Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 209 - The Enfield Poltergeist Part 1 - Serious Business

Episode Date: June 25, 2023

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It's fucking wild. It's, it's a fantastic rob somebody, they tell the black guy to go do it. It's fucking wild. It's a fantastic show. I'll tell you this, me and Jesse share to play in with you, Laurie. Just recently, it was crazy. Every single person on the plane was like, Oh my God, it's you, Laurie. But like everyone also was really respectful. Like no one went to go bug him and...

That's good. In the most genuinely sweet way. He was sitting with, I assume, his wife. It was definitely his wife. It was like little chairs knitting and stuff. It was very beautiful. They were in the first class so they could see it across from each other at like a little bench seats

and they were like chatting and knitting with the glasses on the plane. Everybody was like, it's hilarious. Nobody was like, Pixar's, ah! They were all just like, we're like really big fans, even the flight attendants. It was just like, it was a good vibe.

Well, that's awesome. I want, that's a fantastic sight. To see house knitting. I don't know which one's frying, which one's Lori. That's actually a great question. Yeah, who are you of the two? I don't know who Fry is. Steven Fry, you don't know who that is?

Oh, maybe I do know, that name is familiar. 100% to. There's like no way you don't know who he is. Oh, maybe I do know, that name is familiar. 100% to. There's like no way you don't know who he is if you saw a picture of him. Let's take a look. He's the host of QI for many years. This man is wasting his time to acknowledge that he knows a man.

Gamer reference, he's the, he's the dare winner. Oh, I know this man. Yeah, I know that face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen him on many TV shows. A narrator of a million things. Yeah. What broke them up?

Just success. I think just age time. Sure time sure sure the sands of time Success age time. They're I think they both must be they must both be nights like by now like they got the Sir action going on. Oh Dean seer Dean are they nights. Do you know they must both be no surely She's gonna look it up in the meantime. You can assure we don't split up. Dan. Like going to Patreon. What?

Not com. You want to make sure we don't split up by going to patreon.com. Is that what you're saying? Somebody, there were a couple of people who genuinely thought me and Jesse was like, we're like angry at each other over the UAP stuff. Like guys, so you know, money will keep us together. Guys, this is, this is some I've been talking about a lot. Listen to me, I wanna get real about something really quick

before we go into whatever the heck. I don't, I genuinely don't know what this episode's about. You listening, you already read the title. I don't know what it is. We trust each other on the show. We're like actual friends, we know each other for years. We trust each other to like say things that will make each other mad because we know as people that we won't be like

Mad at each other in a way that's like beyond the pale like we won't ever go like across that line And I think like the thing about online arguments that I think people Conflate with in in-person arguments with people that you trust is that the emotions in venom that are like slinging around online are real People are just awful to each other online. There was a study that came out today that was like, people, it's not about defending your beliefs, it's not about anything like that, it's just getting a dopamine rush from the cruelty. Yep.

So think twice. Yeah, we love each other, you fucks. And aliens are real. Jesse, you will be eating a shit pie sandwich one day, and I will be here. Not, no, I won't. Yes, you will. Nobody's shit pie sandwich one day and I will be here. No, I won't. Yes, you will. Nobody's going to eat any poo poo sandwiches. You will.

I'm willing to take that bet that in our lifetime, we will still not see aliens. I'm going to take that bet with you. I will. I'll take that bet 100%. Do we want a timeline? Like, I say our lives are lives. Our lives. Whoever dies first.

I have to still be around. If I'm dead, it doesn't count. If I'm killed by aliens before they announce themselves, and then the next day they show up, it doesn't count. I still win. First of all, that would send me into the biggest, like, spiral of all time knowing that you were killed by aliens while you didn't believe. And nobody has evidence of it.

And now I'm gonna become Alex Jones. Somehow is that's, that's gonna lead me down that path. As I'm dying, I'd be like, I don't believe it don't believe it and that's the gray is a standing over you sell this protein powder to the people Get it out to them help their brains be strong Guys what can't you get on patreon? That's the real question anything from ad free episodes to a mini-sode after everyone These did you know that I've been continuing the story of the Greenstone on the mini-sodes for many, many weeks now? And that it's getting to its next big act,

like it's getting to like, if this was Marvel, which it is not, it's all true. But if it was Marvel, it was like a Marvel cinematic universe type thing, we'd be in like phase two or three right now. Oh my God. Of our overall, I guess five phase journey. By the time phase five is done, they're going to be over superheroes, right?

Right. Anyway, there's going to be art that you can get. There's going to be pre-sale merch that you can get. There's a show called Rotten Popcorn that may turn into us showing Mathis the entire series of ex files. Stay tuned. Who knows? Everybody's loving the ex files.

Mathis, I want to be real. We, I talked to be real. We I talked about this yesterday with Jesse and Davis. Mathis actually used a molder gif in context with the appropriate knowledge of who Fox molder was the other day while talking about aliens. Specifically. Yeah. It felt like a little angel grew his wings. Yeah. It's perfect. Jesse driving me crazy as always. Yeah. We're changing lives.

Oh my fault. You have unsubstantiated claims. I gave you the government papers, you stent this is what happens every time, guys. And it's because we love each other that we're, it was politically motivated. It's just us loving each other. You know what I mean? That's what this is all, this is what this whole thing is.

Now this is tilted back in his chair right now with his eyes closed because he's happy. And he loves you so much. He's surrounded by family. And that's what's important. Patreon.com slash channel adipad, you're real family. The one that loves you.

For sake those you live with, come to patreon.com slash chalibonadi pod. We are your family now. We, I don't know, I don't make that claim. We are your family. Don't do that to people. We are your family now. It's welcoming.

No, no. Patreon.com slash channel adip people. We are your family now. It's it's it's welcoming. No, no, no. Pedro.com slash shumani pod. We are your family now. Unless we're a found family, like fast and furious. In which case, we must commit crimes together. It's all about fume. Exactly. Yeah. Was that not perfect? That they sounded just like Dominic Taredo. Yeah. Dominic Pareto. Dominic Pareto Dominic Torreto. I saw the only person for a series movie I have seen is the second one. Tyrant. The shit is the matter with you. What do you mean? The second one? It sucks. It's funny because me and my sister rented it when it came out to block Buster nearby and we watch the first one. None of them are, none of them are essential viewing.

