of them are not necessarily all that mysterious after all. There may still be some mysterious cases in that book, and that is always going to pluck at the mind and draw your imagination. I'm right there with you, but you have to if you want to believe in the paranormal good. Yeah, look at what is likely happening. Now, I'm sure I'm already there's so many angry people. That's all the foundation I need to lay. I'd like to move forward now with the actual episode itself. Is there any other questions or concerns that you may have prior? OK, so the very first thing we're going to talk about is something that we actually brought

up on the last episode. And that is simply the maps that are laid out in terms of caves and in terms of missing people clusters. One of the big problems that Paulides' map has is that it is scattered. There is no key on the map. You just simply have to know what the dots represent. And if an unlearned eye or an uneducated eye simply looked at the maps and I would I'll get you a map link right now, gentlemen, the map on top that we're looking at. And this is a map that's used kind of often and you can't really read the shit on the right. It's all jagged out. But just looking at the top map, that looks like a mess of clusters, right? Lots of little dots, very messy and potentially could represent

a lot of missing people. But what I didn't even know at the time when I first looked at this until doing some further reading is that the black dots on that map are not missing peoples. They're simply cave systems. The only missing peoples represented on that map are the red dots. And that's it, which are a red like a smaller. Yeah, like the orangey ones. Yeah, the orangey red runs. Correct. There's a sub so they don't even really sync up with the cave systems. But they are again, we know where cave systems are. And there are countless unknown potential falls into caves when you're in those areas. And that's something I've learned just reading more about cavers is how, you know, if you're going into

an area that has a caving system, you got to be careful and watch your step because if you're not looking, there's could just be a small hole that's barely big enough to either break your ankle or just fucking slip into and disappear. So visually, what we're looking at is a map of the United States, continental US. Yes. And there are what appeared to be red and then blue lines and then green lines and then yellow lines. And I'm not sure exactly what those tags are for. And then there are little orange dots and those orange dots, I assume are the missing people potentially or spots where people go missing because I'm still not sure what the tags are. Yeah. And anytime I've been I've looked for an image

that is not that when you crushed by a bitrate, but it just doesn't exist online. Right. Well, whatever it's very clear, the big thing here is that they're showing the limestone caves and lava caves of the US. And what's interesting, and I think this is not what I expected, I would expect the Rockies to have a bunch more caves than apparently it does. Maybe that's discovered caves. I'm not sure. Appalachia on the other hand, all caves all day. That whole you can literally just see where the Appalachian mountains go through the United States. So it's I mean, I'm underneath is just a regular map to use as comparison to the missing. And so, you know, if you overlay it, you can see that much of it is related,

but there's also some outliers here or there. Like there's one just sort of like in the upper peninsula of Michigan. Yeah, exactly. It's it's it's a lot of stuff. And there is even speculation that the the top map didn't even initially have those black dots on them, that they were put as on there by a second party to show where the caves are. And that initially was just little red dots and blue dots with very little context beyond that. This guy goes through the actual map itself. The Chuck Sutherland, this guy's a caver. And he talks about, you know, having been very familiar with with mapping caves and cartography, that the map itself is completely done wrong. It's too vague. He uses point data when that should only be used to

symbolize infrequent data. And there's a lot of like problems with the map that they use itself. And there's plenty of examples if you go down as to other maps that are more useful and how they're used and what the point data is used for. I'm not here to teach you about how caving maps work. But that's the first thing I want to talk about, because there is that belief that they might be getting like lost in caves. And that still may very well be true. There is also really quickly just to interrupt. Man, this is this is upsetting. If you go to the Chuck Sutherland page, it says that image that we just looked at is called the North American cluster map. Yes. And when you click North American cluster map, it takes you to a page that then says

the North American cluster map version two available high quality for sale on the Bigfoot store. Then you go to the Bigfoot store, you click that link. And then if you want to see the map and you want to see all the cluster maps, because now the cluster maps are multiple sets, 46.95. Exactly. And I don't want to go out there and say he's out there to make a buck. But he might be out there to make a buck. And here's the thing. It's like it's we're not or obviously not against making a buck. This is God. No, hello. Look at what we literally started the entire show with the Patreon thing. Yeah, exactly. But in this case, if you're doing what you believe to be scientific research, the proof shouldn't be behind a paywall. Submit the

map somewhere. If you truly think you're finding something, then you should submit the map. But yeah, like a t-shirt, a hat, or whatever. Fine. Yeah, I get bad books. The documented evidence of what you're trying to prove is 40, 50 bucks that that's that's not right. Who is it supposed to help? Like, isn't it supposed to be like, isn't like part of it like the moral appeal to like, we got to get these people's stories out there, but then you got to pay 100 percent. And if you watch the 2019 documentary, which you can find on Amazon Prime, you can watch it for free on Amazon Prime. That's the tone of the whole thing. It's him interviewing these families and like really taking their side and being like, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. So yeah,

