Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 178 - Jeffrey Dahmer Part 4: Berserker Mode

Episode Date: November 12, 2022

In this FINAL Episode on Jeffrey Dahmer, we watch his spiral into a years long killing spree. Patreon - http://www.patreon.com/chilluminatipod BUY OUR MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode HelloFresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chill65 Promo Code: chill65 The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer by Brian Masters Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft End song - POWER FAILURE - https://soundcloud.com/powerfailure Video - http://www.twitter.com/digitalmuppet

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As always, I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by today. You know who you are today, boys? I was thinking about it for a little bit. I think you're just Tim and Eric today. Tim and Eric of LA. I can relate to that one. I know them. I've seen some of their sketch comedies. Mathis is like an alien inside of a human body trying to pretend like he's watched television before.

I enjoy these two gentlemen's jokes and videos with the jokes inside of the videos, and I have heard of their names and which I enjoy the sound up upon my nears. I enjoy sleeping and walking. I don't know. Who's Tim and who's Eric? I will be Tim. You'll be Tim? I'll be Eric. You know what? He has good wine. He has good wine. Hey, shout out Eric Werheim.

So this is our first episode back from the live show. I was going to say, hey guys, thank you for coming out to our Halloween live special. I did not forget. Hey, I will not thank you. There was not a single redhead present, and I began to think that you're all bad friends, and more importantly, I'm starting to feel like maybe you did it on purpose, and yeah, I'm outraged. Not only was there no redheads, Alex's big smile was a huge success.

I know. I'm honestly furious. Two things, no redheads, big smile success. Mathis had a hilarious costume. Then it broke, but it was still very funny. Mathis went absolutely insane. Mathis lost his mind. That happened too. That happened as well. I thought that was the end of my career happening live on stage.

That was it. My jokes were too risky. Risky is what they were. Risky, so sorry. No, come on. Crypton Smasher Pass was like a... That was better than I ever could have hoped it was. It was a lovely experience. It was so much fun.

All 61 minutes of Crypton Smasher Pass. I was supposed to be 15 minutes. That was it. That was great. I will say, like with all the shows we do afterwards, because I don't know, I have some weird connection to like the staff of venues. Yeah.

All the security guards. Like the old security guard who loved it, loved the show. Made me feel good. I love that stuff. I was like, we got him. Every security guard on the way out was like, hey, that was a great show, great show. Yeah.

And I know that's real because I played in a lot of bands and I've done a lot of shows and I've never been thanked by a fucking security guard before for playing incredible rock and roll music. Every single live show we've done now that even the security was like, that was great. That was great. So you guys got to come out to our shows, man. We like, please, we want to do more of them.

They're so much fun. Yeah. Apparently people enjoy them. And you know, it just means every time I get on stage, I'm going to get a little bit more on hinge. Just a little bit more. No, please don't. Your head is going to roll off of your neck the next time

you go on stage if you get any more on hinge. I am bummed that I ripped the costume 30 seconds into. You came out so hype and it looked amazing. And then I fell. The best way to describe this to people who weren't there is so he was in one of those costumes where it looks like an alien is kidnapping you except he ripped it a little bit. So over the course of like the first five minutes,

the alien slowly started to slump backwards. It looked like he is just really tired. The alien took like one tab of Molly and it was like. His arms were loosely embracing me. And it made me so sweaty. He looked like he was in bullet time. He was just like. It was great.

There is somebody got a video out on Twitter of the dance. Jesse did while you helped me get out of that costume after the hour. Oh boy. I would love to see that. Yeah. Thank you guys. Everybody who came out.

We had such a good time. I can't wait to do another one. They're always such a crazy experience. And if you want to keep supporting us to another big announcement is all of our new shirt merch has launched over on the Yeti. So go to the Yeti. It's tight.

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You're a patron on Patreon and of the correct tier. Keep an eye out in your inbox. You're going to be getting a link so you can get this T-shirt for free as always. It is so sick. I love this. Yeah. It's it's hard to describe the style.

It just is like almost 80s cart like comics. Yeah. It looks very like, yeah, like Nickelodeon. Yeah. It's great. Do you see it, Jesse? I'm looking at it right now. It's so cool.

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Yep. I'm a kind of high monster too. Unlike our previous shirts, this one though will though temporary will be running an extra month. So you'll have a little bit more time to pick this one up. If you're, you know, nervous at the 30 days isn't going to be enough. So you have a little bit more time to grab this one because the

holidays are coming up and stuff. So a lot of shit is happening in the back end. So grab it while you can and this one will eventually disappear like the rest of them. Though we are talking, I am talking to the Eddie about kind of like we did with the mothman tea reprints, but like variant reprints of different borders and stuff for like the chupacabra t-shirt.

Keep it fresh. Yeah. Keep it fresh. If you want five slightly different alternate. Yeah. Exactly. You can have them all. So yeah, keep your eyes out there and obviously the other

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Right after the big smile. You know what I did? I went right into the segue into an average Luminati Patreon. And I'm sure maybe that security guard signed up. You know what else is you did? You had a please clap moment. He really did.

He did have that. Yeah. And you know what? Because I had to redeem myself. I like low key hurt myself really bad for like seven hours. I love it. I love it. I like regained my honor by like putting my, my hand up and

kicking my foot like a cheerleader. And then you were, your body was like first off, he totally did it by the way. It was amazing. I actually do it. I earned the applause and then I like had to like use Zen like meditation to like not reveal how truly in pain I was for like the entire first half of that show and into the

morning, like honestly, I woke up in the morning and I was like, I can finally do well. I remember going back to your apartment and you're like, I actually fucked up my leg for real. I was like, yeah. Yeah. You know where it was was like right, like on the right side of my body, like up and down my.

It was a muscle. You haven't used since 19. 19 before March, 2020. Yeah. March, 2020. Oh my God. Anyway, it was great. Go to patreon.com slash Luminati pod.

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them to the podcast that would get the T-shirt to someone who hates the show and fuck over their day. You know what I mean? Just fucking. I'm always surprised how many people have never heard of our show or show up at the live shows too. There's always a contingent. They're always like, which is surprising because it turns out

you can bring your friends to the live shows. You sons of bitches. No, redheads were excluded. One redhead per theater. I guess that must be it. It must be one per. Who knew? Yeah.

One per. Maybe the moral here is I'm the redhead I'm looking for. I think that's the sad moral. I think you should just, I think you should just not throw the vibe out too far. Just let it come to you. Yeah. You ever heard of people looking for the love of your life

and love of your life has to find you. She's out there, man. She's real. She's not just Jesse Cox in a wig. She's going to be okay. You know, when you say it like that, Jesse Cox in a wig sounds great to me. I'll be honest.

That's some doctor who shit right there too. Next Halloween live show. One of us is a dress up as Jesse Cox's dream girl. You know what? It wouldn't take much to be honest from Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

That's all. Yo, Mike, my middle name is Joseph. You can call me MJ if you need to. You know what helps get you through the night with me. It will not. It will not. Somebody needs to put that on the TV tropes about Luminati that you can call Mathis MJ because his middle name is Joseph.

Exactly. Mathis Joseph. Mathis. Yes. Mathis is my actual name. Mathis Joseph. I'm having the hardest time rebranding to my actual name. It's like I've been Mathis for a decade.

It's like impossible to scrape off. You should just do what I do. Can't do it. My cell phone, honestly, which is that you are Mathis Mike Martin. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

That's me. I adopt the name legally. It's 3M from now on. Triple M. Yeah. M3M3. Let's call him. M3M3.

Yes. And then we'll start a brand new podcast called M3. We're here. We've already done it. We've got it here. It's true. God damn, we did it. All right, boys.

Enough distracting me. We have a topic to get to. It's been two weeks. I really don't want to get to it. I know. I know. I apologize for everybody who had to wait a couple weeks for the finale. This was supposed to happen last week, but you know, full blame.

I didn't like where the script was at. So I decided to take a couple more days to get it all polished up. And we couldn't get together before today to get it recorded. So you got a couple of mini-soaked compilations. You'll be not seeing one of those for a while. Don't worry. But today, gentlemen, we finally, finally, finally are able to finish part four of the Jeffrey Dahmer story.

This is a definite trigger warning. There's traumatic events. This is the bad one, guys. This is going to be the bad one. Episode three was really bad. Episode four is like two times as bad at the very least. And, you know, I'm not going to sit here and I'll warn you ahead of time. I'm not going to sit here and like painstakingly go over every murder that this man commits.

However, the couple that we will discuss are not pleasant, but I think are necessary to represent the immediate spiral that Dahmer had as soon as he was out of jail. His fault on the dark side, if you will. Yes. Yes. Dahmer returned, you know, somehow Dahmer returned because he is the emperor. You know, he loves the emperor. This is his rise of Skywalker story right here.

This is the rise of Skywalker. So yes, this is going to be very bad is what you're saying. Yeah, it's going to be awful. So if you don't remember, since it has been a couple of weeks, the last episode, we left Dahmer after having finally, after many years, getting arrested and convicted for sexual crimes, like masturbating in front of the kids who are the ones who are like having fun over there, mister. He's like, yeah, God damn right.

I'm having a good time as he was like just jerking it, exposing himself. Yeah, exposing himself at a county fair where he claims he was simply peeing. Meanwhile, 25 people saw him also furiously jacking off in front of them in the fair and many, many more. The fucking fair, dude. Again, this guy again. Dahmer is not. If anywhere that's going to happen, it would be at the fair.