Like, like, it's, it's delightful popcorn fun. There's not one masterpiece among them, but somehow you still, if you're gonna watch the second one, the first one is essential viewing, dude. But somehow, because, Dom, Dom wasn't in the second one until the very end. I'm a winner. There's just something even worse about it being that weird

odd ball one where they weren't sure that it was a hit yet. I guess, yeah. I also saw, I told Dean, because we were talking about something beforehand about movies. And I saw, oh, we were talking about across the spiderverse and like the cool shit they did with animation. And you're saying is anybody else I've ever done that before? And the only thing I could think of was the incredible Mr. Limpet.

Yeah, that's great. When he became a fish, I love, I love the incredible Mr. Limpet. I, that's great. When he became a fish. I love the incredible Mr. Limpet. I've seen that movie multiple times. Did you steal one movie from a very old man's house? Is that what happened? No, my great-grandmother had a cabinet of VHS's. You great-grandmother?

Yeah, she's dead now, RIP. Oh, well, hey, Rip, but hey, that's a great tasting movie's right there. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, it was that. Any other weird older movies I saw, that was from where I saw them. Like my, her little wooden cabinet of VHS, she had 1999 Godzilla in there. What?

Seeing that many times. That's a matter of theaters though. Yeah. All right. I saw that in the theaters first. All right. And I think actually that's the only Godzilla movie I've seen, because I haven't even seen the new ones.

This is like making a murderer, you guys. This is crazy. It really, all of it slowly, the pieces, the love, I do this, the pieces fall into place. Yeah. It just makes more and more sense. You think you feel like it makes sense, and then the more you zoom out, the more you realize

it's just more to come. Big fan of the Star Wars universe, only movie I've seen is Rogue One. Not true, I have seen all of it. Actually, I actually really like the Star Trek universe. I prefer it. The only movie I've seen is Star Trek 4, the journey to the best one. What is the time travel one? The whale one. Yeah, yeah, that's the only one I've seen. I've only seen, I try to think of this any other movies that saw like the like a middle

one of and I can't really think. Kelly's only saw that she's seen is Sawto, which is like pretty much the same exact situation. Thank you. That is correct for me. I was Sawto until only recently, I saw Sawto one like a few months back. That's exact. Sawto is absolutely the Tokyo drift of the Saw franchise.

Is that absolute like, in my opinion, absolutely. Saw one is like actually a pretty good movie. And then the third movie, they're like, oh, these make money. Let's like put some effort into these. But the second one is like a crazy movie that doesn't make any sense. The purge, I've only seen the last one.

That's all right. There's, you know, it's not like there's a cup on to great purges, right? Yeah, I mean, that's fair, right? That's what I say. You know what, today's more fun than net, though, boys. The day's more fun than all of those things, though, there's a nice little segue via movie.

You know, we've done some aliens, we've done some true crime. We haven't visited the realm of ghostly paranormal in quite some time. That is true. And one of the topics I've been wanting to cover for the sense, the sense of the show's inception is a little case that actually took place out in England known as the Enfield Poltergeist. Oh, man, this is a very famous case. It is a very famous case. In fact, the Conjuring 2 was based on that case.

What do you know of the Enfield Poltergeist then now? It's some curious what your understanding of it is. I don't know that much about it, actually. I just know that it's like a very famous case that like if you buy a book on like ghost around the world, it's going to be in there. I've heard the name a bunch of times and I believe there's like a movie or two about it that are like not like the conjuring but like documentaries and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, one of the big things people think when they think of Enfield, Poltergeist is the warrants, which we will our own talk about in detail in the second episode in part two. What was that, Alex? I said, our old pals, the warrants. Yeah, I was about to say, oh, the warrants. The warrants started this show with us right alongside us. They did. Amity Villajour are right next to us. And here we are still checking out cases that they claim they were heavily involved in that they may not have been. Patreon.com slash two money podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. In the cool, dappled shade of an average British home, the normality,

their normality was about to shatter the address of 284 green street and field London, a rather ordinary council of how council house in a quiet suburb where you could hear, imagine yourself putting yourself there walking the streets, you can hear the children's laughter in the playful sunny swell its England's, cloudy streets with a distant home of city life not too far away. And in the late summer of 1977, an eerie silence settled on one house in particular. Something was lurking in the corners, a chilling presence that would turn the lives of the Hodgson family upside down and mark this address as a notorious spot in the annals of

supernatural history. This is the tale of the Enfield Poltergeist, A story that some of you might think you know due to the story being used as inspiration for the sequel to the Conjuring, the Conjuring 2. While that story focuses on the involvement of the Warrens, it's entirely fabricated. A total lie, and their involvement with the Enfield Poltergeist will be addressed in the second episode.

But just to say, the Enfields, I mean, the Warrens, rather, were not really involved in this case, minus like a couple of hours when they showed up, but their story, they tell is one of entirely like them solving the case, which is another feather in the cap of them being nothing but a bunch of con artists. Oh, yo, I think this is the one. There's some, do you remember, do you remember when I did that big long one

that was like a bunch of different things in one? Yes, I think we did tap, tap on this one for a little bit. Well, what I tapped on was there's a show on BBC that was called Ghostwatch. Yes. That was like a fake documentary about this and it was like one of those kind of like the war of the world's type situations.

I remember this. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I think it's like kind of based on this haunting. I think this was like the hot haunting at the time that it was like kind of pretending to be like. Yeah, this haunting was very hauntings. Yeah, nook stop five, top five ghosts. Yeah, so while the conjuring and the warrens tell you a different tale, it's not the truth at all.

And before we dive into the truth, it being shout out to our main sources for this episode, specifically the book, the houses haunted, the amazing inside story of the Enfield Poltergeist by Guy Lion and by Guy Lion Play Fair, who was one of the lead and primary investigators on the case, as well as the book, the Poltergeist Prince of London, that are markable true story of the Batter Sea Poultergeist by Vinso Neal. This is not directly about the Enfield Poultergeist, but it does delve into other cases that Maurice Gross, who was the prime lead investigator on this case, also did. And how he got involved into this story is a fascinating in and of itself.

