Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 219 - The GREATEST WWE Enigmas OF ALL TIME w/ The Completionist

Episode Date: September 10, 2023

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast episode 219 as always I'm one of your host Mike Martin joined by the thuggin and buggin Enterprises of LA what in the hell Jesse Alex and Gerard what is And the man and buggin and enterprises of I buggin enterprises of LA math is what are you talking about? It's a WWE thing There it's buggin and bug Thuggin and Buggin. And some of the worst, one of the worst trios in WWE history. Why would you?

I'm begging enterprise, it's Teddy Long managed a few wrestlers in the 2000s and his best role as general manager with the duo Thuggin and Buggin enterprises Mark Henry and Rodney Mack. This is, this is, I gotta tell you guys, this is such a specific reference. It's from the year 2003 to 2004. It is a faction that lasted about a year, maybe extra change. I couldn't even tell you when he said it, I thought he was just doing like an LA bit. Is there, who are the three guys? It's Delo Brown.

Okay. Mark Henry, you have jazz, who's, who's an amazing wrestler. Managed by Theodore Long, also for whatever reason, you've got Rosie, who is, if you an idea, Rosie is related, is, is related to Roman Reigns, who's the current WWE. Rosie Reigns? No's the current WWE. Rosie Reigns? No, his name is Rosie. His name is Rosie, but he's related to Roman Reigns, I believe.

I think he might be Roman Reigns' uncle slash dad. I think it's uncle. Amazing. They're all related to the rock in the end. And then freaking Christopher Newinsky, the white guy who basically figured out about CTE and and why he like became a brain scientist later. Yeah. Correct. Correct. Yes. So that's actually a great that's actually a great segue. And then and honestly I'm happy that we've yes it is. It really is. I know what else talking about. It really is. And it also confirms my suspicion today about how this episode was going to go with regards

to mentioning wrestling history and having like a living encyclopedia of information to just regurgitate things back at me. And so I was kind of hoping on that when writing my outline. So I hope that that works out today. Just in case, hi everyone, my name is Tarrard. I'm the completionist. I've been friends with these boys for years. I am not Alex.

I'm not Alex. Whoa whoa whoa, Tarrard, Tarrard. You know Alex has a nice big intro. You can't introduce yourself on the show. I feel terrible right now. Well Alex has got it, Alex has got it. I promise. Okay, I just seem like we're going to the story.

So that's what I was going to like throw it out there. Every episode I whip out a weird duo for them and I knew you're going to be right into the story. So that's why I was like throwing it out there. Every episode I whipped out a weird duo for them and I knew you were going to be on the episode. So I went from weird trio and it was specifically WWE. You can't introduce yourself. What of us has to do that at least? Gotcha, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Guys, I'd like to introduce to you a man who I've known for over a decade.

A man who I've done my over a decade, a man who I've done my whole coming up in this business with, a man who has been with me in thousands, probably, of videos on the internet, a man who then superseded his own YouTube channel and became a YouTube video game man, like for the world, on television, a wrestling fan, a Lou Bega fan, a video game fan, the best, the best, the best shovel night player that I know personally. This is him. You know him. He's like my other guys, like my internet husband, Gerard Cleals here on the premises. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the show. I'm Alex's internet husband. After all this time. He is. The conspiracies can be put to rest. Alex and Gerard are indeed the same person. We have different voices.

We have different voices. We don't sound the same. Everyone who listens to Chulumonadi thinks that I'm on the podcast. This is my first name has ever once except for episode 219, Ben on any of these episodes. I'm here to tell everyone that this is my first appearance ever, and this is the first time you're hearing my voice. I am not Alex Fossiani. Please stop tweeting at me that I am on the podcast. I am not on Chaluminati. In keeping with conspiracies in the nature of the show.

Is he? Is this real? Is he telling me to re-throw? We haven't. We were inserting an AI fourth host. Yeah, and if you have a guest, Is he telling me before we throw? Well, here we have it. We were inserting an AI fourth host. Yeah, and if you have a guest, if you have a guest, what today's episode is about,

I got something to say to you right now. First of all, I'd like to thank the many, many fans who have this country that wrote cards and letters to patreon.com slash chivalry pod when I was down. Technically, I want to stake one rich person who will eventually sign up for our $10,000 tier for waiting and taking the time because you know how important it is Because Jesse Cox, Michael Martin, and Alex Fossiani, the American Dream will give you what you've always wanted add free episodes

I don't have to say a lot more about the way I feel about add free episodes. No ads. No commercials There are no ads of that tier in the first place. They fought off the hard times. Well Alex Fossiani and his ads at that tier in the first place You don't know what the hard times are daddy. Hard times is when no one signs up for any of our tears. And the show doesn't come out. And we got three or four hosts and can't pay their wages. Can't buy their food. Hard times. But when no one signs up our minisoteer. And we're out of work. And they tell us, go home. Hard times. I want to show. It's been coming out now for five years, five years. And no one signs up for video mini-sodes on our movie commentary show Rob Popcorn or about the digital art, and they kick us in the butt

and they say, hey, a copy of Armour Corps 6 took your place daddy! That's hard times! That's hard times! And Ric Flair... It's just been uncomfortable. And Ric Flair, you put hard times on this country by taking dusty roads out, that's hard times! Now I admit, I don't know how podcast holds today, I suppose to look. My belly's just a little big, my honey's just a little big, but brother, I'm bad, and know how podcast host today. I supposed to look my belly's just a little big my honey

She's a little big for brother. I'm bad and then no I'm bad and there are two bad people one of them is moth man And he's dead brother, but the other ones right here Patreon dot com so I too many pot the world's great stuff side belong to these people I'm gonna reach out right now. Watch you at home to know my hand is judging your hand But this guy there in the biggest body of july not in this country in this universe all over the world now reaching out because the love that was giving us in this time I will repay you now because we will be the next heavyweight podcast these hard times patreon.com slat you money pod hello jr. I'm walking to the show in case in case none of you at

home knew what that was that was Alex Fossiani embodying Dusty Rhodes, the American Dream, and his infamous promo about hard times, and trying to appeal to the every man. That was incredible Alex. Yeah, I appreciate that. Now, I'm gonna ask you the question that we ask everyone on the show, sure when they come on the show.

What is your attitude towards the paranormal? Has anyone you know or you yourself besides us? Obviously who talk about this shit all the time on the show, ever experience anything they can't complain. What's up with explain? Explain. Don't complain. No, can't explain. I do not personally believe in the paranormal.

I do believe that people see and experience paranormal things, but I think there's a scientific explanation for it. I'll be whether they have a weird medical thing going on or they haven't slept in a long time, whatever it is. That's my stance, which is like 90% of cases of people who are sleep paralysis. That's where I stand, Alex. What about aliens?

I believe there are aliens. I just don't think they're as like, as plain Jane as we think. Do you have any like family, alien sightings, ghost stories, anything, any weird story like that? No. The families are all pretty skeptic. Yeah. My family is very skeptic.

We don't talk about it. One of the three hosts here has had a personal experience now and it's not me which makes me upset. Matt, this is mad because when we were when we were in Indy Popcorn, somebody came and jiggle my handle at like three in the morning on my hotel room door after Chad Tronick and his poor wife, we're like getting accosted by a ghost all weekend. Were they? Shout out to Missy. I'm so sorry, you guys. Yeah, Chad, Chad will be on the episode I'm showing about a month. Yeah, but like, I don't want to spoil it too much, but we will talk about it when Chad comes on here. I guess we would not sleep in the room anymore.

Yeah, it was like, it was like some real stuff. Like I saw her, she was, that was fear. That was real. And she's a skeptic. Yeah, totally. She was not a believer and she was so in the zone that she like refused to go to sleep a hung out with us even more. What do you, what do you think your dad's going to do Gerard if aliens turned out, turn

not to be real like and they've been with us for eight years. What would my dad do? How is he going to react? Yeah. Oh, man, if, if like one came to him or he saw it on the news, he's sitting at home, he's watching whatever news channel he watches. And he's he's sitting there and he comes on screen. Somebody yeah, somebody comes on the screen and it's like, Joe Biden, like, it's real. Yeah. It's all real. My dad would, you say it's chewy. Chewy, you know, like when I was a star was, I think he like, he's always been real chewing

down their skin or something. Or falling asleep trying to like, take a taste. I, if my dad saw an alien on TV, he would say one of two things. He would say, it's bullshit, but it's bullshit. Or if he had a chance to meet one, he'd go, Gerard, come on, grab the stick. Let's go. We go, we go find, get in the car. We go find. So he's brave. He'd go, Gerard, come on, grab the stick. Let's go. We go, we go find, get

in the car. We go find. So he's brave. He's brave. He's like, he's like, my dad would, my dad would be like, I show you a lesson. He's not real. Watch, come with me at stick. We go fight the end. We beat, we beat the shit. It's man and great man and great mask. Come on. I show you. I think that's a, that's the guy I would recruit. That's kind of guy I want next to me. I need to be a ghost buster. The ghost, go eat some intermission. Is it like bleed green? I would wait to see what happened. Yeah, I gotta be honest.

I would be like, I kinda wanna see what's gonna, either he'd beat some and their guys in mess or the aliens vaporize him. Either way, I'll have answers. Yeah, there's really a binary decision there. We're gonna walk away satisfied. I think no matter what, no matter what happens, if my dad gets murdered by an alien, he will take one of them, if not all of them. That's right. He wants blood. There is no, there

is. There is, like he will prove to the, to the world that aliens exist while also around, while, while also eradicating the aliens. Like they're well not, they existed for maybe 24 hours and then my dad made sure they never came back ever again. They found the cling on, if they found your dad. He's the only one protecting us. Inside your dad's locker is that like Galaxy from Orion's belt. Black three or two.

Okay, so flipping it back on us, I personally never really watched wrestling a lot as a kid, but lots of people that I know did watch wrestling a lot. I lived through N64, the attitude era. So it was like, it was beyond wrestling itself. Wrestling was probably the biggest that was in the world when we were kids. And so I have a meager working knowledge.

I know the names. I don't know what Mathis and Jesse's vibes are on it. Jesse, I have a meager working knowledge. I know the names. I don't know what Mathis and Jesse's vibes are on it. Jesse, I remember one time you were going deep with a cabbie embossing about the Montreal screw job, but I don't know how deep you go. I don't know how deep you go. I am a big wrestle fan from like the late 90s, early 2000s.

When I was in high school, we were being silly goofballs and watching every paper view. And we'd like somehow by the end of the paper view, be just beating the crap out of each other. That's what a thing young men do. And we, yeah, I was all about Stone Cold and the Rock and Generation X and, you know, like the, whatever the hell the undertaker have like gang

growl and like the so you're so you're gonna have ministry. You're gonna know some of the stuff we talk about today. Amazing and flames and fire like that stuff. You know when it was yeah, yeah, NWO both red and black like all the different things hack plus WCW when like Goldberg was in WCW and like Sting we come down for the rappers. We loved all of that. And then, uh, somewhere in college I sort of fell off because I was more about like,

hopefully a girl wants to see my ding dong rather than wrestling. Wrestling kind of fell off too for a little bit. I think that was, yeah, once John Cena and Batista took us into the, the, what is called, the Rooking Sug aggression era. Like basically wrestling as a whole kind of became stagnant from like 2008 to like 2013 or 14 because John Cena essentially became the face of wrestling with Batista and and in a weird way you have the rise of another WCW kind of rival show in impact wrestling, um, with Billy Corgan from Sponsored Pumpkins who eventually would go on,

one, two, two, uh, own a part of it. Now I think he's completely out. But, um, fascinating. Yeah, Jeff Jarrett started it. And then, uh, it became an alternative, but like it didn't nearly grow as, as popular as popular as WCW was. I think it was around the time that Kurt Angle, they started like really force Kurt Angle on the world. And I, something about that whole period, like I know Batista obviously, but I never have once seen him wrestle.

So I clearly missed that entire part of the wrestling world. Same thing with Cena, honestly, until recently. So I clearly missed that entire part of the wrestling world. Same thing with Cena, honestly, until recently. And I only really started seeing it as back when it was like new day. But that's maybe because I'm a video game guy. Mathis, nothing, no wrestling. My experience, yeah, it's surprised absolutely nobody.

My experience with wrestling was almost exclusively through video games as a kid, through N64 games. I was honestly 50-50 on you being like 100%. experience with wrestling was almost exclusively through video games as a kid through N64 games. I'm 50. I was honestly 50-50 on you being like 100%. Yeah. I was unfortunately that autistic kid that be like, I don't get it. It's not real. And I would just be like, try to shit on people's fun that my friends fun because I'm like,

it's all fake. You know what? It's all fake. It's like, it's like Superman has no challenge. It didn't take me to all like in my 20s to like appreciate what wrestling actually is and not like see it as this actual like Fighting competition in a way like like you would you have seen or something and I you're coming at it all wrong Like I like wrestling. I would

Because wrestling was like a man came out of a coffin and flames explain. I was there for the drama The drama that just plays of like aggression. Yes. And I get mad. That's what I should have been looking at as a kid, but as a kid, I was too much on the like, again, I'm just like, I didn't get it. It didn't make sense to me.

