Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 232 - Ritual Hauntings

Episode Date: December 31, 2023

Mike, Jesse and Alex end the year looking at instructions on how to cause hauntings, in case you're a real go getter. MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our spo...nsors this episode - All you lovely people at HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Nuts - http://www.nuts.com/chill Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast episode 232, the final episode of 2023. As always, I'm one of your host Mike Martin, join my beautiful brothers from LA, Alex and Jesse. Hey! There they are! Watch out! There those guys are, they look more similar every day.
Starting point is 00:00:40 It is us. Hello! It's the final episode before 2023 comes to an end, but how was your holidays, boys? What did you do for, did you get a, did you have a great Christmas? Did you get everything you wanted from Sandy? Yeah, Santa brought me a bunch of pickled stuff, which he, he was a, he was a G4. I'm playing Super Mario RPG. Great.
Starting point is 00:00:58 What could be greater? That's pretty good. Jesse? I got lottery tickets and glasses wipes, so I'm doing great. Santa knows both of you very well. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good. That's that pragmatic sense. Oh, I also got bubble gum and apple snacks.
Starting point is 00:01:14 So like, you know, can you elaborate on apple snacks? Dried apple snacks was cinnamon. Right. What's up with old world Christmas presents? What's up with like a tiny wooden horse with wheels instead of legs that you pull? What's up with that?
Starting point is 00:01:31 What's up with like F.A.O. shorts? I don't think people are concerned about the quaintness of it anymore. Also, it's just- What about like the square robot that like winds up that has the big knob on the back? Oh yeah, or the baby doll that goes, mama, mama. Yeah. I think their time has passed. that has the big knob on the back. Oh yeah, or the baby doll that goes, momma, momma.
Starting point is 00:01:45 Yeah. I think their time has passed, and they are in the refuge of the damned toys now, and if anything's haunted, it's those. I watched a baby video, like not a baby video, but I was like a kid. It was like in the early 90s, I watched a video of us having presence,
Starting point is 00:02:01 and my cousin was holding a nut cracker, like somebody gave him a nut cracker for Christmas. He loved nut cracker. And I was like what like am I like from 1915? This is Alex. This is the core, the root of why you're so fascinated with the 50s and 60s of America. You were propagandized at child from childhood on to love that era. That's true though. Nutcrackers for Christmas? Yeah, I mean, look, I'm from the real, like the South Bay Los Angeles neighborhood of South Bay is like, that's the, that's where it's, that's the homeland.
Starting point is 00:02:35 That's the homeland of all that. I remember as a kid looking at Nutcrackers and just being like, God, I'm so glad I'm not alive where the only thing that would be fun for me is a wooden Nutcracker. I got like socks, a nutcracker, an orange. I will say the thing that people forget, and you gotta remember this,
Starting point is 00:02:52 if you were born in the 80s, the place you lived, wasn't this weird like 1980s vibe you see in movies or on TV shows, or even the 90s vibe. No, it was like left over 60s, yeah. It is left over 50 and 60s. It's even the 90s vibe. No, it was like left over 60s. Yeah, it is left over 50 and 60s. It's all the chairs your parents had from their grandparents. And everything looks old.
Starting point is 00:03:12 The walls of this weird yellow color, everything. It also, the carpet was tacky. Of course, like, the carpet in my bedroom was like green shaggy. Like that. The carpet in my bedroom. You always were basically still living in the 50s, except it was now 30 years later and your parents who grew up in the 50s were like, well, I liked this cowboy movie.