And I will say another one, if anybody else who wants to read a one that I only got to read a little bit of is just a book by Will Store called Will Store versus a supernatural one man searched for the truth about ghosts. This dude is, it's like the skeptical look on all of it all. It's the, which is like very necessary for, for all of this. So, back to the actual story at, at, at play here. Peggy Hudson, a Hodgson rather, a single mother of four, was the first to sense the strain-nishness in her home that would soon haunt her for over a year, 18 months to be exact. Her family consisted of Margaret 13, Janet 11, Johnny 10, and Billy 7. All seem normal from the outside, uh, living their normal lives until the evening of August 30th,

1977. As Peggy began to tuck her children into bed that night, a shiver ran down her spine. But she brushed it off as the nip of an early autumn and retired to her room to go to bed. But that night, Janet and Johnny complained of a disturbance within their room, a knocking sound that echoed around the room and a chest of drawers shuffling on its own accord, just all moving in and out, in and out. Dismissing its childhood fantasies though, their mother Peggy urged them to just get back to bed. However, when she, too, witnessed the cabinet slide across the carpeted floor, the blame, the blood drained from her face,

and unable to comprehend the bewildering phenomenon, she immediately reached out to their neighbors, the noddingham's for health. So crazy. So just that night shit just popped off out of nowhere. There wasn't really a slow build up. It was just knocking drawers opening, and a fucking cabinet just slid. Vick and Peggy Nottingham equally puzzled failed to find a logical explanation for what she had described. And in desperation, they decided to contact the local police. WPC Carolyn Heaps arrived at the scene, skeptical but ready to investigate, and she was expecting a prank. But what she witnessed that night was a chair, inexplicably lurching forward without any human touch. Called to the Hodgson home on the night of August 31, 1977, Keeps was initially skeptical. Reports of strange noises and moving furniture from a distressed mother and her children could

easily be dismissed as a prank or the result of an overactive imagination. However, her skepticism was going to be wholly challenged a prank or the result of an overactive imagination. However, her skepticism was going to be wholly challenged in an unexpected way. Upon her arrival, heaps, along with another officer, conducted a thorough search of the Hodgson House. As they moved, room to room, they noticed nothing out of the ordinary, but soon they too became witnesses to the inexplicable events that had caused the Hodgson's to call out in such distress. WPC Heaps reported seeing a chair wobble and slide seemingly on its own and moved nearly four feet across the floor, despite there being no one close enough to have pushed it or

kicked it. And in her written report, he stated that, quote, a large armchair, unassisted four feet across the floor, or unassistedisted four feet across the floor or unassisted moved four feet across the floor. The officer trained to approach situations rationally and objectively should could not find or identify any reason for the movement. So we have right out the gate. We are settled with a police report that corroborates slightly on that.

Now that's not to say that one could not still say this may be a prank. While there was no one around the chair, it is always possible. You have the old fishing line trick that, you know, in the dark or in a dimly room, he gets yanked four feet across the floor. But one has to imagine she checked out the chair afterwards, at least you would hope that's what she did and wasn't able to find such a thing. But we don't know if she did that. We only have her in report. Like, what could you measure? What could you possibly measure? Yeah. Yeah, you just feel around, I guess. Like, I'm trying to think of, I genuinely tried to think of other ways it could move. A gust of wind unless it's like a raging storm, I can't imagine would

maybe like a big ass truck goes by and you maybe vibrate, you know, like you're the building vibrates and goes, I feel like they would have felt that. Yeah, this has been, there's a video that's been making the rounds the last couple of days of a kind of old timey looking tricycle in a kid's room that's just moving by itself. And it's one of those things where I'm looking at it, I don't, I'm over here like, it's not a ghost, but I'm trying to figure out what's moving it, and I honestly can't figure it out.

Cause it like turns and some like, unless they got due to ads and gizmos in there, I don't, so yeah, I don't know how you figure it out. Yeah, mathematically, It doesn't. And now they're like, they may be its visual effects, right? Maybe somebody just having a good time. Maybe they painted somebody out that was sitting on the tricycle. But this is 1977.

Yeah, I don't know. And there's no way for her to be like, no, I was, I was, I, she witnessed it. At least she claimed, right. And given that she couldn't explain the movement as the result of trickery or natural causes, keeps testimony added. A later, a layer of credibility to the Hodgson's claims in the eyes of many. However, her experience in subsequent reports didn't provide any solutions or relief for the family at all.

If these department eventually determined that since there were no signs of physical harm or criminal activity, the case was kind of beyond their jurisdiction. I mean, as a cop, you're a cop, all right? You're a cop in New York City in 1977, Jesse and Alex, you get a call that there's a ghost haunting. You go, you see a chair get whipped across. You try everything you can to explain it. Well, now what?

Is it your job? Do you still try to help them? Or do you just like, well, best of luck, lady? Yeah, I mean, like, that's it. Like, who's going to say it's maybe it is a ghost? I like to think that you're smoking a 1977 cigarette hand roll. Do you've got the dangling metal chains, a pistol, six shooter at the ready? I just look like Colombo.

A comment like Colombo. Man, it takes a very, it takes like a deep interest in your hobby. Not here. Yeah. I asked the ghost questions. He's like, is that, is that paper of a shame? Oh, by my wife. I don't like this. I don't like strong breeze here in New York yesterday, man.

Well, Carolyn heaps her encounter with this inexplicable event remains one of the still notable early accounts of the haunting and one that people typically point to as evidence of something going on largely due to her role as what really was perceived as an unbiased and professional observer. Now, it's also not clear if he was a personal believer in the paranormal, which is something that could lean her one way or another, but we are taking her at, you know, we're given her the benefit of the doubt here. We're assuming she's seeing what she's saying.

She's seeing and she did everything she could as a police officer to try and help. And the days that followed only seem to amplify the chilling occurrences, which, as we spoke in another episode, tends to happen with poltergeist activity. Poise and objects took flight, inexplicably thrown in random directions, knocking sounds echoed through the home like an unseen and true to his footfalls, keeping them up late at night, and then the children began to speak in voices that were not of their own.

Voices that seemed to belong to an elderly man who spoke of his death in that very house. Voice of Dom Delewese doing his pizza the hot impression from space balls. This was only the beginning of what would become one of the most documented cases of Poltergeist activity. One that has not only audio recording but photographs as well, a chilling tale of family under siege by an invisible foe, and as the phenomenon intensified, a Hodgian family could not have known that they were at the precipice of an ordeal that would not only test their courage, but shattered their skepticism, and forever imprint their address on the map of the unexplainable. And I want you to know right now, the main focus of this haunting was a girl, Janet, 11 years old,

who is still very much alive today and has given interviews semi-recently. And that woman looks, does not, she hates talking about it, she looks like she's seen some shit. If you want to look up Janet Hodgson, you can see interviews with her or throughout her life. This fucked her up or throughout her life. This fucked her up for her whole life. This was not something she made money on. She just interesting. It fucked her up.

