Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 230 - The Mysterious World of USO's w/ Sinisterhood

Episode Date: December 17, 2023

The boys are joined by their pod buddies Sinisterhood as they explore the weird world of USO's! Check Out Sinisterhood! - https://www.sinisterhood.com/ Patreon - http://www.patreon.com/chilluminatipod MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Auraframes - http://www.auraframes.com/chill Hello Fresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chillfree Promocode: chillfree Nuts - http://www.nuts.com/chill Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast. As always I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin. Join today by, of course, my two lovely co-hosts from LA, Alex and Jesse. But more importantly than those two shlobs, God damn! We've got ourselves special guests today. People who are arguably more funny than Alex ever has been. Oh my God! It's Kristian Hellerley from the podcast.

Welcome to Chew Em and Oli. Where we are. Thank you. I feel like we've already made enemies. And we just got here. Thank you so much. Thank you for reading that specifically is what we told you to say when we talk.

Yeah, that was the in quotes, like email response you gave. God. Mike D. M. Desson was like, is there anything you want us to say? We're like, oh, there's a lot. I want to say. Got him on this fainting. We're the funniest ones on this episode. No, very specifically, hate Alex. We just hate him.

Apparently, no reason at all. Make that clear. Just fire a couple across the broadside. Yeah. We love all of you. We had so much fun when you all came on our freaky Friday episode. I was thinking about that. It was very good vibes.

Fucking doll earlier, and Jesse, that white balloon nonsense that we still get emails about that. That was theorizing about what that could have been. Yeah, that's the weirdest thing ever happened. Yeah. That is absolutely the weirdest thing has ever happened. Did you ever get answers about that? Yeah, did you get answers about what happened to you Alex?

Like when that car shut down and stuff? No, I got no answers at all. I've completely devoid of answers. Maybe more questions. Okay. I have a lot of questions after the way this episode has started. I'm on the fence. I'm on defense.

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I feel like we got an FFR, Patreon. Shit. Yeah, right. I'm gonna join y'all. I feel like we got to up our Patreon. Shit. Yeah, right. I'm gonna join y'all. There's so much stuff on here. I just gotta go hard. You know, I just gotta go hard at the top because I turned it into a joke.

And now everybody expects me to go hard. I love it. You know what? If they want you to go hard, go hard. Yeah. Don't let them hang in. Yeah, give us that money. Before we get into the topic today, actually, head there in Chrissy.

Have you heard of Neil Brin? I don't think so. If you ever want to watch a Neil Brin movie, if you ever want to watch a Neil Brin movie, don't let him do this to you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, ever see. Starring, I think himself and people, he probably has something on to get them to be in the movie. And it's not like, it's not like, you know, you're watching the movie like Lynch. It's funny, bad.

No, this is bad, bad, like, this is math is torturing people that are forced to be here legally with terrible movies. Yeah, this, um, this fateful findings dot is looks like something I would be into. Percy and I watched, um, Tommy knew a person who had kind of self-funded a film once and we watched it and Neil Brin is giving those vibes. That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. He's got these wonderful political stories he needs to get out to the world

and he's only whatever since bank account to make them. So, they're not even that. He's got political stories. No, it's like, we don't know what he might be doing in the movie where every politician and businessman killed themselves while he gave us the thing. It's a magic movie.

That's an idea. I mean, I'm not gonna say it's a bad one. But imagine a movie that's two hours long about a man going through it, but for reasons we don't know, and it's never explained. Jesse, isn't that everyone in America, we're all going through it. For reasons we don't know. You're describing my day to day. It's what I'm hearing.

But he's hit by a car and is he hurt or not? Did he lose his energy? He takes a shower with his giant face bandage still on it doesn't It doesn't make any sense every every movie is just it's just him every movie being like Somehow I'm special and And I can command women to have sex with me. Oh there it is. Wait commands command. It's always like a little bit Oh, no, it's always like a little bit weird. You know, it's a peek into a man's mind. I wonder if the actress is being paid enough

for what he's doing in the scene with her. No, dancers are not getting in projects. Yeah, those are no. It really has like a college vibes. The whole point is it's two hours of nonsense, but like every 20 minutes or so, he'll go, I have information that could take down the government. And that's all we say. And you're he'll go, I have information that could take down the government.

And that's what we're saying. And you're like, wait, but what information? That's kind of like how I'm sure we'll see them. And then it's, it's the end of the front of a microphone and be like, this is the information that could take down the government. And then all the bad guys are like, I'm so embarrassed and they kill themselves.

And you're like, what the hell do we just want? So what was the information? Yeah, did he say? Yeah. You do get to have a scene of him surrounded by four really old laptops, all of them powered off where he has like, he's like hacking the wine. And he goes, ugh, and he spills his coffee all over and then knocks his laptops off of the ground.

This can happen. This can happen. I'm trying to hack the government. Don't hack the mainframe. Don't hack the mainframe. Don't hack the mainframe. Don't hack the mainframe. I don't hack the mainframe.

I don't hack the mainframe. I don't hack the mainframe. I don't hack the mainframe. I don't hack the mainframe. I don't hack people in his life, would be like, I hacked the government, I have all the secrets. They're like, what are they? He's like, I can't tell to our reveal it to the world. Like this, so I really just talked just like he has that, like a golf ball in his mouth too. Like yeah. He's a method actor, he just sucks on them, titleists. You know what I also know about every 20 minutes,

make the proclamation that I have, information to take our government down. So, I can relate to that part of it. I don't command women to have sex with me that part. Probably good people. It's like a middle-aged man's lazy fantasies. I wish I could just wear my soft jammies and touch my wife whenever I wanted. It's not even like ambitious.

It sucks. He's lazy. He's got vision, it's just not a good vision. No, it's not. We don't need to see it. I mean, you do need to see, you should just once, you should take a look once, just like one time, one moving and you'll know whether you want to see the rest. I don't want you to hate us.

I mean, on the other end, you'll be like, we got tricked into this. And I'm like, do you guys get like a kickback? If we will go on record saying, we're watching this of our I'm like, do you guys get like a kickback? If we will go on record saying we're watching this of our own free will, no one forced us to find something. Yeah. I like that. That proclamation is not as concrete as you believe it might be in the moment. Yes, it's not binding. I'll tell you that right now. You should be hacking the government. You should be hacking them for information about UFOs. A, say, yeah. Thank you, because they're not gonna hand them over freely.

I don't know. They're not. They're not. They took them, they gave us some, and then now they're trying to take them back, trying to tease them, too. It is. It is. It is.

It is back, these. The shit that they're doing right now to like make everything as confusing as possible for the public is insane, and even trying to follow what they're doing, what they're, they adjusted the Schumer amendment and made a ton of adjustments, then undid the adjustments, then redid some of the adjustments. He can't ungrush a grush, man. Sniff, sniff, sniff, sniff, always, always. It's insane.

It sounds like the green works for the government. He doesn't understand what's happening. It's very confusing. According to him, he hates the government, but maybe that's the whole side up to begin with. There you go. Find line between love and hate. Right. Normally, we ask people who come on our show, like, what your level of experience is with, like, UFOs and the paranormal and stuff, but like, we don't, it's rare that we have, like, somebody who has, like, where we have, like, basically the same job on our show. So'm not sure. I'm not sure.

So, you know, instead, I feel like we're just like, we're just like talking all the same language. We came on your show and it was like very like, just we're just started saying like buzz words and people's names to each other. And I don't know, the topic Mike Brought today is pretty out there. Yeah, and Jesse, you shaking your head over there,

but I wanna say, I'm so proud of you, man. I got messages the other day about, you guys played a game about an alien, apparently on your YouTube channel, your gaming channel. We did, noice. And the amount of knowledge you were spewing, impressed people, even if some of it was wrong, you were at the skew and some knowledge,

and I had one message say, I wonder how much. Do they really confidantly? Right, exactly, so you have to say confidantly. That's all it is. That's all it is. Trust me all it is trust me. Trust me. Trust me. I didn't believe a word I said. No, but you know what to say based on the insanity that comes out of your mouth.

So thank you. You know, that just means a piece of useful information was overwritten by what I taught you. You think there's useful information up here, bro? You were a history teacher at some point. They had to have been useful information you in this. You think there's useful information up here, bro. You were a history teacher at some point that had to have been useful information somewhere in there. That was 15 years ago, that's all gone.

Just give up some of your presolures. So, Josie, are you a non-believer? You don't believe that there's extraterrestrials? I'm a believer in extraterrestrials. I'm a not-believer in human beings telling actual true stories. He's our token of the same process of the stuff that we're told is BS by people who just want attention, but you know, that's where I'm meant to lead.

But yeah, sure, there's definitely aliens out there. The universe is too big for their not to be. Sure, I agree. I agree. I agree. As is the ocean. Yes, the more you're on earth. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, speaking of which, I don't know if this is a thing

that we should be doing in the bonus show. But last night at like midnight in bed, scroll through Reddit, I see this ridiculous post on our slash high strangeness. I love that. That's a reddit call. They're coming December 23. Yes. I saw this. It is this ridiculous post where a guy is a ham radio operator.

Best of us. And this is what I'm saying this because when you said they're here right now, this is very important. I think to all of us. He's a ham operator. And he was like going through a bunch of stuff and he found a number code and he started going through the number code stuff and people realized that some sort of hex decimals, something or other and they translated it and this is

the dumb down version without getting too much into it. It is basically I saw this. I saw this. Hey nine aliens are here on earth and they are among us now and they just want us to think they're good boys That's basically what it's really Stalker aliens we we mean you know harm we are peaceful. We are like you except we are K9 We will we love you want you to love us essentially like All peaceful all very peaceful. And if the big secrets that's true, my fucking dog, that's the secret is like dementia. One thing I didn't use for so happy furries are going to be so happy. Her microbiome needs to change to earth.

Yeah. The greatest story that I would be so happy. Me too. This is what we need. And it says they're going to arrive and make themselves known on December 23rd, so in 10 days. Well, I will make sure. I can't wait for that not to happen.

But obviously, if it's not, we will talk more about it in the mini-sode, but that it does tie into today pretty well, because the specific topic we're going to be talking about either UFOs is specifically underwater UFOs or USO. Yes. Now, in the past about five years, I'd say the idea of USO's and UFOs being different has kind of dissipated. And for the most part, there's an understanding that they're likely one in the same thing as there's a lot more footage of them being a transmedium craft.