I'm like, my friends, my friends, when I'll treat it, it's very real and stuff. And of course they were like, we know it's not real, dude, but it's like, not about that. I'm like, I don't get it. But now, you know, in my 20s, I'm like, I figured it out. And it was really the scene of Batista era that even made me realize it's like not about that. I'm like, I don't get it. But now, you know, in my 20s, I'm like, I figured it out. And it was really the scene of Batista era that even made me

realize it was like, would that kind of came around? And I was like, oh, oh, okay. I think I get it now because I'm not a dumbed kid. I like understand it. Yeah, it's still athleticism. It's still people like it's a performance. Yeah, yeah. But it's a performance. Those who break their bodies in half like a absolutely like I fully Respected if I was if I understood that as a kid I feel like I would have been on the other side of that coin Alex where I would have been All It was real stuff would have killed Vince McMahon like seven times over. Yeah, yeah, yeah

He would have died many times if resident was real real as far as we know The rocks cousin Rikishi was the one that ran over Stone, Colstie, Vostin, Broke his neck. Yeah. Triple H. Rikishi, dude, Triple H. How did he get out of jail, man? Triple H was the one who paid Rikishi to do so.

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Man kind of sock signed or whatever that's mankind right? The guy who had the sock. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I'm yeah. Oh man, I love him. Me fully. He was on, he was on, Killer, a boy meets world and that's how I knew, I know that's him.

So, the wrestling, the funniest thing about wrestling when we were kids is not even so much, and it still happens to this day, is that wrestlers, now it is, because sitcoms are kind of come and gone, like you see, you see wrestlers on things like family feud, price is right, they have like wrestling additions, so it's like really, you see, you see wrestlers on things like family feud, prices right. They have like wrestling editions,

so it's like really fun to see that as real people. But used to see them in television sitcoms all the time. So, and they always have that yearly wrestling episode. So, like, they'd have like Vader or like Goldberg or whoever appear into the storyline of wrestling. He was like one of the kids' dads. It was like the story of an boy meets a world. There was stuff like that.

The ending, you got like saw some WWE match and then they had a dance on the inner ring. That's why I watched as a kid. Yeah, totally. It was crazy seeing the undertaker like finally break character on camera like last year. Oh man, so the undertaker retired during the pandemic. And now for the first time ever, he's like,

he has a show called, he's like, man I'm cool. Yeah, he has a show called the one, it's like called the one Dead Man show where he like does a one man show but talks about his career. That's interesting. And for the,

and oh, he's definitely getting there. Oh, how old? He's got to be in his 60s, right? He's 50 plus for sure. I don't know how old he was. I thought it was in 60 70s. He was born. He was born in 1965, which makes him 58 years old. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's been he's been a wrestler for. Yeah. If I remember it, I have to get you to give me the link to those fucking uh, cammy. Oh my god. So I can put in the show

notes for everybody. With Jesse, you're going gonna laugh your ass off during the pandemic when the undertaker was doing his goodbye tour They the WWE winner promotion where people could pay cameos for the really undertaker and All of them all of them are like It's like Brian. This is the undertaker It's like Brian, this is the undertaker. Your mother wants to let you know that she believes in you and wants you to go to school and to brush your teeth, rest in peace. Hopefully all your teachers will rest. You died?

Yes. There's like, there's like someone made a compilation of them on YouTube, all of them together. Yes, there's there's like there's like someone made a compilation of them on YouTube all of them together and There's two or three were the undertaker breaks because one is being asked. It's too funny. Yeah, too funny He congratulates like a 91 year old lady on her birthday like you made it 91 years old One amazing feat your career. She's as long as the undertakers Hopefully you never rest. Okay. It is phenomenal.

So with that, we all love wrestling. We think it's awesome. Let's get into the meat of this. Here are what I'm calling the three weirdest wrestling enigmas. Get it? WWE because I'm a genius. I'm enigmas. Three weirdest wrestling enigmas of all time according to the Chiluminati, ready? Let's complete it. Oh no.

Oh, don't do that, please no. Boy, quick, then edit the intro to the completion. No, no, no, don't, don't. Also, also warning, this episode is rated M4. This is usually the type of disturbing stuff that Mathis talks about in serial killer episodes. Because some of the stuff we're going to be covering today, pretty heavy. If you know anything about wrestling, you probably heard a lot of this stuff before.

You probably guessed some of the things that I'm going to talk about. But it's still like just to give you some warnings at the top. We're going to be talking about substance abuse. We're going to be talking about suicide. We're going to be talking about murder, traumatic deaths, and adultery. You've been warmed, but not this first one, this first one is very light. So are you ready, Gerard? Yes, sir, because you're going to be our guest reader, you're going to be our armchair expert

today. You can find them online later at youtube.com slash the completionist, click the bell, make sure you don't miss a single video, check them out on there, check them out. He's pretty good. He's up and coming. He's popping off. He's trying my best. He's just popping off. Just trying my best. We got to help these young kids out these days, you know, YouTube's a tough, tough game nowadays. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So first, let's just get this one out of the way right now.

Has Chris Jericho contacted the paranormal? I guess to get us started, if you don't know who Chris Jericho is, I have a few facts here for us and then you're already can jump in if there's a war. Can you be my canary in the coal mine because I could you say something a little watches reaction to no way really quick right. I tell you who Chris Jericho is. Yeah. When I was in high school, my friend Mike Putney loves Chris Jericho. Obviously, break the walls down.

Here's the thing. Break the walls down. My dad, every time Chris Jericho would show up on TV, he would say and I quote, I don't like that guy. He seems like an asshole. So that's all you need to know about Chris Jericho would show up on TV. He would say and I quote, I don't like that guy. He seems like an asshole. So that's all you need to know about Chris Jericho. Yeah, well, you just made the list. He's an American press by you, Alex, and the amount of research you've done so far. I'm a wrestling fan now. He's an American. He's an American Canadian wrestler. Chris Jericho is currently sound with AW. He's really excellent technical wrestler.

He's got like this kind of like rock star presence vibe to him with like big long hair. He has a band called Fossy. That's true. He continues the rock star vibe out into press tours. That's his kind of real vibe. Yeah. The band's called Fossy has like a gold records since they're silver platinum records. Very a very popular band

that came from his career as a wrestler. He's been around as a wrestler since the 90s. He was with ECW, WCW. You begin the first undisputed WF champion. Can I ask a question that's probably not directly related, but how often do wrestlers when their career and spin off into other careers?

Because we know the tug ones, like Batista and Cena and the rock obviously, but like. All the time. Is it very common for like a lot of people end up end going off and doing other things successfully? Mo, sorry, go ahead Jesse. No, I was just saying like, drop point definitely knows better than me,

but it's not necessarily they became an actor. Someone to fit my life. A lot of times it's like they opened a chain restaurant. Yeah, one on the so cars or something. Like they do things for sure. Yeah, okay, that's cool. Went on to become a brain surgeon. The godfather owns a titty bar in Vegas.

Oh, of course he does. That's so perfect. Deal, so brown was his bouncer for many years. I don't know if that's the, at his titty bar. Yeah, yeah. You walk in and deal browns in the fucking doors. Yes, what the real deal? From the fucking tug chuggers, what walk in and deal browns and the fucking yours. What's with the real deal now?

From the fucking tug chuggers. What do they call on the bug chuggers? What do they want? That's the bug in a tucking, uh, tucking, uh, tucking, tucking, uh, tucking, uh, tucking, uh, the tugger's, the T.C. Tuggers. The T.C.

Tuggers. That's the machine the aliens have. I think it's literally called the, uh, I don't know what it's called actually. Is it in Vegas? I don't know. I know called actually. Is it in Vegas? I don't know. I know, I know the he owned one. I do remember that. Anyway, Chris Jericho.

You guys remember them, the Mexicos? What? What is that? Another trio. Is that another trio? Get a fuck out of here. All right. Chris Jericho was the first undisputed WF champion

and last holder of the WCW World Heavyweight Championship in 2001 when he beat Steve Austin and the rock on the same night. The first ever undisputed champion. Yeah, that's right. He was a six time world champion, nine time in an intercontinental champion, triple crown champion, grand slam champion before he left WWE in 2018. It became part of new Japan. Great wrestling.

And wrestling, by the way, Kishin and Wondering is when you win every single championship possible in that organization. It's like, yeah, it's like doing the, the Gond like, uh, yeah, what do you call it? The E got, uh, yeah. And then, uh, he was a founding member of AW 2019. He was the first ever AW world champion and the ring of honor world champion. He had a career total 35 championships, 10 intercontinental championships so far. He's still like probably on the best run of his life right now at 50, 51 years old, something like that.

He was in dance with the stars one time. He hosted a game show on ABC one time called Downfall where they drop shit off of a building if you didn't get questions, right? If you remember that, I do not remember that. I feel like I wish I should remember that. Very wasteful. Also, he has an extremely long running podcast that I want to get on called Talk His Jericho, where he often brings on extremely fringe people like coast to coast or chilemonauty

podcast or something to talk about all kinds of crazy paranormal supernatural stuff. He's got like a thousand episodes. It's nuts. Wow. Wow. Is that a good, do we now, are we in now square on Chris Jericho? Did I do my duty? I think so. Do you listen to the show?

Is he like what's his vibe to his show? Is he more Joe Rogan or or more like scientists? It feels very Joe Rogan Okay, he's kind of talking about whatever. Yeah. Yeah, he's he's Yeah, he he very much He he caters the the behavior of the podcast to whatever the whoever the guest is. So um a lot of wrestling stars of the current day and old kind of concerning by he'll do episodes with them. He does a lot of like conspiracy theory stuff. He talked about JFK affair amount in a few episodes. Yeah. He's real into it. Yeah. So so when I when when you guys are talking about conspiracy theory stuff like he's all for it. So I think you guys getting Jericho on the show is not that

difficult. I would love to talk to Chris Jericho. He would vibe with you guys quite well, especially after this. I don't like it. He seems like an asshole. His dad lifts up the list and he's on the list. All right, anyway. So the reason he came up in Chiluminati sphere is that this dude always has had a connection to the paranormal, very open to the weirdness of it, which you know, I respect. And back in November, he went on Howie Mendel's podcast, Howie Mendel does stuff on Rooster Teeth,

and just talked for like over an hour about all kinds of topics. And actually it was a great fucking interview to kind of watch if somebody doesn't really know all that much about the world of pro wrestling. Jericho's really eloquent sort of intellectual academic type guy when he talks about this stuff. He lays things out really well. Even some of the ways that wrestlers kind of get the short end of the stick in a lot of

ways when it comes to making money. And it made sense to me when he compared his early days of doing gigs with random promoters and learning techniques to sort of like doing improv comedy or jazz. And like he even mentioned yes and. And he calls it a live Shakespearean stunt show, which I think is pretty accurate. It's a fucking cool ass way to describe it actually. And outside of the woo woo stuff, which we'll get into right now, I just recommend giving that interview a look anyway

if you're interested in who Chris Jericho is. Don't tell your dad. And I'll toss the link in the show notes for peeps who want to see, though he's pretty pro NFTs, so be careful. By the way, did you know his entire career? He only ever missed six weeks with a broken arm. That's like already paranormal.

He's like the luckiest man in wrestling. I don't understand. He's dead ass like the Keith Richards of wrestling. He was like right there with everybody and he's just like couldn't be in better shape. Calling him the Keith Richards of wrestling would be an honor to him because he very much should model himself after Keith Richards.

And his career. I feel like that's accurate. He's like a huge rock. Like he's like if Keith Richards was a mortal combat character. Yeah, that's Chris Jericho. Yeah. So according to this interview, Jericho is an absolute true believer.

And honestly, it's only the last 10 minutes of the interview or so where he talks about like paranormal stuff. But we're going to look at some of the stuff I found on the internet. We're going to do our best to decide whether this guy has touched the paranormal or not, okay? So first things first, I guess we can call it exhibit A. Here's a quote from the Howie decide whether this guy has touched the paranormal or not. Okay. Okay. So first things first, I guess we could call it exhibit A. Here's a quote from the Howie Mandel interview

for Gerard to read, describing something that me and Jesse, but more powerfully, Mathis and Fox Molder will recognize quite clearly. So this is for you to read, John. At that time, displacement, it's when you can't account for a certain stretch of time. It's like when people get like abducted. I was driving home on a country road and it should have taken me by an hour to get home. Instead of getting home at 2 a.m. I got home at 5 a.m. I don't know what happened. I don't know. I wasn't drinking. I wasn't doing drugs or anything.

There's just a big chunk of time missing. I should probably go to a hypnotist and see what happened. There was any abduction or anything. I've had that time missing. I should probably go to a hypnotist and see what happened. There was any abduction or anything. I've had that time displayed, Smynt. That's the craziest one. So already, yeah, straight up, this is him having this experience. Yeah. It's interesting because he's right, obviously, like, when it comes to abduction scenarios, a lot of them are time missing time pieces, sometimes it's minutes, sometimes it's hours, but also this man has been hit in the head a lot. Yeah, that's true. So that's what I keep in mind, but like.