It really truly did. And in that, we can say the and field poltergeist is now fully awoken. It wouldn't be long before the name Maurice Gross echoed in the eerie silence of the Hodgson household, however, He was a seasoned investigator with none other than the Society for Psychical Research, SPR. Hey. Yeah, I've ever heard of that. Have you ever heard of that? Psych Society of Psychical Research before?

No. No, I don't know if there are still around today to be honest with you. I think I know a similar group that has a, like a really old style Victorian headquarters that got kind of messed up. Yeah. What's that? I did. Yeah.

What? Yeah. Could we get some more details about that? There's a couple episodes back. You can check out. Don't worry about it. Oh, okay. They, I don't really remember any of that.

Yeah. It's okay. Yeah. I know. The albler together after a while. Actually, when the, the SPR reached out and were informed, Peggy, that they were coming, she fainted, apparently, because she thought that it was a group of, like, not psychics, like therapists that dealt with psych, like, the mind, because previously,

one of her children had been sent away. Like, she thought they were, like, psychologists? Yes, psychologists that they had sent, they had recommended sending one of her children away because they were going through some shit, which is not really the focus of the topic. And she didn't want to do that again. And she thought that that was what was gonna happen. So when she heard that name, she apparently fainted. The Society of Psychogooleries for Psychical Research

was founded in London in 1882, which I think is the basis of that game for the PS4 that came out. Uh, the order 1882 is 1886. Or 1886, yeah. About like five hour long, like beautiful game. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

It's one of the oldest organizations dedicated to the study of paranormal phenomena, and it is conducted and published research on a variety of subjects, including telepathy, apparitions, hauntings, and poltergeists. The SBR aims to approach these phenomena from a scientific and scholarly perspective, maintaining an open mind while also seeking natural explanations where the experience is reported. And for those of you who are listening and go, hey, hang on, hauntings, apparitions, and poltergeists are all the same thing. They're not.

If you don't know that, you haven't been, you haven't listened to the podcast enough. They're all very different supernatural things. Go back, re-listen to the episodes, do your homework. I'm just learning. Learn the lore suckers, patreon.com slash shlaminari pod.

Ad free. Maurice Gross was a successful inventor in the field of miniaturizing heating elements and had a personal tragedy in his life that would lead him to join the SPR. In 1976, his daughter died in a motorcycle accident. Shattered by his loss, he began to explore the possibility of life after death and became eventually, which eventually led him to becoming a member of the SPR. This personal experience likely made

him particularly receptive to investigating claims of supernatural occurrences and is also very important to note moving in because there's no way to spend that there might be a little bias behind some of what he might feel to be true to hope that his daughter may have a life after. Most notably, however, his daughter's name was the same as the girl who would end up being the focus of the haunting. Janet, just like that movie with Batman and Superman Martha My down on the name

Is that was that who was there? That's the climax of the film when they're like You know the name others I didn't see you guys not seeing that movie I'm sorry Maurice grosses involvement with the Enfield Port, the Poltergeist, began very shortly after the stranger currents has started in late August 1977. Hearing about the alleged Poltergeist activity from a news report, Gross, as a member of the Society for Psychical Research, quickly offered his hand to help. The same day, he visited the Hodgson family at their Green Street home to commence his first

of a long series of investigations that would find him with this family for well over a year. And upon his arrival, the nature of the case immediately began to entree gross. The reported phenomenon included moving furniture, strange knocking sounds, and even thrown objects. Moreover, these were not isolated incidents, but were occurring with alarming regularity. Gross found the testimony of the Hodgson family, especially the two girls Janet and Margaret to be convincing.

Is there really any of those remarked by personally witnessing numerous unexplained events? Objects such as Lego bricks and marbles were thrown around, often becoming hot to the touch afterwards, which is interesting as that doesn't always happen. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, wait, what does that mean though? I've heard of it before, like in other hauntings, like it's like transfer of energy leaves you warm. Something like that, right?

Something along those lines. Okay, well, but I thought ghosts are supposed to make you cold. They can change the temperature because they take the energy out of the air and they lower the temperature of the. This is not a ghost. This is a poltergeist, which isn't really a task. No, no, what I mean, like the concept of, but I think I understand the idea of energy transference. It's exchange. It's exchange of energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you can, there's also stories of people getting smacked by ghosts and here in like they don't they don't feel it happening But they feel that weird leftover burn and then you look at them and you can see the red mark of where it is

It's the kind of idea of the reason why the air gets cold is because the ghost is using the energy of the room like Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah sucks it up. Yeah exchange of energy. I get the lore. Yeah, who's got that kinetic power Oh god, the X-Men. He's got the lore. Yeah, who's got that kinetic power? Oh God, the X men, he's got the car. Oh, I don't know that street fighter. No, his name is the, he's, he's, oh, God Kevin Bacon. What? It's Kevin Bacon. Okay, it is. It's Kevin Bacon, but I can't remember what his name is right now because I'm on the spot and I just forgot. It's the head of the, it's the head of the Hellfire Club. Sebastian Shaw. I'm there. We got there. There you go. Done. I opened up Google to, I opened up a Google to search it and I thought,

what am I going to search for? Sebastian Shaw. He's French. He's like, Erzika, he's very throws cards. He has a stat. Oh, Gambit. Gambit. Thank you. We're in there. There we got there. We got there. We're in there. Gambits like ghosts. He's got the same, that's the guy you were thinking of. Gambit. Yeah. I'm not talking about Sebastian Shaw. I mean, sorry. You know what? What's your soldier? Are we? No, that's Sebastian Stan. That's a real guy. Oh, I'm sorry. Sebastian just, he said it was such earnestness and his face, he was like, it wasn't for a goof. He said it, and he meant it, and I'm just in awe. Just, you got to respect this. Is there a party that wishes you were me

because you so much to experience still? Honest of God, so much. Yeah, 100% of the time. That's the best show. I wish I was you all of the time. Ha, ha, ha. Only after like your 35 against good. All right, well, I'll wait.

I'm almost there. His early days at the house were marked by personally witnessing numerous unexplained events like the Lego bricks and all that stuff. He observed furniture, particularly chairs moving seemingly on their own. The phenomena seem to intensify in specific situations, particularly when the girls were present and during the night hours. And we did talk about this too. I believe it was during the Borley rectory episode.

We were talking about poltergeist activity, particularly tends to happen during like, Q-Besent, Pre-Pubesent kids who are like turning into teenagers. Yeah, some people were saying it's like unconscious, like venting of energy through like some sort of, I don't know. Alex, I'm proud of you. I'm a proud of you for no one that. I read all the shit.