Coming from the skies, going into the water, or coming from the water and then out and then back into the skies potentially into space, OOF and Nose. But UFOs for a long time are kind of like, are you S.O.'s rather for a long time? We're kind of like the less studied, like less cared about ones. UFOs kind of dominated. So I'm curious, like as Alex was kind of asking, what do you two know Heather and Kristi about USO? So you guys have been like, you said you were deep into this recently.

So I'm curious, like, what broke you in? Like why are you so deep in? What do you know? Well, we covered the, what got us started on it? It's the aerial school UFO incident, which we talked about when you all were on our show as well. So crazy. But in relation to that, because I guess it looked kind of

watery and then on our research for that, we found where people were referring to underwater, possibly the craft took off and would instead of going up into space and that's why you didn't see anymore. It takes off and then goes down in the ocean. And we were lucky enough to interview Randall Nickerson, who produced and directed the documentary, the Ariel School Phenomenon, or Scott Ariel Phenomenon. And we were, thank God, Christie says, hey, like, what do you think about underwater bases

and he was like, they exist. They absolutely exist. And we are so pleased that we didn't have that. That's a bold, that's a bold thing to just say. They are real. He, I felt safe with him. I love that. He given his background.

I was like, I feel like I can ask this man. And he's going to be like, oh, yeah, I'd just say. And he was. No question about it. You were right. And we were like, thank you. When the vibe is strong, the vibe is strong. Yeah.

It makes sense to us, though, because I mean, only 5% of oceans are explored. Like 75% of Earth is covered in oceans. How are we to know what's out there? It's just impossible. And now I watched a history channel up so earlier. And apparently they've got underwater plasma tunnels that allow them to get from country to country.

It's very efficient. And it also, they have a force field around their ships. So they don't even have to get wet. Isn't that the plot of toe-win now? I think that's exactly it. Yeah, like a UFO or USO condo. So they can get in and out. Nothing, nothing's on it.

In and out quick, no must know. Remember when the history channel was about like documentaries on the polling. George Washington. Yeah, I remember watching a slow show. I'm gonna go, but yes. They're playing violins and they're like, and on the battlefield that day.

And now it's a guy in aviators and a ball cap and he had a bomber jacket on with a patch. And on the patch was a devil wielding a flame thrower It was the coolest patch I've ever seen. Yes, and his hat said UFO magazine And he is the publisher his name is Bill Burns and I want to be free is Something else. Yeah, I always wonder why people have a hard time taking us seriously, right? I would take that motherfucker seriously. Can you be afraid not to if he was in person? He was intense.

He was intense. He just screams at the camera every time. That's how you get information across effectively I've learned. If you just scream loud enough, you'll, oh, just, Jesse gives up and he stops trying to fight. It just works really well. Hey, John. God bless you and I, party, party. Hey, sound.com, flash. Who would I be part of?

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and help nuts. You know, thank you to nuts.com for sponsoring yet. So. Yeah, USOs have been around for actually like a really, really long time. And are you familiar with the recent forechan post that was from a few months back that talks about underwater base that generated like UFOs, Perspect, Jesse, I, I'm not talking about it. We talked about it. Yeah.

Yeah. We've talked about it. I am not. I'm not. I am. So good. I'm trying to find the post. The post has been removed.

I can't find a screenshot of it. It's the guy who was saying he was reverse engineering the craft. So the guy who was not doing it is what you're saying. Some guy went and lied on the forechand. Well, you have to take it with a pinch of salt. Are you there in the comments, too? I think I saw you there. Fortchan doesn't take anything down, but if the government takes it off of Fortchan, that's how you know they were getting close.

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The whole channel. The whole channel. The whole channel. The whole channel. The whole channel. surfaces and little drones will get kind of popped out and it'll sink back down on those drones kind of pop out of the water and they go off and do their thing. It's been around for at least a hundred years and what they've been able to at least try and kind of figure out is that what they think it's doing is it's completely automated, likely controlled by like a computer system potentially an AI. And what it does is when you see UFOs and USOs, they are unmanned drones most of the time and they're created for spec. Built to task.

Built to task, exactly. Which is a lot of the reasons they are built to be destroyed or they'll crash when they're done. It's all purposely built to just be disposed of after work and hopefully the tech is destroyed where we don't understand it. So they say there's different kinds of drones. You know, you're talking the tic-tac shape comes out of those things, sometimes like the little spheres come out of it, and that they've attempted to approach it with aircraft occasionally.

If they get too close, it defends itself and keeps it, you know, basically set away. And if you do approach aggressively, it will sink quickly back into the water, and you might not see it for months later if you try to like be aggressive with it. So it will disappear for a while before it'll end up resurfacing and then doing what it was doing prior. So where is its purpose to gather information? Yeah, so we, I think the post doesn't really know. They think that it builds drones that go out to maybe like scan areas, get information.

Well, it's part of the mythology of that post is that idea that we were talking about about the aliens, having some sort of knowledge about an energy that the planet has. That's like the consciousness of the planet's energy that we're all expression. Final Fantasy VII. Yeah.

Oh, man, you're talking my husband's language now. The underwater base and the genetics post are totally separate. Yeah, I think that, but I think that one's on the underwater post. No, that's the guy from the genetics post because he got the debrief with the papers and he read in the front of the papers. I love it. This tertiary note from the guy who I'm trying to study what they were here for, that's

totally different. I promise. I think this is the keeper of the knowledge and I love it. I got that in like video games and that's all I can like hold in my brain. I do feel like they could be connected in a way though where the aliens do know of a oh yeah, energy force field that's like running the planet. Otherwise why are they fucking with us? They wouldn't be here.

That post is awesome too, which I think you can actually still find. I want to go right here if you want. The guy worked at Battelle Institute and he was saying what his job was was to try and figure out their genetic code, like the DNA of these creatures. They said they had remains of actual biological creatures, but he said they weren't like perfectly preserved bodies. He said they were bodies that he would imagine. He imagines what a motorcycle accident would look like to these things were mangled and destroyed.

But all he was trying to do was try to figure out their genetic codes, whatever. But when he was getting debrief, he got a bunch of information, and one of the booklets, they're like one of the scientists was just trying to study like why they're here, what they're doing, what they're doing. He said the person, he said to take it with a grain of salt, but what they believe that they're doing here is kind of studying life as a fact facet of science in that as life proliferates on a planet, it generates this kind of energy field. And as there's more and more life, it gets, you know, the field gets bigger and bigger.

But as sentient life begins to pop up, this energy field starts to express itself through sentient beings. And through that feedback loop experience, this energy field has a reverse entropy kind of thing. And then when it reaches what they consider an apop, like the peak pinnacle of whenever it happens, something happens. But we don't know what, and that's what the grays are trying to study. The big bang. They're trying to figure out what happens. The collective conscience is kind of idea, because my old man, you always say, I hate people, people are sheep.

They all think the same way. And it turns out he was right. He was just more advanced in the alien. No, not the alien. You're right. That's the idea. Because we're all kind of like a piece of this consciousness thing experiencing itself to grow.

But that was a note written on a like a booklet that had no backing from a guy posting on 4chan with no evidence that he is who he says he is. So it's a person. It's not, you know, you can't really take it. So it's very legitimate. It's very legitimate. It's very legitimate. Exactly. It's under water UFO post was just this guy kind of going through talking about it. And then for a while, he answered the questions of people. And I've got a list of them here. We'll go over a couple of them. There's a huge amount of questions that we

could go over, but we're not going to bother to go over them all right now. But a lot of the things you might be asking are like, you know, things like, do you they know who or what is creating the craft? And the guy simply says, yes, as mentioned earlier, it's a mobile construction unit that's responsible for the deployment and construction of drones of multiple origins. And it's the ask of any potential that they are made by a higher branch of government or the US. He simply says, absolutely not. And he says what allows him to fly so fast is like we kind of suspect with a lot of these

UFOs, it's a sort of gravity manipulation engine or technology that they're not there's no like propulsion system, which is why you're not seeing any heat signatures or any sort of evidence that there's a propulsion system behind them. They simply are moving because they have the technology to manipulate gravity. And I imagine if you keep creating the force

of gravity in front of you, it just kind of pulls you forward and you can stop it in the other day. When I was like, how do these the other day, I was like, I was like, would we, when I was like, how do these travel? How do you travel? Or do you get the other day? No, the other day I was like, I was like, would we, you know, like an airplane or whatever, you kind of are sucking the air

through the engines, you need to figure out how to do that, but with gravity, and if you could do that, then you can really travel super far, because we were watching all the thing about black holes and like interstellar travel. My husband's very into astronomy stuff. And so as he was watching, I was like, what are the aliens use this?

Where's this base located that your, the forechan fellow was talking about? Where else but the Bermuda Triangle? That's right. There is. It's near a military base because Randall told us that oftentimes these are found near military bases because he goes, oh, well, think about it. If you were going to go into a foreign country, you would want to be near and like keep an eye on their military capability. So it's probably down there. Guantanamo. I just want to point near and like keep an eye on their military capability. So it's probably down there.

Guantanamo. I just want to point out for the record, just to point this out that I don't know how many years ago it was. Maybe only one year time has no meaning. But we had a delightful guest on who's from Bermuda from that region. And he was like, we don't talk. There is no like Bermuda triangle thing here. It's not a, we don't talk, there is no like, Bermuda Triangle thing here. It's not a thing we even, we like laugh at it.

We don't think about it. So I'm just putting it out there. This seems a very like, it's weird down there, American thing. And I'm just gonna put that out there before we continue. Well, of course, that's where it is. The Bermuda Triangle. Well, that's what, the history channel, they were focusing quite a lot on Guantanamo Bay and nearby waters,

which wouldn't you know, it's quite convenient when they try to reach out to the Cuban government. And they're like, the Cuban government won't give us random Americans, even with his flamethrower devil patch. They did not want to give them secret military files about what could be under the water near Guantanamo Bay. They showed the actual document and said, we want no part in this one. So ever which is crazy because our relations with Cuba are amazing. It's always good. Yeah.

Always there are friends. So what are they high bizarre, but after all the Havana said, drum shit, I'm sure they love us. So like, please stop using our name for that. But they said there was an intersecting X underneath the ocean surface that a top ranking government official was able to see with imagery and that they say, if you follow the trajectory, it goes straight to Guantanamo Bay, almost like a, like the tunnel system would, and then they had him, where did they go from? Oh, I, they go.