Even the county fair. Not fair. You're out there getting the fair. I don't. I've never gotten horny at the fair, honestly. How many fairs you've been to, Mathis? I go to the Ren fest every year. Does that.

That's a fest. Not a fair. Okay. Okay. I've been to like two county fairs, like the ones that kind of pop up for just a couple of days. And I've never gone to a parking lot. Like it's called amusement park.

Like a church fair. Yeah. Those like pop up roller coasters and like wheels and shit. Fuck that. No way. I've never gone to one of those. That feels like you're risking your life. That's like a carnival.

Yeah. Yeah. That's shit scares the hell out of me. Hell no. I feel like you would not would not come out of there. And back to Dahmer though, like after he got arrested, he also keep in mind. This was the first time his father found out that he was his son was gay and his father took it weirdly stoically though, whether that's the truth or not, we're not sure Dahmer

kind of like always moves past that moment where his father found out. I imagine again, being in the eighties and nineties at this point, you know, he just it wasn't particularly accepted. How did Dahmer feel about being gay? I don't it's it's personal assumption at this point because he never seemed to blame or hate the fact that he was gay. He always blamed and hated the fact that he was a murderer, at least quote unquote blamed and hated that he was a murderer.

He always talked about how he was so regretful of his actions and he wishes that he could clean himself of the sickness of needing this, but he never really he always blamed everything else other than, you know, he never really talked about talking about being gay or hated or liking it. He just seemed to kind of accept it and ever like advocate for like gay rights or anything like no, God, no, God, no, Dahmer was not that they would want that endorsement. No, Dahmer was in the army and that's about as political as the guy got, which we did talk about last episode as well, where he was in Germany for a couple of years and all

that shit that happened, eventually him being kicked out for being an alcoholic that couldn't keep it fucking together. And said that. How did he get alcoholism in the military? That's crazy. The alcoholism started when he was 14 in high school and it ran through his family, so it's not surprising at all. So it, you know, it seemed Dahmer, at least while outwardly, like I said, in interviews

was kind of doing his best to maintain his urges and being regretful and try to like put forward that well-behaved individual that he was, you know, going to stay on the straight and narrow, he would then immediately strive out and get himself blacked out and get incredibly drunk and do these heinous crimes because in reality he was a disgusting, pathetic, evil man when he pretended not to be on the outside. If he truly meant any of that, we would have seen him put himself in an inpatient program or you know, not try to weasel his way out of jail, which he did. And while he had yet to be caught for murder, slipping by the police now two or three times,

he had at least finally been put in jail and was ordered to have multiple psychological evaluations put on him. And as we talked about last episode, each doctor came back with a report that essentially said the same exact thing. He's of high potential for danger and violence. Don't let this man out. He has a lot of very clearly deep issues. But regardless of the opinion of two separate medical professionals, Dahmer wouldn't even

finish serving his already too short of a sentence for a year. But before Dahmer goes to prison, he still had a few days being free and decided that in this time he'd pack up the apartment he only just moved into and would move back with his grandmother for the days that he had free left before he would head to the corrections facility and end up beginning to serve his sentence. And in an act that speaks more clearly and loudly about who Dahmer was rather than who he wanted to be seen as or fucking murdered someone, we'll get we're getting there. All right, rather who he wanted to be seen as or how the media portrays him or how even

the interviewers of the 90s seem to treat him with prison merely with prison looming merely days away. Dahmer once again decides that his urges, the drive to kill had to be sated no matter the risk. You fucking God. Yeah, it's insane. This time, however, circumstances were very slightly changed. While Dahmer went out into his normal haunting grounds of his favorite clubs, this time out

he came up empty handed. Nobody seemed interested and Dahmer was declined multiple times and eventually dejected, Dahmer finally gave up and began to head home. It was on his way home that Dahmer was then approached by an attractive black man who clearly had an interest in Dahmer and Dahmer seeing this and Dahmer saw this man as one of the most beautiful men he'd ever seen. His name was Tony Sears and he would be Dahmer's next victim. And after offering Dahmer cocaine, which Dahmer declined, they both got a ride back

from Tony's friend to the corner of the block where his grandmother's house were. And Tony and Dahmer walked into his grandmother's house, went into his room and spent a few hours doing what they always do and have sex. After they were finished and they lay in Dahmer's bed, the inevitable question spilled from Dahmer's lips. When do you have to leave and can you come back tomorrow? To which Tony fatally replied that he would be leaving soon and Dahmer probably wouldn't see him again.

So Dahmer, after that response immediately got up, went into the kitchen, fixed a cup of coffee with Bailey's Irish whiskey and the sleeping pills, seven of them to be precise, and fed it to Tony or had Tony drink it rather. And once Tony had within 30 minutes, he was passed out and Dahmer quietly straddled and strangled him while his mother was in the other room getting ready for the day. Again no prison is days away. And this guy just, look again, the actions speak louder to who he was than anything else. The idea of drugging, knocking someone out and then strangling them, bitch move, bitch

move. With his grandmother right in the door, one door over, which is not waiting to go to jail for something that he swears he like wishes he could like purge from himself. Correct, as he, yes, exactly, but his, yeah, his perversions as he called them. It's with this victim, we see Dahmer continue to give into that dark twisted desires that were buried in him and the need to own and keep his victims with him long after death had taken, taken his, taken them. With Tony, he treated his body much differently than he had treated the other victims up to

this point. First, he would sever Tony's head as well as his genitals and store them in a bag before taking, before going out to buy a bag, he stored them in a bag, a little edgine kind of feel here before he went out to buy a 10 gallon, gallon tub, fill it with acetone and leave Tony's head and other pieces of his body to clean itself. As for the full body itself after the head and genitals were placed in the acetone, Dahmer took a knife and begin this time instead of severing the body began flaying the flesh off of the body instead, cutting around in the bone and trying to preserve the skeleton

and the remains of his victim as best he could before finishing as he always did, which was taking what he didn't want and smashing it with a hammer into ash and scattering it into the woods. When the day came to head to the correctional facility, Dahmer was at an in-pass. He wasn't ready to give up Tony's remains that he'd kept but felt it a bad idea to leave it here in his grandmother's home. So what do you think his solution was, boys? Give me a little guess.

He wants the skull, the head and the genitals so we can come back to it nine months later and use it and save it and get off on it. Freeze it. Freeze it. Freeze it. I'm going to say, I'm going to say that he was a fan of pioneer life and he salted it. Oh, you he went the edging route. Yeah.

You're both wrong. First, he spray painted both of them. And then not where my head was at at all. Literally, you know, yep. And then he took both the genitals and head where at this point we're now slightly mummified looking thanks to the acetone they've been soaking in for a long time. And he bought a Samsonite cosmetic case, placed the head and the genitals into that cosmetic case, and he took that case to his locker in the Ambrosia chocolate factory

that he worked. What? And he left it in his locker where it would be left undisturbed for the entire nine months that he served in prison in the Ambrosia chocolate. Stop. Stop fucking serious. Wait, they let him have it. Like, did he sell this job? Yeah, he didn't lose his job.

Not yet. I can't even believe that he's going to prison, you know, but yeah, they he nobody opened his lock. I don't understand how that like how do you there's no smell. I guess the cosmetic case maybe was like airtight like I don't get it. It really was a different time. The Ambrosia chocolate factory was like, don't worry, buddy. We got even though you're going to prison, we got a job for you when you get back.

Don't worry. Yeah, it was a different time. Everybody jerks off in front of kids. It's fine. I don't like do you think there was like a stench in the leg? Okay, Bob. Should we open Donmer's locker and see what's going on in there? Hey, no, no, everybody has their privacy. No, I don't want to put it in. What the fuck is that?

Open that shit. Oh, I will not overpower the smell of chocolate at some point. Maybe that's exactly what it was. Maybe smells like chocolate, but does the acetone kill off any bacteria that would have made that you said it was mummified? How about how about you? Hang on. I have an answer for you. You don't worry. I do.

OK, yeah, I absolutely actually have an answer for you. Well, Donmer went off to serve his prisons after storing the remains in the locker. And when Thanksgiving came around, the prison actually allowed Donmer a 10 hour pass to be free and celebrate Thanksgiving with his family at the house. However, how often did they do that? Is that a real thing? I don't think it is. And maybe maybe it's like low, low, low security prisons.

But maybe this might be a remnant of the 80s. Yeah, I don't I don't know. It was a different time in America. Yeah, again. However, in another example of no longer attempting any sense of morality or normalcy, only having 10 hours free, Donmer decided to take this opportunity and immediately went to the streets looking for a potential victim. Time, his favorite time out.

I'm dead. It was that kind of like we're going to let you just go. Yes, he had nobody following him. Nobody watching him 10 hours. And he had to return himself to the correctional's facility. That's nobody came and picked him up. No, it was a self return. It's it's fucking again, fucking crazy. I understand this.

So he went to Club 219, one of his favorite haunts. And there, Dahmer met a white, older man who was by the book, according to the book, much older than Dahmer. We do not have a name nor a specific age. They were chatting, having beers, which eventually moved to a stronger liquor, which I don't know if you boys are familiar with. I am not simply called Yukon Jack. You know, you can make you on Jack.

