Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 224 - The Bridgewater Triangle

Episode Date: October 28, 2023

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast episode 223. As always, I'm one of your host Mike Martin joined today by the John Friedman and Florian Symbec of LA, Jesse Nalix. You're already making me Google something. Who the hell does sound like dynotopia characters? Real people. Real people's names. Real people's names.

What are their names again? John Friedman, F-R-I-E-D-M-A-N-N. Possible uapologists. And Florian Symbek. Definite uapologist. No, comedy duos. They both starred in the movie, Erick and Stefan, a German comedy delight that people love from the year 2000.

And they wanted to have great careers afterward. People really love that movie though. It's like four and a half, five stars. I mean, look, I'm a worldly guy, right? Like maybe I've seen him, but, you know, 23 year old German comedy that looks like a double A version of there's something about Mary or dude wears my car.

Yeah. I don't really care which one I am. I gotta say, I don't really feel close to either am. I got to say I don't really feel Close to either of them one way or another call it a cultural as far as I could I could tell they seem to have good careers A cultural miscommunication. I feel like I'm like an alien from arrival compared to this guy Can I actually remind me boys? I've actually added a movie to my repertoire. Is it the arrival? No, it's not. I don't think you'll be able. I really don't think you're gonna guess. This is a very bizarre and kind of strange movie to add to my list of movie scene.

Hocus, focus. No, I have seen that movie though, okay movie. You're the guy, you're the kid from Hocus, actually. It's a movie from 1973. What movie, what movie did you watch? And it's not an English movie. What movie did you watch?

What? I know you had all, you could have chose every movie. Fantastic planet, fantastic movie. Fantastic planet. Fantastic planet. Fantastic planet. What on earth? I am surprised you've never heard of that movie. I thought this was something you would have heard of.

Is this like the slightly animated? Oh no, I know what movie, I know what, yeah. I know what movie is. Yeah, it's all animated, but it's animated weird. Big blue alien, have little humans as pets. Yeah, this sounds like a you film. Yeah, yeah, it was weird. I did not, I wasn't by choice.

It was started without my input and then I was just like, I'm watching it now. Question, who started? The girl, friend. Why? Because I good question. She didn't even know why. She just said it looked interesting

on the streaming service she was using and then hit play. You know what, God bless her. What else was being used at the time? What do you mean? Were you high? I'm always high. Were you high boy? I can't say I liked the movie,

and I don't think I'd ever watch it again, but it was interesting. It was very bizarre. I can't say that I liked it, or that I'd watch it again, but it was interesting. But I saw it, I saw through the whole thing. I did, I'm very proud of myself. And I figured I'd also bring it up.

I felt like an animal rights movie in a bizarre way. It was so amazing that he watched a movie that even though He did not like it and will not watch it again. He wanted to talk about it. I did it was such a weird fucking Yeah, yeah, yeah, well wait what I don't want to say to get old, but I just need to tell somebody You can tell us if you murdered somebody over at patreon.com slash chaluminati.com. Please don't do not. Don't do that. Conquest to your crimes on our fine website.

Do not bring your horrible shame to our ad free episodes or to our rotten popcorn show, or to our minisodes, or to our custom bespoke art from Mel, the greatest artist that we've ever worked with in this capacity, or what is happening? You know, any of the other great things on our Patreon. Jesse, I'm not sure what's happening right now. This is a stretch, okay?

This is a stretch. He's stuck getting like in real life. Do not bring your murder to any of that That's I'm just going off the segway you tossing you said could I could I like create a can I create a share your murder or tear? No, do not share your Million dollars, please do not share if you are a murderer I'm close at the bottom like no guarantee we won't tell the cops right? My new murderer. Here's at the bottom like no guarantee we won't tell the cops right. My new advertising campaign is if you are a murderer, please do not sign up at patreon.com slash shumanade pod. Thank you. And how about this? Ha ha we got you this is the actual great benefit

of being on the patreon for free. You get a beautifully recorded live recording of our show in Los Angeles. That show that we just did in Los Angeles, it's yours for free. If you're out there and you don't wanna sign up for our Patreon, if you're crazy and you don't wanna sign up for our Patreon, you can just buy it at the same at our Patreon.

Just come to patreon.com slash shamanball. Are we also doing another show? Should we advertise that? Yeah, so here's, yeah, yeah, we got all kinds of shit. So December 3rd, a Telegraph Ballroom, the tickets, I don't think are gonna be on sale for another few days. What do you mean? That's what I mean. I don't get to make that choice. Let's get them tickets on sale. Yeah, get your get your wallets ready, motherfucker.

Those are gonna be for sale. Be at the Telegraph ballroom again, but also on top of getting the audio of the live show in that package, you're going to get the poster, the digital poster that went with the show and a video edited to get with the audio together in time with the PowerPoint presentations that were the first half of that show. Mattis loves a PowerPoint. I don't know if you've never seen a slide. You might not know that Mattis loves a PowerPoint. And you're going to learn and you will see how good he is at making PowerPoints.

And the answer is he's like a four out of ten Maybe like a three out of ten on this on this on the style scale, but in terms of heart He's like the Grinch because it's three sizes too big you feel me. Hey the Grinch after he found love. That's right And yeah, and that's a big heart. I'd be I'm a little bit worried about the Grinch actually But please patreon.com slash ChimonyPod. Buy the old show, listen to it, sign up for the Patreon and get it for free. It's all happening now. Get ready to buy tickets for a show someday on December 3rd.

Maybe by the time this episode is out, the tickets will be live. But I don't know. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We can't. We can't sell them. We can't sell them. We can't sell them. We can't sell them. We can't sell them. We can to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to sell them. We just want to happened there. No, I am so excited. That's it. Okay. Yeah, Jessie's also excited We're all gonna be where I sent a hat for Mathis

A thon show Okay, yeah, no, you know what don't help him. Don't help him. Let him get the hype going. I have to work on my improv somehow. Yeah, let him go. This is all I can do. He wants you to wear a Santa hat at the show because it's on December 3rd, 22 days before Christmas.

Right, he wants you to show up in a Santa hat in front of this thing. I don't want, I'm gonna spoil it for you right now. I don't know if I'm gonna make this thing Christmas themed. Okay, okay. I'm gonna spoil it for you right now. I don't know if I'm gonna make this thing Christmas themed. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna spoil it for you right now. I don't care. Yeah. You just want the sand hats. I just want the same head. So there's another Christmas thing. How about this? Any sort of... We can be jolly. Then let me revise it. Instead of just sand hats. Let's open this up. Let's diversify this. Any sort of

long Ebenezer Scrooge-esque sleeping cap will do. Anything that's long and triangle-shaped? Oh my god. Time out. Boys, boys, shut up. Shut your mouth. Be quiet. Okay. Follow me here. Yes. Can we create? Do we have the time? So imagine instead of the white brim, neon green, the top part instead of red, black the little doglet the end instead of a poofball alien face can we make him sell those what are we doing wrong i will message the yaddy tonight what if it's what if it's the july not the logo at the time that is the craziest he's a flouching dice it's up into a perfect triangle point she's like a worse beanie merchandise. It goes up into a perfect triangle point. She's like a worse beanie.

But it's for the holiday. It's like a non-denominational Chaluminati holiday triangle. Only five will ever be made. Each cost $1,000 a piece. Yeah. Good. What do we hear for today? What's the vibes? Today is a fun vibe. I'm actually really excited about this one because it's just a one-off episode, but there's a lot to talk about. Today, we're talking about the Northeast kind of paranormal flap that's known as the Bridgewater Triangle. The immediate thoughts are gonna be like

Bermuda Triangle, obviously. But do you guys know anything about the Bridgewater Triangle? What, so ever? I feel like we talked about it briefly once. We did it on the live show like years ago. Very quickly. You talked about it. Like, yeah, like briefly.

And I know that it's like a New England land base. I mean, it sounds northeastern American. Very, very, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's the actual where to locate it is nestled south. Is it in a southeast part of Massachusetts? There lies a 200 square southeast part of Massachusetts. There lies a 200 square mile stretch of land, sat between the towns of Abington, Rehobeth, and Freetown.