I'm a fan. I'm a fan of the lore. That's correct. That there might be something with just the energy they're giving off, the hormones and whatnot, because technically, typically when you're looking at Pulitzer Gryps, I give you this. And it's almost always a girl too.

So I'm about that time of the month showing up, the poltergeist are like, Bing-Bang boom, we're here. That's probably like ingrained cultural sexism. Let's be real though. I was about to say that doesn't sound. Oh, sure. Like, it's real.

That's not like something someone said. I'm saying. It's like periods are mysterious, bro. Like some of the big puts are like, and that's why girls don't go outside of the village and mind their own business. One big foot who's getting his dick sucked by a woman who married him and is growing

like me. Oh, you mean the not true story? That's a specific big foot, you know what I mean? That's like one guy. You mean the very not true story of not all big feet? He's the guy, where's that T? This is like, you laugh at me because I'm different. I laugh at you because you're the same.

He's like the little same. Yeah, no, he's like the day walker. He's the small foot. He's got one foot in both worlds. And it's the same foot because it's a big foot. He's got one foot in both worlds. Harry in the Henderson's 10th. The same foot. Chaluminati, the movie Harry in the Henderson's two.

I got that's a I have seen Harry. That's a good movie. I like Harry in the Henderson's to That's a I have seen Harry that's a good movie I like Harry and the Henderson's good. You've seen that that's the one I've seen it. I need to just sit down with me when he says when he says what movies he hasn't seen I look like Harry and the Henderson's Fantastic No, I can't see it. But if you watch the movie, you know exactly what that's like. You really do. I can't. There's the old yellow scene. You know the scene.

When they try to think about it, he'll make him leave any won. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, errr. He hits him. And he's like, oh. What a fantastic. Go, your friends, John Lutko. We're here.

I don't know how we got here, but we're here. We got to we got a beer back to the ghost, ghost, ghost, I like the ghosts because there's not like murder that I'm laughing over. So it feels good. Yeah. Yeah. See, I have that gallows, humor, man. Now you got to you got to make fun of that shit. It was during these initial investigations that gross also became aware of the strange disembodied voices, particularly one that seemed to emanate from Janet. And it was this raspy male voice claiming to be the spirit of a deceased man by the name of Bill Winkins, or Wilkins, I wish it was Winkins. Bill Winkins. That's nobody else. Bill Winkins is like already quite, he's

set a scary mother fucker's name. That guy has a knife, Bill Wilkins. He sits in the back of the bar where you can't see him. Yeah. This voice both puzzled and alarmed gross. And this spirit claimed, this claimed spirit seemed to be able to be answering questions that interactive people, which added another further layer of complexity to this case. And soon, he would have someone join him during this investigation for that entire year. In the waning days of the summer of 1977, as the strange events of the Hodgson residents in Enfield were rapidly unfolding, Maurice Gross was already on the case.

However, he soon realized that the scope and complexity of this phenomenon were growing beyond what one man could effectively document and investigate. He understood that a phenomenon of such magnitude needed to be studied and needed to be studied from multiple perspectives, and for this, he needed a partner. A phone call was made, a request was sent, and soon Guy Lion Play Fair, another member of the society for a psychical research was on his way to join Grossin, what would become one of the most notorious paranormal investigations in history. Guy Lion Playfare. This dude is a baller. I don't even know this man. Johnny Albion. I mean, here's how you type it. It looks as good as it sounds, honestly.

No, I believe you don't need to sell me on this. There you go. That's guy. It's LYOM. It's not even LYOM. I lie in play fair. I love it. That dude is a guilty gear character. One that you would play or one that you would hate playing against. It's probably a game, like a character that could kill me without me even understanding what I was looking at.

But he's also a character that is an intro scene. He's carried out by servants. And he like steps down on one of them and like has a cane that he beats you with. Yeah. And also he's part turtle. Right. Right. He has a turtle shell. Yeah. Uh, uh, that Mitch McConnell. Yeah. Yeah. Mitch McConnell would absolutely get himself carried out by servants that he hits with the cane. Mitch McConnell is not guy play fair. No, Mitch McConnell would absolutely get himself carried out by serving study hits with the cane. Mr. Mitch McConnell is not guy play fair. No, it's not Mitch McConnell. No. Yeah, this guy was another member of the SPR and joined gross very shortly afterward. Don't shake your head at me. Play fair. We are. I love it. That's like there was no stranger to the supernatural

either prior to his involvement in the Enfield case, he had been time in Brazil researching and writing about psychic phenomenon, including poltergeist activity. His unique experience and the practical skills he'd honed over the years made him a worthy ally in the investigation that gross was just about to undertake. And their first meeting in the Hodgson House was a testament to the extraordinary situation that they found themselves about to face together. No sooner had play fair across the threshold of the house than he found himself in the midst of a spectacle of supernatural fucking chaos. Objects were flying through the air, the strange, disembodied voice of an old man echoed through the halls, and a palpable fear hung heavy in the air. I just like imagine this dude walks into the health as his hat

on. He just like opens and just sees like a child flying across the room, taking off his hat, calmly and coolly, hanging it up on the hat hanger, opens his suitcase as a chair flies at him as he coolly dodges his head just enough. He's ready for this shit. That's the vibe. That's the, that's the, the Pope's, uh, the Pope's exorcist. Yeah. It sounds so cool, like a thing I would want to witness, right? But is dangerous because there's objects that can hurt you flying around, right? But if they weren't able to hurt you, I'd be like, put me in the center of that. I want to be like Batman on the bat circle of a never-damp movie. I want that. Ha! Duh-dee-duh-dee-duh-dee-duh!

And in the days and nights that followed, PlayFare and Gross established a dedicated partnership between the two of them. They complemented each other, and with Gross's personal motivation of willingness to challenge the entity, balanced by PlayFare's methodical approach and healthy skepticism, they stood stood side by side facing both the inexplicable phenomenon, the ways of criticism and disbelief that would soon be coming their way. Together, they had set out on a tireless pursuit of the truth, braving sleepless nights and intense scrutiny.

So much so that it bordered on weird privacy intrusion, and it was never anything creepy on the kids or creepy with the family, but they were the dudes that you want investigating your house if you think it's haunted. Sure. Every fucking angle they could think of, every room they were in, they essentially started here ready to believe you. Yeah. They essentially started living in this house part time like it became their life.

