Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 218 - The Alex Alien State of the Union - IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE w/ Santell

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast episode 218. As always I am one of your host, Mike Mathis Martin. And today, I'm joined by the two Rodneys of LA. The two Rodneys? The two Rodneys, Alex and not Jesse, but a Michael Santel. I can't get into respect around here. There's no Rodney over here, Los Angeles.

Starting point is 00:00:41 The two Rodneys, Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbin. Oh, do you know who they are? No, the Ronnie's. Yeah, Ronnie starts us with some like obscure English comedy. They had a show called the two Rani's from 1971 to 1987 and BBC's on BBC. Wow. You know, you know, guys, Jesse's not here today because these two are going to scream at each other because they're like two scream at each other because they're like two clones of each other. Today we're here with my good old friend Michael Santel, an internet man and grizzled comedian like myself who you might know for being part of the TOVG family for several years.

Starting point is 00:01:15 Co-hosting super couch fighters with our other friend of the pod, Brett Bayone, his long running in hilariously and genuinely fascinating podcast story time with Miller, and the various gentlemen related shows he does with that other guy who's usually here, telling Mathis No. Jesse Cox, Michael Santel, welcome to the show. Hi, hello, it's beautiful. I can't, that's such a wonderful, just have all my accolades like that.

Starting point is 00:01:36 Thank you so much. Yeah, it's how I get him. It's how I get him on my side, right away. That's how I do it. We couldn't have gotten a more opposite individual to replace Jesse for today. I just want you to know is going to be, I'm, this might be the best episode

Starting point is 00:01:47 we've ever done in my favorite one, but that's just going to be a personal opinion. I mean, what is the, is there a, what is it, what is it, what are the thumbnail that they clicked on? What is, what is the title of this episode? I want to call it alien state of the union. Okay, alien state of the union.

Starting point is 00:02:01 Yeah, yeah, usually these I call them like the modern day Ross well. Yeah, I think that's all good. I, uh, I think alien in that it isn't us is correct, but I don't think this is from space. No, no, Michael Santelian. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can, you can do that. Okay, well, before we get into the alien stuff, because let me tell you something, we're going to go deep, so deep in the alien stuff, we, I wanna ask you the question that we always ask everybody on the show,

Starting point is 00:02:30 which is just like, what is your vibe about the stuff that we talk about on here? Like conspiracy theories, cryptids, ghosts, like internet, scary videos. What is your vibe? Are you a map this or are you a Jesse? Are you in between like an Alex? So I need to do a little trauma dumping and I apologize. I didn't want to bring this

Starting point is 00:02:47 Where millennials man, that's just a bad Conspiracies have wait in my life my dad Rantin New Zealand in the 2000s because he was pretty sure bush 9-11 had happened bush was gonna do martial law They were gonna take everyone's right to way lockdown right So he was like I gotta get out of here So he moved half my family and then I didn't see them for like a decade. That's insane. So Conspiracies I have to take with the great of so they can be life ruining life ruining now mind you

Starting point is 00:03:22 It's not just that. His world goes into a DARPA harp stuff into chem trails, which probably is in some form of the illuminati. And like that popcorn kind of sense. That's wild. Like, yeah, that's an old school stuff too. That's like early 2000 stuff. He's been around. He's been a tech guy for a long time. Right, he got on that internet early. Uh, when we talk about paranormal, I was something that always scared me. I put it, it wasn't into nonsense talk. But now UFOs have got me into that.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Uh, secondly, in terms of UFOs, I mean, I grew up with going to bed to Art Bell. I was way too young listening to that shit. Man, so- George Norris is not the same flavor. It's, oh, and they're so into Trump and Christianity. And the red eyes, they scare him. Yeah, yeah, they all scare him. RIP coast to coast.

Starting point is 00:04:24 I can't wait when George Norris gives it over. He's gonna give it to somebody. Yeah. What do they all scare him. RIP coast to coast. I can't wait. When George and Ori gives it over, he's gonna give it to somebody. Yeah. What do you think he's gonna give it to? Jimmy Church wants it so bad. Jimmy Church wants it so bad. I think he'll give it to somebody and let them make the career off of it. Who's your dream person to take over that show?

Starting point is 00:04:40 Art Bell? No, Art Bell. Art Bell channels. Like listen, wait, let's plug that shit into an AI, give me. Just give it to Tom Weitz. Give it to Tom Weitz. That way, that way it gained some sort of like cinematic, because he'll just be like,

Starting point is 00:04:54 wow, that's weird. And also, he wouldn't take it, but like George Napp could also. My thought was George Napp. I also had the thought Jeremy Corbal as much as I don't really like him. And we have opinions about that man But he's an entertainer. That's for sure. Oh, I hate that you say it like that

Starting point is 00:05:10 But yeah, he would be a great the next hey, I'm the next host of Coast see it right he plays with this beer. Yeah, yeah, you hear it like every bad break then when they returned the greatest evidence We've ever seen and That's where I met today. Because I feel like I didn't really look into this stuff. I was turned off. I really went hard when I was in college into this in like 2010. Got to moon bases and was like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:05:38 Fuck, yeah, I can't, I can't. I can't do it. Into like UFO specifically. No, that like there are bases on the dark side of the moon Oh, yeah, just full on hard. Yeah, just like all of this stuff and they were showing me these videos And I was like I can't trust any of this and push myself away from the table when Not only the New York Times stuff

Starting point is 00:06:02 2017, uh-huh not only that stuff, but when I started hearing, I mean, I feel like it was Leslie Keane's book. I feel like American Cosmic was in there as well. Um, and a lot of Jack O'Shockful lay stuff, I think is very necessary. The Invisible College, passport, Timagony, literally, yeah, you're ringing the ring bells right now.

Starting point is 00:06:24 Well, that's where, that's, but but that's the but that's also the deal I'm gonna sound out there to everybody. You're not at my level yet and that's okay That's listen, they they they put me all the time. Don't worry about it. It's a sound like that's where I'm at It's why it's weird Jesse didn't show up to this episode. Yeah, it's very strange I don't know why he's not here. I called Jesse after grush I called him he picked it up. He was right. He was in his car. He pulled over so he could like Just tamper my expectations Literally, it's what he does on the show

Starting point is 00:06:55 Jesse came in like that big mama's cloud from one piece like turn Storm and just was like Papa, I just was like, PAPAPO! I just was like, calm your shit down. But the thing with Jesse and I love the man to death, I feel like he leaves a lot of context off of his opinions. So, Jesse is the number one student. He's the number one student in every classroom he's ever been in.

Starting point is 00:07:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah, hands up always first. He beat academia and left to do you too. Like, you know what I mean? So Jesse is not going to share his soul with you. You're only going to get thought. He's thought about it. Jesse's opinion are gold. I mean, like a diamond. very. They're worth. They're worth listening to because he's not lying to you. He's not. Oh, I'm not. He's not lying and he's not flippant. I don't think he's internalized what we're talking. I don't think it's possible. Like I think it takes time. I don't think he's internalized what we're talking about here.

Starting point is 00:08:04 It's a logical shock to the people when you're like, wait, the evidence is just so heavy in the hand of something is happening. That when you have to accept that it's either it's tech that's 50 plus years ahead of us minimum, that makes no sense for humans to have, or it's something hundreds or thousands or millions of years. Because people are like, well, it's China, well, it's Russia, or it's this or it's something hundreds or thousands or millions of years.

Starting point is 00:08:25 Because people are like, well, it's China, well, it's Russia, or it's this or it's that. And I'm like, but we release high definition video of the Russian drone, like the drone that got poured on by Russian gas. We released a high definition photo of the Chinese spy balloon. But those three things that were shot down before then, not a fucking peep. All these hundreds of UFOs and UAPs that they literally debrief new members of the Air Force in nowadays because it is so common, not a fucking peep. I have to say just before we move on any further, that the phenomenon has been proven to me

Starting point is 00:09:03 real to me beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like I'm not, there's no question about that. It's not based. Okay, hold on, hold on. I am completely agnostic to whatever the fuck it is. And that's the way it should be approached. Okay. There's no fucking way that this is rushing tech.

Starting point is 00:09:20 No, it was rushing. It made me winning right now. I know, but you're saying these things so calmly and people are like, okay, I gotta think about it. No, no, Russian, they'd be winning right now. But you're saying these things so calmly and people are like, okay, I got to think about it. No, no, no, no. This was Russian tech. Ukraine wouldn't be happening of which they are seeing lots of weird stuff in the sky.

Starting point is 00:09:34 Well, it's another time of nuclear attention. Absolutely. If China had this, their foreign policy would be different. Ta-day. Ta-day, you would be seeing that stuff. They don't got this here. Did you hear the rumor that the reason we're pushing disclosure right now is because it's possible that China was able to at least backward engineer a small piece of something they

Starting point is 00:09:55 had? Alex, do you understand what he just said? I do. And China has this beam that can pull minerals out of the ground. Yes, right. And this might be the fucking thing. Wait, wait, wait. But this could also be the beam. Like I could just like pull fucking blood out of your lungs,

Starting point is 00:10:14 right? Like this is the problem with this stuff. I've heard that, I've also heard that the intelligence community was wary of this coming out because listen, we're going to be in a war with China in the foreseeable future and like, we don't need to be talking about this yet. Which makes no sense to me because we're already fucking yourself right. You're talking about the military. Just talk about it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, has probably been staved on. Do you understand we used all of the bullets from South Korea?

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Starting point is 00:12:42 sign up for the Dash Pass student plan. Subject change in terms of apply. Segwish. Oh, okay, my bad. Santel. Yeah. Has anything ever happened to you personally that adds to this opinion that you have about this?

Starting point is 00:13:00 Just like David Grushlewistleblower, I have no firsthand knowledge of these things. I'll tell you this though, I've had weird synchronicities, I've had meaningful things that have happened in my life and when I reflect upon them later on, I am baffled that they turned out that way. I don't know what that is and I can have a couple of things that I can think about in my life. That would maybe be that, but I don't have like the ghost story. I don't have the UFO.

Starting point is 00:13:35 I don't have any of those things. In a way that's like stronger though, because like the fact that you feel so strongly about it regardless of that is like. It seems like, it feels like the opinion is kind of like that it makes more sense for it to be something to pay attention to than not. For sure. And I think that people lack a level of empathy when they hear individuals that tell them

Starting point is 00:14:01 their accounts of these things. And that's almost by design though. Absolutely. that tell them their accounts of these things. And that's almost by design though. Like absolutely. Because these events fundamentally change people. Right? You can't, if you see something move the way people see it did, say they see it describe to be moved

Starting point is 00:14:15 or a low-flying, dead, silent triangle, whatever, your brain sees that and I imagine just breaks. You're just like, what am I, what's happening? That's like from Vampire the Masked Raid, isn't it? That's major, that's major specifically. Oh right, major, my match, my match, my match, my match, but yeah, I agree with you. I mean, like, it's hard.

Starting point is 00:14:34 And somebody who has seen nothing in the sky other than like a light that kind of dimmed, so I feel like that can still be kind of explained by kind of anything. It's the same thing where I just like, the empty, this ruins people's lives. That's the, like, it's unforgettable. It's unforgettable.

Starting point is 00:14:50 Barney was on like, I think a game show once, they had a couple of books, they went to some conventions, they were not making a lot of money. These were not huge like things, and even prior to them, it ruins, it's ruining Grush's life. Like as we speak,

Starting point is 00:15:05 he literally was like trying to hurt me. The medical community or the department of defense leaked his mental health report from when he had PTSD in 2014 and 2018, obviously suffering from some alcoholism is why filed some charges and whatnot from being an Afghanistan and being deployed. So the implication is,

Starting point is 00:15:24 A, he can't be trusted because he has PTSD. But that's a further implication of, okay, does anybody has PTSD? We just shouldn't trust then. Is that a message you're trying to send us? Exactly. It's not like he has schizophrenia or any other things. He fucking saw combat and got fucked up by it. Like anybody else doesn't change the identity. 10 year run in the intelligence community that was extremely successful

Starting point is 00:15:44 by all the accounts. The amount of vouch community that was extremely successful by all the amount of vouchers that he got is like crazy. Yeah, he got that all in so many people in and out. He walked the papers to Biden's office. He was on the bigot list. Every person that looked into him, it matched up specifically as well, the Congress people that have been looking into this for two plus years behind closed doors. People forget about like the senators coming out from those closed door hearings, looking

Starting point is 00:16:13 fucking shocked and being like the American people need to know more. We need to know more. Here's a conspiracy theory for you. I think so there's that historic meeting when Trump goes to me nobama in the office. Yeah, yeah, and he comes out like, look at like, oh shit. This is a job got kicked out of them. Yeah. I wonder if he dropped like, Hey, just FYI and aliens. There's this shit that we don't know nothing fucking about. I would say no. I don't think Trump was ever informed. I mean, from what I've wrote, he would have used it. He would have used it.

Starting point is 00:16:44 But one of the reasons why I've heard This is all coming out is because Trump was talked was brought was read into some of this stuff and that they're fucking worried He's gonna sing the fuck he's gonna go on the stand-in-go. Hey, I'm gonna tell you guys they're really lying to you This is what they're lying to you about that doesn't ring as true because I feel like he would have said it already He's so nasty about Roswell. he goes, that's a very interesting story. Not gonna talk about it, but it's a very interesting story. But that's how he is all the time. He wants to leave you dangling on his every word.

Starting point is 00:17:13 He's waiting for you. I don't, I don't, no, I don't think Trump, if they were informed, I don't think they informed him. I don't. Well, I think that the people, that's also where again, I feel like people aren't listening to what the senators are saying. Because they are saying like, yeah, this is basically what we were told behind closed doors as well.

Starting point is 00:17:31 And supposedly shown. Supposedly shown. The 22 minute, the Elizondo video. Apparently, yeah, apparently they all watched that. And that's when the one they came out from and they were like, yeah, you ever hear the story about Jimmy Carter like weeping? Yes, I've heard about Jimmy Carter. I think also we then need to take into account the Nixon taking what's his name. Oh my God. He's drinking buddy because I mean, it's another, I guess what?

Starting point is 00:17:57 That's a weird connection to he took him to a basin, Florida. And where were the senators? I mean, house, it was in Florida. Where the base commander told them, you can't see it and the Congress people were like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's insane. But the real reason we're here today, of course.