there is that tone of like trying to get their stories out there. But again, the further you dig and the further you look, the less the missing 401 one stuff appears paranormal. And the more it just kind of begins to fall apart as opposed to anything else. Another thing that is talked about is that, you know, a lot of these missing persons cases are not handled properly, not filed properly by the National Park Services or by the FBI and the government. But there is a reason for that. There is a reason that these things are kind of scattered and not well reported. It's not an excuse for the government to be as sloppy as it may or may not be. But incompetence once again, doesn't necessarily mean conspiracy. Okay. All right. I now understand what the map,

now have seen information that kind of details what the map we looked at was. Those orange dots are not single incidents. They are where multiple things have taken place in that very particular area. And that's why they're highlighted there. Three to 75 to 80. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's much, that's much more shocking than like 30 people went missing around the US. At least it seems like, oh, okay. We're saying in this very particular spot in say somewhere in the Appalachian Mountains in like Tennessee, people just go missing all the time. Like, okay. I'm like a little more into the mystery of it now. Before I was like, this is insane. But all right. I kind of like, I don't necessarily believe it. But like, all right.

You can be there. I can follow with it. Yeah. As far as the states and the reason that these are all like not as well documented is simply a matter of state law and a federal law. Federal missing persons cases are not like, they don't go after every single missing persons. And city missing persons will not always correlate with the federal missing persons case. And there's just not, there's not communication there. And then because there's not communication, cases are going to slip the cracks. People are going to get, you know, never found and left as cold cases. It's going to happen. And he's posited that they don't necessarily record all missing persons cases. However, I have also read that that is not true. They simply won't give him

all of the information because of his known background. And so they're not willing to come forward. One last weird discrepancy I had was that in the books, Paulitis describes a single park ranger coming to him and anonymously and saying he needs to do this research. However, in the documentary from 2019, he says two anonymous rangers approached him and asked him to do this. It's just it's small. But when things start stacking up, the small things become a lot more obvious as you begin to do your, you know, do more research and do more reading. With that out of the way, the chunk of this episode is going through about three separate cases that are presented in his North America book, the same one we were using as examples from

the last one, not the same story is just the same book, which you can go get at on his website for way cheaper than I realized. You can get it for like 25, 30 bucks over on his website. So if you want one of his books, don't go to Amazon, just go to his website and buy one of the books at like normal frigging cost. But this is what this is the part where I started reading and really started seeing this all fall apart for me. So the first case we're going to talk about is the missing person by the name of Frida Langer, who went disappearing in 1950. She was 53 years old when she went missing in Vermont. First, we're just going to read an excerpt here, a paragraph from the book itself. And then we're going to kind of look at why what he's positing is not just the

facts and is twisted, turned and nudged in a particular direction. So first this comes from pages 275 to 276 in the Eastern US book. The woman was 150 yards away from a cabin that she had owned for 14 years. There was no way she was lost. This woman knew exactly where she was going. Something very bad happened to her. The key to this and many other cases highlighted in this book is the location of the body. Frida was found in a swampy area in High Weeds, a description very similar to many other locations where bodies in this book have been found. You cannot convince me that people seek out swamps to walk into it and die. It makes no sense. Frida knew this area as well as Corey Kelly knew Northern Minnesota when he disappeared. Kelly was found in almost an

identical area as Frida. If a predator wanted to take a person into an area where they wouldn't be seen and a person wouldn't walk up on them, a swamp with High Weeds would be ideal. So that's a paragraph from Paulides himself. And I'm sure just hearing it after the amount of we've done, you can kind of hear a lot of the issues kind of in that. There's a lot of suggestion there. So first we'll talk about the statement that says the woman was 150 yards away from a cabin that she had owned for years. There was no way she was lost. And breaking it down, the author says that this statement is kind of an argument from his own personal incredulity. Wow, that came out hard. There is no way any other person can conclude that Langer was not lost because nobody

was there to help her. It's true that Langer was 150 yards from the cabin when she was last seen, but it's misleading to claim that there was no way she was lost. Why is it misleading to claim this? 150 yards in nature is different than a football field and a half of open space. Well, here's again, a fact that Paulides leaves out. You might be on the fact that nature itself, and that is a good enough excuse or a good enough reason. But the reason that he cannot claim that there's no way that she was lost is because this woman had been suffering from blackouts as a result of a brain tumor surgery from five years earlier, which we can get from the North Adams transcript on the October 30th, 1950. So she was blacking out like she was having that,

but that wasn't mentioned, you know, in the book. The quote, the transcript goes on to stay to the medical transcript says, quote, in Mr. John's opinion, the ill-fated Mrs. Langer either lost her way and was overtaken by darkness while seeking a shorter route through the woods she knew well, or stricken by one of the mental seizures to which she had been subject since a brain operation five years ago and wandered aimlessly through the night to her death. Mr. John is a state's attorney, Edward A. John of Battleboro. So yeah, there's a way she could have been freaking lost, and there's no mention of her brain tumor in her entire missing person's segment within her book. That one case alone might throw doubt, like that one fact alone could even throw doubt on the rest

of the books, but there are so many more examples. Are you stuck in the city life routine? It's time to get outdoors and enjoy the fresh air. You're missing out on bold journeys and brave adventures that are just waiting for you. When's the last time you saw a breathtaking sunrise or a stunning waterfall? Have you hiked at Zion's or four-wheeled at Moab? An RV is the perfect way to blend the comfort and convenience of home with your outdoor adventures. Whatever your needs are, we're here to help. Visit a Motorsportsland RV Center or motorsportsland.com today and let Motorsportsland help you get away. This woman knew exactly where she was going, and yet again, because of her sickness, we have no idea