But I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even go that far. Like I vividly remember one time drive to my parents' house and there's this one part when they, at the time lived in Kentucky and there was this huge hill. And I remember being at the top of one part of the hill and this is on a highway, a lot of traffic. I being at the top of one part of the hill. And this is on a highway, a lot of traffic. I was on the top of one part of the hill. And the next thing I was on the other side of that hill,

like down the valley up the other side, I don't know what happened in time there. It freaked me out because it, like, clearly it was weird. But like, there was a bunch of traffic. It clearly wasn't abducted. It is just, I think. You just made math is so jealous. There was like a moment of traffic. It clearly wasn't a badoc, did it? It is just, I think. You just made math is so jealous.

There was like a moment of time where it was like, boom, and my brain was like, I'm gonna shut off for the next like 30 seconds. Don't worry about it bro. That's like a known thing in driving. It's like tunnel vision or something. Like all the same state. It's almost like, yeah, it's hypnotic in a weird way.

Where you're like, blanky like, oh, oh, fuck, it's been an animal. I can't even count the amount of times that happened to me on my way to Cal State, full of 10, like, five in my math class. Two way into my math class. Yeah, meerton. I did five AM to my left. Two AM to my left. Yeah, me too.

Yeah. Going back to the topic, like from two AM to five AM, that's a three hour gap is fucking huge, but you know, I'm going to be curious what else is going. He never really saw an alien. He just had the time displacement. So here's another one that's Chris Jericho versus the paranormal. Exhibit B is a YouTube video from paranormal New England called Exploring the Bridgewater Triangle with Wrestling icon Chris Jericho.

It actually is sub 1000 views at this moment. That's crazy. It was posted at the beginning of 2022. I think I have Bridgewater Triangle scheduled for October. I'm very excited. Yeah, it's coming. He, he, I think he, like was trying to shoot a pilot or something because it's like very expensive looking for a video that has not even a thousand views.

So I think he was using it to pitch something. Okay. But basically, he goes around to tons of different witnesses in the area of the bridgewater triangle, which is kind of like the Bermuda triangle, except it's in New England. And, or like, Skinwalker Ranch. It's way closer to Skinwalker Ranch, type, deal where, like, this is the area, but it's a triangle. But all kinds of like ghost aliens,

cryptids, and it's like, you'd name it, somebody's seen something. Yeah, it's like, Permaflap, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So he goes around to everybody around there, different witnesses, a paranormal activity, from the farmers at City of Flesh Farms, to some dude in a punisher shirt

who saw the lady of the ledge. But just in case anybody doesn't know about it, like the bridgewater triangle, basically what we just said, it's just like an area, it's not really tied to one particular type of activity, it's just a hotspot one particular type of activity. It's just a hotspot.

Anyway, back to the rock where this Punisher dudes saw the Lady of the Legge. The investigators Jericho is with decide that if they use a vandegraph generator to send one million volts down through the quartz crystal that's in the cliff on the ledge where the Lady of the Legge is. It's just like a landmark where this lady supposedly shows up on this cliff. They think that this electricity is going to give the paranormal entities more energy with which to manifest and do stuff. That's for those who may not know, like that's in like the ghost hunting world. That's a normal thing to do.

But belief is like certain types of stones can maintain more energy. And that's why if there's like a heavy limestone or quartz or whatever, they might be more active. Is that the long lines of like crystal stuff? And that I think it's close. I kind of put it into that area, I think. I mean, a lot of the time when you see like bespoke ghost hunting gear, there's like crystals involved to like attune, you know, like how crystals are magic wands or whatever. I don't know. I can't get into it too far. Here's what I'll say at 15 minutes in the video, things start to get a little crazy. I'll let you guys decide whether it's anything paranormal. Here's a link for you guys to watch. It's already at the 15 minute mark so you guys can live react.

I'll put the full link in the show notes for everybody at home to watch this to just go to give it a click and just kind of give everybody the play by play on what's happening here. There's like two orbs with electricity zapping between them rhythmically. Yep. Then they then they turn around to the forest behind them. There's another. Is there a noise in the woods that they're trying to? They lit the thing up and then like, there's like something's happening. There's like tremors. That's like not normal.

It's tremoring and then they like see something in the woods like, and then like that's it. Yeah, they've got a heat, like a thermal camera pointed at the woods right now and a giant flashlight. Okay, they don't want to lose it. They, what is it that they see? It's like a splotch on the camera, that's how it looks like. It looks like heat in the trees.

Like there's a spike bloom of heat or light. And they're looking for it in the trees. And apparently according to them, it's going along with the electrical current between the two metal balls they have set up. Yeah, so I don't know if that's paranormal. I don't know what you guys think about it, but it looks like Chris Jericho went into the woods

and haunted down a fucking ghost to me. I will say the music is doing a lot of having list lifting and I know. I absolutely agree with you, Jesse. Yeah. I mean, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Interesting.

No, it's not. It's very, very boring. Yeah. Zach Begins ruined ghost hunting for everybody. So that's the second piece of evidence about Chris Jericho touching the paranormal. And finally, we're going to go back to the how we interview aliens are just the beginning of what Jericho says he's encountered. We'll finish with one more incident, which I'll have Gerard read a quote from Jericho about for us for now. From the set of his travel channel show, Chris Jericho hunting monsters,

where he goes off hunting for Louisiana's scariest monsters and legends. This man was a wrestler just so he could live my life. It's just weird because he's Canadian. Like, I don't know why he's like the guy that's going to the Bayou, but I guess because he can maybe speak French, I don't know, but he's there, he's down the Bayou.

Here it is, here it is, Gerard, here's the quote for you. He's another one I did for a show, The travel show called Chris Jericho hunting monsters. We went to the Louisiana Bayou to look for a Rugeru, like a Louisiana werewolf or whatever. What's his name? You can't just order whatever that dude. What do you mean? That'll be, that'll be in an episode that Mathis does in like two years. When we were there, there was a voodoo priest who put a curse on a town in the 20s. When she put a curse on the town, this is real.

A hurricane came and killed 50 people. They have a mass grave in the middle of the swamp. We were out there and I had a machete. I was cutting through the swamp and we got to this mass burial ground. I put the machete in the ground. They had the ghost hunters there with the thing where they could scan you and lights

can come up if they see something is attached to you. These guys were scanning me and it was going full on Defcon green right on my arm. I was like, let me see that thing. Is there a button you're pushing? No, I do it to myself and it's blinking. Then I started feeling queasy like I had been on a roller coaster. I see Endorphins brother. This is fucking not good

I have to get out of here. This is really bad I pulled the machete out on the out of the ground and it went away I'm wondering if maybe when I put that machete in the ground It made somebody mad that it was buried there. I felt some weird shit going on in my body I talked to a shaman and they were like it happens You get spirit attached to you and you have to be cleansed. It's pretty out there stuff.

But when you're there and it's three in the morning and you feel something weird going on and you know it's not normal, it's super hard, or it's hard to explain. This man's having a panic himself into a sickness. So what do we think? Yeah. True believer, Chris Jericho telling the truth, paranormal cavefabe. what do we think? Yeah, true believer, Chris Jericho, telling the truth,

paranormal k-fabe. What do we think? Maybe he's a magic machete that like pulls the cells of the dead. Or maybe Chris Jericho in his 50s should not be staying up until three or four in the morning, driving and seeing weird things in the swamp. Not a hell with that, I'm with him.

I want to be up in three of my 50s. You kidding me? I'm with Jericho on this. I'm almost there. Yeah, he up in three of my 50s. You kidding me? I'm with Jericho on this. I'm almost there. Yeah, he, there already is like a, like a study that just came out that belief in the paranormal is tied to sleep deprivation. So, 100% yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, oh me and Mathis. All right, so also remember the term paranormal k-fabe for later if you like themes in your writing because I'm gonna use it again. But now let's move on. The second mystery that we're going to be looking at today involves one of the greatest and hardest working technical wrestlers of all time with a legacy that was marred by one of the single darkest acts in the history of professional wrestling, which happened

in the last three days of his life. This is the story of another big famous wrestling, Chris, Chris Benoit. I know a lot about this guy. Yeah, here's a quick description of the man and his accomplishments for Gerard Teree from Wikipedia. And then afterwards, he can add anything else that he needs to think we know before I get into Eddie Guerrero. Here we go. This is just his Wikipedia achievements. This is a sad one, everyone. Hold on here, but here we go. I got you, fam. Christopher Michael Benoit was a Canadian professional wrestler. He worked for various pro wrestling promotions during his 22 year career, including the most notable in the as a one time WCW World Heavyweight Champion and a one time world heavyweight champion in WWE.

And he was booked to win a third world championship at a WWE event on the night of his death. Benoit was the 12th WWE Triple Crown Champion and the 7th WCW Triple Crown Champion. And the second, a four men in history to achieve both the WWE and WCW Triple Crown Championships. He was also the 2004 Royal Rumble winner, joining Shawn Michaels and preceding Edge as one of three men to win a Royal Rumble as the number one entrant. Benoit headlined multiple pay reviews for the WWE, including a victory in the World Heavyweight Championship, main event match of WrestleMania 20 in March 2004.

And for those of you wondering, just for everyone at home, he wrestled Sean Michaels and Triple H, and he won the match. This story was covered in Vice's fantastic show, Dark Side of the Ring series, which if you want to get real sad and real dark, you watch that series very well produced from the eyes of wrestlers all over the industry. It's a rough one, but it's good. This one was the like two-hour season premiere special for season two. And actually Chris Jericho was the narrator for that season, but he did not narrate this one because he's in it. And a lot of what I'm going to say here comes from me watching that show a couple times, as well as reading the somewhat controversial book, Chris Enancy by Irvin Musnick, who's a popular sports writer, whose subtitle is, The True Story of the Benoit Murder Suicide

and Pro Wrestling's Cocktail of Death. We're not going to go super deep into this. I just want to give you guys a basic background so you guys can understand everything that I need. Do you guys know the Benoit story? I mean, I thought we 100% should explain to the audience at least. Yeah, yeah. But before we get into that, first of all, I have to talk about Eddie and Chavo Guerrero. Do you know who they are? Can you give people a background on them just quickly, Gerrero? Yeah, so Eddie Guerrero and Chavo Guerrero come from the Guerrero family. ground on them just quickly, Jarrett. Yeah, so Eddie Guerrero and Chalvaguerro come from the Guerrero family.

Huge, huge lineage of wrestlers. I believe Eddie's dad used to own a promotion back in the day that was held as like a very, there's dadder's grandpa owned a very old school promotion. Old school, a luchador based wrestling, Latino, Hispanic, and in the WCW era of wrestling, they were kind of seen as like the Hispanic. It was like Chava Guerrero, Eddie Guerrero, and Rey Mysterio Jr. They were kind of the representation of Latin wrestling for many, many years. And then they left, went to WWE, WWE, bought WCW, and shortly after the acquisition and Eddie had some demons, went through some hard times, alcohol and substance abuse.

But he found faith, he found God, he got cleaned for his family and eventually became one of the best wrestlers in the industry to the point. He was like the star at the time that he died. Yeah, when he passed away, unfortunately, he and Chris Benoit were the faces of the point. He was like the star at the time that he died. Yeah, when he, when he passed away, unfortunately, he and Chris Benoit were the faces of the WWE and even idea, they were best friends. They grew up together. They worked together. They were at a staple called the Radicals with Dean Malenco and Perry Saturn. Like, they were, they, they, at the time of, of, yeah, they were legends and, like like like like what's the two warriors That were like in love with each other Achilles and whatever. Yeah, and that kind of and to give an idea

Eddie Guerrero is not only a fantastic wrestler But his whole gimmick which got him so famous was he lied He cheated and he stole in every match. So what he would do is he would grab a chair He throw his opponent his opponent would catch it He then fall on the ground and act as if he was attacked by a chair and the ref would call a Disqualification on on on the person with the chair and that like career that that moment in his wrestling prowess is what exploded And he became this this huge wrestling legend because of it. He became like Mickey Mouse or some shit.

Yeah. But anyway, here they are on their probably worst day of their lives. November 13th, 2005 in Minneapolis, Minnesota at the Maryout City Center when Chavo, who was 35 at the time, finds his 38-year-old uncle Eddie dead of a heart attack in his hotel bathroom. And then immediately called Chris Benoit, who was only five months older than Eddie and Eddie's best friend, like Gerard said. Before the ambulance got there, they flushed his anabolic steroids down the toilet. And WWE said he died of damage from past drug and alcohol abuse before WWE was able to set

him on the right track. Here's a quote from Chris Benoit from the episode of RAW, where they did a tribute interview for Eddie for Gerard to read right now. This is from Chris Benoit from the episode of raw where they did a tribute interview for Eddie for Gerard to read right now. This is in Chris Benoit's voice. You don't have to do impression. That's just. This is a rough one because to give you context, he's crying his eyes out. And Chris Benoit does not show emotion.

