Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 210 - The Enfield Poltergeist Part 2 - FINALE

Episode Date: July 3, 2023

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the Choluminaadi podcast episode 210. As always I'm one of your host Mike Martin joined by the Newman and Badeel of LA, Jesse and Alex. I know who David Badeel is. Oh hey look at that alright. I know that man. What about Robert Newman? Who who is that man?

You can't just say oh I'm aware of I don't know these people. David Badeel is like a comedian from like, I would say like the late 80s, early 90s, was his like, hey, day, and- He was in, he was a part of two separate comedy partnerships, both of which considered to suck. His, suck, I mean, he's really famous. He's, he's a, he's a new road, he's like a neurotic.

His deal is that he's like neurotic and annoying, you know, he's like that type of comedian. Like he's like, I don't want to say Woody Allen because it like conveys some things that I'm like not trying to put in this guy. He's not correct. But he also famously bedded one of the spice girls or more than one of the spice girls.

But like they didn't have sex with them or something. Like he was like in bed, like what? They like wingman to each other out of having sex with it There's like a great story, but you can look it up. I'm David deal. Wow get out of here So you're waiting so who are you? I'm gonna be David Bidiel just because I know who he is So Jesse your Robert Newman sure. Yeah, Robert Newman is an English comedian author and political activist found mainstream fame with the Mary Whitehouse Experience before successful partnership with one of the programs other comedians David, David Badeel in the early 90s.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Robert Newman. Robert Newman. He's not the American one from Los Angeles. No, this is the one from England. Wow.

He got bodied by this other Robert Newman. I'll tell you that much. He was adopted into a working class family who lived in Hartfordshire. Oh, I recognize his face, but I don't really know him that well. I don't, but that's who he is. That's okay, that's well, there we go. We figured out who's who and a rather quick pace this time around. I bet you didn't think I was gonna know about David Bedeal, bro.

I don't know who you're gonna know about and who you're gonna know about, but lately I've been able to stump you guys on who people are. Apparently also, this is like the third time I've called you the like Lori and Fry of LA. Apparently, and I just have no memory of doing it ever. So are you doing this for memory? Are you just like, you are like, I'm so sorry. I told you there's no list.

There is no list. I'm not writing things down. How some people like love trains, you're just like into like legacy British comedy. They go. That's what I'm talking about. What do you mean there's no list? I don't have anything written down. like love trains, you're just like into like, legacy British comedy. They go, that's for the news. Time out, time out. What do you mean there's no list? I don't have anything written down. Are you going to a website though that has a list

or you don't have a list? I don't have a list and I'm not using a list. What are you searching? For memory. I, what am I, I'm not gonna spoil how I find what I find. For memory. These, this one in particular came off of an old, uh, an old forum in from like 2005.

Great, so incredible. Next time, I'm, I'm, I hope to be the cane and lynch. That's all I've discovered, these two. Yeah. The cane and lynch of LA. Who's cane and lynch? Dude. Is that the robbers?

All right, the ones that made a really terrible second game that caused giant bomb to create or become created? Did that happen? Is that the story of like how giant bomb, because Cane Lynch review went up, he reviewed it badly, but they paid them money and then Jeff Gertzmann went left and made giant bomb and did his own thing and that's how that arose. I had no idea. I don't know anything about anything. I know as much about that as I do about those two guys who mentioned that I've already forgotten their names. That's who you are. Because now I can think about

as Canaan Lynch. That's the only duo I can think of right now. I'm knowing the long hair in that duo. Just that's all I got. The ball top and the long hair. Yeah, that's me. Yeah, that's me. How can we help you grow more hair Alex? I don't know. I you know, as I get older, just kind of goes backwards and thins out. That's just kind of the vibe. That's just, I'm not getting any work done. I'm not trying to be a celebrity. I'm not gonna change it.

Should we put that on Patreon as a tier of like hair treatment for all of us? All of us get plugs. Oh my God, we hope it, yo, if I'm getting plugs, I'm getting like crazy ones. Oh yeah, no obviously I want like long Locks dude. I want to see Jesse with long red hair in a huge fan just having his locks blow in the wind. Oh, yeah See yeah, if I'm gonna do it I'm going all out listen the $10,000 tier that's still up there

That's what that's gonna go to the plug tier the that's now the plug It was the make Jesse believe anything to you, but now it's the plug tier. Where's the rich Saudi prince that's gonna pay for that? I want to like Saudi oil plugs. You've got this like a paid phone. Hey, Mr. Saudi prince who loves the Chilimony podcast, please just pay my debts. Please just pay my debts. Just give me your plugs.

No, no, that's good, that's good. I need, I want to go to a place. I want to go to a place. I would like yeah like long Luscious locks. I just want to sleep Tightly one night in my third School made that what I need I'm gonna Care someone I can make a bed out of it

I don't like any where it's just soft Yeah, I just like bundle it up in my own hair. Yeah. That's what in the world all right For some reason birds and like, fawn are attracted to me and I sing to them. You're just a Disney princess at this point. Why can't I be? Anyone could be a Disney princess. Yeah, that's beautiful.

I like that. That's the magic, my man. That's the magic of it. The Disney princess is the Aladdin and Jasmine of LA right here. That's us. See, now that makes more sense instead of like, the Horton and the Who of LA. Like, you can make more sense of what right here. That's us. Now that makes more sense instead of like the Horton and the who?

What you say new deal. That's nonsense. I taught you something today. I told you some newman and but deal. You're very well. That's not a temporary nugget. And it's that would be like another show saying the Jesse and Alex of they should. I don't blame them. They're like, who the hell are these people? Who the fuck are those guys? Was that your plug, by the way, for the Patreon Alex, go pay my debts please? If you're a Saudi prince,

don't head over to patreon.com slash SumerrallyPod. Just send $14,000 to my PayPal. Patreon.com, forwards slash Chaluminati.com. Don't go on that. I need to, Dean, I usually make a note to your British voice over right. Chaluminati, okay, thank you. Don't pay, don't pay for hair plugs. That's not what we need.

What we need is a lot less money. And in return, what will give you is not just ad free episodes, but many soaps after every episode. And if you don't know this, the continuing story of the stones. there's now what, eight stones? Come on. There's like eight stones and we'll change the plug tier to the stone tier and you can just write the ending

of the story yourself and we'll make just as much sense. I think that's what these guys did, to be honest with you. But hey, go there, check that out. And Mathis is slowly but surely starting to watch the X-Files on our brand new fresh brand new straight off the presses show rotten popcorn. There's only what 10 episodes 12 episodes. Yeah, something like that.

