Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 227 - Son of Sam Part 2 - Sam Meets Justus

Episode Date: November 19, 2023

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Hello everybody and welcome to the Chaluminati podcast episode 227 as always on one of your host Mike Martin joined by just my co-hosts from LA Jesse and Alex. How's it going boys? That's a mind game. Wow, can I? Can I? That's a mind game. Has the episode of us gesting on another podcast appeared yet?

Sinisterhood yes, the other podcast, no. I wonder if that's when I stopped it. I feel like our appearance on said podcast broke you. It did, it did. When you said bad branding, I was like, he's right, man, stop. I feel like it broke you, yeah. It did suddenly, Alex and I have names.

I have to give you your names because you can't just be random comedians as confusing to new listeners, I think. But you do say our names every time People don't you know the first five seconds people are listening and then you they're barely listening and then after that You've like the next five minutes probably not so much. Yeah, and then it's like it's a two-mile podcast with Mathis Wallace and Grommet and people are like what? and people are like, what? What?

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I think I just kind of dived into it. So at the top of this, let me just shut up. My two main book sources that I use for this, Son of the Stan by Lord, the Clousner. This is basically a really good recounting detailed, kind of just life of Berkowitz from childhood, there was crimes, investigation, et cetera, et cetera. And then there's the ultimate evil, which is really mostly for today's episode,

a book by Maury Terry. And this is a book that we'll talk about more toward the end of the episode that tries to put a different spin and blame on the killings that occurred during David Burke, which is one year killing spree. It's almost like trying to shift the blame onto something else that was happening in the country at the time, which would make a lot more sense when we get there. But for recap purposes, let's just talk a little bit about what we talked about last episode.

Obviously, we're talking about New York City in the 1970s, and I don't know if you know, but New York City in the 70s kind of just sucks. It was not a good place to be. It was a ton of people in diversity. I was also grappling with economic downturn, soaring crime rates, and there's just a lot of uncertainty going on in New York around this time. And during all of this, in this shadow of Urban Decay, there stood David Berkowitz, who would later call himself son of Sam and emerge

as one of America's most notorious serial killers. We spoke about when he was born on June 1st of 1953 as not David Berkowitz, but Richard David Falco in New York until he was adopted and they would change his middle and first name and take the last name Berkowitz instead. And as Berkowitz transitioned into adulthood, his inner tour turmoil deepened further until he eventually joined the army at the age of 17 and 1971, serving briefly before his honorable discharge in 1974 and returning to New York, where he struggled to find his place in a city that was itself still struggling to find its footing amidst the chaos of the 70s.

And David's Berkowitz's transition back into civilian life was fraught with challenges. He moved back to New York City, where there was, like I said, a lot of just kind of unrest. It was against the backdrop, that backdrop that Berkowitz dissent into his chaotic mindset began when he took up an apartment in Yonkers in 1974. And all of this would eventually lead him to commit some of the most heinous crimes in American history. Erkwood, a sense of alienation intensified during this period. He did try working menial jobs, but nothing seemed to fill the growing void.

He became increasingly withdrawn, spending long hours alone. If you remember, he was also a mix of anti-war hippie and evangelical Christian that made him just an absolute disaster to be around, probably one of the most annoying people to be around. It's a pleasure to hang out with in all social situations. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And he soon turned inward with that, brooding over his perceived grievances against an unfair world. All that eventually would spill forth into the real world with his first attempt at a murder. Berkowitz, a young man, adrift in his inner sea of chaos, had armed himself with a hunting knife.

A tool soon to be an instrument of his first attempted twisted violent outburst. His target were two women, unknown to him. They're only crime just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We were in the scene of setting an apartment building's hallway, a mundane backdrop about to witness a completely random act of inexplicable violence, and Berkowitz just quietly approached as these women. His movements were completely like he got a Hodeon, it was just kind of just walking toward them. And as he got close, he lashed out.

The attack was swift and brutal and and holy unskilled in a weird sense. Berkowitz's knife found its mark, but not lethally so. The women caught in the sudden nightmare screamed and a sound that cut through the stillness of the building. And in the ensuing chaos in the scream, Berkowitz just flew, he just ran away. Do you remember? He just stabbed the woman. She didn't die right away like the movies had portrayed. It wasn't an easy kill.

And as she screamed and didn't die, he fucking took off. He just ran disappearing into New York City. But she did eventually die is what you're saying? Nope, she lived. She did not die. Offal. Her rendous situation. Yeah, absolutely. But luckily, they both survived.

They were the first real attack of Berkowitz in this fashion. And all they could remember about him is that he was kind of a pudgy guy with a pale complexion and average height. So, you know, not a lot to go on in New York City at that point. And though the, though these, like, they weren't able to capture him, this was a, this is in my mind, the turning point for him. It was the first violent outburst of a man who would later unleash an array of chaos through the city and the grand grim narrative that he would call the son of Sam.

The incident is often just kind of a footnote, this little stabbing is often just a footnote overshadowed by the subsequent shootings that he would move to later. He just realized a knife wasn't the way to do it. He didn't want to actually watch the people and fight somebody to kill them. He just wanted to kill them as quickly as possible. And so he ended up going with a gun. And with David Berkowitz, better now known as the son of Sam, didn't no longer using a knife.