He's like a dead eyed man. Yeah, this is what he said. Eddie Guerrero is my best friend and I'm sure there's a lot of people he knew that would be able to say the same thing about him. He was such a beautiful person, such a kindhearted person. I couldn't find the words, words couldn't describe what kind of human being Eddie truly was. I've known Eddie for just about 15 years and spent a good portion of the 15 years to him on the road. We laughed together, cried together, fought each other, been up and down, each and every mountain, each and every highway. Eddie always led by example. He was the one

friend I could go to and pour my heart out to if I was going through something. If I had a personal issue, a personal problem, he was the one guy I could call and talk to. And know that he would understand and he would talk me out of it because of all the experiences he'd been through. I believe in leading by example and always and Eddie always led by example through his life. Because of all the obstacles he went through and conquered and became a better person, he often used that as an example. We never left each other without telling each other that we loved each other and I truly can say that I loved Eddie Guerrero. He's a man that I can say I love and I love his family and my my heart, and my thoughts,

and prayers go out to them. And Eddie, I know that you're in a better place. I know that you're looking down on me right now. I only know that I love you, and I miss you Eddie. Eddie, you made such a great impression on my life, and I wanna thank you for everything you've ever given me, and I wanna thank you for my heart, and tell you that I love you,

and I will never forget you, and that we'll see each other again someday I love you Eddie. Yeah, so as you can see this is a guy who barely ever speaks And he's he had this much to say about Eddie and as you can probably see Eddie's death Absolutely gutted Benoit just totally broke his spirit in shit and sent him to like a pretty dark lonely place And that's not even where it ended because in January of 2006, Chris's mentor while he was in Japan, the Mexican wrestler named Black Cat, aka Victor Barman Well died of a heart attack at 51.

And then just three weeks later, Michael Johnny Grunge Durham, who's one of Benoit's OG like Atlanta friends when he was with WCW, like, and hanging out over there. Cause he's like fish out of water, Canadian down in Atlanta. So these were his people. Benoit's OG Atlanta friends when he was with WCW and hanging out over there. He's like fish out of water, Canadian down in Atlanta. These were his people. Johnny Grunge died. He was morbidly obese at the time of his death, died of complications from sleep apnea. After taking a bunch of muscle relaxers prescribed by the same doctor that treated Benoit, a man

called Phil Astin, who got in a fair amount of trouble. After losing Eddie and being put over the edge, Johnny Grunge was kind of like the final straw that broke the camel's back for Chris, kind of extinguished his passion for the work. Benoit always been kind of a weird process obsessed, kind of anti-social, single-minded wrestler, really didn't care about anything besides wrestling for the most part in his day-to-day life, to the point that a lot of the guys used to hang around with him off the clock called him the zombie. But now he was truly depressed and diminished. They moved him over to what is it? ECW and he was kind of like not really front and center anymore because he was kind of the spirit had gone out of his body a little

bit and he fully swore off any benefit shows which they used to do for wrestlers when they died or funerals and even just eventually swore off religion in general because he was worried that they would take him to two dark of a place. So in mid 2006, even after a fairly extensive leave, he was basically acting like a hermit and one night just after moving to the new home in Fiat County, Georgia, Chris's wife Nancy was picked up, walking on the side of the road by her new neighbor, Holly Shreppfer, saying that she had just been thrown against the wall by Chris Benoit and that she was afraid to go back home. So Nancy, originally Nancy Topheloni, was herself also a fairly popular wrestling star.

She had almost 13 year career. She was most popularly known as woman on WCW. I think she was a valed Kevin Sullivan for most of that time. Yeah, it's actually crazy because Kevin Sullivan was married to Nancy. Yeah. And in the story, it was Kevin's idea to make it so that Chris Benoit had to fight Kevin Sullivan to win over Nancy and then it actually happened in which they got together and Nancy left Kevin for Chris Benoit and they'd been together ever since.

That literally happened. He wrote his own divorce into like K-Fabe. It was like so crazy. And they still worked together through the actual divorce, which was very bizarre, like. In real life, I actually like one of the things that I did not mention in this story is that a lot of people implicate Kevin Sullivan in this death somehow. And I just, it's not true.

I don't think of all the stuff that I read. Like, everything that I read backstage, Kevin Sullivan and Chris Benoit were like friendly the whole time. Correct. The whole affair was very like and not reflective of anything, other than that by putting Chris Benoit Nancy together, he got them to meet each other, you know what I mean? And they divorced in 97 and they got married in 2000.

So it's not like some quick thing like that. It was like, you know, a natural relationship. However, and they were a very seriously dedicated couple to each other, Nancy and Chris. But they did have a tumultuous marriage, having once even filed for divorce quickly in 2003, before like reversing it very quickly. The pair were notorious among their wrestling friends down at the Ginza Japanese Steakhouse, where they lived, for launching into like loud, embarrassing fights in public whenever they'd go out in big groups Not because they hated each other, but more because they were both kind of like drinking and using

substances and just kind of like didn't really have like normal personalities that weren't like very loud and bombastic. They're both wrestlers. It's kind of wild to think about But here's a quote from the Chris and Nancy book about what their relationship, where that relationship kind of ended up, and the vibe between Chris and Nancy heading into 2007. This is going to be for Gerard to read again here. The evidence of the last months of Chris and Nancy's lives, including an incomplete record of the text messages from their cell phones, brings into high relief the bitterness of their alienation, spotlighting both specific issues and the general inability of this particular man in a

profession celebrating misogyny to embrace domesticity. Yeah, and just to give our listeners a taste of what they fought about, Jarrah is going to read you a text that Nancy sent to Chris while he was on a road trip to Canada, and as he does, please pay attention to everything that Nancy's saying and what she thinks might be going on here. So this is Nancy saying this? Yeah. Texting.

You are a grown man with three kids. Set the example, are you trying to say this is how you grew up watching your dad call your mom names, maker, cry? No, then what gives you the right? Grow up for the mighty sakes, for mighty sakes, get off the stuff, it's obvious. I'm probably not the only one who can see

and we both know the WWE Wellness Program is a joke. Damn. So do you guys know what the WWE Wellness Program is? I were to guess it's meant to help wrestlers get off whatever substance they might be abusing, but in reality it's probably a PR firm. Yeah, it was launched in 2006 directly after the Eddie Guerrero stuff because Eddie Guerrero's whole thing was that he used to do it and now he didn't. And whatever he was doing with the wellness

program, it was still supplying him with some of the things that he needed to get through his life, which happened to be drug some of the time. So this is a quote from the Bleacher reports, Pavatar Sadoo for you to read a jarred from a 2011 article called WWE, The Truth Behind the Wellness Policy. The WWE Wellness Program is almost a joke as the real main event players never actually get suspended. But this is an excellent way to keep the media from constantly pointing at the WWE to blame them for the death of pro wrestlers as a result of steroids and drug

abuse. The wellness policy helps protect the company and potentially their main event performers. Yeah, now it is important to note, though, just to throw it out there, that the wellness program not only was designed for this, but it was heavily kind of created on the tail end of the McMahon trials with the with in the 90s about Hulk Hogan and on all the drugs, right? Like, yeah, they kind of when they was like the vibe around wrestling outside of the fandom was like, oh, those drug addicts. Yeah. When they bought when they bought WCW, they kind of said, you know what, we survived the man trials, like let's not talk about this ever again.

And then as Alex talked about it, when Guerrero passed away, they kind of went back to the drawing board and said, no, we should have an artwork facing program. And they would honestly use this wellness program as much as it's designed to make resters be accountable for their responsibilities. And we've learned now, obviously, through time and time

again, the most policy became a joke. There was a time, and there still is a time, in that the wellness policy, depending on the wrestler and how famous they were getting and how popular. How high up or down the card you are. You're gonna high up or down the card that they would enforce the wellness program to punish them. So Rob Van Dam, RVD, one of the most famous wrestlers of the hardcore era in ECW.

He was the world champion for both WWE and ECW at the time. He beat John Cena and it became a huge ordeal and shortly afterwards he was suspended because he got pulled over for having weed on him. Which is crazy. And they didn't even try to save him. They just pulled the rug underneath him and said, you're out. And mind you, the bed wall situation had already happened, I believe at this point, but that kind of gives you the scale of like the wellness program at the time was definitely a sliding bar

that they would like to use in order to control narratively who was popular. It gave them a way to control who was in trouble more than anything. But Benoit had abused steroids so thoroughly in his life that his body had literally like impaired sexual function like his testicles didn't work right. And he couldn't, his body couldn't make its normal supply of testosterone anymore. And it was through the wellness program that under the guise of quote, testosterone replacement therapy, he was able to continue using steroids while also outwardly appearing to happily

follow the new rules and look like he cleaned up his act, which is like another benefit to these famous wrestlers who are trying to escape this sort of association. So anyway, Nancy also driven by this domestic instability towards prescription drug abuse, drinking, even stealing Chris's drug sometimes around the house. But eventually for the sake of their son Daniel, who was very young, she started exercising, getting straight, even though Chris was often nowhere to be found, extremely controlling when he was around, all while simultaneously remaining completely quote emotionally detached throughout and in May 2007 Benoit told Bob Hardcore Holly Howard that Nancy was quote fucked up on Pills and Boos and he checked himself into a hotel for the night after they had another

fight and that was in May of 2007. A month later in June rumor was that Chris Benoit was having an affair with the WWE diva Michelle McCool, something that might actually be supported by police evidence and text records, but I, you know, whatever. And Nancy was not immune to this suspicion either. She was very clear on bone-up on what was going on. And the fighting was worse than it had ever been. Chris's mood swings were getting extremely scary and aggressive and he was becoming much

more physically abusive and she was making a loose plan at the time to move out with Daniel in the near future. And famously, she's quoted as telling her friend Pam Clark, if anything happens to me, make sure people know Chris did it. And on Monday, June 25th, 2007, that same new neighbor who ran into Nancy on the road, Holly Shrepp for found the bodies of Daniel and Nancy in the house when she was with the police, helping them do a wellness check on the house, both had been strangled to death. After making their way down to the basement, they found that Chris Benoit had also taken

his life meticulously hanging himself with his own gym equipment. According to the WWE, Chris had been unaccounted for us since Saturday when he missed the first of two wrestling shows he'd end up missing that weekend. No call, no show, just conflicting, confusing cryptic texts with some of his friends like Chavo Guerrero, various mentions over the phone of a possible cover story he'd come up with to delay to discover of his crimes about Nancy and Daniel both getting very violent food poisoning. And on Monday, after still not officially being able to get a hold of him early in the morning, the WWE called the police, asked for the welfare check, which is when Holly

the neighbor got involved in the bodies were found. I'm not going to go deeper into the details of exactly how they were killed, but I will say that he did put a Bible by each of their bodies for some reason. And in his own Bible, which was found later, he left a short suicide note in there, which read, quote, I'm preparing to leave this earth. Sorry, just want to chime in real quick to add to that. Benoit was not a religious man until Eddie passed. So when Eddie passed, he became obsessed with religion because Eddie was always trying

to tell him to read Bible verses and would recommend the book to him and it wasn't until Eddie passed where Ben Wallace started to actually believe that like Eddie Guerrero was leaving him notes and and and give him kind of insight via the Bible and so there's that and then also not that it really matters too much, but it does kind of show you the monstrosity of their relationship. Chris and Nancy Sun Daniel had a lot of physical and mental issues.

And so he really had no way of defending himself from his dad when the time comes came. He's fucking seven, too. Like he's a seven year old boy. And there's actually some rumors about him being much more ill than he actually was. when the time comes to come. Well, he's fucking seven, too. Yeah. Like, he's a seven-year-old boy. Yeah. And there's actually some rumors about him being much more ill than he actually was. I don't know exactly what that's about. I think it had to do with the DA, just like, blabbing.

But the media ran with some stuff about this that was much more like they were like, he has some syndrome and it's like destroying their marriage and it's just like, wasn't true. Yeah, they basically think that he had a severe amount of autism. They finally had something called fragile X, which is like a weird form of autism. Yeah, which he did not have.

He didn't have, but that's what they used as a social media point. They were trying to blame it on the kid, they were trying to blame it on the kid that their marriage failed part. Yeah, they were trying to frame that like he did it because he couldn't say his kid anymore, but it's not true.

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So strangely that night's three-hour live raw show that Benoit was supposed to be at or something It was always meant to be a memorial a memorial as Gerard mentioned Originally though it was for the character Mr. McMahon who had literally the week before character, Mr. McMahon, who had literally the week before blown up on television live in a car bomb. Yeah. So convincing that Donald Trump thought it was real, called in and was like, did something happen to Vince?

Is he okay? I'm worried about him. I hope my friend Vince is okay. But instead, the cancel the live show broadcasts an extremely quickly produced Chris Ben Wal-Moral tribute show that was still three hours literally opened with the surreal image of now alive again Vince McMahon no explanation just now he's alive again after he killed that he died on TV like the last thing that people saw was a couple of mixed exploding yeah it was supposed to be the end of the of the McMahon character sandstone Colt Steve Austin yeah and it came on no music. He was crying. And this is what he said.