Just just sitting there for you to hear. You've been doing that show for over a year now. I know, I know, I know, I know, I'm just like I said, like I said, heading backwards, thin it out. That's all it is. That's all it is. Well, with that phenomenal segue, no, you're right. We did part one of the Enfield Poltergeist. And today will be the second and final part of this chilling tale of the Enfield Poltergeist. So at the very beginning, let's just say, if you remember, our previous installment had brought us to the point in the Enfield Poltergeist investigation and story where Maurice Gross and Guy Lion play fair had decided to invite one more.

Still not over that name. So many good names. They remember that we left off talking about how he decided they and it was one of their attempts to study or debunk this potential haunting. They invited over a magician. And I said, we'd be talking more about the magician today. Well, that's where we're going to be picking up. His name was David Blaine, and he made the house disappear.

Oh, shit. And it was on cable TV. Is this your car? Are you paying attention? This magician's name was Millborn Christopher. Millborn Christopher? Not Christopher Millborn. No, Millborn first, Christopher second.

Not like another last name. He's just of the like North Hampshireshire Christopher's. Oh, yo, this guy, I looked at his Wikipedia page. This guy's lit. His Wikipedia page literally has him with the house of cards. Yep, there you go. Millborne Christopher, take a look, there you go. He's a magician.

House of spirits, house of cards. There you go. Millboard Christopher. Take a look. There you go. He's a magician. House of spirits, house of cards. There you go. At the time, he was a prominent magician, known more for debunking paranormal claims than for advocating for them. And that makes sense. He's like a magician. He's like a genie fanboy. Yeah, in a way. He knew the tricks of the trade, right? He kind of understood. He was like, he was a magician, not because he was a fun magician. He was a magician because he wanted to know why things were the way

there were and he wanted to ruin it for you. That's how I kind of look at the guy. He didn't get into it for the fun part. He was like in it for the debunking. I bless this dude. Yeah, it's very valuable for something like this. So he came with, he wasn't here to plus up his reputation. He was here to say like, there are no ghosts here. That was like his main goal was to see like, listen dude, I know all how this shit is done. Let me just do it for you. And so he swung over and he was a welcome addition to the investigation.

Again, gross and play fair were wanting to do this as accurately as possible. And he was expected to provide an objective and perhaps skeptical viewpoint. And when Christopher arrived at the seemingly ordinary house in Enfield, he was greeted with an air of anticipation. The Hodgson family and the two seasons investigators had been there for a little while. From the society of,

blessed you forget, psychical research, they were eager for him to lend his expertise to the proceedings at hand. Could he replicate the bewildering phenomena that they had been witnessing? Could he potentially expose the whole affair as nothing more than an elaborate hoax? So Christopher spent hours in the Hodgson home observing the environment, scrutinizing the recorded phenomena, and interacting with the family as often as

he could. He took particular interest in Janet and Margaret, the two Hodgson sisters who seem to be the focal points of the strange occurrence. What are their different ages again? Janet is 11 Margaret is 13 I believe. Okay. Janet is the one that we listened to last week and I had the weird voices coming up. Yeah, exactly that one.

She's also the one the photo that is her quote unquote, levitating. Jumping from bed to bed. Looks like she's jumping off the bed, correct. Do you know those fairies? You ever, you ever, you know, those famous fairies that are like notorious, I don't forget, they're in the English countryside somewhere, maybe in the New England. I can't remember, but it was like two girls and they were like, I saw these fairies and they like took pictures and shit.

And they were like pretty young. So everybody, they caught the cottingsley fairies or something like that. What's the look into this? And they have this whole racket going and they were like kids and they like, just got everybody excited because they're like girls. How could they like little girls?

Like how could they do this? Where do they like girls kids? Imagine things are crazy. creepy age age 11 and 13 Come on. No, I agree. Holy and that's where you know That's what it should be. Oh, yeah, there it is Dean. Thank you for grabbing us a wiki link here That caughtingly fairies appeared in a series. Oh, yeah, those are like toys. There's a movie. I think about these girls That's wild. Well, that's something I, I,

that's a whole rabbit hole I can't dive into right now. This is too much. I'll, I'll worry about that. Yeah, this is a different episode. I'm just, yeah, I'm just using it as an example. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great little touchstone, absolutely. So the, the magician spent hours at the home

and taking interest in those particular girls. And despite its extensive knowledge and illusion and deception, he still struggled to replicate many of the phenomena reported at the Enfield House using simple trickery. His visit didn't provide the clear-cut answers everyone had hoped for, but instead it further deepened the mystery surrounding this Enfield-pulter-guised haunting, adding to the narrative a layer of credibility further that the skeptics had difficulty explaining away. Remember this is, remember, remember this is also, there's other other people gross and play fair

have already brought in witnesses who have seen similar things, and this is just another one to add to the pile. We also talked about the police officer who said she saw the chair, run across the floor last episode as well. As the dust settled from Christopher's visit, gross and play fair continued their investigations, still trying to grapple with the inexplicable phenomena. As the dust settled from Christopher's visit, gross and play fair continued their investigations, still trying to grapple with the inexplicable phenomena.

But despite his efforts, there weren't many specific recorded instances of Bill Bore and Christopher successfully debunketing the happenings at the Hodgson home. He examined the girls trying to catch them out in any sort of trickery and spend time reviewing physical evidence, including infamous levitation photographs of Janet. One of the things he did is a funny story that I read, I remember reading in the book rather, is he would sit on the stairs late at night and wait quietly.

And if he heard a noise or whatever and he would be like right as close to the girl stairs as it could, if he heard a noise, he would then fucking sprint up the stairs and try and bust in the room to like catch the girls in the act of making the noise. And every time he would go in there, they were just lying down, not doing anything. But didn't, didn't she already say that some of the stuff she faked? Yes, about one to two percent of it is what the estimation was. And we'll get, at the end of the episode, we'll get a quote from adult Janet on what she said she believes happened and all this stuff. Interesting. Yeah. Well, we'll get to all that still. Yeah. So Christopher

applied his magician's mind, skilled in the art deception to each of the reported phenomena, the moving furniture, the inexplicable fires, the objects flying through the air. He tried to reproduce these events through trickery, but he could not replicate many of them, particularly those that had occurred in front of multiple witnesses. And as a seasoned magician, Milborn brought a certain lightheartedness to the intends and often stressful investigation in the home. His experience with illusion and trickery allowed him to approach the case with a unique perspective. And indeed, there were instances when his efforts to debunk the phenomena

brought some unexpected humorous proceedings. One anecdote that really kind of stuck out involved Christopher attempting to replicate the levitation incidents, the ones that he saw the photographs of. Now, you have to remember, Christopher is not a child. He's not a sprung, like a spy young dude.