I don't think they make you come back anymore. Yeah. Is that a current brand? I don't even know that that's what they moved to drinking, which was supposedly a very strong alcohol. It's like honey, you know, that's like 50 percent or something like that. Yukon Jack whiskey, you can get a total line of more right now. I'm looking at it right now. You want to go drink the drink that he drank on this night?

Thanks, give me all right now. And a gay club. It's like super strong honey whiskey is. Yeah, it's apparently super strong, whatever it is. So nasty. However, after he started having drinks and schmoozing with this gentleman in a bizarre twist of karmic fate, Dahmer passes out at the bar.

Now, we're not sure whether Dahmer accidentally drugged himself or the older man was doing the same exact thing to Dahmer that he was planning on doing to him. That's I think the evidence suggests the latter that the older man, the older gentleman was doing the same thing. That's fascinating because it does. It is that weird space where Dahmer was thinking, OK, I need to just I got 10 hours. I got to get off and find some old man.

I'll take anyone. It's fine. And the old man was like, this young kid's coming up to me. Oh, my God. Like it is two creeps perfectly coming together to be ultra creepy. And I can't I this next part has me dying. I'm sorry. When Dahmer did eventually wake up from his drug induced coma, he was hogtied to a bed shut up,

being violently spanked by the older man. Shut up. This is like a fucking Sandman episode. This is like insane before being before being amily violated by a candle by the old man. St Dahmer's just waking up getting spanked. Fucking the old man is just getting his rock. You feel like a normal human being would have said,

this must be what it feels like for all those people that I've hurt. Boy, I have learned a fucking lesson here. The writer became the prey and Dahmer apparently upon waking and realizing began screaming and crying out, thrashing, begging to be released. Dahmer said he screams so loud other people likely heard him. So he just had a meltdown. And the older man not not looking to murder Dahmer.

Stopped the activities and did untie him and free him. And Dahmer quietly scampered off the bed, quickly walked over to his clothes and got dressed before he quietly and simply just left and headed right back to the correctional facility. Now five hours late for when he was supposed to return. Like, he's just fucking scampered at in the best part. My favorite detail is just like a fun side note. Dahmer wasn't able to get the candlestick out of his ass until the next day.

What? Stop. Stop. That is unbelive. That is not fair. Or as the book put it, Dahmer was unable to evacuate the candle. I hate that this is real because I like feel guilty laughing about it. I do too. But then you think about what a piece of shit he is. And I just I don't feel guilty.

I just can't believe this is like a movie plot point. Man, it's just it's like it is. It's like a hangover plot point almost like you wake up and just being spanked, hogtied, like a terrible experience. Yes, he got absolutely essentially just like raped completely. And it's but he that's not OK. But it's like what he does to other people and happened to him. And he would feel like somewhere cosmically this man would say, wow,

that was terrible. I can't believe I put people through that. And no, no, not even a little. That wasn't even a momentary thought in Dahmer's mind. He was being victimized. He's supposed to be in control, but it does show his reaction does show how weak he is as a person where he just puts his clothes on and leaves. Yeah, exactly. Bingo.

He did return. He didn't get punished for returning late. They just took him back in and Dahmer would end up skating by the rest of his sentence until he was released on March 2nd, 1990, having been released a full three months early than he was supposed to. Nobody isn't is quite sure why he was let out early, the reasoning, but there are a few thoughts or things that wait, wait, wait, whoa, wait, whoa, wait. It's possible. Wait, the judge let him out.

Wait, the judge let him out. I keep, here's the problem I have with Jeff and Dahmer. I keep thinking, oh, this is a different time. It was a different age, but I was alive during this. You and I both were alive during, we all were. We were all alive during this. Like 1990, we were all alive. I'm this is all happening blown away that this is something

that in my lifetime, they were like, let him out of prison. Like that sounds like some 1950s shit. Like we're all going down to the chocolate factory. Like no, it's blowing my mind. This was happening. This is all happening in the nineties from this point on. And it's insane, especially with like what ends up happening afterward. So yeah, they nobody's like has a real reason to point out

as to like why they were the judge decided to be OK and lenient. But there are a couple of things that we know that probably led to the judge doing that. The first is Dahmer had written a very lengthy apologetic letter to the judge a few weeks prior. This is where he was talking about his mistakes and his desire to get himself right and actually get healthy. Oh, you mean lies? Right. Right. Right. Yes. Correct. Admitting that he knew he was sick and was desperate for the help

and couldn't wait to like start getting his life back. What do you what does he mean? Is he saying that he is associated and being gay with being sick? Is that what he said? No, he's blaming his alcoholism on his sexual perversions of exposing himself. Oh, OK. Remember he's being arrested for exposing himself in like jerking off in front of people. So he's just pointing at his alcoholism that has very real records

from his time served in the military. Sure. OK. So there's that. And then there's also what we know that Gary Parker, who is an agent from the Department of Health and Social Services, after having multiple meetings with Dahmer while he was in prison, suggested to the judge that he also be let out early under the condition that he serve a five year probation instead. Whatever the case, Dahmer was released and he was put on probation

and unsurprising to everybody, less than a month after being let out. Dahmer had gotten a brand new prescription of sleeping meds. But this time, instead of getting 30, he got 60. Come on, man, she's right. Like right after getting out of his under a month, like logistical question. He had three months to go, right? Yes, three months. I believe it was a year. Would he have been on probation after those three months?

I believe so. I believe he was supposed to take a year. Pro I I'd have to double check that question. The knowledge on that particular thing like, you know, math, the math. I don't know. I don't think he was supposed to be on probation because he got put on probation after being let out. That's what's like. If I was in prison, I had three months to go. I might be like, I don't know. I've never been in prison, so maybe prison life is hard.

I mean, I imagine it's hard life. But I keep thinking like five, three months to go and no probation versus five years of checking in with people. And I was a serial killer. I'd be like, I'm going to do these three months. But maybe he's like, what do they do? Like find the bodies? I have no clue. Yeah, that's not any question.

I just don't know that we have the answer. That's a good I really I feel like we probably do have that answer. I just do not offhand have the answer. I'm curious about that. I don't know why that's what I'm thinking. Like if I was going to kill people, what do I want to wait? What's the best way to I do? I'm starting to wonder maybe where his head was at.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm trying to think if he was supposed to serve. Maybe he was supposed to serve two years and he got off after nine months, but instead served like a five year probation. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. OK, well, yeah, I was like, if he's three months to go, then I'd just be like effort. I'm doing three. I don't want to report to anybody.

Yeah, that's what, yeah, that makes men agreed. That makes no sense. Regardless of whether it was three months or a year and three months early, he was released early due to all those like through the letter and Gary Parker, who suggested it, and he got his brand new prescription of sleeping pills under a month after being released. Also of importance to Dahmer to answer your prior question, Jesse,

was his locker at the Ambrosia Chocolate Factory. Here we go. Returning to it, he had come to discover that the remains of Tony, specifically the genitals that had been spray painted to try and preserve them, had begun to rot and the genitals specifically had begun to grow a strange mold on them. Oh, my God, dude, what the fuck? I don't need you to like continue this. I would prefer to imagine you just threw them away.

While this put a damper on Dahmer's desires, unfortunately, it didn't stop him from trying to come up with a solution to save and preserve as much of Tony as he possibly could. First, he boiled and defleshed the molding dick. And then with a scalpel began removing the skin off of Tony's head, peeling it away. In the end, Dahmer preserved his skull and scalp, later saying in an interview with the doctor that if he could have kept all of Tony forever, he would have.

Actually, Tony became one of his. Favorite victims to Dahmer, like he really kind of goes back to Tony a few times in the inner reasoning. It just I don't either. Just in the view of interviews, he comes up and hate that. Yeah. Well, now, free and now a free man, Dahmer once again desired privacy and to disappear from most of the public eye was the goal. Well, last last episode, I said he moved into his infamous apartment.

I was wrong. The apartment he moved into last episode was a very temporary one before getting arrested. It's here that we see Dahmer move into his infamous apartment, apartment two, thirteen, and truly let go of the reins of sanity. In the 14 months Dahmer lived there before being arrested, twelve innocent lives would be needlessly lost. And the police would let him slip through their fingertips time and time again.

It would be literally five weeks of his freedom that Dahmer took his next victim. This is what I consider to be a Dahmer entering what is known as like a berserker phase of a serial killer, where there's no longer those long pauses, those long cooldowns between killings. And instead, he truly just lives this life now. This fantasy of murdering and keeping these bodies has become his one and only desire.

And we see that on how quickly he starts putting the victims, you know, gathering victims and killing people. It's it's horrendous. His apartment was minimal, of course. He had his bedroom with the bed and his living area and so on. And you can go look at many different blueprints and what not of the layout of Dahmer's apartment. But it's important to remember that Dahmer, if you remember,

was also beginning to build a shrine and had begun prior to his arrest, getting that shrine together by buying a black, a big black table and the gargoyle statues that he sat on each side of them. If you remember, and the big dark chair that he would put in front of it that like completed that gothic look of his weird, empty altar at this point. And all of this obviously made its way to his apartment. Raymond Smith would be the first victim for the altar Dahmer had built.

