Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 167 - The Coronado Group Abduction Part 2: Alien Hot Swap Party

Episode Date: August 27, 2022

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As always, I'm one of your host, Mike Martin, joined by the Smothers Brothers. Yo, from LA. I love the Smothers Brothers. All right, let's go then. Jesse, what's up? I vibe with that. You vibe with the Smothers Brothers?

Love them. Yeah. They got to see this picture of them. They're wearing red suits, very bright. One's holding a classic base. Tom, are you Tom or you Dick? Oh, oh, oh, come on. Come on, I'm definitely the Tom of this situation.

Tom, all right. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Smothers Brothers. Here's my question. Have you never seen the actual Smothers Brothers, Mathis?

Is that before your time? I never heard of them until I saw them on that list. Dude, the Smothers Brothers. I never heard of this. Yeah, I never heard of the Smothers Brothers. I said I picked them because the name was funny. That was wholesome family entertainment back in the day. I don't doubt it.

They look, the picture looked like the 60s. Is that about right? This is like, yeah, it's the 60s. Well, all right, short, short, short. But for me, it would have been late 80s. Yeah, they were everywhere. They were always doing things. Yeah, I would have been like, I don't know,

7, 8, 9, 10, when they were still around. And then I don't know what happened to them. Like all things, I guess I dropped off or they dropped off either way. Let's find out. Smothers Brothers. They had the TV show, and then there was like another version of it, I think,

later when they were like a little older that I've seen clips from. They're still, they're still going. I have the pop culture knowledge of like a 80-year-old man. Like, I'm locked in. Don't worry about it. If it happened in Los Angeles and in any, in the last 100 years, I know about it.

They got fired 50 years ago. Fired? Yeah, they celebrated their 50-year mark of being fired by CBS in 2019 for whatever reason. I don't understand what that's about. I don't know. I can believe that. You see that long Twitter post about the three of us

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You know that both the real body of this podcast is though, Alex. Gross, gross. Yeah, I do. And it's the fantastic, fantastic website which we have. It is called, don't let me get this wrong. It's patreon.com slash shillimanati pod. It's a website.

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But if you are bad parent, you're welcome to. Yeah. I'm excited. Here's my plan for this year. Can I say it? We got an Alex plan already. I'm trying to convince as many people who come to the show as possible to wear a pair

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because I got to go be in a wedding. I'm part of the wedding party. I can't even just like skip it. I got to go. And you know why that is? That's because the Chalunanati believes that love conquers all. Okay?

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to the live show where you're going to do Alex's Big Smile. ChalunanatiPod.com. Don't forget about Alex's Big Smile like I might. Yeah, like you might. And if you like the art and poster that's on that website, don't you worry. If you're at the live show,

you'll be able to get one for yourself. Maybe one of my favorite live show posters we've ever ever had for a show. It's so sick. I wish that there was some like, I wish that we put out like a CD or something so this could be the fucking cover. It's so sick.

Shout out to Sean. Yeah, Sean always kills it. He crushed it again. And we'll see more of his art for the live show, I'm sure. So before we get going, there's one thing I came across that I just wanted to bring up that has really nothing to do with the topic at hand.

However, it was a historical fact and I wanted to know if Jesse had ever heard about it because it fascinated me. Have you ever, it's very, very brief. Have you ever heard of the Erfurt Latrine disaster? Erfurt Latrine? No, I've never heard. Excellent.

So I came across this and it was something I think I came across on Twitter. This is out of Wikipedia. In July of 1184, Henry VI, King of Germany, later the Holy Roman Empire, held court at Hoftag in Petersburg, Citadel and Erfurt. On the morning of the 26th of July, the combined weight of the assembled nobles

caused the wooden story second floor of the building to collapse and most of them fell into the Latrine cesspit below the ground floor, where 60 of them drowned in liquid excrement. Amazing. Holy fucking shit. This event is called Erfurt Latrine de Citres,

which is just the Latrine disaster in Germany. Is it confirmed real? Is this like a thing that we, or is this like one of those stories like, Catherine the Great died banging a horse, which is not true. Several German sources. Let me double check it.

She had a green stone. Oh God, and there it is. That's it. Latrine disaster, wiki. The true story, yeah? This looks real. Yeah, holy fucking shit is what I'm gonna call that. God man, 60 noblemen drowning in shit.

Like that's just the worst way to go, because just too many, too many men sitting up on the second floor. That's hilarious. So there you go. A little historical nugget to open up this episode of Nothing but True Facts. Okay gentlemen, are you ready?

Are you ready? Because today I've- I've never been more ready. I've been waiting for this. I'm so excited for today. Probably about as long as the audience. This is, I'm so hyped for this. I am so pumped that you're pumped because I'm pumped.

So obviously last episode was filled with a lot of fantastical stories. Even I myself do not subscribe to that 12 alien species theory. However, I just felt it important for the next, what I'm gonna say are two episodes, because I've decided exactly how I wanna break this up. And I think it'll be really fun.

So go back and listen to it. It's basically a refresher from, I think what is officially episode three of our podcast. Kind of go over the same stuff a little bit deeper and just kind of give our more updated opinions on it. It just goes over many, many different alien species. Today, however, we are moving to the actual event, the Coronado Group Abduction

that happened in March of 1994 at the Coronado Hotel during a UFO conference who just so happened to be there, not for the UFO conference, but invited by the Scandinavian ambassador, President Bill Clinton and all of his secret service were in the same area during the same time during the abduction event.

Time out, time out. I don't know if you mentioned this last time. I didn't bring up Bill Clinton a little bit, but I didn't really- Well, Bill Clinton's not even like, you're telling me this was a UFO conference and they got abducted at the UFO conference? Yes.

I didn't know that's what this was last time. I thought it was just a hotel incident with Bill Clinton. You're telling me that this was a- It's exactly the same thing as auditioning as a voice actor at Anime Expo. There is no difference. It's the same thing. Amazing.

It's the same thing as playing God of War early at E3. Exact same thing, exactly it. This conference was mostly put together for people who had had histories and run-ins with abductions and whatnot. There was a lot of telling your story to an understanding audience kind of thing, if that makes sense.

Not making money and selling books, but more exchanging and telling their abductions there. Right, right, right. The Mandela Effect subreddit. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. No reason to lie here at all. The other reasons I also want to break this down

into a full three episodes is because surprisingly, for this particular event, there's very little out there about it. There are a couple of books and we'll be using, the main book we'll be using for this episode is the Coronado, the President, the Secret Service in Alien Abductions by Yvonne R. Smith, which is the, we talked a little bit about her

and who she is in the last episode. Go listen to it. This is honestly the best book on this event that I found there's a lot of solid paperwork evidence of doctor appointments and inspections of the people who did claim to be abducted. And it's well worth reading. Like, I will never be able to go through everything in here.

And she does a phenomenal job of laying everything out and going through the event. But before we dive into it fully, let's actually, for Jesse's sake and everyone's sake, lay out exactly what this conference was, when it was happening and what was happening at the time. Dear carbon footprint, who's got America's largest electrified lineup?

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The thing is, and I think you boys are gonna see it too, is as we talk more and more about it, you're gonna see, we've done a lot of stuff on Alien so far and you're gonna see all of those weird little like nuances of alien abductions kind of come back. For instance, if you remember Betty and Barney Hill, one of the weird things about that abduction is they did not understand zippers.

Remember like they were playing with zippers and like on her dress and they just like did not for whatever reason understand zippers. That was a fun detail. Yes. We have similar things happening here where they don't understand what something is and so they attempt to use it and it's just awkward

and we'll talk about it, but we see a lot of those weird little details return in a lot of these cases which. It's like a lot of characters from all the other stories of alien yuvos coming together in some kind of convention. Yeah, it's some kind of weird convention. So with all that laid out, let's start

and we're gonna be talking specifically about one abduction case that really is a nice snapshot of what we're looking at here. But first on the weekend of March 26th and 27th in 1994, the Triad Research Conference Foundation financed by millionaire and real estate magnate, Robert Bigelow, that sound familiar? If you don't remember that name,

he's the man who bought Skinwalker Ranch when we were talking about Skinwalker Ranch. So returning characters coming back. I'm already highly suspicious now. This is like when. Radars are pinging everywhere. Yeah. Freaking out.

Okay. So like when I see Ron Perlman at a comic convention. Yeah. Well, because of him, that the UFO conference was hosted at the world famous hotel, Hotel Del Coronado. A beautiful hotel, by the way. Look up a picture.

The pictures are gorgeous of that hotel. It's an unbelievable place. I've walked on that little wooden promenade. It is like if there was the Shining Hotel, but it was at the beach. It's like if the Shining Hotel was a beach resort. It's exactly what it looks like. That's a nominal descriptor actually.

It's a dead on. This is out in what? Yeah, this is in San Diego, the hotels in San Diego. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the author of this particular book that we're using in the bulk of her research was there during all of this happening. She was one of their lecturers for the conference,

along with Dr. John Mack from Harvard Medical School and an abduction researcher, pioneer, Bud Hopkins from New York. One day we'll talk much more about Bud Hopkins. He's a phenomenal character in the ufology world. He's done a lot of work. And the organizers had asked this author, Yvonne, to be the master of ceremonies.

The real event, obviously, being the conference, but for many others, the real event was the mass abduction that occurred between attendees of said conference. Many, but not all of these attendees, happened to be members of her abduction group, which was the organization she founded called CERO, Close Encounters Resource Organization.