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it there, you know, in the room with him. You found himself awkwardly hopping around the room, much to the amusement of, in the kids in the room at the same time. He was getting on the bed and jumping off the bed and leaping off the floor and this old man in his best attempts to like recreate the photo. And I just, just thinking of this dude who's just like, I'm in the magician.

I know what I'm doing. And he just jumps up off the bed. And matter so much that she was like a little girl, you know what I mean? Like she's so much, she's like one third the weight of you, bro. Christopher, no, it's like the crack in here, the creaking of the bed is this man is trying to jump off of it. Come on, Chris. Another funny incident occurred when he attempted to disprove the reported flying objects. Using his magician's slight of hand, he would fling various small objects across the room, claiming that the girls could

have done the same thing when no one was watching. This led to a brief impromptu, poltergeist episode of its own, with objects whizzing about controlled not by unseen forces, but by a magician. He was literally in the room and when people weren't looking, he would be like, think, think, think, think, think, and just start throwing things in any time somebody looked over, he wasn't doing anything. But he was just so ridiculous. He was just hurling things around the room and just being like, see, they couldn't be doing

it too. And the thing is, I mean, he's kind of right. If nobody's looking, he's just fucking throwing a fork. Yeah, just like he's got a fork in his sleeve, a couple of cards in another one, a weird meatball that came out of last night's dinner. And he's just fucking fork in his sleeve, a couple of cards, and another one, a weird meatball that came out of last night's dinner, and he's just fucking throwing them around the room. I just love that picture in my mind.

And it's important to note that while these moments were, yeah, funny, they did serve a significant purpose. His humor and levity helped to diffuse some of the tension that permeated the house, and his debunking attempts even went unsuccessful highlighted the necessity for critical scrutiny in the face of inexplicable phenomena. So following Christopher's inconclusive visit, two more people from the Psychical Research Group, Anita Gregory and John Belloff began their own inquiry into the haunting here at Endfield Poultergeist.

Gregory's skepticism was evident from the start. She found Janet and Margaret to be unreliable witnesses, noting that many of the most dramatic phenomena seemed to occur only when they were not under direct observation. What's interesting is that's correct and it definitely leads to easier hoaxing. But the same thing was very much true of the Jeff the Manga's case. Which was not a hoax as we know that was very real the Jeff the Manga case very real, but it's just similarly, how could he ride the bus if it was a hoax? I mean like how would he know those things it was a hoax? A bus driver wouldn't let a Mangause onto a bus. It wasn't he hitting wasn't he hitting on that dude's wife too, like trying to like get this. Said on the wife, he was spreading secrets around town. That guy was, he was a cad.

But he brought you, but you also offered him a dead rabbit or two when he was happy. He's a Mongoose. Because he was a Mongoose, you know what they say? That's Shakespeare. So, you know, same idea. Greg or even suggested that the girls were playing tricks, capitalizing on the attention of the investigators. Again, young girls that have kind of a no father figure in their

life, just a single mom who's working her ass off for five kids. As we talked about in episode one, having these two around who were paying attention to them, who made them feel like they were cared and seen for. Yeah, you could see a 11 year old and like an eight year old and a 13 year old doing their best to keep them around and enjoying them hanging out. No way, real haunting dude. Real, no, I mean, also that is also the second option. Real just stamping.

Yeah. Boom. Tell the warrants. For instance, one of the phenomena was a series of knocking sounds. Gregory unsatisfied with the evidence that had been presented believed it could be easily faked by the girls banging on the floors or walls. The same went for the reports of levitating objects. Gregory was convinced that it could be a result of the girls throwing things when no one was watching, much like the magician as we just spoke about.

And John Belloff, sharing Gregory's skepticism, also doubted the objectivity of gross and play fair. He questioned their methods and suggested that they might have become too emotionally involved with the Hodgson family to maintain their objectivity. Another reminder that gross has lost the daughter by the name of Janet who about a year and a half prior to this investigation happening. And it's important to keep that in mind when looking at this that they're. So he's just hyper focused on another Janet basically. Another Janet who might have evidence of a afterlife, you know, affecting her, which

could also, you know, it's not really talked about, but that's something I thought about is like, there's also that other layer of like, if this is true, there's that comfort I'm sure he has of like his daughter might have unexistence beyond the physical after her death, which might just keep him wanting to prove that this is true. You know, the emotional entanglement, I think, is absolutely... Don't they just have, like, what, isn't it like the 70s? Like, isn't it like almost the 80s? Yep, we're in 1977.

Don't they have just, like, can't they just, like, why are this house up? Like, could you nightmare? Well, whatever they did, they did. They have all kinds of things. But wiring the house doesn't stop the girls from playing tricks when no one's watching. If nobody's watching, they're still going to record weird noises, even if the girls doing it. That doesn't really help.

We don't have to do a camera yet. No, it's 1977. Yeah, and the best you're going to get is one of those Steven Spielberg eight millimeter things. Yeah, you're right. Like a super eight camera. Yeah, you're right. Like a super eight camera. Yeah, exactly. You don't really have a lot of easy way to film things.

It was more about snapping a quick picture. That's the best they could do. But before we delve back into the perplexing events event field, I'd like to just take a quick step back and delve into the small past of to who our skeptical investigators are. Anita Gregory and John Belloff. Anita Gregory was born in Austria in 1925 and later moved to England where she gained a PhD in psychology from the University of London. Her interest in parapsychology began during her time as a student and she joined the Society for Psychical Research in the 60s. Gregory

was known for her rigorous approach to investigations and her commitment to finding logical explanations for purported paranormal phenomena. She authored numerous articles for the SPR journal and held a range of posts within the organization. John Belloff was a renowned British psychologist and parapsychologist born in 1920. He was a senior lecturer at the University of Edinburgh, or Edinburgh. Edinburgh? How do you say that? Edinburgh? I don't say that? Edinburgh?

I don't know that there's a way to say it with an American accent that will satisfy every person. And the author, and the author of any book, and the author of many books on paracetology. In consciousness, LF had been a member of the SPR since the 50s and held the position of President from 1974 to 1976, so when he's here to investigate, he's no longer President. When the Anfield Paltargeist case erupted in 1977, it quickly caught the attention of the SPR. The organization had a history of investigating claims of hauntings and poltergeists, and the Anfield case with its plethora of alleged phenomenon media attention was no exception. And given their reputation for rigorous investigation in their history within the SPR, it was only natural for Gregory and Belloff to be interested in this huge case that sprung

up out of nowhere. Moreover, their inherent skepticism provided a much needed counterbalance to the conviction of Maurice Gross and Guy Playfair that the phenomenon were genuine, because it's true at this point they were both wholly convinced this was real. Armed with their wealth of experience and a healthy dose of skepticism, Gregorian Belloff ventured in the Enfield case prepared to challenge a prevailing narrative. And Gregorian Belloff's investigation of the Enfield case marked a significant turning point in the narrative entirely. Their skepticism in assertive questioning were a marked contrast to the acceptance of the supernatural that

had dominated the investigation up until that point. Their scrutiny was not limited to the phenomena themselves, but extended to gross and play fairs methodology and perceived lack of objectivity. Even though Gregory and Belloff couldn't definitively debunk the phenomena, their skepticism added a layer of another layer of complexity to this whole thing. They work emphasize the need for scientific rigor and objectivity in these investigations, setting a standard for future cases moving forward. Something that's relevant even today in all paranormal investigations. Yeah, yes.