He instead decided that his weapon of choice moving forward would be a 44 caliber bulldog revolver and what he would use in his string of choice moving forward would be a 44 caliber bulldog revolver and what he would use in his string of shootings in New York City. What's weird is how he acquired this gun and kind of speaks to the time though I'm not sure how much has fully changed in this regard. But the acquisition of this weapon is a key part in understanding this guy's transition into a serial killer, especially when we talk about when he starts blaming the voices he was hearing that were commanding him to kill. But let's talk a little bit first

just about how he got this gun. Berkowitz acquired the 44 caliber not New York where he lived because the gun laws kind of made it difficult for him to do so. But in the early 70s, well before he began his infamous shooting spree, which would happen in 1976, and well before he even claimed he was hearing these voices tell him to commit violence, he ended up going and actively purchasing a gun. Berkowitz didn't actually purchase the gun himself, however. He went and traveled out to Houston, Texas, where one of his old army buddies was living to quote unquote visit him with the and they visited a gun shop. went and traveled out to Houston, Texas, where one of his old army buddies was living to

quote unquote, visit him with, and they visited a gun shop. Now we don't have the exact details as to how, like this all went down because simply what ended up happening was Berkowitz was not really involved in the purchase. At the time, the gun laws were way more relaxed in Texas than in New York. And thank God that's all changed, obviously. And through his old army buddy friend by the name of Billy Daniel Parker, who was with him at the time of the purchase,

when he purchased the 44 caliber bulldog revolver, it was done in what's known as a straw purchase. What a straw purchase is simply a straw purchase or nominee purchase, is if any purchase wearing an agent agrees to acquire or service for someone who is often unable or unwilling to do it themselves. He basically walked in and purchased it for him and it was completely legal to do so at the time.

And when his friend was like, why do you need this gun? Because it kind of came out of nowhere. When he was asked this question, it kind of prompted an unusual answer in kind of vague. He simply said that in his non-committal kind of vague answer that it was for his, it was to protect himself on the drive back to New York. From where they just were? Yeah, so he'd went, drove from New York to Texas, had his friend buy the gun and the reason that he gave he needed the gun for the straw purchase was that he needed it for protection.

Yeah, on the way back from Texas. On the way back to New York from Texas, yeah, that's why he needed the gun. Because he wasn't taking a plane, he drove, everything was driven. So the only reason that he needed it was because he was where he drove to get it. Yep. That's fucking insane. Thank you to today's sponsor, Hello Fresh, where you can get farm fresh pre-portion ingredients and seasonal recipes to deliver right to your doorstep so you can skip trips to the grocery store and count on Hello Fresh to main home cooking, easy fun and affordable.

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Thank you again to HelloFresh for sponsoring today's episode America's number one meal kit. And that was enough for his friend. It wasn't really clear and it wasn't clear if he actually provided any other specific reasoning beyond this, but all signs point to know. And his evasion of a direct answer here suggests that he may actually already have been harboring violent intentions to use the weapon for criminal purposes. Mind you, he got the gun before the stabbing. So the stabbing hadn't occurred when he bought the gun.

And his reluctance to really disclose any reasons beyond protecting himself on the way back from his visit to Houston also kind of shows a level of premeditation or at least some sort of awareness that he might be playing with ideas in his head really kind of feeding into the violent fantasies he's clearly having. Just kind of like buying gear in general for his like character. Yeah, and so when the excuse eventually comes that the neighbor's dog had a demon speaking through it, telling him to commit these acts, bear in mind that all this was done well before that shit was quote unquote happening. Uh, yeah, it's absolutely bizarre. And, um, the thing with the, the legal loopholes in the 70s with the gun stuff is that it was possible to

purchase firearms through all kinds of shit, really easily of shit really easily in Texas and other southern states. And this loop, like these loopholes where you could just have his friend buy a gun for him. The reason he didn't buy the gun is because it would be a little harder for him to get it himself because he's not from Texas. He doesn't have the proper ID and he, we need to go through certain checks. Well, his friend who lived in Texas didn't need to go through that. He could just simply buy the gun for his friend, and that was the end of it. So these look kind of large loopholes were a big reason that he was able to attain this

gun so easily, and they are one of the reasons some gun laws tightened up a little bit after the son of Sam ended up catching a being caught. So beyond that, we begin to start looking at when he claims he started hearing voices because from his return, in 1971, by 1977 he's arrested for the killings. He's not around very long and it's a one year mark from 1976 when he starts killing people

to when he's arrested in 1977. And he moved into the apartment in 1974, approximately a year and a half before he started killing. It was very quick. He got back from the military, he kind of set up shop, and after about three or four years, he was already killing people,

just for whatever reason. He claims that in 1975, that his mental state began to deterior-iteriate rapidly and he later claimed that during his time he started to hear voices. Auditorial hallucinations that he said were commands from a demon that resided in his neighbor's dog urging him to kill, which again, when we look about when he gets arrested, that isn't even the story he gives. That is a story he adds to like a year or so after his arrest. He claims that he started beginning hearing voices in the mid 1970s, which played a significant

role in his descent into criminal behavior. And according to his accounts, these auditory hallucinations started some time after he moved into an apartment in Yonkers around 1975. That's the one that you were talking about? Yeah. Berkowitz is the member of the letters he sent to his neighbor downstairs. Right.