So most of these people that were abducted were already part of her group. She had already been working with them. Again, people with a history of already having encounters, which does fit that abduction thing where it seems like abduction cases kind of follow family. And like... So do you think it's possible that the only reason

that one happened to happen at the event was because they like up to the odds because they just brought all the people that this happens to to one place? It could be that. And we'll talk about this next episode as a closer. There are others who were abducted who have a very traumatic past

where it could just be a hallucination for them. And it might not necessarily have occurred for them. But then we have cases like the one we're going to talk today, where there's actual physical evidence of something weird having happened. I don't know if it's necessarily them showing up and being like, ah, easy.

It's like throwing a net out and catching a school of fish. Or if it's like the president was there and maybe they were just like showing what they could do and it didn't fucking matter. This is a theory I heard on another podcast and I liked it. Like maybe, like I don't fucking know. Like... What should we do?

Fucking show a force. More duck. It's Bill Clinton. We can't just show up. All right. Well, grab somebody else and touch this fucking zipper. I don't know. He played the saxophone on our city hall.

I love our city. It's wild. It's wild that this happened because, you know, it happened at a prominently funded, this is not like a cheap UFO conference. It's a prominently funded UFO conference. This hotel does not come cheap at all. Exactly.

Like it's not cheap. Held in a very famously haunted hotel where people did have some ghostly experiences but we're not gonna be talking about those. If you wanna read about them, definitely grab the book. Hold on. Ghosts? Supposedly, yes.

One. Are aliens. I mean, that's another theory. I mean, it's very possible. Stop this. Cut this out. At the hotel Coronado, ghosts are aliens. Bam.

It's a whole new theory. And at the same exact time that this conference was happening, President Bill Clinton had an impromptu visit with all of his Secret Service agents following him around on this entire weekend getaway, so to speak. Again, he was there due to an ambassador showing up. So that's like the scene.

That's why what happened here. This is so funny to me. Isn't it? It's such a fun story. I'm so excited. I'm very jittery right now. Nobody talks about this case. Like I only found out about this case

through another podcast. Shout out last podcast on the left. Do you think maybe there's a reason no one talks about this case? No, because it reminds me because we talked. Do you remember that Australia case where everybody, all the like a bunch of kids saw an alien landing?

But there's like nothing out there about that beyond like one news interview in like one or two books. I would say Coronado is more heavily covered than that one. And even then it's sorely lacking. Luckily what we have is very detailed. So we don't have to like pick apart a ton and try to like guesstimate what happened.

And also Bill Clinton was there chilling. No, it's crazy. The Secret Service were actually mingling amongst, not like hanging out, but like walking amongst them. The aliens getting ripped with aliens. No, no, no, no, no, the conference members and whatnot. And the author notes to remember Secret Service like walking by and just eyeing her badge at one point,

not like in a suspicious way, but just that they were around and they were very clearly like. That's what their job is. Yeah, they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. Nothing, you know, super weird about that. I just love that he's like a like a background character in the story.

Like when you go see fucking Hideo Kojima and cyberpunk in the first like that's how I imagine Bill Bill Clinton in the story. Like he's just like, I don't know. They just sent me down here. That's cool. And no, it's supposed to meet some ambassador. I don't know.

So I'm not sure. The details are actually Clinton. He had accepted an invitation from US ambassador to Switzerland, Larry Lawrence, who to vacation at his Coronado Ocean front mansion, and he was then going to give a speech at the hotel Coronado that Sunday while the UFO conference was in full swing.

But he was there to vacation with an in bat with the Switzerland ambassador. The U.S. Larry just like hanging out at the Crown Beach, probably getting a blow. You're dying out at Larry's Beach house. Maybe the aliens were fucking Bill Clinton in the back room while he was there.

Maybe that's why they were there. And they decided they wanted some order out after and they just scooped up a bunch of a bunch of a conference weirdos. You think that's what happened? You think it's something? Yeah. Yeah. I think that might be a good.

Come on now. It's a little something. No, I mean, like, yeah, no, it checks out. I'm just saying it is what it is. No, it is what it is. Exactly. I can't get into this. Was he trying to talk?

Was he trying to talk to the UFO people? I do not believe that he was. That was what it was for. Private function. Like a separate event function, his own private event, not to the UFO folk themselves about the UFOs, but it is curious that Bill Clinton

of all people was was there. But today we're going to be specifically be talking about the abduction case of a woman by the name of Alice. Alice is one of the many that were abducted at the Coronado abduction scenario. And much like many of them, she had a small history of weird encounters

with creatures that one could interpret as aliens. In fact, we're going to talk a little about our history, her history right now. Did you call from the aliens lawyers or something? Yeah, yeah, she got an alien lawyer call that you could perhaps refer to in certain circumstances as. Listen, you got to leave everything big

because people, you know, people don't know. Some people believe aliens are demons and vice versa. You know, you got to, you never know. Or like me, ghosts are aliens. When she was asked to recount the events that occurred in her family over many years as she grew up, this is what she had to say. Quote, for over 10 years, 1970s through the late 80s,

Bill would wake up screaming, that's her husband, that someone was near the bed. He would shout, who's there, who's there? One time in the late 70s, he jumped out of bed screaming and ran down the hall. Other times he would just become very anxious before finally lying back down and going to sleep. In the early 90s, Bill had a flash of memory

after seeing Yvonne Smith's presentation at Mufon in Santa Barbara. He stated to me that he remembered there were three shadows short and tall by our bed those nights. In the late 1980s, I always had the same dream. I would wake up and see figures in the hallway coming toward our bedroom. I would get very scared.

Then would remember that we had our two dogs downstairs. And my reasoning would be that no one could be in the house or the dogs would bark. At the end of October, 1993, I went to bed around 12, 20 a.m. And shortly thereafter woke up with a panicked feeling that there was a presence in our bedroom. I remember my heart pounding so hard

that I thought I would have a heart attack. The next thing I remember is trying to scream, but I couldn't. I tried to wake up, but I couldn't. And I remember a bright light coming through my closed eyelids and a feeling of moving very fast as if I was on an amusement park ride.

Then I was able to open my eyes really wide. I was finally awake and I felt very nauseous. Then I fell back asleep. I was very upset. This experience was very distressing to me. In one morning in January of 1994, Bill woke up very upset. He had a burning mark on, quote, his privates.

It was very painful. What's a burning mark? It was, I'm not about to explain to you. It was very painful. And he stated it was as if the top layer of his skin was gone. He also stated that it was a triangular shaped. This mark was about one half to one inch in length.

So he had like a, again, you know, looking back to the Betty and Barney Hill case that we covered in the past, Barney had unfortunate genitalia problems after as well. Now this is more, it seems like something was cut away, not necessarily like him getting sick or developing some sort of like growth or anything. But again, a more painful experience

and he had no memory as to why. He just had a burnt. He got like an acid, acid burn. Yeah, triangular shaped. And he said it felt like the top layer of his skin had been taken off. Like was it bloody? Like was it raw?

It looked, it looked raw. And that's why they, like a chemical burn or like a chafe. Yeah. I would guess like a burn. He said burning red mark. It didn't say it was a burn. It was a burning red mark. He was describing the pain. Okay. So it was red and like.

Triangular shaped. As if the skin was rubbed raw, maybe. Yeah, maybe that's, yeah, maybe like a better way to look at it. Continuing, she says, in March of 1996, I awoke during the night because my right ear was throbbing with pain. This continued until I finally got up

and took some aspirin and fell back asleep. When I awoke, the pain was still continuing at a pace of about one stabbing pain per every couple of minutes. That entire day I had a bad headache, nausea and generally not feeling well. I felt that something was put into my ear as my ear has not felt right since,

feeling very sensitive and hurts often. A few weeks later, Bill was getting dressed when I noticed claw marks on his left arm. They looked like cat claw marks, but we don't have a cat. There were five scratches, red and raised,

and we had no idea where they came from. Now that's interesting because that fits haunting style things. This isn't happening at the hotel. This is all still her home personal stories. And I'm not saying it's from that, could be a tool that was used. Hell, he could have just scratched himself on something

and not remembered it, but it's interesting to pull that out just because people have red scratch marks that appear that claim to be being scratched by ghosts or poltergeists or a demon or whatever. What's crazy is the other day, maybe like three or four days ago, right across my chest,

I had like two big scratch marks. I don't know where they came from. Never once was I like ghosts and aliens. I was just like, where the hell did, okay. What's your best guess? What's your best guess? No clue. Maybe I,

like I don't know. Do you scratch yourself? You maybe you scratch yourself in your sleep. Maybe, honestly, I do not know. And I couldn't tell you and I honestly would assume it's something I did rather than some other outside force, which I think is the difference between myself

and someone like this, where they would see and be like, if I didn't do that, who did? I was like, I must have done that. I don't know when the hell I did that, but I clearly did that at some point. Yeah. And again, I agree.