Starting point is 00:18:13 Patreon.com slash Shillumonati. You are a hundred percent right about that. Fuck yeah. Yeah. And the real deal is, we don't need you. What? What are you talking about? Yeah, hang on man, we do need them. Oh, can we what do you say? We're not here for more

Starting point is 00:18:27 $5 a month ad free episode members We're not here for $15 a month exclusive bonus mini-sode members every single week We're not here for $20 profit members that get also rotten popcorn and also a video version of the that get also rotten popcorn and also a video version of the mini-sode and also a monthly digital art poster. We're not even here for the chosen that get $50 a month for the Chaluma Nadi uniform t-shirt every time you get it, you get it for free. We're here for the $10,000 a month make Jesse believed here. What? There has to be one person out there. I know. One crazy rich person out there who's listening to this show who wants to waste some money here. What? There has to be one person's out there. I know one crazy rich person out there who's listening to the show who wants to waste some money here. Please come down. If you do this, you

Starting point is 00:19:12 will make our lives better. The show will get better. And I hope that everybody out there, everybody out there on the Patreon already, everybody out there on the subreddit, our slash Chalumonati pod can all come together and beg some nice caring rich person to show their high status by agreeing to pay us $10,000 a month. Thank you for coming to my podcast. You know, crowd fund it. Go fund me a $10,000 and then the crowd can decide what Jesse believes. That's exactly right. That's what we're willing to do.

Starting point is 00:19:43 We're willing to sell our own beliefs To get you to come support us on the beach. It's like the deep state paying me to believe as crazy as they are to spread The state's listening, which let's be honest. They are they are totally listening. How about you guys come in? We'll we'll play ball. Yeah, for sure. They can be on the show. Yeah, we'll sell out this whole show We'll turn this into a propaganda machine if you set us up Okay, $10,000 a month. Patreon.com slides to the net. Listen, listen, whoever you are, one percent, you will change the quality of this show. It will work.

Starting point is 00:20:13 Up, everything. Yeah, you'll be a hero. Absolutely. Listen, look what happened to Elon Musk. Absolutely. Yeah, he had this rich dad table with a couple of billions of dollars. One of you has a rich dad. Let's support this podcast to the moon.

Starting point is 00:20:25 Yeah, let's go. And now for the part of my script, that's marked, hold open. No. Ah. The first thing we're gonna open with today is from the comment section of a YouTube video by somebody called Mr. G.

Starting point is 00:20:39 And that video is called, psychologist analyzes the UFO whistleblower's body language. And I just wanted to use something random like this because I think it's kind of fitting that we open with the YouTube comment because the age old struggle, right, with this type of information is that almost nothing at all in this episode can be meaningfully confirmed in any way outside of maybe what you've gleaned from the recent UAP hearings and interviews with the Russell. That is nonsense.

Starting point is 00:21:07 Also, they did everything they could to make that hearing as boring as humanly possum. I'm just saying, what we've got here today, the way that we find out about this, like people who are looking for this information, always, it always begins somewhere where you kind of have to take some sort of leap of faith before you can start to believe it to at least start to put some ideas together.

Starting point is 00:21:28 It's crazy that you're still using terms like belief because belief is something I understand the context of which you're using it. This is why we have Jesse on the show. No, no, no, this is why we don't need Jesse. But like what? What they are there are tangible things that are showing up on multiple radar systems with eyes, with ears, people are seeing it, these things are showing up at cap points, they're going underneath air, water, and space.

Starting point is 00:21:56 I mean, you're 100% right? Bro, you know what drives me nuts? Is like talking about like the footage that dropped of like the hovering UAP over the ocean that eventually goes down, you can hear the military guy's going splash down. Like I bring it to my friend who is in the Marines who has seen a dealt with these things

Starting point is 00:22:13 and he's like, well, the reason it's around is because it's miles out there, it's a heat signature, it's picking out. So that's why you can't see any details but everybody in the comment section is like, it's a bird. I'm like, how do you know better? Then these people who do this for a living is like, I hate the internet people

Starting point is 00:22:27 except for the ones who give us money. You're all fucking dumb. I love that the UFO subreddit, they are all just fucking experts on military grade flares. They all just went to fucking college for this one thing and just happened to be on this reddit, just fucking commentate.

Starting point is 00:22:45 Not only are they fucking pros on flares, they'll then spend two weeks believing something that is so clearly CGI is real with the MH-3370 flight. And I'm like, this is why I have nobody, you are literally wasting weeks thinking this is actual footage that was leaked by Grush. Anyway, yeah, and it's time to hear from one of those guys right now.

Starting point is 00:23:06 Uh, this, this one's first, what does this Nick West have to say? This was from, this is for Centeltery. This is literally just a commenter on that video. Reddom Compton. Yeah, you got to read this. As a current arrow engineer from the US Air Force 26 years and still going, I can help you decode the, decode at least some of this. First, I know that Grush has only limited ability to talk about this subject.

Starting point is 00:23:31 He did get clearance to speak a certain extent, but he must withhold quite a bit in order to avoid serious law violations. So, expect him to be holding back some things he could say and also necessities Refraising on the fly language he would normally use second this retrieval program is Real and is the most highly classified program in the US the program is called zodiac and this may or may not may not come out to the public hearing soon. Take this take this. Okay, I can't do that guys in title voice anymore.

Starting point is 00:24:14 Take this in when viewing this man's speech is trying to talk about the most highly classified project in the world. People have historically died, lost careers, lost family due to the secret. So to say that it is stressful to talk about would be an understatement. Third, when he, when he shook his head talking about the spacecraft and alien because we don't really think that's what they, what they are, but this term is in common and, and used publicly. And in case, and is close as we can describe the phenomenon to the general public to be understood. These are much more than spacecraft. They are transmittium interdimensional craft of the best of our knowledge. And on the alien aspect, it is just easiest term we have because we don't really know for sure. But

Starting point is 00:25:05 this term is pretty close. At present, we consider most of these beings to be advanced biological AI, manufactured beings. Lastly, I can tell you from my own experience while on duty, these are real. I can tell you this because I was present at two occasions where these craft were above our base watching us. I wasn't readin' the program. I can tell you only I was there and on two occasions that these are real as the nose on your base. That comments frustrating because I mean, he or he begins with like, which may or may

Starting point is 00:25:39 not come out, which you know adds, it gives him that leeway to just kind of make up whatever he wants to make up. And along those lines, I'm going to give you right now a warning. This episode is meant to introduce you to this concept of recovering and studying technology of non-human origin and the sort of fringe conspiracy vibe that it currently has. It's kind of the hot topic right now in this field of UFO and UAP. You know, it's, it's the latest stage of the disclosure discussion. And it's, it's very popular right now, even outside of just like the core UFO circle. So that's, that's the point of this.

Starting point is 00:26:15 And it isn't to be interpreted as factual allegations. We're trying to get a snapshot. But it's basically, most of these sources are Reddit posts and 4chan comments, which can be posted by literally anyone. At best and at the most generous, you might call this an anthropological or sociological survey, but I wouldn't even call it that, and I want to be clear, this episode's content is not so much something I set out to find as it is something I started noticing myself as I was just doing so normal reading about UFOs as the host of a podcast about aliens and ghosts and killers and shit.

Starting point is 00:26:49 But first things first, let's just take a sec. I want to skim the Wikipedia for this company that we're going to talk about today to get a sense of the quote official story surrounding. Okay, so we're going to just jump right into this right here. This company is called Batell Memorial Institute. Okay, and basically what this is is they're they're based in Ohio. They've been around for like a hundred years and basically their idea is that they originally focused on contract research and development in the work areas of metals and material science right from Wikipedia. Batell is now an international science and technology enterprise that explores emerging areas of science develops commercial and commercializes technology and manages laboratories for customers. Did they stop putting patterns out in the 50s?

Starting point is 00:27:36 No, they still, they're still one of the big. Do you read that Reddit post about the geneticists who worked on the bodies and stuff? No. We'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there, we'll get there. We might have to take a minute, a break and we'll have Dean edit out the silence so you can read that. It is, I would consider it a cornerstone to whistle blowing posts that are anonymous, but it's real incredible as you can.

Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah, I've got you right. It's literally, yeah, we'll get to it. But I mean, that also resonates with me because of the stuff that is coming out from the doctors down in Virginia, Brazil and the stuff that they resonates with me because of the stuff that is coming out from the doctors down in Virginia, Brazil and the stuff that they noticed and that all of that footage They're talking about what they did, but the results of all of that is still being hidden I know what they would have a about That was the being that they that the the craft hit the ground They found this being three days later in a town three girls found it

Starting point is 00:28:24 They were walking in between like through this field. It was completely brown and like slimy had bulging red eyes and smelled of sulfur. Like it looked like somebody like popped or something like some kind of fucked up body. Something. No, it was a lie. And it was and it liked to pet like connected with them and was in pain. They ran from their Skull reaming the military had blocked off two roads on the other sides and then they found this thing So they blocked off the two areas. They called this they called somebody to do it

Starting point is 00:28:59 This is speculation on my point on my part I don't think anyone wanted to grab this thing and eventually one guy fucking says all do it I'm not a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:29:11 I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:29:19 I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. shoulder with like two clothings, guy drops them off within the next month. The guy's dead has a bacterial infection. No one has ever seen before.

Starting point is 00:29:32 Everything they tried on this guy, nothing worked. He was 22 years old. He was a military guy, murdered. His family wants somebody to talk about this and to validate what's going on. They took it to the hospital. They did x-rays on it. The x-ray tech was like, they like put this bag in there and had me set it up and then they're like, great, what button do we hit? Get the fuck out of here.

Starting point is 00:29:54 Right. But he saw the tiny bag and all of that shit. Unrelated, but tell has research patents in genomics, life sciences research, medical device development, neuro technology and public health study. Isn't that interesting? Based on what you just said. All of the different things that you would need to be, to be anywhere near touching what this is.

Starting point is 00:30:15 Or if you had this and you wanted to figure out what it was exactly what you would do with it. I mean, it blot, see, and that's the other part of this which we haven't said that everyone is okay now with talking about these craft. Like, for all these people, there's always people that I really respect. Ross Colthart is the man who is going to be in the history books, everybody. If you'd like to get on that bandwagon, start listening to him.

Starting point is 00:30:42 He is the real deal. But you know, when he first came out, he was like, listen, we're not here to talk about little beings from Zeta reticuli. Got it. That's not what we're talking about. When the fuck are we going to start talking about the beings? Right. When it like, well, there are pilots in these things. When are we going to talk about it? That's what's wild. Okay. So the, the post on Reddit, wow, man, continue. So I'm gonna let you go. Leslie Kean said she wouldn't write about the bodies in her in 2017. They didn't let her write about it in the debrief article.

Starting point is 00:31:10 It's like, Michael Schellenberger, who came at this from another angle. He was like, I think it's a lot just less deniable than like, oh, this is just Chinese or like, oh, this is just Russian that, you know, to have a well, but that's what they told Annie Jacobson. They told her that Roswell was deformed kids with autism that Stalin made look like fucking aliens. And Roswell was supposed to be a fuck you to the military. Like, yes, what? I can get into your country anytime I want to.

Starting point is 00:31:39 That's what Annie Jacobson was told by a guy from the Department of Energy, which I think is where this is being hit. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment.

Starting point is 00:31:52 I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment.

Starting point is 00:32:00 I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of the moment. I was a lot of You guys both are very frustrated right about the fact that it's all there. And people just can't connect it to the real world. America has the stuff. We go and bully all these other countries. We stolen crash ratchets. We've got some stuff. We're pretty sure Russia's got some stuff. And for sure China has some. I mean, who doesn't? Right? Okay. so here's how it's gonna work. We're gonna tell the story by checking in through time

Starting point is 00:32:27 with Lieutenant Colonel Philip J. Corso. You probably know who this is, right? And we're gonna follow- The first whistleblower? We're gonna follow- I love the people like, if you're gonna, where are the leaks? Where are the whistleblowers?

Starting point is 00:32:38 Like, haven't you been watching history for- Yeah, we're gonna just- God, that's basically- But basically what we're gonna try and do is like, structure this episode in a way where people that maybe weren't listening to this. And I think the fact that Jessica and that I'm not here for this is actually like going to make this into a pretty crazy episode.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Can you link in the in the show notes? Can you put the like three hundred the 250 page document they gave Congress. I've got it all. Yeah. Great. Like that's an official timeline of all of this. And that's just like not even the fringe stuff. And we're not even talking about Rendlesham Forest and all of you are going to do a whole series on Rendlesham.

Starting point is 00:33:13 Okay. Yeah, don't even, don't even trip. We got you like a multi-parter. Yeah. You can always count on the Chalubanati to do the alien thing. Thank you. I appreciate you. I appreciate the hard work.

Starting point is 00:33:22 In fact, it's $10,000 worth of hard work. Yeah, that's what I would say. Patreon.com slash Chalubanati.com. Can't believe we're all thinking the same thing. Anyway, Lieutenant, Philip J.,000 worth of hard work to be honest. That's what I would say. Patreon.com slash Tube 90.com. Can't believe we're all thinking the same thing. Anyway, Lieutenant Philip J. Corso wrote a book that's very famous from 1997 called The Day After Roswell. And I would say that that book in many ways, he's a US Army officer. He's a Pentagon official.

Starting point is 00:33:37 He worked in the like research office, foreign technology research office for a short time. It's basically kind of like the template for what's going on right now. And if it's all true, right, which I'm sure there's a lot of disinformation over the years that has kind of been seeded throughout all of this as part of the sort of like way that a government would deal with secrets like this. I think you'll see as we go through this and kind of line this up with what's going on right now that you can kind of put together a way that maybe this makes sense in the real world.

Starting point is 00:34:08 It isn't just a crazy imaginary thing, which I'm hoping we can get to today. That's my goal. Remind you, like, could our government today hide this? Fuck no, you can't. I mean, they can't do anything. No, like, not the way that we are imagining it. What they're doing though is they're very good at misinfo. Yeah. And they poisoned, as we tell you all the time, the UFO was poisoned so badly by the government

Starting point is 00:34:29 that when they were ready to take it seriously, they're rebranded as UAP. Exactly. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna look at a bunch of little details in like a microscopic way. And I'm not gonna like really tell you a story. I'm just gonna kind of lay out these things and the vibe is gonna just kind of

Starting point is 00:34:45 be to just kind of glean some meaning from it. Get a sense of maybe what you think is going on. I really appreciate your confidence that the structure will hold. I think it will. I think it will. Okay, yeah, okay. So back when he was a major, Corso finds Brownie, who is like his friend, who he met through a bowling league, who is like a lower, he's like a soldier, and Corso's an officer, but they're friends, because they bowl together. So he takes him into the veterinary wing, and shows him the alien remains that they have at four.

Starting point is 00:35:16 We talk about this a little bit in our res, we'll see this towards the end of it. Yes, exactly right. And Mathis is gonna be the voice of Corso today throughout our show. So I'm going to highlight what you wanna read and I'm just gonna talk to you about it. But just listen about what he just said.