Within this triangle paranormal titillation, the towns of Brockton, Easton, Bridgewater, Rain, and Berkeley, Dytin, and Tautin also reside within the Bridgewater Triangles boundaries. And much like the Bermuda Triangle, it's not, there's no, like, hyper-specific pieces of land that are like, if it's on the edge of the Bridgewater Triangle, sometimes it's considered part of it, sometimes it's not. Much like the Bermuda Triangle and how that area can often change depending on who's talking about it

and where it's being talked about. Bridgewater Triangle has similar issues as well. And unlike the Bermuda Triangle has similar issues as well. And unlike the Bermuda Triangle, where ships and planes are often thought to vanish without a trace, the Bridgewater Triangle is much more akin to like a beacon to the paranormal world.

Well, yes, people have gone missing within the Triangle. It's more so a paranormal flap, if you want. Skinwalker vibes. Exactly, so the Skin walker ranch vibes. Yeah. It's something of, and unlike, say, the Bermuda triangle, the bridge water triangle is something of a quote unquote new hotspot and paranormal activity,

kind of only defined in the 1970s. While we do have lots of stuff that occurred in that area prior, the actual boundaries of this place were defined in the 70s. And at the center of this paranormal location sits the Hachemok swamp, a place of historical importance and archaeological importance. And we're going to get a lot of fun names like that Hachemok swamp because we're going to talk about a little bit of history here.

Now during the 17th century, the Hachemok swamp was used as a fortress of sorts by the Wampanoag tribe. That was the predominating tribe of natives in the area who were fighting and defending against an invasion by early English settlers. The Wampanoag are Native American people of the Northeastern woodlands based in southeastern Massachusetts and historical parts of eastern Rhode Island. My home state, shout out to the small historical parts of eastern Rhode Island. My home state shout out to the small ass state of Rhode Island. You can drive from top to bottom in 45 minutes. I miss that place sometimes. It's also trash. I hate it.

Complicated relationship. I do have a very complicated relationship with Rhode Island. You know, it's just such a weird state. It got bank. You know, we had fucking that Boston fucking what's his name? the pitcher who started studio 76 and then bankroll curtail Rhode Island curt chilling the bloody sock. Yeah, that guy. And then I remember I was living in Rhode Island at the time. The government was auctioning off like the desks from where like their office was. Oh my god. They're 76 million. I think it was or something like that back because they didn't make it back with that first game they launched kingdom of Amelor. Yeah, kingdom of the Amelor age of reckoning and then because they

were working on an MMO in that same world. Didn't do so well. But regardless, the territory historically includes the islands of Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. Today, there are two known Wampanoag tribes that are federally recognized them. The Mashpee Wampanoag tribe and the Wampanoag tribe of Gayhead, also known as Akina. The fortress played a huge role in Jesse. I feel like you're going to enjoy this little part of this story because it's the only historical part we're going to talk about here. The fortress played a key role in King Philip's war. Do you know much about King Philip's war?

Jesse, was that a specialty of yours? I don't know what part of history you taught. No, it was not a specialty of mine. I barely know anything about that at all, to be honest. Well, I'll teach you a small bit here. This fortress played a huge role in King Phillips War as a strategic base of operations for King Philip, whose actual name was Metacombe the chief. He was the chief that they gave the name King Philip to. Interesting. So when you say King Philip or King's Philip's war, it's actually referring to the chief of the Wampanoag. So it's like a mocking term. Almost. Yeah. That's how I see it. I didn't read any huge history books for this part,

just bits in here and there. But this is this like some dude being called the emperor. Yes. Yeah, very much so. Yeah. So this fortress they use within the swamp was extremely well defended because swamp like territory is hard to navigate in the first place. And during the 18th and 19th century, your American settlers deemed the swamp to be worthless of barren land and attempted to drain it and convert it into a profitable farmland. Reverend and historian William L. Chafen of Easton was an early advocate of the drainage schemes. And guess what, I didn't fucking work. They were not able to drain the swamp and have farmland on there.

It is still a swamp to this day. That however, the natives of the region placed a higher value on the swamp. For centuries, they'd relied on the swamp as a place to hunt game there, as many creatures would come to drink, and the swamp had gained a revered status among them, and they named it Haka Monk, the Haka Monk, the Algonquin term meaning place where spirits dwell. In addition to life-sustaining activities like hunting, much of the swamp served a dual purpose as a sacred burial ground. The Haka Mock is occasionally referred to as the swamp of blood and wounds, I think.

The Wampanoch worshiped and feared the Habamok, which is a mysterious cryptid-like creature that lives there, known as the chief deity of death and disease. So the Habamok lives in the Haka Mock, and the Habamok is the chief deity of death and disease. So the Habamak lives in the Haka Mok, and the Habamak is the chief deity of death and disease. So that is an Elden Ring boss right there. I, man, I bet you I fought a couple of those in that game. Yeah. Habamak composed of human souls of the dead,

which were known to congregate in the areas like it. And thus, the terms Haka Mok andapa Mok became interchangeable among non-natives when referring to the swamp or the spirit. So in a lot of times, when it became part of the English knowledge and in language, we just started swapping the two names. And short, this place was primed basically to be a primo-paunted zone. We're talking haunted hospitals, cryptids of all kinds, Thunderbird sightings, UFO sightings, murders, ritualistic, a devil worshiping murders, puck wadges, poltergeists, ghosts, and hell

in the bridgewater triangle, even Lizzie Borden's house resides within those barriers. Now, we're not going to talk about Lizzie Borden in this episode because I lived in that, I lived very close to this and Lizzie Borden was a huge part of just like growing up and having the kind of like those like the stories about like horror stories about like that kind of shit. Right. The real story of Lizzie Borden is fucking fascinating. Same.

I will completely cover it one of these days moving forward. I actually can't believe we haven't already. That's like a huge one, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Thank you to Canva for sponsoring today's episode. And part of the job being a podcaster, as you've talked about a bunch with Canva, because they're just really good at making this part of my job super easy, is the visual stuff. It's kind of like something I didn't think about when I started up the project.

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war was filled with some of the worst brutality I fucking ever read about in wars like this. Beyond the fact that it's considered one of the US's most devastating conflicts with an estimated one in ten soldiers killed on both sides and 1200 colonists homes burned to the ground, more interestingly, by the time King Philbs were truly started, an active conflict began. A huge portion of the Wampanocht people had already been killed off by what else, smallpox, of course. And the colonists believe this would be a simple move in and take over scenario. They just used biological warfare first, and when they deemed most of them that were dead they started to move in to try and take it over.

But it wasn't as much as an easy win as they had hoped and the Wampanoch people held them off for a long time. This war is also considered the bloodiest war per capita in US history. To give just a small example of the kind of violence that occurred, we're talking limb removal as an extremely common way of killing people and torturing them. And when the Wampanoag people lost their chieftain, a guy who had been shot by a man called John Alderman, we learned that the guy who shot the Wampanoag chief was actually a Wampanoag man who switched sides because the religion kind of convinced him.

And the Wampanoff people called him a praying Indian. Geez. Because he kind of just switched over to the colonist side and he was kind of working dual purpose. He shot the chief didn't he killed them and the English decapitated the chief didn't corpse. Jammed his now free mind quote unquote and you like that.

I mean, I don't know about that. On a pike and paraded it around there to, their colonists villages for a few days until they decided on displaying the Chieftains head at the front of the fort where it sat for three fucking decades. Fuck. For 30 years. That is absolutely insidious. They kind of collection of natives heads that they decapitated off their corpses that

sat alongside it. They just as part of a thing. He would come in a fucking adator swear at it. All kinds of stuff, you know, the colonists would. Among many, like I said, many of the other heads that they were decapitated by, from the natives, but their biggest trophy, and some believe the actual origin point of the other heads that they were decapitated from the natives, but their biggest trophy and some believe the actual origin point of the haunting is the missing Wampum belt. So to put simply a Wampum belt is a belt that was created in display and that was created and also displayed the history of their people in a visual medium.