Now, keep those letters in mind of a context that maybe he's, it's hard to know if he's playing a character to fall back on that excuse when he eventually gets arrested, or if he's actually a broken man kind of mentally. I mean, it might even be a mix of both. I was gonna say, I thought that it was more like an excuse. He kind of just gave himself the idea

that he was hearing voices so that he could finally have a reason to go do what he'd been planning on doing. And honestly, rings of an excuse, but like, you know, I mean, I mean, of course, I'm not going to like say which one I think it is because I don't really. He also had four loony-tuned style head concussions as a child, so he's probably not fully there. How, how much had he been hearing voices before that? Not really, right? I was hitting the head with a golf club as a kid.

I jumped into a pile of sticks and a stick got stuck in my head as a kid. Trust me when I say, I have never heard a dog talk. I was 14 years old in the jackass era. Yeah. Yeah. More evidence, Jesse, that your childhood had a branching path that was serial killer that you could have taken. My parents were convinced I was not. They were like, he's going to be dead. They were convinced. I want one time as a kid rode with my friends, there was like a mud pit at the end of the street where we all just were like, oh, a mud pit, because they're building a new road.

And so we just all got on our bikes and made a ramp and rode our bikes into the mud pit. There could have been anything in that mud pit. Snakes. Anything. And we just jumped in, because we were like bacteria, shit. Yeah. So we had the body of a serial killer, who was hit their victims.

Acid. My dad showed up with a stick. And started whacking us with a stick to make us go home. He was like walking us down the street whacking us. It's like a fucking hurting, like a hurting farmer. He was hurting us. You were hurting us. No.

And you guys were like, No. No. It's really a walk a little too far away. And you guys were like, no. No. That's what it was. Really? Yeah. Walk a little too far away and just get the whack on the thigh. Yeah.

We were like sheep. We was just like trying to get us back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So look, if anyone was going to hear dogs talk, it probably me. I got nothing.

So I feel like it's an excuse, you know what I mean? But also again, I'm not killing people either. So I mean fair. As far as we are aware. The only dog I've ever heard of said, what's up guys, and that's it. What? The only dog's drive ever heard. I think I said it.

He said it as I took a drink. I almost spit it out everywhere. Did I not say that on the last episode? Can you remind me of the story just in case? Okay, now that I'm thinking about it, it might have been on Beard Bros. And I might just be confused. Or it might be on Star, I do all my shows

with the same fucking people. Okay. Here's what's up. Here's what's up. There's a story, a friend of a friend, they were sitting out one day, like skating, you know, in like the neighborhood cold sack on the porch hanging out, having some juice or whatever, chilling on a hot day, summer.

And the dog was there. And everyone present swears that the dog one time said, sup guys. Was the, but you knew it like Scooby Doo like, so good. No, exactly how I said it. Exactly how I said it. You just turned in a man's voice, it was like, sup guys.

That's it. The impression of the voice. Sup guys. I like how even the dogs in California are stoned. Hahaha. Wait, what kind of breed a dog was it? I'm gonna say, I don't know, I'm gonna say up here, bread know, I'm gonna say pure bred beagle.

Great, great. I don't know, but I'm gonna just say beagle. Okay. Well, speaking of it being an excuse, if you look back at previous silly serial killers we've talked about, so many of them try to kind of create that accident where the killing couldn't be avoided, quote unquote, and it kind of gives that accident where they are the killing couldn't be avoided quote unquote and it kind of give them their first taste of killing while being able to rationalize it away in

some way. Again, we talked about John Wayne Gacy a lot with that kid who was just making him eggs in the morning and he claimed that he was coming at him with a knife and it gave him a reason to like fucking kill the kid. It wouldn't surprise me if David Berkowitz is like telling himself he might be hearing voices, but isn't actually just so he can make that first stabbing attempt until the voice were like, maybe not a knife, David. Let's try a gun instead. Berkowitz claimed that the voices that he heard of those were demons and they were coming out of his neighbor Sam Carr's dog, which was a black Labrador retriever by the name of Harvey. So Harvey the Lab was just giving him demon knowledge and Berkowitz described the voices as commanding

an insistent exerting a powerful influence over his mind and actions. Hey, what's up guys? Oh my god, are you a demon? Yes, that's correct. Correct. Yes I am, man. You didn? Yes. That's correct. Correct. Yes I am, man.

No, sir. You need to even want him to kill. The demon doesn't even want him to kill. He's like, no, bro, I just want you to like, where are you going? Stop. Don't kill those people. Shoot that person.

Just like, black, black. Don't shoot that person. Berkowitz interpreted these hallucinations as literal commands from a demonic source according to him, and he believed that O'Biobeying these voices, he was fulfilling some sort of dark destiny that the universe had for him. Again, if you remember from last episode, he was desperate to be like a hero who died in combat known for his heroic sacrifice and all that stuff.