what could have caused that. We know she had surgery and she was having issues. He then goes on to say, the key to this and many other cases highlighted in the book is the location where she was found, the high swampy area. Here, David Paulitis claims that the key is the location where Langer went missing, but ignores her medical background entirely. Paulitis has not solved a single case, so how does he know what the keys are? There are no indications that the Langer case A is connected to the other cases or B explains other cases. The North Adams transcript from the hospital on May 14, 1951 would state, quote, both Mr. Langer and Mr. S. Ellsner, who were at the camp Saturday but who knew nothing of the

grim climax until they were roused from sleep by the returning party shortly after midnight, also felt certain that a recurrence of Mrs. Langer's old ailment had sent her to her death. Which means the people who she went missing from were convinced it must have been happening so often or often enough where it could have happened and that's all it takes. She wasn't being watched and a medical thing goes wrong. Then we go into where he starts nudging the audience a little. He says, you cannot convince me that people seek out swamps to walk into and die. It makes no sense. And this is what's known as a straw man argument. Yeah, people seek out swamps and walk into and die. It's another argument from incredulity. It makes no sense. No one has claimed that Langer

walked out and saw a swamp to walk into or die. Accidental drowning is a way more likely scenario according to the investigators than her walking into a swamp to die. He just implies that with the evidence he puts forward and it immediately will put you, of course, if you haven't done any deeper research in any of these cases, is going to put you the reader to believe that there's something weird going on. And it's it helps, I think his case, that he very heavily consistently throughout the books leans on his 40 years in the FBI and all that stuff to give him that credibility. But again, if you are reading these books and you still don't believe, what I would say is do the research that you believe Paul Lydus is doing himself. Go and try to do the research on

these cases on your own. See what you can find and see if it matches for yourself. Finally, he goes to say the quote from, if a predator wanted to take a person into an area where they wouldn't be and a person wouldn't walk up on them, a swamp with high reads would be ideal. But there was never once a predator in the source material. No predator was ever mentioned. The predator character is only being brought up and invented in this sentence. The framework of his missing 411 kind of narrative almost needs some sort of abductor, because if there was no abductor, then then it's just a natural occurrence. But these cases, he consistently says he's only presenting the facts. But again, he's not A and B.

If he was, if this is all he was doing was presenting the facts, why is he pumping out nine books and not going with this research to the people who do research on missing persons? It's just sketchy. So that's that one little look. And you can actually, there's a newspaper clippings talking about the finding of her body that you can go read from 1950. They're all out there. They're easily accessible. And that's just one of the examples that, you know, that are mentioned in his book. We'll go to the next one. But I mean, that's kind of like the gist so far, gentlemen, of like what we're looking at here. And does it all make a little bit more sense kind of as we're looking through it? And, and, you know, I just I wish I'm just I'm bummed. I think

I'm bummed. I think deep down, yeah, my heart is broken. Because I want to I want to believe, man, I want to believe that the people are walking through interdimensional doorways or aliens are swinging down. And hell, maybe one of these cases in these nine books is an alien abduction. Like a chance is there. And if there is true, I would jump into that. But it's just colors. It just colors my understanding of these events even worse. Agreed. It already seemed pretty sus. Like it seemed like it was like maybe sus in good faith before. Right. Like just somebody who earnestly was convincing themselves that this was true. Yeah. You know, but now it just seems like. And I still don't necessarily I don't want to say

something. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't either. But I don't I wouldn't even necessarily disbelieve that that's what the initial intention was that this was, you know, a case taken on, you know, from his own fascination and looking. But again, all you know, go back to the beginning of the episode and listen to the list of things that has to be considered for them to be missing four and one, then understand that not all of them have to be true. And then understand how vague all of them are. I'll copy paste you, boys, the bullet points just so you have them. Some of them need to be true for for them to be considered. Some of them need to be true. Some of them missing need to be true. Even in the documentary, the first case he's talking about only about three of them

happened to this person. But that's I guess enough. So, you know, that that is what it is. Moving on to the next case is a man by the name of Barofsky, who went missing in 1892. He was six years old and he went missing in New Jersey. He was missing for about four days in the summer of 1892. And when rescuers found him crying in a swamp, the boy was suffering from exposure and hunger. Barofsky was taken to a doctor who felt the boy would probably not survive. This is the pretty much the very next case in the book. This is pages 277 to 278. You can read about this in the in the Eastern US book like the previous one. So, David Paulitis in this particular case publishes an article, a quote from an article in the Weekly Herald of 1982,

July 8th. Quote, the article says, quote, the child was found hanging over a bush. There was at least two feet of water surrounding it. The bushes within the child's reach had been gnawed and eaten and the clothes were torn from the little one while blood streamed from the wounds and gashes on its body and legs. The skin and flesh on its legs were torn off, its hands badly lacerated and shrunken. So that's that's that's a quote that's an actual article that's how they found the boy and that was in the book itself. However, Paulitis then kind of leaves out the next part of that. Rather, he goes on to lead the player, the player, Jesus, the reader in the next paragraph saying, all readers need to now reread the statement I made

in the article. The boy was found hanging over a bush. I doubt he thrust himself onto the bush to hang there. I doubt he placed himself in the middle of the swamp. It almost appears to me as though the boy was being carried through the swamp that gets being ripped and scratched. As searchers got closer, the boy was placed safely on top of a bush in the suspect escape. Again, I would not posit that as him putting forward facts and instead guiding the reader toward a particular conclusion. And there is one article that he does not refer to and it was published in the St. Louis Post Dispatch in July 3rd, 1982. This article, which I can send you the image image to right here, gentlemen, I'll link you the article that we're using here.