So you would like. So it's literally like the entire, everything of this entire tribe history. Yeah. Yeah. You can Google Wampum belts. There are other ones that are out there. But to these people, this was taken as a, as a prize. And while it was always worn by the chief, the belt was like a community thing. It was like it belonged to the community, worn by the chief because he's just the head of the tribe. The belt itself would be sent back to Europe as a spoil of war. And after it went on the boat and left, it vanishes from history.

It goes missing entirely. We don't know if it was lost at sea. We don't know if it made it all the way over to Europe and got lost somewhere over there. It's been gone. And over 400 years later, their historians, archaeologists, and more still trying to track down that belt to this day. Articles as recent as 2022, talking about people trying to still find this thing.

And there's a large portion of people who believe that returning this belt, where it belongs, would finally end the centuries of haunting that has that has been plaguing bridge water triangle. If you know, you want to hook it onto the mythology like a ghost busters types of. Yeah, it's like, uh, yeah, it's like the same closing thing. Hell mouth and Buffy. But a genuine, but genuinely the, the, it was taken and gone and literally we don't know where it is. Nobody knows where it went and it's not been found since we have no fucking clue. But even before this bloodiest water or current, you're a soil, the Hockamok swamp was seen as a nearly sacred, sacred place to the Wampanoag people, a place where they frequently hunted and placed and they said buried their dead and not even that long ago.

We're talking a couple years ago, if I remember correctly, archeologists discovered more bodies in there that dated back somewhere about 8,000 years ago. What what? That's like, this place has been being used for thousands of years, just like dead people, like under the bog and like just tons of bodies, deep, deep, deep down that people are still standing.

They have carbon dated the body. I will have to find you the article I used. I will. 8,000 years? Excavation of the Hockamuck and its immediate surrounding areas on the Taunt River produce very important archaeological findings dating back to the early archaic period of North America. The early archaic was approximately 9,000 to 8,000 BP before present. Huh. Okay, I mean,000 BP before present. Huh.

Okay, I mean, I have to believe you then. Taylor Williams be a bifurcated point concentration and the other source is history of the titty cut site, the wild and scenic Taunton River. Touch Hey when that happens? From 2018. 8,000, like, oh, that's crazy dude. Yeah, I was like, that's when I read that, I was like that's when I read that I was like that's bananas I have to put that in there that's like impossible for me to even like ideate on like what was going on over here

1946 but couldn't those just be like early humans getting caught in a swamp. Yeah, that's no Yeah, yeah, that's probably what it is. They don't really know like if okay So there's nothing like this was the murder site for thousands of years. No, it's just more, I'm just saying more bodies are being found. From 1946 to 1951, the Warren K. Morehead chapter of the Massachusetts Archaeological Society worked under director Maurice Robbins to honor the Titty Cut site. The Titty Cut site located along the Taunt and river and bridge water produced thousands of artifacts dating from the early archaic to the contact period, 8600 to 400 BP before present, including hearth and pits, post molds, red paint, ceremonial deposits,

and a rectangular lodge floor. In addition to these examples of life at the time was the discovery of the taunt and river by fur kitc, bifurcate arrowhead. 13 of these points used in hunting, large game animals were discovered. And the Nan Kitasit River site, which runs from Lake Nipiniket through Hachemok Swamp, also produced bifurcated points, arrowheads from that time. Crazy. So it's just that we forget how long people have been like living in what we now know as you know, in the United States. Well, before in what we now know as United States.

Well, before. It's crazy that we're like the new world. It's like, no, that shit was not new, bro. Yeah. A new world at all. Yeah. There's genuine history there. It's like, of thousands and thousands of years ago.

inconceivable to me. It's hard. Yeah, it's really hard to wrap your mind around. I have no idea. Like, I can't even place myself anywhere mentally near anything. What that would be like. It's hard, yeah, it's really hard to wrap your mind around. I have no idea, like, I can't even place myself anywhere mentally near anything what that would be like. It's so awesome. Yeah, it's, I, that's exactly how I walked away with it.

It's like a fantasy. It's like fantasy. It's like magical fantasy. It's like an un, it's like an unimaginable time. It's crazy. Yeah. And so as the centuries wore on, the Bridgewater Triangle would continue to see, obviously, death in the 70s and 80s in particular.

In 1978, the body of a random teenager, Mary-Lewa Ruta, it was found tied to a tree in the forest after four trials and a series of appeals. James Cater was found guilty of the murder and sentenced to life without parole. In 1979, satanic cult members murdered three young women involved in a fall river prostitution ring. The bodies of two of the women that were found elsewhere with their skulls crushed, their hands and legs lashed together, and only the mutilated skull of the third victim was recovered. Police investigators located, locating evidence of devil worshipping activity at several

locations in the forest, believe the victims were lured by the cult and slain and ritualistic sacrifice. We're gonna talk way more about that in a little bit, but we're talking true devil worshipping people, not Satanists who are not remotely related to devil worshippers in any way. Satanists are the kind of more atheistic,

like a specific devil. We're talking about people literally worshipping the devil. You're like, like the devil worshippers are worshipping the actual devil in a way that like they think they can conjure him into reality and trade their souls for amazing things. You know, they're that's what they were doing. Three cult members are later convicted of the murders of all that happened, of what happened there. In 1983, a healthy newborn male infant is abandoned in an area of the forest just off Route

24 and later dies from exposure. His parents are never identified. In 1987, a sled dog runner discovers the body of a fall river drifter who is beaten. If you don't know what a drifter is, people who kind of hitchhike and are usually seeing it like truck stops and kind of travel around the country in such a way. Not like a dude with like a sick whip. No, usually they're almost poor and, you know, need more help than they're getting. So yeah, they found beaten shot three times and then set ablaze by four men who believed

he was a police, police informant. This was in in free town police chief Carlton, Abbott, Jr. then a patrolman responds and finds quote, a grotesque scene. In 1988, two men are found naked and dead from shotgun wounds in a wooded area of dark, of Dartmouth adjacent to the state land. The same year, the body of Elizabeth Gregory buried in a remote forest cemetery after her death in 1868 at the age of 86 is stolen from her grave, cult activity was suspected. And in 1991, an 18 year old youth is stabbed, beaten and left for dead during a drug deal

gone or bad. His assailant steal his boots and bury him under leaves, but he's found alive after three days and the victim suffers brain damage and frostbite later losing both of his legs. And the police and state officials investigate an unrelated series of physical and sexual assault. There's a brief look. We're going to look at a couple more in greater detail later, but to give you an idea, yeah, that was from 1970 to 1990, just that handful of fucking crimes all got committed. Like every year a new crime was happening

in there. And it's really tough to know when we're kind of approaching this bridge water triangle with such so many things to talk about, like where to start. But once we get going, don't be surprised when this starts to sound almost like a Chaluminati highlight reel. Everything that's happened in the swamp is something we've covered in some fashion. Then a surprising twist on the ultraviolence, the incredible amount of UFO encounters dating back as far as the 1760s, where the very first one on record that we have was a group of people in 1760, seeing a quote unquote ball of fire.

In fact, balls of fire often seen in the sky by these people, but it's incredibly important to know that this particular instance that had been recorded, swamp gas might not be that far off from the truth, at least back then. And with the amount of corpses we learned or corpses we learned, and how long that swamp has been used over the thousands of years, compounded with the methane created by rotting plants already in a swamp like area, and you have an absolute 100% science-backed guarantee that there's gonna be some sort of swamp gas. And that shit, not only ignites, but in my research, I

learned swamp gas can also cause you to hallucinate and trip balls, which is a reason more than one person has wandered out into the swamp to get themselves trapped and killed. This is something that happened often. You're talking, we're talking like sediment and methane coming together, bubbling up, hitting oxygen, and then, pfft. Hate when sediment and methane come together, man. Yeah, yeah. Like this is like a place where swamp gas actually is something to think about when seeing these, when reading about these 1760s. Yeah, the thing about swamp gas is that it's not a fake thing. It's just that it's a dumb

excuse for most alien side. Yes. There are very specific points where it's not a fake thing. It's just that it's a dumb excuse for most alien sightings. Yes, there are very specific points where it's a real serious dangerous thing. You gotta be careful of sometimes. Yeah, same thing with the excuse of ball lightning. Ball lightning is a true scientific thing that does and can't happen. There's actual video.