Starting point is 00:35:29 His friend, his normal friend, who's also in the military, he's like, man, I gotta show you some shit. And where did they hide it? Can't keep it at the hospital. They took it to a vet hospital. Yes, they took it in a corner in some box. Yup, because that's where you keep the dead dogs.

Starting point is 00:35:43 No one's gonna go look over there. No one's gonna look over there. No, and then never mind the private companies. We have their own grubby little paws all over everything. Yeah, we're gonna get there. That's where we're headed today. Yeah, so this is, this is, this is Corso. Whatever they created this way was a coffin,

Starting point is 00:35:56 but not like any coffin I'd seen before. The contents enclosed in a thick glass container were submerged in a thick light blue liquid, almost as heavy as a jelling solution of diesel fuel. But the object was floating, actually suspended and not sitting on the bottom with the fluid over the top. And it was soft and shiny as the underbelly of a fish. At first, I thought it was a dead child.

Starting point is 00:36:15 They were shipping somewhere. But this was no child. It was a four-foot human-shaped figure with arms, bizarre-looking, four-fingered hands. I didn't see a thumb thin legs in feet and an oversized incandescent lightbulb-shaped head that looked like it was floating over a balloon gondola for a chin. Yeah, so he wasn't supposed to see it. A great paranormal reading voice.

Starting point is 00:36:35 Thank you, so good. I should take it over for him, too. Guys are literally falling in love with each other. What I found was intriguing Army Intelligence document. Oh, I'm sorry. He wasn't supposed to see it and only entertained his curiosity a little bit, but the alien wasn't the only thing he saw. He continues, math has taken away. You have to read the genetics post, dude.

Starting point is 00:36:51 Okay, dude, we're going to literally do it right now before, yeah. What I found was an intriguing Army Intelligence document describing the creature as an inhabitant of a craft that had craft that had crash landed in Roswell, New Mexico earlier that week, and a routing manifest for this creature to the log and officer at the air material command at right field, of course. And from him to the Walter Reed Army Hospital Morx Pathology section, where I suppose the creature would be autopsyd and stored. Okay. So, now that's where we're going to leave.

Starting point is 00:37:17 That's a little tablo, of course. So, the first time that they ever clapped eyes on alien stuff, definitely not the last time that he did. Yep. that they ever clapped eyes on alien stuff. Definitely not the last time that he did. Yeah. But next we're going to go to a post from the user doots on our slash UFO, highlighting something interesting that they notice just a regular old. This is from the doke so different. Yeah, they noted they noted this about the David grudge situation that both math essentials and people forget to get on top of her mind. I'm thinking of it. Yeah, grush's name is only public because they leaked the document with his name.

Starting point is 00:37:46 They like forced him. He was two years doing this in private. He did not come out and do this on purpose. And they didn't revoke his, started revoking his credentials until he met with George Napp and Jeremy Corbell at a Star Trek convention. Right. Which is so fucking fun. Jeremy Corbell just happens to be BFFs with

Starting point is 00:38:05 the creator's son of Star Trek. They were going there to see him. They asked him, Hey, we're going to be here all day. Well, do you want to come visit us? 24 hours later, that's when all the shit started hitting the fan. I mean, Corbell is like poison and also necessary in some ways. Yeah. So here's the quote from from dudes for Santeldery right here. Okay. I might sound crazy here, but in David Grush's interview, he talked about the Air Force base. He was stationed at an Ohio called Wright Patterson Air Force base. Well, after some digging, I came across a company called, uh,

Starting point is 00:38:35 Betel, is that who I'm just looking at? We're specialized in aerospace, which is located right next to Wright Patterson Air Force base, right? So big. They had to move it next door. It doesn't say that. I have come to the conclusion that this is one of the companies he said he can't name specifically when referring these companies examining extraterrestrial objects. Now, you might be asking, where's the proof of this claim?

Starting point is 00:38:58 Well I found an article coming from the government that was all capitalized, talking about confidential treatment requested by the Alien Technology Court, which was subsidized by Patel. If you'd like the entire confidential document, you can read it here. And it's a link directly to a government website. Please let me know what your thoughts are or tell me that I'm crazy. This tracks with me because some of the only senators and congress people that don't want this to come out is the Republican Right, like the person that has this huge thing

Starting point is 00:39:34 And that's the other thing. This is what Ross Coltert keeps finding these government documents where this is what they're writing about It's like people forget we arguments where this is what they're writing about. It's like people forget we. I also I also I didn't say this earlier and I apologize for my weird tone earlier. I think Zodiac is the fake name for the group. I think I think that there is a group in a called Zodiac. No, it's probably closer to what the MJ 12 realistically was. Well, and then what did Ross Coltert said? He called it like group X or I can't remember. Group Q did bang bang bang on. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But okay, so this is this document. It's a real document. You can just see. I'm just showing this to you guys.

Starting point is 00:40:15 We can see it. It has like some ring looks fucking. Like semi-pastor. Like archives of the government website out in like Edgar semi passive backscatter readers are being talked about here Wave ID is like a company here also. They're talking about alien technology group over here Alien acquisition corporation among alien technology corporation Right, right. This is like multiple again multiple, again, if there is a, if there is a crash retrieval program, groups worked on this. There were break rooms where they drank coffee,

Starting point is 00:40:53 and they don't talk about football. Is it was so heavily compartmentalized that it was like small groups of like five to 10 people, they don't know what they're working on. They're just said, try to figure out how this works. And then they bring them all apart. That's what the 4chan guy said. Well, that's also what, I mean, then they bring the fortune guy said well that's also what I mean beyond the fortune guy people that's what Lazar was saying for years and I have very mixed opinions on Lazar two people

Starting point is 00:41:12 have come out and publicly shit on the czar oh they have a whole time cold heart said that he did work at area 51 but he didn't know and then I just listened to a CIA scientist guy he was on concrete yesterday while pull up his name in a second who basically said he's a useful idiot that they told them like a bunch of nonsense. I can't even understand what was really going on. Well, that's what I also believe too is they also fracture it up so much and they feed them lies so they don't actually ever go out and say so like Richard Dodie. Yeah, 100 because people are saying things. It's not like nobody's leaking. There has to be true stuff in there so that when it finally boils over eventually that it's not like nobody's leaking. There has to be true stuff in there so that when it finally boils over eventually that

Starting point is 00:41:45 it's not like the genetics, the genetics post that we are going to talk about, I guess, is a guy that is human. No, the genetics guy worked at Patel for 10 years from 2000 to 2010 working on what remains they had, but we'll get to that. Yeah. So he said that there was a that these things would crash usually once between five and 10 years. So if anybody works at this place and has a 10 year, they probably somewhere in there either

Starting point is 00:42:07 it happened at the beginning and they kept the secret or it happened at the end and they're like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. And there's probably a pretty good like system in place to process all that too. I don't know. Government is a here. So here's a response to that document about Vatel

Starting point is 00:42:20 from the user cyber fetus. And that's gonna be Mathis. That document is not confidential. It's a request for confidential treatment. US Securities and Exchange Commission's SEC, the rules require reporting companies to file material agreements as exhibits to periodic reports, registration statements, and certain other disclosure documents. Oftentimes those agreements contain commercially sensitive terms that could result in competitive harm if revealed to the public. Certain rules permit companies to redact commercially sensitive terms that are not material to investors from agreements to be filed with the SEC. Aerospace companies are commonly located near government installations like on an Air Force Base and considering defense and national

Starting point is 00:42:57 security comprises nearly half of the total aerospace industry. The government frequently works with private contractors commercial to research and develop aerospace products. Alien technology is a global company that makes primarily UHF RFID components, which is like a type of sonar type deal. There's a million other technology research and manufacturing companies like them. They just have a name that stands out.

Starting point is 00:43:21 Yeah, so that's just the name of a company, but I will admit that when things are named that, it really does, and they're subsidized by Betel. It really does give me a vibe as I read it that someone involved is like kind of like thumbing their nose and kind of being like, yeah, it's aliens. But then like, it actually is aliens. And from a lot of the rumors too,

Starting point is 00:43:41 it's like old guard versus new guard happening right now where the old guard wants to keep it secret. But the newer people, it's like old guard versus new guard happening right now where the old guard wants to keep it secret, but the newer people the ones who are working over 10 years and then leaving on the ones that are like, no, this can't be a secret. Yeah, exactly. That was the point I forgot to make earlier on our modern government can't keep the secret. This is this was one of the things that got wrapped up at the end of World War 2. I think that the those scientists that made the bomb, I think they were the first guys to probably look at this and take these secrets to their grave. I think that this is the, I think this is that secret from there. Grush talks about 1933 with the first crash, and then it's like, okay, well, one other crashes is the thing that I can talk about it, but like an actual

Starting point is 00:44:19 document he provided as well, like an actual, you can go look at it online right now. Right, and those are the documents that we have access to. There are more documents about the other thing people forget is we're civilians. We're citizens. There's closed-door meetings that have been having for years that they're seeing things that we do not get to see. It doesn't mean that those things do not exist. It just means that there's a bunch of plebs that don't get to look at that. For some reason, France has been from the governmental level funding a UFO program since the 60s.

Starting point is 00:44:49 Those candidates. Right. And this paperwork. Well, and the Kinnit, and that was one of the things that George Napp and Corbell got out, that document where the guy was like, Hey, you need to know now and you need to be read in on this because Canadian people are going to be pissed off at you. Yes. Yes. I remember showing that to Jesse, and I can't remember exactly what he said,

Starting point is 00:45:07 but it was something along his lines of, well, he's just this guy or whatever, like one dude. They're all just one dude, but that's the deal. There's too many of them at this point. There's too many one dudes. Right. Yeah, but you know what's crazy is that like, to get to this point where I kind of like agree with you guys,

Starting point is 00:45:21 you know what I mean? Like, I don't know all of them. It's been a five year journey doing this in this. Jesse's not here. As soon as Jesse comes back, you know what I mean? Like I don't know all the five year journey doing this. Jesse's not here as soon as Jesse comes back here to hear the voice of reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're maybe right. But like the thing that's weird is to me about Batel is that it actually wasn't aliens that got me to Batel. Like actually what got me to Batel first because then I then I started reading into the UFO stuff and the UAP stuff and I'm seeing the

Starting point is 00:45:46 name Battell Poppa again and I'm like oh shit and then I read that fucking geneticist thing and Battell pops up again. Alex, this is deep research right now that you're talking about. Because this is how you mean right now? Yeah, you just got backdoored into UFO regime by going through private contract. So what basically happened was I was literally reading a review of Shutter Island from freepress.org, the movie from 2010. So I wanted to refresh yourself, but what a good movie that is. I was 90%, it's 90% a good movie. It's a good movie.

Starting point is 00:46:14 The last scene of the movie falls apart. It's pretty good though. It's pretty well done. Well anyway, anyway, just a minute. The point is, I can't believe you've seen that movie of all movies. There's a lot of those actions. Like, wait, that movie, that's literally, that's the whole thing. I know who Neil of those actions. Like, wait, that movie is literally the, that's the whole thing.

Starting point is 00:46:25 I know who Neil Breene is. Yeah, that's amazing. That's crazy. That's crazy. I know. That's the whole bit. But the whole deal is the reviews talking about how Shutter Island depicts like an operation paperclip Nazi situation and how that guy is like being able to continue doing his

Starting point is 00:46:42 like awful experience experiments in America now with the blessing of the government under its wing and major companies because they're working together and the review is kind of like out there a little bit. It talks about Dr. Bruce E. Ivans, do you know who that is? No. He's the anthrax guy. He's like the guy like back in the day who like mailed

Starting point is 00:47:02 those anthrax. He's like, mailed. And they kind of Pain him in this in this review is kind of like a Lee Harvey Oswald guy and also kind of like Teddy from the movie who like gets close to blowing the lid off stuff Get slow-bottomized the story of this Bruce Ivan's guys like really interesting. He like Said like the stories that he had like a alternate personality called like crazy earning or some shit. And he was like stalking women and his letters like

Starting point is 00:47:30 hinted at that and all this stuff. But it's just like a really weird whole situation. That sounds like MK Ultra stuff. That sounds like we did a four-part deep dive on MK Ultra. Yeah, and it's all and it's all kind of the same guys. But a unit 731. Yeah, and so here's a quote from that and it's kind of about this. So this is for Centel to read again right here. No, we're in the article where you find a mention of Patel material institute headquarters in Columbus, Ohio. The Times reported earlier, Patel's project Jefferson and clear vision are curious characters

Starting point is 00:48:00 like William C. Patrick third and Ken Albeck. Albeck is a is a former number two man in the Soviet illegal biotechnical medical program and and and consultated at Patel with Patrick and Patel consulate consultant who wrote a paper on sending anthrax through the mail. Readers might want to Google Patel,

Starting point is 00:48:21 the security industrial complex favorite nonprofit and their shutter island like facility in West Jefferson, Ohio. The FBI originally told the free press that they were looking at Patel and West Jefferson. And the profit, uh, motive of a newly formed company that stood to make hundreds of millions of dollars off ant off anthrax vaccines. So it's kind of like, like there's without saying it, they're kind of saying like, maybe that anthrax got out for a different reason. Alex, that's, that's a false flag event. 100%. Right. Like, that's, that's the, the motive, the individuals, the company. I mean, that's pretty, it could be, that's my dad's stuff right there. Yeah, it could be, you know what I mean? Like, it's, it's all, it's all kind of,

Starting point is 00:49:07 It's all kind of, like, again, I don't really believe everything that's out there about Batel. Batel kind of enters into this thing and becomes kind of like part of the legend a little bit. But all of them, but all of them are. The scum's worked. All of them. But I think that's the thing that you really have to watch out for is like kind of like starting to like be like like you know like how a lot of the politics today like uses like adjective noun to like remind you of stuff like cheating whatever like whatever like lion Ted or whatever

Starting point is 00:49:37 lion Ted Cruz or whatever like I feel like the more you we like retailer so I was like but tell that you company should not be should not be trusted, or, like, you know, this weird thing that happened is a false flag. Like, it feels like it is, but it's better to look at it, I think, from a wider view as, like, activity on the internet around a console. Yeah, we'll talk about all the time on the podcast, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

Starting point is 00:50:01 like, the thing about tack talk to, and tackling all this stuff is the fine line between insane conspiracy and sticking to the evidence like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the We did a whole episode on the Majestic 12, which ended up be like two hours of a breakdown of how easy it is to slip into like dangerous consumers. 100%. Yeah, yeah. And unfortunately, if the UFO conspiracy is what it is, what it is proposed to be, it is probably the thing that sucks up all the air out of the room, that some of these weird things. It's like, why is that related? Probably has something to do with these things. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:49 Now, I'm not saying that's what's going on here, but obviously there is a number of ways that they are trying to hide money in all of this. Yes. And spending money on an operation or some vaccine or something like that. It does always weird politics. Seems like a great way to funnel a bunch of money

Starting point is 00:51:04 very quickly. Yeah, you're like being like, and you, it's like you can see it happen in Congress all the time, like in the open where they're like, Hey, like if you put this little bit in your fucking bill, I'll vote for it or whatever, right? It's like the same kind of deal. But let's go back to 1961 for a second,

Starting point is 00:51:19 back to Phil Corso, who is now waiting for his Simon at the Pentagon and General Arthur Trudeau, who's his new boss, is going to come in. He's going to tell about it. Basically, the vibe was that according to course, so the vibe at the time with the CIA and the KGB is that they're these sort of like weirdly independent operating agencies from the main government. They're strangely incestuous with each other. There's like spies on spies like in both,

Starting point is 00:51:45 like triple double agents, all kind of shit going on. They kind of work together in a never ending like Cold War board game type vibe way, where it's like they kind of need the war to keep going to like keep existing. And so they kind of like just manipulate everything by working together and spying on each other. And so in his world, the story is,

Starting point is 00:52:05 the KGB are fucking everywhere in the CIA. They're all over the White House, they're everywhere. And now that he's gonna be working in the field of research and development at the Department of Defense Foreign Technology Division, he was going to share something with Corso Trudeau was saying that he couldn't trust anyone else to see. So this is just from the definition

Starting point is 00:52:24 of the military industrial. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, as you're reading all of this, it's like, yeah, that's basically what's going on. That's why the story is so perfect. Because it kind of ties in with all that stuff, you know. Right.