I think for the most part, I would feel the same way, but you know, putting yourself in her shoes, if she's been having these weird things happen all the time, I could see someone who's already paranoid, jumping to what might be the non-logical conclusion first and then working back, which is, you know, how all these people who believe they've been abducted and haven't actually been abductive

have kind of like built these fantasies or these delusions for themselves. As the biggest hypochondriac of that, I know. God, Googling anything ever just always leads me to cancer. I'm just saying me, I'm a huge hypochondriac and I know how powerful the mind is at convincing you of things that are not even possible. Which is an excellent point to keep in mind

and a reminder that Yvonne Smith here is a doctor and a therapist or what have you, but her specialty is hypnotherapy. Now granted, she went to an accredited college for hypnotherapy, but when we start talking about the regression, but their aggressive sessions, much like we did with Betty and Barney Hill,

you gotta keep in mind that this is happening under hypnosis. We do not unfortunately have the vocal recordings like we do from Betty and Barney Hill. We only had those because their family members released them after their passing. So moving on, let's give now Alice's conscious memory of what she remembers of the Coronado Island experience

without any regression. It was March 1994, Friday night, went to bed. I remember waking Lacey up with one of my nightmares. She had a roommate Lacey who was staying with her also going to the convention, separate beds. The dream that I, so I remember waking up Lacey with one of my nightmares. The dream that I always have

that I'm running and someone is chasing me. I also remember seeing a flash of light through my closed eyelids, woke up with the blanket wrapped around my neck and I didn't feel all well of Saturday. Later found out that I was taken by, and she has encroaches the grays. I had two regressions with Yvonne Smith

which indicated that they were next to the bed and placed a hand on my shoulder. During the regression, my head started to hurt very badly and Yvonne had to pull me out of hypnosis. Lacey states that she saw light coming through the window over her bed. At that point, she noticed that I was then on the floor between my bed and the closet

toward the entry door to our room. I was crying and very upset and trying to hide. I knew why they were there. One of the grays led me to the bed and I laid back down. Then I was taken out the window. Lacey said that she was so frightened that I would not come back and she could hear a man in the next room screaming.

She must have fallen asleep as when I returned this, as when I returned the same way I left, I started crying which woke her up and then she saw the blanket wrapped around my neck. So that's her conscious memory of what happened on that night without any regression. And there's a lot there, like very like scattered. Like-

There is a lot there. I mean, I can go over it again, like any part, let me know. I can give you a, I can copy, paste and send it to you if you want to read it. So they'd been at an alien convention the whole day. No, it was, they got there Friday night. The convention wasn't Friday, it was Saturday, Sunday. So it was the night before the first day of the convention.

Okay. And then they went to the convention afterwards. Yes, but it took them a while to get there because they didn't feel good and we'll get to what happens. But that's, again, that's the conscious memory of what she remembers. Again, snippets, little like she's on the,

she sees her friend on the floor. She doesn't remember her friend getting there. She remembers getting taken out the window and returned. She remembers them looking like you're stereotypical gray aliens, which is another reason I also want to use this as our this episode's experience. And she knew why they were there, et cetera, et cetera.

Jesse, you look like you might have something you might want to want to say, but I'm not sure. No, I guess I'm, there's a lot. So the end of what you were saying is she was gone and then her friend went back to sleep. Is that what you're telling me? At some point, it seemed like her friend, like when she left, her friend went back to sleep

because when she came back, she started crying again and it woke Lacey up and. That's what I'm saying. So the friend, why did the friend go back to sleep? Well, we'll talk, we'll get into it, but grays are, you know, they can kind of just like. Okay, just a lot of questions about like. Traveling makes me tired too.

Like I get sleepy when I am in a hotel. I like to sleep. Yeah. And honestly, for Alice after this experience, it still would be months before she actually called Yvonne Smith and a booked the, and she says booked a booked an appointment, finally having enough courage to call them, come forward and try to figure out what happened through

hypnosis because she just her fragmented memories of Friday night weren't coming together. It didn't make sense. She didn't, she didn't understand what had happened. And at this point, Alice was like to her, at least to Yvonne, Alice seemed not only curious, but very concerned for her other C, the CRO members, the group she belongs to, who also stayed on the island that weekend.

She, like the others said, she needed to know the truth as painful as the truth might be. So she went under her first hypnosis session on December 15th, 1994. I'm going to give you boys the hypnosis session. One of you can be the doctor. One of you can be Alice because of how this works. I have to send you a screenshot of it because Kindle

is restrictive. Again, which one would you say is the Tom part? And which one would you say? Oh, because I don't know who those people are. Good question. You can't ask me that when I don't even know. Solid question. Important question.

Who they are. It matters. It matters. It does. Here's the first part of the conversation. I'm going to give you the second part as well because I had to take two pictures of it. But yeah, it's, it's, I will say Tom is Alice.

Is that okay? Does that work? Okay. All right, I guess I was Tom. Is that what we said? That's fine. That's all right. I'm going to just give you this next screenshot here.

So those are the two pieces of the conversation. Okay, Alice, we are going to be leaving the present time. But just a little while as you allow yourself to go back in time and explore a memory, knowing that this is a very safe time to explore. Now take a deep breath and as you do, allow yourself to drift back to the month of March 1994. At that time, you took a trip with Lacey to San Diego to

attend a conference. Just feel yourself going back to March. Your mind is very sharp and clear. You still got to line, my friend. Oh, is that? I thought that was a stage direction. It is not stage, it is not stage directions, it is just a quote.

Your mind is very sharp and clear, taking deep breath. So when you are ready, just describe verbally what you and Lacey are doing as you check into the hotel. It was old and dreary. We kidded and said it was the Bates Motel. But it was better once we got in there. It grew on us. Alice died right after this.

It's it. She withered away. OK, Alice, can you describe what the room looks like? It's on the third floor and it was bright. There are two beds and a TV. I don't see a phone. The bathroom is so little, but it's fine. We're OK here.

Side note, you will notice Alice complained about the small bathroom multiple times in her regressions for some reason. That's so fun. All right, all right. Let's take a deep breath right now and just allow that day, that Friday, to become later and later. You and Lacey went back to the room after being out socially. You come back to the room and begin to get ready for bed.

Taking a deep breath, just describe what you are doing now as you get ready to go to bed. I shower and Lacey takes the bed by the window and I have the bed by the door. She wants the fan and it is cold, whispering. I'm going to sleep. The stage directions, I guess. There are stage directions.

There are. After a long pause, Alice described seeing something. That's he told you. That's Yvonne injecting third. Well, like later things continue. I don't know. I got a someone's image like there's something in the room. I don't know how it got there.

How did it get there? Where did you see the image? Right in front of me, only for a second. There was a light only for a second. OK, Alice, remember, you're just exploring. Just go with your feeling. Just describe what you were feeling. Do you see Lacey?

Uh-huh. Her back is to me. It says long silence, breathe deeply. Yeah, I was waiting to see if you were going to breathe deeply after the long silence. Oh, man. Lacey is gasping. She woke me up.

My blanket is around my neck. And that's where the first session actually ends. At this point, Yvonne couldn't get her past this point. She was very distressed talking about the blanket and it seemed like she was getting more and more hysterical. So she ended the hypnosis session here and that marks the first hypnosis session. We actually have photos of the room.

It's a very plain looking hotel room with the two beds. It's nothing special. But yeah, this is where she ended up ending it. And we will move on to the next session here in just a moment. But it's the blanket part that we will look at as the thing that the aliens, for some reason, it just didn't make sense to them. This blanket that she had made no sense

and it was just very, very bizarre. They thought it was like part of her wardrobe and just like tied around her neck more cloth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That looks great, actually. It reminds me of my fashions at home. That will totally fuck with her head, bleblahm. That's right.

Imagine that's all it is is just people coming to fuck with us because they're just drunk aliens out in space. I would believe that more than anything else. I mean, it would be very human. More than anything else. It would be very, very human, I feel like, if that was. Well, that's why I feel like. If that was the case.

They're future uses. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are us from the future and they're just like. Which is very possible. I got an idea, buddy. It's very, very possible. OK, let's get you then.

The next session that happens is a couple months later, February 4th, 1995. The holidays kind of came and went. She didn't have time for a second session. So it was a little bit before the next one happened. So yeah, this is session two and take it away when you're ready, Alice. Imagine a sandbox without the box.

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Huh. Huh. Ha, ha, ha. I was choking. I was choking on my own deep breath. It's raining, but the rain stops as we get there. My feet are all wet. I go in the room.

There are two beds. The bathroom is so little. We're putting everything in the closet. Jack and Melanie arrive and I go shopping with them. We go to Seaport Village. It's really nice. Okay, Alice, let's go a little further now. You and Lacey have had dinner

and decide to go back to your hotel. Just feel yourself now in your room. It's very late and you're getting ready for bed. Taking deep breaths now. I'm wearing plaid pajamas. There's some sort of sexual tension between Lacey and I and I just. It's weird, it's really awkward.

But anyway, Lacey's watching TV. Very long pause. I see a flash of light through my eyelids so fast. Like somebody has a flash camera? Bright? I could feel it in my eyes. I love the 1994 lingo flash camera. Oh yeah, good old flash camera.

Just now describe what you were feeling when you see the flash of light. Describe what happens and how you are feeling. I have an image. I keep seeing something in the room. I wonder where Lacey is. I keep checking her. I keep looking to see if she's there

but I keep thinking she's gone. Just describe what you sense in the room. Just verbalize what you were sensing or seeing. It's so, it's so. She moves around on the couch because she's agitated. They're big head. They're big head. What happened?

Perfect delivery. Calm down Alice. Oh my God, hey there Alice. What are you doing? Oh, we're looking for Rocco. Let us know, we're somewhere in the hotel. We're here, he's shacked up with Bill Clinton. It's, I can't say more.

It got in between us. It's next to the bed, between the beds in between my bed and Lacey's bed. It's just standing there. It's one of them. He has big eyes. I keep thinking that some type of, I don't know, some kind of uniform or something on him?

Can you describe the uniform? It just seems like it's wearing something. It's dark and light. Referring to the color. I'm on my right side and I keep checking on Lacey. I have to check her to make sure she's there. Is Lacey there? Can you see Lacey's bed?