Starting point is 00:03:36 And so you, here's a gun, I bought it because cowboys are cool. And there's like, there's no, people try to fair how to relate to you because they're kid in the 80s and 90s. Your parents are like, when I was a kid, we shot stuff. They're like, all right. Okay. I'll do that. Yeah. I guess that's what I'm, that's what I'm, it's wild too.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Cause nowadays we're watching 90s fashion come back. And in the 90s, I remember when Bell Bottom Jeans were like, huge. And my mom was like, I remember when those were popular when I was a kid. And but it was like the thing that was coming back in the 90s, my sister had bell bottom jeans and those were like all that stuff from the 60s came back. Remember when PBS used to have those telephones where you'd like go and you'd like give whatever money
Starting point is 00:04:16 you can and return you'd get like a gift. A tote bag. It's a lot like patreon.com slash chaloonauty pod which we do right now here on the show. We have tote bags. We make tote bags. We can make tote bags. I think legitimate like Chaluminati foundation tote bag would be so like perfect.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Just like hold on, hold on. I'm funneling this energy directly to you guys. My viewers like you, my creepers like you. It's a UFO, it's a UFO on the side of the bag. The alien inside, right? He's like all happy because he's beaming up into the UFO, books and groceries, the number one and two thing you put in those bags.
Starting point is 00:04:55 And then it can say like, for whatever your travels may need is something, I don't know, workshop it. I think that's the tagline of Star Tours. I'm not sure. I think it is. Look at that, that's easy. I'll work on a tote bag for the Patreon. Let's see what I can do for that.
Starting point is 00:05:11 I'll start working like. Brought to you in part by Stoner's like you. That's right, exactly. It's because of you guys that we get to do this. You said alien reminded me, by the way, before I forget the thought, super short story, another friend of mine, the guy that I talk about when the guy who is marine the guy I've used to think you know talk about a bunch of times Jeremy. Key I was playing games in the last night and he's like by the way I had this really weird you like UFO story it short I don't know it could be anything but I figured I tell you.
Starting point is 00:05:39 He was like driving from for the holidays back driving back to his apartment and he said he was driving and he said it is recent This is like three four days ago recent this happened three four days having like literally a few days ago He was driving and he said he saw something kind of in the sky It was a blue light that looked like maybe kind of like a bright star He said it came down in a straight line He said I wouldn't have paid it any mind except it came down in a straight line And then it turned at a 90 degree angle and took off over the tree line that couldn't see it anymore. He's like, it was maybe a-
Starting point is 00:06:08 Is he aware that he started a country song? I want to pay no mind but it came a straight line. Right? I mean, write that down, right that down, Dean, you're here to write that down. Kind of a straight line. Kind of a straight line. Yeah. He obviously was like, it could be, there's any number of things it could be,
Starting point is 00:06:26 but he couldn't explain it, and I'm just mad because it's not explaining at the time. Kota Banta Strain line. Kota Banta Strain at the time. Yeah. Alex actually has a country music Christmas album, so this is right up his alley. Yeah, I am a,
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Starting point is 00:08:26 Thank you to nuts.com for sponsoring the episode. The year is coming to a close, boys. Chaluminati Pod is coming up on year six, starting in February. I don't know if you're ready for that. Nobody deals. Nobody deals. It's years old, which is.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Best new artist. Yeah, we're the best that. Nobody deals. No big deal. Which is best new artist. Yeah, we're the best new artists of 2024. Best breakout show, 2024. One day, you know, we'll be a breakout hit. But until then, I'm still gonna do topics that nobody cares about. Since we're going into the new year, I wanna do something a little bit lighter.
Starting point is 00:08:58 We're not gonna do any true crime. It's something I've been wanting to do for a while. Today. A question, point of order. The listeners at home. could you go to either the subreddit or the patreon or whatever, write down topics you do care about? Some curious where that falls in line with what Mathis wants to do because he's like, you don't want to hear this. What do you want to hear? I'd love to know.
Starting point is 00:09:20 My reality, the only thing these people want to hear about are aliens. So everything else. But that's, that's a thing. It's your reality, dude. What do people want to hear about? Exactly. See, don't, this is not the topic of the episode. What happened we talked about? What is, it could be like the Mississippi Marshman, like, you know, like maybe that's something
Starting point is 00:09:36 we need. There, there probably is a Mississippi Marshman. Are you kidding me? There's probably like six of them. His name's Frank. Yeah, his name's Frank. He, he runs a small bespoke sausage business. And he goes in Newtland every Friday and Sunday.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Oh yeah. That's how he gets his good catfish. Yeah, it's a good guy. I, the idea of noodling for catfish sounds scary. It's like a jump scare waiting there. That's the ultimate Chiluminati video right there. Mathis going noodling for catfish. Yep.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Let's all, let's, let's go, the boys go noodling. The boys go noodling? Like, it's always sunny. N-n-n-n're just gonna noodle with your dick in the B-rolls? Oh yeah. Hell yeah, brother. I'm about to noodle with my cock, man. That's the real mystery is why we've been doing this in the first place.