After merely bumping into him on the streets and offering him $50, Smith returned to the apartment with Dahmer for sexual activities. When Dahmer asked him to stay the night, Smith said it would cost more money for that, which Dahmer said he'd be happy to pay in the morning. What follows is the expected drugged coffee strangulation. As I said before, Dahmer was a product killer, one who wants the body but sees the act of killing as a necessary, if not enjoyable. Action to achieve that rather than the murder itself being an outlet

for a sexual frustration like Bundy. And now with Smith's body and an altar, Dahmer now begins to truly live out his weird alter fantasies, taking Smith and posing his now lifeless body in varying positions on the altar, where that Dahmer considered attractive to him and snapped multiple Polaroid photos. And if you know anything about Dahmer, yeah, yeah. If you know anything about Dahmer, the Polaroid photos became a huge part of just everything, and this is really where it starts.

I mean, if you know or have interest in Dahmer, I'm sure you've already looked up that stuff, but like you can see pictures of the altar. You can see a drawing of the altar that was done by Dahmer for the police. So there's ways to look at like maybe the setup without having to see the actual crime scene itself. However, now his new apartment was on the second floor and Dahmer was presented with a new challenge. The disposal of the body would be much more difficult in an apartment in the city.

Moving into the bathroom and into the tub, Dahmer began the mechanical dissection of his victim, legs detached, arms removed and so on. All to be placed in an 80 gallon tank that everybody knows now what it looks like from the crime scenes, that big blue tank tub that gets rolled out from from from his apartment that you can see in the news articles in the news from the time. This maintained a boiling water, a mix of boiling water and soilex. You know what soilex is?

No, no, it's used to remove paint from walls. So a paint thinner. Yeah, another another like acetone paint thinner. All the body parts sat in that water, soilex mixture for about an hour. And Dahmer's plan raved. Yeah, it's it's absolutely gross. But again, we see him disappearing into his fantasy because his plan was to clean the bones and to keep the entire skeleton

of the victim. After the hour, he poured out the boiling mixture and rinsed the limbs in the sink where the flesh came off in a slurry like mixture. And all of it went down the drain. However, he quickly learned that the mix he had just used. God damn. No, I know, I know, I know. He quickly learned that the mix he had just used of the soilex and the water was too strong and the bones became way too frail.

And after a week or two, a week or two of storing them, the bones themselves kind of turned into a slush. He was only able to keep the victim's skull and he spray painted it, much like he had with the other body parts, while the rest of the bones that become like the sludge, he flushed down the toilet, just gone. Yeah, it's kind of nasty. It's gross and it's kind of weird. He's like he's like doing these weird, like mad, evil scientist experiments

that he doesn't really know what he's doing, but he kind of like thinks, well, this takes paint off, so this will work, right? And he just keeps playing with different ideas to preserve the body that he so is desperate to keep. His next victim would only be four weeks later, a man by the name of Eddie Smith. The story of their crossing and in his unnecessary deaths is the same that I'm sure you're familiar with, with Thammer's patterns by now. As was its previous victim, he posed the body after death, took photos

and attempted a different way to preserve the skull and head because the last time was a failure. This time he decided to place the decapitated skull of Eddie into his oven and heated up to 120 degrees in an attempt to bake the flesh off of the skull that so we could keep it, which makes no sense. I don't understand how that's what you think you're going to do. No, again, there's no thought like cremation. No, because he wants the skull.

He doesn't want to dust. He wants the skull to the the the flesh to kind of cook off of the skull. It is literally like child murder, troubleshooting. Like he doesn't have an answer. So he's trying different things and it's so messed up. Like, yeah. And he he again, it's also like I said, I kind of feel like it has almost like this, like him as a kid.

Remember, you experiment with the bones and stuff as a kid. It's that same weird childhood fascination with the leftovers of his victims that he had with the animals and all that stuff. Very, very weird. So obviously this didn't work. He was having a hard time preserving the skull and it didn't take long as the skull, the the the head being popped into the oven for him to actually hear a loud pop and to go over to discover that Eddie's skull had exploded in the oven.

And all that was left was fragments of bone. This is literally a fucking TV show about a serial killer. It's like Emily goes to Paris or whatever that fucking show is, except it's about a serial killer. And it's again, another weird look at the way he thinks, too, because nothing could be salvaged. He could save nothing of his victim. And he would later lament to multiple times that it was such a waste to kill Eddie Smith because he couldn't preserve the body.

And since he couldn't preserve the body, it felt like a waste to have even murdered him in the first place, which again, gives you insight to his weird selfish way of thinking. And all of this was happening while Dahmer was attending probation officer meetings and attending court mandated group therapy. It's not the next thing then. Yeah, he was going to group therapy. Imagine there is alcoholism in his weird sexual deviances therapy with Dahmer therapy with all and I just want you to be aware that he's also going to a different bathhouse

now where he's still getting laid like regularly by people. He's not murdering that are just not doing it for him. So let me just like ask a crazy question. Yeah, he's picking up dudes for money. So I'm going to assume or those guys sex one of them was one was a sex worker. Another one he had offered to take photos of for like that whole excuse. And then he's going to like download bathhouses and shit. So like all of this is just another example of when you like really try to force

a group of people underground and you try to like make things like immoral and awful and stuff that it's still going to happen and it's going to allow people like this to take advantage of it is kind of the vibe I'm getting. And it seems to be in the vibe through history with all this shit. And so just the big takeaway for me is that I'm like, oh, right. Okay, well, we're just when you force people to be living secret. It allows crime, like murderous and violent people to blend in and get away. And if you don't care and you're happy that they're like they are interfering with my life,

then yeah, you you don't care enough that you allow a man who clearly does this shit to go on like furloughs and sit in group therapy and like, oh, it's so aggravating. It's aggravating is a fantastic way to put it. It's all very, very fucking aggravating. And to that point, this next event is actually like another great example of it because Dahmer would attempt a meeting two weeks after his last murder. We have now gone from four weeks to two weeks in two kills. It just he's he's just rapid firing.

I'm surprised he isn't at the meeting picking a target at the meeting. I mean, good question. I mean, yeah, I wonder if that's part because I do wonder what the reason is. Maybe he wasn't attracted to anybody there. I don't know what the reason is. Maybe he just took that shit serious. Maybe it was just like maybe super serious about getting over his alcoholism in a weird. Well, we'll see.

Yeah, we'll see what it like. It's weird. It's weird. This particular person by the name of Penne actually once again, got talked into coming back to the apartment with Dahmer on the under sex worked obligations or not obligations, but under the guys of sex work is the way I'm looking. Yeah. For whatever reason, things didn't go so well. And Dahmer realized very quickly that this man was stronger than Dahmer. The man wanted to leave and Dahmer didn't want him to.

However, he had no sleeping pills at his disposal at this point. So he tried to convince him to stay, but Penne decided not to and left. However, he would return again after Dahmer would call out to him and offer him more money. And he came back and walked back into Dahmer's apartment. It became very quick. Became obvious to Penne very quickly that Dahmer was being more distant, got more awkward, and he became uncomfortable once again, saying he was going to be leaving soon.

And that's where Dahmer made a decision to try and keep him here. Dahmer grabbed a rubber mallet, snuck up behind Penne and swung, hitting him directly in the head. However, Penne did not go down. Still awake and began fighting back. So much so that he was able to overpower Dahmer and escape again. Dahmer again sat there, dejected, had luck on his side, as there was a knock on the door not too long after.

And it was Penne again who had forgotten to take the money with him and wanted the money. For whatever reason, he went back inside the house after having been clearly attacked by Dahmer. And he sat down and relaxed. And we don't know how, but Dahmer somehow convinced Penne to get his hands behind his back and tie them. And he did. Which is fucking crazy to me.

It reminds me of John Wayne Gacy and his weird ability to convince people to see a weird handcuff trick that then got them killed. But when he tried to take Penne again, Penne was able to fight back again and break free. Dahmer begged him not to say anything, offered him $200 and let Penne leave. The only thing that we know about Dahmer's thought process on this is that Dahmer said in later interviews after being caught that for some reason he just couldn't bring himself to kill him. Yet, and I mean, there's some facts there.

There was opportunities for him to have snuck up behind him and kill him. Though Penne did fight back multiple times. It's just, it is weird that Dahmer seemed to be okay letting him go. And it's one of those moments like how John Wayne Gacy had his victim that he hit with the car. But then, and they got away a couple of times and eventually he just let them run off. It's just weird. Like you're not sure why they're like kind of half trying, half not trying.

Is it that he didn't have interest in this guy? Is it that he he didn't have the strength, the one up on strength? And he felt unable to take control like he wanted? I don't know. It's interesting though. And it's something that I wish I had an answer for. And we will just never have that answer, but it's a bizarre instance. I think something went down differently than he says.

Yeah, it's very possible. The thing is to Jesse's point from earlier, Penne immediately went to the police afterward. Despite Dahmer paying him and begging him not to. He could give him direct directions on how to get there and had a very legal charge for unlawful detainment inside Dahmer's apartment. And after telling him about it, and this is not the first time people have had weird reports about Dahmer over the years. Guess what the police did?

Oh, let me just tell you, nothing. They didn't follow up. They didn't interview. They didn't even go to Dahmer's house or apartment. They did absolutely nothing. And because of that, Dahmer was allowed to continue taking victims. The next was a boy by the name of Ernest Miller. Miller was a dance student whom Dahmer encountered outside of a bookstore.