Oh, old school article. Yeah, it's an old school article from the 1892. So yeah, this is an article that he this is the there is one article that he doesn't refer to. This is the newspaper was published and you can see the image below to get a better picture of what actually happened. I'll read the article here. Oh, no, you know what, Jesse, give me your old timing announcer voice and read me this article found in swamp. A six year old boy wanders away from home New York July 2nd. The six year old son of Lazarus Borofsky of Carmel, New Jersey, who wandered away four days ago has been found. A large number of searches on Friday began an investigation of the Lebanon swamp, a marsh of large area.

The searching party separated and went over the ground carefully. Lately afternoon, a cry was heard coming from the interior of a clump of bushes, penetrating into this one. Whoa, what is penetrating into this one of the searches was rewarded by discovering the missing boy bending over and clinging to a small bush, which stood in the center of a little pool of water nearly two feet deep. That is a sentence. That is an old-timey sentence. Jesus. Jesus. The little one had evidently suffered from hunger as well as exposure as he had began gnawing the bushes in the hope of obtaining some nourishment from them. The clothing of the child was torn, wet and soiled, and there were scratches on the body

and the legs from which the blood flowed. What a sentence. From which the blood flowed. The skin and some of the flesh had also been torn from its legs. Its legs and its little hands were painfully lacerated. By the way, you know what? I'm not going to do it. I was about to be like, I'm just saying. They didn't say he or she there, but whatever. That's true. That's very true. I'm not going to start nothing. I'm just saying. It isn't a new thing. No. Since the child disappeared, two heavy rain storms occurred from which the child had nothing to protect it. There's a point. There's a point right there. After moving the half-famished little one to the home of its parents, a doctor was sent for. He has graved doubts of its recovery as the little one is suffering from

a severe attack of pneumonia, the result of its exposure to the elements. I don't, you know what? I'm not sure I like the phrase. It's their exposure to the elements. It's is a little dehumanizing, but okay. It's, it is the little one. The little one. It is the little, which also, by the way, I just want to point out, it starts with the six-year-old son of Lazarus Barofsky. And then they say they went to go look for the child. And then the rest of the time, it's like, it's, it's, it's, if this is a horror story, they didn't find that child. Whatever they found was not that kid. They found the little one. But yeah, this news article was not referenced or, or, you know, used in any way. I don't know if there was anything necessarily nefarious about it at all,

obviously. And I'm not here to posit whether he did. It's that if he was actually doing his full research and presenting it, either he didn't find this article or he cherry-picked and chosen not to. But we're going to go through his statement and talk about why what he said also falls into, like, a bit of a lie. So the first amendment statement he says is now, all the readers now need to go reread the statement made in the article that the boy was found hanging over a bush. And yes, this quote is correct according to both the newspaper articles that we've now read from, but it's also super vague and misleading. As we've already seen in the St. Louis post-dispatch that we just read, it offers a clear description of what the scene looked like late in the afternoon,

a cry was heard coming from the interior of a clump of bushes, penetrating into the one of these researchers by discovering the missing boy bending over and clinging to a small bush, not hanging off of a bush like he was placed high above. Like, the first article seems to implod. Yeah, he's literally just trying to, like, find food. He's not. Yeah, he's like, and he's like, water around him. He's now nourished. You know, like scavengers do, you know. Yes. Yeah, he's not, like, left there and by some weird creature. And the other thing is, too, is he paused. Well, we'll continue. He then goes on to say, I doubt he thrust himself onto the bush to hang there. And again,

another argument from personal, like, incredulity and an example of Paulitis reading way too much into an article, it's no 1892 sources suggest Barofthi thrust himself onto the bush to hang there. The St. Louis post-dispatch states the boy was bending over and clinging to a small bush. The boy was standing on the ground. He was not thrust and he was not hanging from the bush. So again, you're already getting the wrong picture painted for you. Also, the concept of hanging from a bush, it's more you're laying in the bush because it collapses. Yes, exactly. See, that's the image I had even, too, when I first read hanging from a bush. Is it hanging from a tree? Fine, I get it.

Different. Yeah. Hanging from a bush, you were literally just in the bush. You're not hanging at all. What are we, what are we actually talking about? Like, the cat? Like, the little... The hang in there kitty? Yeah, little hang in there cat. Yeah, that's what counts. I think what the problem here is that the story we have been told is one that sounds much more dramatic and much more done for the purposes of selling an idea. Even if that's not what was attempted to be done here, it's definitely what it sounds like when you see stuff like this.