This is for Gerard to read right here. Good evening. Tonight, this arena here in Corpus Christi, Texas was to have been filled to capacity with enthusiastic WWE fans. Tonight's story, I was to have been the alleged demise of my character at Mr. McMahon. However, in reality, WWE superstar Chris Benoit,

his wife Nancy and their son Daniel are dead. Their boys were discovered this afternoon in their new suburban and land to home. The authorities are undergoing an investigation. We here in the WWE can only offer our condolences to the extended family of Chris Benoit, and the only other thing we can do at this moment is tonight, pay tribute to Chris Benoit. We will offer you some of the most memorable moments in Chris's professional life and you will hear tonight comments from his peers and those here, his fellow performers, those here who loved Chris and admired him so much.

So tonight will be a three hour tribute to one of the greatest WWE superstars of all time. Tonight we will be a tribute to Chris Benoit. So this was a three hour special. Before the special, Ed even hit its third hour. The actual news had already cut up to the story and started reporting that they had all died on different days throughout the weekend

and that the case was already closed down because Benoit was already known to be the killer. And so this was happening on other channels while Ra was on to you. So when they announced that the three of them died No one knew that Benoit had done it at the time. So that's why they did the tribute They thought oh all three must have died the same time as a family. Yeah, they thought what they said Yeah, that's what they thought and then the news came out shortly afterwards during the broadcast that was pre-taped and automated at that point

That he that Chris point that Chris Bennell was in fact the responsible reason for all this. Yeah, and so a few days later on the June 29th Smackdown, Vince was singing a slightly different tune. Here's another Gerard reading of his second statement about this after he was apparently unhappy with whatever he said on ECW. He also says something on ECW, but this was like the third thing that he said about it. So that's for you. On a recent edition of Raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show recognizing the career

of Chris Benoit. However, the fact of a terrific tragedy involving Chris Benoit were not known at the time. Therefore, other than my comments, there will be no mention of Mr. Benoit's name in this program. On the contrary, this shows dedicated to everyone's been affected by this terrible incident. This marks the first step of the healing process whereby WWE performers will now do what they do better than anyone else in the world entertain you. So there was maybe some strangeness there, especially considering how fast they were able to put a three hour pre-taped broadcast together on the same day that they found out that he was dead, which is kind of crazy. Or maybe there wasn't any strangeness. You know, maybe it was just a bunch of wires getting crossed, but that probably wouldn't matter unless there was some way that they could have known that Benoit was dead before the police did. But we're not going to talk about that just yet, because overnight, this became a huge

media conversation about the practices of the WWE. What kind of superstars they're creating through this crazy ass brutal lifestyle they've made for these dudes. And among allegations of shoddy police work and misleading rumors fueled by the loose-tongues like that fragile X syndrome thing that we were just talking about, which Chris Jericho even had to eat humble pie about it because he was like, honestly, I got this crazy news about Chris Benoit that he like murdered his family and they gave me this explanation that it was maybe fragile X. And so I was just grasping at straws trying

to come up with something. But now I know that was wrong. You know what I mean? So that was like a big like even other wrestlers who were close with Benoit were thinking this type of shit. The bad press about the drug use was about to be joined by a whole new type of bad press around something called chronic, traumatic, and cephalopathy, or CTE. And here's a quote from Chris Jericho, for Gerard to read from Pace magazine about how things used to be back in the day and how CTEs might have easily happened all the time right under everybody's noses. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.

And the thing is, no one's doing that unknown. It was a badge of honor. You just grit your teeth and take a chair shot. I remember like, hit me as hard as you can. You just would fucking sit there and take it. Watching it back now is like watching hockey goldies playing with no masks Like what were we what were you doing and you be sitting there going? I don't know. I don't know what I was doing. It was just the way that it was

Thankfully a lot of us didn't end up in the same position that a guy like Chris did because we were all taking just as many chair shots Just as many if not more. I look back on it as almost embarrassing to see. It's hard to walk, but thankfully we never ever have to worry about that sort of violence again. It's important to know, I just, Chris Benoit, signature move. I literally have to say my nose right now. He would get on the top turn buckle and he would do it flying T-Pose out and he would land his head on top of the wrestler's shoulder. He was the one wrestler. Boom on bone.

He was a wrestler who famously did not do a lot of high flying stunts except for that. We would often do with Chris Jericho specifically. There are dozens of matches that those two would do where they would beat the crap out of each other. So many moments where Chris Benoit would run full speed ahead at Jericho to the outside of the ring and Jericho would clock him with the chair as hard as he could. There are tons and tons and tons of matches recorded on the WWE Network on P-Cock. You can watch right now, wherever Ben Wal-Resthaled, where it was very evident that this man was getting married in the head more often than almost any wrestler who was doing it. Well, it was doing it.

Yeah, and basically all this crazy head trauma, some wrestlers inevitably get, leaves permanent damage to the brain, similar to the damage that you see from Alzheimer's or dementia, which causes all kinds of thinking and mood problems, causes aggression, causes depression, causes suicidal tendencies. After his father, what's the name, Michael Benoit, submitted his brain to be analyzed for CTE's post-mortem. It was actually revealed that Chris Benoit's brain, quote, had a brain that resembled an 85 year old with Alzheimer's, which would lead one to ponder how Mr. Benoit would have found his way to an airport, let alone been

able to remember all the moves and information that is required to perform in the ring. That's an 85 year old Alzheimer patient's man's brain in his head. But what's the implication of that sentence? That someone was guiding him? They're just saying, he is brain, they're saying his brain was so fucked up that it's a miracle that he could even get around. Okay, all right, all right, all right.

I was like, it sounds far more sinister what you just said. It just means like he was so fucked up that even the doctor is like, I don't know how this guy could find the airport. His head was so fucked up. But yeah, according to the official story, this is all just really sad and terrible

and tragically avoidable knowing what we know now. There's not a ton of controversy to it, unless you wanna really deep dive in. And for the most part, the evidence that's out there does support the official police version of the story. So rather than offer you some kind of complete timeline of alternate theory, I'm rather than offer you some kind of complete timeline of alternate theory, I'm going to just give you some highlights of some strange details that I've noticed

about the case and then see if somebody with actual wrestling knowledge, maybe you or Jesse can put anything to get there out of it. I don't know. First one, in some of the crime scene photos of the house, there's like a huge knife that you can see. It's really weird. There's like a huge like butcher knife That's in the house under Daniel Benoit's bed Daniel Benoit was seven years old. I can't really imagine why somebody would leave that there by accident But if you just search Daniel Benoit knife under bed You'll find this picture. It's in dark side of the ring. I

Can't imagine why somebody would leave that there by accident. Best I could imagine was somebody saying online maybe Benoit planted it there to mislead people about what happened or maybe he originally planned on stabbing everybody to death but like choked because it was like a fucking crazy thing to do to stab your family to death. And just so gory and I don't think he was thinking about that maybe to the last minute and then he just put it away. What if it was the kid he said and so maybe not just his dad was violent think he was thinking about that maybe to the last minute and then he just put it away. What if it was the kid, he's seven, so maybe not just his dad was violent and he was scared.

So we had a fucking. There was calls that went out of that house at weird times and some people think maybe that the kid called the cops while his mom was being murdered. So there's a lot of things that happen. It didn't say it was a different time storm the weekend too, which is. It literally was on different days.

It literally was. That's fucked. Yeah. Luckily, if you can call it luckily, Daniel was sedated at different days. It literally was. Yeah. Luckily, if you can call it luckily, Daniel was sedated at the time that he was killed. So at least he had that going for him, but it's pretty awful. No matter what you say. Some people use this knife thing, though, as a rabbit hole to a fringe theory that Benwell was actually framed for the murders. But like I said, done a lot of digging on the case by now, I really don't think there's that much fishy

about the murders themselves. I'm pretty sure we know pretty much what happened, which is that a man with brain damage had a very bad depressive episode, and in a fit of rage, or in a fit of like, true bottom of the barrel of self hatred, just did some horrible stuff. But the next thing that I've got

is a little bit weirder, and is now we're moving into the world around this case, which I think is much more interesting and more mysterious. But I had to get into the details of the case so that you could see why maybe the WWE would be interested in controlling information about this case, considering the wellness program and considering the bad press that they stood to have about something like this. So basically that same neighbor Holly Sh Shreptra, said that she saw British WWE Squire trainer, Dave Taylor, and his wife, Lisa, possibly with one other unidentified

woman there that day, near the house in the neighborhood when she discovered the bodies. They lived one town over, so they weren't super, it doesn't make sense for them to just be in the area. They couldn't have possibly known it was a crime scene at the time according to the official timeline. So it's even weirder that they were there. And even weirder than that, she said that when she saw them, they were carrying some kind of weird deli-tray, like you might have for like a small social function. Which kind of implies as the book Chris and Nancy says that quote, the tailors believed one or more, but not all of the Benoit's had died,

and non-violently at that, or alternatively, it would suggest that they wish to convey as much. So really weird. So they basically went over there with a plate of appetizers to essentially try and get in the house to see like what was going on. Something like that. Like nobody knows it's just off the testimony of this neighbor who's like was with the cops literally all day and is not untrustworthy. But here's a quote about it from

Mike Benoit's lawyer, that's Chris's father. This lawyer is called Patricia Roy and this is for Gerard to read. It's a quote. Holly Shreppfer, Shrepp, Shreppfer. Yeah, Holly Shreppfer told me early on that WWE had Dave and Lisa Taylor appear at the Green Meadow House and try to get information from Holly. Holly ran into Dave and Lisa immediately after discovering the bodies and appeared to her that Dave and Lisa Taylor knew about what happened, though Holly thought

it would be impossible because Holly was the first one to discover what happened. After speaking to Holly outside Green Meadow, Dave and Lisa Taylor would not call Holly directly and would have a mutual friend who taught horseback writing called her. Holly thought it was weird that the couple called her via the mutual friend and they thought it was weird that a week later they called and kept emphasizing to her and that they did not know what happened prior to being told by Holly and just didn't want to appear to her that that was the case. So this is them calling Holly up later through a through a middle man going by the way

just so you know we had no idea what had happened there. We just happened to be there Sorry, just so you know, I know you didn't ask us, but just so you know, we had no idea Which is like and this is a lawyer saying that this testimony happened, right? Sure, but strangely though today the vibe around the question was Dave Taylor there with his wife that day and did they have deli meets is one And was Dave Taylor there with his wife that day and did they have deli meats is one mostly of denial. Dave Taylor, for example, says he was in Texas with the WWE tour crew that day. Though according to the book, he does give a very hazy account of where exactly in Texas he was.

And he committed himself to a story that the author, the book was told by an insider, sounded like nonsense. So that could be made up. I don't know. I'm not saying one way or the other whether it is or not. And to be fair, William Regal, who's another British wrestler from that era on the other side of the coin, recently went to bat on David Taylor's side of the story last July on his podcast, gentlemen villain, which, which William Regal, I guess has just had this whole time, where he had this to say, if Gerard doesn't mind giving us a little taste of William Regal here, I got to look quote from William Regal about this.

Here you go. That's a lot of another complete piece of nonsense that needs put into bed. Dave Taylor had nothing to do with that. Dave was with us. Me and Dave were. We had seen each other that day. We were both shaking our heads like in the days because he knew Chris as well for a long time And it was that kind of day and I know there's a lot of people that will say that there's this and there's that

I'm telling you from my perspective Most people will walk will walking most people will walking around on that Monday like zombies just staring I remember seeing quite a few people just walking around, like not knowing and me being one of them. I wanted to just, I just wanted to get that out of the way because that seems to have come up this week and no, I had no clue about any of that. Again, because the time period, I had no clue and that was why. It was just, he was banned from being around. So there you go. But if it sounded to you like he was oddly hyper focused much like Dave and Lisa Taylor on whether he could have had any early knowledge of

the murder, that is because his spot at the Chris Benwatt tribute is like famous among wrestling fans for how much it seems like he does know what happened when he says it. So I have a link. This is a minute long clip. I have a link for you guys to watch this. And Mathis or Dean, if you guys wanna give this, if you wanna give the audience this one, I think you can probably tell in the voice the thing that people react to here. So I'm gonna give you guys a chance

to listen to this clip and then you tell me, if you think that this is a man who knows that this guy murdered his family. That's a late-to-date. I'll be quite happy to sit in, tell you all the things about Chris Benoit that I'd like to tell you. But now all I'm willing to say is that Chris Benoit was undoubtedly the hardest working man in professional wrestling, the most dedicated and totally absorbed in the business of professional wrestling, All I've really got to say at the moment, he was the absolute best.

Thanks. Yeah, it's tough for me to think that, I don't know, he just seems like a guy who's in shock. So I was reading through the comment section on this and then obviously comment sections or comment sections but someone did point something out that about a year ago after this video was posted The user name on YouTube Troy the birch pointed this out. He said yeah Regal did an interview that gives some insight here according to regal He was ready to do a heartfelt tribute, but as he was walking to do this

JBL John Bradgib Layfield was just walking out and according to Regal, he was ready to do a heartfelt tribute. But as he was walking to do this, JBL, John Bradgib Layfield was just walking out. And according to Regal, as they were chatting for a moment, JBL said something like, you think he has anything to do with it? Regal said that that was the first moment he started to entertain, what had actually happened. And then 30 seconds later, he filmed this as all kinds of shit was suddenly spinning in his head.