And according to Dahmer, he was once again especially attracted to Miller's dancer body physique. This is where we see Dahmer take a different murder. Method. For whatever reason, he wasn't able to bring himself to strangle this one. There was perhaps another fight. Again, the details change depending on the source. What we do know is that this is the only kill that Dahmer used and murdered by slicing someone's throat.

In fact, he hit the carotid artery and made a huge mess everywhere. Dahmer looks back at this kill and is also lamenting, kind of regretful about it. Saying that this wasn't supposed to go that way. And then you have a taste for slicing someone's throat. It took too long and it was too painful. He saw strangulation as like the most humane way that he could take what he wanted while not hurting them too much, even if it meant literally killing them. To him, they were strangled in their sleep.

So it doesn't really matter, I guess, to him. I guess it's just like in Dahmer's mind. That's a little tricky to figure out to make yourself not guilty. Yeah, it's a way he rationalized it to himself. After the body was after the man had been killed, the body was dismembered in the bathtub with Dahmer storing his entire skeleton this time. He was able to actually preserve the skeleton

using another mix of soy elixin water, but a one that I think was more water heavy. And it actually worked. And after getting the entire skeleton cleaned out, he stored the skeleton in a bottom drawer of a filing cabinet. And that's where he kept it very similar to the bone as a child, where he always said he wanted to put them back together, but just kind of kept them in a pile on his desk, never getting to it.

As far as the heart, liver, biceps, and portions of his thigh were all put in the freezer for later consumption. Dahmer would continue his experimentation with incanibalism starting with Ernest Miller. And when it came to eating the heart specifically, Dahmer spoke of how eating the heart made it feel like he had a part of them with him always. Which kind of, as we talked about in the last episode,

he was very into the book of like death rituals of other countries and stuff. And it's nothing new. It's happened in the past before. They would eat hearts on purpose. Yeah. Mr. World here playing a little beach volleyball, diving in the sand, digging some shots, trying to look cool.

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which was typical for Dahmer. Once a laced drink had rendered Thomas unconscious, Dahmer decided for one reason or another that Thomas wasn't his type. Nonetheless, he still strangled Thomas, taking Polaroid photos of the dismembered, uh, of the dismembered body in the process, and no remains of David Thomas were ever found. There we would see a two month cooling off period.

Before February 18th in 1991 now, where his next victim, Curtis Strouder, who was 17, was approached by Dahmer as he waited for a bus near, uh, Marquette University. Dahmer lured Strouder to his apartment where the youth was drugged, handcuffed, and strangled before being dismembered in the bathtub, where his skull, hands, and genitals were all retained by Dahmer. April 7th, after another couple months, another boy by the name of Errol Lindsay, 19, the first victim upon, uh, which Dahmer practiced what he later described to investigators

as his drilling technique. Everybody who probably knows Dahmer is familiar with this worst thing ever. This is the biggest bummer of this whole shit. Another weird moment to look at his psyche, where Dahmer, not knowing anything that he's doing, believes himself to be, or at the very least, capable of inventing scientific methods to create love zombies, essentially. This drilling technique was a procedure where he drilled holes into the victim's skull

and then injected hydrochloric acid directly into the victim's brain. According to Dahmer, Errol Lindsay awoke after this practice, which is crazy that he didn't fucking die, and had to be re-rendered unconscious with another drink laced with sedatives. And then, having realized whatever he was trying to do wasn't working, Dahmer then strangled him to death, flayed his body, and retained the skin for several weeks. His skull was found during the arrest.

So he maintained the skin and the skull. From April to May, which is crazy, because now we went from April 7th to May 24th, and then we'll have another victim immediately after on May 27th, to see just how quickly he's doing it. May 24th, Anthony Hughes, 31, was lured by Dahmer to his apartment. Once again, photographs for nudes, for money. Hughes was deaf, and he and Dahmer communicated using handwritten notes.

He was strangled, and his body left on Dahmer's bathroom floor for three days before he would dismember it. With Dahmer photographing the dismembered process, his skull was retained, and he was able to be identified via dental rags. He treats bodies like I treat my socks. Yeah, like it's so messed up. It's like, oh shit, that one was down the side of my bed. Oh shit, oh, yeah.

Here's my one shit that I leave by the door, as like a door stops sometimes. It's awful, dude, it's awful. Now, this next victim is the one that I think everybody is familiar with. On May 27th, a boy, 14 years old, named Conrack Synthas... God, I had it last time. Synthasemphone, Synthasemphone. I will copy-paste it so you know I'm not crazy.

If that last name sounds familiar, it's because last episode, we talked about that boy's younger brother, older brother, who was also a victim of sexual assault by Jeffrey Dahmer. That's insane. I know. He didn't know. He's the younger brother of the boy who was assaulted. That was in 1988, so we are now three years separated from that.

My god. I know, it's fucking crazy. This young boy was drugged, and like the previous victim, only two days prior, you can clearly see Dahmer has an idea in his head and he's trying to make it work. This young boy also had a hole drilled into his head and had hydrochloric acid ejected into his brain before Dahmer left the youth unattended

as he left the apartment to go purchase some beer for himself. When he returned, he had discovered, much like the previous victim, that the boy was naked and disoriented, wandering the streets. With three distressed young women desperately attempting to assist him. The police had already been called, and they arrived. This is unbelievable to me. I, it's fucking crazy. And after the police arrived, Dahmer persuaded them

that he and the boy were nothing but lovers, and that the youth was simply just way too drunk. When the police left with, uh, when the police left. The man, he has a hole in his head. Yeah, it's hard for them to see because it was a drilled hole, probably where there's hair. Like it's crazy. There's no blood?

Yeah. They showed Dahmer showed the police the nude photos he had taken of the boy, which really grossed out the cops. And they were just like, you know, I don't want you. Yeah, wait a minute. Hold on. This kid's 14. This is the 90s.

That's still legally. Doesn't matter. No, they seriously, and they knew this and he was clearly a boy. And they showed him nude photos and they were just like, fucking gay people, bro. Don't do what you want. And they just like left the boy. Oh, man.

I know this is what the fourth or fifth time. It's the last. Remember, you got reported recently. Like it's nuts. And I want you to know that as the stench in the apartment began, calls to the landlord from others had been made multiple times. And the landlord just didn't do anything. But you can't keep in mind too,

the landlord was more like a slumlord than anything. It was very poor breaking down apartments. And he didn't want to have to pay for, according to him, like sewage, you know, like breaking sewage and all that shit. So he just never bothered ever investigating what the sent the stench was coming from from his apartment. So not only are we having a failure of police, but a failure of the owner of the place where this man.

I feel like there has to be some sort of like societal failure to because I don't he isn't. I mean, I don't know. But is he going up to like one person and saying, come with me and they're agreeing instantly or their people he's approaching. And they're like, go away, weirdo. Little bit of a little bit of B. He both kind of happened,

but it's the same story. No one was like, there's a guy in the community going around propositioning people. And we probably should do something about that. Like there, whatever rumors there were that were out there were not prevalent enough. And again, because the people he killing are gay men, rumors, there's like witnesses.

The bath house let him stay there until the ninth drugging. You have to keep in mind, nobody was willing to talk about it because at the time nobody was going to come out. Drugging. Yeah. The thing is, while it's awful that Dahmer was drugging, he wasn't the only one doing it. It's just that's just he was just doing it a little more

excessively than the rest of the people. It's just the victims are kind of referred to as the less dead because they're victims that the cops don't care about. Not people that they view as worth investigating. And that's just the unfortunate truth of the 80s and the 90s, especially when it came to gay men and women. It's just they were just ignored. And that's what happened here.

The cops left him with Dahmer and brought him back to their apartment and Dahmer again injected another dose of hydrochloric acid into his brain. This one would end up proving fatal. Dahmer was attempting to create essentially like a fuck zombie. Yeah. Fuck zombie that would listen to his every command, do exactly what he said and never left him

without truly having to kill him per se, only just creating kind of a brain death. Why or where he got this idea, why he thought just drilling a hole and injecting some hydrochloric acid would create a fuck zombie. I don't know, but that's just where he went. It's like comic book logic. Yet is 100 percent comic book logic.

And remember, he loves the emperor. Now, speaking of the emperor, at this point, his apartment had kind of become his temple. Oh my God, I didn't even think about it. He's trying to make like a fuck fainter. I didn't even think about this shit. Yeah. There was a new movie.

There's a new movie that he was playing in the background to his killings. The return to the Jedi, well, still a favorite of his, had taken a backseat to his new film that he would play while he murdered the exorcist three. The exorcist three. The exorcist three. He had it was much like return to the Jedi played on repeat

and was always playing in the background while he killed his victims. He loved the exorcist three. All right. So I don't know why. So maybe I'm not going to be taking my movie recommendations. I got to see the first one before I can see the third one. So honestly, you probably don't.

But OK, that's fair. Yeah. So I don't know his movie tastes weirdly playing into it. His at this point, his altar had photographs strewn about it, skull caps from his victims laid upon it, candles, the gargoyles that guarded the side. And his apartment was more of a temple at this point. He was living in a essentially totally separate reality.

In his fantasy world, when he stepped through those doors and he stepped into his apartment, he was now living the world that he had always concocted in his mind. And much like many serial killers, he was getting lazier and lazier, feeling himself untouchable, unable to be caught. Nobody ever came after him. Every time the cops were right there,

it simply took a sentence and they left him alone. He truly felt he was becoming untouchable. After this particular death, much like the others, he retained the decapitated head and dismembered and put it in the freezer while dismembering the body. A month later, rather on June 30th, the next victim, Matt Turner, who was 20, was attending the Chicago Pride Parade.