Starting point is 00:52:37 I opened the cabinet and almost immediately my heart sank. I knew from looking at the shoe box of tangled wires and the strange cloth from the visor-like head piece and the little wafers that looked like ritz crackers only with broken edges and a colored dark and colored dark gray, and from an assortment of other items that I couldn't even relate to the shapes and sizes of things I was familiar with, that my life was headed for a big change. There were a few people floating around Washington right at that moment who even out of the most well-meaning intentions they could muster would have shipped this Roswell file over to Russia while padding President Kennedy on the

Starting point is 00:53:10 back and congratulating him for contributing to world peace just as there were people who would have cut true do's and my throat and left us right on the rug to bleed to death while they packed the file away. Either way, Trudeau didn't have the to quote me chapter in verse to explain that he was handing me one of the most important assignments I would ever receive from him. He was giving me the keys to the kingdom, but neither he nor I knew what in the world we could do with this stuff, short of keeping it out of the hands of the Russians at the very least that was a start.

Starting point is 00:53:39 Yeah. So you didn't even talk about the visors that when they went into the craft, there was no control panels. They found these visors. That when they went into the craft, there was no control panels. They found these visors. They're like headbands. People would put them on and it would like, right? You don't even activate all these points of their brain. And you don't even know this, but in the geneticist's post,

Starting point is 00:53:55 he breaks down the anatomy of these things from skin to nervous system to bone. And they're brain, their brains, if we believe him. It's really, instead of splitting to two, it's splitting to four, it's like four spheres to it or whatever. And in between them, there were like inserted nodes that they believe are the reason they can communicate

Starting point is 00:54:11 telepathically, it's not magic, it's technology. And it's what connects them to the craft that allows them to move it. Well, and that's the other deal with this, you know, we're talking about some bolts, these crafts have a consciousness, and maybe it is the consciousness of the occupants, like a fourth of their brain is just in the shape. That's kind of a very much.

Starting point is 00:54:28 That's one of the big ideas from the Course O'Book is like they kind of power the craft themselves. They kind of like are in sync with it where they can like become part of it or not, but like it's them that's like you kind of have to calibrate your ship like almost like avatar where it's like your your friend could be the king. One of the things in American Cosmic is that sometimes people we brought into work on the UFO and regardless of how much they wanna work on it, they can't work on it.

Starting point is 00:54:53 But then other people will just be able to interact with it and it resonates with them and they're like, I don't wanna do this, but like nobody else can do it. Some people walk into the ships and they just get sick instantaneously. Right. Like, what is that? Like, what do you mean they get sick instantaneously?

Starting point is 00:55:09 Well, that's the scary thing is like, you don't think about like the, you know, the actual story, War of the Worlds, like what happens? Like what's to say it's not backwards though. Right. But speaking of people that worked on aliens in secret, we're going to move into the next section, which is called Limimos The ballet Yeah, and unfortunately

Starting point is 00:55:29 Is that fairies? Deep breath, we're gonna talk about an anonymous 4chan post about episode 1,574 of the Joe Rogan experience Okay Which has Jacques Valle Yeah On board and this guy James Fox So James Fox is also doing incredible research.

Starting point is 00:55:46 Yeah, so you guys know what that's our job. Yeah, I'm in James Fox. They're you. He's Zop, John Flaz is like a super they're both kind of if you've if you've seen closing counters of a third kind. He's in there. The French guy is Jacques Vela. Literally. Yeah. Yeah, basically, like they're just like super famous UFO research. So here's a post for like not random like that. Lay is like. No, these guys are the most fucking yeah, James Fox made like yeah, he made like documentaries James Fox did to that are like really kind of important ones still to the community. I just want to clear that's on. Yeah, but deep breath. It is on it is on Joe Rogan, but this doesn't really have anything. No, but he got

Starting point is 00:56:22 the interview. So that's why yeah. Exactly. So here we go. That's that's foran, but this doesn't really have anything. No, but he got the interview. So that's why, yeah. Exactly. So, here we go. That's for you, Sin. So Joe Rogan, Jack Phalein, James Fox, were having an open and spirited conversation for hours. They have started talking about the 1952 Washington DC UFO incident, which is very well-documented UFO encounter that is featured in the documentary.

Starting point is 00:56:42 Yeah, the 1952 flyover happened multiple weekends. Like the fact that people don't talk about that anymore is crazy. It's just because people isn't one of the people. People are so worried about like the UFOs and U.S. being this fake nonsense. I just, it's like all this stuff just got flushed out of their brain. Well, and that's one of the things modern Congress is trying to do. Like we're only going to talk about the modern cases.

Starting point is 00:57:03 This has been kept secret for 90 years. And even up that well, a secret shit leaked all the time. All right, back to the, back to the reading I'm supposed to do. During the conversation, Valle reveals that a piece of metal was shot from one of the UFOs during an incident that was subsequently recovered. Valle, however, remains elusive about the current whereabouts of the piece of metal. James Fox nudges the conversations towards a memo featured in his documentary.

Starting point is 00:57:29 See talking about arts parts, is that what he's talking about? I think that's what I think he's talking about. Okay. The memo was written by a medal urges from a certain lab, which the lay later identified as the Battelle Memorial Institute. The lay also discusses a secret memo he discovered with while working with Jalen.

Starting point is 00:57:50 None of them heroes of the UFO world. Which is funny because he put Putin in the beginning and as soon as he left government, he was like, this is all real and we all need to be investigating this. Yeah, exactly. Scientific advisor for Project Blue Book. The memo addresses to an intelligence community director suggesting that the government should end the scientific panel overseeing UFO disclosure because we are not ready, which

Starting point is 00:58:10 is what they've said, right? That's what that's what 67 they said. That's what like that's always because now because I can't you have to finish this. I can memo intriguingly originated from Battell Memorial Institute, an organization renowned for its expertise and analysis of metal and its contact metals and its contact with the Air Force for UFO studies. Joe Rogan asked, did you examine the metal? Jack says, I shouldn't talk about that. He says that the memo is classified and he is never cleared to see it. So he shouldn't talk about it anymore.

Starting point is 00:58:42 It's wild because people are like, while I don't really talk about it, it's like because they're still gonna like, you know, retaliate. And that's also the point of this. You know, there's a lot of people like, Jacques Vallet could spill the beans, but here's what a bullet in his head. Yeah, like that. Or this is one is like,

Starting point is 00:58:56 you know, he still loves his fucking family or something. Right, he's probably got kids and stuff like that and would like them to like be able to scroll to. This probably isn't the best time to mention that I have the memo right here. Yeah. Oh, the memo. So this memo is from 1953.

Starting point is 00:59:10 This memo is commonly called the Pentacle Memorandum, which is I think marketing, but I'll leave this one up to you. To me, this doesn't really seem too indicative of anything crazy or secret, but I have a quote from it that Mathis will read for you guys now just to give you a gist of the type of stuff this memo says is basically the long and the short of it, but I mean you can go back and read it yourself too. It's from QFON. I have the whole thing. We expected that our analysis will show certain areas in the US have had an abnormally

Starting point is 00:59:36 higher number of reported incidents and of unidentified flying objects. Assuming that from our analysis, several definite areas productive of reports can be selected, we recommend that one or two of these areas be set up as experimental areas. This area or areas should have observation posts with complete visual skywatch, with radar and photographic coverage, plus all other instruments necessary are helpful in obtaining positive and reliable data on everything in the air over the area. A very complete record of the weather should be also be kept during the time of the experiment. Coverage should be so complete that any object in the air can be tracked and information

Starting point is 01:00:12 as to its altitude velocity, size, shape, color, time of day, etc. should be recorded. All balloon releases are known balloon paths, aircraft flights, and flights of rockets in the test area should be known to those in charge of the experiment. Many different types of aerial activity should be secretly imperposely scheduled within the area. We already know people are doing that privately nowadays in those areas. But also it's them saying that they're monitoring this death. It's not balloons because they know about the balloons.

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Starting point is 01:02:47 memo. I've got the memo. It's here. It's going to be in the show notes. But you know, they're saying that it kind of just implies that if they're having to say stuff like this that like why aren't they just like why why why would they be suggesting that it be other things besides like what is the thing that it is? The Wilson Davis memo in there as well. We talked about the Wilson Davis. Yeah, we have. That's in Congress. You can just Google that. That's on a gobsite right now. And and that memo actually does square nicely with this report that I have from physics today in 1971 of Botteil doing pretty much exactly what that memo just said. I'm going to click the link and I'm going to show it to you. I can't believe or maybe this institution

Starting point is 01:03:25 I can't believe that you that that that your research back ended you into all of this So geneticists posted that's like openly where he worked wow look at look at look at look at look at look look what's going on here There's like just tell the people you can see it's like literally like so there's like an ad on the far right for like Try to sell tubes and stuff like that. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Multi-calf tubes. I don't know what that is, but look, it's like literally like, there's more on UFOs. Table one is a categorization of UFO sighting reports,

Starting point is 01:03:51 astronomical aircraft balloon, other unknown insufficient info. And it's like a oddly pretty even split between all of it, astronomical, 21%, aircraft 21%, balloon 15%, other 10%, unknown 19% insufficient data. It's basically the people who made this memo basically doing exactly what they said in the memo.

Starting point is 01:04:14 But this it's so it's so crazy that this number keeps coming out. 5% of this stuff, we don't know what it is. We have no idea what it is. 1% right. Doesn't matter. Right. Maybe maybe like read this little paragraph yeah After 11 years of study of UFOs I am convinced not only that some UFOs are extraterrestrial vehicles

Starting point is 01:04:32 But that the problem with the acceptance of UFOs is a psychological one just as was the acceptance of the Copernican universe 300 years ago Antihelian particles don't upset our present notions about the universe or our own importance. UFOs do. For example, about 30 of the 100 reports discussed in the Condon report could not be identified. Right. This is exactly what you're just saying. And the Condon report is crazy because it says in the opening, okay, well, the conclusion is that we shouldn't investigate any of this more. But if you actually read the report, there's always done identified stuff. They're like, we have no idea of this more. But if you actually read the report, there's always done a identified stuff.

Starting point is 01:05:05 They're like, we have no idea what this is. It needs to be investigated more. And it's always being investigated secretly anyway. Right. Yeah, I mean, blue book was denied, and A-tip was denied, and it's all the same. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. So going back to Koso for a minute again,

Starting point is 01:05:19 checking back in with him in his book, do you guys know who the majestic 12 are? They were, no, but they were the, they were the individuals that probably Eisenhower is part of them as well. Correct? Well, Mathis, will you like kind of just give everybody like a little, I mean, I'm not, yeah, I can't really like the specific names are mix of science. Yeah, we don't have to be exact as that. High up important people that are there to deal with how we're going to handle disclosure and interaction with these. It's kind of like those guys from the ex files.

Starting point is 01:05:45 The MJ-12 documents themselves are extremely difficult to verify because some of it seems obviously not real or like slipped in. Stan Freeman thought they were very real. Yeah, and it went to platform over and over again. Yeah, and it's weird just because some of it is very clearly not necessarily real. But some of it is like checks out in the war. It's tough because the MJ-12 really quickly leads into racist shit. It is, it is. Well, I think there's a point where I think people kind of like took it and ran with it.

Starting point is 01:06:15 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Like, what if this is, but if this is again tied into the secrecy of World War Two, we got a bunch of racist shit. We took all of the fucking Nazi scientists, right? Like, they were still Nazis. Like, yeah, I think it is a little racist. Right. Well, I mean, okay, so according to the Corso version,

Starting point is 01:06:33 like the original, I don't know if he was the first person to talk about the Majestic 12, I don't think he was, but he really does go deep into the formation of, if you wanna go read his book, but according to him, the Majestic 12 were formed out of a necessity to both keep the UFOs a secret from domestic people and foreign people. Yeah, they failed both.

Starting point is 01:06:53 Right. Also to simultaneously prepare, or at least plan for, like, figure out a way to prepare everyone for eventually disclosing just information. One of the reasons I think people, I mean, at least for me feel that some of the MJ Quatt 12 documents aren't real because saying they're trying to prepare like keep it secret globally. That's a very egocentric look that America is a focus of the UFOs when it's very evenly distributed. It's more about among the world and there's like there's a graphic that's out there of like showing UFO heavily in the US.

Starting point is 01:07:24 That's not a real graphic. That's not a real graphic. That's not a real graphic. That's fake, but people think it's real. In the context of this, what it seems more like to me is that it's based around our shit that we're holding onto. Certainly. So it's like we don't want like, we don't talk with half of the world.

Starting point is 01:07:37 Right, but I mean, it's kind of military can't find out we have this Russia can't find out we have. But we also don't see the Chinese military and what they're running up against or what the Russians are probably we probably we probably do we have hella spies we have hella cameras like I was reading this book and he's saying like there's camera in the lander there was a camera in the landers that was like up in space and taking pictures of Russia as it's going over like we can see in but like the point of the Mageska 12 is not about like controlling the masses.