No, I can only see this thing. I'm getting a headache. Where does your head hurt? Now, before we move on to the next part, at this point in the session, not only does she indicate her forehead hurts, she begins to cry. She indicates that she's feeling pain in her arm,

like her entire arm, not a spot on her arm. And no matter how much Yvonne pushed, she couldn't, there was no way for her to describe what was causing the pain. She was crying, but she couldn't get at like why she was feeling this pain. But in a couple of times in the hypnosis, she does shout out, I'm not supposed to remember.

I'm not supposed to tell you. Which is, again, interesting because people tend to forget their alien encounters a lot of the time. And one of the theories, and I don't know if it's true or not, is again, the brain can be looked at as like a fleshy computer. And if they are, you know, however millions of years

ahead of us technologically, if the grays are more machine than biological or anything like that, they know how to interface. They might not do a great job at it, but maybe they can quickly, you know, do something to block a memory. But again, that's obviously in the more spiritual look at aliens.

I don't know how you would describe that. The mushroom look at aliens, maybe, or like the sci-fi. The mushroom look, yeah, all right. Yeah, that's your description. The hippie-dippy version. But it's interesting that she's actually verbalizing that it seems like she's unable to do so. But yeah, from then on, you may continue.

Now, Alice, you are doing fine. You are safe now and just reporting what is happening. As you're lying there and you take a good look around your room, look towards Lacey's bed and just tell me what you're sensing or seeing. I can't see her. I don't know. I keep thinking she's gone.

I have to check on her. Oh, she's there. But I don't think she was there before. What made you think she wasn't there before? I don't know. I keep opening my eyes to look to make sure she's there. And I don't know why she's sleeping, facing me. Now, another interesting note here

is Lacey was going through regressions as well because she was having fractured memories of that whole night as well. And it was the other way around with her. Lacey would say she was in the room and that Alice was missing and that she couldn't see Alice in the room. So they were both having similar experiences

when it came to the other person's presence within the hotel room itself. Who knows? It could be, the, the, Yvonne goes on to speculate that it might be denial by them. They could also be subconsciously unable to face the fact that they were both truly abducted and that was a traumatic.

So they like block it out. Who knows? You may continue. Unless you have something else to add, you may continue. As you look around the room, Alice, do you still see that person standing between the beds? I see an image in my head of whatever it is. I don't know if it is still there,

but I think it is. The room is dark. I'm so tired. I don't feel good. Just take a deep breath right now and let's back up just a little bit in this memory. Become aware of the pain in your head and your arm. Keep feeling it and just describe what is causing that pain.

I don't know. I don't know. It hurts. It aches. Then she starts crying. You are doing just fine, Alice. Just get a sense of the room. Do you feel that person is still there between the beds?

Yeah, up by my head. Close, extremely close. Just looking at me, it won't go away. Oh, it's leaning over me. I have a headache. I want to go away. My head hurts. My arm, he's touching my shoulder.

I see his hand. Good job, boys. I'm so proud of you. Don't worry. I'm just looking for my friend, Rocco. No big deal. That stupid little boy. He's caused me so many problems.

A phenomenal performance. I appreciate it. We got more coming along the way. We got a small break. Have you seen William Jefferson Clinton? Yvonne continues on at this point to note that right around here, it once again became painfully slow in the session.

And I also want to point out, too, about Yvonne is much like the Betty Barty Hill case. She's, I appreciate, you know, hypnotherapy, aggressive therapy is already a very wishy-washy kind of method already, because as we talked about hypnotherapy, back in those episodes, you can very easily, accidentally plant a memory that doesn't exist, influence their thoughts, you know,

make them believe something's not real. And I, you know, Yvonne is very good about just trying to be general in what she's asking, not specifically saying like aliens or anything, just constantly guiding her to describe what she sees, describe what she feels, which is good, because if it was anything else, it would throw much more doubt into all of this.

Yeah, so it seemed to her that Alice was having some sort of like weird tug of war of trying to like explain what's happening, but still not able to explain. But at least she recalled a little bit more this time, chipping away at what, you know, the iceberg of what is sitting under the surface for at this point. And Yvonne continues to say that it's interesting

for her to note that even when she suggested to Alice that she was coming back to the present time, she continued to describe the being, leaning over her and touching her shoulder. It took her several minutes for Alice to finally concentrate on her voice and directions before she fully came back from that hypnotherapy. She was very traumatic.

And I'm actually gonna send you a picture of the sketch of what she said, how close he was. This is right out of the book. Who drew the sketch? She did? I don't know who drew the sketch. I think she described it and this was just like a sketch that was done for the book.

Oh my God. Just a typical gray. I mean, what you're seeing there. It's like cinematic. Yeah, it's just like a gray face in your face. And that would set me to panic if that's what she was seeing. You saw this, you would be like. Well, I might be rock hard,

but I'm like a tear going down the side of your eye. Why are you? I want to point out that I did not say the part about his penis. No, I did. Yeah, 100%. If you come to the live show, you might hear a lot more. You will.

That's what I'm worried about. Everyone who comes to the live show, they come to like, they're gonna talk about aliens. It'll be fun. And we do. An hour and a half of math is being like, all right, demon or alien. I'm gonna stick my dick in that every show.

And if you're telling me, you wouldn't, you're lying. Last time, last time we did the show, he took off his crocs and put them into sport mode before he started the show. He did do that. He did do that. He did do that. He did leave crocs and before the alien section.

Before the alien section. We put them. I forgot they were weed leaf crocs. Oh yeah. Maybe you want to see those. During the live show in LA as well. The only parachutes he owns, guys. He has no options.

I don't have any other options. He's wearing the weed leaf crocs, dude. They're coming. They're coming to LA. They're part of the show at this point. They're getting on the plane. This explains why we have a majority male audience. It all checks out, actually.

Yeah. Yeah. We like to put out the warning signs. We like to stop it. Bucking the trends, baby. Hey, ladies, I see you in true crime. You show up. Usually I do.

True crime, when we do our true crime episodes, the female viewer statistic demographic shoots up like 20%. But the fact that they don't say around says a lot about the show. They just come back for the true crime. You know what I mean? They just come back for the true crime.

But let's push forward a little bit because we're about to get to the physical evidence that exists, that something happened to Alice that night. That something weird or strange happened. Because during that session as it continued, Alice would continue to say things like, quote, I keep seeing that thing. They wouldn't let me come back.

I couldn't come back. I could hear your voice and I was trying to come back and it wouldn't go away. So that's how she's described as being brought back from the hypnosis that session when she was being debriefed about it. And something, the big thing that we're gonna talk about now is what Alice noticed in her body

when she came back from Coronado in 1994. She says, quote, it was weird because it wasn't like I found it. It was like I was told to look at my leg in that spot. I mean, I was in the bathroom getting ready for bed and I remember a voice saying, check your leg. And I went, oh my God, what is that? I didn't know there was anything underneath it

but it looked weird. It looked like it was a kidney bean shaped and my skin was shiny right under there. Like the top layer of skin was missing. And now I'm gonna give you some photos. Now these are contextless other than they're clearly x-rays for the moment. I'm also going to hand you guys the doctor's papers

from the hospital, the report on the actual thing in her leg. So you have that for a reference. And she couldn't use to say, it happened when I was section director. Roger arranged to do some surgeries with two other patients. And I think I'm gonna hang on a second. There we go, yeah, yeah.

So she saw the thing, kidney bean shaped and she had arranged to do some surgeries to other, Roger arranged to do some surgeries to other patients. And one of the patients backed out. He was deathly afraid that something would happen to him if he had his object removed. So what we're saying is this doctor had multiple people

from the Coronado, the event come to him with something in them. So Alice said, I asked Roger if he wanted to get rid of this thing on my leg. We went to his office and he x-rayed it. And I wondered why he was x-raying it because it was just a little mark. Roger explained it was protocol for his practice.

So he took x-rays and he says, there's something under it and I couldn't believe it. I remember really made me sick to look at it. I don't know why, but it would really bother me. I hated this thing and I really wanted to get rid of it. So when the opportunity came up, I thought he would just be able to get rid of the scar. I had no idea there would be anything under it

until the x-ray came back. I didn't even know there was an object under there. So the reason the doctor says it's part of practice, if you're ever going to cut or work on skin or a body part, you need to make sure that there's not something underneath that can cause problems, et cetera, et cetera. Maybe there is something there. So it's not like a conspiracy reason

that he was checking these things. Yvonne actually speaks with Roger and gets some more details on the actual mark and what it was. And he goes on to say that these reports are on pathology of the sample that was removed from Alice Levy and the date of collection of May 18th, 1996. We used multiple laboratories

and accumulated a large amount of information which we separated and then put in categories afterward, looking for similarities and differences between the different laboratories, which makes fucking sense, it's science. Alice had approximately a three to four millimeter oval-shaped lesion on the front of the calf of the left leg and was slightly pinkish in discoloration,

indicative of a typified mark seen in abduction patients. The, again, like a very small mark. Now you guys have the photos. There's one of the X-ray and one of the leg. You can see the mark in the leg. It's black and white, but you still can see that very, very tiny mark. This mark is colloquially categorized

by the doctor as a scoop mark. This is what he calls these alien, maybe alien abduction marks that he's dealt with. This was also done on an additional patient who had a marking on the shin in the exact same area of the exact same leg. Both surgeries were performed on the same day. First reference to the pathology report 001.004

with specimen number 56365636952 under comments microscopic diagnosis, there is a noted fibrosis with solar elastosis. Now, solar elastosis is the overexposure of skin to large amounts of ultraviolet. This is a significant finding because this patient was a housewife, inoccupation and daily activity

and spent no time with all over sunlight exposure. So in with a very tiny, small millimeter area of her leg, it was very strange that this was one of the findings. There was also no evidence seen in the significant chronic inflammation and no other historiological changes of foreign body reaction, which holds for the other patients

that we have removed foreign bodies in the face of possible non-terrestrial abduction. Basically saying the body wasn't rejecting this thing. There's a millimeter piece of her skin that shows evidence of the fibrosis solar elastosis, which is UV overexposure. And there's no other evidence that it was anywhere else. And two patients on the same left leg

in the same spot on the shin had it and the surgeries for both of them happened the same day. I apologize, my voice is going a little bit. That's pretty fucking wild though. Honestly, like I'm looking at this right now back and forth again and again. And I'm like, is that something? I mean, there was a surgery.