Wait, so is this, is this? Is this Japan, Finland, England, Caribbean Sea? Time out. So is this intersecting X? Like this is even like, I wanna know where it stands. Is this tunnel's tunnels, or is this like, ley lines kind of vibes? Well, they, you know, the skeptic on the show who's just paid to argue with them. I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a shit either way.

You're going to reveal Jesse's role on the show. What? Big science pays him here to debunk us. Right. He was saying that they are raised, they don't look like any kind of man-made or normal type of ocean topography, and that it would be like part of the tunnel system to go through for them to travel. Their plasma tunnels. And was that the area that the other thing we found to do our research was I think a self-made documentary on To be.

And he narrated it himself and he was the only talking head and it was all like a free use common, like what do you call it, like the footage you don't pay. Creative comments, yeah. Yeah, creative comments footage. And he was talking about this area around Bermuda was one of, of course, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, was speaking as if a producer was sitting there, but he was very clearly just reading a teleprompter all to himself.

Because occasionally he would repeat like the same exact line because there was a glitch. Oh my God, thanks for asking. I got swindled because that was on Tubi for free and then I was searching audiobooks on Audible and it was like, I thought it was an audio book companion, and it was 100% just the audio. So I was out $8. Damn.

Damn. To just round out this, like, 4chan post, a couple of the questions that you kind of asked earlier, just some answers for those things. So when they talk about how they come into the conclusion that the UAP are being released are extraterrestrial. If they don't know what the UAP are being released are extraterrestrial. If they don't know what the UAP are beginning with, or if there is nothing inside of them, it's a pretty big jump to go right to extraterrestrial

to the guy response to that by saying, they crash sometimes, parts fail and gravity engines near the surface of the planet can be like crossing an intersection. We recover these and sometimes find passengers. We mostly sleep drones now. Back in the earlier days, we saw a lot more piloted crash. So, you know, he's saying that's how they know their

ET is they did used to have bodies in them, but that was earlier in the previous, and if it's true that like coming into a planet is, you know, difficult for a gravity engine because a gravity changes pretty quickly, maybe that's, yeah, I mean, who's to say the aliens are perfect when they create their technology? They could just be, we fuck up all the time. I'm sure that doesn't nearly it is fucking up This doesn't necessarily stop when you become any any technology is a compromise with the laws of physics You know what I mean? Why is yeah, I didn't wait to say that it was Alex very sorry We'll shit it on you up

Great, alright. Hey, I'm a girl But that's a good point that's a good point, because we just covered the flatwoods monster recently. And that's some, there was like six UFOs that same night kind of traveling in a certain distance apart that could, that were piloted, but that was way back when. And now I would make sense that if you could preserve extra trust through a life, you'd be like, Lice and anyone else out there, we'd send a drone. Yeah, so we're doing now, even in the modern world, we're like,

Lice and pilots, it's a drone skillet. Yeah, it's a drone skillet. It's a drone skillet. Why can't they plus up, right? But doesn't that lead this to be more modern day mythology than actually real? Like,

What is the idea of, like we were just saying? Well, we don't want to use pots anymore. We want to use drones. And so we just put that on the aliens or the aliens. Using values, yeah. Yeah, just like a, in ancient Greece,

the ancient Rome, like gods had very human characteristics, even though they were gods. And so we, these aliens who, they can travel light years, but we're like, they're just as dumb as us. So they definitely need makes us feel better. And we, and it's, and when we talk about like the earth, there's some sort of rhythm and force. Like that's, that's just most of this is at the end of the day, D and D. Like we are just adding D and D characteristics to things that were like, yeah, yeah, that could be it.

And I don't know if it's because it's a universal concept to have like the life force of the planet or these aliens like, I don't know if it's that or it's really just us putting it on stuff. Honestly, I don't care to Larry, see the way I ask for it. But it's, I think a lot of the theories where humanity is like the center of it are made up. I do think that the humanity being the focus of these aliens attention is silly.

I think if anything, if this is happening, we're likely a tertiary, like, we're being watched or we're being just observed, maybe one of millions of different, imposter syndrome that they're just like we do what is you. You're worth, you're worth being studied, Mike. Let me say, you're worth you're worth being studied Mike let me say Thank you so much. I appreciate that we covered that Larama the last stop Larama that really small town in Australia where there's Only like 11 people and there's a billion people 7 billion people in the world and we are focused on a town of 11 people Because it's weird and small and fascinating. So maybe we're just the Larama of the universe that they're like those Earthlings are why you'll yeah earth, earth is like a one-ice-like primitive creature.

It's get technology below each other out all the time. They're like monkeys with no hair and they're putting pants on and hugging each other. Oh, ridiculous. And as soon as the alien dogs go live on the 23rd, it's day-of-the-night. They're gonna reveal them. I'm just gonna chill out with them.

That's my plan. I'm gonna say the same thing. I agree Mike that it's arrogant to think that we're the focus. I think we're just nothing to them where it's, you know, I mean, how often do we consider like our relationship with an aunt, you know, or they're just something on the ground that occasionally. For the animals that is you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. so, but I also think there's something to be said that aliens are a very highly evolved us. So I went on a rant the other night after taking an edible to Heather about how I think

it's like a normal weeknight. Yeah, that's right. She's back porch. I feel like. I feel like. I feel like. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that.

I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that.

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I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. I feel like that. thing that like an advanced life form or an extraterrestrial has known for hundreds of thousands of years, but we're just now catching up to it. So I feel like to your point, Jesse, like, well, are they, you know, are we, they are stupid as us? I think they're just like highly evolved and we're just kind of like slowly catching up. And if we could live long enough, we would evolve into what they are but that's maybe in a next lifetime we'll come back as one of them. While we're here can I post this question because I love around the room air quotes vibes

on this. Okay, we're in a simulation. Let's just say we're in a simulation. All right. Good or bad? Honestly me, I would have sided with the robots in the Matrix movies. Joe Pantiliano over here. Oh yeah, I would have eaten that steak.

They're giving you everything. Yeah, I would, because I feel like life in general, like, is, you know, what is existence? So I'll take the robot version, like I don't care. Yeah. And I'm curious, like, does it matter even if we're in a Matrix, right? Like, doesn't even matter. At the end of the day, you're still living a life. Yeah, yeah.

How will you live differently? What would you do? Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I think, I mean, your perception's your reality. So whatever matters to you in your life, if you're doing that, then that matters. But in the grand scheme of things, everybody dies. So does anything really matter? Our legacy doesn't really matter. If I turn off the robot battery, fine.

They'll be using me for something. That sounds pretty cool. I know you'll hear it. At least I get nice dreams. Well, we should all live like we're in a simulation. Tim Gross had lived like your Diane, but lived like you're in a simulation, and you're a battery, just a human goo battery.

Is that theory that like if we ever truly figure out all the laws of physics in the universe, like we understand how the universe works, the universe would collapse because it's not supposed to be known. We can't know. The idea of like if we know how to manipulate reality in a scientific level, then you just reboot. The aliens implanted that, the simulation implanted that in your head so you won't figure it out.

So you stop bleeding. I still want to know. I just didn't mean I didn't want to know. I just too stupid to figure it out on my own. I'm trying to pull that last check a workout. The idea of like we're just catching up, I mean one thing we've talked about so much on this podcast, both Miniso and a main episode,

is just the rapid developments alone in like quantum science the past few years. Like being able to with our, whoo, was it? They created like a black hole, the size of an atom for a fraction of a second, which means like they were able to pierce the size of an atom for a fraction of a second, which means like they were able to pierce the fabric of space time on some level.

We are humans are able to do that. We are, you know, with quantum discoveries of like, is time real? What's entanglement? How does it work? And every time they try to test it, to disprove quantum science, all they do is prove it to be real. You know, we're just discovering, we're just discovering the ability to poke at reality just a little bit and be like, what are you?

And like you said, at the very beginning of that, Christy, we're the very, very star. I think so. Heather once listened to a podcast about quantum science and thought she understood everything and then immediately forgot it. And to this day, she's been trying to find this episode. She can't find it. I can't find it. It was like so long ago.

It was on SoundCloud. Like that, how old this podcast was? It was probably like 2011, and I was like, no, but I understood it. I understood it completely. Oh, science is like, you're in science class, and then you're like, Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get it. Uh huh. But you know, it's that, I love that because you know, electrons, just on that basic level, there's the theory that,

because every electron is identical. They're spinning at the same rate. It's one of the exact same thing that people, there's a theory that like every electron is technically the same electron. It's like the flash at all places at all points in time because time isn't real or like it's fucked up. And that's when my brain melts and I go, I don't really know.

Time is something that also makes my brain melt. It's made up. It's just something we all made up is humans and come to collectively agree upon. But if you look at people that have had like, I don't, do they call them near death experiences? They change the terminology on that. I was just reading about one the other day. But yeah, you're right. Yeah, it was too, actually.

This woman who went to like, who died for 24 minutes and saw nothing. Yes, I read the, yes, I read it. God, well, now I have another rabbit hole to go down. But everyone, you know, all of people say that when they have come in contact with death, that their whole life flashes and it's just like that, because time really is so short.

Like our perception of life on earth is like, oh, we use 80 to 90 years average, but in reality, it's just like a few seconds in the grand scheme of the universe of time. Because doors in your brain open. I think it was American Scientific Magazine talk about like they did test on people who are in cardiac arrest and you see the function of the brain does flood open all of those memories.

So your perception would be that you are in that moment feeling all of those things at that time in that order and those doors stay closed in our brain so that just like every day walking around, we don't lose it. This is what if everything that ever happened to you just came out. Oh, I'm good. You're like, oh my god, that thing got fucked up in third grade and I'll be back. But to that point and bringing that back to the quantum physics is I was looking at some unearthed CIA documents that was talking about the theory that the universe is between a white hole and a black hole

and that all of the time is existing all at the same time. And by virtue of that, our perception is what we're just experiencing in the moment. I don't know. Maybe our brain we evolved to perceive time linearly to survive better. That's the vibe. That's the truest.

That's the truest. I think that's the truest explanation. Who fucking knows? Which just means we've been doing this infinitely forever and I just don't wanna do ages one to like 20 again. I just don't do those again in a second. Get in me, I would do those again right now. I'll do zero to zero to 12.