Now we've like gone to the other side of the coin and now he's like, this is my dark destiny. I'm gonna fulfill the commands of the demons. I don't know what he thought he would get out of it if he truly thought he was like serving a demon because I'll tell you what, you don't get much no matter how much you ask. And this belief system formed the twisted rationale

behind his series of shootings. I want everyone to know. It's a little moralizing in the mix. That whatever you don't get, you don't get what you have. Like you add a little bit and just got us all pop a mathis. What? What? Pop a mathis came in with a little certain.

You're just like, don't trust demons, kids. Don't trust them. Like a true lesson about them. They're not to be trusted. They're evil creatures. Take it from me. Just take it from me. Whether I'm an expert or not is up to you.

What have you given away, Papamethis? The color of my skin, per one. I'm just glad. He's gone. I can see his veins through his skin. His pale skin. So moving up, we're now moving into about 1976-ish, where the crime started to begin.

And it's important to note, once again, before we move in, considerable skepticism of the veracity of his claims regarding voices. It's even some psychiatrist and investigators who speculated that these claims may have just been an attempt by Berkowitz to appear legally insane, thus avoiding a much harder sentence, or others have considered them a manifestation of genuine mental illness. So there's even split opinions amongst doctors and professionals out there. But if he was trying to go legally, like, you know, legally in St. Rout, you don't really, like, that's not a better time.

That's just a different kind of hell to live amongst the criminally insane. Like, that's not a better place. It's not a vacation amongst people who are just depressed. That's just another version of hell. But people, you know, we see that even nowadays, people trying to kind of take that angle. It's important to know beyond that skepticism that before he became infamous as son of Sam,

his criminal activities had already began less notice but equally sinister, and that's when we look at the very first act, which is that stabbing that we talked about earlier. Now that we're all completely caught up, very shortly after that stabbing in 1975, having the gun in his hands, he knew that the way he was going to kill is with a gun. And the very first shooting that was attributed to David Berkowitz, aka the son of Sam, occurred on July 29, 1976. Berkowitz targeted two young women, Jody

Valenti and Donna Loria, who were just sitting in a car in the Bronx, hanging out talking in Loria. As when a son of a Sam approached, he pulled his pistol, pointed inside the car, and fired multiple rounds. Loria was killed instantly, while Valenti was seriously wounded, but survived the attack. And this attack marked the beginning of a series of shootings that terrorized New York for over a year. Moving to the next attack,

you're looking at like just under a month and a half or so. It was on October 23rd of 1976 that David Berkowitz decided he would kill his next set of people. And you'll start noticing a pattern in the people he's targeting to kill. Berkowitz attacked a couple, Carl Denaro, 20 years old in Rosemary Keenan, 18, who were sitting in Keenan's park car, much like his previous, and Keenan managed to drive away

despite her injuries, but Denaro had been shot in the head. Luckily, he survived and was left with a metal plate in his skull after the attack. So Keenan, Rosemary Kenan just reacted perfectly, just got the fuck out of there. And luckily, Deed Denaro was able to survive that. So another failed killing. So over three. Yeah. He's got, well, he got killed one person in the previous attack. Oh, he did. But the other one survived. Remember the stabbing, the stabbing nobody died. The first shooting on July 29th, one person died, the other person did not. Oh, I can't.

I thought they both lived. I thought they both lived. Okay. Oh, yeah. No, sorry. And then on November 27th, like a month later, this one in Queens, again, Donna Demasi, 16 and Joanne Lomino, 18 were also shot as they were just having a chat on the porch of Lomino's home. God. They were just having a chat on the porch of Lamino's home.

They were just hanging out, chatting. He pulled up in a car with the gun, got out, shot them both, and immediately left. It's like a worse nightmare or shit. He's also not really paying attention to whether they live or die. He's shooting them and then fucking running away like a coward. He just doesn't care if they live or die. He just pulls the trigger and that seems to be enough. He's the act of shooting then that is like the thing. He probably just doesn't really understand about like the bullet needs to go through a part of the body. He's probably

kind of the way that the way that you were talking about the knife and how he was grossed out by the knife and how it was way weirder than he wanted it to be. And he thought it was going to be like, ah, he's like a stab in the gut and they would just crumple over there and let them be in the movies. I feel like in terms of the gun, like, he just is like raising his possibility of getting a kill, but he's still just kind of like doing like a video game version. He just kind of walks up and goes, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then just runs away because so he has like the movie in his head, just like in his perceived outdying battle.

Yeah. Like he, it's all idealized fake. Yeah, agreed. And these two that he shot, both of them lived as well. Demasi was shot in the neck, but recovered. While Lomino ended up giving a little bit of a worse outcome where she survived, but from the waist down she ended up being paralyzed. From the attack, it's just fucking sucks.