The only thing that's weird is this is like almost two years later. Yep, it's about two years later, 1996. I'm going to send you the next X-ray photo as we continue with the doctor's explanations of what we're seeing, just so you have it. Again, guys, if you have Kindle, you can go get this book, read it on Kindle.

The photos are, you know, from the book. I would, if you have any passing interest in alien abduction stuff and want to look at it from like a, you know, this kind of angle of just examining it from a therapist's angle or doctor's perspective, this book is great. It's phenomenal. Definitely go check it out.

The second report by an additional laboratory also reports the same finding of solar elastosis. And we have another one, which, yeah. And we have another one, which verifies no chronic inflammatory response, which is highly unusual in any foreign body case. It should be noted that below the excised skin legion, a small BB sized whitish gray ball was extracted.

So it is a ball that they're scooping, they're taking out of her leg. Going into alien abduction territory for a second in my own knowledge, this falls in line very interestingly with aliens who are known to put implants in people because when they are taken out, it looks like nothing. It is no machinery. There's no like circuits.

It's always this weird small object that could look like a pebble or a scrap of metal, but the same thing where it doesn't look like the body ever rejected it. The wound itself is strange and makes no sense. And it's very, very interesting. We will continue. Dragon's glass.

Yes, it was made with dragon's glass. Again, the solar elastosis and all that stuff is just important that it was found by multiple laboratories, not just one. And same thing with the actual object itself. One of the other important findings, it should be noted though, in one of the labs, and was a report of history,

history sites, which contains, which contained reflectile yellow brown pigment, which is suggestive of hemo-siderin, which is iron stain of like the blood. Like that's the color that your blood like stains things, I suppose. They say the iron stain confirms the presence of hemo-siderin.

This is a consideration of an important finding because again, it seems to be a standard that we find in soft tissue areas surrounding these quote unquote non-terrestrial implantations. So again, there's the similarities between each one hold 100% true. It's not just one person with this thing.

It's multiple people finding the same things in the same part of the body with the same lab findings coming back. So she continues to talk to him. She's very like kind of raptured by this at this point. But Roger goes on to try and like lay it out in layman's terms. So this is gonna be his best way of describing it

for if in case, you know, you still aren't quite clicking with what he's saying. He says, the solar elastosis was a finding in which the skin has been exposed to an overabundance of ultraviolet light. And when the whole person is not exposed to large doses of ultraviolet light, it is indicative that something created

this overexposure to the ultraviolet light. So in the face of the testimony of numerous abductees worldwide, we had medical procedures done of a non-terrestrial nature. Therefore, possibly is an instrument which can scoop out a small segment of the superficial epidermis, which are the outer layers of the skin

and then seal the wound with ultraviolet. That's why I think this is a very significant finding. This is the doctor's opinion. The other finding here, when we talked about hemo-siderin, hemo-siderin is an iron pigment. It's very similar to what is in the red cells, which is hemoglobin. Hemoglobin combines with the oxygen molecule

within the red cell and is carried about the body given up in the area that's needed. Then a molecule of carbon dioxide is taken aboard within the red blood cell. And of course, the red cell then passes through the lung, gives up the carbon dioxide and exchanges it for another molecule of oxygen. So hemo-siderin is a cousin

to what we find in the red blood cells or the hemoglobin. It's very important because the oxygen nutriment or the circulation surrounding foreign material, not earth-based, is evidently using this primitive mechanism to oxygenate or keep whatever biological tissue that's been implanted alive inside the body. So that's like his best theory as to what's going on and what hemo-siderin is and why it's important.

But he does continue and I really wanna go through all of the stuff he talks about here because it helps kind of put a perspective on things here. Right, but like just for the record, this is- Please, please do. One of many you're talking about that happened at this place?

Correct. So next episode, we're not gonna dive into them as deeply as we're diving into this one. We're diving into this one because it's such a perfect snapshot of what was a regular kind of occurrence of like evidence plus memories plus hypnosis and whatnot. But other people had wildly different experiences.

I mean, like I might dispute- Smoke and ACEs only happened the way it did because he went to that hotel. You know what I'm saying? And part of the reason this is so fascinating is because all this happened to a bunch of people at a UFO conference of all places while the president was around of all things.

I don't know, I might dispute that one case extrapolates to all the cases there. It doesn't, no, no, it doesn't fully extrapolate. But again, it's a good smorgish board of like commonalities that happened throughout. Again, this was not the case for everybody by any stretch. In fact, not everybody even saw grays, which is why this is another fascinating case.

There are people who saw tall whites. There were people who say they spoke with Nordics. There was people who said they were being taken by the praying mantis bug-hailing. I would love to know the timetable for all this because as a standalone event, the two of these people being taken by grays or whatever is interesting.

But all of it together and then the timeline of them discovering all this information being a year, two years, et cetera, after the fact. After the initial event, was everyone talking about this? Did they all communicate about like this? Because I have to imagine over time, all this becomes more corrupted and more twisted by the fact that now everyone has other ideas

of what occurred and like, I don't know. It's interesting as hell in like as a standalone thing. But the minute you put in the context of like everyone that was getting abducted, then suddenly even this becomes shaded by that. I will, I can answer your question immediately. They all started talking about it the next morning. When they all woke up feeling sick,

no one like, they were not coming out for breakfast. People were knocking on their doors. And then when they eventually did all come together, they didn't say like aliens. Everybody's like, they fully immediately remember. They were like, did you have a weird night last night? Yeah, I don't feel great. I mean, they didn't say it, but let's be honest.

They were fucking thinking that shit. I mean, yeah, but I imagine that's like very weird. But that's going to be a conversation for the next episode and not, you know, for this particular one. Again, why I want to do like three episodes on this thing because I think it's worth really pulling this apart as much as we possibly can in, you know,

three hours essentially or two hours. So, okay. So yeah, that's continuing moving forward. What else the doctor was saying is that, you know, Alice asked her to interpret the second report that he received from the laboratory. So again, this is his interpretation of what the report findings say.

He says, well, this is a different laboratory. Again, we use multiple labs as I originally stated to look at the results because different people, different experts in the field looking at the same thing might see something else. Now, it's significant here that they also noted fibrosis with solar elastosis. Again, as I stated before,

solar elastosis is an overexposure of ultraviolet. So this is an additional same finding of another lab in the fibrosis. When they talk about the laying down of fibrous tissue around the foreign body, which is not necessarily a rejection or inflammatory reaction, it's just something that maybe stabilizes the foreign body to keep it from flopping around.

I think it's more intentional in these cases than something you get when the body is trying to repel an object. He's saying that just when a body is typically trying to repel it, it's looser in there. There's more wiggle room for it to kind of get out. And these are like... Whatever they did made them welcome it basically.

Yeah, exactly. They welcomed it in, soldered it down, that kind of shit. They were also looking over the x-rays at the time. And he goes on to say that, as you know, x-rays are only good for looking at objects which are more radio dense than the surrounding bone. These x-rays here are marked so we can see

the area of involvement and they don't particularly show that there is anything there. Which again, as I showed you that picture initially, should answer your question, Alex. We have one here with two arrows to mark the area. This one does show a slight round area in the middle of the two arrows, which is indicative of something within the soft tissues

apparently not normally there. This is another one where we found two small radio dense areas and these turned out to be an artifact, which means they're not real and only appear as a defect in the emulsion of the film. So, you know, false positives do happen, is what he's saying on these x-rays. But then she goes on to ask like,

when you say they're not real, what does that mean? He says they are not real as far as an object, but could have been a little mark or defect in the film or emulsion covering the film. There is, this is another of the leg, which apparently doesn't show very much with the marker indicating where the lesion was. And on this one, we have little markings here,

little spots that we can see, which are all over the film. So those are artifacts again. We also took x-rays of Alice's foot looking for something, but these were also negative for foreign bodies. The true foreign bodies were seen in the CAT scan and even those were not, didn't jump out at you, in other words. So the idea is like they're like stealth mode.

Yeah, so like an x-ray isn't gonna pick them up very easily. The only way they actually saw it under the skin was a CAT scan. So, you know, yeah, exactly, stealth mode. You gotta work a little harder to find it in the skin. But he said, even in the CAT scans, they weren't mega obvious, they didn't jump out at them. He said, in other words, the grayish white ball

that she had was more or less a shadow that we saw beneath the skin, which we didn't expect to see in the first place, but the intent was to go in and remove the entire lesion of the skin because she was going in to fix the scar initially, which was a scoop mark to see what in the heck makes scoop marks.