And then if I could just black out from 13. Zero to 12 is wasted years, that's garbage years. I know, that's what I'm saying. Like it was just, it was just a chill time. I didn't care about it. No, you were stupid. You were just run around, pooping yourself and getting in trouble wasted time as far as I'm concerned.

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It's all connected. It is, it is. I do feel like it's all connected. I do, honestly feel like it's all connected. These aliens are not just there. There are ways to move in. What if it's multiple things? Because there's the idea that these aliens,

some of these beings are trans-dimensional in that they're peeking through from a dimension above time and space that they've been able to either. Manipulate because of technology or they've exist beyond that because of other layers. I mean, it's possible because a lot of these, if you look at abduction scenarios, there's a common thread through a lot of them,

but all of them have some weird personalization Among them like something they experience in that UFO abduction only makes sense to the person who's being abducted I always think about that one where the kid who was on the farm and he got brought on to a spaceship And he was like in the early 1900s or late 1800s and he saw like a creature just what during meet of an indescript kind Somebody working on a machine on his right of some bizarre like things that make sense that if you were like a leader of a farmer, yeah, who's like chopping meat for dinner and working on their farming tools, kind of like makes sense a little bit, but even for him, it was like kind of bizarre. And then just like a lot of

just unique things like that, maybe that's because there's a psychic black specter, mental aspect, or like a consciousness aspect is a better word for what I'm looking for, to how some of these things interact with us. If they are, I just wish they would interact with me, so I could talk about it on the podcast. We told you what to do last time. We talked to you, didn't you try?

I tried, I did, I took, you bear asked it. I bear asked it front lawn Quietly waiting from the hours of midnight to 5 a.m. Okay. Well, you need to call out you'd be like Give a little hall. Shake it a little shake it a little Some shoday on oh yeah, you got to Get nice and oily nice scent of oils Oh, dude, if I can learn to clap my cheeks, I can clap in more code. I don't like to signal them. She can clap the Ruby slippers together.

You clap them Ruby cheeks together. You're like, oh, mom on that spaceship. They're going to run on the wrong podcast. Baby, well, I might, truly, you don't even need to get abducted at that point. I'm just truly, I'm going to be abducted. It is the problem. This is not going to be by what I want.

No, but to your point, Mike, when you're talking about that, there's some sort of personalization we covered Sam, the sand down clown, which was in the UK. Yes. It was these kids that saw this thing, and that was near a cliffside, near water, and their dad had seen stuff in the air force. And a kind of course, and, yes, not a base, but it was, I think, just an airport. Maybe it was an insulation. Yeah.

I think it was a military airport, but it's all kind of near there, but they saw it and it's like their interpretation of like, oh, he was a clown. He had different colored faces, but when they dry, you're like, well, that kind of looks more like a robot. But it's when people are repeating back their experiences to you, it's always going to kind of come out in whatever it's colored by their perspective. And literally, they have a child doesn't have the same languages and adults to describe the types of things that they're seeing. Everyone was like, it's a pedophile in the woods and we're like, but what if it's really an alien? That's what I'm doing. You were talking about that story.

Boy, that's a great story of being lost in the woods and this weird robot creature is super nice to these kids, but it's like really weird and like seeming to try that. That's human and it's just very bizarre. It is weird. Speaking on like a weird microphone and yeah, they heard it in their heads like everyone said like the telepathy. Which most people say. If it's an alien, they're using telepathy.

Maybe it's appearing in a way that the kids brain is trying to like interpret as something familiar. I mean we all understand the idea of the parathyria effect where the brain looks for patterns if there's no pattern there, they could be something along those lines. Yeah, and another good example is the Rendlesham Forest Incident, which is also in the UK, but that was the UK military, and we have their audio recordings of that. They found something like flu low overhead landed in the forest nearby. The military unit went out there to see what it was.

And we have them talking and seeing and tracking the thing. But they also all craft. But the two that went up and approached the craft saw something slightly different. Each. They both saw craft of familiar shape. But one saw glowing and changing lights. Another one saw glowing light that formed into different symbols on the craft itself, but the other person didn't see that. So it's just why are they seeing two different things? They clearly saw something because other than the two of them, their whole unit went out there and like track this thing.

Something did land out there. It's just they don't know what it was and they've draw, they've drew like pictures of it. They have like their official government filings that you can read. But we don't know what it was. And they don't know what it was. And it was a slightly unique experience between the two of them. And there's no real reason why. That's what they said on that history channel, documentary too.

Documentary. That's a very loose thing. But they have the crafts have the ability to morph into and just disappear also. So it could, you know, sometimes we could be not seeing something in this up there or maybe it morphs into like a regular aircraft or something and so it's up there,

but we just think it's, you know, one of our things, one of our. Yes, and one of ours. And we've talked about this before and the podcast and it has the idea that if you look back at UFOs over history, what they look like changes. Sometimes in the early, early days,

they saw weird like skyships or bizarre looking hot air balloon things that were not quite hot air balloons, but they looked like it with weird space men that had weird space suits that don't aren't described as grays, but are more described as like furry monkey creatures. It's just, it shifts and there's an argument there that Jesse has made many times, that it's shifting because pop culture is shifting. And so the story's changed to fit us, to fit to the end or whatever entertainment idea

is kind of floating out there. But yeah, it's trying to- Well, I mean, because in that aerial school event, the kids there didn't have access to TV cartoons and comic books. And when they all ran out to that one spot and then ran back in the teeth, we're like having a complete meltdown. The teachers like, I don't know, just draw what you saw. I don't know how to help you. And then when they all drew similar, but different things. And then when they're interviewed by the psychologist, who's like, they got that same telepathic message. They were convincing people, yeah.

I mean, well, in the telepathic message, we're similar but different. Some of them were like, you know, technology's gonna destroy this if we have unlimited, if we just unfetteredly let it go, you know, nuts on the planet. But the other ones were like, you know, we need to be kind to each other.

So it's like they kind of got images, but their interpretation was different, but there's something to be said for that of like manipulation of perception. Yeah, I mean, the kids also say from that, that like when they saw the beings, they kind of got like locked in on them. Like they was hard for them to break away

just from looking at them and that they're like, everything kind of like went silent, except for what they saw. And some of the kids felt like a joy and a happiness. Others said they feel kind of scared, if I remember correctly, but like, yeah, it's weird, but they also saw something similar, but there was a unique thing each one kind of experienced in their own way.

Trying to loop it back to USOs. The idea of USOs, especially in the US, it actually goes all the way back to really 1947. It's kind of like the first USO that we have documentation of. And it was the incident called the Morrie Island incident in Washington. And it's often overshadowed because around this time, Roswell also occurred. And two years prior to Roswell, there was the potential Trinity incident of the first UFO to crash after the first nuclear bomb test prior to Roswell.

But this incident, particularly the Morrie Island incident, involves sightings of six donut shaped objects in the sky near Morrie Island and debris from these objects allegedly fell into Puget Sound, suggesting a connection to potentially USOs. We'll cover that. We're going to go over that a little bit more detail. I'm going to go through a timeline of the most common USO sightings up to 2019. It's not that many. Yet 1963, the USS Trapang out on the Arctic Ocean,

the USS Trapang Submarine allegedly captured photographs of a USO in the Arctic Ocean. These images show a large, unidentified object emerging from and then submerging back into the ocean itself. In 1967, you have the shite. Hold on, that's crazy too, because the post, that same post about the Bermuda craft, said that sometimes, rarely, if I'm remembering this correctly, incorrect me if I'm wrong, said that like rarely would like retreat to the Arctic Circle.

Like the same, it would move a page. Nobody can go down there. so it's nice and empty. That's a great place to hide. Randall said stuff's going on in the Arctic Circle too. I mean we can't do it. I was talking to Dean about this. Our producer a little earlier in that if you're going to hide from us on the planet, you're going to go to the ocean.

Yeah, we can't go that deep. We just watched a submarine get popped. Yeah, we cannot go that deep. And we have only a couple of you can escape James Cameron though. James Cameron. No James Cameron and Victor Prescovo. If you have no operation deep ocean, Victor Prescovo is a Dallas. He's from Dallas, but he built a submersible and then dove down to the deepest point in all five oceans for this Discovery Channel show. And then he sold the submarines to someone involved in the video game world.

Gabe, someone, that's a Tommy Gov. Maybe a Jesse question. Gabe knew. A Jesse question. Yes, I believe he bought the submarine. The valve man. Yeah. So anyways, but the fact that he could even go down

all the way as deep as he did, it's just, he went to one specific spot. It is so overwhelming how much more spacers and to see the topography and the way that they have, I mean, they're very precisely fighting current to try to land exactly on the deepest spot. So it'll count. They also sent probes down there with photos. And even with the most technology that they have, this guy was like, you know, made all

his money, I think in private equity and like, you, hey, he had backers and stuff to have this technology, even with all of that, it was so hard. It was also kind of a bummer when he got down there and there's like a Coke can and you're like, just leave it in the yard. Don't throw it over for it to go somewhere. And it's down here. But to or how much effort, time and money, that makes it true. But the amount of effort, time and money it takes just to get down there for the brief

amount of time he was down there There is just so much expense that we can't even look to I mean even you got radar and stuff and whatnot But if they got the technology to we can we have things that bounce radar off of you know the US military as a capability To avoid detection and radar in situation. So why wouldn't somebody Course they do of course they do somebody who could be under water that long I mean or morph into something that is you know, they just blend it. Yeah, I mean yeah, Octopus many think that they are aliens But it's true. No too much. Yeah, they're I think there's there they're pretty smart. They can open jars. So They can predict the ball match to a set. But even the bases down there, if Victor Veskovow

round in a corner and there was one, it just camouflages itself and looks like, you know, the rest of the ocean down there. Big rock. I think it's kind of a big whale. James Cameron, like 10 years just to prepare to go down there for the first time. Oh, but then it took him 10 years

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And this is that, you can go back, there's like news clipings and stuff, 11 people saw it. They heard what would sound like a large whistling noise, and when they looked up, they saw something that looked like it was on fire, whistling down like a bomb, and then it landed and crashed, and they couldn't figure out, they never could figure out what the hell it. Cheese, that would be scary. In that homemade documentary, he mentioned the Shag Harbor incident,

and he also said that witnesses, some witnesses saw what appeared to be a second craft, follow the first into the water, and there was conjecture that like maybe, you know, if you crash, you come a recovery mission comes to help them out. Yeah, they saw, they claimed to have saw another, another object floating about like 250 to 300 meters offshore where they think that first thing crashed in.