Starting point is 01:08:09 It's more about like protecting the actual tangible stuff that we actually have. Like, as always war and combat. I mean, that's, but isn't that what Tom DeLong started coming out and saying? I mean, that a bunch of guys, a being showed up during the middle of the Cold War and they didn't know what to do. And it just basically, they clamped it down and now they have this

Starting point is 01:08:30 10,000 pound gorilla that can, could be a civilization ending thing depending on which way the pendulum swings. Literally, yeah, there's so many rumors as to what they are and why it would ruin society. So rather than trying to deny it completely, their strategy adapted, right? And say aliens. Well, what they do is they say, okay, because they're not aliens. We get, we get all the stories they like filtered them, they have access to blue book. They skim the best evidence stuff off the top of blue book and send it up the ladder they also leak Some of the wildest shit that they think is real because so that it comes in from all angles even on the fridge the phenomenon

Starting point is 01:09:13 It's fucking weird and does crazy stuff and it also makes me wonder about again Here's the high-stranges of this, but this is where I'm at all of this What is the connection between these things and like dog men? Because when you hear stories and stuff like that, you hear like, oh, well, it's this area and the last week I saw you a phone. Now there's like, what are these things

Starting point is 01:09:33 playing on within our psyche? It's, yeah, it's, we've had this conversation as well, like the idea that a lot of UFO abductions, there's a lot of common threads, but they're all very bizarrely personalized in ways that make no sense. The things they see happening, they're dropping meat when we go to a kid who walks onto a UFO and he sees like,

Starting point is 01:09:50 this creature just doing like, butchery on like, non-meat meat. Because probably because that's like something weird, he doesn't understand that his parents do. But if you go back to UFO sightings even to the 20s and 30s, they're not saucers, they're like weird hot air balloons with men in bizarre spacesuits talk brokenly to you. Lots of stories. Almost like they're connecting to your consciousness as best they can to try and present themselves in a way that your brain goes, I think I can understand what I'm looking at. It's like trying to install something for windows on Linux.

Starting point is 01:10:18 And I would take it, let's go back even further. Oh, yeah. Why is there so many conversations about dragons in the past? Oh, sure. Lying thing in the air, burning some of the aliens, baby. Right. Right. Well, we're not going there today.

Starting point is 01:10:30 That's a whole, that's a deeper hole. So the vibe with Corso's Majestic 12 though is that they, for like 15 years, they existed, they, I think they still exist today, according to him, or at least till 1997, because he died in 1998. But apparently like over 15 years, they like lost personnel, some of the people in the majestic 12, like killed themselves. They started to like not work well together. If you've seen the ex files, you can kind of see how that might happen in a drama way. Those spoilers for me.

Starting point is 01:10:59 Well, I just those weird guys in the ex files, they're not the majestic 12. They kind of occupy the same. Yeah, of course, the cigarette guy and whatnot. They got kind of like clicky, they splintered into little groups, they started chasing their own tails and doing like counter espionage on each other in like a weird personal way like. Yeah, and that's true to life. We already know, we already know, I mean, especially when we talked about MK Ultra and the OSU, the OSU and all that shit, that the FBI and the CIA worked against each other constantly,

Starting point is 01:11:25 and they still do. And basically we're in the mid-60s here, go a little bit further, and now we're already into how put off and ingo swan and all the work they were doing with psychics spies, that they did. Like they did all of that. All of those documents came out of it.

Starting point is 01:11:40 They're not even secret. Yeah, there's a lot of them. They're not even secret. Yeah, and so the idea is that's going on. The CIA and the KGB are working together. There's nobody really on that big government side that's like doing anything. So according to Corso's book, which he wrote, which like grain assault, right? Him, it's just him and Trudeau. And they're like, we love America. We're going to try and do this right. We're going to try and like make something out of this this little

Starting point is 01:12:04 filing cabinet that we have. So they come up with the idea separate from the majestic 12 who exist and kind of immediately started eating themselves, right? They start disseminating this within the different aerospace companies. Yes, they go to all the companies that already have defense contracts with us so that it's not so noticeable. And they treat it just like anything else reverse engineering like when we take frances helicopter technology or whatever else we do. And we let the companies keep the patents to so that there's no like paper trail.

Starting point is 01:12:36 Yeah so here's a quote about that from math from athus from course we start the same way this desk is always started with reports. I'll write up reports on the alien technology just like it's an intelligence report on any piece of foreign technology. What I see, what I think the potential may be, where we might be able to develop, what company we should take it to, and what kind of contract we should draw. I'll line up everything in the nut file, everything from what's obvious to what I can't make heads or tails out of, and I'll go to scientists with clearance who we can trust, O-Birth, and Von Braun for advice. We'll line up our defense contractors, see which ones have ongoing development contracts

Starting point is 01:13:10 that allow us to feed development projects right to them. That way, the existing defense contract becomes the cover for what we're developing and nothing is ever out of the ordinary because we're never starting up anything that hasn't already been started up in a previous contract. And we'll let the companies apply for patents themselves. Nobody will ever know. We won't even tell the companies. We're working with where this technology comes from.

Starting point is 01:13:30 As far as the world wouldn't know, the history of the patent is the history of the invention. Yeah. So later with Corsos report on hand after he goes to these scientists and he looks at all this stuff, he and Trudeau set about forming like a little brain trust just like they said, like they get Oberth in in vahn brawner both like paperclip guys uh... who are the kind of new about uofos because of where they were at with the rocket stuff the not seats right remember those not these we were talking about well here's to confirm not

Starting point is 01:13:55 sees that we brought over operation paperclip actually i don't know for sure who over this i don't want to call the dude not to if he's not but vahn brawner is the guy who got us to the moon he's a guy But Von Braun is the guy who got us to the moon. He's the guy who had a nice little American life. He's a German Hungarian Romanian physicist. I understand that a lot of these scientists were forced to introduce a party. I'm sure they're not like mega.

Starting point is 01:14:14 Okay, but just so you know, Von Braun would kill, each week they would kill the slowest Jew at the factory and hang them out front. So Von Braun can go fuck himself. That being said, he got us to the moon. But that way you can still see him on plus. Yeah, thank you. But so that's what they do. They bring in these scientists who are the prerequisite is that you're not blowing their minds and telling them aliens are real. It's people who already maybe know mental

Starting point is 01:14:40 ization as we say. Right. So they act as consultants in various different fields of expertise based on the possible contracted research projects. Of course, we're trying to start based on various pieces of tech, like the night vision goggles, whatever else. And the various challenges, NASA and the military we're facing with regard to next gen defense and space exploration and a combo of those two things,

Starting point is 01:15:02 like space defense. You know, of know, uh, of course, it would then go around and jumpstart all these programs himself. He wouldn't be in military outfits. He would visit the bases and playing clothes, drop off like, hey, here's the visor. Here's a microchip from the aliens because really, it all fit in a filing cap and all the stuff that he had to give out to these people. Um, and then vanish into a back, like just kind of never have he, there's like a scene in the book where he's like,

Starting point is 01:15:26 it's a pleasure, never to have met you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that type of thing. And according to course, so this arrangement was responsible for the development. Tons of stuff that we use as part of modern day life. Do you have the list of things you have? Do you have the list of things?

Starting point is 01:15:38 Okay. I have a quick list of things that were covered directly. And this means this and all the stuff that came after it is derivative alien text. So night vision, transistors, microcircuitry, microwaves, lasers, fiber optics, supertenacity fibers, depleted uranium and visible artillery shell, irradiated food, portable automics, and the particle piece that jump from we went into World War II with tube technology and came out of it with micro trips to the jet. Yeah, right. Some of it the Nazis had and the best that he can say about that is like, well, maybe the Nazis had something too. I don't know, but basically that says that Italy

Starting point is 01:16:20 found one in 33. And then there's all the talk about the the the bell or whatever they called it. Is it the same craft? I don't know. The weird like Glock and whatever it's called. Well, I don't know. I mean, I don't know where it ties in. I don't know. Do we tile Admiral Bird into all of this as well? I mean, there's more Nazi stuff for you there. There's whatever that one. That's the thing is like, well, but the basic idea is there were some scientists that maybe seem to have a similar idea to what like There was like the flying wing which was like very similar to some of the craft that they see. We do know Nazis were trying to make saucer shaped Yeah, that's that's fact

Starting point is 01:16:54 But he he's like I don't really know what they had but the point is in 1947 when we got all this extra Stuff it sat in a filing cannon for about 15 years Well, we were trying to figure out what the fuck to do with them. And Jessica 12, and then we were hiding also from the CIA and the KGB. And then we like came up with this plan. And then once we started doing this pretty much immediately, you should just started blasting off at high speeds. Right? So here is a, on the flip side of that,

Starting point is 01:17:22 a quote from a geek wire puff piece on Betel for a more public-approved friendly version of what the company kind of sells themselves as today. And that's going to be for Centel. And what years is this from? This is from like around now. Betel is an innovative powerhouse. Since it was founded in Columbus in 1923, a nonprofit research organization has grown to 5.2 billion organization with 22,000 employees at 130 locations around the world. That's the military industrial complex everybody. That's a lot of jobs right there, including seven laboratories. It runs for the US Department of Energy, BingBong, and Homeland Security.

Starting point is 01:18:03 One of these specific Northwest National Labor laboratories is in Richmond, Washington. But tell engineers are scientists responsible for astounding array of technological advances, which is a, I guess a page you can click on, including a copy machine, cruise control, the compact disk, dimples on golf balls and the barcode. All of those things would be laser technology that they were working on then, right? Like that's the connection there. Exactly. Uh, yet those achievements haven't made Patel a household name. Right. They pay a lot of money. Yeah. That's the bottom of the bread. That's literally what they say.

Starting point is 01:18:38 What the, uh, the anatomy is partially anonymity. The anonymity is partially the result of the nature of its work. Government agencies and companies contact the Patel to conduct sensitive and classified reaches. Plus, Patel has historically had an adversion to advertising itself promotion, which makes sense that his partners are largely pay to stay in the background. Some combination of those things have led to, had led us to be quite a company, said Patel CEO Jeff Wordsworth. Wadsworth?

Starting point is 01:19:13 That all wadsworth. He said a quiet company. He said it led us to be a quiet company, is how we describe, that's how they describe themselves. This is how all of this exists, and it's funny because look at the people that are calling out to you now. It's not the only one.

Starting point is 01:19:25 Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, all part of it. EG&G, which is one that doesn't get all right. It's the other one. That's where the Wilson Davis memo happened in the parking lot. Nobody can know. Nobody can know. Well, it makes me think of Gary Nolan. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:19:37 Who's a guy who's coming forward? It's like, yeah, I've looked at this stuff because he's had existing government contracts. Yep. And that leads us basically right to where we are today. And for the real sort of freestyle mix up discussion I wanted to have now where I just kind of let you guys yell at each other for the rest of the time. Well, you've, you've, you have presented the audience with such a great through absolutely because I'm going to let you know I'm in Oz now because now I'm talking about consciousness with people

Starting point is 01:20:06 And what are these things connection with the dead like I'm on wittly streamer level and unfortunately Most people aren't there and I don't expect I don't expect your audience to be there But the reality of these things are true. So now let's get to the good stuff Who are they where are they from Where are they from? What do they want with us? What is their connection to us? Why have we been seeing these things since biblical times? Exactly. Which brings us directly to the Patreon, the four channel of the country. The channel of the country. The channel of the country. The channel of the country. The channel of the country. The channel

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Starting point is 01:20:53 because as I was reading it, I was like, man, this guy's all fake and I was like, hold on. Let's just take this with a grain of salt and say this guy's telling it. It's a really sad story. It's a really boring story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking about the crash retrieval guy

Starting point is 01:21:05 who's dying of cancer. Oh, is he dying of cancer? Yeah. And he talks about like, there was another team that would take care of the bodies and then we would come in, but they always shit on them because they're like, you're the cleanup crew.

Starting point is 01:21:14 And he was in like, a we, like, they would get coffee in this one weird room, which sounds like control or something like that. So like, yeah, okay, yeah, that got. Yeah, so basically, if you don't know what this is, this has been, these two posts have been basically dominating the like, yeah, okay, yeah, that got. Yeah. So basically, if you don't know what this is, this has been, these two posts have been basically dominating the like UFO, UAP and H E E, B E, whatever you want to call them. It's been dominating.

Starting point is 01:21:33 E E 90 terms, the old terms for the N API. People are like sending me, people are sending me these links over and over. Like, have you read, have you read this? Have you seen this? And basically two legendary posts showed up earlier this year. One is from April, one is from July. One from 4chan, then next one from Reddit. Yeah. The one on 4chan is the one you guys are just talking about. Supposedly came from an anonymous engineer and researcher with terminal cancer, felt like sharing classified secrets

Starting point is 01:21:58 with the world because we all have a right to know. Here is Centel with the little intro from that guy. We're going to read just like the little first sentence of that post right now. So that's here. Intimid knowledge of what the US currently knows about UFOs minus the last two years. UFOs are primarily unmanaged drones, which is why we don't find the bodies anymore. That was more in the 40s and 50s. UFOs are built to spec each time they're deployed. Is this the guy who talks about the the thing in the Bermuda Triangle. UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean. Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for

Starting point is 01:22:35 days when approached aggressively. You mean like the Buramuda Triangle? US believes the facility has been active on Earth for at least a hundred years or much longer, which is a weird number because John Mack said that breeding program was a hundred years old. By our way, questions, I'll answer what I can and you won't be disappointed. So that's the first post.

Starting point is 01:22:59 It's a lot about vehicles and it has some pretty crazy like larger mythology implications to. Well, that's, but again, Tom DeLonke in 2016 and people said, this is nonsense. And then all of this credible evidence said he was having the conversations with the people. And what he's talking about is Greek God.

Starting point is 01:23:18 Oh, yeah. I think Tom DeLonke was necessary. I also think he's probably partially, and I don't mean this in a drogatory way, but a useful idiot. I think he's not that he's stupid, but the people much like a lot of the time are probably feeding him truth mixed with fiction or lies. Hillary and Podesto, we're gonna use this rock star to be part of their disclosure and it all went coupling because this guy named Trump won.