The x-rays we did, just to see if there was anything underneath, and we did, we found what looked like a little grayish white ball of calcium, but it was not calcium. I think it's important in this case, as far as Alice is concerned, it should be noted that two surgeries

were done on the same day. The other one was on another female of approximately Alice's age. She also had a scoop mark in the exact same place that Alice had, and she also had a little whitish gray ball that was removed at the same time that we removed the superficial lesion. In addition-

Where are those now? What? Where are those little balls now? Well, we'll keep going, because they got it sent off for testing, and we'll tell you what the test broke down into. In addition, she had a bout of pain at exactly the same time as Alice,

which was approximately two months following the surgery. We were both engaged in different activities and both called because they had a certain bout of pain in the surgery site. I don't have an explanation for it. They shall remain one of those mysteries, but it indicates from what we know linkage between these two individuals.

Maybe the ETs were messing with one, we're also involved in the other, but that's just a guess. He continues to say, we should say from a medical standpoint and a psychological standpoint that Alice is essentially normal, and she did have a few blood findings

that are indicative of high cholesterol, but hello, she is a normal, regular person, and essentially in good physical health. And so was the other individual who had the same marking. It is also interesting to note that the lab reports are almost identical to Alice's. Of course, I don't recall if she also had an elevated cholesterol,

but she was certainly within the physiological norm, lab-wise and health-wise, but the solar elastosis was there too. It was so amazing to see that in two individuals. Holy crap, my voice is disappearing. That is wild though. That is genuinely compelling. It's fucking wild.

It's genuinely compelling information. Yeah, and I appreciate him going to clarify and being like, this doesn't mean this, but here's my personal opinion. He's not injecting his opinion of what's happening as the right opinion. He's approaching it both as a doctor and then his own personal opinion.

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Hoy en Macy's. Ahorros sobre precios regulares en oferte liquidación, aplican excepciones. Alice's Surgery and that of her counterpart. Both of those surgeries were under local anesthetic. They did not have any general anesthesia and they experienced the surgery well. Also, the physiological aspects

was in the norm prior to the surgeries as was in relative norm following the surgery and the doctor says he doesn't remember specific comments that Alice made but he says he thinks she might have talked about relief knowing that this was finally gone and out of her body. Like the lesion was taken care of. So he felt good, he said he kind of feels like

it was nice to give abductees a newfound feeling of freedom, essentially. Now, we do have the report of what this thing was. And it's interesting because it's nothing special. I will give you the report here. Let me just go over it. The person who inspected it was a professor of geology R.K. Smith is the man.

The object taken from Alice Levy's leg was delivered to the Earth and Physical Science Lab at the University of Texas in San Antonio for analysis by X-ray diffraction, XRD. It was then analyzed by geology professor R.K. Smith. XRD is a technique which measures the diffracting of X-rays of known energy through the layers of atoms in a crystalline sample.

This analysis can provide information on the spacing of the X-rays and therefore the atomic and molecular structure of the material being analyzed, which kind of goes back to last week's mini-sode where you talked about keeping something in a state where atoms have to line up in a certain way to be liquid or solid.

That's what this is actually literally talking about. Yeah, this is literally talking about how they're trying to figure out what it is. How are the atoms aligned, et cetera, et cetera. So the results of the XRD analysis indicated that the material which the object is composed of is a morpheus. It had no crystalline structure

and therefore no ordered arrangement of atoms or ions. This is quite unusual as the vast majority of common substances have some traces of crystalline structure. It is my conclusion therefore that the powdered material collected from the unknown sample is a morpheus and therefore lacks any internal ordered arrangement of atoms or ions.

In simpler terms, he says, one, the object was very hard. Two, X-rays were passed through it, both as an intact object and in powder form. Three, no regular pattern of X-ray scattering were observed, no like peaks of X-rays or anything like that, indicating that the object has a random and non-crystalline arrangement of atoms. And four, this type of structure is often termed

a morpheus or ion. And we have a picture of some of this stuff. This is from 2008. It gives a, I think it's just an example of what these things can look like. Okay. I'm just going to send you a picture for scientific reasons.

Do they, do these things still exist? We'll get to that. I think it's still in a lab somewhere though, is the short answer. I think they do have it. It's not like gone, gone. Okay. It didn't just turn into sparkles.

No, it didn't just disappear into sparkles. Like they have all the paperwork for it. Like it's evidence that it was real, all that good stuff. Whoa. Yeah. This is crazy. So from 2008. This is from 2008.

Yep. That's an October 27th, Northern Arizona University research photo. So they really never stopped looking into it. No. So this continues all the way up to, we're going to jump, that's an object without a crystalline structure,

what would be considered a morphous. It's just a piece of material basically that was pulled from the body that is, you can see how tiny it is. It's like barely an inch long. And they were both like this. They were a little, not like this one in particular.

This is like an example photo. There's were balls. There's were tiny little balls. And I, you know, but now we're going to actually jump to April 19th, 2011, where she was able to take a picture where she was able to sit down with Alice again and talk once again about the Coronado experience.

And let me, this is worth having you guys read. Yeah. This is like the, the last big details is really fricking long. And I don't know if we need to go through all of it, but I would like to go through some of it. So I'm just going to give you some screenshots boys

and you're going to start reading these things for me. You take on the same roles as you once have. This is just a discussion of them talking about what she now remembers of the Coronado experience. And then I am going to give you my final thoughts for this episode. So to speak. This is a,

this is a fascinating case. I agree with you. You got me fucking over here. Again, it's unfortunate how I feel like it's not covered like it should be. So yeah, it's, it's, it's, man, it's, it's, it's, but like, I don't know. I'm in love with it.

Of course there's room for doubt, but that's what makes it so interesting because I'm going to introduce even more doubt next episode, not because there looks like there was shenanigans happening, but there is evidence that some of these people may have been having, you know, true nightmares or actual hallucinations, like just hallucinations.

So this is very clearly a process that's happening here where we got at the beginning, but she didn't remember much. And then suddenly she's remembering things. And now what I'm looking at right now is she's literally telling a story now and. Yes. No, that's why it's important to know this is from 2011.

This is not like of the time. It is a little bit of her memories of like the secret service. Her starting with, I remember that day clearly is to me, the biggest giveaway that this is, it's like when you're told by your parents so many times, you did a thing when you were a kid that now becomes a memory of, Oh, when I was a kid, I did this, but you don't remember it.

You just were told it so many times that that is now your memory. And I am like super sus of this guy. She did have a ball pulled out of her leg though. I mean, I've had crazy stuff pulled out of me. I think we all have. So they are talking about like, I'm not trying to like nitpick here, but like I think they are talking about the daytime right now.

And so she might truly remember that day well, but that night she had, doesn't remember. She went out and had dinner with people. Everybody was excited. She just remembers the day nothing weird, not like necessarily happened during the day beyond the, the secret service being around. But you know, I,

I think this is like worth reading still regardless. I remember that day clearly. I remember heading over there and it started to rain so hard and we were crossing over that bridge over to the island. It was kind of scary. You were dropping off Lacey and I, you were dropping off Lacey and I at our hotel. Because they're all part of the same zero group

attending this convention together. And it was pouring. I remember stepping into the gutter. My foot was wet up to my knee just about. My shoes were wet and Lacey and I got in there and I asked them where the elevator was and I opened what I thought was the closet door and they said, get in.

I couldn't believe it. It was like, I never seen one of those elevators before, but it worked. There's a picture of it. Yeah. It's the actual picture of it. It's got that like rattling metal cage at the front of it. Yeah.

And we went up to our floor and you went with us up to our room for a short while. Yes, I did because they wanted to see your room and we were laughing because you kept calling it the big smoke. Yes. And in the bathroom it was really small, but it was clean. I think Mike and Gina were going to be next to us. But they hadn't arrived yet.

They were coming after work about half an hour later. Here comes Jack and Melanie and because it had stopped raining, they didn't have to unload in any rain. They were in the room up in front facing exercise studio across the. I gave you the lake. The very bottom link is the next page, my friend. Across the street, street.

So they were facing towards the front and we were facing a parking lot. And if you look past the parking lot, you could see the homes on the island. Actually, you could see the street and part of the area where President Clinton was going to be arriving supposedly on Sunday. The house where he was staying. Convention.

Sure. Lovely little convention. The house where he was staying, you couldn't really see because it had gates and it had a lot of greenery around it. It really wasn't a huge lot. It's a typo on their end. It's a huge lot. Huge lot.

But I remember it was a real huge huge house. It was a huge house. Hugh Grant's house. Hugh Grant's home. Two story, but there were gates around it and there were men out there security. They were wearing black suits. Secret service.

They were getting ready. Big head. This Friday afternoon when we came in and Clinton was supposed to arrive on Sunday, I think. So the first time you remember seeing the Secret Service was around that house. Well, actually the first time was later when we saw the Secret Service.

I remember Lacey and I. Yeah, no shit. I remember Lacey and I met you at the Del Coronado. You were going to regress Lacey, but I think we were going to eat dinner first. We met you and went up to your room. And I remember the wild carpeting in the hallway with the big flowers.

I remember my head was feeling weird like pressure getting dizzy. It was a weird feeling. That's why I kept asking you if you were on the haunted floor because it felt really strange there. You know, I'm thinking was by the way they were on the haunted floor. You can't just say that.

You can't just like, oh, there you was. I'm putting that there side information that doesn't matter. You know, I'm thinking you did regress Lacey before we went to dinner. We went into the big restaurant downstairs and they had the tables. It was a huge room. Why do they keep saying that?