At a bus stop, he encountered Matt Turner at the bus stop and persuaded him to accompany him to Milwaukee, where he would do a photo shoot once again. Turner was drug strangled as always and dismembered in the bathtub and his head and internal organs were stored in the freezer and his torso subsequently placed in the very famous 57-gallon drum

that Dahmer had purchased on July of the previous year. July 5th, a week later, Jeremiah Weinberg was the next victim, who was only 23, met Dahmer at a gay bar in Chicago and agreed to accompany him to Milwaukee for the weekend. Dahmer drilled through Weinberg's skull and injected boiling water into the cavity this time, instead of hydrochloric acid, hoping that this would work.

He would later recall that Weinberg's death was to be exceptional, as he was the only victim who died with his eyes open, something that, for some reason, Dahmer made very particular note of. I hate every detail that he points out. I know, it's very bizarre. Weinberg's decapitated body was kept in the bathtub

for a week before being dismembered, rotting and smelling everything and creating a horrible stench throughout not only his apartment, but I imagine the apartment complex and his torso, much like the previous, was placed in that 57-gallon drum to disintegrate. That drum is now being used as a way

to remove bodies and remove evidence, as for the bits of the bodies that he couldn't keep anymore, because Dahmer was running out of room. He was running out of room to keep the things he wanted and he had to get rid of these things, and the drum was his answer. On July 15, Oliver Lacy, 24, who was a bodybuilding enthusiast

whom Dahmer enticed to his apartment on the promise of money for posing for photographs, as always, Lacy was then drug-instrangled with a leather strap before being decapitated and his head and heart being placed in the refrigerator. His skeleton was retained to adorn one side of the private shrine of skulls and skeletons. Dahmer was in the process of creating

when he was arrested, not one week later. Again, we're very rapidly going through these, and the very last victim would be on July 19 of 1991, Joseph Braidhoff, who was 25. He was a father of three children from Minnesota who was looking for work in Milwaukee at the time of his murder. He was left on Dahmer's bed for two days

following his murder prior. On July 21st, being decapitated, his head was placed in the refrigerator and his torso was placed in the 57-gallon draw. Heavy duty. That is a list of victims. I kind of wanted to get through that as quickly as I could. I'm going to send you boys.

Have I shown you boys the- I don't need pictures. I'm good. No, no, no. Just like the drawing of the altar. Have I sent that to you before? Yeah, dude. I think, I don't know if you sent it to me on microphone or not. I know you showed it to me,

but I might have been- Yeah, I showed it to you in the book. I'll simply just send you a quick- I also need to add, for the record, through Twitter. The plot of the movie, Exorcist 3, is so bedonkers- Skippable. That it is-

Skippable. I just want to point out for the record, it takes place in 1990. So when he's out, it is about a serial killer who has become a ghost that inhabits bodies and then kills from beyond the grave in those bodies. That's the plot of the movie. So I don't know what the hell he was-

Oh, and by the way, this is the- This is- I'm not going to say best part, but this is the part that stood out to me the most. The serial killer is controlled by his master. The master being the demon from the first movie. But like, in this case, that's some emperors shit.

Because he always talked about, you know, when he did the killing as like his dark side, and like, you know, he's a different person almost. Yeah, I bet you he saw. It's weird that he related to the emperor and his favorite movie was Becoming Evil by Possession. This shit looks like fucking stick death, dude. Yeah, so I sent the boys a picture.

You can see the layout of the- as though you were facing it from the front. From behind the throne. Chair. The black plush chair, rather, sorry, the black plush chair he has written. This is a drawing by Dahmer himself. Flush.

The two skeletons on the left and the right, on the black table, is a row of skulls of his victims and Polaroids. And then there's like a weird blue light candelabra type thing that's very ornate. It's very nerdy. It's extremely dorky and extremely- Imagine.

It'd be the nerdiest shit if it wasn't horrifying. I was about to say imagine some dude on YouTube's background, but skulls and shit. It's roughly the same. I mean, yeah, you're absolutely correct. I- you can look- We can look it up, this easily found out there. It's crazy.

And he was- he had accomplished this. He had made it a skeleton that stood to the side. It was nuts. But this was the final victim of Dahmer thing. Fucking God. And on July 22nd, 1991, Dahmer approached three men with an offer of 100 bucks to accompany him to his apartment for what else,

but to pose nude photographs. Three men? Drink. Yeah, three. He got really- he got really ballsy, I guess, here. He invited them back for- to take nude photographs, drink beer, and to keep him company. One of the trio, 32-year-old Tracy Edwards,

agreed to accompany him to his apartment. And upon entering Dahmer's apartment, Edwards noted a foul odor in several boxes of hydrochloric acid on the floor, which Dahmer claimed to use for cleaning bricks. You know, when you clean bricks. Well, yeah. Yeah, when you do your brick cleaning collection.

Yeah, yeah. I can't imagine being one of the victims and walking into that apartment and immediately being hit with a stench of rot and seeing what I can only imagine is horrifying displays everywhere. Just the biggest bummer you can fucking imagine. After some very minor conversation

upon entering the apartment, Edwards responded to Dahmer's request to turn his head and view his tropical fish, where upon Dahmer very quickly, while he was distracted, placed a handcuff upon his wrist. And when Edwards asked what's happening, Dahmer unsuccessfully attempted

to cuff his wrist together. So Edwards reacted much too quickly. I imagine he was, again, no sleeping meds. He's getting very bold. He was just like went for it. And then he told Edwards to accompany him to the bedroom to pose for nude pictures. Edwards did not apparently see

this attempted handcuffing as a problem and they both went into the bedroom. And while inside the bedroom, Edwards noted nude mail posters on the wall and that a videotape of the Exorcist 3 was already playing. He also noted that he took note of the 57-gallon drum in the corner

from where a nasty odor was eeping out of it into the room. Dahmer then, for whatever reason, brandished a knife and informed Edwards he intended to take nude pictures of him. In an attempt to appease Dahmer, though, Edwards unbuttoned his shirt, saying he would allow him to do so

if he would remove the handcuffs and put the knife away. Very intelligently, and the first one who really tried and do this, then again, he wasn't drugged, so he had the opportunity, he kind of played into Dahmer's desires. In response to this promise,

Dahmer simply turned his attention towards the TV. Edwards observed Dahmer rocking back and forth and chanting, he said, began chanting to himself. He said in a later interview. He then placed his head on Edwards' chest, listened to the heartbeat, and with the knife pressed against his intended victim

that he wanted, told Edwards that he intended on eating his heart. Now, all of this comes from Edwards, and it's important to note that Dahmer has said that's not how any of this went down. And I, it's weird to say, but I tend to believe Dahmer because he was fully ready to admit

and to confess to everything, all his horrible actions, how they died, but this one, he said, this is not how it went down. So we don't know exactly what happened in that apartment, but we do know that Edwards survived. And according to Edwards in continuous attempts

to prevent Dahmer from attacking him, he repeated that he was Dahmer's friend and that he wasn't going to run away. This part, I believe, I truly believe this is what Edwards played into Dahmer's kind of insecurities. Edwards had decided that he was either going to jump from a window

or run through the unlocked door upon the next available opportunity that got presented with him. And when Edwards next stated he needed to use the bathroom, he asked if they could sit with a beer and if they could sit with a beer in the living room where there was air conditioning.

Dahmer actually consented and the pair walked to the living room from when Edwards exited the bathroom. And inside the living room, Edwards waited until he observed Dahmer have a momentary lapse of concentration before requesting to use the bathroom again. So he got to use the bathroom, came out,

they sat in the living room, waited a bit, and Edwards was like, I got to pee again. When Edwards rose from the couch, he noted Dahmer was not holding the handcuffs because he had unhandcuffed his hands at this point, where upon Edwards immediately punched Dahmer in the face, knocking Dahmer off balance and sprinted out the front door.

So he just fucking cold clock Dahmer, well-deserved. That was the best way to get out. It was at this point, 11.30 p.m. on July 22nd and Edwards flagged down the Milwaukee police officers, Robert Routh and Rolf Muller at the corner of North 25th Street. The officers noted Edwards had a handcuffs about his wrist where upon he explained to the officers

that a freak had placed handcuffs upon him and asked if the police officers would remove them. When the officer's handcuff keys failed to fit the brand of handcuffs that he was wearing, Edwards agreed to accompany the officers to the apartment where Edwards stated he had spent the previous five hours before they're getting to escape.

When the officers and Edwards arrived at apartment 213, Dahmer simply invited the trio inside and acknowledged that he had indeed placed handcuffs upon Edwards, although he offered no explanation as to why he had done so. It's weird because unlike before with the kid where he was like, he's my gay lover,

things just got out of hand or whatever, he simply didn't offer an explanation. And it almost seems like as the cops walk into the apartment for the first time, the police entering his temple that he has created over the past 14 months, it's almost like it broke the spell. He becomes somewhat dejected. He stops attempting to explain things away.