Starting point is 01:23:39 Yeah, it's weird. I mean, okay, so that's the first one. The July one was on Reddit. It was a fairly similar concept minus the terminal disease angle, I think. No, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, genetics and biology, then spaceships. There's plenty of comments on the thread from other biologists and geneticists that are, they seem to imply that regardless of whether like the stuff that could be fictional is true, he is at least somebody who absolutely is an expert in the field. Is he confirming the abduction phenomenon or no? No, no, he's not. So he's, he had a very specific job and yeah, to give content a little more context, like, geneticists not only came in to be like,

Starting point is 01:24:28 oh, he's talking truth, they grilled him first. They were asking him questions and he answered them instantly with answers that were scientifically accurate to not with genetic. So they said, if he's larping, if he's making it up, the dude should write fiction. He should write fiction.

Starting point is 01:24:42 And that right there, that explanation is why people dislike Bob Lizar. Because Bob Lizar doesn't, can't talk about the math with people. He's like a fucking beer drink and dude. Yeah, yeah. But okay, this is that guy's interest. So, oh, yeah, so I'll give context to this as well,

Starting point is 01:24:56 but I'll, let me read this first. It seems like all my comments are being deleted, they weren't, I'll get to that a second. I will post answers at the end of the message. From the late 2000s to mid-2010s, I worked as a molecular biologist for a national security contractor in a program to study exo-biospheric organisms, EVOs. The name of the program was to elucidate the genome and proteome basis of these organisms. Although the study of OBCs has been going on for decades and other programs, the new

Starting point is 01:25:22 high-throughput DNA sequencing technology to the late 90s unblocked stagnant research in this area. They put this shit on a shelf, they don't know what to do with it. Technology comes there and they're like, oh, fuck, we can read its genome now. Yep, yep. Since then, several breakthroughs have led to significant advances in our understanding of the genome and proteome

Starting point is 01:25:39 of these beings. What we've learned so far has enabled us to outline some disconcerting perspectives about our place in this universe. Briefly, we've discovered that the EBOG-NOM is a chimera of genomes from our biosphere and from an unknown one. They are artificial, ephemeral, and disposable organisms created for a purpose that are partially,

Starting point is 01:25:57 that's still partially eludes us. So grays are basically half-biotic, half-cybernetic in a way. I'll be substantiating my statements after a brief introduction. What he meant by his comments being deleted and the mods were coming in to try and figure it out. He was shadow banned on the back end and then none of the mods, then all the mods were logged in. We're doing it and they were trying to figure it out.

Starting point is 01:26:14 Nine hours later, the mods came in and they were like, I don't know what happened, but it's count was deleted. And all we can tell is was done not by him, not by us. Somebody above us in the admin section deleted him. It's not a lot to take in. count was deleted and all we can tell is was done not by him, not by us. Somebody above us in the admin section deleted him. Uh, it's not a lot to take in, but it's so interesting. It is when you read the news. Well, it's interesting because here we have individuals, the moderators of this being like, this isn't something we did.

Starting point is 01:26:40 And most people will put who that, but it's like, that's, this is the secrecy behind all of this, right? Like, that is that other entity that reaches out. Yeah, we know reddit has been, you know, not just in the UFO world, but in general, like, there's people in the intelligence communities that obviously troll the area to look for if anybody's fucking spill in secrets.

Starting point is 01:26:58 I mean, the dude who's 21 who spilled it on Discord, like, but even though he was an idiot, he got himself caught. Right, but it's so interesting because it's like those are the individuals that would have these things. Did you see that movie about the guy who talked about, it's a documentary, he talked about being in a sexual relationship with these beings? Oh, yeah, the guy who paints them? Yeah, we talked about, he was given a plastic bag that had a gray inside of it, and it was, he was like, please take this out of my hand. Yeah, and that also makes sense as well

Starting point is 01:27:27 because back to that war of the world's idea, you would need to have a genetic makeup to be able to be on this earth. So maybe that being that was in Virginia wasn't part of this earth, like was a thing from another place? So the thing with the Reddit post, particularly is the man goes into their biology

Starting point is 01:27:44 from muskletcher, no, like so, you know how they always smell like sulfur and they smell weird. The reason is if we believe this to be true and you take again take with the grain of soda. So to synthesize their own food? No, they have a mouth but they don't have like teeth, they don't have vocal cords when they make noise, it's a vibration of their lungs. Oh, also really quick, really quick. We're going to put both of these links into the show notes for this show. Yeah. so that you guys while you're listening to this if you want to whip out your phone and Look over these two very very long posts and also like trigger warning on the on the on the forechan bit because there are some Fuck yeah guys forechan still shitty, okay, so like just be careful on there, okay? So yeah, so basically what he says is they have no

Starting point is 01:28:23 Generals they don't have like an ass, they don't have an penis or a vagina. What they do to excrete their waist is through the pores of their skin. It kind of secretes to the millions and millions of pores and that gives a stench of like sulfur because they have a high copper intake. Kind of what's what is in the course of book too. Well, but yeah, but I'm also thinking about like big foot right now, because doesn't big foot. Also have a weird smell. Well, you know, we're looking at,

Starting point is 01:28:48 we're talking about you have a flat. And you know, we're looking at also weird appearances, which is the idea of like maybe these things are ripping open consciousness where like these things can just kind of fall out of them. But that tracks with me because the interdimensionality of all of this, because of the connection to you to nuclear power and wherever we drop these bombs

Starting point is 01:29:08 We have no idea what's happening on a molecular level at other places. No, I have the same exact thought Yeah, you know if we fuck up who will and some other dimension right and Horton here's a who and we don't know where Consciousness is and we don't know where consciousness is located Okay, let me so well that Okay, so let me give you, I'm gonna go on my long little thing here, I wanna hear your thoughts on this. But before I do that, last bits of like important aspects of like these creatures

Starting point is 01:29:35 in terms of like their physicality, their gray skin is not gray skin, and it's a reason it looks so slimy or like reflective, because it's a biofilm that they wear over their skin. Which has been there since Corso, too. Yeah, and so under there, they're pale white. They have no imperfections on their body, minus where the elbows bend and like the knees bend.

Starting point is 01:29:53 And their eyes look like human eyes, but they're three times as big. They're just like really fucking huge. And the black is again, a biofilm that peels off. It protects, they think it protects them maybe from like our atmosphere or, or who fucking knows, but it's also waterproof. To the point where it rolls off,

Starting point is 01:30:09 it will ducks back. So he goes in, again, we'll go through this more, but he goes in great detail of the sequencing of the genome. When he says it's a chimera mix, he says, yeah, the biosphere is of earth animals, and the other biosphere we don't understand of their genetics. But if that's true, then that would,

Starting point is 01:30:28 and this is my theory, of course. It's like not come from this post. That explains animal mutilation, because if they're self-replicating little drones, and they need to create that genetic DNA to create more of them, and half of it's just DNA from animals on earth, just fucking scoop it out from wherever you can get it,

Starting point is 01:30:44 and now you can make more. And mind you, that's also the weirdness of all of this. UFOs are real, so now I then need to look at all of these other things. Yes, and see what the animal mutilation phenomenon is very real. That's the thing. Yeah, that is super cool. So it gets into in his book like about the tech because the back half of the book is like very much not a story and it's more just like here's the history of lasers

Starting point is 01:31:11 like including the alien part right and according to him like the they were calling them light beams that were so focused that you couldn't see them till they hit a target that's all they were seeing and they're saying these things could cut so perfectly. And that they were the actual explanation for these light beam that happens. And then all of a sudden the thing is just like, shlurped out. Like according to them, according to course,

Starting point is 01:31:37 you mean like the rocks from Egypt? Yeah, like according to course. So the cattle mutilation lasers are directly related to all laser technology on it. Yeah, that makes sense to me. So the thing I want to rant about before we talk about like their biology is when he was saying, when he gets brought in,

Starting point is 01:31:53 you get debriefed and you get a little bit of info basically from the different research areas of where this thing is happening. And one interesting one was, one of the people they have hired, he was like interviewing or interrogating, he's not sure how, but he was in contact with one of the people they have hired. He was like interviewing or interrogating. He's not sure how, but he was in contact with one of these beings. And they're trying to figure out why they're here.

Starting point is 01:32:10 And as far as, and he even says in this post, like, you're gonna take this with the grain of salt. I'm not sure I even believe it. Do you have it right here, Alex? So let me read this. EBOs believe that the soul is not an extension of the individual, but rather a fundamental characteristic of nature that expresses itself as a field, not unlike gravity. In the presence of life, this field

Starting point is 01:32:29 acquires complexity, resulting in negative entropy if that makes sense, and for that people who may not know what that means, it's almost like a positive feedback loop. Entropy is the decaying in death of something, so negative entropy would be just the opposite of that. This gain in complexity is directly correlated with the concentration of living organisms in a given location. With time and with the right conditions, life in term becomes more complex until the appearance of sentient life. So consciousness pops up everywhere. If the conditions are right and in life is allowed to go long enough where it happens. After reaching this threshold, the field begins to express itself through these sentient life forms,

Starting point is 01:33:05 forming what we would call the soul. Through their life experiences, sentient beings will in turn influence the field in a sort of positive feedback loop. Karma. Eh, in a way, this is in turn further accelerates the complexity of the field, and eventually when the field reaches a critical mass, which is in quotes, there will be a sort of apotheosis event. It's not clear what this means in practical terms. Yeah, yeah, but this quest for apotheosis

Starting point is 01:33:32 seems to be what the EBO's main motivation is. You know about EBO Galleon? Oh, I love it. I love EBO Galleon. I watched that in high school and ruined me. The author of the document added his reflections and interpretations as an appendix. He specified that for them, the soul field is not a belief but an obvious truth.

Starting point is 01:33:48 He also argues that the soul loses its individuality after death, but that memory and experience persist as part of the field. This fact would influence the philosophy and culture of these EBOs, resulting in a society that doesn't fear death, but which places no importance or reverence on individuality. This belief compels them to seed life, shape it, nurture it, monitor it, and influence it for the ultimate purpose of creating this apotheosis. Paradoxically, they have little or no respect for individuals while being,

Starting point is 01:34:17 which thinks total sense if we're believing all this to be true. Right, we are the, we are cattle. Literally, and like we are part of something so much bigger that if we die, it's just going back into the field anyway, and it makes it so interesting because Much like ants make an ant colony and bees what is human consciousness building? What is all this technology? What is it all leading? We have no idea and then he goes out to say like please be advised that I'm speaking from memory of something I read more than 10 years ago So take the following with a grain of salt also Also, I'm not a philosopher or an artist,

Starting point is 01:34:45 so please excuse my struggle to properly formulate the concepts in my dry terminology. Finally, note that this information comes from a document whose author was directly interacting with an EBO. It is not specified whether it was an ambassador, a crash survivor, or a prisoner. This means the means of communication

Starting point is 01:35:00 were also not specified. That means that we also have all three of those. Yeah. Sometimes they're victims and we help them. Sometimes we are prisoners because we have means of taking them down and sometimes they send and basseter. Yes, at the very end, he says where he worked. But he says,

Starting point is 01:35:19 National Biomits Institute. He says they had four bodies, but not in a way you would imagine where they were perfectly preserved He goes they looked like what you would imagine a motorcycle accident looks like like just gnarled destroyed remnants of what their bodies were and that's What the that's what he was working on when trying to figure out the seat like even Gallen where they got that giant monster with a fucking Spirit Fucking yeah exactly So go to the part where it talks about their bodies, and we can just talk a little bit about the part.

Starting point is 01:35:45 Yeah, yeah. But this is part of this transformation and the weirdness of all of this. You know, I was, I mean, I was an atheist at like 11. You know what I mean? And to hear about these things, but mind you, what we're talking about is the scientific proof of the soul.

Starting point is 01:36:04 What we're talking about is what occultists talk about energy and then it can be right. It doesn't go anywhere. And he doesn't have evidence of it, just notes of somebody who talked to an EBO and he doesn't know how that was conversation even happened. So it's like there's no evidence it's hearsay. What he says he's looked at was this stuff.

Starting point is 01:36:20 And there's then all the people that have channeled beings and they had this is what they told them. Yeah, but see that stuff is like for people and I understand it's not enough evidence for them. It could be just them lying or whatever and there are people who go to like, mass and start speaking tongues and is that really God talking through them

Starting point is 01:36:36 or is that just them falling into that? Totally heard. But this stuff is like what he says he worked with. So he's like morphologically, they're very similar to the grays that we understand from folklore, about 150 centimeters in height, two arms, two legs ahead, but there's notable differences. The gray skin that is often described in folklore is in fact a biosynthetic film,

Starting point is 01:36:53 which likely serves to protect the EBO from hostile environment. It doesn't provide effective protection against temperature changes, but it does offer adequate protection against the passage of liquids. It's possible that this film confers other advantages, but my knowledge on the subject is limited. Under the gray film, the epidermis is rather white, and the texture is very regular without any hair. We do not see any defect other than the folds near the joints. It's described as greasy in one report, but that's not something I've observed. The same report states that a strong lingering smell of burnt hair in ammonia

Starting point is 01:37:23 is present when the film is removed. There are a lot of those pores on the skin crossing from the epidermis to a gland in the hypodermis. These glands and pores are the terminal part of the excretory pseudo-ifrus system, which could explain the previously mentioned smell. Yeah, he has a shit in his skin. It's so funny when we're talking about their uniforms, you know, in the 50s, they would have these like outfits. Like, all right, 50 years later, the outfits are now skin tight.

Starting point is 01:37:50 Yeah, right, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's better. And they like get rid of them and they throw them away. And it's like, they maybe this is where they got a photo. You know what else is kind of interesting is that one of the technologies, I was reading about this. I don't remember where. It was, I think it might have been on,

Starting point is 01:38:03 but like that same geek wire article about the technology that was originally used. I think in that same article, it was like, we're a quiet company. He was talking about how the tech that when you have to go through the big metal detector in the middle at the airport, where you got to put your arms up and you can like see like anything on your body, that those were originally invented to create a pair of jeans that you could put on and not get off Very weird, but I mean just thinking about this skin that you're talking about this like Biosynthetic film this biosynthetic skin that like is perfectly around your body Right just and the fact that Batel has a machine that can make jeans that fit your body so snugly

Starting point is 01:38:45 that you can't get them off. Yeah, the military would love that. Yeah, here's some, here's some jeans you never have to take them off. You can piss and shit all you want into. And we knew about the jean machine before we knew about the alien skin from this. You killed each other. I mean, I can't get to my dick. I want to just fuck these things.

Starting point is 01:39:02 I mean, I would granted it's from also like straight course, though, but, you know, it is still... Yeah. So the re- let's get the brain part. The brain is tetrasphoric, i.e. composed of four major sections. The sections are separated by a transverse and longitudinal fissures and are connected to the central lobe, which acts as a brainstem and cerebellum. The volume of the brain is around 20% superior to that of a man of the same height. It has a much more pronounced level of gyrophication, the volume of the brain is around 20% superior to that of a man of the same height. It has a much more pronounced level of gyrophication than an average human.