It's driving me crazy. I don't know why. I wonder if someone went to control F like an accident. What the fuck? I don't know why I keep saying huge. It's very late because it was not like a dinner crowd at all. So we would have had done the regression first. That was the strangest dinner because I remember we all looked

at the price of the menu and we all went, whoa. It's such a fucking salad with no dinner. And so I remember the strangest things. We got our salads. They weren't you. They were fine. The fuck is this? But I've never seen so many waiters in my life for three girls.

There were, I think three or four waiters. They were standing around our table watching us eat. I remember you commented. You said, my God, we've got so many waiters. I remember you mentioned it because they were standing like at attention around our table with their hands in front of them. And there were three of them. They were watching us.

Lacey started not feeling good. And she said she was going to walk back to our hotel to get, I think, some aspirin. So she left, but she came back when Lacey came back. Well, she had some very choice words if I remember because somebody was following her, kind of pacing her. I didn't believe it until she and I walked back to our hotel and we were followed.

Yes, we had a man in a black suit that was about 20 feet behind us. And he was following us. He followed us until we got almost the parking lot of our hotel and then turned and he was pacing us and following us. He was secret service. Interesting. The next page is already up there for you, Alex, to Graham. So what made you feel or think he was with secret service?

He was dressed in a black suit and he's walking down the street at night following us. I didn't see earpieces, but he had a suit on and the waiters. I mean, I'm not a conspiracy person, but I can't imagine you're not to get the fuck. You might be a little bit of a conspiracy person having like three or four waiters standing around our table. I mean, the presidents in town, you know, everyone's trying to work.

Yeah, exactly. A table when there are other tables with people. They're all waiting on us. It's almost like I have main character syndrome and I'm convinced those three waiters were only focused on us. It was crazy. Anyway, we had salads and they were standing around watching us. You think it was maybe because of what you said that the restaurant was empty?

It wasn't empty. There were people there. It wasn't full, but there were other people. I think we got really good service maybe because you were the MC main character. The following day, I don't know. Lacey and I laughed about it when we were walking back to our hotel. We were like, you must be kidding because that was weird.

And we both agreed it was very strange. I remember you commenting about it because we were trying to talk to you or trying to talk and you felt awkward because Lacey had a regression and you were trying to talk about it and you couldn't because these guys were only about four or five feet in the back of each of us. I mean, they weren't even going away and coming back. They were just there. So what else do you remember from that night?

Okay. So then I remember Lacey and I were getting ready to go to bed and oh, the bathroom's goodness gracious. The bathroom is so little. You know, Lacey, long arms, long legs, right? I got my shower and what happened in this hotel room? I got tiny bathrooms, man. That's the part that really sticks out for my shower.

And I was in bed in my jammies all tucked in and she had the bed by the window and I had the bed by the door and that was the smallest bathroom I'd ever seen. Gina said they're kind of like European bathrooms. They have like a little mini sink. It wasn't a full sink. Then I remember falling asleep and I was wearing red plaid pajamas flannel and I always have like this blanket I bring with me. Just a little throw blanket.

Oh, I throw over my shoulders. I remember going to sleep and I remember a flash of light like coming through my eyelids. I could remember that. And then I remember some kind of a nightmare which woke her up. I think it woke her up because I was like crying and it woke her up. And when I woke up in the morning, I heard her going, oh my God. You know, she was upset because I guess when I woke up with that little blanket I had. It was not wrapped around my neck.

I think she thought I was strangled. She was worried I was dead because it was wrapped around my neck. And that's the example of the grays not knowing what the fuck to do with the neck thing, the neck blanket that she has. And so like there's like I goes here, I guess and just fucking wraps it around her neck and lays her back to bed. That's so weird. My blanket was just around my neck. It wasn't like they were trying to strangle me.

It was more like, here's your blanket. Well, I woke up in the morning and Lacey was talking to me. I think she felt really bad because she saw what happened and she was really upset that she caused it. She felt whenever she went away, you know, things happened to her. So she felt responsible when she saw me with my blanket wrapped around my neck. She has her abduction events typically happen when she travels Lacey's. That's what she's referring to that morning. I felt sick.

I was hot even when I peed. It was like burning hot almost like when you have a fever and everything is burning. I don't know if I had a fever, but I had a bad headache and couldn't focus my eyes. My eyes were really glassy like when you have a fever and you're sick. By the way, can I just keep saying like when you have a fever and they were, they had issues the day before and I was curious. Did they have a fever? We'll talk about that maybe next time again.

Like weird dreams and stuff because they were having a fever, which is a thing that does happen when you have a fever. I've had some weird dreams. We will see my friend. We will see. There is some. I just, I don't know if I put my eggs in the. All right.

I just don't think I do. I remember Mike knocking on the door and saying, you guys ready for breakfast? And I said, no, no, we'll meet you at the little restaurant. There was a restaurant half a block down the street. So I got dressed and I wasn't feeling so good. So I went over to the restaurant and we had breakfast. And I remember Gina saying something about Mike having blood on his pillow. That's the first we had heard something happen to them.

And Lacey, she said she was feeling so much guilt. Like she had brought this upon all of us. Like it was all her fault. In fact, it finally came out and she told me what had happened in our room that night. She said they went right by her that they didn't even want to any part of her. They entered through the window. The bright light was through the window and Mike's too. Mike's light came in through his window.

They came in through the window, which are windows where would have been Clinton's house, where he was staying. If a bright light were shining from there at that house, they definitely would have seen it as bright of a light as Lacey described. It would have been very visible to anybody within blocks and they were within two blocks or less, probably a block and a half. So Lacey said they went right by her and move and over to me. And I guess I saw them coming and jumped out of bed and was hiding in a corner.

Very upset crying. And she said, actually, they were kind of cute, but they stunk. They smelled like sulfur. They smelled really bad. I just want to stop you there for a minute. And it's another very common thing, especially with the grays, is they always stink. They always smell for some weird reason. And she's saying, Mike, Mike wasn't in the room over.

Mike was in a different hotel about a block away and he had a flash of light and an experience as well. So it's important to know that Mike is not like close. They smelled really bad. And the kind that would usually abduct her were more like praying mantis, the taller aliens, but they didn't have that odor to them. So Lacey is typically abducted. Her events typically involved the praying mantis looking aliens. So she already was like, that's why she felt guilty.

She thought it was because of her. But what ended up happening were grays. And she had never really dealt with the grays before. But the grays came and usually came for Alice. So it was they weren't there for Lacey. Lacey was more or less left alone and not taken just to clarify. So question about Alice. So question about Alice.

Yes. On a scale from Jesse to Mathis on shrooms, like. Mathis on shrooms. 100 percent scale. I know at this point, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know enough about her.

Going to a UFO conference with people. Yeah, I think she believes. And she believes she's been abducted. She's full on Mathis. 100 percent. She's a believer for sure. She's definitely a believer. She talks about it casually as if it's actually totally real.

Well, because it's been happening. She's talking about how their breakfast the next day being like, man, last night's alien abduction was crazy, right? Like that's. Well, no, they were all feeling sick. And then they heard about the blood on the pillow, which was like the first time it kind of came up. But even Alice is like, yeah.

Yeah. She's she's always kidnapped by the praying man is ones, you know, the tall ones. Again, those guys, they don't think they're all part of. They're all part of the same abduction support group. People who have had. They're not good experiences. They don't have fun with them, but they all have extremely

familiar. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Sure. Exactly. They've all talked about it with each other. They're all part of the same group.

They're all here at this convention together as zero. So they all know each other. All right. Let's continue. Okay. I'm going to aggress a little bit. When we got back to the hotel from having breakfast with Mike and Gina, I knocked on Jack and Melanie's door to ask Jack if

he was ready to go to the conference with Mike and me. Well, Jack decided he wasn't going to the conference and it was like, what? You paid all this money to come out here and go shopping. And Jack goes, I'm not going to the conference. I'm going to take the girls out for the day. This news was very weird. I thought that was so strange that he did not want to go to

the conference. So I spent most of the time with Mike, although I wasn't feeling well and Lacey wouldn't sit with us. She sat by herself. She pretty much stayed by herself. And I didn't know why until much later when we found out she really felt guilty about what happened to all of us because she remembered what happened.

She shouldn't have felt so guilty. It wasn't her fault. Anyway. And she just completely believes Lacey is what I'm trying. Yeah. She does. 100% she does. She hears Lacey say this and she's like, that's Lacey.

Yes. She truly believes that she believes that Lacey does in fact feel guilty. And because she believes in them and the same mythology as Lacey exactly. Sure. I wouldn't say they necessarily believe in a mythology. They just believe that they are being abducted by what they

think are extraterrestrials. OK. Yeah. They don't believe in the 12 alien races government space opera nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. At least not that they've ever admitted to.

Anyway. They all went out to dinner on Saturday night and I just went to the hotel room. I was just too sick to go back to the conference on Saturday night. It wasn't until Sunday morning when we were all getting ready to leave that I talked to Jack. And that's when he decided to go to the hotel, the Coronado and

go to the gift shop. But he didn't step a foot at. He didn't step foot at the hotel until. Bump bump bump. Sunday. Sunday. And this is all this is the. The last.

Right. Page. Yep. And everyone was getting ready to leave. We didn't really want to go into the conference. And he never saw a speaker. This was really strange because Jack was excited about coming to San Diego for the conference.

He even paid in advance. It was so bizarre. I remember you coming up to me at the conference center and telling me that Jack wasn't coming to the conference and that you were not feeling well. Mike also came up to me and told me he wasn't feeling well. Mike wasn't. His ear was bothering him.