Starting point is 00:10:38 That would have been good tonight. Just like that catfish. Nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani, nani I mean, ritual hauntings, I'm talking about things like... Stickin' your dick in a noodle hole. That's how ritual hauntings start, let's be real. As the clock strikes midnight, you slide your dick into a noodle hole and instead of a catfish, it's a succubus and she comes out. Oh my God, it's like a nature's glory. It's horrible. It's horrible.
Starting point is 00:11:23 You put it in my mind, but I'm not at you for making me say that. I can't believe you did that to me. I didn't do, listen, I'm just here to guide the conversation in the right direction. I'm like, will the stilt Chamberlain, you lay me up the shot, I'm putting it right in. I don't watch basketball. That's all right.
Starting point is 00:11:40 What is this the best-get-both? No, I'm talking about Bloody Mary, Charlie Charlie, you know, those kinds of things, things that have been around for actually a long, long time. I know, Bloody Mary, I have never heard of Charlie Charlie and I am ready to find out. Okay, go back to 2013, 2014 on TikTok, the kids who put paper down, spin a pencil
Starting point is 00:11:59 and just say, Charlie Charlie and then it'll be like, something else I have to say and it would go to yes or no. Oh, we just making this up now. Is TikTok even that old? Yeah. It's 2018, 16 then. I don't fucking know. Okay, hang on.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Now you can make me. Charlie, Charlie, this seems crazy to me. I'm never gonna have Charlie Charlie. I'm just saying. I'm excited. I'm not making it up. What are the days where it was bloody married? That was it.
Starting point is 00:12:21 I believe that we're gonna get into it. It's not about, yeah, it's not about the powers of Kwego Deila, I don't know what the fuck, the's not about yeah, it's not about the powers of Kwego, Deila But I don't know what the fuck the Ouija board stuff. It's fucking anon it So you guys remember do you guys remember I got to where I want to and now I'm gonna eat You guys remember that one? No No, no, no, it ends up being a guy on the toilet eating his boogers. I Do remember it.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Yes, he was coming, yeah, okay. That's one of those like, it's like, yeah. It's like not quite a bloody, scary story is telling the dark. Yeah, it's not quite a bloody Mary. It's not quite a ritual haunting, but it's like, I don't know when I was thinking about bloody Mary, I was thinking about that guy eating his boogers.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Anyway, cool, yup. You know? There's a huge list of these like ritual style hauntings. So we're gonna cover about five of them today, but there's so many more. So if you guys enjoy it, we can have you always do a part two of more of these things. And I think you will open up with the one everybody knows. Let's talk about Bloody Mary first. Yes.
Starting point is 00:13:18 I imagine you both believe that you're, what do you explain to me, Alex, what the Bloody Mary like ritual is if you can remember? I don't know exactly. I know it involves going in the bathroom and there's a mirror in the bathroom And this is at least the like child culture like weird playground legend version that I used to do Absolutely is we'd go into the bathroom and you'd light like a candle in the bathroom and you turn the lights on and off and you'd say bloody Mary three times and she would appear in the mirror. That's vaguely the one. I remember something like that.