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just walks up next to them, points the gun at both of them pulls the trigger and frowned who was hit twice, died hours later in the hospital, but deal ended up, so John deals to end up surviving the attack. So we got one of the two of them. So this is, this is like, I'm trying to think the equivalent to that would be closer to modern day. Like when the dude, and I think it was in DC, hid in his car and he sniped people. Oh my god. We're like getting gas or walking just like whatever. And it was sort of a terror thing or it was less of a like, oh my god. Uh, this guy's targeting blonde hair and women instead of just like anyone could be a

touch. There's just some fucker out there being a fucking idiot, shooting people. Yeah. Yeah, but he is there is a weird like pattern to who he's attacking usually young couples or young young up young pair whether it be two friends or a boyfriend or girlfriend, but they're always in the early 20s late teens for the most part. Christine for a friend was 26 the oldest so far. And it's also important to mention the cops are attempting to find this guy at this

point. They know that there's a killer out there. They've been trying to piece it together, but just an unmarked gun that is not bought under his name wandering around fucking New York City, just shooting people at seemingly random is very difficult for the 1976 police force to fucking figure out who it's go. It's who's trying to do it. Unlike a serial killer like Dahmer or Gacy where the victims were gay men or the less dead as they're known and kind of like the true crime.

Because these were just like young kids and girls and boys, the cops were on it right away. They were just immediately trying to figure out what the hell is going on. They just have very little to go from at this point. And we move into March 8th after the January 30th attack in Columbia University, where a student Virginia, I'm going to butcher this last name, I apologize, Vosgritian, Vosgritian, who was 19 was walking home when Berkowitz confronted her one-on on one. We don't know what was said. And he pointed the gun at her shortly after, shot her and killed her instantly.

Damn, God fucking damn it. She had reportedly tried to defend herself with her schoolbooks, but obviously, you know, wasn't, was unable to do so. And as after this attack, this Columbia University student that the cops could no longer keep this under wraps any longer. Like, there were whispers that might be a serial killer out there, but no formal acknowledgement by the police force or by the news beyond obviously the reporting of the killings. And this last kill here in March and March kind of bookended that secrecy from the police

and the early shootings in by Berkowitz, while they didn't immediately lead to the conclusion of a serial killer at large, the first few attacks were seen as kind of isolated incidents. It was after the shooting on January 30, 1977 that police began to finally connect the dots. Polistic evidence linked this shooting to the earlier incidents that were thought to be just one-off incidents. It was just by the bullets left over.

And by March of 1977, following the death of Virginia on campus, the police finally acknowledged the public that the shootings were the work of one single man and were likely a serial killer throughout New York. And this was a significant moment as it was the first time the authorities publicly announced that a serial killer who would later be dubbed son of Sam was on the loose and this had an immediate impact on just society at large in New York City at this time. There was a huge effect on the public. It's the lock your doors moment. Absolutely.

There was significant increase in fear and anxiety among New Yorkers. The randomness and brutality of the attacks, especially targeting young women caused widespread alarm. Many people completely altered their routines, especially at night. Nightlife in some areas of the city saw a downturn with fewer people venturing out in the dark. I read a couple articles that said that attendance to disco, like the nightclub discos at that time, went down by 80 to 90% after they were announced that this guy was wandering around New York City.

That is, it's like COVID like loss of numbers in terms of business, even after businesses were staying open. Like that's it. That's a lot. You can't stay open after that. You just have no business. Sure. Women in particular took extra precautions.

It was noted by many women with long hair, long dark hair to either cut their hair or die in response to the reports that the killer might be targeting women, uh, women with such characteristic. So people were just completely changing their hair. There was an increase sense of community vigilance. People were more cautious about unfamiliar individuals in their neighborhoods and were more likely to report suspicious activities to the police. And the public sphere added immense pressure on the New York Police Department

and other law enforcement agencies to catch the killer, making them hopefully work together as the one thing we've also learned in True Crime is that the different branches of law enforcement try to like compete against each other instead of fucking work with one another. And this led to what was one of the largest manhunts in the city's history.

But after that March incident, it wouldn't be long until April 17th, 1977 to the next victim would be shot. Alexander Issa, 20 years old in Valentina, Suriani, 18, were sitting, what else in a car? Having a conversation, when, who else? The son of Sam walked up with his gun, shot at them both twice, and were fat both found dead at the scene

Suriani only lived a couple blocks away from where the shooting had occurred He was just very just hanging out with I assume her boyfriend Then June 26 rolls around he gives it about a month and a half before he attacks again and Berkowitz attacks somebody by the name of and a half before he attacks again and Berkowitz attacks somebody by the name of Salvatore Lupo, a 20 year old and Judy Placido, 17 after they both left a disco and be despite being shot, they both survived this attack. Placido who is shot in the temple, shoulder and back later recounted hearing the gunshots but not immediately realizing that she had been shot at all, which I mean, your body just, I is like instant shock, I imagine. You just can't feel anything for

a bit. The glad that they both fucking survived, especially being shot in the temple. That's crazy. His final attack, however, would come the next month, basically one year to the date from his first kill. His first attack was in July 29th. The last one is July 31st, 1977. He attacks a woman by the name of Stacey Mosquitz and Robert Vellante, both 20 and they were in a car in Brooklyn when Berkowitz shot them. Mosquitz died from her injuries while Vellante was blinded in one eye and partially blinded in the other. But this would be the last attack before the police finally were able to get on his tail and maybe even capture this guy. So yeah,

all those kills one year he went and just shot a fuck ton of people in a one year basically every month. People were just fucking terrified as fuck. Yeah. You know, every other monthish people were terrified. The entire like living situation in those areas utterly changed. Uh, society was like, just, you know, the 70s, even like, the 70s was the last bit of, I feel like that communal safety feeling that the 60s kind of had, maybe even the 50s really had,

because then the 80s and the 90s, I feel like things started changing of like don't trust strangers, don't go in cars, don't walk anywhere without a parent, where before, you know, we even have stories from just like serial killers passive, like going away and riding around with the local handyman and like all kinds of weird shit. I just wonder if Berkowitz is the, is maybe the final tipping point for that kind of safe feeling in America.