I'm very curious, when was this book written? Because I always wonder about the availability of records. Yes. Because the older stuff is the harder it is to... Because everything's on microfiche, which by the way, that was a thing, kids. Or you had to go to the... Not that long ago, man. It was 2012. Never mind. 10 years ago. You could have Googled this shit. Yes, you could have Googled it a hundred percent.

Nah, you could have Googled this. Yeah, and this is not like the late 90s or the early 2000s. This is in the internet age and honestly, it's because of the internet that Missing 411 is as popular as it is. Moving on to the... Somewhere George Norrie's like, it was me. I did this. George Norrie. Then he goes to say, it almost appears to me as the boy was being carried through the swamp that gets being ripped and scratched. Again, because it is inability to understand why Barofsky

was found in a swamp is not evidence that the boy was abducted by someone or something. The source material does not say that he was carried. Him being carried is Paulitis interjecting that. That's not how it was even remotely found. And when he says he doubt he found, he doubt he placed himself in the middle of the swamp, that's again, that's just Paulitis' inability to imagine a certain scenario. Doesn't mean it did not happen. When you are lost, you are lost and some people who are lost end up in swaps. Yeah, I don't want to read too much in the article, but I think what it's again, this is,

you know, 1800s English. 1892 language, yeah. The clothing of the child was torn, wet and soiled, and there were scratches on the body and the legs from which the blood flowed. The skin and some of the flesh had also been torn from its legs. So its little hands were painfully lacerated. So basically the legs, the hands, things that would be, I'm scrounging, I'm walking through a swamp, I'm grabbing things to- For four days in the 1890s. And it was thunderstormed for two days, they said. Heavy rain for two days. So I would imagine

that this kid is soaking wet. His skin is, you know, like wet ass skin. You know how that would be after like an hour. Wet ass skin? Wet ass skin, get me that wet ass skin. You know what, we get all like shriveled up, you know what I mean? Okay, yeah, all right, yeah, pruney boys. If you're in the rain, constant rain for a long time, your body is just gonna, you know, it's just like the same thing.

You rip entire like paper. Yeah, and so. You pruning out, dude. Yeah, you're pruning out, and I can understand pruning out equals you rip a little easier. Yeah, in little scrapes, your skin peels off so much easier when you get like a little cut. He's going to be missing skin. Again, things that are conveniently ignored or left out. And then at the end, you know, the rest of that paragraph is him continuing his story.

Like he's saying as the researchers got closer, the boy was placed safely on top of a bush, and then the suspect likely escaped. Again, that's all storyline. He's concocting a narrative he wants you to believe. And it puts you in a creepy mood. And like if these were like books of fiction, then yeah, and they kind of are their real missing persons cases, but they're manipulated to be way creepier than they actually are. Nature's creepy in and of itself.

Don't make it any worse. The next missing person we're going to talk about is a man by the name of Earl Somerville in 1957. This one in particular is kind of a egregious example of really important information left out of the story being told. So he was 48 years old when he went missing in Minnesota. Hunter Earl Somerville went missing in northern Minnesota near the Canadian border in November of 1957. Somerville had left the Clayton Peterson Lumberyard camp near Lowman to hunt Gruess.

When he failed to return, a search was then initiated. The 48 year old hunter had a dog with him at the time of his disappearance. And Paulie, this is next from his book. This is an excerpt from his book quote. Somerville left the camp and headed into a swampy area to hunt Gruess. He was never found. Authorities from the United States and Canada searched the border area and they had assistance from employees of the Minnesota and Ontario paper companies.

Temperatures in the area of the search at night got down into the 20s. Searchers felt that Somerville could only survive a few days because of his experience in the woods or rather he could survive a few days because of his experience in the woods. So that right there is the you know an excerpt from the book. Again, pretty much right after the last one that we went through. And we we hear the story of a man who just disappears. He's a known hunter. He knows the woods well.

There should be no reason he disappeared and not come back. And we never know what actually happened to him. With the very important exception that that's not true. We know what happened to him. We know what happened to him because because for whatever reason Paulie does either. A didn't do enough research and didn't find this or B purposefully cherry picked and didn't put this in his book because it no longer fit his story. Both not looking good.

Yeah, he was alive. Not only that he was found in three days. And this is the article from the St. Cloud Times October 6th of 1957. Jesse or Alex either one you may read this newspaper quote. A lumber camp worker missing since Sunday in Muskeg Wilderness 40 miles southwest of here where he had gone to hunt grouse was found shortly after 8am today. He was reported in good condition. Several cars carrying searchers parked along a woodstruck trail

about 18 miles southwest of Lohman, Minnesota started honking horns. Summerville shouts were then heard. He was found about a half mile from the trail near the Black River. Searcher said he was in good condition and apparently none the worse for three nights in the wilderness. Yeah, so he was found. He was not a missing person at all. That's whack.

Like that's why I even include that because I I have that good question. I can't posit the reason I can only speculate. But that just completely negates an entire entry into the book. This man was fucking found. But you know, according to his book, he's not. So again, he either a didn't do enough research and is very quickly pumping these books out. Or B, he's neglecting information because it no longer fits the story he needs to tell for to be missing for one one.