So right. Yeah. Yeah, that'll throw you the fuck off for sure. Sure. That seems genuine because JBL for those of you guys don't know, he's from the APA, the A.K.Lites, but eventually we become one of the most infamous heels in wrestling, fighting Eddie Guerrero and Benoit very often. He is a very bullish personality, a very scary guy and almost like,

but when he was with the boys, he was very no nonsentistrate at the point. And it's very, very possible that in this moment that JBL and Regal were just like having a genuine real conversation. Yeah, and it's really not about like this is evidence that shows that he knew. For me, it's more just about this really happened where this came out and people looked at it and then and he, that's why that whole podcast interview existed in the first place that I was talking about. Right. He felt like he needed to come out and be like, listen, I don't know what the fuck.

Dave Taylor was not there and I had no idea either and nobody had any idea because he's probably been hearing it, you know, for 15 years, right? It's like the Montreal screw job and that the more people talk about it and the more evidence that comes out about it, there is kind of a legend in itself that just keeps growing and growing, right?

Yeah, so yeah, would it behoove him to back up Dave Taylor's story, even if it wasn't true? Sure, but I also don't think of William Regal as a liar like that. Yeah. So I don't wanna come down on either side of this one. I just think it's a really interesting thing and I honestly do think both stories kind of have it

could simultaneously have some truth to them. So it's really impossible to say exactly to what degree, right? So that's the first thing, or the second thing actually. But then there is this Wikipedia hacker, which honestly, if I'm being real, is probably the entire reason Gerard is here with us doing this episode in the first place because years ago, before I was even on this show, and maybe this is why Mathis wanted me on this show, I have no idea. I did a show called, I didn't even know what you were. I did a show called Mystery Search.

That was just like a little pilot thing that was kind of funnily written that was like about it's on YouTube you can watch it now and it's it's like Alex basically writes a conspiracy theory through AI and what's funny about it is that like Alex writes all of his isms into the AI so the robot is like, so check this shit out, dog. On this day at this time, this thing happened to like, why did that happen? Yeah. So I'm incredibly creepy. Like, let's not mistake it's weird. It's really weird. It's very, it's very, it's very weird. It's called mystery search. You can go find it. I did it like almost 10 years ago now. I thought it was just kind of like a bullshit story. I thought it was just

kind of like, like my conclusion at the time was that the internet came to life and like put something out, put something out there, you know, just because I was, like you guys know, I don't really care about the actual explanations of stuff. I just think it's interesting. But as I looked into this shit, it's kind of, it's kind of strange.

So basically, there was this dude Matthew T. Greenberg and just for, he's 19 years old at the time. And just for this one quote, instead of having Gerard read it, I'm gonna have Jesse read it because I like heard this quote written in Jesse's voice as I was reading it the first time. So this is for Jesse.

Oh boy. Greenberg, therefore, represented somewhat more than a brief perhaps unintended center of attention during the media frenzy. He was also someone whose consequences, uh, the, who, someone whose consequences the powers that be had to work overtime to suppress. For they wanted to make sure he didn't wind up getting elevated to the status of the Benoit story's answer to Brandon, the young fan in 1990 movie Galaxy Quest. In that parody of Star Trek, Brandon has encyclopedic knowledge of his cult, which comes in handy for the climactic solution finally figured out by 10-mallens character, a washed up and cynical former actor on the TV show. This is how you think I, the veris, the verimus, the verimus,

the verimus, verimus, verimus, the tune of Galaxy Quest, you suck, Alex, has such a hold on the sweet hollow souls of its followers that it is inspired the architecture of an entire civilization and another quadrant of the universe. All that's true. What the fuck? It is a super specific reference to Galaxy Quest that I think this reporter made without realizing that this movie wasn't the center of everyone's life.

But basically late night, Sunday, June 24th, 2007, and remember, this is Sunday night. The bodies were discovered by the police on Monday. Sunday night by 10 p.m. Eastern. Chris Benoit's Wikipedia entry had already been edited and Gerard's going to read out loud what had been edited to the first time that it was edited. Here it is. Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW championship match at Vengeance as Benoit was not there due to personal issues. This makes sense that this was added because that night was the pay-per-view that Benoit was not there for.

No, no. And they cited that he was not there for personal issues. And I believe even though, I don't know if Johnny Nitro won that night, but I think CM punk ended up winning that night. So then two hours later though, at a minute past midnight, it was edited again, adding to the end of the sentence from the same IP address, this, this, this piece, stemming

from the death of his wife Nancy. So then that part was added to the end. So it was like he wasn't there due to personal issues stemming from the death of his wife Nancy. Then that edit was added to the end. So it was like he wasn't there due to personal issues stemming from the death of his wife Nancy. Then that edit was reversed less than an hour later by an admin who said, quote, need a reliable source, saying that his wife died as a pretty big statement,

you need to back it up with something. And then, from another IP that wasn't the Greenberg kid, all the way out in Australia, an hour later, the thing was edited again, and it now reads like this, which Gerard is going to read for us. Chris Benoit was replaced by Johnny Nitro for the ECW Championship match at the Pay-Per-View Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife Nancy. But this was reverted again by the admin

who said, quote, saying several pro wrestling websites is still not reliable information, which it's not. So still, even though within hours, the actual Chris Benoit Wikipedia page was returned to normal, the temporary edits were noticed in the logs of the page by Monday night. And the next day, after Greenberg's IP address was traced and revealed that he lived in Stanford, Connecticut, literally, quote, around the corner, which his dad says in a police

interview, he brings it up himself. He's like, is my kid in trouble? I just want to make sure because we live like really close to WWE, like around the corner from it. So the authorities were notified about that. And within days, the story of this weird Wikipedia hacker with knowledge he shouldn't have had was on the news across the country. Okay. So pretty soon when that happens, the dude who did it, Greenberg, posts an extremely wordy and over-explany apology on Wicked News, much nicer and less awful sounding than language to used in many other weird early 2000s,

dude, funny, misogynistic, racist joke edits that he made to Wikipedia throughout the day. He like changed the name of the mayor to his friends in a city somewhere. He like put all these racist things and sexist things in certain Wikipedia entries. Taking care to make especially clear that there was no funny business going on. And here's a quote from that response, that apology, that was like fucking long that he wrote.

Here's Gerard reading that for you right now. Oh boy, here we go everyone, it's the long one. I am just still in shock that what I posted turned out to be true, and I feel awful that my post turned into a huge story when it was only speculation on my part. Sorry I'm writing a lot, I just want to move on from this mistake and I hope you understand. Thank you. I also want to clarify again, the comment wasn't meant to be a prank, but just speculation on my part from some rumors that I had heard on the internet about the family emergency that caused Chris to miss the Haibarview vengeance.

It was stupid of me to post, and I regret it, but I did it, and that won't change. But as long as everyone knows that it was simply a coincidence and nothing more than we can move on from this. Also I'd like to apologize for my other wiki updates on other pages as they were immature and dumb, but I know I'm not the only one who has done this, but nonetheless I will never post anything like that again as I have learned from this. Thank you again. First reason I included this is because in my opinion, as this is just about one fifth of the total amount of repetitive and over-explainy shit that he used to explain himself, it feels

pretty like lawyer coached to me like he had talking points that he really needed to say. Personally, that's just speculation on my part, but it just feels that way. But secondly, I included it because he never really fully substantiated exactly where he got these rumors from. And though there is a videotape out there of him talking about it to the police, the guy who wrote the book had to fight to the nail to find this thing. Police said it exists. People said it didn't exist.

Then he asked for it and they sent it to him. And it was like three minutes of it and it got cut off. And he was like, what the fuck is this? And he had to go diving. And finally, he got the tape. The only thing I watched it and the only thing that I was able to glean from it was that Greenberg read the info that Benoit's family was sick that night before anybody else knew, which only those Benoit had talked to personally had heard because he's the only source for that rumor, but somehow Greenberg already had that information, and which hadn't been reported publicly until Monday evening, which is like almost 20 hours after the Wikipedia edits were made.

So that's impossible, according to the official timeline. Also, at one point, he denies having any connection to the WWE before the cop asks him. He's like, by the way, I don't have anything to do with WWE. Nothing at all, no connection, which is like super weird. But once you see him and what kind of guy he is, you can maybe chalk it up to him being nervous. You can watch the interview here if you want.

I'll give you links to all three parts for the show notes, but just in case you want to clap eyes on him for a second for you guys here. I'll just give you guys this. You can kind of just look at him and see. He's just like a very 19 year old anti social gamer teenager boy. He's like a PC boy. I like he's he looks harmless to me. I don't know.

It makes sense. He'd be nervous at the suddenly. The news was thrust upon him. He'd probably be panicking. Yeah, this dude doesn't look He's part of any sort of grand high conspiracy thing. He just looks like every do it. But he more but he might have known somebody W. W. E who worked there who gave him really this was the kid. I mean, he's just around the corner. He wrote it on Wikipedia He wrote the N word on Wikipedia the same night. He could just be a fucking little A little guy. He looks like the kind of person who would do that.

And to be fair, he was very scared. He's very nice to the police officer, very cooperative, very clear that he like bit off more than he could chew. I don't necessarily disbelieve his story that much, but he did have information that did not exist in the media anywhere before it existed. The thing about them being sick was like not a thing.

That wasn't something that somebody had to say. That was something specific that Ben Wasad, right? And my point is simply this. The further you look into this, the more inconsistencies you find. It becomes harder and harder to tell whether the WWE knew because of the weird inconsistencies you find. It becomes harder and harder to tell whether the WWE knew because the weird inconsistencies and the texting records, there's testimony from Chavo Guerrero, who probably could have taken what he got from Benwaw that weekend, put two and two together earlier with the text he got.

Also Chris Caldeman was like, I love you. Over the phone that Saturday, it indicates that maybe WWE could have, if not true knowledge that he was dead, because it was maybe aware of it and was trying to get in front of it, or at least gone through some trouble on the public record to like obscure whether they had this knowledge for some reason they'd rather not share. But it's really complex and it's long-winded. So unless you want to read Chris and Nancy for yourself, you're just going to have to trust me that I looked over it and at least checks out that there is some weirdness here.

That's the best I can say. Of course, Chavo and anyone else who got weird texts could have just been covering for their friend who was no showing for a match two days in a row, which is something that this man never fucking did. And these guys love each other and they're gonna cover each other's back without even knowing what's wrong. So it could be something like that, you never know. But with the weirdest, the police investigation, the fact that Verizon was never subpoenaed for

text because they said their system glitched out and erased them all, the fact that Ben was, like, diary that everybody talks about now where he'd like, write these like super sad letters to Eddie Guerrero about how he was feeling, post death, where he talks about drugs and he talks about all these other things. It wasn't found by the police during their investigation. It was found by that lady Holly again, the same lady who saw Dave Taylor,

the same lady who helped the cops come into the house in the first place. It was found by her in the fucking trash. So I don't know what the fuck went on over there at that house that day, but I'd say the real thing people should be asking questions about isn't the murder itself, but rather who knew what when and what they did with the knowledge once they knew, because I don't think that we actually know the answer to that question right now, even after two hours of dark side of the ring.

And even after me reading about this fucking horrible murder for like more hours than I ever wanted to. And before I wrap this story up and move on to our last one, I just wanna say, I've been reading about the private lives and personalities and lots and lots of wrestlers now getting ready to do this. And for no particular reason at all, I'm just gonna say, there are many wrestlers who are loyal to the WWE professionally because WWE is wrestling in a lot of ways today,

thanks to capitalism and Vince going against his father's wishes and growing the company so large and powerful and buying every promotion that there is in the world. But as far as I can see, at least in some small way, the WWE is probably screwing every last one of their wrestlers in some way. So don't get it twisted. Yes, I imply in the story that both the WWE and some of its wrestlers both may have had good reasons to misrepresent details of this case to the public into the authorities, but I bet money on the fact that any wrestler who was doing it was just doing it to take care of their buddy Chris against the company that's always looking for any excuse to get these guys in trouble. Anyway, now I'm gonna talk about my favorite wrestler ever, Raudi-Raudi Piper. Oh my god. Oh yeah, wait, though, before we move on, I have one never before discussed

element of the Benoit story, at least never before discussed on air, which I uncovered while doing research, locating a creepy Reddit post that has one of Benoit's voice mails from that weekend on and after he committed his murders and pictures of the crime scene with out bodies. Um, I have a link to that. After he committed the murders? I guess you're right. Yeah. I have a link if you want it to look at some of the stuff, but the real juice for me came

from the comments from somebody called Horn Pub and Grill, who said, quote, a very close relative of mine actually purchased this house and still owns it currently. I've been a handful of times, and then he implied that the house may currently be haunted. I have a quote here for Gerard to read about that. This is the first I've ever read about this and just based on what he said,

it seems very likely that he did go inside this house. So just go ahead and read this for me before we move on because it's a little bit more fun than before. Sorry, I didn't have time to post last night at night, but I simply remember them saying that they had one of their sons who had taken over Daniel's room upon moving in was supposed to be in bed sleeping and they kept hearing what sounded like footsteps way past bedtime. They go upstairs to make sure Adam, not real name, was in bed and she expected maybe he was just being a boy and kept acting asleep as soon as she would get close to the door to listen and the noise would stop as soon as she got there.