Starting point is 00:13:48 I don't know. Yeah, yeah. From what I remember as a kid, it was a go-in, shut the lights off, say bloody Mary three times and turn the lights on and she's like in the mirror or something. I don't, she's like, yeah, that's that's what I remember. But yeah, we've all had that in our childhood and it comes, I remember my parents talking about it as, you know, when they were kids. It's a game that has over the decades kind of for kids almost like a test of courage,
Starting point is 00:14:08 just a way to see how brave you can be in the dark and a thrilling like maybe potential brush with the paranormal at a time where, you know, as a kid you're willing to believe so much. But what happens when the lights go out and all you're left with is the candles flicker in your own reflection in the mirror. does that mean the ritual failed? Does that mean the ritual was real at all? We'll get into it. There stands and don't shake your head yet, Jesse. I pose questions only so that I can answer there.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah, no, dude, you're just asking questions. Right, I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking questions. Just asking questions. Yeah, yeah. So just imagine a scene out of every teenager's spooky sleep over a bathroom draped in shadows the only light coming from a quivering candle there stands or an intrepid or perhaps full
Starting point is 00:14:51 hearty child individual their heart racing with a mix of fear and excitement in front of them a mirror an ordinary object by day but now in its rituals embrace a portal to something unknown and possibly sinister. The rules of the game are simple and unnerving. Stand before the mirror, gaze into your own eyes, chant bloody Mary three times, or dare to go further and say it 13 and then 13. 13? Yeah, that's a new one as well.
Starting point is 00:15:18 That's a new one for me as well. The air then becomes thick with anticipation and with each repetition the atmosphere grows denser. The shadow seemed to creep closer and the familiar becomes unfamiliar and foreboding. As the final invocation of Bloody Mary slips from your lips into the darkness, a moment of eerie silence ensues. Will the spectral figure of a bloody woman appear in the mirror, her eyes hollow, her expression vengeful and we'll all be a moment of heart pounding suspense followed by a relieved nervous sigh and laughter but some spooky movie music onto that at the end
Starting point is 00:15:53 but spooky music spooky movies what kind of music would you suggest like me royalty free royalty free for one One that always plays on tiktok's like Everyone knows that one the one's like I don't know any from the mummy trying to get the mummy to get away from him He has got all the different leftlessness. What was that song?
Starting point is 00:16:26 There's a song that plays. Every time there's a spooky video on TikTok, it's like, No, no, yeah! You're in the... You're in the air, you don't know. You know, I'm telling you, every song, every time there's like a video of like, you're underwater,
Starting point is 00:16:41 and you know like a big face is gonna come get you. There's always the macros like. Yo, yo, yo. Why do you sound like the moth man like cruning at a nightclub? I'm just telling you I didn't make this up. Yo, yo, yo. I didn't make this up. It's what it is.
Starting point is 00:17:00 What is this? It's spooky. What the fuck is this? No, I'm telling you it's like just our Jesse ritual. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's like, say love beyond my man. I don't know what's happening anymore. The ritual chaos has succeeded. Jesse, you're gonna decide me some of those TikToks so I can know what's happening.
Starting point is 00:17:37 What's going to happen? You with Bloody Mary. What can we just do? Bloody Mary shows up. Is she supposed to kill you? Well, let's keep talking here. It goes more forward to that. We're gonna get to more detail.
Starting point is 00:17:47 I was so afraid that it was really gonna happen, but I don't know what she was gonna get. My understanding as a kid was that she would kill you if she saw you. Like, that's what I thought would happen to. Yeah, yeah, she murdered your ass. Yeah. So, why are we doing that then?