It has occurred. Yes, it has occurred. But one sighting, the one sighting we're talking about in 1760s, interesting and maybe notable because it was seen by multiple people, a ball of fire that burned so bright, quote, it cast shadows in bright sunlight. And the sound it made was more audible during the middle of the burst of light than in the beginning. That's, but that's really all we have of the sighting.

Like that's, that's all we know. And that doesn't really do much to deter swamp gas because everything in the 1760s that wasn't understood is God or witchcraft. So this is probably just swamp gas bubbling forward. But sightings like this can be found and read about for centuries. I want to look at two in particular that occurred relatively close to each other. We have a lot of documentation on and that were what I consider the more credible UFO sightings here in the bridge water triangle. And the very first one we're going to talk about is in December of 1976 in Totten, Massachusetts,

multiple drivers saw what they could only describe as two huge UFOs landing near Route 44. And sightings can be found and read about from 1973 all the way up to present day, and then in March of 1979, two men from the new station, WHGH, saw another UFO's correening through the sky. The first one we're going to talk about though, is October 1973, and is often considered one of the most credible UFO sightings we have ever documented. And the reason? It wasn't seen by civilians on the ground or grandpa Joe in the back drinking another Bud Light, it was seen by four men flying a military helicopter, which would then which would require them all for them to be completely sober.

Moreover, they were seen as military men of impeccable character when journalists were asking people around them. And I'll read through it and then I'm going to show you pictures, all four boys, the art of the government document, they all signed, the pictures they drew for the government and other things. Can't wait. It's fucking crazy.

The captain of this helicopter told his tale to a Cleveland reporter almost immediately and subsequently relate it to a national television audience on Dick's Cabot on the Dick Cabot show. To date, I don't know anything about the Dick Cabot show. I know nothing about it. I imagine it's a talk show. He ultimately made a report of his time in the sky over Charles Mill Lake to the United Nations. He told the Special Political Committee of the UN, quote, as a result of my experience,

and convinces object was real, and that these types of incidents should require a thorough investigation. End quote. The captain of the helicopter that night was Larry Koyne, and his name is often used as a reference to the event, which is known as the, quote, coin incident or the man's field encounter. I knew it as a man's field encounter.

I had never heard it called the Koyne's incident before. It was around 11 p.m. when the US Army Reserve reserved Huey, passed over Richland County, Huey as in helicopter, passed over Richland County, flying from Columbus to Cleveland. There were four listed men aboard and one of them casually mentioned to the captain that he could see a red light in the distance that was oddly out of place. Within moments, it became obvious to them that the odd light was in motion and that it was moving very quickly toward the helicopter on a collision course, which is a incredibly common report seen by pilots of both private and public aircraft even today. The captain took immediate evasive action, diving his craft out of the path of the unidentified

object that was closing at a terrific speed. And suddenly, the object stopped and still mid-air right in front of them, slightly above them. It cast a spotlight on them that was a brilliant green in color and paused for a moment to scan the army boys who were staring back wide-eyed in a maze. Like the light kind of came on over them and then hit the helicopter as as a whole. And then without just as quickly as it arrived, it buzzed off over Mansfield. When the men in uniform stopped freaking out, they realized that their helicopter was 2000 feet higher in the sky than they ought to be. And that somehow during their encounter, the craft had lifted far above their normal flight path, even in spite of the evasive dive that the helicopter had undertaken.

They needed to refuel, but rather than drop in at the Mansfield airbase where they saw the aircraft head off to for a fill up as they hadn't intended, they peeled out and went to Cleveland and arrived there with the gas gauge on empty. The pilot stated that he was, quote, so frightened that he wanted to leave that area immediately. One of the reasons why the and mansion on the counter remained so intriguing is because the sighting was corroborated on the ground as well. Driving along Route 430 that night, a mom and her kids were so astonished by the lights in the sky that they pulled over to watch. Commenting on the brilliant green illumination shining down around them, the mother said,

quote, I don't know if I can describe the color of the light. It was real, real bright and absolutely beautiful. It was wonderful to see, but yet it was so frightening at the same time. I wanted the kids back in the car to get home as fast as possible. It scared me. So I'm going to first, I'm going to send you the art, the pieces, the article that were signed, all saying that like they all saw the same thing, they all kind of like are saying they saw the same thing.

So that's their signature, the thing they all signed, saying they all encountered the same exact thing. Okay. Lovely signature. Yeah. Declaration of Independence. So the next thing is a kind of breakdown. Length of observation from a witness account

done professionally by the government itself. And if you can try and describe what you're seeing to everybody. It's like data, it's talking about kind of like, it's kind of like a reenactment of the helicopter moving across the sky and kind of giving sort of like notes and kind of giving like a visual reference for how close. Groundland, this is where the city to the airport, elevation notes, and it looks like it just kind of goes in,

dips down, and then kind of zips up. At the very top, you have like the laps seconds that happen, you can see where their trajectory was going, and how they somehow ended up 2000 feet higher over the town. And then the thing, the last thing I sent you is a drawing of the thing, and two of the men in the helicopter, each independently sketched the UFO they saw,

and both drawings are basically the same. They're basically exactly the same. So what you're seeing is a handcrafted, like, I guess you could call it, maybe cigar shaped. It's hard to tell. It's like a, it might be just your typical UFO circle. It's like one of those ones that has like rocket juice coming out the back. I don't know how to describe it.

The juice is the green light though. That's the man. But it's like there's this one type of alien craft drawing that you always see that it looks like a joint. Like it like the cigar shape, like flying cigar. Yeah, it's not really a cigar though. It's like more of a joint. Like I mean, I don't, but in this case, looking at this,

this looks like a flying joint with green gas coming up the azimuth. You're smoking it and green. Green herb juice is coming up the back. Now we're talking with weed. It's got a light, a constant green light. Spewing out the back, it moves similar to a spotlight, only brighter. But here's my problem, it moved similar to a spotlight, only brighter.

Yeah. But here's my problem is that the constant bright red light in the front and the constant green light in the back has like man made plane vibes to it. You know what I mean? Well, you got to be visible because you could. It is the two colors that airplane wings usually are. Yeah, it is what would be undescribable is the way it moved, how it moved to the fact that it stopped that in front of them, hovered for a while.

And it was so bright that even the people on the ground could see it, like it was basking the people in the ground in green light. So either this plane has a hyper hyper hyper bright green light or this plane was flying extremely close to the ground, or it's really good fucking camouflage for people who look up in the sky and see something that might not recognize, but they see the green and red blinking lights and they just pass it off as a plane. Yeah.

You're right. I mean, look, I didn't see this. Yeah, this is the drawing. Yeah, regardless. We have the paperwork. It was reported to the government. The four guys all signed on and said the same thing. We have, you know, as good evidence as this actually happened.

It looks like a joint to me. Yeah, a little bit of a joint to me. Now that you mentioned it, it didn't click with me as a joint at the time, but I was in, it was an alien world. So you know, I wasn't really thinking about it. I get it. But that's like the best UFO encounter we have from that area. I want to move on now from a UFO encounters to cryptid encounters.

One particular cryptid specifically that is often found in Hokamon. We talk about my man, the puck wudgy. No, we talked about him before, but we will talk about him briefly. No, we're talking about the thick, we're gonna nestle ourselves on the thick, comfy fur of the Hokomok swamp monster. Okay, all right.

Which is, perhaps, what is your imagining, a big foot-like ape, but closer like something that people describe as like the swamp ape of Florida. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got a consistent stink that kind of follows it around. Like a gnarly sort of nasty boy. Nasty gnarly boy. Yeah, man thing.