Meanwhile, while this was going on across the Atlantic, another team of paranormal investigators that we are much more familiar with was beginning to take an interest in the happenings of Enfield. Are they like really hot, like movie star hot, like Patrick Wilson, Vir Farminga hot? Oh, you might be correct except not that hot, but those same characters, Ed and Lorraine Warren were known for their work in the field of demonology and ghost hunting had been following the case from afar. Yeah, though the word of this Enfield poltergeist in the paranormal sphere had rocketed

across the ocean very quickly and became a huge topic for people who are interested in this kind of thing. And so of course, Ed and Lorraine Warren got whiff of this thing and figured there must be a way they can weasel their way in. The husband and wife team had been involved in a number of high profile cases, including the one that started this podcast off way back when the Amityville haunting. The conjuring part one. Yeah.

I mean, is that what the conjuring part one is about? I know. I know. Well, what's the, is the doll movie a different movie? Megan? Yeah. No, no, no. No one can see Alex dancing right now, but he pulled off the Megan moves.

It was great. It was perfect. Uh, uh, but he pulled off the Megan moves. It was great. Perfect. Uh, uh, Annabelle. Annabelle is a different movie. Annabelle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I don't know what the conjuring is about, but I know it's the warrants that are like the focus of all the conjuring movies. And one of the conjuring's, one of the conjurings, they're definitely doing the Amityville horror. Yeah, that would make sense. This, this, uh, N field one is conjuring to and for whatever reason, they give the Lorraine Warren, like massive psychic powers in these, it's very weird. She probably says she has them in real life. Well, she does. She does. She claims to be a medium. But in the movies, she's

having like the one I saw on theater, she was having like a ghost brain, like a fighting a ghost in her brain. So she could like continue. I don't know if it was fucking weird, dude. I can't explain it. Well, as we all know, the movies are real though. So like that's yeah, they're absolutely. Yeah.

So in the late 70s, the warrants had made a decision. They are going to journey out to England and check out this end field haunting for themselves. And their investigation was markedly different from those of other investigators, including even gross in play fair. Ed, a self-proclaimed demonologist in Lorraine, who professed to be a clairvoyant, approached the case with a sense of already certainty that the phenomena was being caused not only real, but was being caused by dark, malevolent forces. And as you know, that's the best way to start an investigation.

Yeah, if you're going to fly across to England to investigate, you better be sure that it's a demonology haunting that's happening and not anything else and don't concern yourself with anything else. Guess you look hurt by that or confused by that, isn't that, isn't that how you would hum to ghost? No, I'm not confused. I can't wait for more. I'm excited to see what psychic mind battles

we're gonna get into. You dude, you are gonna be disappointed. Heh heh heh. Ed Warren later stated that they considered the Enfield Poulterguys to be one of the most disturbing cases they had ever encountered. The Warren's alleged that they witnessed several paranormal phenomena during their visit

Fuck off including moving furniture and levitating toys However, their involvement in the infield case has been heavily disputed anything with them involved I'm like this is completely fake Uh, that's a good way to know what like they approach a haunting when they approach haunting with demonology in mind We approach them with hoax in mind. Yeah. No. Agreed. While they dispute what play fair and gross say, I'm more, I'm more lean to what they say to be the truth because they were with the family for over a year. Why it's disputed is well guy play fair in particular ended up stating that the Warrens visited the house wholly uninvited. They were showed up at their

doorstep without telling them and spent one single day there. And they were like, this is the worst thing we've ever done. And then yeah, and it contradicts, but it contradicts their account of their involvement. Like that's what play fair says happened. What they say happened is they were there a lot longer. Ed and Lorraine Warren were fixtures of the paranormal investigators investigations by this time. The case had popped up and they had worked on several high profile cases. So the reputation often led to their involvement in new paranormal incidents, but they had been, they had been denied by the family.

They didn't want them there and they showed up anyway, unannounced, spent a day, and then essentially made up a ton of shit that didn't actually happen, which is why Edmila Rain Warren are giant con artists and were in it for the money and were never really highly suspected that they ever came across anything haunted ever. And if they did, they played it up so much. I know, Jesse, I'm sorry to shatter. I know you're working on a fan thick where you're like the third in this poly relationship. Warren's where his one thing he believed in. Yeah. Well, like, I think the draft I read

and Lorraine Warren were becoming an open poly group and you were being brought into the poly. Oh, shit. Right. It's very similar to the green stone story. Right. Holy fat. Yeah. Based on events that happened in your life. I changed my name to just sepikox. Yeah. That's a good move. Yeah. That's a very good move. And then just don't go do anything. Just be just write the story, but never get a right. I showed up for a day. And then I wrote a book. Yeah. Never get it. I love it. I love it. Okay. Okay. We got to get back to the actual. The people who were not making up anything Never get it right in. I love it. I love it. Okay, we got to get back to the actual, the people who are not making up anything, Ed and Lorraine Warren.

The news of the Enfield poltergeist had spread far beyond the UK, capturing attention of the global media, and given the Warren's keen interest in this phenomena, we don't know exactly how they found out about it, but it's likely that they became aware of this case through these channels, magazines, and such. However, the specifics of when and how they first learned about the case is not really widely known. The Warns arrived in Enfield sometime in the late 70s, according to Play Fair, their visit was uninvited and lasted a day.

However, the Warns have suggested that they were more deeply involved. This discrepancy added another layer of controversy between it all, but if you do any research on gross and play fair compared to the warrants, it's very obvious whose words probably take even if they're more emotionally engaged in this case as a whole. The warrants claim to have experienced several phenomena that have become really associated with it, with like I said, the moving furniture and levitation stuff. And of course, Ed Warren even stated that he felt a strong, malevolent presence lingering within the house, something that he associated with the demonic activity.