Starting point is 00:17:57 Why are we calling Bloody Mary to come kill us? It's spooky, dude. It's spooky, it's spooky, dude. Yeah, this fine tingling game often played by daring kids during sleepovers involved standing at a dimly lit bathroom doing that whole mirror thing and voking her name to practice the disboulterified and intrigue kids for generation, but where did this ritual originate? While the blame bloody Mary resonates with historical gravity most notably tethered to the legacy of Mary the first of England.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Mary's reign in the mid-16th century remains one of England's most tumultuous periods. Her ascension to the throne in 1553 was a reversal of the Protestant Reformation that had begun under her father Henry VIII and her half-brother or brother Edward VI. Mary, who was a devout Catholic, embarked on a zealous mission to return England to the Catholic faith. This religious crusade led to the Marian persecutions where hundreds of Protestants were burned at the stake for heresy. The brutality of these acts painted her five-year reign in strokes of blood earning her the post-umus title, Bloody Mary. So that's where in history the name first pops up and it's because of just her
Starting point is 00:19:01 horrendous actions for a short five-year reign. We don't know, but we don't know if that's supposedly the same bloody Mary or what. Right. So, you know, the connection between Queen Mary the first and this ghostly figure of the bloody Mary ritual is, as far as, you know, as far as everything I've been able to tell, tenuous at best. While the Queen's infamous history might align with the sinister overtones of the ritual, there's very little direct evidence linking her to the game as the origin point. The Bloody Mary of folklore is more likely a conflation of various historical and mythological
Starting point is 00:19:34 figures modeled by centuries of storytelling. You know, we talk about it as an example before, the game telephone. The longer something is told, the more it brings in other people's ideas, other people's thoughts, and this ritual was likely formed over the course of just long storytelling and not directly related to Bloody Mary herself. Yeah, before this Bloody Mary was a game in the vein hopes of seeing a Bloody Girl in the Mirror who will kill you, the origin of the ritual also intertwined with ancient divination practices. And various cultures, mirrors have long been considered mystical tools.
Starting point is 00:20:10 One such practice involved young women seeking to divine their future husband's faces in the mirror. Boys write this down. In case you want to find your future wife, I bet it'll work for you to this practice involved the young woman seeking to divine the future husband's face in the mirror In a time when life was lit by candlelight and shadow these rituals kind of took on a mystical air The young woman often on the eve of significant festivals like Halloween would walk backwards up a flight of stairs Holding a candle and a hand mirror in the pitch dark as she gazed in the mirror
Starting point is 00:20:44 She hoped to catch a glimpse of what her future husband's face would look like. And then that's how you know, that's how you know who you're going to marry. Absolutely flawless, so weird. Yeah, absolutely. But not all the visions that you could get during this divination practice were of matrimonial bliss. Sometimes you accidentally see your very loud neighbor who bothers you 15 years from now. That would be, uh, I think I take that over this because you could potentially instead of seeing your future suitors face, you might see a skull or the image of the grim reaper, Mo. Depeer. And if that happened, it was deemed an ominous sign. Such a vision for told that the woman might never marry, hinting at her untimely death.
Starting point is 00:21:27 And I love that back in this time. If you saw like, it was either, like, if you saw a skull, it's not because you're not, it's not because you're going to die soon. You're not going to marry and then you're not going to die soon. It means that you're not going to find the man you love, which is, you know, way more important. Or you might as well, but you might as well be dead. Might as well be dead.
Starting point is 00:21:46 If you're a woman who's 15 years old and 1887 and you're not married, what are you doing? Why are you wasting my time? What's the point? The darker aspect of the ritual hints at the human fascination with death and the unknown elements that would later crystallize in the bloody Mary game that we know today. I thought you were going to say in the television show Flash Forward on ABC. They're like, everybody saw three days into their future, but some people didn't see anything at all.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Were they dead? Watch, next episode. Yeah, the answer was yes. The answer was yes. They were spoilers. They showed it. They did halfway through. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:22:18 There's no finale. So, taking it from like the early 1900s and late 1800s, let's fast forward again to post World War II era Particularly Alex's favorite time the 1960s a period. Hey, I remember those great years. I was great years Remember that when I was a kid in the 1960s and that toy horse playing with us a wheel in a stick out front Yeah, I love playing the football game where you turn on the vibrating table and the little paper men float around that are attached to pennies. You really are from 1954.
Starting point is 00:22:50 If you were there, you remember shout outs to you. The other old souls. You were there. You remember. I'm an ex-file. I'm older as a civil war wife. Is that a spoiler? I'm not even gonna tell you.