Do you think he was just getting off on like feeling like the devil? Yeah, it was the pure violence for him. He was leaving like sort of notes to people, kind of the cops, but they were so vague and they really didn't mean anything and they couldn't trace it to anybody. And they were just basically nonsense, but Berkowitz thought of himself in the moment as a fucking genius. Like, he, he followed all of his murders and his attacks in the news. He was obsessed with like the attention again. He really wanted to be something or be somebody.

And then, you know, he just like lived in that, in that year, a span of never getting caught. He thought he was just better than the cops. And for a while, I don't think he was better than the cops, just not much for them to fucking go on. DNA evidence isn't really a thing yet. And, you know, Belistic's is like, okay, one of how many fucking guns in New York City that can't be traced to anybody. What are you gonna fucking do? And what we learn as we continue here is that his capture is one of those just like happenstances that people we just got lucky. They just got lucky that they fucking got the guy. In the summer of 1977, New York City was now a cauldron of fear

simmering under the relentless heat of a seemingly endless heat wave of fucking violence. The city streets usually alive with vibrant hustle of urban life had taken a much more cautious rhythm than the palpable tension of a metropolis under siege at the heart of the siege was this shadow and specter that had come become to be known as son of Sam who had turned the city's vibrant nights into utter silent eventless existence. As August dawned, the police were still no fucking closer to catching the elusive killer

than they had been a year earlier. The son of Sam had become almost mythical in the way he was being seen by the police, a presence that lurked in the collective psyche of New Yorkers that could just not be caught no matter how hard they tried. But the tides of fate were about to finally turn, as seemingly inconsequential events converged to bring down David Berkowitz once and for all. All of it was because of a parking ticket. Oh my god, that's so good. The break-in, the case that came not from any high-tech investigative techniques of the era, but from a simple, mundane piece of paper, a fucking parking ticket.

On the night of his last known attack, the killer had struck in the neighborhood of Bath Beach in Brooklyn. In the rush to apprehend the perpetrator, a crucial detail was initially overlooked. A parking ticket issued to a Ford galaxy near the crime scene. Now, at this point, the case was in the hands of a man by the name detective James Justice. All right. Love it. Love it. Marvel comics 1960s characters. James Justice, though, spelled J U S T U S to not spell it like the word we know, but fucking amazing fucking name for a detective of the Yonkers Police Department. When he received a call from the New York City Police Department, the task force specifically within the NYPD that was set to deal with the Son of Sam. They were calling it to require about an individual by the

name of David Berkowitz. The NYPD had traced the Ford Galaxy to Berkowitz, but what had linked him to the Son of Sam, they weren't quite sure yet. And that's just, yeah, that's the car he drove, by the way. When he was driving around, cruising to kill people, Ford Galaxy. That's what he was cruising in. Justice with a meticulous eye for detail that had kind of become his trademark, trade mark, I know it's ridiculous, dude. It's very, it's cartoonish from his head injuries to the fucking cop.

Yeah, just reading the sentences is just funny to hear you say them. It's fucking wild. Yeah, but his meticulous eye for detail had become his trademark within his like crew of cops that he was with all the time. And so he delved into the records. Berkowitz had previously attracted police attention for other minor offenses. Remember, the man was an arsonist and just set fire to God damn everything. And an attempt to kill his neighbor mind you, setting a fire and then dropping some bullets into the fire with the hope that when he walked out, you forget that from last episode? So I forgot that.

So yeah, he set a fire in front of his apartment building and then through a handful of bullets into the fire with the hope that when his neighbor Sam Carr came out, the bullets would go off from the fire, and then randomly I assume, like, kill him. And like, you know what I'm saying about the, like, just imaginary nature of the acts that Andrew takes, like it's just like, he thinks it's gonna work because it could happen,

and it's like, he's like, yeah, I'll just do it, and then it'll happen. Like, it's like, it's the perfect crime. Nobody fucking know what was mean when the random bullets went off and it's just nonsense thinking. And so it doesn't surprise me when he shoots people

and then books it before he knows if they're fucking dead or not. He just, he's doing the, it's like a movie. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's all up in his head and it's like, it's so satisfying for him in his own mind's eye. So as he, as detective justice delved into the records with this trademark eye for detail and Berkowitz having attracted the police attention from all those minor offenses, combined

with the parking ticket, placed him squarely on the radar of the task force. It was simply that. He had a parking ticket and when they looked up to him and a parking ticket within the actual crime scene area matched to a guy who had a bunch of fucking minor crimes are like, well, this guy is probably this guy. Let's go check this dude. And so they staked him out. And on finally, on August 10th in 1977, the police descended on Pine Street in Yonkers where Berkowitz had been living. The night was just long and filled with tension, I can imagine, not knowing when or if he

would come out. And as officers staked out as apartment, waiting for the man who had held the city hostage and terror to emerge, they made an initial accidental jump. One of the neighbors had come out and looked curiously into the Ford galaxy because it looked like there was like stuff in there, I guess. And so when they came out and started looking at the Ford galaxy, all the fucking cops came out and like surrounded them. And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

We're just, we're just the neighbors when they were like, okay, you know, they started telling about what was going on. And the neighbors were like, yeah, no, that makes sense. He's very weird. So the cops went back to hiding and they waited some more eventually. Birkewitz did emerge and approach his car. And that's when the police closed in. And there was no dramatic shootout, no chase sequence in any fashion. No, much like the coward he's been from the very beginning, the final conversation was quiet and meek.