Starting point is 01:39:31 Moreover, the ratio of glial cells to neurons is also slightly higher than humans. It is important to mention the presence of nodules on the central lobe. Histological analysis of these structures reveals a kind of intricate biological circuitry. It is speculated that these nodules are essential to interact with their technology, consequently determining the proteum of these structures is an absolute priority for the program. So you know, they have these nodes in their brains that it might be what is allowing them to control the ships. And it also goes back to what you were saying about those headbands.

Starting point is 01:40:03 Because one thing I thought that was interesting in 1997 was that Corso was like, that already exists in helicopters to a point now. Right, with the guns inside of the helmets and stuff like that. Yeah, exactly. What we're talking about here are these grays, and we're talking about them as this half biological, half technological thing. Does he talk about any of the other litmus of beings that people talk about? No.

Starting point is 01:40:31 Weird mantises, the blue, the ones that look, the ones that look like Germans, like any of that stuff. He was very much only studying this. Like again, he's like, you know, it's everybody broken into little groups. He's a one job. Yeah. He was there specifically to try and figure out their genome. But to be fair though, wouldn't you send drone people?

Starting point is 01:40:51 Wouldn't right? Well, that's like, we've always been and acted even in like the 50s. These like semi, like just doing what I'm told to do, really bad at figuring out like the zipper on Betty, whites, like dress, weird shit. They've always seemed like sort of like automatic, but they're still obviously some sort of some sort of alive. And what he says is their DNA, unlike human DNA, which is 99% junk because it's just evolutionary dead ends over the course of millions of years.

Starting point is 01:41:17 These guys have no evolutionary dead ends. Not only that, it's so simple, it's only four pieces and it's like perfect. No way would nature create something so perfect so simply. But it also means that they are like built to be created by something. But there are, yeah, they're like your homebrew PC. They just add the better things to it. Yeah, yeah, it's a very, very simple creature in a lot of ways. But who's making them?

Starting point is 01:41:40 And also they make us. So we will talk about that. Because that's the thing that I feel like. Well, So we will talk about that. Because that's the thing that I feel like. Well, he doesn't talk about it. He doesn't know if they were making us or not. But if these things are here to study the apotheosis of whatever this is, I would imagine that they probably have this little study going

Starting point is 01:41:59 more than just on earth for sure. Like wherever it is and we're not special, maybe we nuke ourselves out of existence before we can achieve it. And we're not special maybe we nuke ourselves out of existence before we can achieve it And we're one of their failed experiments who fucking knows so It says the presence of TPR which is some part of the it says TPR serves as a unique address not only for Numerological identifying of a gene but also for identifying its chromosomal location So it's like the way they locate things once again the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure

Starting point is 01:42:24 But only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale and if you think about today in 2023 They locate things. Once again, the presence of TPR cannot be explained by evolutionary pressure, but only by genetic engineering on a genomic scale. And if you think about today in 2023, we're just cracking open the door to genetic engineering with CRISPR stuff. That's Tri-Pelendromic Region. That's like a... TPR stands for Tri-Pelendromic Region, which means the genome reads the same both ways. TPR opens the door to several possibilities.

Starting point is 01:42:43 One of them suggests that EBO geneticists can insert or remove a gene from a cell in a way that is far more targeted and efficient than our technology currently allows. No proteins have been identified in the EBO genome that interacts with TPR. Rather, we believe that these proteins are exclusively targeted by external genetic engineering tools probably used at the zygotic stage of embryotic development. The nature of these tools is unclear, but we definitely don't have anything like them. The probable absence of these proteins from the genome is a further indication of their artificiality.

Starting point is 01:43:15 Given the high probability of artificiality of their genome and the apparent ease of modifying it with biomolecular tools, it's not out of the question that there could be polymorphism between individuals depending on their role and function, so they're built to spec like the ships. In other words, an individual could be genetically designed to have characteristics that give it an advantage in performing a given task, like soldier ants and worker ants in an ant hill. Note that these previous statements are speculation, to my knowledge, only one individual genome

Starting point is 01:43:42 has been sequenced, I can't make a definitive statement on genetic variation between individuals. It's also interesting and kind of makes sense why now looking at this, that these people always say that they're in like reverse engineering rather than like just biology, because it's like, this isn't like a living creature in the way that we were made from.

Starting point is 01:44:02 It's possible they're being created by AI. Exactly. It also makes me wonder if that's why Kristen Gillibrand keeps saying things like, oh, the guy Kirkpatrick, he's a good man, because he said categorically, nope, this isn't him from space, this ain't. You know, it's funny about him. He's a good guy. He's a good man, because he said categorically, nope, this isn't him from space, this ain't.

Starting point is 01:44:21 You know, it's funny about him. He's a good guy. He's a good man, because he said categorically, nope, this isn't him from space, this ain't. You know, it's funny about him from space, but I wonder if like really what he's talking about is like, yeah, this ain't from there. It's from here. You know, it's something I learned and I didn't pick up on initially. When Kirkpatrick was doing his hearings, he was not sworn in. He was not sworn in.

Starting point is 01:44:33 We know. But Grush was. Yep. Yep. And they were really weird. But Corbilla to fight for them to be that. And there were supposed to be three more witnesses that day. Yes, there were supposed to be three more and they didn't get the skiff.

Starting point is 01:44:44 They didn't get any of the stuff that they were making. Yeah, they put it in the first skip immediately after that. And they got denied. And there was another congressman who stepped out and she's like, no more hearings. He said, no more, period. And guess where he's huge amount of money comes from. Oh, hi, oh, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:58 That's what Colt Hart said that if the thing doesn't go through with this Schumer bill, that Schumer bill that's modeled after the JFK disclosure bill, by the way. Right, that this all goes back, that this never comes. This just goes away forever. I mean, at that point, then I'm like, at what point does somebody need to just be the bigger person and step forward with the evidence and ruin their life? Because like, somebody will do it and he'll be 20, you know, he's going to be some 22

Starting point is 01:45:20 year old. You know what I mean? It's going to be sad, but I mean, yeah, that's the only way it'll happen. He goes on to talk about like really, really high genetic stuff that makes no sense to me. But those smart people on Reddit that actually know about it, they know about it. I'm gonna read a little bit of it so you maybe there's somebody out there who knows. He goes, I've talked about intergenetic regions now briefly discussed introgenic sequences, briefly because there's not a lot less to say, despite its obvious importance.

Starting point is 01:45:46 Much like ours, their genes have silencers, enhancers, promoters, 5 UTRs, exons, introns, 3 UTRs, etc. There are many genes analogous to ours, which is not surprising given the compatibility of our cellular machinery. What's disturbing is that some genes correspond directly nucleotide by nucleotide with known human genes or even some animal genes. For these genes, there doesn't seem to be any artificial refinement, but rather a crude copying and pasting. Why they do it is nebulous and still a subject to conjecture. There are also many genes which are not found in our

Starting point is 01:46:20 biosphere whose role has not been identified. Finding the purpose of these novel genes is one of the aims of the program. I'd like to note before going any further that this is, that this heterogeneity of genes of known and unknown origin is an undeniable proof of the artificiality of EBO. I just keep thinking about it, Chen Aliens. I keep thinking, I keep thinking like the L, right? I watched that video of Graham Hancock. He talked to the guy who I keep thinking like the right. I watched that video of Graham Hancock. He talked to the guy who translated the Bible for the Pope and he was like, Oh, Elohim are beings from are literally space beings.

Starting point is 01:46:54 Right. And it's like, it is like, it is like the Nazarene convention or whatever is a call to the thing. They all came together and had to agree on a translation of the Bible that would go to the public. So even when the first Bible was published by the Nazarene, I don't know what thing is a council. It was still edited and translated in a way they thought would be best for the public. And then you have the King James version, there's like four or five different Bible versions out there. I just keep thinking about these chimeras with their multiple DNAs and some

Starting point is 01:47:26 some being called Elohim being like these guys are bad. You can't be friends with these guys. You got to do this on your own. I'll help you. Follow me, mister. I mean, I don't want to get too Heady about it, but I feel like I've been practicing to give this speech all weekend. We went to Indy Popcorn this weekend.

Starting point is 01:47:43 And I'm just saying this in the mirror. You've been saying this to yourself a whole bunch, just like I just chumps like mugshot, practicing the earth. We've just been talking about aliens, we've just been talking about aliens a lot because everybody's there to talk to us about the show that we do, right? But basically, the thing that I'm thinking about

Starting point is 01:47:57 with this stuff, about this idea of these little sort of built-to-specs, sort of half AI, half biological, whatever it is they are. Things right. I was using the analogy of a comic book, right? I think it's kind of a good analogy if we're thinking about something from outside of our plane or outside of our, we're not going to say that. It's not a good science and I want to be clear too.

Starting point is 01:48:17 Like this is all happening with the idea of the soft kind of idea of like they're not aliens, they're NHI, they might be from something else. And I talked about this as you you know, at Indie Popcon, the past two to three years in the breakthroughs of quantum mechanics alone that earn Nobel prizes, the proof that reality isn't locally realized we understand everything everywhere all at once. Yeah, accurate. You know, in a very like reductive way. I mean, yeah.

Starting point is 01:48:39 But like, being able to vibrate a 16 microgram size of sapphire into quantum superposition for the first time. So we created a black hole the size of an atom for a millisecond, which means we can pierce the fabric of space time. Like all that stuff, that's, you know, feeds into, you know, that's really how strange this woo-woo-woo, but it might just be another aspect of science and reality that is just, we don't understand.

Starting point is 01:49:03 And I definitely stole this from Grant Morrison, who's one of my favorite. Not necessarily. But they really are like quite an interesting individual. And they do a lot of researching and reading and just talking about this kind of stuff, but kind of through a more spiritual lens. But like if you think about dimensions,

Starting point is 01:49:24 comic books are in the second dimension, right? We're three dimensional beings. We can look at the comic book, we can like outside of the world of the comic book, sort of like we have the whole world of the comic book in our hands and encapsulate it. I mean, we can freely manipulate. We can go see the beginning of the story. We can go see the middle of the story at any time. And because of our, you know, three-dimensional sort of nature, we can also, we can't walk, we can't, I can't

Starting point is 01:49:51 talk to Superman with my three-dimensional body, but I can draw myself talking to Superman. It's an interesting way to work. And it works because I use a drawing to talk to another drawing, right? So if you, if I'm a human or if I'm a, if we're the comic book and there's out there, the aliens reading us and they are experienced reality outside of our, well, they can, they can manipulate or move through the fabric of space and time because we know it's the same thing. So maybe these sort of, because they can't come in here, maybe there, these are kind of like their drawn comic book characters in our world where it's almost like a diving suit.

Starting point is 01:50:26 For not even their consciousness, but like their will. The fun thought experiment. The interdimensionality part of it, I think, speaks to where science is going. There's also a weird time travel element to all of this that I do wonder what is its connection. Time travel, there's a... Time travel, there's a... ...destroying and destroying element well because we find our DNA in there so like you know what I mean are we coming is this humanity coming back because these beings keep telling us stop fucking with new what if I mean but here's another one that's I find almost more real more realistic instead of like E.T.s from another world

Starting point is 01:51:00 what if they're just from earth like what if they're terrestrial and they lived or survived through? For the ultra terrestrial. Yeah, they've just lined up the water. I'm a book is right there on the shelf, and that's on Earth too. The planet is a majority water. We're the apes that inhabit the small piece of the world

Starting point is 01:51:16 that isn't water. And we started, and I'm wondering, has he talked about blowing each other up? He talked about the genes that we have in connection, and we know that we have many of those aquatic mammal genes and stuff like that. We don't know where that is. It's interesting to think, maybe they are a peaceful fucking race

Starting point is 01:51:33 because they came like dolphin people. They said, you know, they were never able to make destroyed, they were never able to make bombs. They couldn't like light things on fire. So they like evolved this fucking way. Yeah, it's very possible. Like who knows, like what any species of evolutionary path would be. We're very, and have been territorial since like,

Starting point is 01:51:50 ape land, ape times. And like, that just hasn't stopped. We just learned how to like, mostly ignore it or try to. Right, we're still in the same art software. We keep updating with all these modules, cell phones and PlayStation 5s that we attach to ourselves. But the hardware is still 100,000 years old, 200,000 years. I mean, whatever number you put back humanity, I think it's way fucking old, but like, that's on me.

Starting point is 01:52:14 Yeah, still feeling crappy and dehydrated over here, but... Right, well, it's very hot in here. Thank you so much for doing this. Yeah, no worries. I'm happy to do that. It was like throwing a phone at a pack of monkeys too because they like if they crash something accidental purposefully prime directive Yeah, like wow, I mean it but isn't that 2001? That's exactly what it is. Cell phone falls down and the monkeys are like what do we do with that? I mean, I mean, I don't I don't think I'm the first person to make that analogy

Starting point is 01:52:37 But like here like I have the model if it's right here in my pocket. I'm holding it right now That's not even an analogy. That's what's happening in the movie. If time is like non-existent and it is all at once happening all times, then maybe there's infinite variations of it that all sit on top of each other because we just don't understand. Like that means, you know, in our 3D reality or how we live our lives now, our brain is built

Starting point is 01:53:00 to understand our existence in a linear fashion. Just in a front to back, young to old, we do not get to see it all. And if that's the case, but time is happening all the time, you and I have had this conversation infinite times. And you continue to have this conversation infinite times. And maybe that's just the reality of how existence is. And we would never know.

Starting point is 01:53:21 I don't know. There's so many with science science and especially with quantum mechanics, things just start falling apart in a fascinating way. Well, I think that the more we look to the future, we look to the past. I think that in esoteric literature, there is the fifth element, whatever this ether is. And I think in the past, we used these terms because we didn't know what it is. I think it's going to be consciousness. And whenever we find out we can't measure, we know gravity's there, but we don't. I mean, consciousness is already starting to express itself in science.

Starting point is 01:53:54 And it is especially because I mean, look at the double-slit experiments that are going on. Exactly. People like are like, when I taught my therapist, I told her, I was like, have you heard of the double, the slit experiment from 1899, that kind of sort of kicked it off? And she's like, do we have to talk about vaginas again? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no It's just the truth of reality. It's just on a macro scale, it's not noticeable in a way that it is when you get really small. So we've reached now in our conversation what I call the Fosciani point. I'm calling it that because it's a thing that I say when you're talking about something, eventually you reach the Fosciani point where you just start talking about the nature of reality.