And it's at this point, Edwards divulged to the officers that Dahmer had also brandished a large knife on him and that this had happened in the bedroom. Dahmer said nothing to this revelation, indicating to one of the officers, Muller, that the key to the handcuffs was in the bedside dresser. As Muller entered the bedroom, this is where Dahmer attempted to pass Muller

to retrieve the key himself. So as soon as he saw him go into the bathroom, Dahmer tried to step in front of him like, I'll get the key, I'll get the key, no problem. Whereupon the second officer, President Routh, informed Dahmer to back off. In the bedroom, Muller walked in and noted that there was a large knife beneath the bed.

He saw an open drawer, which upon closer inspection, saw contained scores of Polaroid pictures, many of which were of human bodies in various stages of dismemberment. And Muller noted the decor indicated that they had been taken in the same apartment that they were just standing in right now. Muller walked in the living room to show them

to his partner uttering the words, these are for real. Like, I can't imagine being in the cop to fucking walk into that room. You're traumatized for life. Like, you're gonna be dealing with that forever. It's like a movie set. Like, I don't even know what to even, I can't even like picture it outside of a cinematic vibe.

Yeah. And when Dahmer had saw that Muller walked out with all these Polaroids, he immediately stood up and tried to get away, going for the front door, and tried to fight the officers off in an attempt to resist arrest. However, the officers very quickly overpowered him,

cuffed his hands behind his back, and called the second squad car for backup. I can't believe he even bothered to like try. Yeah, that was it. He gave up at that point. He really didn't care anymore. At this point, Muller opened the refrigerator to reveal the freshly severed head

of his previous victim on the bottom shelf. As Dahmer lay pinned on the floor beneath Routh, he turned his head towards the officer and muttered the words, for what I did, I should be dead. And now we see him fall into kind of the personality. We will see him lean on for the rest of his existence, feigning guilt, feigning regret,

and feigning the desire to wish he had never done it all in the first place. He wants to be famous, doesn't want to be hated anymore. Exactly. And it's so important to remember. You know, as I said, every episode, look at his actions, not at his words, how he acted when things happened,

the actions that he took, not the spin of a pathetic, sick individual that he would have wanted you to believe. A more detailed search of the apartment obviously was conducted by the Milwaukee Police Criminal Investigation Bureau, which revealed a total of four severed heads in Dahmer's kitchen, a total of seven skulls,

some painted, some bleached, that were found in Dahmer's bedroom and inside a closet. Investigators discovered collected blood drippings upon a tray at the bottom of Dahmer's refrigerator, plus two human hearts, and a portion of an arm muscle, each wrapped inside plastic bags on the shelves. In Dahmer's freezer, investigators

discovered an entire torso, plus a bag of human organs and flesh stuck to the ice at the bottom, like literally just freezer-burned body parts. And elsewhere in his apartment, investigators discovered two entire skeletons, a pair of severed hands, two severed and preserved penises, a mummified scalp, and in the 57-gallon drum,

three further dismembered torsos dissolving in the acid solution. A total of 74 Polaroid pictures detailing the dismemberment of Dahmer's victims were found, and in reference to the recovery of the body parts and artifacts in that apartment, the chief medical examiner later stated, quote, it was like dismantling someone's museum

rather than an actual crime scene. Just insane amounts in the fact that all of this, all of this was in his apartment for over a fucking year. Beginning in the early hours of July 23rd, Dahmer was questioned by Detective Patrick Kennedy as to the murders he had committed and the evidence found in his apartment. Over the following two weeks,

Kennedy and later Detective Dennis Murphy conducted numerous interviews with Dahmer, which combined totaled over 60 hours. Dahmer waived his right to a lawyer present throughout his interrogation, adding he wished to confess all as he had, quote, created this horror and it only makes sense I do everything to put an end to it.

In a weird self-congratulatory heroic statement, you'll fuck yourself. Like this is, you don't get to take this moment and be the guy who brings clarity and peace. That's not at all. It's all fucking facade. Regardless, he did readily admit to having murdered 16 young men in Wisconsin since 1987

with one further victim, the very first one, Stephen Hicks, who he killed in Ohio in 1978. Most of his victims had been rendered unconscious prior to their murder, as we all know, and how their murders went about. We don't need to necessarily go over all over again. When asked in November 18th of 1991, in an interview whom the altar was dedicated to,

Dahmer simply replied, myself, it was a place where I could feel at home. He further described his intended altar as a place for meditation, where he believed he could draw a sense of power, adding if this arrest had happened six months later, that's what they would have done. It's literally his fucking Splatoon locker.

What a fantastic comparison. It fucking is. What a fantastic comparison. Obviously his indictment, trial, and conviction were rather rapid. On February 15th, the court reconvened to hear their verdict. Dahmer was ruled to be sane

and not suffering from a mental disorder at the time of each of the 15 murders for which he was tried. Although in each count, two of the 12 jurors signified their dissent, which was because they believed him put to be mentally ill. Formal sentencing was postponed

for just a couple of days. And on February 17th, Dahmer's attorney announced his client wished to address the court when Dahmer then approached a lectern and read it from a statement prepared by himself and his attorney, as he faced the judge.

In the statement, Dahmer emphasized that he had never desired freedom following his arrest, and which is clearly not true because he wrote a letter to the judge desiring freedom from his first arrest and that he frankly wished for his own death. He further stressed that none of his murders

had been motivated by hatred, that he understood that nothing he either said or did can undo the terrible harm and that he had caused to the families of his victims in the city of Milwaukee and that he and his doctors believed his criminal behavior had been motivated by mental disorders.

Dahmer added that his medical knowledge had given him some peace and that although he understood that society would never forgive him, he then hoped God would. Well, shit. He fit. Oh, great.

In jail, during his time that he was held in prison, he did confess, became like super Catholic, got involved in all of the different community stuff that you could get involved to in prison. And by the priest that ran the chapel, not only got forgiven for his sins, but the priest completely believed

that Dahmer truly regretted everything and that he was a changed Christian man by his... So you're telling me this sociopathic, narcissistic chameleon of society managed to convince other people that the other times he was like hiding his shit, this time he's not hiding his shit, this time he's not doing this,

the same thing he was doing all the other times. This is totally different. Like, come on, that's so bogus. It's so stupid, exactly. At the end of his statement, Dahmer closed with, quote, I know my time in prison will be terrible, but I deserve whatever I get because of what I have done.

Thank you, Your Honor. And I am prepared for your sentence, which I know will be the maximum. I ask for no consideration. That's when he stopped speaking and returned to his seat, awaiting for formal sentencing. So again, you can see that if nobody looks any deeper,

how easy it is to fall for this man's poor me act as he, quote, quote, kind of tries to take power back into his own hands by admitting guilt. Dahmer was then sentenced to life imprisonment plus 10 years upon the first two counts. The remaining 13 counts carried a mandatory sentence of life imprisonment plus 70 years.

The death penalty was not an option for Judge Graham to consider at the penalty phase, as Wisconsin had abolished capital punishment in 1853. Upon hearing of Dahmer's sentencing, his father Lionel and stepmother Sherry requested to be allowed a 10 minute private meeting with their son before he was transferred to the Columbia Correctional Institution

in Portage to begin his sentence. The request was granted and the trio exchanged hugs and well wishes before Dahmer was escorted away. Three months after his conviction of Milwaukee, though, Dahmer would be extradited to Ohio to be tried for the murder of his first victim, the hitchhiker Stephen Hicks.

And Ohio, they kill people. Yeah, that they do. In a court hearing that lasted a whopping 45 minutes, Dahmer again pleaded guilty to the charges and was sentenced with his 16th life imprisonment term on May 1st, 1992, right before my birthday, right before my birthday. Upon sentencing, Dahmer was then transferred

to Columbia Correctional Institution for the first year of his incarceration. Dahmer was placed in solitary confinement because they were basically afraid he would get murdered by inmates. Yeah, the Ohio prisoners would have killed his ass. Yeah. Yeah.

So they put him in solitary confinement for a year. He received ample correspondence from individuals across the world with several individuals donating money which he spent on items such as cassette recording, stationary, cigarettes, magazines, with Dahmer's consent after one year in solitary confinement,

he was transferred to a less secure unit where he was assigned a two hour daily work detail cleaning the toilet block. So there again, serial killers, unfortunately, weirdly hit this fandom in kind of, I want to say public consciousness but it's a very American thing too. The Dahmer had fans, people who found him hot,

sending him letters, love letters, money. It's crazy that it was, but it happened and I'm sure it made him feel much more comfortable in his confinement. Shortly after completing his lengthy confessions in 1991, Dahmer then requested to Detective Murphy that he be given a copy of the Bible. This request was granted and Dahmer

gradually devoted himself to Christianity and became a born again Christian. On his father's urging, he also read creationist books from the institution of creation research and in May 1994, Dahmer was baptized by Roy Ratcliffe, a minister in the church of Christ

and a graduate of Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah, he was a graduate of Oklahoma Christian University in the prison whirlpool, whatever, like that's like the section he was focused on. Following Dahmer's baptism, Ratcliffe visited him on a weekly basis up until November 94.

Dahmer and Ratcliffe regularly discussed the prospect of death and Dahmer questioned whether he was sinning against God by continuing to live. Referring to his crimes in 1994, with an interview with Stone Phillip on Dateline NBC, Dahmer stated, quote, if a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to,

then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior? What's the point in trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. So basically, why be a good guy if there's no God? Which is just the dumbest fucking thought. How about just be a good guy because it's nice, it's kind to be good to others.