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The reality, however, was far more prosaic and far more disturbing. Berkowitz was just a deeply troubled individual whose delusions had spilled over into violence in reality. But beneath the surface of this already bizarre violent saga lies a twist so bizarre. It seems ripped from the pages of this already bizarre, violent saga lies a twist so bizarre it seems ripped from the pages of a pulp novel, a tale of dark rituals, satanic cults, and a narrative that unfolded in the aftermath of Berkowitz's reign of terror.

A seed of doubt that Berkowitz was even guilty in the first place. You see, as the dust settled on the son of Sam Case, with Berkowitz securely behind bars, a disquieting undercurrent began to emerge. Now, keep in mind, we are now in 1977 moving into the early 80s. This is like pre-satanic panic. Yeah, the satanic panic is bubbling up. So, whispers, whispered rumors and half-spoken suspicions coalesced into a theory as dark as it was compelling. Berkowitz, the lone gunman, was not so alone, after all.

The city, still reeling from the echoes of his 44 caliber madness, found itself confronting a new, more insidious fear. In the grim aftermath of the Sun of Sam's capture, it was in the dimly-lit confines of his prison cell that Berkowitz began to weave a new narrative. Gone were the tales of demonic dogs in infernal orders, and in their place were claims of a satanic cult, a hidden society that orchestrated the carnage using Berkowitz as their instrument of choice. He was nothing more than a tool for the arm of Satan from the satanic cult. His letters, once filled with the ramblings of a man possessed about a demon in nonsense, now shifted tone. They now spoke of rituals and rights of shadowy figures

enacting their dark agendas on the urban canvas of New York City. He spoke of the process church of the final judgment, a name that sent shivers down the spine of those who dared to investigate. Psychologists and criminal profiles dissected his words, searching for truth amid the tangle of alleged confessions. And was this a case of a disturbed mind seeking to dilute his guilt or where his revelations the key to unlocking, unlocking a larger, more horrifying truth of what monsters lurk in the city streets? I mean, I don't know if he's trying to assuage his guilt in any circumstance, but bro,

like the scary church have serious demons. Excuse me, it's the process church of the final judgment. I feel like if anything this is, goes along with everything we've been saying this entire time, dude just has this like fantasy world he wants to live in and this just like, well, all right, so I couldn't be the hero, but now I'll be your villain. He's like every dude in the corner of a party.

Like, I'm so brooding, they'll have to talk to me. Until he gets caught and now he's not like, I will be your villain. I was just a tool to the villain. I wasn't actually a villain. Prison kind of sucks. I was just a tool. Because again, this came like a year after

he had been sitting in prison for a while. This is like something that came well later. You think you just realized prison wasn't like a movie version of prison too? And it just got stuck. Yeah, when he realized it wasn't whatever fantasy he thought it was going to be, I still think when he got caught, he thought he was like getting scot-free. I'm like darkness. Yeah, exactly. Uh, he probably saw, yeah, he would be a guy who would be like, man, the Joker movie changed my life.

That movie blew my mind. I feel like he would love that. It has the same vibe. It's like I'm the joke. The baby movie that's ever been made. There's no movie with a more honest message than the joke. Don't you get the underlying meaning of society not paying attention to mental illness? You just don't get it. Yeah, you get the underlying meaning of society not paying attention to mental illness? You just don't get it? Yeah, it's the exact same vibe. Yeah, the notion of a satanic cult with its rituals and dark ceremonies provided a chilling backdrop to Berkowitz's crimes.

It was a narrative that played into the deepest fears and most primal anxieties of the public, a hidden evil lurking just out of sight. And that's when we have Mori Terry, enter the scene about the author of the book I mentioned earlier. Mori Terry was an investigative journalist with a penchant for the obscure obscure and the occult. Terry armed with the relentless curiosity and what he claimed as a skeptics eye, delved deep into Berkowitz's claims. His journey was one of weird, labyrinthian twists and turns, truths and lies, taking him into the underbelly of a city already scarred by violence and fear. And in his work, the book called The Ultimate Evil,