And what do you say Alex? I was very, very impassionately talking about them. Little ghost buster ring. Little ghost busters, ref. No worries. I see ghost busters though. Little ghost busters, ref. No worries. I see ghost busters though. So that's good. That's cred.

I think they don't, I mean, real talk. Every single person that I know, I expect them to have seen ghost busters pretty much if they're the same age as me. Is there another movie you would expect people your age to have seen? Godfather. You know, I haven't seen that though. Oh, that's true. Okay. Air Force one. No, no, no, Independence day. Oh, that's good. Independence day for sure. Independence

day, Jurassic Park. Yep. Seeing it, seeing it. My expectations are low though. So gladiator saving private Ryan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. We're, we're all millennials. We're right. It's true. So again, together they set out on their tireless pursuit of the truth and spending many nights living in this chaos of paranormal. They meticulously documented the strange happening, collected hours of audio that we can all go listen to

and we will hear at some point. And visual evidence, interviewed witnesses, and conducted numerous experiments to rule out any possible natural explanations. They were driven by a shared conviction that the Hodgson family was in the grip of something truly inexplicable. And these are the two that are the hero of the story, not the warrants, not anybody else. These two were the ones that stuck by the family side the entire time. And so began the remarkable partnership that would last for over a year, transforming the Enfield Poltergeist from a local incident into a case that would fastenite and battle

the world for decades to come. It was an alliance forged and the crucible of the unexplained. And the two investigators would go into their quest for understanding, very prepared, might I say. Drowsen Playfare quickly understood the need for tangible evidence, which I appreciate. I think Jesse would as well. He stayed up a series of tape recorders, cameras and other devices all around the house in hopes of capturing the phenomena as they occurred.

They also kept a detailed logbook of events marking down the time, date, nature of the incidents as well as any potential witnesses that also were around. During his time, yeah, exactly. During this time at the Enfield House, Gross and Play fair managed to record hours of knocking and sounds and the eerie voice that seemed to possess Janet. This audio evidence provided valuable material for further analysis. Also captured was the famous photo of Janet apparently levitating in her bedroom, a contentious piece of evidence that is still debated by skeptics and believers today.

And don't you worry, I'm going to get you that picture right now. Hell, yes, I was about to ask. And this is, I believe I've never seen it, but I'm assuming there must be a scene where in the movie, she's like floating in some bizarre way. There's an immediate, I think, healthy skepticism that should have be had for this picture. All right, let's see. All right, well, okay.

I mean, let's just talk about, it looks like someone jumping off a bed, as well looks like. I mean, correct. It really, really does. It's not even, I could jump that high off a bed right now and I'm like a very, very out of shape rotund man in a Hawaiian shirt. The there's actually a, where is this damn thing? I'm going to try and find you.

This might be something to include in anything we post online, but someone took all the photos and just made a gift of them. Oh fantastic. It literally looks in gift form like someone jumped off a bed. Correct. That would make sense to me. It literally looks in gift form like someone jumped off a bed. Correct. That would make sense to me. It literally to me just has the vibe of like a straight up punk rock front frontman show like dive. Like it doesn't look in any way super human to me. Right. I agree with you. I fully agree with you. It's not like the greatest photo to use evidence. It really does look like she. I fully agree with you. It's not like the greatest photo to use

evidence. It really does look like she's just jumping off the bed. And like you can look at the bed. And it's hard. Like there's no one. I mean, does an invitation clearly from where she was sitting? It's it's really, really hard to see. Yeah. I also don't know. I don't look like anything paranormal rather. Yeah. I also don't know who that man is on the wall, but that's a pretty old guy to be on a poster on the wall of like a kid. Is that is that Wilkinson Billy Wilkinson his spears body before he died? That's him. That's him. That's him. That's it. I'm sure like the shining. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, this is another couple. If you google it, you can see so many other photos as well. There's a lot of them out there. Um, but it's just worth keeping a healthy skepticism when seeing them because like they said, yeah, it looks like somebody jumping off the bed.

One of the most dramatic and significant events for them, the two of them, were happened on the nights of the infield poltergeist investigation, took place in the evening of December 3rd, 1977, as a chill of winter descended onto green street. More recent, more recent Gross and Guy play fair steal themselves for another long night hoping to confront the elusive entity that seemed to thrive in darkness. Earlier that day, the entity's activity

had been particularly intense, prompting the investigators to anticipate further phenomenon in early evening hours. The events in the house seem to have a strange rhythm with periods of relative calm followed by intense episodes of paranormal activity. Gross and play fair had come to understand this pattern and they were ready to take advantage of it. As the as the evening wore on, they started their vigil in earnest. They had strategically placed a series of taper corded in the children's bedrooms as the entity seemed to have a particular affinity for these rooms. Play Fair Man to Camera, ready to capture any visual anomalies, a dude had like a camera at the ready,

and every knock, every flicker of light, was meticulously noted down in their books. This was a stakeout, albeit one against an enemy they could neither see nor predict. The hours would tick on by with no significant activity. The investigators kept their vigil, though, and their patients was a testament to their dedication. And then, as if answering their unspoken summons, the poltergeist finally made itself known. It began subtly with an almost inaudible whispering sound. The investigators froze, holding their breath as they strained their ears.

Then came a soft knock, followed by another, and another. A strange rhythmic tapping that seemed to come from within the walls themselves. That would be fucking so scary if I heard like whispering from nowhere. No way. Dude, if that's, yeah, can you imagine middle of the night? Oh my God, bro. What if it's just like, I want a chalupa. I get them on the vogue or a chalupa. I don't know what you think about it. I'll be like Alex, are you here? Yeah. What are you doing? I'm just in the back. I'm pretty baked back here dude. So I can see how this boring dog. Alright I'll go. I'll you want me to order a dinner?

Should I go get it? Door to action bro. Don't forget the sauce. Alright, I'll go I'll you want me to order a dinner should I go get it? Door to Asher bro, don't forget the sauce. All right, I'll ask it outside. I got you stay back here, bro. Miss you, bro. Okay. I'll be back in the saiyans. Let me know if that goes shows up, bro. All right, go.