Starting point is 01:54:41 And then you can just be talking about anything. I was about to say, yeah, I think we're coming to this, I think we're coming to think conclusion of this one because anything else that we're doubling down on, we're on the same page. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now we need to start talking about how we as humanity are going to process this information

Starting point is 01:54:59 on a physical, on a mental, and unfortunately, whatever this idea means to you on a physical, on a mental, and unfortunately, whatever this idea means to you, on a spiritual level. Because Louisisondo talked about reality being like the cherry of a cigarette, and that we're unaware of the past and the future, but that it all kind of goes there, and that these non-human intelligences can insert themselves into this part of it.

Starting point is 01:55:21 So if that is the case, we have to rethink all of this. We have to think reality. As a rule, reality, I mean, isn't what we believe it to be. The problem is it is impossible to conceptualize. It's like we get excited about it. I think because it's impossible to conceptualize, but we like that. Like that reality isn't this sort of like defined thing. And it's not, again, it's not fantasy. We are proving it time and again with quantum mechanics that reality is a lot more weird. I mean, in order to keep track of time in the area

Starting point is 01:55:54 where they keep like, on time at clocks and stuff, they have like six or seven different clocks that keep track of time in different ways because none of them ever sync up properly. And then they have to average what they consider that time right there on the computer. And that said, right? We don't have all the answers right now.

Starting point is 01:56:10 No. Like a lot of these things are us kind of. We're on the verge of something exciting. We're running very fast and far with some very interesting baton. Exactly. But the interesting thing is that UFOs or looking at Shutter Island reviews has brought you to the Fajiani point.

Starting point is 01:56:28 Yeah, exactly. That's the interesting part of all of this, that what we're talking, what we're, you know, where all this gets back to is like, right, where we started is in like the Jetsons world, and now it's like, well, like the fucking incense, and let's get our robes, boys, because it's time to talk to the stars. Exactly, right. And though, and on the flip side of that, I also wanna keep a stumble. I do wanna remind everybody listening

Starting point is 01:56:51 and us, even in the room here, that the stuff that we're running wild with, I mean, other than the things, the few things that we have that are very, and dry. Ten gentl, there. Yeah, like hard coated stuff, like most of this stuff is still very much stuff

Starting point is 01:57:05 that we're pulling off, a fucking red thread or off of it. The government website to be fair, a lot of it. Some of it, yes, but I mean, we're not in a world where every answer is out there about the nature of aliens. You're having to be like, hey, let's do this, but don't stand back yourself. I'm not trying to stand back myself. I just want to be clear that we are in the realm of the truth,

Starting point is 01:57:23 but we are not. We are. Faculty. And everyone's going to listen to this and you're really going to think about this. Well, they're not going to one thing that they disagree with. Of course, of course. Listen, bro, internet hates me. I totally hear you. And I'll need to.

Starting point is 01:57:36 The point of this is, as you take this information and synthesize it into your life, Be good to the people that are around you. Freak water, take care of yourself. You're still a human, you have to work tomorrow. Yep, yep, all of that stuff doesn't change. None of that changes, but do with this information what you will and allow it to change you. Allow it to these things to think with you because what we're talking about is that our existence is more than

Starting point is 01:58:06 just this life. It is more than just this plane. It is more than just this dimension. Move forward with that information knowing that the decisions you make will last in eternity, not in a bad way and not in a metaphysical Christian way or anything like that. But just know that the world is going to open up and it's going to blow your mind and then you still got to go to work tomorrow. And do your due diligence.

Starting point is 01:58:32 If you don't believe us and want to papuas, do the due diligence we did. Go do the research. Read articles. Find the scientists, other scientists that looked at this and they have a different look at it. Like go above and beyond and like really put the time in because we're not jumping at this at like a wiki page and being like, oh, everything's weird. This is hundreds of hours and years of reading and like watching government hearings and

Starting point is 01:58:54 reading different documents that leak and come out. Like it's worth going into. So you are fully informed on your opinion as well. I'm willing to learn and be willing to change your mind based on information and be willing to let go of things like I know it's kind of a journey for people sometimes. Like, it's the part of facts and science that becomes almost like a spiritual journey because you're going so far into unfamiliar territory. You're going so far out on a limb sometimes that it's hard to let go of things that you

Starting point is 01:59:24 find like let's say, grush turns out to be a fucking liar right like let's let's let's if it if he is one let's let him be one and if he's not one let's actually like to like Michio Kaku said there has been a changing of the guard no longer are we touching when grandpa says I saw lights in the sky we say great fucking prove right? The government needs to address this. And if this is not real and this is ours, they need to say it because what I believe is that they have lied to us about the nature of our reality and the nature of human history.

Starting point is 01:59:56 Well, I agree. I said this before too, like even if it ends up being hidden tech of theirs, it's our tax money that is being hidden away. 100%! I still need to know what you're doing with all this weird shit that I, it's our money. We fund this shit. Right, and if any part of what Grush has said, there has been a secrecy around keeping

Starting point is 02:00:15 this technology secret and people have died over it. And that ties into Rendlesham Forest stuff where those guys got fucking their brains fried and can't get medical. And they all saw something, but there was a unique personal part to each one of their sightings. Fucking fascinating. Yeah, however, before we close out today,

Starting point is 02:00:32 and the, first of all, I wanna say, there's a lot more to dive into here, just about Batel, which I sort of realized as I went into it, we could like go straight into Batel as a topic, like in a very like more fact-based way. More emailed them. They never got back to it. Of course they didn't a very like more fact-based way more emailed them They never got back to force they didn't email you back. I can't believe you emailed them Of course I did give a shit

Starting point is 02:00:50 So if you're out there listening to this and you're like I want a batel episode soon Ask me for more on batel Go on Twitter go on the go on the subreddit at r-slash Tuluminati pod or patreon and patreon.com slash-tuluminati pod. Go on there, ask me for a battel episode. I'll consider doing a follow-up in the future. Maybe we can even have Centele back on again to talk about more. I'm sure people are going to enjoy this, I think, for the most part. Any time me and Mathis said the same word at the same time, Google those things. Yeah. Any time we both said, yep, after something, Google, whatever the last five words were as a starting place.

Starting point is 02:01:26 However, to close this out, to bring the spirit of Jesse Cox to this show, just at the end, Mathis is now going to read us an excerpt to put a little button on the story of Korsow specifically. Okay. Cool. From an article written back on November 16th, 1997.

Starting point is 02:01:43 By who do we know? In the LA Times, by NW O'Neill, just like an overview of some things and it's almost like an entertainment. They say in a CIA plan, they plan it up all over the media to prove this stuff. This was just after the day after Roswell was published. This also has some updates on like pulp fiction

Starting point is 02:02:04 and some other things. This article is called A Tale of Ghost Riders The day after Roswell was published, this also has some updates on like pulp fiction and some other things. This article is called A Tale of Ghost Riders in Alien Landings, and Mathis is gonna read us a little excerpt. The truth is out there. When you're promoting your life story, especially when that story turns into a best seller

Starting point is 02:02:16 about flying saucers, it's not a good idea to let your son butt in on the press junket, assault the publicist and threaten the life of the producer who owns the movie rights. That's allegedly what happened after Colonel Philip, Jay Corsos, Ghost Written memoir, press junket, assault the publicist and threaten the life of the producer who owns the movie rights. That's allegedly what happened after Colonel Philip J. Corso's ghost written memoir, The Day After Roswell, was published this summer, according to a lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court.

Starting point is 02:02:34 Named as defendants, our Colonel Corso and his son, Philip Jr. accused by producer Neil Russell of failing to promote the book after dispute over money. The hardback spent three weeks in August on the New York Times bestseller list, rising to number 12 before dropping off the radar. A favorite of UFO buffs, it propounds that the laser, the microchip and fiber optics were developed from technology, gleamed from an alien spacecraft that crashed 50 years ago in the desert near Roswell, New Mexico. During a 21-year military career, Cororsow was a key intelligence officer who served on

Starting point is 02:03:05 General Madouglas Bucarthor's staff in Korea and as a national security adviser to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Russell says in his suit that he bought the rights to Korsow's life story in 1992, then decided it would be lucrative to publish a book and then release a movie version. The dispute began at a meeting in April or May when the suit states Korsow's son demanded extraordinary amounts of money pending the book's release. Afterward, the suit contends Corso Jr. interfered with interviews, assaulted Russell and Simon and Schuster publicist, and threatened Russell's life, all at the Colonel but behest.

Starting point is 02:03:37 The Colonel meanwhile is accused of trying to negotiate a better movie deal with someone else. Because of the Corso's behavior, the suit alleges Simon and Schuster and its pocketbook divisions cancel negotiations for future book deals. Russell and his production company are seeking unspecified damages, as well as punitive damages and a restraining order preventing the course of from calling a or threatening the Russell family. Do we know how that worked out in court? It didn't go all the way through.

Starting point is 02:04:02 Okay, that's important also to know. Though this did happen. No, no, 100%. What I just, what you just read to me is that a human being wanted more ego and more human being money who said this is gonna be the biggest story in the world. My dad means everything. And what do people piss me off? You know, it's like, well, at the minute money

Starting point is 02:04:22 is trying to be made, which to be fair, there are people out there who absolutely blow the story out of promotion to make it better, but also we live in a capitalist country. Money is what you need to survive, and if they are no longer in the military and have no job, people are going to try and sell their story if it makes sense. And also do not make this man mega rich or mega famous. And Grush came out because his name leaked. We couldn't make a living anymore.

Starting point is 02:04:49 Right, he had to come out and do this thing of like, why are people asking about you? My point is just to remember that there's like a human element to this. Like, it's not just like people fighting for justice. We just have to remember that it's gonna be an ugly road and that's why we have to let things be both sometimes, and let things be unclear, and still hold on to things that are important and make sense even when things come in the way that maybe discredit

Starting point is 02:05:19 elements. It doesn't, it's not like a big yes or no on like a Marvel movie. The United States government needs to have a truth and reconciliation committee. They win, win a part-ited and in South Africa. They had these guys and they said, Hey, you had a racist government forever. Tell us how it operated. Truthfully, how did this work when, how were these decisions made? We need the same thing here. We need these men to be pushed out in their wheelchairs and they'll take their oxygen masks off so they can talk and they

Starting point is 02:05:50 need to tell us what was their thought process behind this. Why did you do this? And I think and I think it's going to be difficult for people to hear that military people actually take their military oaths seriously. I think for most people that aren't a part of that world They don't understand what that means Our grandparents knew it because they all fought in World War two I think it's something that is lost on modern day of what that means There are men that protect us from things that go bump in the night and sometimes those things that go bump in the night Or just Putin but sometimes there are other things and we need to give them a little bit of grace

Starting point is 02:06:25 Like you fuckers you can't hide the truth of our reality anymore. You need to let us know, little kids need to know that they can leave this planet, that there is life out in the stars, that there is more than just compound fucking debt and American Idol reruns and, you know. But it keeps us simple, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:06:45 For sure. What I will say, I wanna leave this, the button that's off of this thought I've said it before, is the idea of what this scientist called like the Uber World, the super world, where in reality, we have our six senses, and they do their best to tell us what we're dealing with. But if you go down to the size of a tick,

Starting point is 02:07:02 and what a tick to ticks, carbon monoxide, pressure, heat, and that is it. Does that mean when it comes up to a human, it no human doesn't exist, it doesn't know what a human is, it doesn't know what we are, just knows food, but that doesn't mean we don't exist in all these other experiences, don't exist in the same world as the tick, who's to say there's things beyond our senses that we just cannot experience because we're not evolved for everybody.

Starting point is 02:07:27 We're Final Fantasy VII for the PlayStation world. It is time, guys. The message just came up on the screen. Guess what? It's time to put in disc 2. Yeah, I'm loving it. Drop the bike, Alex. Call it.

Starting point is 02:07:41 She hit us up on the Patreon. Let's hit it up. Let's get it up. Oh, my gosh. For coming, Michael Centel. Thank you so much for having me blow me up in the Patreon. Let's get it on for coming Michael Santel Thank you so much for having me blow me up in the comments tell me how awful my voice outs. Thank you very much Please let everybody know where they can find more of your stuff out there on the internet before we go We're gonna do an alien podcast one you know we're gonna start our own show I think it's not a podcast that's just like the

Starting point is 02:07:59 We can do whatever we want to do it'll be a subdivision of Chulmanon and we'll have nothing to do with this We won't take nothing to do with this. We won't take any money away from you. I sure that's not so much fun. Yeah. Where can we find you, Seth? Tell people. Oh my goodness, that's so funny.

Starting point is 02:08:14 I forgot that that's a part of the internet. I've been on Twitter in a long time and I got fired from my teaching job when the kids found my Twitter. So I think it's gonna go public again. You can find me on Twitter if you want to. You mean X? Yeah, thank you on X. X,

Starting point is 02:08:28 I'm gonna give it to you. That's where you can get. What about your podcast? You can listen to me, story time with the fabulous David Miller and myself. He reads me Bible stories. I read him fairy tales. We're doing,

Starting point is 02:08:38 we're doing the Anamorphos right now. We're about halfway through. It's child soldiers. It's an epic. It's amazing. You can listen to me over at the culture nerd. Please check out me and Jesse Cox, gentlemen's gaming club.

Starting point is 02:08:51 It's super fun. I love doing it. We got lots of fun stuff coming your way. Those are all the places. I guess Instagram, whenever I get to do shows, I don't know, whatever. Take us out of here, Mathis. Thank you guys so much for listening.

Starting point is 02:09:01 We'll be back. We'll be back. Yeah, you'll come back. You're coming back. Yeah. Oh, you'll come back. You're coming back. I don't know. Just doesn't have a choice. But we'll be back next week as we get ready to dive into, I think it's cryptid world is next week.

Starting point is 02:09:14 I'll have to check the schedule. Oh yeah, mama. But yeah, we're getting back into the cryptid soon. We've got some ghost stuff coming soon. Of course, we got true crime stuff coming down the pipeline. Thank you guys so much. We love you and we'll see you next time. Bye.

Starting point is 02:09:24 Goodbye. Okay, guys so much. We love you and we'll see you next time. Bye-bye! Goodbye! Okay, bye! Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night and enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom so I stepped back inside and after a few moments I hear my wife go, holy shit get out of here! So I quickly dash back outside, and she's looking up the sky. Aw. I look up to her, and there's a perfect line of the left side of the eye. 1. Draw the line on the right side of the eye. 1. Draw the line on the right side of the eye.

Starting point is 02:10:15 1. Draw the line on the right side of the eye. 1. Draw the line on the right side of the eye. Thank you. Thank you.

Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 218 - The Alex Alien State of the Union - IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE w/ Santell

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