Well. What was weird was that he had blood on his pillow. He said it came from his ear. And when I asked him about it, he said, Oh, no, no, no. I went to the bathroom and hit my chin on a sink. And that's where the blood came from. But then I asked him, Mike, you said it came from your ear. This went on for years.

I would ask Mike to tell me what happened. Same story. Like he was programmed. I went to the bathroom. I hit my chin. I would say, Mike, stop. Think. Stop.

Think about what you're saying. And he actually had to like stop and say, that doesn't make sense. And I would say, hello, I'm telling you, he was programmed because there was no way he said it came from his chin because he didn't have a cut on his chin and his mouth wasn't bleeding. It was clear. It came from his ear.

That's the important part of that is that there was no cut on his chin the next morning. There was no wound on his face the next morning. I'm just saying it was literally, it seemed like he was just saying it. So just important to note. Well, it seems that night Melanie was taken. I was taken.

Mike had an experience. Lacey heard a man screaming in the hallway that she thought was Mike and Jack heard the screaming. I don't remember anything. I mean, they really did a number on me because I can't remember anything except the flash of light. I think what happened to me could have been one of the worst. I'm positive.

Probably 98% positive. That's where I was implanted. I mean, it makes grays are notably not the nicest in their abduction scenarios. That makes sense if they, you know, didn't have a nice treatment because grays don't typically give a shit. Imagine what it would be like if a dog had to like serve you food. Yeah.

It wouldn't be like clean. No. Maybe a dog serving a dog would be fine. But like. Yeah. But not the other way. Or how you serve a dog food. Sure.

On the floor. Or how you get a dog to do anything. Yeah. You know. In 1996, this was two months after the surgery. I remember getting a weird headache that night. I didn't want to go to sleep. I had a feeling that something would happen.

That night. Nothing did. But the following night, July 11th, around 11 p.m. I started to get a bad headache. Unusual on the right side of my face behind my temple and I. I took an aspirin free pain killer. Okay. Gotcha.

I thought it would help the headache and allow me to sleep through the night. I finally went to sleep around 12 10 a.m. Bill was already asleep. Amber was asleep in front of her TV and Angelina was watching her TV in her room. Sometime between 12 15 and 1 a.m. Angelina noticed her TV having trouble with images for a few channels. So. The double images.

Whoops. So she turned off her TV and went to sleep. Amber told me that she was asleep until around 2 45 a.m. Bill said that at 105 a.m. He awoke as a bright white light was shining into our bedroom through the bathroom. And also another light through our bedroom door as it was slightly open. He thought it was time to get up and get ready for work as it was so bright. He sat up in bed, turned on his lamp out of habit.

Looked at his clock. It was 105 a.m. And he thought oh god. Oh good. I can go back to sleep. Then he looked at my side of the bed and noticed that the covers were pulled back and I was gone. When he awoke in the morning, he woke. What?

Yeah, he just went back to sleep. You barely went back to bed. What? What's up? Okay. All right. Okay. When he awoke in the morning, he woke me up asking where'd you go last night?

He thought maybe I'd gone downstairs for some reason. However, I didn't go anywhere. Yeah. He disappeared. He did just think maybe she just went downstairs and just immediately went back to sleep. He wasn't stressed or anything and he wasn't like sitting up waiting to see maybe she had one of the bathroom or something. It was just one of those and he just fell back to sleep very quickly.

I had taken the medication which makes me sleep very soundly and almost nothing will wake me. I didn't notice when I awoke that my right ear hurt and it was wet inside. I swabbed it and then kept the Q-tip for Dr. Lear. I later gave him two Q-tips. All day I was very ill. I had an earache in my right ear. I had ache and my stomach was very upset. I think that's when they discovered the implant was gone and they were pretty pissed off.

Whatever they did to me, they really hurt me because I woke up with a really bad earache. The grades came back for revenge abduction. Punched her in the head. Get in line. I think what they did was say, you know, this one is going in your ear so you cannot get this one out. It was like they were really upset, really ticked off. If people want to have their implants removed thinking it will stop the abductions because it's removed, well it won't and they will put another one in.

And I think now maybe they're putting them in places that may be a little hard to get to. In the morning, we noticed that our dog Snowy had scratched three large spots into the family room carpeting, which is very unlike him. Angelina's TV has acted up since that time. Has acted up? Okay, sure. There's been double image one other time since then. Since this incident, I've been very tired and something just doesn't seem right.

But I'm not sure what it is. I've also continued to have pain in my right ear. You know, a lot of people claim to be abductees, but my story is such that I have the physical evidence. If you look at my story and my history and my brother and my husband, you'll see some of the stuff that he's woken up with too. And things that have happened to him. My story is actually quite unique that there is so much physical evidence to go back up the story and so many relatives and friends involved. That is why this book that you're writing is so important because it really, I think it's one of the better group abduction cases because of the physical evidence. I think how in the world could this have happened on Coronado Island?

I mean, the place was crawling with Secret Service. Imagine some alien was about to like kidnap some person and then like get shot in the head by a fucking Secret Service agent in the doorway. Like put that lady down, sir. I don't think I was surprised, but I was angry. It just wasn't okay to take people without their consent. Mainly me. My anger then went to being just plain curious. Why me?

I always read about UFOs. Even when I was very young, my mother went to the public library every few weeks and I always went with her looking for UFO books. I read any book I could find, but I didn't know why I just needed to know about the subject for some reason. It wasn't until I was in my 30s I figured out why I was so intrigued about the subject. These experiences have impacted my life tremendously. I know from these experiences that our world is very complex. What we see is only a very small portion of what is really going on. This experience made me think outside of the box, so to speak.

I am more open to believing that there is more than just us on many various levels of existence. I am very fortunate that my family is very understanding, but unfortunately this same process of abduction is also happening to my husband, brother, sister-in-law, parents, and many of my good friends. It's very unsettling to have marks and scars on your body and have no recollection of how you got them. I was shocked and angry. When I found that I had an object in my leg once again, I was shocked and back to angry. I just wanted the scar gone. Under any circumstances, I didn't know why, but just that this scar really made me upset and it made me feel violated. Right after it was removed, I felt really weak and needed to sit and rest for a while.

After a short while, I felt just fine until the next time I was abducted and they noticed their implant was missing. This was approximately two months later. The abductions, two nights in a row, were very abusive. I felt like I had been run over by a truck. I was really sick, terrible earache, and felt generally terrible. Next night was the same. I felt sick in the morning. On the first night, when I was abducted, Bill woke up at 1 a.m.

As our bedroom was lit up like daylight and I was not in bed, then he just fell back asleep. In the morning, he asked me where I was during the night and I was feeling really sick and very angry. At that point, we both knew what was happening during the night. Shout out to Bill. Bill Clinton, that is. Yeah, good job Bill Clinton. And that's the end of this particular testimony, this particular woman's story, and the general event that she encountered on Coronado Island at the Hotel de Coronado.

And obviously, you could tell she's talking, she's injecting a lot of her own. Like, they must have been mad, they must have given me more. There's no evidence that the grays were mad and they came back for revenge, abduction, and all this other stuff. She's just kind of like a believer. Yes. Being like, obviously, this is what this means. And you might be like, well, maybe there's something with the implant, you know, maybe something got lodged in her leg, maybe it's a freak accident.

So I will simply leave you with next week when we wrap up this saga. We will talk about a totally different person who was involved in this abduction, a man by the name of Jesse, who also. Who also not only had something implanted with a scar with photos and seeing it removed, but wasn't dealing with the grays, but a tall white instead. It's so weird. That guy didn't smell. And actually, he was as comfortable to be around.

That's crazy. It was better than a little gray guy. Yeah. I don't think it was a little gray guy. Objectively better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited to talk about next week.

We will not be going as deep as we have with this one case, but we will be talking about multiple cases next week and we'll wrap up the event again. I highly suggest you look into this event if it intrigues you. It's a phenomenal case. I want to go stay at this fucking hotel. I even if you don't believe it's still a phenomenal case in terms of like maybe something weird happened mental health wise and they had a group delusion for some reason, like who knows?

But that's I just think the Coronado group abduction deserves a lot more love out there in the UFO world. And I would love to see more people look into it more research. If there's anything else to learn or what have you. It's so fucking good. It's up. It's one of my favorite favorite events. So on that, are we good to end boys?

You have any last last thoughts? You want to get out, Jesse? No, I am very curious about where we're going. And I think that where we've been has been interesting, but I 100 percent don't. I have so many questions and none of it is like, yes, of course. Well, I must believe what she's saying. But like it's interesting. It's certainly an interesting event.

Yeah. Super, super good evidence. But I just want to say this. Tickets to our live show are available now at Shillumini pod. Shillumini pod.com. So go buy them and then we will buy one pair of glow in the dark vampire teeth and you will wear them for Alex's big smile one minute after the beginning that we will all forget. I can't wait.

Hashtag Alex's big smile. Let me know. No one's going to be on Twitter. No one's doing that. My name is on Twitter. Find me on Twitter at Jesse. Find me there. See you guys.

Yeah, thank you guys so much. We love you. We'll be over a Patreon for the next mini-sode, which also has aliens involved. So and one that Jesse might actually accept a little bit. Can't wait. See you there at patreon.com slash Shillumini pod. Good bye. Hi.

Hi. What do you think the odds are this is going to end up in the episode? If you if you can hear this, if you can hear this, let me know by writing me on Twitter at hashtag Alex's big smile. I mean, maybe they get that one clip out of completely with no context. Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom, so I stepped back inside and after a few moments I hear

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