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These two young girls went missing during a storm and Kathy was found a couple hours later, not far from her house, and Sarah was found the following day some miles away. And we'll go through what he says and then we'll kind of talk about it as we go through it. On June 5, 1956, at 11.30 a.m., Sarah and Kathy were outside the Thomas residence when a severe thunderstorm hit the mountains. A June 6 article in the Desert News had the following statement about finding Kathy, two hours later at 1.30 p.m., Kathy was found 300 yards from the Thomas home. So that's, yes, that's 100% correct so far.

Searchers knew that Sarah didn't know the area and were surprised she'd leave her friend, but they were also puzzled why Kathy couldn't explain where her friend went. It's important to keep in note that Kathy, who was three, the three-year-old, was found hysterical but unharmed from the messenger and choir of June 8, 1956 by rescuers two hours after she was missing. Yeah, she went from two hours she was found. There were no sources that I could find or that this particular, this other, I call them a journalist, could find that supported the claim that rescuers were puzzled that Kathy could not tell where Sarah had gone. I mean, I couldn't find any newspaper articles that would claim it, but there weren't,

I mean, there's only like a couple of clips, so there's not any evidence. I don't know where he got that descriptive idea that they were puzzled. Sometimes you just need somebody to be puzzled, so you just. Yeah, exactly. You need to massage it a little bit, walk in the flavor. Kathy was three years old and hysterical, an associated press article published in Palladium Item June 6, 1956 states, quote, Kathy didn't provide any indication where Sarah was, only she sobbed and pointed toward the mountains. We also couldn't find any sources that said rescuers were surprised Kathy was left by herself.

The article in the Messenger Enquirer states, quote, Sarah's parents said she may have been frightened and confused by a thunderstorm. They said she is high strung and nervous from the kid's parents herself. So the kid was going to freak out. Paulides continues in his book to say Sarah did not make any statements about where she had been and what had happened during her disappearance. And this statement is 100 percent incorrect. The Messenger Enquirer on June 8, 1956 continues and says, quote,

when a thunderstorm came up, Sarah told the younger girl to stay where she was while she went back to the cabin for coats. She took the wrong direction and wandered into timber, wandered into a timber. Salt Lake Tribune on June 7, 1956, even, quote, Sarah saying, quote, I would walk a while and then I would sit down and rest a while. And sometimes I would sleep. Then I would walk again. And all the time I was calling for my mommy and daddy.

Damn, just again, another lie that she did have completely not what really happened at all. Correct. Why does he have to make the claim that she didn't make any statements? Like why once again do that? Are we left with again? He didn't actually do enough research or he's leaving things out. We don't know. We don't know.

The next part of Paulides' statement is it seems unusual that two small girls would separate one would separate. One was found 300 yards from home and another was found five to six miles from the same location, especially for a three year old. And again, what the key word here is what makes it unusual? Why is he using the word unusual? The girls got separated when Sarah made the decision to go get some coats. We learned that from newspaper articles.

This is clearly stated in multiple articles. And if you don't know why the girls got separated, then how can you claim, quote, it seems unusual that they got separated? You can't. That's just that's not true. Paulides also claims that Sarah was three years old, but she was not three years old. She was seven years old. The Salt Lake Tribune on June 7th of 1956 or eight years old, depending on the newspaper,

because they look a color eight years old in the Desiree news of the same date. There are even pictures of her. She looks nothing like a three year old. You can go look at photos of this girl. She's just I'm this is why I got so frustrated the more I was putting this episode together because it's just like, why? Why are you doing this? Can I posit something?

And I'm very curious. Please do. This feels like the last great attempt at something we've done or looked at frequently on this podcast, which is like a dude running in a newspaper that he found a lost tribe living in, you know, the desert Egyptians are here in America, that kind of thing. And you can just say some shit and then people will believe you and they can't really look up anything to prove you wrong, at least in your lifetime. Right.

And this case feels like one of those things where it's 2012 going to write some stuff, going to get a coast to coast interview. And now he has had, he has had. Yeah, of course he has. That's how I know him. And we literally can just Google. All right, let's look this up. A hundred percent live in a even 10 years separated.

The information age has exploded in ways that we would never have even seen coming. Yeah. And I think this is one of those things where now you can look up all this detailed factual information and just be like, yeah, no, no, I'm not going to buy this. I'm not going to buy your Egyptians in America. I'm just going to buy any of that because there's no evidence of that. And what you're doing is twisting facts and like writing stories, which are interesting. There's certainly something super fascinating about people just like up and vanishing.

Yeah, super interesting. But it doesn't mean that what happened is what you were saying happened. But then can you crank out nine books? I don't know. But that's just me. That's just a me thing. That's just a me thing. Again, I don't, I don't, I don't shit on the making of a book.

I shit on the lies trying to be passed off as truth. Just just write the actual missing stories, dude, because the missing stories are fucking fascinating or or or literally hate out here's here's here's my here's my for anyone out there. Here's my writing prompt. Enjoy. You can have this one for free. People start going missing. In fact, entire cities go missing and the world starts to panic.