They have dogs and the dogs would randomly start growling and the scruff on the back of their neck would rise and they would be looking at a corner of the room until they had to basically be forced to stop. A few instances of kitchen drawers and cabinet drawers being opened when my relative would be the only one home and they specifically remembered said drawers never being opened by her. That's honestly all I can remember them discussing. My personal experience in the weight room, it just seemed immensely colder in that room, even compared to the rest of the basement, hair on the back of my neck and arms right

Attention, but nothing other than that Anyway There you go a new paranormal angle for you to make creepyposses about actually don't do that That's weird if you do that but speaking of wrestlers and ghosts. Oh here. Here's the link if you guys want to check out the that reddit post But I'm good. I'm good. I'm I'm'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, any of you guys actually, can you give the audience an idea of exactly what K-Fabe is and why it's called K-Fabe? I don't know why it's called K-Fabe, but the art of K-Fabe.

It's like pig Latin fake, right? K-Fabe is the art that you do not break it when you are a wrestler, whether you're on TV on or off the screen. So, for instance, if you saw Stone, Col when you are a wrestler, whether you're on TV on or off the screen. So, for instance, if you saw Stone, Colcey, Voss, and drinking a beer on TV, and then you saw him at the airport, he would still be drinking a beer.

Like he would flick off, you know, people who would ask for autographs and tell them, you know, DTA don't trust anyone, you know, he'd say, Austin 316 says, I just whipped your ass. The idea is that if you see a wrestler out in public, that they maintain that persona while they're not on television and to end the general rule is that you do not break K-Fab when you were not on TV. You are a... They always want to give the audience the decision themselves if they want to decide if what they're watching is real. Is real.

So that they can get invested. Not that it's really real, but it's just they act in a way that it's like Disney. Yeah, the idea is that if you see Mickey Mouse on the side of the street, he's still going, oh, when you're like seeing him at 7-11, you're still as a cow. He's real. He is Mickey Mouse. That's kind of the vibe of what. And breaking K-Fabe back in the 80s and early 90s was a no-no. People were very serious about it.

If you broke K-Fabe, you would get fired or bullied out of the company. Any company. They made it very easy. It would be easy. They would protect it through and through. It was the one thing that despite your beef with the wrestler, despite your problems, the general rule was that you never break K-Fade. Yeah, and I think that maybe there's a lot of other jobs out there

that use K-Fade without realizing it. And today, coincidentally, we're gonna be talking about Roughty Roddie Piper, mostly in the context of this episode of the TV show, The Haunting of Roughty Roddie Piper. Season two episode five of The Haunting of. Is this a WWE show? No, no it is not. It's like a ghost show.

It's available online for you guys to watch afterwards. I'll put in the show notes, but I'm basically gonna spoil the whole thing right now. So do with this link what you will after I give it to you. The haunting of is hosted by Kim Russo, who was a popular television psychic and medium who specializes in deeply emotional therapeutic encounters with the unknown, especially if celebrities are involved. And I don't really know the veracity of the thing she claims,

but if it means anything to you, Jessie, she's a Christian, and at least in her own words with Gerard will read for us now, she claims to be like you. Here we go. A self-proclaimed skeptic, Kim always wants proof before she believes things to be true. Therefore, she willingly has become a certified medium by the Forever Family Foundation in 2005, and the Wind Bridge Institute for Applied Research in Human Potential in 2011, both which subjected her to a battery of double blind

tests to prove the accuracy of her readings. Both organizations are dedicated and committed to proving the existence of life after death by integrating mediumship along with scientific studies. Being accredited is no easy feat and Kim scores proved to be exemplary. Now sometimes I'll admit that I write things in this show so that later there will be a reddit post of somebody discrediting it. And I'm hoping that the Forever Family Foundation and the Windbridge Institute for Applied Research and Human Potential gets put on full blast here.

If they are real or not, I didn't look it up on purpose because we're talking about fucking weather. Don't worry, I'm looking up the Forever Family Foundation. Nothing called the Forever Family Foundation, plus I'm a Christian, plus I'm a skeptic, makes any sense. Right, like you can't have those three things. plus I'm a Christian, plus I'm a skeptic, makes any sense. Right. Like you can't have those three things.

Like look, I can say I was raised in a Christian family, but to go full skeptic and be like, look, I still got questions about like the authenticity of what was written in the Bible by a bunch of dudes a thousand years after. You're like, you can't be on this, you can't be like, I also work for the Forever Family Foundation and these other people as a psychic. It's just not how it works, it's not, you can't be on this, you can't be like, I also work for the Forever Family Foundation and these other people as a psychic.

It's just not how it works, it's not, you can't do that. And so, you know, it's interesting that we're talking about K-Fabe right now, you know? But anyway, on the day of the episode, she's driving out to meet her client outside of Portland, Oregon. He's one of her son's favorite wrestlers and she can tell he needs closure with her psychic ability.

She's already getting a sense on her way to his house that he needs closure and that he's sad and that he needs a release. She starts sensing a presence even before she arrives and here's Mathis with the quote because Mathis is from New England and she has a long Island accent. There are a few people that are starting to jet in my ear.

These, that's like, that's not as landlord, that's what's his name. That's pretty good. That's Kim Wooden. That's Kim Wooden. That's pretty good. That's the one. That's the one. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the one. Glitty. I'm coming to life before my eyes, man.

These are a lot of different types of personalities. I'm sensing. I feel like I'm getting a team together. Maybe it's the Mexico's. There's like a team. No, it's not. It could be the Mexico's. It's some some type of suicide. I'm seeing in a circle. Everyone standing in a team. No, it's not. It could be the next. It's some some type of suicide. I'm seeing in a circle, everyone standing in a circle, a lot of them are men. I don't know, almost like a men's club. Wow, I just can't believe that. It's what I'm seeing here. Yeah.

So now a brief aside about Rowdy Roddy Piper in case you don't know who he is. Do you know him pretty well, John? I think everybody does. I recently just watched the WWE in a while ago. He's a little older. Yeah, he's a bit older. He famously in the early days of wrestling was someone who was genuinely a jerk in the ring.

Notoriously, he boxed Mr. T at WrestleMania one. That was the big, that was the big kind of celebrity introduction. At the very first WrestleMania, he boxed Mr. T. Yeah, he just like everybody else we've talked about today. He's another Canadian wrestler, just pure coincidence. He's, he was born, I think in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. He won 34 championships with WF and WCW. He was famously the host of a thing called Piper's Pit where like a lot of the like drama could like play out It was like a little talk show that he had with the other wrestlers. So yeah, so do you be some ideas? Or some context a lot of the time in wrestling on television

They would have segments that would be themed around the wrestler so in the case of Chris Jericho It was like this like movie themed based one Like cutting edge with edge, like a wrestler always had, ding dong hello with Bailey nowadays, like the idea is that wrestlers would be given a talk show theme where they would interview a wrestler in the middle of the wrestling show,

designed to get more context and build more time. Yeah. Yeah. He's now let's get all the Venn diagrams on board about Randy Roddy Piper. He's a star of they live by John Carpenter, let him the best movies ever made. True. He played Damaniac on it's always sunny in Philadelphia. If you remember that character from when they were trying to be pro wrestlers. He's done all kinds of amazing voice acting roles. He plays himself perfectly in Saints Row 4, incredible performance, and Rick Flair called him, quote, the most gifted entertainer in the history of professional wrestling, which is a pretty crazy thing for Rick Flair to do to anyone other than himself. Does that do him justice? Yeah. Just to give anyone context for they live

and rather write a piper. The obey thing that you see everywhere, that you always see like in media and pop culture, where it's obey and it's like the creepy guy, that's from that movie. Yeah, pretty much. So it's in this like gay. Yeah, the obey also is Andre the giant for whatever reason.

Yeah, for whatever reason, the original obey graffiti from Shepherd Faries also WWF wrestler. But I feel like that does him justice, right? I feel like that's a pretty good rowdy, rowdy introduction. Yeah, in terms of like to show his cultural relevancy today, Ronda Rousey recently was in the WWE for the last five or six years. And she's ready to go. She took up his moniker and wears very similar outfits to what he would wear in certain wrestling paper views. They do bagpipes and stuff when he came out. He's like, no, Scottish, but he was definitely like, he embraced the game. Yeah, it was gimmick. Yeah, that's why he's piper actually weirdly. Yeah. But anyway, this story also begins

as too many do often, unfortunately, with the death of another wrestler, Roddy Piper's best pal, a lesser known wrestler called Adrian Adonis on the 4th of July 1988. Adonis wrestled since the 70s with AWA, which is another old promotion, WF, most popularly as the embarrassingly outdated gimmick adorable Adrian Adonis, which was like kind of like a gay character. Pretty much. So this for those of you watching, they just didn't episode on dark side of the ring. Literally three weeks ago on Adrian Adonis, Like this was a very, like one of the first homosexual

on TV characters and was perceived as a villain because of the, it was kind of what? The conversation around homophobia at the time. So it's very much like he was good at being a fake gay bad guy. Yeah. He was very famous for it. Yeah. Also like people forget that this was the time period of wrestling was like the dudes actually hosting the events would

be like boobies every five minutes. They would do lingerie matches. There was a man literally named Valvenus who would do a strip show. And the women in the crowd would be like, yeah, it was a wild experience. It definitely could not be done today. 100%. A Donus feuded with Roddy. One time he came, they threw back to the show and instead of Piper's pit, it was the flower shop with adorable Adrian Adonis. And they were, they were doing, they were, they were feuding and feuding until it culminated in what it's called. It's a very traditional wrestling feud match called the hair hair versus hair match during WrestleMania three where it was actually Roddy Piper's retirement match before he went into acting full time. And it's like one of those things where when you lose, you have to shave your head. Like it came from Lucha Doors where you have to take

your mask off. But it's about hair in American wrestling for that reason. Here's what happened in Roddy's own words from his earlier episode of a show called Celebrity Ghost Stories, which he recorded in 2011, which Gerard will read for you now. Here we go. This is what happened that set this all off. Adrian Adonis was in Newfoundland, driving back from an event with three other wrestlers in the car. In Newfoundland, there's this very high rocky roads. And they don't know if it was a moose or something, you know,

but he tried to avoid it and boom. They went over and all of them died. Everybody died. And similar to how it was with Chris Benoit, his was especially rough for Roddy because Adrian Adonis was basically the soulmate who saved Roddy Piper's life. After leaving home at 12, living out on the street, learning to box and wrestle to survive.

And here's Gerard again with Roddy's words, some nice words they had to say about Adrian Adonis. You see, I didn't have a family. I was definitely prefer a family, Holy Cow. That void got filled with the profession of wrestling. I was 22 years old. There was profession of wrestling. I was 22 years old, there was another young man and he was 22 years old. The name that he wrestled under was Adrian Adonis, and there was chemistry with us. I really loved him, and it was a match

made in heaven as far as the best friend. Now I got to bring you up to 1984. I was a bad guide wrestler, my life was extremely hard. My daughter had just been born and under the pressure of travel, I was getting in a tip with one guy and another guy and I'm not getting along with anybody and it's mostly my fault and we're in this building in Pakeepsie, what's that? Pakeepsie Pakeepsie and I'm yelling and throwing chairs and Adrian comes up to me and says I gotta readjust Adrian comes to me and says pipes pipes, stop, come here.

I'll tell you what's wrong with you, Roddy. You need to buy a house. You've never lived any place. You don't have nothing. You've never settled down. You've got a baby and you're all over the place. Probably within two months, I had a house and he was right. Everything kind of calmed down, you know?