There was, he was basically, there's demon here. There's demon here and he wants your kids. And he's going to make toys levitate until the soul is gets handed over It's like the lamest demon of all time. You're just knocking on walls levitating toys and that's your demon Maybe that's all I can do bro. Like not every demon is gonna be Satan my man Why you gotta be like this dude? What do you think like a rookie demon has to go do you think like haunting a young girl is like Assignment one for all brand new demons first you got a hon of pieces shit then you got to jump from the pieces shit into a little girl

okay and then uh you got a uh like I don't know like just make a mess like make the biggest mess you can I think is step three and then amany billhore step four yeah and then like own a house that's your next thing. All right. It's a nice corporate ladder. That's the problem. It's house ownership is tough. It's faster for a demon than it is from Millennial. And that's really still tough, though.

That's the main issue. Still hard, not easy for a demon. It's a ladder there for them to climb unlike us, you know, we didn't get that ladder. Despite these claims from the warns, the specifics of the Warren's investigation is not well documented because surprise, surprise. Guess who didn't keep a log of any of the things that they did while they were there? What? The Warren's.

What? Yeah, everything they say is a personal testimony rather than a detailed investigation log like gross and play fair had been doing from the very beginning. So this lack of documentation along with this one day duration of their visit and the discrepancies between their accounts and those of other investigators led to some skepticism regarding the extent and validity of the Warren's involvement. And that's all they did. And that, that is the basis for the conjuring two. That little like we showed up, it's a demon and they left. That is the basis for the conjuring too. That little like, we showed up, it's a demon and they left.

That's the entirety of what they used for the conjuring too, which is just crazy. Following this whirlwind visit by the Warrens and their rather controversial claims, the case of the Enfield Poltergeist moved into its next and quieter phase. The intense media interest began to very slowly wane, and the investigation conducted by the Society of Psychical Research had been considered concluded.

The SPR's final report on the case reflected the differing views of its members. While Maurice Gross and Guy Lian, Guy Play Fair rather, remained wholly convinced to the very end that the authenticity of the phenomenon was real. Anita Gregory and John Belloff, the other two that were there, maintained their skeptical stance on this whole thing. Over time, the strange events at the Hodgson's home began to decrease in frequency and intensity. And by 1979, two years after it all began, the bizarre happenings had ceased entirely.

They got tired of it. I guarantee you that is literally what happened. I'm very, I have opened, I'm curious. What is your thoughts? The girls, the girls got tired of it, just like anything in life. They were like, yeah, all right, we did that and move it on. You think the same thing out? Do you think that's what it was? They just got bored of it, just like anything in life. They were like, yeah, all right, we did that and move it on. You think the same thing out?

Do you think that's what it was? They just got bored of it. It got so big that they decided to just disappear it. You know what I mean? I mean, Devils advocate you a little bit. It's like Fargo, you know what I mean? Just if we look at this from the other lens, something like the lens of Jeff the Mongoose,

as the attention for it began to wane, do you think it's own interest in being here wane? And it would maybe potentially move on? I don't really, I don't really believe that's how hauntings work or demons work. Well, poltergeists are not the same. Remember, poltergeists are entirely different category than a ghost. I've just never heard of a poltergeist. Okay, but I just never heard of a poltergeist. That's like here, and then it like goes over to another house, unless it's like following someone.

No, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying that it definitely moved on to another house, but perhaps it got just bored itself and left and did in, like Jeff the Mongoose banished. Maybe we're not thinking of what really happened that finally it was put to rest and it ascended in a beam of light and joined all the other polta guys at the pearly gates, the golden gates of heaven. And that was it. They saved that soul. Maybe

not thinking about that, Mathis. Okay. So here's my other thought. All right. Listen, I'm about to go and listen, Jesse. I need you to think about this from the. What if an epic psychic battle occurred between a demon and the poltergeist was like, actually, not the bad guy, but there was another ghost that was the bad guy. And then that poltergeist and the psychic worked together to fight the demon. And then at the end, he was like, thank you. Then like floated to heaven. Do you think it's not a coincidence that after the visit of the warns, things slowly

began to slow down because maybe it was a demon and there was a cyclical battle between Lorraine Warren and this demon. It makes perfect sense to me. Well, okay. So I wanted to bring this up and we're going to kind of veer off into a weird conversation here as we've talked about many times. Oh yeah, we're going to go to a weird conversation now. Okay, seriously, I'm going to tie this and Jeff the Moons. Not after four years, we're actually going to go now. I'm going to tie this, Jeff the Mongoose and quantum mechanics all together right this moment. Okay, watch this happen.

I do. I mean, why did I teach you about this? What is happening? I love this. This is like the green stone. Like, so, okay, so we already talked about in the mini-sode a couple of weeks ago how you scientists won Nobel Prize to prove that like quantum mechanics, the way they're measured is in like, it only, it only takes, it exists in all states until it's measured, then it's

a state, and then you can know the other entangled atom state. We also put sapphire into quantum super, a superposition recently, like literally this couple weeks ago. And the idea is, okay, what if, again, the theory that ghosts aliens cryptid all these things are the same thing? And it's when we're looking at them and our own brain is interpreting them that they take the shape of whatever they're taking because they're being measured, quote, unquote, in that moment. So when someone sees an alien,

it's because whatever phenomena this is, ends up taking that shape quantum mechanically, even if it's not actually that, if it's not actually a poltergeist or actually a ghost, it's just as it's being seen, it is therefore being measured, it has to take something, some form in our brain in some weird way gives it that form. Like a topa? No, not like a topa. That's a different topic altogether. That's created out of nothing.

Okay. This is maybe some other consciousness or some other something peeking through our reality. I don't know. I don't know, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, no, I don't, but I do, you know. But you know, do you see what I'm trying to say? Yeah, I do, I do. It's just the same thing.

It's like once you cross certain line, you're like, now I'm just speculating about like Lord of the Rings. Like I need to like, go back to the evidence and look, otherwise you're gonna be like, I'm not saying this is what's happening. I'm saying, look through another lens. That is.

Yeah, no, that lens is cracked. That lens is cracked. So, poltergeists don't have corporeal forms. They're not, you wouldn't see them at all. Right. So, but they're still, so things are levitating. Voices are happening. Yeah, and maybe that's...

You said, though, you're like, you would perceive it. No, no, no, it doesn't fit. Well, maybe they're perceiving the toy levitating because that is what they associate with a poltergeist haunting. What? A creation of their own thing and whatever energy is there. So you're saying they're psychic. You're saying that they have the power of levitating.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got you, Jesse, I'm grabbing your hand, the audience is with you. Okay, listen, it's more like they know something's happening and they believe it to be a poltergeist. So whatever energy is there, puts on the poltergeist, quote, unquote, mask and becomes whatever it is that they are kind of expecting to experience.