Yeah, no, no idea what the fuck it was. Then in 1970, the Baltic Sea anomaly discovered in 2011, but believed to have been there since around 1970, this odd structure on the seafloor sparked various theories from a natural geological formation to, of course, ancient artifact or crashed us. How do they know? They didn't find it till 2011. Yeah, but they, yeah, I imagine there's science reasons they think it from 1970. I don't have the specific science reasons.

Science reasons. Well, I mean, right, they haven't. We haven't mapped the seafloor when we covered Atlantis recently. We've learned about the seafloor 2020 plan or 2030 plan where the whole idea is that they have to mess. So I'm like, so it's not math jet. So we don't know. We don't know. It's not an idea. It's hard to share it. It's a story as they say. We're going to Deja Vu territory here, but I there was this new story that we did on the show one time where it was like, we just found out like all the sharks

go to like one hole at one point in the year. And you're like, what? And they're like, yeah, there's a time hole. It's like a time where like all the sharks need to go have babies and they all just like go to this like deep shark sex cave. I've heard of that. The orgy pit, I think they call it.

Yeah, and they just, we didn't know about shark shark cave. Yeah, we didn't know that existed and pit. I think they call it. Yeah, and they and they just we didn't know about shark shag cave Yeah, we didn't know that existed and the idea that it exists is crazy and that The plot of Meg to know I Know that is the plot there is the why we went to the Mary on a trench. It's okay. Perhaps The ocean floor is a facade and if you just It's so good. Perhaps the ocean floor is a facade,

and if you just, perpel hard enough down, you're gonna hit the under, the real ocean, and that's where all the shit is. That's what makes me sad. It makes me, meg2 makes me worry. The Victor Vescovo is part of a greater conspiracy, because he was down there,

and he did not go further. He just stopped right there. Maybe he didn't, he didn't, he didn't try though. You didn't want to. He made you do it. He looked in, they told him. Saul and I looked back, it was like, nah dude, just try and.

No. No. I don't like talking about Meg LaDons, I was victimized by the Discovery Channel and they're from Meg LaDons. But you're gonna say you're a my god, I swear, Meg LaDons. And I swear to myself it worked

and in law school class. So that was cool and fun. Thanks a lot. Discovery Channel, you know me, Meg. You know me. Heather thought that it had been rediscovered in, though, I thought it was real. She talked about it at a work event.

And then she got ignoilated. That, that was not real. That's like the mermaid. I told my mom just like the mermaid one. It was before the mermaid show, but I told my boss who told other people and then I went and I told my friend who said, no, honey, that was fake.

So I had to come back to work and be like, do you remember how I accidentally caused you to embarrass yourself and make a mend? So it's not even a fault. It's not even a fault, but I'm all over. Jason stayed them killed that thing and that's why it doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, maybe that's what it was.

So Jason keeps his life. I believe in that of all I believe that. Of all the theories we've said here today, that's the one I believe. You think Jason stayed on a secretly like a Nordic alien sent down to protect them? No, I just think he's a normal, an innocent man, a normal innocent man. Which is normal man. It's just a man.

But just innocent man. It was seen cranky's definitely here. 1980, the Falcon Islands incident in the South Atlantic reports emerge of a large underwater object pursued by the British Navy, which led to speculation about a USO, but details of this incident remain shrouded in secrecy and are often debated. Then the most famous one that kind of really jumped started a lot of the modern UFO belief was in 2004 that USS Nimitz encounter in the Pacific Ocean. While primarily known for its aerial UFO encounter, there were also reports of an underwater object moving at high speed as detected by sonar, suggesting it possible, the USO connection.

We're going to talk a little bit more detail about that one in a minute, which is going to get through the last three. And there was O6, the OHAIR International Airport incident in Chicago. Following the sighting of a UFO at the airport, there were, there were unconfirmed reports of related underwater disturbances in Lake Michigan, hinting at USO activity. 2010. That's a deep lake. Baltic Sea object in the Baltic Sea.

A strange circular object was discovered on the Baltic Sea floor by a Swedish diving team. Its origins and purpose remain unknown, leading to, as always, speculation about it being maybe a USO. And then 2019, the USS Omaha encounter in the Pacific Ocean. This was the footage that leaked in 2021 that showed a spherical object hovering over the ocean, then submerging, observed by USS Omaha. This incident is one of the most recent and well documented ones cases.

That's when we've shown on the show multiple times. So the heat signature, like two miles out, so you can't really tell what the thing shape is, but it's circular because the way that the lens captures the heat that mile out just kind of flares out, and that it was hovering, it went back forth, up down, and then eventually at the end, it was just like, loop, it went underwater. You can hear the- The front left right, AB start. Is that power goes? Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Nice. I think you just got some clout with Jess.

For that one. I mean, yeah, I'm pretty impressed. That's pretty cool. I'm not even to I'm pretty impressed. Let's be. I'm like Nintendo Power magazine. Tell me I think I do. You're magazine? Oh, yeah. Yeah, we just getting Nintendo Power magazine.

You didn't get that. Oh, no. Come on now. I had to learn how to beat Star tropics somehow. I didn't get the info out of the Nintendo magazine. I am impressed. I'm about to be like, tell me about Kelliants, because I believe. Whatever you want to say. Are you a star. Are you a fellow Star Tropics fan?

Yeah. On any ass. Come on now. I've got that. I've got, hang on. I got a, like Dean can edit the silence out. I'll be right back. Hang on.

Make me excited. Is he actually, what is this man doing? He got the host got up and left. If he has Star Tropics merged, I am going to lose it. Yeah, right. The host was the show has gone. I bet she's gonna get the letter that you dip in water. I think he's looking for a copy of Star tropics. Yeah, that's what he's doing.

He's gonna copy it, Lucy. I very rarely get to show shit off, but Star tropics. In fact, oh my gosh. I used to go to the little movie store in our town and you had to pull the card off that was like a library card typewritten. On a typewriter that was laminated, take it to the all little movie store in our town and you had to pull the card off that was like a library card typewritten on a typewriter that was laminated, take it to the front

and be like, I want Star Tropic's piece. This is, this game is like, I didn't know existed until later in my life and it's actually fucking great. I love this. I've never played it. We were a Sega family, so we didn't have Nintendo's. Oh, Dean, I got a thumbs up from Dean, so I'm not

I got the British guy. Yeah, yeah, I only put a night trap. Don't listen These UFOs are moving in kind of strange ways. Yeah, I feel like they're trying to size us up If you're going back and forth that's like that that to me tells me that you're trying to map an area or surveillance Are you familiar with Jacques Vallet? The explorer? Yeah, the author, the author, the scientist. I forget what he's like specifically, there's a peach.

I feel like he comes up with like Ivan Saiderson and a lot of this stuff like in those type of lists. He's like one of the main go-to guys pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a steal. One of the big UFology people like in our time, he's written a lot of books. He's the one in the movie, right?

Yes, he was the one that was in the movie. He's been close to you, Countries. He went and visited the area of school kids as well. He was out there for a while. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His big thing is, he talks about how, a lot of the way these things move, interact with us,

whether they're from interacting with people in planes or with people on the ground. A lot of it is almost playful in the way that we can kind of perceive it. It's almost as if it keeps itself mysterious, it moves in ways that make no sense and then zip off without any explanation. It's almost like they're kind of, instead of sizing us, almost like taunting us, like almost like pushing us to think about what the fuck is even happening, maybe.

Like, what are you gonna do about it? I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. A lot of what they do makes no sense. Like, why are they doing? Why do they just hover over random people sometimes and move in weird patterns and then fly off? Why do we get what some that just get really bright

and beam a light down on some people and then zip off? Well, you know how a sign says, don't touch the glass on the line cage. And then some toddlers like, you know, do you think this is like we have the similar sign and we got like weird alien juveniles just poking on the glass anyway, just seeing what, riling up the monkeys out for joy ride and their, in their craft.

Well, it doesn't make sense to us, but perhaps it makes sense to them. Well, yeah, exactly. Who knows what they're trying to actually do? Like the arrival. Looking back at the Mori Island incident in 1947, initially it was Harold Doll, his son and their dog, who were out on a salvage boat near Mori Island when they claimed to have seen those six donut-shaped objects in the sky.

The objects were described as being made of like a reflective metallic substance with one appearing to be in some sort of distress. And following that, Dal reported that the troubled object ejected a substance which fell to the water and the beach, and this debris reportedly killed his dog and his injured son. Now if this sounds familiar to Alex and Jesse, it's because we actually talked about this incident way a little more time ago. Now, if this sounds familiar to Alex and Jesse, it's because we actually talked about this incident way a long time ago. Yeah, really, really, really, really,

I remember I, like, I've done three stuff four years ago. You killed this dog, yeah, yeah. Uh, doll collected samples of the debris, which were later described as white, light, weight material. And there were, doll also claimed to have taken photographs of the objects, which were later allegedly confiscated from it. So he doesn't have, of course. So the ATs killed one of their own. They killed a dog better than that. Maybe they started a war with the dog aliens on our planet and their radar. Oh, fuck.

What if it was like a Romeo and Juliet situation and like that was like the end and like now they've learned. We have to interpret it. We're left to pick up the pieces literally. As always, there was an Air Force investigation, two Air Force intelligence officers, Captain William L. Davidson and Lieutenant Frank M. Brown were dispatched to investigate. They collected some of the debris samples and on their return flight, the officers playing crashed and both men were killed. The Air Force later reported that the wreckage of the plane did not contain any unusual debris. Very interesting. The government killed them.

Yep, that was it. They have fucking blew them out of the sky. There's hoax claims that people say that Mori island incident was later claimed to be a hoax by Fred Christman and Harold doll. Doll stated that he had fabricated the sighting on orders from his supervisor Fred christman the FBI involvement uh... was uh... did happen the FBI investigating concluded the incident was a hoax they noted inconsistencies in dolls and christmas account and of course the media coverage that and despite the FBI's conclusion the incident received significant attention in the media and among uf o enthusiasts so the problem here is you can't trust anything. Any of these government, anybody says,

first of all, they're gonna lie to you. This is when I become a Russian. I tell you about how the government's always lying to you. When we said that the government blew that plane up, Jesse, you shook your head, my dude. You gotta watch spy ops on Netflix. They do like the government blows up airplanes of people who are human to their own people. Like, no, they put the predecessor to Manuel Noriega, his like plane upseed.