Swamp thing vibes. Yeah, exactly. One of the most well known sightings of the Haka Muck swamp monster occurred in 1972 when a group of teenagers were hiking in the area. The teenagers reported seeing a large, hairy creature that was standing on its hind legs that looked at least seven feet tall. The creature reportedly stared at the teenagers for a few moments before taking off and disappearing into the woods.

Another notable sighting of the Haka-Mokok Swamp Monster occurred in 1975 when a police officer was on patrol in the area. The police officer reported seeing a large, dark creature that was running across the road. The creature reportedly stopped and looked at the police officer before much like the teenage boys, with in moments turning off and walking and disappearing into the woods. There have been numerous sightings of the HackeMokoswap Monster reported over the years. Some witnesses have described seeing the creature walking on two legs while others are reported

seeing it running on all fours. The creature has also been described as having a variety of different features, including large eyes, sharp teeth, and very long claws. And obviously there's no scientific evidence to support the existence of the Haka-Mokoswap Monster, just lots and lots of stories. On November 6, 1976, a group of four hunters, not paranormal hunters, regular hunters, were hunting deer in the Huckamok Swamp. The hunters were split into two pairs, with each pair hunting a different section of the

Swamp. At around 10am, one of the pair of hunters, consisting of a man named Jim and his son, heard a loud noise coming from the woods. They turned around and what they saw was a large hairy creature standing up on its hind legs Somewhere about eight feet tall they wrecked a call and it had a thick coat of dark fur Jim and his son were startled and took off but the creature reportedly ended up following them for a short distance Before turning off breaking away and disappearing into the woods like they felt threatened took off, but the creature reportedly ended up following them for a short distance before

turning off, breaking away and disappearing into the woods. Like they felt threatened. Yeah, they were running from it. They were scared and they thought it was chasing them. But then maybe like any wild animal, if it steams it, you were not no longer a threat, it probably just broke away and broke off. The other pair of hunters who were located about a quarter mile away from where they were also heard the noise and saw the creature, and they too ran away, but that creature didn't follow them. The hunters reported the site to the police who investigated the area but found no evidence,

and however the hunters account was corroborated by several other witnesses in the area, including a man who said he saw the creature crossing the road while he was driving home from work. One thing we learned about the Haka Mock Swampter, he's always Haka Mock Swamp monster, he's always crossing the street. What it's that about? I was just blaming on,

we're moving into his land. This is his place, he's got a, So you think he's just like a fucking, he has like a, He's like Shrek, he's Shrek in the swamp, get out of his fucking swamp. So he's just stepping on the road to like scare the shit out of people.

He's like, but- Okay, the suriting his alphaness, he's asserting his alphaness. That's fucked up. Okay, okay. In 1976, I can't believe nobody hit some. Another 1976 site, I rather the 1976 site of the Huckabock Swap Monster,

is another one of the more well-known ones, along with the June 20th, 1980s citing by a woman named Mary who was sitting on her porch in Taunt and Massachusetts when she saw a large, dark creature. What else? Run across her yard. The creature was reportedly about seven feet tall, thick coat of fur that was very dark, and Mary was startled and ran inside their house, but the creature reportedly continued running across the yard

and then disappeared into the woods. So apparently just like, it ran across, I guess the yard was really big. She got really scared and ran inside, watched it from the outside. It didn't seem to care that she ran away because it just kept darting across the yard and disappearing into this one.

What do you say dart? I'm just like, you know, it's got arms like. We're talking like a hundred miles an hour or like the speed of a man. Probably the speed of a man, maybe a little faster. Okay. You know, it's got a large gate, you know, a seven or eight feet tall.

What? Why are you shaking your hands, pussy? I just, I'm listening. What do you want me to say? I don't know, what's the mind? That's like always. Yeah, this is what it does. I'm listening. Listen, do you want me to say? I don't know. What's the mind? That's like always. Yeah. Listen, listen, listen.

Listen, fine. We'll move away. We'll move away from the Hucka Muck Swamp monster. We're talking a little bit more about the Pucka Muck. What? The red eye dog that sleeps and sends in bridge water triangle. Now that is a goose bumps book. In 1973, a group of teenagers were camping in the Hucka Muck Swamp, which I don't know why you would do that.

That sounds like a terrible idea. 33, a group of teenagers were camping in the Huckabock swamp, which I don't know why you would do that. That sounds like a terrible idea. And they were when they were awakened by a strange noise, the teenagers got out of their tent and saw a large black dog with bright red eyes standing in the clearing nearby. The creature was reportedly about, and it's going to be funny, like six feet tall if it was to stand on its hind legs, also with thick fur and very dark fur, but it wasn't, but it was on all fours and wasn't standing tall.

The teenagers were startled, ran back to their tent, but the creature reportedly followed them and hung out outside their tent for several minutes, waiting for them. And after a few minutes, this like went by and they did not leave their tent, they could hear it leave off into the woods and the crunching foliage until it was gone. The teenager story was obviously met with skepticism, but corroborated by another witness who was also camping in the area that night where he saw the same creature running through the woods and that its red eyes were glowing in the dark. The sighting of a giant red eye dog is one of the more like bizarre cases and less common ones out here, but there are a couple people that like saw it and believe this is a red

eye dog. Nobody got a gun and shot it. So I have no idea if it's the same wolf from skin walker ranch, but it'd be cool if there was. If it was that is hardcore. That's like a fucking horror movie encounter. Now we'll talk quickly about puckwudges. Yeah.

Puckwudges are also known to be in the bridge water triangle and our very first live show we ever did. This is what we were talking about. So for those who don't know, we're just going to give you a brief overview of what the puckwudge is. That I was on stage. My knees slipped with beer and piss. According to legend, puckwudies can appear and disappear at will, shape shift of which

the most common form is a creature that kind of looks like a porcupine from the back and like a troll and slash human from the front. It's there and lures people to their death, uses magic, launches poison arrows and likes to create fire. Native Americans believe that Puckwagies were once friendly to humans, but then turned against them and our best left alone. According to lore, a person who annoyed a puck wadgey would be subject to nasty tricks by it or subject to being followed by the puck wadgey who would cause trouble for them. They're known to kidnap people, push them off of cliffs, attack their victims with short knives and spheres and

use sand to blind their victims. They got pockets and they got spears and pockets and dude. What is this? What the fuck is a sphere dude? What is this tiny spear because they're tiny. Oh a spear dude. I thought you were saying spear. Spir-ear.

I was like, what is that what are they doing knives and spears? Yeah, okay. I'm with you now. I was like, what is that? What are they doing? Nives and spears. Yeah. Okay. And with you now, puck wedges are said to be the enemies of cultural, culture heroes, the giant moushop in his wife, Granny Squannet, another. And one story from walking, we're not going to talk, we can't talk about all this stuff right now. We're going to have to blast by it.

But one day we'll talk more about it. Canonically, these things are level one monsters and they give you five EXP. Yeah, very much. That's exactly what they are. They're there to annoy you. And if they kill you, it's because you weren't paying attention. You pushed you five EXP. Yeah, very much. That's exactly what they are. They're there to annoy you. And if they kill you, it's because you weren't paying attention. You pushed you off a cliff.

Yeah. So there are heroes to like a few native, like kind of mythological people. One story from Wampanoch folklore explains that they began causing mischief and tormenting the natives out of jealousy of the devotion and affection the natives had from Moushop, who eventually exiled them to different parts of North America. The Puckwoods have since been hostile to humans and took revenge by killing Moushop's five sons.

Some variations even suggest that they killed Moushop himself. Lino's a lot of detail there, but you can go read it up on it. We don't have the time to cover it. We got to keep moving. It's vibes. I love the Puckwoods. It's so far, and so far, it's been mostly fantastical, right? It's just fun.

There's even thunderbird sightings out there. People have seen what they consider as the Quasacadle swooping down, which we talked about. We may even talked about one of the sightings in our Thunderbird episode that we did like a year or two ago at this point. Long time ago, yeah.

A lot of fun, just kind of cool, cryptid stuff, a weird, weird red eye dog. Really is, just kind of like a skin walker ranch-esque. Yeah. Almost like a cartoon setting. Very much. Gravity Falls type vibe. Cartoon setting, Gravity Falls is exactly what it is.