Terry painted a picture of a city under siege not just by a lone gunman, but by a cabal of darkness. His claims were bold. The son of Sam killings were not isolated incidents, but part of a larger tapestry of satanic crime. At the center of this maelstrom of speculation stood the alleged orchestrator of this hidden horror, the process church of the final judgment. In Mori Terri's investigations painted a picture of a cult with tendrils stretching

far beyond the city's border, a network of the nefarious that fed on fear and violence across the entirety of the United States of America. Yet, for all the ink spilled, an hour spent in pursuit of this elusive quarry, the solid, undeniable proof of such an organization's involvement in the Son of Sam killings remains just as out of reach as it was when it was far sprung up. The truth that seemed was as elusive as the shadows at dusk. The man was so intent, however, he wrote the book regardless of evidence. And I will say there may be some evidence that Son of Sam, David Berkowitz, might have known somebody that might have been

involved in some sort of satanic ritual thing, but not like a mega church, like a group of like three or four people that might even just like have enjoyed the thought of being satanist, but they weren't actually going to kill people. He like read it from Marvel comics. Yeah. Yeah. He really just kind of created a fiction out of whatever little narrative of truth might be there, but I still couldn't really confirm it with any solid evidence that he

did have any connections to this like satanic cult. The reaction though, when the book came out, didn't really care for what was truth or not. It was varied, sure, but it was passionate as hell. The book sold wildly well. And to some, Terry's theories were nothing more than fanciful concoctions of a conspiracy-minded author. To others, they were revelations.

Lifting the veil on a hidden world of satanic rights and ritualistic killings, Satan was tipping the United States in the direction of sin. The authorities for their part, however. Excelsior. Listen, if we're gonna live in a comic book narrative with this guy, we're gonna speak like one, okay? The authorities for their part, though,

remain largely unconvinced. The lack of concrete evidence, the convenient timing of Berkowitz's revelations, and the complexities of corroborating such outlandish claims left many of the law enforcement just completely skeptical of this guy's claims, obviously. And the cult theory, whether believed or dismissed, seeped into the cultural soil of New York and beyond.

It spawned documentaries, movies, countless debates. The son of Sam Case was no longer just a tale of a twisted gunman who was just so upset with his own mediocrity, he just shot people and now it had morphed into a saga of sinister proportions, almost giving son of Sam fucking exactly what he wanted in the first place. Like this book is exactly what David Berkowitz had wanted. He has become the iconic character of his dreams, whether hero or villain.

And of course leaning into the satanic panic at the right place, at the right time, with the right author who had the narrative he needed did so much to dilute what the truth was of son of Sam and David Berkowitz. The man who just got really mad that his mommies were not his real mommies, and then his real mommy wasn't the person he thought he was, went to the army, came back and decided to kill people.

Like, that's all there is to this man. He wasn't special. He was a nothing whiny pathetic excuse for a human. He isn't this fucking tool of the satanic cult. It just didn't happen. And in the collective imagination, the streets of New York now are still kind of cast in a different light. They are now mixed with the truth in the myth that is son of Sam.

The city had faced terror before, but the notion of a hidden evil operating in its myths that they couldn't really catch added a new layer of horror to the urban mythos. Because now you have just a parasite, a disease that can forever be pointed to as an enemy of the people with no real head or organizational body to go after, an evil that is pervasive in there to use their in control narrative and in a given time. And David Berkowitz was the perfect fucking dude for these people to latch onto and march forward with their narrative, especially since he was going along with it. And even before that, he was talking about a demon

voice coming out of a dog. Like, he was just the perfect fucking dude. And at the end of the day, David Berkowitz is still alive. To this day, he is still alive. They're interviews with him as early as 2020, 2020, 2021, from what I've seen, he is still pushing the same narrative as always. And it just sort of sucks that while this guy did get life in prison and he did not get off on parole, he still got kind of the attention and the iconic light that he was looking for. And that's where we sort of end the son of Sam's story

on this weird kind of in between if he, glad he got caught and his crimes got stopped. But in a way the man still kind of got what he was looking for on some level. And that's it. That's the story of son of Sam. Just a fascinating sort of like American myth. It feels very similar like I'm from California, right? So it feels similar to like the man Manson case in the sense of like what it did to the psyche of people and like what they saw and they look at people outside.

And I think, I don't know, I think that's kind of interesting. And I think he's kind of like an interesting sort of proto version of a type of person we see a lot today, maybe not in the extreme of a type of person we see a lot today, maybe not in the extreme sort of context of like shooting people with a snub nose revolver downtown to like make his dreams come true or whatever. But just people who are going out into the world and acting like they think things are rather than based on experience, I don't know.

And it also, like you were saying about Manson stuff, it also goes to the idea of what the public at large, how they handle media and how susceptible they are to media and what media's role in panic and things of that nature is. And also the idea that hey, there are people out there who will take advantage of a situation. I'm positive that dude was like a book and money. I don't care about the truth. That's how it comes across. Yeah, that author, I feel like exactly what it was, probably pushing that satanic, because

we're moving it, like I said, into the 80s. Satanic panic is like fucking frothing at the mouth at this point. Yeah. Hilariously, only a few years after he'd been in prison, he'd actually be sharing the prison and being in prison as another, of another serial killer, Arthur Shawcross, aka at the mouth at this point. Yeah. hilariously, only a few years after he'd been prison, he'd actually be sharing the prison and being in prison as another, uh, of another serial killer, Arthur Shawcross, okay, the Genesee River killer, uh, way more of a heinous story behind him. But yeah, we were also, remember, at the time where like serial killers are operating all kind of at the same time,

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