So say another example, someone sees an alien or they have an abduction experience or scenario and whatever energy or other consciousness is peeking through through quantum mechanics takes like the shape of an abduction experience because that's what the brain of the person experiencing it is expecting to happen. So this entity puts on the alien abduction mass and that's what happens. And you can say that's bigfoot. Bigfoot comes out of this weird,

sub-sort of brain wave thing. And you're like, this thing just puts on the Bigfoot mask because that's what these people out in the woods would expect to see. Mathis, what you just said, oh God. Ha, ha, ha. Is one of the most? Insanely idiotic things I have ever heard at no point in your rambling

Inco here at response were you even close to anything that could be considered rational thought everyone Right man, but that's a rut that's a thing. I listen to you. I warned you no point No, no, no man. Oh my god have mercy on's a threat. For how many listen to you, I warned you no point. No, no, no. Man, this is all bad. And man, God have mercy on your soul. Maybe reality isn't as rigid as we want it to be. And all these things are just poking us to be like, sorry man, like reality is way weird. We already know, like we don't have to say maybe reality is not what we think it is.

Because we, exactly. We literally found that out just the other day. Last week we learned that like three sides just want to build up fries to the shit. Oh, and the other thing that came out that I think is coming up today of the giant gravitational wave detector that as gravitational waves move through, these things become a width of a positron shorter in length than they actually are. And like another weird like reality bending idea. So I'm trying to merge those two things obviously in a way that I'm not saying this is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. No, I understand,

I understand, but I feel like this is the exact, and I mean this, the exact same wavelength as when like, you know, the weird Facebook people that post really racist stuff, but they're like, well, science says that the vaccine is because they don't understand what they just read. I just like that a lot of us. No, no, no, you cannot. Couple no bell prices with no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you with that. No, no, no. I'm not here. 100% know some stuff, we write it, and we're like, I think I understand what they just said,

and then we just run with it. And I'm saying that maybe we're on the same wavelength, they were just like not quite getting it. I mean, we can all agree about perception and reality and like time space and everything everywhere all at once, we know that's all true, right? Yeah, yeah.

Like, that's not debatable. Like, I mean, it is debatable. It's not debatable in like an academic sense now that that's like very likely true, right? But it's, you know, what that means beyond, the implications is where it starts to get, you know, all I'm saying is if there was no internet, there would be a lot more vans in Venice Beach with a lot

more writing on the side than you need to have on the van. That's all I'm saying. And everyone, and you can see everybody turning into that because they forget about the part where you stop at the facts and don't go into the implications too far because that's where you go to crazy town. That's all it is. Let me help out my two co-hosts who think I'm going down a racist title. I don't think you are. No, no, no. Race has nothing to do with it. It has, it's the same wavelength of like the people on the internet who say some like stupid ass shit about like vaccines or whatever, they read a thing, someone said, that was true, that was absolutely probably

like a fact of some sort, and then they extrapolated on that and ended up in a falsehood. Right, so maybe they read a report that said in like 2018, there was some, something with a vaccine at some point in some, and they're like, oh, well then all vaccines are eat, like that kind of thing. One time John Podesta wrote an email to Hillary Clinton about their pizza order for a fucking party.

And I don't have to tell you what else happened. You know what I mean? That's all I'm saying. Hillary Clinton's kidnapping kids. Yeah. But wait until I tell you boys JFK Jr. So I know our kids in your still live and he has not shut the fuck up for us quite some time.

Yeah. You know, yeah. I love, I love a good man who's like, don't take vaccines but takes human growth hormone. You know, like it's, I love, I love a good, I love a good contradiction. But I'm saying like, I think a bio shock character, if you will, like we're at a place where we're extrapolating a lot from science that is real, but I don't think we know enough. And so we're just like, but what if though, bro, it's like, I don't know, dude, I don't know. Okay, so with that, with that out there, that's what I'm doing right now. I don't actually believe like you think, but I'm doing like a fun mind, like just a thought, like a nugget of something to just mull on, to just go.

It's not saying it's true. It's not saying it's anywhere near fact, but it's an interesting thought experiment, right? Like, all right, I guess we're moving on. Uh, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Okay, like I'm ready. I know you are, which is why I have to keep bringing you back down. I have to drag you back down. You're my anchor. I'm floating away on a single line. You want it, so you want it. And I gotta be like, no, you gotta like, I don't know.

Is that why they, this is a thing like, if reality is the way it is, shouldn't my willy, I mean, maybe that's why they don't want me, maybe because I already know the truth so they don't need to come visit me, right? Um, aliens, aliens I'm talking about, sorry. I cut off my, you know, if that makes you, does that bring you comfort?

Does that feel good? Does that like, are you like, that's why? Yeah. Cause they already know that I know. And so that's why I just make me feel like my work. Actually, we're basically friends because they already know that I'm counting as hard. Action.

Here's the thing, Mathis out of all the arguments you've ever made, that's the one I buy the most. And this is the reason why. I hate you for this. Because I sat there, I have a lot of, you know, Founta Fantasy 16 recently came up. Oh yeah. And I've noticed a lot of people, I've just met friends,

currently being paid to play the game on stream. And I thought to myself, why am I not being paid to play the game? And I realized, oh, I would have paid it for free anyway. Yeah, so, you know what, you sold me on this idea that maybe the aliens know that you are in already, so why do they need to talk to you? So they need to be visiting you, Jesse.

Exactly, exactly. They need to be getting there. Because if they visit you, then Alex is already gonna be sold. Cause Alex is already somewhere in the middle, maybe a little. I'm not even in the middle, I'm here. I believe that if I, it's seeing his believing,

you know what I mean? If, to me, it's just more interesting to think about than to experience, unless the aliens right here. Like, I'm, that's been kind of my vibe now that things are getting a little bit. Are you going to me? No, I just mean in general. You think I'm an alien?

I don't, I don't actually think that, but I just mean, that would make the most sense if it was an alien though, because that's why he doesn't want us to believe- If any of us is an alien, it's Jesse number one, maybe D number two. I agree. Have you seen how tall Dean is? It's not that, it's just that he's like,

you know, he's like in the shadows, nobody really- Big tall white energy, yeah. Yeah. He does have tall, that dude is a tall white- Like tall white energy. He's got Final Cut, he's from the yeah. He does have tall, this dude is a tall white, like, tall white energy. He's got final cut. He's from the North, you know, that's all it is. Absolutely one of the most racist friends

have ever had is Dean, but that's. What? Dean, that's him. Dean, don't do that to him. I used to hear when he said about Polish people that was one time, he's talking about how much he hates Polish people. Don't do that to him.

Dean, delete this. The look of shock on his face is my- He went like this. No. He did like the whole move. Arms like stop talking to emotion to all of us. But that's exactly what an alien would do. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah. Things were slowing down. And two years after the bizarre happenings, like I said, entirely ceased by 1979. The family was finally able to return to a semblance of normality, although their lives had been irrevocably altered by their experiences. And no matter what you think about the girls hoaxing it or whatever, this definitely stressed the mom out so goddamn badly. She was so convinced things were happening.