It's like, no, the CIA blew it out of the sky. And so, and the, I just read it a book from the library that's like the CIA and the Mighty Whirlitzer about how the CIA purposefully manipulated the public perception of socialism by infiltrating these like individual groups in countries all over the world. So, and it's, it's proven. You know, so if there was something strange, unexplained or anything like that and the government caught wind of it, it's like you were saying Mike at the top of the show. Certainly, there's going to be as much obfuscation as there can be of like how do we confuse the people so that they don't really Hey y'all look over here, but look over here look over here. Well who knows what to believe? I don't know

I don't know I'll listen to y'all's JFK episode You know what I'm talking about It's blah blah blah blah It's like how can the government be hiding it secretly on but also be like inept at hiding it and I think the answer is They're not hiding it and that's why they're obfuscating it. Like it leaks over and over and over and over again. So what are you going to do as a government party? Are you going to let the leaks just happen and pretend nothing's happening?

You're going to jump in and muddy the waters as much as you can so that you don't know what's fact and what's not because that's the only other option you have as things leak out to the public. They love to frame people. Yeah, we covered okay ultra Jesse for four episodes for like eight fucking hours. I don't know why you're all coming in me. I agree to see it in yourself. I watched you shoot.

Thank you. I figured you did. You got to use your super to CIA. It goes killed by my yeah. Yeah, turn on your quick on the show. Why do you love the CIA so much? Jesse, are you a plant? Are you one of them?

Let me see your party. Just just say. You take it our money and giving it to the government. The four of them were never seen again. It was the last episode. Yeah, no, absolutely. But I think Maffis is right on the point that there's a weird disconnect.

It's the same thing when you see people interview, and I know we're gonna get messages, but I just don't care. When you see people interview, like people at Trump rallies, and they'll say he's in charge of the government still, but also all the wrong things with the government are not his fault. It's actually, but it's like, yeah. Okay, Tom out.

What? And it's the same thing here where it's like aliens are running the show, but also they're not running the show, but also the government is hiding that they're not running the show, but also the government doesn't know. And it's so the muddy water is the whole damn thing. It is. It's all muddied. It sounds like the CIA is learning. They got me.

But it, but also I believe truly is that a lot of it is UFO guy A said something, UFO guy B said something, UFO guy C said something, none of the matchup. So UFO guy D is like, here's my universal theory for why it all actually makes sense. So we can all have credit for it. You know what I mean? And I feel like that's a major problem too, because again, no matter what we're all doing, it is a business. UFOs are a business.

You'll never hear an argument. And it's an industry where it's hard to be legitimized. Like you can't say like, why have a PhD and you apology someday? But so it is hard to know who to believe just because they've been in the industry so long that might not be a good thing. Their brain is just so. It's weird like purity tests that the general public has in that. In order to study this, you do need money. You do need funding. But just because you get funding doesn't automatically make you not trustworthy.

I will say, for instance, Avilope, the guy who, the scientist who got funding, to go out of the ocean, to scrape for a meteorite, like, you know, doing that stuff, dude got shot all over because he got funded for it to get it done, but you need money to go do it. And then the other side of the coin, you have someone like Jeremy Corbett, who his whole

entire existence is completely just based on the entertainment factor of UFOs, and making money off of his podcast and hit to the Stars Academy, which he kind of helped with Tom DeLongwith, and his current podcast with George Napp called Weaponized. You know, there's that entertainment factor and it's hard to take a lot of what he says seriously because he hypes up everything as the next big revelation because he wants people to watch his shows. And there are times where he drops things that are very valuable.

Those leaked government videos were a direct result because of his efforts to get them out to the public. But then there's also the other side of that, where we'll have an episode talk about this amazing photograph. And when you look at the photograph, it just looks like flares. And then you learn the details of where the photo is, which is next to a air force base

that does constant practicing. And it just makes sense to be flares. But because it's all about that entertainment for him and getting that clicked, you get you, that also muddies the waters about who can really be trusted, what's real, and having to do all that other research, which not a lot of people don't want to do. They want to see a Reddit post with a headline that tells them what's going on and then move on as opposed to the dirty reality of like the Schumer men, men and what crush is going

through and all this other stuff that makes it more difficult if you don't do the reading yourself. It's a lot to sift through. It discredits the real stuff too. Yeah. You know, if everything's lumped into one category, then people that don't believe, they're like, well, everybody's wacky, that it's like, well, if we only reported on this stuff

that's credible and left all this clickbait stuff out, then I think it would be more widely accepted. Yeah, but who's to add into, right? It's like, True. Well, it's like that history channel thing we were watching is they would be a part where they would have someone going, no, I saw a glowing thing under my ship.

I'm 1,000% sure of it. And then they go, well, there is so much bioluminescence in that area. And so luckily, I mean, they eventually discredited in that show, but if you're only watching a clip of it or you're only hearing a certain part of that, then you're like, oh, I've been told that this is real. Oh, it turns out it was debunked.

I can't really trust anything. It's all just a bunch of like you said, the waters are so many. And especially after like TikTok, too, right? Where like this shit just takes off. We did a whole episode on the lands beyond the ice walls surrounding Earth. And like there was a wild pop because for whatever reason, it was like huge on TikTok. Like, people were like, couldn't believe that all this stuff was like hidden away.

So I did like a deep dive on this thing and did a whole episode, you know? And it's like, it takes about five minutes to find out. Like, it's all not only made up, but it's just like, D&D, we gotta stop making D&D real. It sounds like game of thrills. It's like, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, George R. Martin wrote that. Absolutely. And it stopped. But no, that's a good point because on TikTok, you see, like, when the, and Jesse, if you said you were at the Game Awards, is that an L.A. where they had that big thing in the sky where it was like that big digital projection in the sky where it looked like a person's head coming out of it? That was on TikTok recently.

And it was at some Game Awards. And I think it was in Los Angeles or Las Vegas, but the capabilities now to be able to project these things. But people on TikTok are like, project Bluebeams going live. And you're like, that's an advertisement. It's not a real tiger in this guy. And project Bluebeam again is one of those things,

where if you take five minutes and do the research, you can literally find where that rumor or originates. We covered it and we're like, oh, like a guy typed all this and just printed it out. All it is. The biggest problem right now, as far as I say, is COVID messed people up. Like that's three years where a lot of young people, especially in the USA, but I imagine it's worldwide.

Schooling kind of went by the wayside. And you can see the stats, like right now, people that should be at like a 10th grade level or a 4th grade level. It's bad to bummer. I think literacy is bad. Flamete. Yeah, and just, crushing.

� culture knowledge and being able to do like determine what's real and what's the idea. Literacy media literacy. It's just like media literacy literature literacy. Yeah, that's the word. You know, you got it. Terrible right now. And a lot of it then translates into TikTok where if someone with authority says something,

people believe it in ways that are insane to me. There's one that I'm obsessed with. There's this woman on TikTok who makes videos that are just like, the Roman Empire never existed. Here's my evidence, why it didn't. And she'll be like, this is a Greek coin, not a Roman coin. And they'll be reaction videos

We're like that is clearly a Rome like what are you talking about and she'll make like Cultures of videos and show all these views cuz people are like damn. I didn't know that Yeah, and you're like don't know that don't put that in your brain. It's fake stuff You birthed it yourself if you sound like you know what you're talking about, there's a group of people that just believe it because it's like, I saw it and this guy, he looks like he's like 50 years old,

so he probably knows what's up. And it's just, what? You're like, no, he's just been crazier longer. He doesn't know anything. He's not no sniff test of any kind. Yeah, and that's a problem I think right now because you're absolutely correct. There's people see it up thing in the sky

and they're like, that must be X. When it's like, no, it's about 12 explanations of what that actually is, but people wanna believe so bad, and I also think this goes back to the idea that during crappy times, people always wanna believe in something else that will, even, I mean, religion at its height was in the middle ages,

because people were like, I'm a surf. My life is shit. But if I could go to heaven, it's all good for me, baby. You're just shoveling shit, going, maybe it'll be better someday when I'm dead. Yeah, I'll get the gravy in heaven. And I think every, like several hundred years, there's a different version of that.

And it isn't like a poo-poo of religious, it's the poo-poo of like humans really need shit to hold on to And sometimes like the space people will come and save us from all this BS like I can't afford rent But a space person can change for me, you know like they're waiting under the waves to save Aliens are coming to save you they They're not, it's not happening. If anything, they're gonna come in, like, ruin everything. We gotta Carl say in this thing, save ourselves.

Unless they're doggy best friends. Yeah. Do you think that Mike, you think that they are vicious? Because I think if they wanted to have done something to a say already would have. What if they already did? I don't think that in. I don't think that much of all what bites me,

like three, four times a week. Exactly. I don't think that in. I don't think that much of all of it bites me like three, four times a week. Exactly. I don't think they're vicious in the idea. I don't think they're vicious in the idea that they're here to conquer us. Like you said, it probably could have by now if that's what they were looking, if they were real and that's what they're looking to do. But I do think there might be a general disregard for individual people and whether they are safe or not and not giving too much of a shit

about them, especially if you believe any abduction of this, any abduction scenarios, Betty and Barney Hill ones always like a fascinating one. Quick question though, if what does that separate them from humans because we don't really seem like we value human life very much. I mean true. It's a far as how we treat it everyone. It's still our treating people. Frankly everyone. It's a far as how we treated everyone. It's a far as how we treated everyone. It's a far as how we treated everyone. It's a far as how we treated everyone.