Luckily all that was caught on tape because the tape recorders were already rolling and picking up all of these eerie sounds. And suddenly they heard a loud crash from upstairs. They rushed up upstairs into the children's room and they found Janet in a state of distress while a chair lay overturned as if thrown by an unseen hand. The room was much colder, much colder than the rest of the house had been, and a detail that play a fair quickly noted down. They immediately set up additional recording devices in the room, capturing what sounded like a deep, guttural voice emanating from Janet. It was a chilling moment as the voice seemed to respond to their questions, offering disjointed phrases, and occasionally

unsettling laughter. I'm not trying to get a small piece, but I'm going to look into more of this later in next episode, but I, Dean, feel free to edit out the part where I'm bringing it up. Obviously, but I want to audio. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got that shit, bro. Let me hear you say my name. Come on, let me hear you say my name. Wow, that's not my name. say doctor bellow come on let me hear you say that

is here you say doctor bellow say doctor bellow What was it? It's working. This one got one. It's working. Can I get a squint on the bed? I can't hear you talking. Now, say doctor better. Come on. Come on, say it. Or we doctor better.

Never done better. Well, that's good. Come on in. Say it, I know. They're not better. The rock has grew. Come on in. It's not very good. On the tempiaturies of my captain, to a rock grey child, had I had brought his church with me now. I think I don't know man, I can kinda hear a little girl in there.

The thing is, it's coming from her. It's, it's like a deer. You know, like, is it coming from her? Yeah, so this is coming, this is it's coming from her. It's it's like a theory, you know, like, is it coming from her? Yeah, so this is coming, this is supposedly emanating from Janet, the 11 year old girl. Sure, sure, sure, but I'm saying like, is there video of her doing this? Where's it just audio? Hang on, I don't want to talk about that. I doubt there's video.

I mean, it's a set. Because I'm very curious if this is one of those things where it's like the girls there and the videos on and the dudes like, if you're in there, fuck me. And then the same dude goes, I am. Right? Yeah, so the note listening to it kind of sounds like his voice, but deeper. Sure, it sounds like him. It's not that bad.

Well, multiple, obviously the big thing is there are multiple witnesses, but again, they could all be in on it. The question is again, to what point, to what effect? Sure, we're making books. They were still going through it. And again, if you listen to Janet in her adult interviews, she doesn't want to ever. This fucked her up. This didn't get rich off this in ruined her life.

Alternative explanation. Janet also knows and is just that was all fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, take it with a grain of salt, but let's, you know, approach this from the idea of this is all happening, you know, within the moment here. So beyond the laughter throughout that night, gross and play fair began to challenge the entity, ask it questions, and try to elicit reactions. And their courage and determination, despite the disturbing events, allowed them to gather some of the most compelling evidence of the case.

And I specifically say of the case because it's, you know, compelling as far as evidence of a haunting from 1977 can get, I suppose. As Don broke, the house fell silent again, tired, but undeterred. The investigators finally wrapped up their nocturnal vigil and had been a night of high tension in very dramatic encounters. Yet it was just one of many in their relentless quest

for answers in the end-field home. It was through such extraordinary lengths and measures that gross and play fair accumulated that large body of evidence, forever marking this as one of the more well documented cases in paranormal history. As the investigation continued, gross was keen to bring in additional witnesses and experts to observe the strange happenings. And these included fellow members of the SPR, professionals from various fields, and even

magicians, which we'll talk about, who might have been able to spot trickery in slight of hand. They literally brought in a professional magician and again, we'll talk about a next episode. And he was, they were like, reproduce the stuff, show me how to do it. And he saw some shit and again, we'll talk about a more next episode that really like, he was like, kind of left wondering. So they, they wasn't just like that scene in Casper when that guy comes in. He's like, now you got to find somebody else, bro. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. He was dead set on it being a trick, but it like the the long, I know we're

going to talk about more, but long story short, the poltergeist fucking hated the magician and did everything it could to torment him because he just didn't believe in any of it. And so the magician got like, like, focused for an entire night. But the point is, like, gross and play fair did it bring in witness after witness a varying field. They didn't just say it's just us. They really went out of their way to bring in other people. Some of those people, two of them were two people by the name of Sonyia Renaldi in Louise Kubler. Some people that play fair had reached out to out in Brazil. They were two Brazilian parapsychologists who were fascinated by the Anfield Poltergeist. And they had read about the case in their local newspapers and

they were convinced that the haunting was real. The one weird thing about the Poltergeist is that it didn't settle down from exorcisms or prayers being shouted at it. It more settled down when more spirituality rituals and screaming at it tended to work better for some reason. Honestly, it sounds more like Jeff the Mongoose than it does like a possession. A little bit. Yeah.

Yes. Whatever, whatever that was. Because Jeff the Mongoose could potentially be poltergeisty. Yeah, or some kind of weird impi-y, foresty creature, fey type of. Head dead on. Yeah. It's very similar as we learn, this thing kind of has a personality of like fucking with people and really the secrets.

I know, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and Jeff, though, Jeff was like almost as chaotic neutral character. If this is real, this is way closer to like neutral evil, um, they definitely there to fuck around with the family and like cause them to our men and then eventually just leave like Jeff did. Uh, again, we'll get to that. But these two people, Sonia and Louise, uh, the two Brazilian parapsychologists made their way there in 1978 and when they traveled to England to investigate the case firsthand, they visited the Hodgson House and they witnessed some of the strange phenomena firsthand themselves. They saw furniture moving, objects

levitating, and they even heard disembodied voices from pretty much everywhere. Renaldian Kubler were convinced that the haunting was caused by a malevolent spirit, and they tried to communicate with the spirit. But the spirit refused to cooperate. They were trying to basically figure out, it was just taunting them, making fun of them. The best they could figure out is that they thought it was like a spirit that maybe was antagonizing Janet due to a previous life where she, Janet was a cruel person and these people suffered. Yeah, that's like what they posited, but they did their own investigations. I don't know.

I'm not sure. They figured out what she was like. She was a bitch in her past. They weren't 100% sold on it. That was just what they were kind of leaning toward. They also try to perform exorcism, cleansing rituals, but these efforts were totally unsuccessful and the haunting continued and the Hodgson family was becoming increasingly desperate. One night, Renaldi and Kubla were conducting an experiment in the Hodgson house when they

were suddenly attacked by the spirit. They were thrown across the room and they were both injured as a result. Renaldi and Kubla were shaken by the attack but they were still determined to help Janet. They continued to investigate the case and they eventually came to the conclusion that the spirit was a young girl named Billy Spelt B-I-L-L-L-I-E. Billy will not be I-L-L-Y like we said it was Billy Wilkinsons, an old man. They're saying it's Billy a young girl that's haunting them. She just sounds like that. She's like, I'm gonna get a girl.