Just hang out, yeah. Yeah, just be chill. Just be chill. Make other people's lives together. Those are the people you gotta worry. If they're like, hey, if you're listening right now and you know anyone who's like... I'm only good because I'm a good Catholic.

I'm only good because I am afraid of punishment and like, bro, watch out for that person. That person is a scumbag. You're not good if you're just trying to not get punished. It's, yeah, it's... Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know, man. I don't see how the frickin'

the priest guy, Roy Ratcliffe. I don't know. I don't know how he got duped by him, but maybe there's like... I wonder if there's a part of him that's like, if he can get this man to convert. It's like a big score because he got like this most evil man that he can possibly think of to turn to God and save his soul.

I just, I wonder if that was part of his motivation to do so. Not that it matters at this point. Not that it fucking matters. Regardless, Dommer's life was at a close end as it was. On July 3rd, 1994, a fellow inmate, Osvaldo Durothy, attempted to slash Dommer's throat with a razor and bedded in a toothbrush as Dommer sat in the prison chapel after the weekly church service was finished.

So they waited until church was done and then they tried to slash Dommer's throat. Dommer only received superficial wounds. It was not seriously hurt from this purchase. It was seriously hurt from this particular incident. And according to Dommer's family, he had long been ready to die and accepted any punishment which he might endure in prison. And I think that's correct, not necessarily for,

I don't know what the reason the family had, but I think, I mean, they asked him to leave solitary confinement after a year and he agreed and he continued to stay that way, even after this attempt on his life. I think to Dommer, life without killing was not a life he wanted to live anymore, but he also didn't have the wherewithal to take his own life. So he, I think he put himself in a situation where he could get killed instead.

I do think Dommer ended up getting suicidal, but it was for selfish reasons and not the, you know, like, I think he just was like, I can't murder. I'm not allowed to live my life. He hates it. Think about it. Remember when he went out for Thanksgiving, he had 10 hours and he couldn't even keep his fucking dick in his pants for 10 hours in an attempt to kill somebody.

He just got reversed. He got a reverse card and that, you know, that particular experience. Regardless, in addition to his father and stepmother maintaining regular contact, Dommer's mother, Joyce, who also maintained regular contact with her son, prior to his arrest, the two had not seen each other since the Christmas of 1983, which we talked about in like episode two, I think. Joyce related that in her weekly phone calls, whenever she expressed concern for her son's physical well-being,

Dommer responded with comment to the effect of, it doesn't matter, mom. I don't care if something happens to me. And that something did eventually come for him. And on the morning of November 28th, 94, Dommer left his cell to conduct his assigned work detail. Accompanying him were two fellow inmates, Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver. The trio were left unsupervised in the showers at the prison gym for approximately 20 minutes.

At approximately 8, 10 a.m., Dommer was discovered on the floor of the bathrooms of the gym, suffering from extreme head wounds. He had been severely bludgeoned about the head and face with a 20-inch, which is 55 centimeter, metal bar. And almost like a poetic, karmic way, because he killed his first victim with the dumbbell bar, if you remember, from his workout gear.

His head had also been repeatedly struck against the wall in the assault. So he like was getting head slammed into the wall as he was getting beat by a metal bar. Although Dommer was still alive and was rushed to a nearby hospital, he was pronounced dead only one hour later. Anderson had been beaten with the same instrument, and two days later Anderson also died from his wounds. So the guy killed both of them.

Fuck. Scarver, who was serving a life sentence for a murder committed in 1990, informed authorities he had first attacked Dommer with the metal bar as Dommer was cleaning a staff locker room before attacking Anderson as Anderson cleaned an inmate locker room. According to Scarver, Dommer did not yell or make any noise as he was attacked. Immediately after attacking both men,

Scarver, who was thought to be schizophrenic, returned to a cell and informed a prison guard. God told me to do it. Jesse Anderson and Jeffrey Dommer are dead. Scarver was adamant that he had not planned to attack in advance, although he later divulged to investigators they had concealed a 20-inch iron bar used to kill both men in his clothing shortly before the killings.

And that is the impromptu, violent end for a violent, horrible man known as Jeffrey Dommer. His body would be cremated, and his ashes would be divided between his parents. I am emotionally, physically, and imaginationally exhausted. Me too. And it's done. And it's so...

His ending is fitting, though I much prefer someone wrought in prison than get the death sentence, live your life miserable and alone forever. But if you're going to get killed, get killed in the way you killed your first victim. I don't want to like... I don't want to associate him with any sort of modern narcissist,

but the way sociopathic, narcissist people always make it about like them being the victim is so gross and so messed up. And the fact that he's like, I guess I deserve to die, isn't... I don't want to make God mad. It's like, fuck you, dude. Shut up.

It's all manipulation. It's gross. He's a pathetic worm. He's not guilty. He's not feeling guilt for his crimes. He doesn't feel or he never felt regret. No, he just says that stuff because it's like he knows people want to hear it.

And it worked. And it worked. And it still kind of works to this day, which is what's crazy to me, is that as people learn about Dahmer, you know, Gen Z's getting in a true crime and they're learning about these people, the line that they are,

that Dahmer was just a sick, but truly maybe an empathetic person is a lie. And it's the same thing for the Menendez brothers, which one day we will cover, the people who killed their parents and how they very meticulously, with help over years in prison, crafted a lie where they were poised

as victims of sexual assault from their father. And it's just not true. But they, it's so convincing and they just spew it so often. And when there's not anybody doing true deep dives, that's what dominates. We see that that like, unless somebody can like retort,

that shit just settles in people's minds. People desperately want to believe that there is good in everyone. And sometimes people, you know. Sometimes there's not. Yeah, sometimes there's just bad people. And that sucks. It sucks for the world.

And, you know, it is what it is. But we all desperately want to be like, you know, if only there was something that we could have done. Even on this show, we're like, you know, he could have got out and become a chicken salesman or he could have got out and like,

we just want to believe that there was a moment. But it's very obvious that there was never going to be a moment ever. Yeah, this is an idea that people pray on all the time, even to just get people to feel a certain way in politics or whatever that like. Every disaster, every awful tragedy is like preventable if you like,

do make the right choices. I mean, in this case, in this case, I feel like there were some choices that could have been made that would have stopped this as earlier points. But you're not going to stop everybody other than Dahmer multiple times over years. You're not going to stop him from existing.

Correct. And I think while the fascination of a true crime can be kind of looked at from both sides of good and bad, I also think, you know, there's a value to learning how these people work and operate and think to see who these people truly are and to kind of educate yourselves on what some red flags may be

from people who seem innocuous at front. And especially the generational trauma, all these stories involved, either a mother or a father who has gone through some fucked up shit. And that is forced on their kids. Whether they want to or not, they're putting it on them.

And then the kid ends up being way, it's just compounding. And man, that's so, it's so sad that that's that it ends up this way. Plus societal pressures and trauma. Like it's, it's very clear, all the things that went wrong, looking back at it.

And you're just like, how, how, how could we possibly have let something like this happen? And you look back and you're like, Oh my God, they were signs were all there. You hope that lessons were learned and you hope that we're better for it. But deep down, you're just like, boy, I don't know if we are.

Don't bury, don't bury history. You're doomed to repeat it if you do. And while sir, we're making entertainment and monetizing this shit, Dahmer, it's still important to know the truth and not to glorify who these people were for the sake of entertainment value. On that, I know people have asked me.

I haven't watched it. The Netflix Dahmer series. I haven't watched it. I have no opinion on it. I have not seen it. I'm sure it's like, well, I'm sure it's well produced. Just have no interest in watching it. And that's just my thing.

Have you watched it, Jesse? Did you watch it at all? No, I, uh, this, I'm not like a big, let's deep dive. This is all very new. Yeah. Is the one show that we watched for, uh, rotten popcorn,

which was the dude, like the guy, the, whatever. Oh, oh, McAfee, the McAfee story. I already forgot his name. That's how unimportant he is to me. But like that's what I want. Like that dude isn't going around like, you know, being brutally awful. He's terrible.

He's, but I can stomach it. Like I don't want to sit there and watch Dahmer, Dahmer, repeat, like what we just did. I don't know if you felt it, but what we just did, Alex and I slowly, slowly, slowly, we're just like, oh boy. Yeah. Like we were less and less ready to

It's a bummer, it's a bummer. It's a bummer, it's always a bummer. It's always a bummer. But you know, we'll take a, we'll take a break now between a little bit of true crime break. We'll do something else in between. We didn't do, we, we are due to do a listener stories.

We, because it's our Halloween special and we obviously missed it. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, you. Okay. Where's my goddamn green stone, Alex? It's time. It's always been there.

Can you provide green stone episode three next week? I don't care what happens next week. I was doing green stone. It's happening. No, okay. I'm used to it. I'm not waiting any longer. All right.

Well, then Jesse, I'll presents you the green stone, the green boulder part one next week. Don't you dare talk about the red stone. Stop it. All right. Right. Yeah. We have to do the red stone before we can finish

the green stone. Actually, you made a good point. We're off to do a mini. So thank you guys so much for your support on Patreon and all the places. If you love the podcast, Hey, drop us a review. It does wonders for us.

And again, we were. Thank you guys for getting us on the true crime charts for like three weeks straight. That was really fucking sick. Very much appreciate that too. We're off to go to the Minnesota. We love you. Bye.

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