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that there would be some sort of chaos. But also, at the same point, I'm fascinated by the fact that if you look at the Catholic church, for example, they fund a lot of science stuff under the idea that like, you know, God's probably created those microbes and those like, and so you would have to imagine that you could easily just say, okay, aliens, yeah, God probably created them to like, it's not a lot to be aliens. To be like, that's how I feel too, is like if you re re, re, we come to the realization

that not just alien life, but sentient alien life exists and they're here and they're millions That's how I feel too, is like if you re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re description of an angel in the Bible is not the long hair trumpet playing beautiful thing you put on the Christopher It is a Multi-eyed thing right not a flame and whatnot. It's a UFO story All right, so cluster of eyeballs spinning in place When we're in Raleigh, North Carolina recently I got somebody took an angel Beanie baby and put eyeballs all over it and it looks like tieanie babies made it that way. But it's a biblically accurate angel. And it's I was like, this fucked up. I want this. But it's a it serves as a reminder on my mantle, under my god, might be

aliens, print, and all of this are made. Because it those stories are not new stories of like seeing weird fucked up shit in the sky goes way back. Yeah, as far as we can actually like, and it's so far back. Perhaps they're all the same thing, just depending on your culture or where you're from, you have different language to describe it. Which is what they said in the aerial UFO incident.

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And this is the one where the USS Nimitz encounter refers to the series of radar visual encounters with an unidentified flying object by US Navy fighter pilots in November of 2004. The incident gained significant attention due to the credibility of the witnesses and the release of the F the F the F lear forward looking infrared video footage by the Department of Defense. The breakdown is pretty straightforward. It was off the coast of San Diego, California. The USS Princeton part of the Nimitz carrier strike group, had been detecting unknown aerial contacts for several days before the encounter. These objects appeared suddenly at high altitudes, descended rapidly, and then hovered at about 20,000 feet.

The encounter was FAA-18F pilots, two of them, super-horrent fighter jets from the USS Nimitz, were directed to intercept these objects. The pilots were Commander David Fraver in Lieutenant Commander Jim Slate. The video description, the visual description for Fraver gave, described it seeing a tic-tac-shaped object approximately 40 feet long, with no wings, rotors, windows, or discernible propulsion system. It seemed to hover over the ocean, causing the water to churn beneath it. The maneuverability of the thing, the object demonstrated extraordinary capabilities, including

rapid acceleration, high speed, and the ability to hover in change directions abruptly and instantly. The FLIR video is a recording of a second pair of jets that arrived later captured the now famous FLIR video showing the object accelerating away at high speeds. And this footage along with two other videos of similar encounters, they were both officially, they were all officially released by the Pentagon in 2020, confirming the authenticity of the videos when they leaked. The investigations that followed,

the event was investigated by multiple parties, including the, including A-Tip, which is now completely shut down, which was a secret of Pentagon program that studied UFOs. And the release of the footage and subsequent media coverage sparked renewed public and governmental interest in these unidentified aerial phenomena. And it's around this time in 2020 as well that UFO gets returned entirely.

It's UAPs now government will not refer. We got to rebrand. Well, because they did a great job. It's too ugly. It's too sticky now. We talked about a bunch, but the government did a great job at poisoning the term UFO from the 40s all the way until they needed to change it to UAP because it became silly.

It became something that people just thought of silly green men and people making up stories. And so now they're UAPs and we don't call them exotressrials anymore. The government calls them NHI, non-human intelligences. That's in the Schumer amendment. It's in a few of Grush's official filings. Like the government now refers to them as an HI instead of extraterrestrials. And that went to a lot of speculation of people going. Of course, it's scary.

Yeah, because that leads to speculation of maybe they're not from space, maybe they're from here or maybe they're from some other, like, you know, travelers. Yeah, I'm sure. We've been sharing. What if we've been sharing half the, well, not even half, because we're only 25% of the planet, the other 75% water, we have been sharing the planet with non-human what not underneath the under the sea, just like Sebastian said. Dolphins octopus.

Have you seen some of the, if you get down to some of those like wild, amazing animals of the deep ocean, some of the shit down there, I don't, it could be intelligent and be able to do it. 100%. I don't know. So, yeah, this Nimitz event, which we talked about on our show, the idea of it going from the sky

and being able to dip down into the water. And like you said, it is not just one fleet of US military personnel, but then radioing and another one going, yeah, we've been looking at those for about two weeks. And you're like, what the hell is that? I was about to call me. It was like, I was about to call me. It was like, I was about to call me. I was about two weeks, and you're like, what the hell are they doing? Man, the thing, it was a great week. It was about a couple weeks of things before they finally were like, all right, go check

those things out. And Fraver even talked about how you could see in the water underneath it just like this huge potential like cross-shaped vehicle thing that sunk down when the UAP went down in the water and like, redocked with it or rejoined it. It's like, we've been spotted, sink, sink, sink, sink and it's thanks down there It mimicked his movements for a while It seemed to like completely go for a head-on collision before it like just dipped out and then it disappeared And again, we have the video of the fleer of it of the in the video and then the radar pings in the two weeks of Pinging something off of the off the ship for it just wild like the details

Are insane and the very last one we're gonna talk about in a little bit more detail is the USS Omaha encounter, which happened in 2019, which involved the US Navy ship and an unidentified flying object, which later became public in 2021. This incident is notable for its high quality video footage in the involvement of a US Navy vessel. This happened in July 15th, 2019,

off the coast of San Diego, California. A littoral combat ship of the United States Navy, the USS Omaha, was involved in the encounter. The crew of the USS Omaha observed and recorded a spherical object flying in the vicinity of the ship. The object was observed hovering over the ocean before it started to descend and eventually disappeared into the water. Its speed, altitude and heat signature were reportedly anomalous with no signs of propulsion, which we saw on that video that leaked.

The thermal imaging footage, the UFO was captured on the ship's thermal imaging systems, and this footage showed the object moving smoothly back and forth, and then rapidly before submerging into the ocean, where you can hear the people saying, we have splash down, we have splash down. And then we have, this was all leaked, And then the footage was leaked. The footage was leaked to the public in 2021. And then the authenticity of the video was then confirmed by the Pentagon after the leak. The investigation. Don't you love it? The Pentagon's like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck it is. Well, they figured out you guys. How long to clarify that

those initial videos from 2017 were actually confirmed real in 2020 like three years later. Well, after the fire and publicity around them had long died down. So long. But it would be the Navy that would know this. That's what that guy and that made up documentary said. He's like, it's not the CIA or the FBI. He's like, it's the Navy because they're the ones out there littered like on the front lines, seeing it. But also, I mean, they've charted it in their logs where it's like, we saw some weird.

The most compelling guys of the hearings too. Yeah, every time. They're not going to risk their whole military career to like for clouds, like you're good. You're a military hero. You're fine. I'm waiting. Yeah, we all sign because Jesse, Jesse's thinking about how to

word something. I mean, they, you want to besmirge the, I do want to be smarter. I'm not going to be a better investor. Um, well, at they do want to be smurged. I do want to be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged.

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I'm gonna be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged. I'm gonna be smurged lot of Maga people that are like, I thought these two women were white. Had weight in the beginning. That's a big deal. All right. No, very, very progressive. I'm trying to remember what the, as much as I want to be like, our good boys in the military,

a lot of stuff gets leaked. I'm trying to remember what the thing was that got leaked on Discord. And they just, yeah, that you definitely did it for Cloud. Like he was in a discord with a bunch of like 14 year olds and he was like, guys, look at this top secret information I have, man got arrested because he was trying to show off the teenagers.

So I definitely feel like it's like maps and documents and shit. But Mama always says consider the source. So it's like a 21 year old. He didn't have a lot to lose. If you're a naval commander of a That's a lot different, but yeah, I hear you. Yeah, that guy was like he goes would have seen some cool You're like show this to your buddies. It's national secret Don't show it to your buddies. You're you're the people you talk your 14 year old buddies on

The court for I have to believe that there's like I don't know if enough people saw stuff We would have more credible things, but I think no matter what I say, the counter from Mike would always be that every time they do say they've seen stuff, the government shuts it down immediately. So. How do you tell the difference? Yeah.

So that's really a non-argument, really. The CIA machine. We have a lot of like, and at the issue of like, well, why don't they have it on camera? Well, we do have a lot of people catching on camera, but phone cameras Let's have a telephoto lens to go along. We can't film the sky with the phone No, you can film a phone with a phone. You're gonna get an blurry tiny object. That's hard to try it Yeah, try unless you use one of those old Samsung phones and you zoom into the moon and then it would you take a picture

It's a simple would just photo shop a moon in It's like this is a maze like a NASA picture and they're like it is a NASA picture And that's the other thing that we see today too, though technically is like, we also think about how easy it is to AI footage now. And like just, you cannot trust anything now on the internet. And people of this, like, and talk about COVID, I think people lost the ability to like stop and think for a second,

and they see something and believe it and then flip to the next video as opposed to going like, hang on, let me look that up and see if that like holds any like water at all and it usually doesn't most of the time. Like Jesse said they comment, I didn't know that. And then they come, yeah. And so then people go, so many people didn't know that either. Neither did I.

And you're, nope, nope, it's taken from me. Yeah, it's a reason none of you knew what this was. We also have investigations just like before, the UAP task force within the Pentagon went and investigated it, but we don't have any, we have no idea what the end of that investigation entailed. When the release of the footage contributed to, at that point, the growing interest in UAPs from both public and government officials leading to calls for more transparency and

further investigation, which really directly led to where we are two years later, right now, with the Schumer Amendment and Grush and all kinds of stuff happening. The notable aspect of this thing was basically one, there was a lack of conventional explanation as to how this thing moved. The object displayed flight characteristics that appeared to defy conventional physics and explanation,

such as the ability to transition seamlessly from air to water, and then turn on a dime without having to change momentum. And there was no wreckage found. Despite a search after it went into the water, no wreckage or evidence of the object had been found after it submerged, adding to the mystery as well. And this incident is part of a series of the UAP encounters

acknowledged by the US government, marking a significant shift in how the military encounters with UAPs are treated, along with the other similar incidents like the USS Omaha encounter, has contributed to a renewed interest in a much more serious approach to the study of UAPs. And that's kind of like the last high profile, that encounter of USOs, or really UFOs, that we have actual physical evidence of in the terms of photos or videos or or or witnesses to it from the military other than grush who as much as I love

like garage coming forward and he's probably like one of the most trustworthy military people that have come forward with this thing he's still passing along hearsay that he got from the inside you know he never fully saw like a UFO only that because of his position and what he was working with. He was working with the people who were involved with that and then on the other side. So he was like that middle guy trying to manage and collect information. And he has no reason to doubt those people that he heard it from.

Right. And he, you know, people came forward and stood up for and like spoke for Grush that are still active in the military now. Um, so, you So, it's fascinating. But in terms of like USOs, it's fascinating in that USOs are really no longer a thing in that UAPs have kind of universally under an umbrella. The vellifuna. The UFOs and UAPs and USOs are all the same thing.