You're absolutely correct. It's like a 80s, kids on bicycles, tabletop game called, kids on bikes. Yeah. Tales from the loop. Kids on bikes, yeah. Tales from the loop, kids on bikes, yeah. Yeah, very much.

It's fun, last crazy crypt cryptids feels like we're actually almost don't want the bridge water triangle triangle Kind of doesn't it except we're not and the worst shit to ever occur within the bridge water triangle Isn't even paranormal to be can't it's gonna be like a fucking mental hospital or something isn't it? Oh, you are just wait now the bridge water triangle is a hot spot for something much, much worse and much more real, real, horrible murder torture, satanic ritual killings, prisons, mental assilums, schools, and you know, rainbows and ponies, obviously. There's a school in there. You say school for last? Oh, no. Yeah, I know. I never had that happen in school when I was in school. Did you?

It happened to me in college a couple times where it was like active shooter on campus, but other than that, nope. Nope, okay. Well, never had that. Mine was, mine was jewel thieves. Oh, which was kind of wild. That's why, yeah, that's a weird thing.

Yeah. Yes, as recent as 2015, some of the most heinous killings I've read about have occurred within this area. For instance, Julian Squires' 48 of Manchester, New Hampshire, was convicted by a jury of a 10-day trial of one count each of murder and kidnapping in the death of 29-year-old New Jersey resident Ashley Bortner in November 2015. The DA's office said more than 70% of Bortner's body was burned when police found her bound, gagged, and still on fire beside the MBTA train tracks in Bridgewater on November 3rd of 2015.

Another woman was trapped, tied up, and tortured in her own home for over a month before the police found out she was being discovered. The body of a missing girl was found months later, tied to a tree, decapitated with her head, sat on the ground, but signed her, only able to identify her through dental records. I thought this was mostly the fun episode. What the hell? Oh, but this is the shit that actually happens out there. He's want to leave us on a bad note, basically. Not not quite, not quite, don't worry.

Another story of a familiar tactic, a serial rapist would dress up as a state trooper in approach on specding teens and adults, accusing them of doing something they weren't supposed to yelling and demanding that they get into his car, or lest they'd be in more trouble. And of course, many teenagers, especially in pure panic and worried about being in trouble with the law, they did exactly what they asked him to. And after they would get in the car and they were locked in handcuffed The man would drive off where they would ultimately meet their true fate with him and the sick part is this guy was on the run for years The cops couldn't find him

This is just like another message like if you're listening to this podcast Please unless you see a badge or you know certainly who this person is in their cop Don't fucking listen to anybody. Don't is in their cop. Don't fucking listen to anybody. Don't get into their car. Don't trust anyone. You have to like anybody can pretend to be anything out there, especially in the middle of the woods. Just be very careful. Because again, this is not even that long ago. Like this is like, I mean, be very careful in the woods. I everybody could take that advice. Yeah, be careful in the woods. Then there were the West Bridgewater ritual murders, which is a turn that was used to

refer to the murders of David Lucia and Robin Mallory, two teenagers who were found stabbed to death in the woods of West Bridgewater, Massachusetts in 1984. The murders were later linked to a group of teenagers who were involved in devil worship. So, they're not Satanists, they're devil worshipping. And they were killing people, offering as sacrifices to do this whatever to invoke some heinous power that the devil would give them, which obviously never fucking happened. We kind of do like an episode called Devil Warship vs. Satanism. Yeah.

Because you've dropped multiple times in this episode. They're very different. Let's get our boy. You know that's what I'm wearing in your back. I don't think many people do. I don't know. I genuinely don't think many people do. I don't know. I genuinely don't think many people do, which is why I'm trying to point it out.

Because, and I would love to have that conversation just in general. If we can get a guest. Airbidorf, let's bring him back on. That like the church, like Satanists use that as almost like a jive at current religion and God, right? They don't actually worship Satan. Yeah, it's like ironic.

Yeah. It's an ironic thing that they can use to try and leverage the law that's so often in favor of like Catholics or Christian stuff in their favor. They like their pro-abortion. It's to show the hypocrisy, yeah. Yeah, it's there to show the hypocrisy

and their tenants are all about being kind to other people, being kind to yourself and taking care of yourself and keeping healthy. Right, okay, but like, which one do you think the devil but like, which one do you think the devil likes more? Which one do you think Satan's cool with? If Satan was real, if Satan was real,

there's an argument to be made, the man only gave us critical thinking. There's a lot of arguments he made about, about like. Don't say things like, Satan gave us critical thinking, okay? Yeah, we're already, you're already like, we're already down that ramp. I know.

I'm saying it's we need an episode. Because it sounds like that's gonna be a hot button one. One that's gonna get a lot of people popping off with a lot of thoughts, and I would love to be involved with that. Everybody, and that's the thing, that everybody's satanic belief into who he is and what he's able to do is slightly different. That's cause most of it's made up from Milton.

Satan is less real than God, I would say. Like, Satan is the most fuckable super like natural. That's not where my head is at. That's not where my head is at. Where are my creatures at? Why? I've gotta say that's not where my head was at. I've got to say that's not where my head was at.

Not even remotely Alex, I'm with you on this. I don't know what happened. I gotta admit, I wasn't thinking about that. I was not thinking about having sex with Satan. No. It was like, there's a statue that some artist made long ago that is like, like the most beautiful angel falling from heaven

because that's supposed to be Satan, he's supposed to be tempting. Yes. And like, you know, like you're supposed to pull you. No, like we get it. And he were like, fuck yeah. But you were like, I want to have sex with that. I mean, I guess I would. I'd be saying Satan.

You are wild in, sir. Because then at least he's real and I know he's real. You are wild in. Is that Satan wild and is that Satanism or is that devil worship? That's devil worship probably I think you would be devil worshiping if you know what I'm saying I think you know you know, you know what you were right. I'd be worshiping like nobody worshiped him before It's the matter with you nothing so don't be saying from the South Park movie exactly If Satan were real and he took me into his loving embrace,

my mouth would never be empty for him. You got it? I just don't know why that's where you're at right now. That's where you brought no one brought you there. Not five minutes ago. We're like the the capitated bodies were found in the woods and they're like I bang the devil though. Look down there's only one set of footprints down there. Having an episode I'm Satanism versus devil worship would be really good. I do think that would be good. Thank you. Yes. That's the point.

Is I think it'd be a fascinating episode. Airdorf. Airdorf is in a Satanist. I know, but he did Satan last time he was on. Yeah, we did the Satanic Panic, which I need to recover one day in a much deeper way because of the real leader of the Satananic panic, Mike Warnke. Dude.

Dude, that's only a situation, yeah. Exactly. I can't wait to talk about him one day. So back to the terrible murders. The investigation of the murders led police to the group of teenagers. The teenagers who were between the ages of 14 and 17 admitted admitted to the cops to planning and carrying out the murders. They said that they had killed Lucia and Maori as a sacrifice to the cops to planning and carrying out the murders. They said that they had killed Lucie Aron Maori

as a sacrifice to the devil. The teenagers were arrested and charged with the murders and they were all convicted and sentenced to life. Is that what you were doing that night in the graveyard, Mathis? Yeah, I'll never free, dude, I farted all over that dude's hand. What?

I was so nervous. Okay. I was being patented down by cops and I couldn't control my anxiety and I was just very pooty. What? I got it. We need to have an episode called How Mathis is Brain Works. What do you mean? We're like, we get a person in to like- He's referring to the time I was in a graveyard with my then- now ex- then girlfriend

and my best friend at the time, Scott. Yeah, yeah. Because we were- there was a walking path in the graveyard. No, no, we get what he's referring to. You just said- You heard about it? And then you were like- That's the thing I remember the most. It's right to fart hand.

Yeah. I remember being so scared I farted all over him. I was so nervous. I don't have to write it. It just happens. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm gonna do an episode that I'm just gonna ask

Mathis like reasonable questions. And we're just gonna see where it goes. That'll be on Patreon. Yeah. I will ask him non like reasonable questions, and we're just gonna see where it goes. That'll be on Patreon. I will ask him non, like unreasonable questions and we'll see where it goes. That's just a history of me that actually happened. It's not even a story. I'm just gonna marry Bofkill with inanimate objects, Mathis.