There were something we didn't get into too much is that this ghost would leave notes on the table for the mom. Things like believe me T or bring me T or these weird little like things that we just didn't get into because it just really like leave me a fiber and a cornetto. Yeah, I need to go to the park today. That also similarities to Jeff the Mongo's who wanted things who would demand gifts and things like that. So you know, the story is just ruining Jeff though, because now I'm like, it was a bunch of girls just pulling a prank. Jeff's like,

bring me a Mars bar. And I'm like, oh, it was a couple girls. Well, remember the mom is really in my my my heart goes out to the mom because she, remember, was she learned that the society for psychological research were coming over. She fainted because she thought they were going to take her girls away like they took one of her oldest children away with, like some depressive problems and so on. I think the kids were just bored. They did a thing.

It got too much. And then, as you get older and you start to see the world, one was 13 when it started, right? Yep. And by the end, she's like 15 and a half, 16. She probably wanted to go see boys and probably the ghost thing was kind of cramping her vibes at school. That's all I'm saying.

And honestly, in reality, too, the longer it went on, the less time gross in play fair would have to spend as much time there, especially after a year. And again, I really truly believe a big part of them doing whatever part of it was faked, all of it, some of it was to keep them there because of that kind of attention that they were getting that they weren't getting at home. It was probably novel for a while.

It's the same thing. When somebody has a viral TikTok or a viral YouTube video, and then they're like, the one time they got a viral, it was like, I ate original crystal Pepsi, I like drank a crystal Pepsi from the 80s and then their entire life becomes like,

I ate some toxic trash from the past because they don't know why they're popular, they're just, yeah. Yeah, nevermind, there was a TikTok guy who was like, whole thing is like, you get really close to me whip around all of a sudden he'd be in a suit? Yeah, and that was like all that was this whole thing made like 400 videos. Yes of the same thing and just like by the end It's like he's trying to do other things, but it's just nobody was there for that because Tick tock doesn't reward that kind of thing

Or that guy that's like, hello, man See that one what you know what don't worry about one. What? You know what? Don't worry about it. Let's TikTok, baby. Yeah. I don't want no pony. And I guess that makes sense, like, you know, as the years went on. Like you said, this is all they had, and these guys had others.

And that's what the N-Field poltergeist is, too, a one-tick-talk pony. Well, what happened to these kids? Afterward, this one-trick pony, one-tick pony. Janet, the child most affected by the supposed to polterge grew up and moved away from Enfield entirely. She deleted her channel, basically. She really did. Yeah. She basically, she preferred to stay out of the public eye, wishing to move on from the intense scrutiny of her childhood. However, I can imagine that sucks, too, as an adult, the only thing people talk to you about care about is your childhood, and that's all you ever, like people just dig into. However, in the occasional interview that she did give over the years,

Janet has maintained that the haunting was real. She has consistently supported, she has consistently supported the account she gave as a child, stating that while she did play tricks on occasion, the majority of the phenomena to her were very genuine. So she does admit to playing some tricks occasionally. Janet's sister Margaret has also corroborators' just as account, like Janet, she has lived a life largely away from the public eye, and she has insisted in the few interviews that she is given that while the attention and stress of the situation led them to play some pranks, the bulk of the phenomena could not be explained. Despite the differing accounts and unresolved mysteries, the Enfield Poltergeist case remains

one of the most well-documented and widely discussed poltergeist cases in history. The events that took place in that unassuming councilhouse in Enfield have continued to capture the imagination of the public and have been the subject of numerous books, documentaries, and even a Hollywood movie, as we talked about, with the Conjuring 2. Whether it was in a elaborate hoax or a case of misunderstood natural phenomena or a general, or genuine haunting, the Enfield Poltergeist case will forever be a touchstone in the study of the paranormal. And today, the Enfield Poltergeist remains a fascinating study of the inexplicable, a complex nod of truths, half truths, and straight-up lies and pranks, and be- and baguities that still

sparked a debate among believers as if skeptics alike. The Hodgson family, forever marked by their experiences, attempted to move forward. Peggy Hodgson, the mother who had to endure the stress and fear of the events, passed away in 2003, having lived in the same house until her death. Damn. Yeah, she did not move from that place. Her son, Billy, who had been less affected by the phenomenon, also led a life away from

the public eye until his death in 2006. The Anfield Poltergeist case stretched the boundaries of what many people believe is possible. It presented a challenge to the investigators, both dedicated believers, open-minded observers, and hardened skeptics, all in their own way, trying to make sense of this seemingly senseless haunting. And whether or not one believes in the paranormal, a supernatural element of the case, the story of the Enfield Paltrow Geist is above all a human one, as I've been saying from the beginning. It's a tale of a family thrust into what it could be considered an extraordinary situations with two girls who very much felt lonely and enjoyed the attention that they were getting

from this haunting real or not. And a saga that unfolded in the public eye in a way, I don't think any of them were expecting it to. Full of twists and turns that continued to captivate and confound many to this day. And Janet Hodgson, in her adult life, has mostly kept a low profile. She's been cautious about giving interviews and public appearances undoubtedly due to the Demedia friends that she and her family endured during her childhood. The Anfield Poltergeist case had a significant impact on her life and continues to be a subject of interest. And despite her general reluctance to engage with the media, Jenna has given a few interviews over the years. In 2011,

she gave an interview to the Daily Mail, where she reiterated her belief in the authenticity of the paranormal events she experienced. She said, quote, I know from my experience, I don't know why she's an old Southern lady. Oh, no, that's right. Yeah, that's Mark Simpson's mom right there. Yeah, that's who she is now. I know for my own experience that it was real. It lived off me off my energy. I got better at the impression. And I don't even watch the Simpsons. I've only seen a couple of episodes. I didn't doubt that you have your have. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I got some of my one impression I can do apparently. She further explained the impact of the events had in her life, quote,

it was the very, very frightening time. I was bullied at school. They called me ghost girl and put crane flies down my back. What is a crane fly? I'm gonna look it up right now. That's something I didn't look up. I should have looked it up. I didn't, I don't know why I was like.

Crane fly are like big ass looking mosquito dudes. Oh yeah, I am not a mosquito a Crane fly they would just put those down her back and call her ghost girl because kids are kids. Yeah, skater hawks skater eaters Yeah, okay, they look like mosquitoes, but they're not yeah, they're very very passive in skater eaters and and I believe I believe also one of the many creatures That are referred to as daddy long legs. Skater eaters. Skater eaters.