I didn't get in so much trouble. Pretty crazy that your life could be so whacked out that it never occurs to you to like get a home and live in it. Yeah, even with a daughter on the way. And, eerily, just like Benoit and Eddie, Roddy also said that after Adrian Adonis' funeral where he gave the eulogy, he could not bear to do another one ever again and he got really sad about it day to day. But unlike Chris Benoit, as all this was going down, the only thing that was happening mysterious in their lives was that his kids started seeing weird things happening around the house at night while he was out on the road. Like his daughter, Ariel, would say a man would watch her in her room while she was laying there,

and his son Cole would always see he'd strange shadows darting around corners and his youngest daughter Fallon would see a man in the den and his wife would call him upset and it kept getting worse until one day it all came to a head as Gerard will now explain in Roddy's own words. One time coming over from the airport I pulled in the driveway and there's my son Cole. He's just trembling. He's so scared and all he could say is I saw a man in the house. Now my son's telling me that someone is inside my house. I came there to take care of this matter. There's a huge fireplace, two logs had come down and the carpet in front of the fireplace was on

fire. My house was burning down. I took care of that fire and I looked up and it's like a reveal. It was Adrian Adonis. It's Adrian. Adrian looks at me and he's not screaming or anything. He just says, hey Rod, take care of your house, dammit. And then there was nothing. And I just stood there for a long time. I didn't want to leave. I didn't want to leave. I

didn't want to leave the fireplace. I stayed there for the longest time. And I had never seen them before that or since Adrian Adonis was there. And that's a fact. Our house would have been burned down and my brother was just taken care of me. And so he had many, many times before. And you can say whatever you want to. But you know, Adrian was my brother, and he told me to get that house. That's wild. That's a wild story. So yeah, so Chris, that was like his celebrity ghost story episode from two years prior to that. So prior to this show, so back at the house with Kim, Kim Russo, psychics, the celebrity psychic medium. Roddy was reluctant to buy into what Kim was saying about energy and spirits feeding into

his guarded vibes. But he was pretty gung-ho about getting to the bottom of what he experienced that day, and he was really ready to look at his life through a sort of literary style, thematic lens, for some reason. For example, Kim points out he has tons of gargoyles on his property, and Roddy says they're to protect his family from all his demons that he has. And so Kim says, that's interesting because gargoyles are meant to be in hell, but they're trying to get to heaven. And Roddy's like, I know how they feel all serious and shit when she says that. And when Kim, Kim talks about seeing Adrian, and that there's like, there's tons

of spirits here that want to see him share their messages with him. A boys club of people waiting to talk to him. He admits that he never really got over seeing Adrian and he thinks about it like every day of his life. And here's a quote about his demons from the USA today in 2004 for Gerard to read really quick and just what it felt like to be Rady Rady Piper every day. I experienced what we in the profession call the silent stream. You're in your hotel room,

the walls are breathing, panic sets in and you start weeping. It's something all of us go through. Also known as a panic attack. A panic attack like when you're on. Yeah, when you're out and when you're on like fucking steroids and shit. Yeah, that's a good extra bad super super. Yeah. So she starts to freak him out by immediately sensing and asking about his childhood loneliness back on the pause reservation in Manitoba, telling him his grandfather George is there with his Mountie cop father who's approaching in shame for causing Roddy to run away in the first place with his drinking and bullying. She's like, they're here. They're trying to talk to you.

They have messages for you. And he's not really into it. He's kind of like pushing it away, but it creates this sort of like back and forth dialogue. It honestly kind of reminds me of watching wrestlers in the ring where she's like testing him. She's giving him his darkest memories in life. And he's pushing her away and kind of maneuvering her where he wants her to go, trying to make sure she's not manipulating him, but they're kind of settling into rapport and kind of settling down and getting into the talking harder and harder. And then suddenly she makes a big move. She transitions from a crazy mind reading thing where she said his dad was just telling her about some bagpipes that he just cleaned in his den, which was true, and it freaked him out. And it allowed him to smoothly segue into talking about the fireplace incident with Adriene

Adonis without too much fuss. And on their way in, he grabs her a quote, soap up and introduces Kim to his wife, who tells her that she's seen things in the shadows too. And once they're down in the den, she goes even deeper into the talking, leading him very obviously into talking about. She's like, there's this guy here. He comes from a very famous family with like 13 siblings. I'm getting like a big O letter, I'm getting an O, like a big family and he's like, I

don't know what you're talking about. She's like, you know, he like fell from a height, I think. I'm getting like a fell from a height, O, OE, something like that, OE, O-N, and he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. She's like, you know, he like fell from a height. I think I'm getting like a fell from a height. Oh, oh, we something like that. Oh, we, oh, and he's like, oh, and heart 13 kids. I know him. I know him. This is it. And so she kind of like fed it to him, but he decided to grab it.

You know what I'm saying? K Faye, right? And he, if you don't know, Owen Hart died. He was like in a harness above the stage and it fell. And he just like fucking died in a horrible accident In front of a live audience in 1999 was absolutely crazy and then she was like Owen Hart's here. He wants to say thank you Not just front of a live audience in front of the world on television Like it wasn't a live show. It was a pay-per-view. Oh god. She's like Owen Hart's here

He wants to say thank you for how you helped him when he was alive. And Mr. Perfect's here, Kurt Hennings here. He wants to say thank you for being here. And then finally, and she's like, and there's this guy Keith here who's coming. I don't know if you know Keith. And he's like, Keith, that's Adrian's real name. Keith, that's Adrian. And he's like in and he's kind of like, it's like he knows she's fake, but he's like playing, it's wrestling dude, it's crazy.

By now, we're barely even talking about spirits at this point. Roddy's just pouring his higher out to this woman, talking about the message saying, I love you, that he wrote on a picture, that he like brought to where Adrian Adonis drove off the road in a pilgrimage, just like a few months before they shot, that she already knew about somehow, and she gets him to go over to the fireplace and she like walks him through what happened

with the trauma of seeing the ghost and he says he reveals that he's scared of coming into the room and that he barely comes into the room anymore. And then Kim climbs up to the top rope metaphorically. As Roddy's heart is truly breaking, she's on the top rope, she hits him with the fucking swan dive. I don't even know how the fuck that she could have googled this. She says that Adrian is there with them now. And she's and that he's telling her that when Roddy does come down here and sit,

even though he barely comes in here more than like once or twice a year, it's because he's hoping for something to happen. And when she says that, you see it on his face. He's like starts quivering and he can't handle it, and he's ashamed. And he admits that when he comes down here and he's hoping for something, he's hoping that he falls asleep and he never wakes up. He's like, how did you know that?

Bro, that's a joke. Yeah, and it lands, it lands and it's heavy. And it's like, I don't think either one of them was expecting him to say it because when he does say it, Kim is just like, for real? And he's like, yeah. And it's like so crazy. And then Roddy is like now fully bought into the idea that Adrian's here in the room. And maybe Kim just has like fucking balls of steel, or she's the most masterful K-fabe person of all time, or maybe she fucking really does have psychic powers. Who knows? Don't tell me.

Don't tell me. She imposes. No, no, she does not speak. She has nothing about the same. No, no. I was like, no. If she starts acting in flamboyant, I'm drop kicking her. No, no, no, no.

That's over. That does not happen. That does not happen. But instead of realizing that when he was like, I want to kill myself, like when he's like, I wish I died every day. Like instead of backing down what she does instead is she fucking doubles down. She's like, you know what?

Adrian is here and he's actually pissed off at you about that and he's like, what are you thinking man? He's yelling at you right now. He's telling you in the afterlife that you're still not gonna be through with these emotions. You're still gonna have to deal with them even if you're dead and you're still not going to be through with these emotions. You're still going to have to deal with them, even if you're dead, and you've got to have to turn around and you're going to have

to confront them. And he tells her that the pain is with him literally all the time that he's awake. And here's what Roddy said about that pain that he needs to face. And Gerard's words right here to this fucking medium in his house. Um, I've had big issues with that. These guys that you're talking about when they passed away, it's like I lived, but I should have gone at the same time as them. And now, um, they're all gone, and I'm lost. But Kim was ready at this point, she knew it was going to happen. She hits him with the fucking finisher, the fucking clothesline of celebrity psychic medium plays just hitting him in the fucking throw with her elbow.

Which for once we're going to have we're going to have Mathis read it again because again, he's the he's the salty. Yeah, straight out in New York. So here we go. Here we go. You can try it. The same time as the other guys, no. He just said to me, you know, you may not know this, but they consider you a major hero on the other side. They're telling me you're the hero for what you've done, all the good you've been doing for them. He said something about this isn't even exchange. Those shadows are Adrian.

He's been watching out for your family. He told me to tell you that. So that's not, that's not something to take lightly, right? There's two different energies that work here. One of the energy is saying, if you put down your sword, they'll kill you. And Adrian's here telling you, you already won the battle. It's over. There is no more battle.

He said, I wasn't going to let that house burn down. It took him a lot. It took him so long to buy it. And you know what he's telling me now? Make that your damn home. Yeah. So Roddy gets like a second epiphany from Adrian Adonis through this psychic medium who, whether she's magic or not, just gave him one of the wildest and most healing

experiences of his life. She even gave him closure with his father who told her that the only good thing that he ever did was bring Roddy into the world so that he could break the vicious cycle of abuse in his family. And honestly, and which he did, and honestly, whether her advice is just really strong therapist advice, or it's really coming from his dead friends in another realm, he finally has hope. It worked for him. And even though in the end,

it was really just his own decision that it was real, it doesn't really matter. And if that's not K-Fabe, what is K-Fabe, right? That's a tip my therapist gave me. When I was like, I wasn't sure if certain meds were working, but I felt like they might be. She's like, what does it matter? As long as it, as long as it, you see an improvement. Exactly. I think like, that is a weird, but true takeaway, that a lot of the times when people do like this psychic thing or that I talk to dead thing, it doesn't matter. And I guess at the end of the day,

if it's real hearts. Yeah. Yeah. If it gives you something to take away, just like therapy where you can walk away with it and be better, right? I'm always concerned when they do unhealthy shit. Are they like you now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this, I think in this scenario, whether I believe she has powers or not, I think what she did for the man is a good thing that it gave him some closure on a lot of stuff in his life that was really messed up that he was dealing with. And like, yeah, all right.

Yeah, either way, he got a healthier way of dealing with his problems. She also gave him a sweet little, she was like, I have a present for you. And she gave him like a little dragon necklace that he put on like she like put it over his neck and she was like, this is a little dragon necklace and every time you see it you can remember you already fought your demons and that you can relax now and you don't have to be scared and you can put

the sword down and that's what Adrian that's what Keith wants for you. And so that really happens and here's a little last quote from her from mathis to read to close us out and here we go. Looking back when we first met Roddy, he wanted to understand why he was visited by the ghost of his best friend. Many of us, like Roddy, experience tragic loss and effects are so deeply that we are unable to move forward

and land of the living. And sometimes it takes the hand of the dead to reach out and grab our attention, to help us heal and move on. I very much the hand of the dead to reach out and grab me. Roddy Piper lived peacefully for two more years after that before passing away himself in his summer home in Los Angeles in 2015.

And I like to think that he died a happier man than he was when he was alive. I'll tell you what, if you guys want to go down a real sad rabbit hole, there is a WWE Network peacock show where they basically did a legends house, where they got all of these old wrestlers that worked together over several decades and made them live in a house together.

Oh my God. And this rowdy Roddy in there? I believe he is. And there's a lot of fighting, there's a lot of crying, There's a lot of crying. There's a lot of realness in that show and it doesn't feel real. But you can tell that it's like K-Fabe on worn out bodies. They don't know if they're in K-Fabe or not, basically.

Right. It's pretty sad to watch, but for multiple reasons. But... Jarn, thanks so much for coming on the show. I hope you enjoyed this tour of the weirdest wrestling enigmas WWE, and I hope that every wrestler in the WWE and the AEW aren't my enemy now. I love you all. Wrestling is an amazing world. I've only barely scratched the surface of it, and I had a good time telling you about it.

Gerard, where can we send these good people to find more Gerard stuff besides the completion of Superbeard Bros? Tell the world what's going on in your life. Hot one. You can find me on YouTube, you can find me on Twitch, that one video gamer slash the completionist, or you can find me on my new podcast friends per second, starring Jake Baldino of Gamerax, Lucy James of Giant Bomb and GameSpot, and Ralph of Skillup. We do videos and podcasts every fortnight. So that's once every other week. We talk about games, we talk about news, we talk about what we love, what we hate

and everything in between. Did you know that we have a very sizable UK audience Gerard? Does that give you anything to talk about? Some people living in the UK who may wanna see some more Gerard very soon. Oh yes. Yeah.

I will be our effort. Thank you Alex. Thank you. Yeah. I'm a presentation guys. Thank you Alex. I have a one man show called the Completionist Legacy. I'm doing my one and only performance in London in Canaan specifically at a venue called

Dingwalls. September the 24th. it is a Sunday. Tickets are almost sold out, but I'd love for you to show up, especially if you're fans of... Is it just you on the ticket? No, it's myself and Catecharis. Catecharis, Jim Catech is the opening act. He's got 45 minutes before and then I've got 90 minutes after.

So if you weren't in the area... yeah, that's a nice it's a night It's a night and not not to get too excited, but because we're in London I've got some friends from some legendary game studios who are coming in person to see the show fantastical game studios. So just Some would say the last show you should miss it's gonna be fantastic Some should some would say that they, they only appear very rarely, depending on where, where you live. So come on by, it'll be a good time. Thanks for having me guys. A lot of fun. I am not Alex by the way.

I'm Gerard. Yeah. Take us away. Yeah. Alex live in London. Patreon.com slash. Get tickets now at patreon.com slash tonight. Patreon gets now a patreon.com slash to the night. P. See us off to go do a mini so it over at patreon.com slash to the night.

pod and we'll be back next week with the long awaited cryptid grab bags episode. We're going to do some more cryptid next week. I think people are excited for that. And then Jesse I think has the

week after. Jesse thing. Jesse thing. He's becoming back. It was absolutely insane. Last week. I don't know if you listen to it. I want to say I am genuinely considering doing a Jesse racks Patreon exclusive special. You should for the last episode. The reaction got so bad someone reported my account for suicidal tendencies.

I'm ready. After tagging might need to make sure I read their five paragraph post comparing me to Alex Jones It's just like I need to get mods for the sub I have one hundred dude. I'm doing it. I'm doing a full reaction. It's fucking nice. It's your own exclusive You want to hear it? Dude you guys I think that $10,000 guy just signed on I think he's here Someone for listening be back next week. Bye.

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