Well, you know, haunting, it's really hard probably to talk through another body I can imagine. Billy had died in this house many years ago and she was angry and confused. She didn't understand why she was dead and she just wanted revenge on the people who killed her. Ronaldo and Kubler tried to help Billy to move on, but they were totally unsuccessful and the haunting continued. Just so you know, the last thing they did offer

her is they believe that Janet had a very special gift that she was a medium of some sort, able to channel the other side one thing, you know, and what they wanted to do was take her back to Brazil and train her to be like a spirit medium. That was their offer to the mother. Like let her let it be like let us take her back to the mother. Like let her let it, let it, let it, let us take a powerful, like a teacher, rich, like a stuff that they know. And maybe she could hold in this skill and it won't torment her as badly. But the mother was like hell, no, not going anywhere ridiculous. Dude, I would love to go to fucking Brazil and just be like train. I don't know as a parent, I'd be like, I'm not sure how I feel about a bunch of random

dudes taking my daughter to Brazil. Okay, you know, I guess I get that point. I say fuck it, but I mean, I hope they would offer the mom to come along. Just let it happen. Say fuck it. If it's like the Jedi order, they're taking that kid. It's too late. There.

The Brazilian investigators involvement in the infield post poltergeist is kind of seen as controversial. Some people believe they were genuine paranormal investigators, while others believe that they were just simply charlatans. However, there's no doubt that they were passionate at least about helping Janet, unlike other charlatans who showed up for two hours and left, and they believe that they were doing the right thing. Their involvement in the case helped to raise awareness of the poltergeist, and it also contributed to the growing body of evidence on paranormal phenomena.

The attack on Ron Aldi and Kubler was one of the more dramatic events in the un-field Poltergeist case, and it showed the spirit was not to be fucked around with, and it also showed that the investigators were, at least according to them, putting their lives on the line to help young little Janet. The thing is, it didn't kill anybody, and I'm not sure if they really truly put their lives in the line. I mean, if they truly were lifted and thrown against a wall, that would shake me for sure. But, you know, I would never fuck with Janet ever again if that

should happen. I would do it. And my car will drive across state lines to get out of there. Yeah. She just gives you a freaking grill, like mad grill and you're lifted in the air, like a freaking Sith and just home across the room. a frickin sith and just hold the place the room. I'd be gone. Yeah. It's nuts. Despite the growing, compelling nature of evidence, witnesses of the Enfield case, gross was still facing significant skepticism and criticism both from inside and outside his

crew of the SPR. Critics suggested that the girls, particularly particularly Janet were faking the phenomenon, but possibly for attention. Some even alleged that gross was being overly credulous and too personally involved in the case, which could cloud his judgment due to the personal reason he was drawn to the SPR in the first place. And with while these challenges could have disheartened him, they moved forward, completely undeterred. Even when he caught the girls faking some incidents, which is important because we will cover that next episode,

the girls did fake some incidents, and I truly believe there was a part where, remember, they didn't have a father, their mother was always busy. And when he was around, it's not like the first time something like this has ever happened, right? Yeah, and when he was around, what we'll learn again next episode, the girls and the kids

really liked gross. Like he lived in the house with them. He was very nice. He gave them attention. Whenever they said something happened, you know, he listened, he'd write it down. He basically validated them. And I could see an 11 year old, even if these things are truly happening, faking it because they want more like he's not paying enough attention, maybe nothing happened too recently and they haven't had enough time with him and they'll fake it. I could literally explain the Salem witch trials, you know what I mean? Yes, it's quite literally. Yeah, it's human.

Yeah. And what's important is that gross and play fair both notate and catch them when they're faking it. It like there is a clear like he can tell and he catches them and he gets them to admit it. They admitted to attempting to deceive him, quote, about 2% of the time. He did not dismiss the case outright. Yeah, about does he is English confirmation of the reality of the phenomenon

because in his opinion, the girls were merely attempting to reproduce the genuine phenomenon to lulls during the lulls in activity. Because it was just saying, well, just like I was saying, if they liked him around, they truly saw him as like a friend or a father saying, yeah, the activity was never constant. It came and it went and there were times where it wasn't happening all the time. And it's during then that the girls began faking on boards. Let's get that guy back.

Well, then how does it quantify it at 2%. I imagine he just like it was taking educated guests at the end of it all. That's, that's, you know, I mean, that's like negligible. So basically all the time and then like one little goof, they were like, he he. I don't. I think it was more than, yeah, I think they did it more than one little goof.

Yeah. Maybe 2% it was real, 98% it was them getting attention. Like that seems more likely if it's a real thing. Yeah, I mean, we'll talk more about that in the next episode. Regardless, like, I think it's, you know, the fact that he was at least able to point out or at least figure out when they were to faking it some of the time is valuable and prove that he was trying to figure it out in some way. But he seems to have screwpals. I'll say that. Gross would even go on to defend the infield poltergeist until the last day of his life. He was defending this as an authentic case until he died in 06 2006,

like up until the day he died. He's like, no, this should happen. But we'll pick that back up next episode. And part two of the Enfield Poltergeist, the deeper investigation, some more witnesses like the magician and how it all came to an end. And a little bit, we'll hopefully, we're going to hear a little bit of more adult Janet talk about her experiences when that was all going on. And you'll walk away with, I'll be curious what your opinions are of this case when we're all done. Is it weird to this was nostalgic for me this episode? Yeah, I dig it. Like it felt like an old Chaluminati episode. Is that weird?

Open a good way. Like it totally, totally in a good way. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we haven't done a ghost episode in forever and the reason, I mean, a big reason is there's not a lot of ghosts events or haunting cases like this one, where there's a lot of information. Like a body of evidence, yeah, like before I didn't mind doing like light hauntings, but I much prefer having a body of research to go through and look through because it adds, you know, credibility to it. And especially for hauntings, there's just not a lot of them.

There's not a lot of big ones out there. I have details other than, well, my sister's aunt's best friend was part of it. And it's like, yeah, it doesn't matter. Anyway, we're off to go do a mini-sode over at Chiluminati at Patreon. Try that again at patreon.com slash Chiluminati pod. There it is. Yeah, we got there. And if you're of the profit here, you're going to get more video of our dumb faces as I slowly

die in 115 degree weather at when he used to. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. It's an extremely important episode for lore and reveals this week. All right. I'm excited. Seriously. Get ready.

From that. Thank you guys so much for your support. We love you. Alright, I'm excited. Seriously. Get ready. From that, thank you guys so much for your support. We love you. We'll see you next week with the finale of the Enfield Poltergeist. Goodbye. Bye. Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night enjoying

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