There's a big belief now that we've seen because we've seen them now with, with, with those leaked footage going in and out of the water into the sky, being both things. The question is, what is it in the water? And if it's terrestrial or extraterrestrial, and what are they doing? And why are they watching us? And we don't, that's the frustrating thing is,

we don't know. And if I was to believe. And we don't have that technology to go in and out of, like, to go out of the water in a meeting. No, it's the best. Just like, you can ever be with out of like to go out of the water in a meeting. It's hiding just like you ever Whether you're a certain sort or whatever. What else I'm sorry I talked over you.

It was a bad joke about touristy boat. The duck boats. I was thinking the duck boats or LBJ had cars that were also boasts and on his ranch. He just put people in his car and just driving to the water as a screen and he'd be like, it's a boat too. So I imagine he was doing that. He did an alligator. He did it in five mile an hour.

Neat. Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know, the topic for me is just endlessly fascinating because I just genuinely believe if they're here watching the ocean is the smartest place for them to be hiding. And like you said, we kick it down there.

There's nothing we can do to get down there. And if you ever go and read and Alex posted it, and I would love you guys to go do that, is read later after the show, the genetics post that I was referencing, which is what Alexling, it's because there's a talk how the graze, which is what he was studying,

the bodies of the graze, they're not actually gray skin. They're actually a really pale skin. The gray on the outside is like a thin biofilm that they wear on top that little species water, like a duck, like a duck's back. Like it just allows them to move through in the black eyes. They don't have black eyes.

It's an eye covering of equal thinness. It's like a gong of it. Yeah, just peel them off. See, that's what, and I think that's how we kind of got into the whole concept of an underwater extra terrestrial because dirt when we were studying the aerial school phenomenon, the drawings that the kids did, they talked about that their skin was black and sort of like a neoprene, like a spuba suit, and that they had these big black glass eyes that maybe would be like the face of scuba care.

Yes, exactly. And now we're seeing like, you know, the genetics posts taking it as true, even though we have no way to prove that it's true. Yeah. It just talks about like that's what, that's their repels, it probably protects them from, you know, little weather events that they're not used to,

but also the fact that they can likely walk underwater with it, no problem, or like water would just kind of wash over them. It makes it interesting, because it kind of fits in line a little bit with what we believe we know about USOs and their ability to be transmitting craft of in and out of the water without any resistance.

It would make sense that if there are pilots and them for whatever reason, they would wear similar things to keep them as easily able to move through rough water, whatever, depending. It's just, there's also a TikTok out there that I saw, which again, it's a TikTok, but it's like one of those like caught film footage things

and I shared it with the boys back when it came out and I never saw it really pop up other than that one time where it's like, it looks to be like glove doctor with like a body of what looks like to be a gray and the gray film is off of it and you just see the pale white skin and then it goes in with tweezers and you see him pinch and pull off the eye covering. And so the black eye, I think, is peeled off and underneath you see what looks like a human

eye that's just like three times larger with the just like pale blue iris around it. Which we were saying if you're underwater and it's super dark, you would need larger eyes to take in more eye because there's not that much light. And you would also have no coloring, like fish that live in the Mariana trench. They're like translucent because they have, yeah, no, there's no sunlight down there. May I pose this question? They're anime characters is what you're going to say. Exactly.

Oh, okay. No, I agree with that. I, what if they've always been here? Yeah. They were here before us and they, and we crawled out. Yeah, they if they've always been here? Yeah. They were here before us and they, and we crawled out. Yeah, they crawled in or we crawled out. And so it's not as if they've come here, they've just always been here and that's where

they live. And if you ask, why are they looking at us more now than they ever have before is because we are fucking up the planet more now than we ever have before. And they're like, hey, this is affecting us. Like we're losing water down here. We need more oxygen down here. You're throwing coakans. You said in Victor Viscova down here, this guy over by the Titanic, James Cameron keeps

wiggling his dick down here at us. Keep your shit on the land. If there are underwater, people's societies, et cetera. Even if they're deep, deep in the megh ocean, if they have the technology to pop out of the water, to mess with all of our technology, to really screw us over, and we were destroying their world. Why would they just wipe us out? Why would they like, we bring you peace? Don't mess with us kids.

Symbiotic. But what if they're like, f- leave them? Perhaps they're benevolent. I think, well, and like we were, what were we watching Heather that it said after like major natural disasters or wars that there's a lot more sightings as if they're coming to like help repair or you know, because perhaps they do need resources that we have on earth. I have this theory that the reason they abduct cows is because they need vitamin D from the milk because they don't get any vitamin D because they're at the bottom of the ocean. So they perhaps like us

fucking up the earth is also fucking stuff up for them so they're like hey chill out up there. But if they if they need stuff up here and we're destroying it, then that is going to impact their livelihood as well. Yeah, I mean, I remember the, what's that show called, unsolved mysteries. And counters too, just came out where they talk a lot about this. Yeah. Yeah, well, there was the one setting that's like in, I think it's like great lakes where the ship comes and like takes a bunch of water and like from the fresh water lakes that aren't the ocean

and it's like maybe the ocean is starting to get a little too gross for the for the for our water boys. Pollution. Yeah. Water boy. Yeah. Could be. That's the sequel to water boy and it's about how he was in the whole time.

That's why he talks like that. Yeah, just the idea of them. I don't know why they would, yeah, what would they would need, why they would not wipe us out? I mean, I guess, yeah, maybe they could just keep the devil in. Oh, would you remind of me, if you go and if you do read the genetics post, there's also, they talk about how, well, the gray aliens themselves seem to be like biological drones almost like they're to serve a purpose.

And when he was talking about what he found in the genetics of the thing was that it was a mix of like human, I mean, not human earth terrestrial like DNA and then something that he didn't recognize. It was very simple unlike our human DNA where there's like 99% of it is junk just from evolutionary dead ends as we didn't need things as we kind of evolved. Burn on humans. Oh yeah. We're just 99% junk.

I didn't need a DNA test to tell me that. What I eat, I don't doubt it. Yeah. But these things supposedly had no evolutionary dead ends. It was all just like perfectly like made, almost like in a way that nature couldn't do. And if they are self-replicating and creating themselves There's the theory that maybe they're doing animal like you know

Scooping out animal parts for the DNA to continue to create more of them as opposed to because they just love the taste of like only the Peerest cow assholes. Yeah, like you know Maybe they need that stuff because it helps them like just make more of them over time. Who fucking knows? We're just ingredients. It's ingredients. In the cake of the alien. And of course, cows, because humans have been farming

cows forever, they're everywhere, right? So that's easy. I don't know. Are we still the surfs then? Is that what I'm learning here? I think so. Oh, man. Fad news.

But things will get better when you die. So it's okay. There's something to look forward to. I'm so. Oh, man. Bad news. But things will get better when you die. So it's okay. There's something to look forward to. I'm going to go to the kitchen. You go to Fortnite when you die. So that's some stuff. Haven't stopped existing, dude. You know, they just got turned,

they just got called lower, you know, middle class, middle lower class. Upper middle class is like what the merchants used to be back in the day. You know, they got the wear fancy clothes, but they're not lords. Now we're called influencers. Yeahords. They're called influencers. Yeah, they're called influencers.

Oh, man. That's all I got. We're already an hour and a half in. You know, I can sit here and talk about USOs all day long. But certainly we talk about all this. Oh, yeah. No, I could. I really, really could spend hours talking.

You guys just fit right into the vibe. It's like five is a lot for a podcast. Like, let's be real. It's a lot of people on one podcast, but it feels like you guys have been talking us for years. Oh, yeah. It's, yeah. Like we said, we all got to get together and just have a beer.

Yeah. Cavalier, have a noble, and figure out what the fuck is going on down there. Five. We're going to solve it. It's going to be us. We'll invite Victor Prascovo because I think he's got it. He can get us in the submersible. I don't know if I want to go on submersible. I'm good. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going on. It's safe. Mostly there's an episode where it's freeing to leak. It's a whole deal. No spoilers. He's still alive. So there's also an episode where he's trying to gracefully exit the submersible onto the main ship in a gust of wind just straight up blows him off. And he really tries to save face like a Mr. Bean.

Like Steve's you watched it so many times. Yeah, he just looks and falls. We're like rewind it, run it back. Well, thank you for having us. Yeah, thanks so much We're definitely Heather's coming over later to film some cameos. So we're Just gonna read this DNA article and please do figure it all out if you can't trust a person who says I'm a molecular Biologist on a now deleted Reddit account from five months ago. Who can you trust? Okay, so hey, I'm gonna throw this at you. You're gonna learn this when you read it.

So one, a bunch of genetics came into the post and asked him questions to prove that he actually knew what he was talking about. And he did, which was very bizarre, which is really cool. But two, he was answering people's questions. And at some point, his answer stopped showing up. And the mod's popped and said, we didn't do it, but you've been shadow banned.

So he started editing his post to have the answers in the main post to the people and like that we're asking them below. And then about nine hours later, his account was deleted. And the mods can't figure out how it happened. They can only see that he didn't delete it. It was deleted like outside of his his account. Like nobody knows. We don't know. It's very weird. I don't know. I don't know. I don very weird. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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And make sure you had a check out our YouTube channel at sinister ed podcast because we are recently uploading video versions of our episodes So you can see us and we also have all the audio back on there. And we do clips sometimes from our Patreon live streams when we have a particularly off-the-wall segment. We'll upload it like when I dressed fully as a corn school and then Chrissey was dressed as a detective. I appreciate that. I love what it's like. I mean, it's fun. It's just every day here. Yeah, that's just how there's a tire when I come over. Yeah, you guys have more fun. I make them watch Neil brain movies. You guys, we're gonna have to check that out too. You're gonna have to. You're gonna

have to and Jesse will let you know our thoughts. We can all watch a Neil brain movie together. I just Oh, yeah. Let's do it. I just don't want that for you. I you deserve so much better. The Lords of shit. Yeah. I think you guys again, thank you all listening for being here. We're off to go do a mini-sode over at patreon.com slash to Luminati pod. We appreciate your love. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Goodbye.

Bye. Bye. Any technology is a compromise with the laws of physics. You know what I mean? Damn. It's wise. It's a poetic way to say that. Yeah, that was Alex, very poetic.

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