Okay. Moving on. Then of course, away from the murders, there is the Taughtan State Hospital, which is a psychiatric hospital located in Hodges Avenue in Tauntan, Massachusetts. It was established in 1854 and originally known so nicely as the state lunatic hospital at Tauntan. I just like, I forget like back then, they just had no- The fucking psycho house.

Like care for mental health. Yeah, the crazy person home. Send them to New England England booby hatch. This place got huge over the years. The complex was experimented at various times to include over 40 buildings and structures. The main part of the hospital, known as the Kirkbride building, closed in 1975,

and the buildings very quickly began falling into disrepair. In 1994, the property was then added to the National Register of Historic Places as a historic district. And in 1999, the main dome of the administrative building finally collapsed. So, this place was kind of just left after 1975 to kind of rot away. And in 1851, going back to kind of the beginning of it all, the Massachusetts General Court appointed a commission to find a site for a new asylum to relieve the pressure of rising patient populations from its only facility out in Worcester, Mass. The new facility in Taun, that's when this facility to Taun opened in April of 1854. The large sprawling

campus located on a hill offered fresh air and sunlight, following Kirk Bride's concept for treating mental health patients. That kind of reminds me of like trying to treat tuberculosis by having them head up to like high mountain homes and breathe the mountain air because somehow that helped. I remember that being a treatment back then. The complex was expanded in the early 1870s, again in 1887 and again in 1906, and from the 1930s, juvenile facilities, crisis centers, sick wards, and group homes were all added. One of the building's most beautiful features was its breezeways, which were added in the 1890s

to connect the end of the wards to the hospital and firmery buildings. Its district Kapolas, hospital and firmer buildings, it's district Kapola's, it's district Kapola's large dome, cast iron capitals and window bars gave the building its very own unusual, creepy and my opinion gothic kind of atmosphere that hangs over it. I remember a bunch of my friends when I was young went and went and like go something to this place multiple times. And I was like 11 and I was too scared to go. Even though like my cousins were like older teens, I was just like, I And I was like 11 and I was too scared to go. Even though like my cousins were like older teens, I was just like, I afraid I was going to like fall through a broken

floor and die. And that's honestly probably not necessarily bad thing to worry about. It's a deteriorating building. I love any of your old probably shouldn't be going in that. So I may have missed my one and only chance to ghost hunt when I was a kid, but I lived because of it. On June 10th, 1992, two patients at the Taught and State Hospital, David, Shoket and James McGinn, were both found dead in their beds. Both patients had been strangled to death, and the investigation into the murders led police to John Geohan. Geohan.

Geohan. Geohan. Geohan, it's Irish for sure, a patient at the hospital who had a history of violence. He was arrested and charged with the murders and was later convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to two life terms in prison, and he was known to be involved in satanic worship and some believe that the murders may have been part of a ritual, that he was trying to do some sort of like, what? Devil worship in the actual hospital.

And during his trial, he actually claimed that he was, quote, possessed by the devil at the time of the murder. So his lawyers were like, we're going with this, bro. Yep, they were just like, just go with it. That's all you got, just go. He also claimed that he had been instructed by the devil to kill the two patients, which makes no sense. Were you possessed by the devil to do the murders?

Or do the devil tell you to do the murders? You can't really have both, right? Like if the devil's possessing you, you don't really have control of yourself, right? Am I wrong in seeing the faulty logic out the gate? It's like video games, like I don't know, like rules? I don't know. This is the mysteries of the devil, bro. I can't, I can't.

Yeah. Well, luckily the judge said there was no evidence to support his claims that he was ever possessed by the devil and he died in prison in 2003. And there's the Taunt and State hospital murders, which is a tragic and disturbing case where the murders are a reminder of the dangerous, of, of, not treating them mentally ill properly. The importance of providing adequate providing adequate care for them. In the case, also serves as a reminder of the, like just like the mess that this hospital was even during its like peak running times. Not a lot of care was given to these patients.

So on, yeah, so this particular murder was another strangulation murder. On this one, however, there wasn't any claim that there was devil worship. It was just somebody who got extremely angry at somebody else, waited for them to go to sleep and then just strangled them to death in their sleep. Just a good old, premeditated, horrific murder. One of the worst ways you can kill someone, probably traumatized like the most horrific thing I can imagine. Just somebody getting mad at somebody else. We're not going to on, we're not gonna end on murder. Murder, fucks.

Murder's lead to hauntings. And the Bridgewater Triangle is home to some of those. People claim some of the most well-known hauntings in New England. One of the most common types of paranormal activity reported is within the Taunt and State Mental Hospital. It's simply disembodied voices. You're very classic, you walk in, you can hear,

oh, help me. You know, like that kind of stuff. Was that you finally getting fucked by a ghost? No. That sounded like you finally getting fucked by a ghost. Oh. No.

Whoa. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, no. No! No! No! No! No! No! No! You know what? Peas soup, shooting everywhere and shit.

Come on, man. That's gonna unfa- not what I was going for, but maybe it's just my own subconscious knows what I want from all things, man. That's going to unfa- not what I was going for, but maybe it's just my own subconscious knows what I want from all things, apparently. Maybe. I think everybody's actual conscious knows what you want at this point. Listen, I don't, you know what, we can't get into it right now. I can't defend myself in this moment.

We've got to keep moving. Apparitions are also commonly reported at the Taughton State Hospital. Visitors and staff members reported seeing apparitions of former patients and former staff members. The apparitions are often described as being transparent or translucent and they sometimes seen walking through the hallways, standing in the doorways or sitting in the chairs. They're just hanging out, standing in a doorway or sitting in a random chair. I think that's creepier to me. I'd rather have like see something dart by, then just see some dude sitting in a fucking

chair and then if I look away and look back, he's gone, that would be way scarier for me. Beyond the typical hauntings, you also have poltergeist activity that happens here. Visitors and what not, report seeing objects moving on their own pieces of like debris flying across the hallway, doors opening and closing by themselves, lights turning on and off, and one of the more famous stories of paranormal activity in the Taunt & State Hospital is the story in the haunting of the nurses station. The nurse's station is a room on the second floor of the hospital where nurses used to sit

and monitor patients. The nurse's station is known for its disembodied voices, apparitions, and poltergeist activity. Visitors and staff members often keep reporting hearing your typical voices, whispering, calling out names, or even speaking complete sentences. The voices are usually described as being mournful or distressed, which is why I was like, you know, that's a mournful moan.

There's lots of kinds of distressed. That's a mournful moan? Yeah, mournful because I'm a dead person in a mental hospital. Oh. Oh. Yeah, I'm more info because I'm a dead person in a mental hospital. Oh This would be like a banging on the door kind of thing, but I couldn't yeah, it sounded like banging all right You think the ghost is willingly participating in whatever it is I'm doing? I fucking hope so, man.

Me too. I don't want to do it unless they're willing. I don't want like, you know, it's a ghost. The reason a ghost is somebody I would sleep with is because the ghost could literally be anybody. Not technically alive. Not well, okay, true. No pregnancy risk.

I think people should come to our live show December 3rd and do their best ghost impressions for us. Oh, moaning ghost impressions. Oops. Apparitions are also commonly reported out in the nurse's station. The apparitions are often described as being, you know, the typical transparent translucent, wearing nurses attire from especially the olden time, like that old school, like white, long kind of gown with that little white hat on top.