What does it mean? Why are they going missing? People start wondering what's going on with it. People are vanishing. People start thinking, is it based on the number of people in a city? Is it based on the type of people like all sorts of crazy psychological things? And in the end, it's based on nothing. People just disappear.

That's even more horrifying. Yep. Anyone can disappear. That's terrifying. That's existential. You're welcome. It's a nice writing. If you have an idea, write it on our Reddit.

I'd love to read it. Maybe one on a mini soda or something. That'd be awesome. 100 pages minimum. No, I'm okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Or I'm not reading. If you write a 200 page one, Alex will read it on the

mini soda 200 page. A page a minute. If you write a 200 page story, I'll read. I'll read the whole thing. You have to do a script. It has to be a script. Yeah. Okay.

I'm down for that. Three person script. We want a 200 minute actual script. A 200 minute radio play. We have paid for nothing. We get to use it on our mini on our mini soda and make money off of you. Okay. That's called shilluminati.

The missing. The missing. Yeah. The missing nine to two. Me so 200. It's locked in. The missing 200. You're welcome.

That's the name of the show. Even better than episode 100. So again, we'll pick back up. We'll just get back on track, gentlemen. The ages were wrong. The reasons were wrong. The fact that the girls wouldn't say anything were wrong. And he goes on now to kind of build his narrative where he says children are

usually scared in thunderstorms, but the behavior of these girls, of these two girls defies common sense. And the answer, the question is how, how is what they're, what they did in that moment defying common sense? Sarah ran off to go get some coats and Kathy was hysterical, which is fine for a normal little kid who is already notably nervous. How is being hysterical during a thunderstorm? Unusual or defies common sense.

It doesn't. It doesn't at all. Bloodhounds then he goes to say bloodhounds didn't find the girls in the weather during the disappearance was atrocious. The girls went missing because of the disappearance, because of the weather in the thunderstorm and because of decisions made by Sarah. Politis kind of gives his readers the impression that more than one bloodhound was used, but this is not the case.

Tucson citizen wrote in 1956 on June 6th that quote, Sheriff Carl Enlo said the one bloodhound available to searchers was hampered last night by fresh rain. And the fact so many persons had tampered or trampled the area. The dog owned by rancher Roy Thomas of Golden managed to pick up the girl sent several times, but just as frequently the trail was lost. So again, that's not true. He's implying things that aren't necessarily true.

And the final bit is that he goes to say, How did three year old Sarah, who's actually seven or eight, managed to get five to six miles from the point she was lost last seen in total darkness? Again, that's not her age. She claims Sarah managed to get five to six miles from the point she was last seen in quote, total darkness, but it is a little bit hard to understand why he wrote that sentence. Because in the NAAB page 406, he acknowledges, this is another, his other book, he acknowledges Sarah and Kathy went missing at 1130 AM, which is during the daylight.

The sun is in its highest position in noon, even in Colorado. And the girls went missing in June when days are long and nights are short. If Sarah wandered the entire distance in total darkness, it means she must have been walking around from 10 p.m. And this is not the Clay case as pointed out by Paulitis himself. And he refers to an article in Hutchinson's news, Harold, that says Sarah was found five to six miles away. And it is correct.

The article says this, but different articles say different things. Spokane Chronicle for existence, for example, states that she was found three miles east of the cabin, where the Dixie family was vacationing. The desert news one says that she was want. She wandered into a ranch house two miles from where she disappeared, shortly before noon Tuesday in the midst of a thunderstorm. The Chicago Tribune says she reappeared three miles from where she had set out

for a walk from the mountain cabin to which she and her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Carl Dixon of Brownsburg, Indiana had come for a vacation. So all the articles say all different things. Why is what? How do we know which one is correct? I think that's all of those. Yeah, I think that's a more interesting problem here. Yes, it's just completely different information.

And honestly, if I was Paul, I'd straight up just be like, this is the problem. All the articles say different things. And that's why this is a. Why isn't that so much more solid of a thing to say? Yeah, to attack that rather than be like, it was something that took them. Just be like, no one knows what happened.

Look at all these people. They're guessing. That's how weird and bizarre it was. Is this disinformation is like, I can do this for him. It's crazy. You know what? Don't get this isn't for you, Paulitis. You're a transphobic asshole.

So I don't care. But any of our listeners out there, if you want to write about missing person's book, there you go. Take this. This is the interesting shit is already in there. The historical interesting shit is there. And we're by reading his books, you're not getting that. You're getting a very small piece of the actual story happening.

And it's not an accurate depiction of what is really going on. It's filled with lies and weird storytelling. OK. We've got one more. It's whackedastic. We've got one more. And this will be the very last one that we talk about in this episode. And this will be the final chapter of missing for one.

I will not be returning to this topic anymore after, you know, learning a lot of the stuff I did. This is going to be the bookend onto our little weird four part ish series. So missing person. Last missing person we're talking about is Alfred Bishop from 1926. He was 28 years old and went missing in Vermont. The 28 year old Vermont hunter, Alfred Bishop, went missing on November 3rd of 1926.