So yeah, they called their ghost girl and put these things down her back under her shirt. And that's gotta, like, that's just mean, do you? I just gnarly. How do you even do that without destroying them before you? When you're what, 11 years old, kids don't care, man. And they might have been dead.

They might have accidentally killed it and just put it down her shirt, you know. In that very same interview, she also admitted to playing tricks, maybe a once or twice, simply to see if the investigators would catch on, but firmly stated that the vast majority of incidents were genuine and beyond her understanding or control. She also spoke about the consequences of the haunting on her later life. She mentioned that she had experienced inexplicable phenomenon in her adult life as well, leading her to believe that she may be particularly susceptible to such events. And again, I want to bring up an interesting comparison. Alien and UFO sightings are weirdly follow people around and tend to pass on generation

to generation. Janet's accounts of the haunting in her adulthood remain consistent with her childhood claims, adding another layer of weird mystery, but the daily mail is kind of like a rag, like a, yeah, right? That's another word for it though, like what's the actual word for it? Tabloid? Yes, tabloid. It's a tabloid, correct? Like daily mail is a tabloid. A shitty publication, a bad, bad journalism. Janet's accounts of the haunting and her adulthood remain consistent, like I said, and despite the scrutiny, skepticism and the passage of time, Janet continues to stand by her story, affirming her belief in the haunting that changed her life

forever. God bless you, Janet. I'm so sorry. Yeah, you know, it seems like at the very least, you know, whether Janet was with the, you know, and I fully believe that I think a lot of this may still very much be a hoax. If not the whole thing, it fucked up the other parts of the family, especially your mom. And I feel for them. And it does seem like, you know, if you listen to the interviews, Janet, because she has some on camera interviews as well, she just looks like a very troubled woman who does not seem to be enjoying life all that much. Take that as you will, you never know what that you know can mean. But you know, that's just where it is. That's where we're left at the

infield, Ponto guys. Before we wrap up the episode, final thoughts, boys, what do you think this was? Any part of it was real? Any part of it at all? Or 100% of hoax done by the girls because the attention they were getting was nice. I can't speak to what started this. You know, I think maybe it could have started as something real that they all experienced together in the house, but I think maybe once you got that taste, right, once these girls got that taste,

I think it's fairly clear that they did most of this and that they don't want to cop to it. Even Janet, I think it's fairly clear. Just like, there's nothing in this that makes me go, oh, but what about that one impossible to explain thing that makes it all seem real? It's like the best things we got is like a recording of a girl going like and that same girl like leaping from one bed to the other. Excuse me, she's levitating. Okay, but I levitate all the time too in between steps that I take down the street.

That's all I'm saying. I think like, this is like a classic like Fargo-esque scenario where the truth be- the lie just got so big that they kind of started learning like weird magic tricks out of fear and they probably got tired of doing that and they probably just stopped for that reason. That's my feeling. And boys. I think also was probably like, just and boys. Not just boys, like school in general, just like the social aspect of being a teenager

and being known as like the ghost kids probably sucked. I mean, yeah, that probably, not fun to be teased about that. Jesse, I imagine you're similarly feeling similar. Yeah, I would be full to say that there's no chance. Sure. But I have been known to be a fool. So I think the two of them made it up.

They did for attention, but also to do it to like get one over on adults, because it's always fun to think you've like tricked an adult, like you're smarter than them. And so I think there's a lot of that too, especially if it's two kids working together, like it's always fun to like know a thing that someone else doesn't know,

and you're pulling this prank on them, and oh my God, they're buying it, and these stupid Americans came over, now they're pulling this prank on them. And oh my god, they're buying it and these stupid Americans came over and now they're buying it. And yes, absolutely. God, I can't imagine opening my door and seeing fucking dumpy ass, Edna Wain, Lorraine Warren there.

And just be like, Damien, is your new house, let me in. And absolutely the blowback at school and stuff, I think that is something they didn't account for. Yeah, like, oh, they see something that's going to get other kids making fun of us. They did it because it was fun to do in the moment and then eventually it became something bigger and what were they going to do? Tell the kids school, it wasn't real. We made it up, right? Yeah. And maybe they did. Maybe there's a kid somewhere who's like, I wasn't

school with them and they said it was all fake. Maybe, I don't know, but um. They've never come forward if they have. Yeah, I, again, there could be a 1% chance. Sure. I'll never say anything's impossible. You know what? I'm gonna go crazy and say, I think as a 10% chance, something happened that at least maybe kicked this whole thing off.

I think it's likely that there was some sort of origin. Yeah, yeah, but I also think a lot of it is folks tricks, the attention was too good, everything about it just kind of suits. They would never even catch it unless she wasn't being watched and all these other things. You know, they were even points again in the investigation where in order to even have them talk the demon talk or whatever, talk through her voice. They had to be in the same room, but they had to face away from each other. And that was the only way it would talk through it.

What? It's funny that the show that was based off of this that I covered in that episode. Yeah. Also was like a thing that everybody thought was real and then turned out to be extremely fake and then everybody, cause like problem. It's like very accurately mirrored to what happened

with Janet or Margaret or whichever one of them Margaret Janet was the main one yeah Janet and the other one was actually called Margaret Yeah, and yeah, I don't know. It's it's similar. It's funny that the the hoax be gatta hoax Yeah, it's it's wild. I think I sit with you both for the most part. I think I believe most of those the hoax. But we'll say there, there's promises made, promises kept. This is an episode I said we would do. I guess like in like the first handful of episodes

we brought up the infield. In the previous decade of this year. Yeah, I was like, we were gonna talk, we'll definitely do this before the 2020s. I'm excited, I'm glad we waited to do it so I could actually do the research and stuff and it was a fun little story and a haunting that is rather famous in the paranormal world. But it's also one of the reasons

like hauntings aren't a big topic on the show because there's not a lot of them that have this level of like detailed logs. Did you know that there's a movie of the curse of La La Rona? What is it? La La Rona? La La Rona. La La Rona. Yeah, La Yarona. La La Yarona. My Sharona. Did you know that that movie is actually part of the conjuring? I hate that.

Isn't that funny? I did not actually know that. I didn't find that out till just now. Yeah, I didn't find that out till just now. All right, we're off to do a mini-sode over at Patreon.com. So I should leave a naughty pod where at the $15 tier you can get the mini-sode audio version at the $20 tier. You can get the video version as well as

everything else including at the $20 tier Rotten Popcorn and digital posters every month so many stones Patreon as a collection of Pod Bye! We're going! Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom so I stepped back inside and after a few moments I hear my wife go,

holy shit get out of here! So I quickly dashed back outside and she's looking up the sky. Oh, I look up too and there's a perfect line of dozen lights traveling across the sky. 1 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd 2 nd Thank you.