Paulton, guys, beyond things being thrown around, we also have the stories of shadow people, which is another very commenting in a haunting where, oh my god, I just remembered I had a really fucking weird encounter in my house the other day and I almost missed it. We almost missed it. Let's hit it. Oh my god. It was a, it was a really good. The episode without hearing about it is because it reminds me of like a shadow thing. So I was going to bed and in the master bedroom, there's like the door that leads directly to the bathroom and the light is on the bedroom. Look at Johnny rich man over here. He just doesn't leave the California. Yes, they're bedroom. Okay. And there's a bathroom is right there. The door shut and the

light was on. And I, you know, I usually accidentally leave the light on a bunch. And I was heading over to go turn it off. And I was walking under the door where you very clearly can see the light. A shadow that's maybe like four or five inches long. Doesn't dart, but just kind of strolls across. Like a very not questionable fucking shadow. My immediate thought was, oh my God, do I have a fucking mouse, rat, whatever? So I open the door instantly. I don't, I'm not like running away.

And when I go in there, there's nothing. There's no, I'm looking around for like, maybe droppings of like mouse poo or something under the cabinets. You know, it's not like a mess that they can go hide into when you walk in. It's just a empty clean bathtub on your left and the sink and your faucet on the right and then the hallway that leads down to a toilet and that's in behind a door, but that's too far away from where the thing is. Let's also use the toilet, dude. Maybe it did. Maybe it fucking did, but dude, there was nothing, there was no noise, it was no like,

you know, noise fucking nothing. It was just a shadow that moved across the bottom of my door. No idea. I'm hoping it was something. I don't know. Don't you have pets, though? Yeah, but none of them were in the bathroom. The door was shut.

Must be a ghost and must be. There's nothing else it could be. I don't know what, I'm not saying it was a ghost. I'm just saying I know it wasn't my cat. Shadow person, nothing else it could be. I don't know what, I'm not saying it was a ghost. I'm just saying I know it wasn't my cat. That a person, nothing else it could be. I'm just saying anyway, so shadow people, thank you. So, you know, audience, tell me what I saw. If they're gonna tell me it's like a possum or something,

I'm sure. Visitors and staff members beyond seeing that, their cessation has also been investigated by numerous paranormal groups. The investigators have often captured evidence of the paranormal activity that includes EVPs, which is electronic voice phenomena, EMF readings. And in one investigation, a group of paranormal investigators captured EVP of a woman's voice sounds like saying, help me. And another one of a man's voice going

out. Very typical. And another investigation, a group of paranormal investigators captured an EMF reading of over 10 point, uh, over 10 milligawts, uh, and the nurse's station and EMF reading of over 10 milligawts is considered to be anomalous and is often associated with paranormal activity. But I want to interject here as well and say, EMF is real. It's a very real thing. But high EMF can cause you to hallucinate, can give you headaches, can cause you to see things that aren't actually there. So if there is high AMF reading in the nurse's station, it's possible to some faulty wiring somewhere or old wiring that's causing a lot of like EMF to kind of leak out. And it can cause you to have like fucked up, like not like super mega sick, but you can

hallucinate slightly on it and stuff. Then there's a solitary confinement cell. A small dark room where patients who were considered to be dangerous were kept, and then the solitary confinement cell, it's known for screams, cries, and disturbing noises. Visitors and staff members have reported hearing screams coming from the solitary confinement cell, even though the cell has been empty for years.

One visitor reported hearing the sound of a man screaming an agony, another visitor reported hearing the sound of a woman crying uncontrollably. Visitors and staff members have also reported seeing apparitions in the solitary confinement cell. With one visitor reported seeing the apparition of a man standing in the doorway of the cell, non-shelon- Oh, chill. Another visitor reported seeing, yeah, like a chill dude, just kind of leaning in the door. Like, what up? Hey, how's it going? Another visitor reported seeing the apparition of a woman inside the cell itself, just kind of leaning in the door. Like what up? Hey, how's it going? Another visitor report seeing the person of a woman

inside the cell itself, banging on the walls of the cell. And not my kind of banging. Aggressive. Not my kind of banging. You just walk into everything. You were like, and not my kind of banging. Aggressive banging.

Boom! I knew where your mind's right. I know where you're at. I'm here. I'm gonna keep you in line. Stay in your mind. My mind wasn't there. Stay in your mind. I wasn't thinking about sex either. and he went out of the way to make sure that we know that his type of banging is not aggressive.

He dragged us to where he was at. Uh, and then you got the story of the, of the moving bed. Visitors and staff members have reported seeing the bed in the cell move on its own multiple times. cell move on its own multiple times, fully across the room, spinning around its circles, and even once seeing it floating in the fucking air. Another story of the, the story of the quote unquote, chains, visitors and staff members have reported hearing the sound of chains dragging on the floor in the cell. The chains have also been seen materializing and dematerializing in front of witnesses. Like, that's, that you never see.

Usually you look away in the ghosts is gone, but people apparently have seen them like, wait, like, when you kill a vampire and blade, like, what are we talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're just trying to do a skeleton. Yeah, I don't know what they mean by dematerialized. Like, dematerialized, they don't give a description.

Like Thanos? Yeah, that's all right. Exactly. It's like what I'm thinking. All right. Again, this place has been investigated multiple times. And in one investigation, a group of paranormal investigators capturing EVP of man voice saying, please let me out, I'm scared. Yikes.

That's the worst. The highest EMF reading they've gotten there is 20 milligows, which is pretty fucking high. And that is the end of the most hauntings. Again, you're kind of getting the usual style of hauntings there. Nothing crazy. But I like to tie it to the murders because how much fucking death fucking keeps happening here. Now, we were to look at a realistic reason that murders keep happening

in Haka Mok Swamp. It's simply because it's a fucking swamp. Anybody who knows and lives in the fucking area who has nefarious deeds in mind and violent tendencies knew that the place to fucking go was Haka Mok Swamp in the Bridgewater Triangle because people have like, if there are crimes where the body still haven't been found, they're still out there somewhere because it's not to be a rolled crime is apparently. And I believe even the Boston stranglers use this area to dump their bodies very often when we talk about them one day. And that, you know, beyond the mythical magical hauntings of it all, this place is, there

are plenty of articles with the city, with city officials talking about how they wish this place didn't have such a negative reputation because they believe the negative, negative reputation draws more negative actions, copycat killers or people who have maybe been thinking about doing something for a long time. And then they saw some, maybe somebody do it and get away with it in the Huckabock's Wamp, or read about it. And it kind of just draws those people there. And I'm not necessarily, I think that's correct. I think a lot of the reason is a lot of crimes happen here is because it's just a place where you're likely

gonna be able, at least back in the 70s when there wasn't cell phones and stuff, you could get away with it. The swamp was gonna do all the dirty work for you. I mean, we've talked about plenty of true crime killers who have used swamp to let their bodies just get to, like decompose quickly on their own. That makes more sense to me. I can't, however, describe the UFOs, the big dog,

the giant ape. Well, we did say it was one of the places where there actually is a legit swamp gas situation. It is, yeah, 100%. It's the helicopter or UFO sighting that sticks with me the most. Yeah, I mean, that one's, yeah, that one's not quite like. But in the end, what you believe is real or not

is wholly up to you. There's no physical evidence that any of these paranormal things happen beyond maybe a footprint somewhere that someone believes belong to the Haka Mok Swap Monster. We do know the murder is a real, and that's kind of enough to be careful out there, and especially. Yeah, and it certainly captures the imagination.

Like I definitely, like we were saying before, it just really feels like a place, like a setting, you know what I mean? There's even like, there's so many things out there there's like a rock out there that has all kinds of etchings on it that people don't know what it means. I remember I almost, like a bunch of my friends would go climbing on that rock a bunch of times

over in that area. Prospect Rock. They're all dead now. It's not where Chris Jericho went, was the bridge water triangle? Did he, I don't know anything about wrestling? When I was showing you guys, I can't remember, maybe he did, I can't remember. I actually not where Chris Jericho went. Was the bridge water triangle? I don't know anything about wrestling. When I was showing you guys, I can't remember. Maybe he did.

I can't remember. Actually, no, you may be right. You think you did say that. Yeah, it's a real place and it's a place that if you live nearby, it's such a big area. Again, 200 square miles that it, of course, if you cast a big enough net, you're going to have a lot of similarities, like especially with the crimes and stuff. But that boys is the quick and dirty breakdown of the tales of the bridge water triangle, both imagined and real. Some horrifying, some titillating.

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