In the morning of November 4th, Bishop's body was found by his brother-in-law, Morris S. Gallagher, in the snow beside an abandoned road. Bishop's rifle, coat, and gloves were found in the area. State Attorney Robert R. Twitchell of Woodstock initiated an investigation and an autopsy was performed. Paulitis quotes an article published by Lewiston Daily from November 4th 1926 saying, Bishop's body was found beside an abandoned road in the woods

near the summer camp of Attorney, Attorney General John G. Sargent. There were evidences of a terrific struggle in the snow, which was beaten down a distance of 60 paces about the body, strewn about in indifferent directions where Bishop's rifle, coat, and gloves. Then Paulitis goes to say, and this is in the book we've been using the whole time, Eastern US, page 265, quote, Alfred's body was sent for autopsy. The Bridgeport Telegram had an article on November 6th

that described the autopsy result as, quote, an autopsy was performed today on the body of Alfred Bishop of Felchville and failed to dispel the mystery of the young man's death during a hunting trip Wednesday. No, Felchville, isn't that a great name? No external marks of violence were disclosed by the autopsy. Later in the same article, it had this describing the area where Alfred was found, quote,

the snow had been trampled over a considerable area, and there was every evidence of a terrific struggle. Now, this sounds kind of like a mystery, and that's kind of where it was left. And like less than a week later, the mystery was solved. Yes, this case was solved in 1926. So what happened to him? What happened to the mysterious man?

What attacked him? Was it an invisible predator, an interdimensional being? Did he get attacked by government spooks and beaten? What happened 95 years ago? Well, the answer is no one actually attacked him. And the Vermont Journal from November 12, 1926 states, quote, the absence of blood stains has puzzled the state's attorney who declared that if it were not for the lack of them,

he would be inclined to believe Bishop had been the victim of a murderous attack. An autopsy decided that dilation of the heart had caused his death. Fucking had a fucking heart attack. The guy died in the woods because his heart gave out on him. He was probably struggling because he was stomping all over the place and dying a probably, unfortunately, not a peaceful death. The problem is, is once you get into the world of conspiracy. Yeah, you can't get out.

Everything becomes a conspiracy. So just putting on my tinfoil hat, if you tell me, dude was lost on a forest died of a heart attack, I'm telling you either, well, what was he so afraid of that killed him? Or I'm telling you. You can't trust the media. It's not satisfying if you go into something with an open mind and it's not and it's a mundane answer.

Bingo. And people would say, like, you know, well, you can't trust them. They're trying to hide it. The maybe the media is being manipulated. Maybe that's why everybody recorded a different distance for the young girl. But the the the answer is, well, if and even if we just take that statement as it is, then you can't use the newspaper as your evidence as well. Because you can't trust the news.

You can never trust the new. You can't you can't say you can't don't trust one thing, but then continue to use that thing as evidence when it suits you. So it can't be both. And and, you know, Paulitis uses the news. He uses articles. He uses the government's information that I was able to get and all kinds of things. Several newspapers reported on the autopsy finding.

It wasn't just one newspaper. The Express and Standard from November 12th, 1926, stated an autopsy was performed by Dr. Ken State pathologist of Burlington, who was satisfied that death was caused by acute dilation of the heart. But beyond that, he made no statement. Then in the Springfield reporter on November 18th, 1926 states, quote, the death of Alfred J. Bishop, 28 of Reading, whose body was found beside an abandoned road near the summer camp of Attorney General John G. Sargent two weeks ago was caused by heart failure.

It was discovered by officials who investigated in an effort to find if there had been found play connected with his sudden demise. And that's really it, ladies, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. You know, I understand, you know, there might be like, well, your cherry picking stories. There's a ton of them out there. You can go read them. If we'd talked about every single one, we would be here for days and days and days. But even if this was the only examples, it immediately cast out on a lot of the rest.

It's a shame. Yeah, it's a shame. But his book is written and as someone who has read the book, like his book is written like that consistently. Well, he never truly puts, quote, unquote, puts out a theory. He is consistently nudging those to think of crazy theories who then go on to want to believe and defend that missing foreign one is this giant cover up of whatever it could be. It's the same rhetorical approach as when you see certain people on TV be like,

I'm just asking questions. And then they say the crazy shit you've ever heard. And they're like, no, we don't know that's true. I'm just asking questions. Literally, it's this whole defense is like, I'm not saying anything. I'm simply asking questions. But if you read the books and you take a minute to just look at the words being written, that's just not true.

And when if that doesn't nudge you, the fact that one of those stories was just a lie. And just a dead ass lie, like just made up all the other ones. And all the other ones were huge parts of lies. Right. Just take that with a grain of salt. Doesn't mean that the stories aren't fun to read and everything, but they are far more fiction than fact. And that, boys and girls, is where we end the missing 411 chapter of Chilumanati.

No reason to return to it again. It was a fun journey of discovery, of mystery and at the end, disappointment. But that's how it goes sometimes. One day I will be abducted by an alien and I will get fucked in the ass by one. But until then, it's only a story that I am concocting and is not fact. What? Claims. These claims.

These wild claims. We're off to go to Patreon to do a mini-show. Thank you guys so much for listening, everybody. We're here for 103. Yeah, we're out of there, man. We're out of here. I'm going to go. I'm going to leave it at that.

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