Starting point is 00:23:05 That's like my least favorite episode of the episode. Okay, all right. All right, yeah. So, we're in 1960s. This is a period that's kind of marked by significant societal changes and a burgeoning interest in the paranormal and the unexplained. It's in this era that the Bloody Mary ritual,
Starting point is 00:23:19 as we know it, sort of began to take shape. The cultural upheavals of the 20th century fueled by the Cold War anxieties and the rise of horror in popular media, created a fertile ground for urban legends and folklore to kind of evolve. The ritual transformed from this, or rather, I wouldn't say it transformed,
Starting point is 00:23:35 but the ritual of this divination practice sort of branched off and started becoming something else, again, for daring kids and horror, a way to entertain themselves with their imagination. Like, kids got to be more independent at this point. And so they just started getting up to like, yeah, stupid kid bullshit that their parents probably wouldn't let them do it.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Yeah, every decade, especially in this point in time, the world modernized more and more. And there was more free time for kids to be kids and not just work in farms. Yeah, they're looking to fill their time with shit to do. In high school, I always used to think like how clever it was that like kids would like skip out of class during class like and rather than like roam the halls,
Starting point is 00:24:15 they would like meet up in the bathrooms. You know, like it's just, the little things that kids do to like feel independent. Think into the man. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Interesting. Yeah, no, it is. It's very interesting. And this ritual that this divination practice
Starting point is 00:24:30 sort of part of it kind of branched off became this bloody Mary thing. And the new version entailed chanting bloody Mary in front of the mirror, usually in a darkened room, waiting for this ghostly figure to appear. This figure now eventual spirit, by the time the game kind of evolved into this point, was often associated with themes of blood and horror. The game tapped into the collective consciousness of society kind of grappling with fear and uncertainty,
Starting point is 00:24:52 morphing into an urban legend that sort of encapsulated the thrill and terror of confronting the unknown. And if you're kind of wondering, well, why, why mirrors though, honestly, just look through history, look through culture. Mirers have been seen as portals, gateways to other realms. They're not just reflectors of our physical form, but are thought to hold mystical properties. The act of summoning Bloody Mary was maybe an act of daring to peer into the unknown or trying to gaze into a world that's beyond the mortal realm. And that's like a little t- little taster, you know, that's kind of what we're covering today.
Starting point is 00:25:23 So we've got four more of those. And Bloody Mary is the most, I think most well known one. I'm very curious if you'll have heard of, I feel satisfied. Yeah, that's satisfying, right? Yeah. So the next one I'm gonna, I wanna talk about, this one you may not know or you may have,
Starting point is 00:25:35 it's called the Midnight Man or the Midnight Game. The Midnight Game is like something. I don't know exactly what it is, but that's something. The Midnight Man, I like a great deal. You like him? It sounds like an episode of Always Sunny. The Midnight Man or the Midnight Game, this game cloaked in the mystery of supposed
Starting point is 00:25:56 ancient pagan rights, which were about ancient punishments and whispered about in a hush tones as the specter of a man scorned by the gods, summoned to hunt you is not for the faint of heart. That's kind of the core of the game. You summon this guy who's been scorned by the gods and he hunts you around your house
Starting point is 00:26:14 until a particular time or wherever you son of a summon him. It's a journey into darkness, a test of endurance against unforeseen forces, and a temperature check for your fears. I even if... I don't think I would do this because I don't need to... Like, it just sounds not fun to do. I'm scared of the dark enough as it is. This is like feeds on that.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Imagine if you will a game that begins at the stroke of midnight. A time when the world is asleep and supposedly the veil between here and the now and the there and then is at its thinnest. Is this concertingly thin? The midnight man. Reportedly at its... What is that line of dialogue you read that is a mate? What did you say?
Starting point is 00:26:54 The here and now and then the there and then? Yeah, a time and then. Is this for the midnight society? What are you doing? Man, actually. No, yeah, time when the world is asleep in the veil between the here and now and the then and there is at its thinnest.
Starting point is 00:27:09 I love that's a line of dialogue. I am gonna steal. Yeah, take it, take it. The midnight game purportedly has its roots, like I said, and an ancient pagan ritual once used as a punishment for those who de facto have to defy the gods. Today, it's played by Thrill Seekers
Starting point is 00:27:25 and the bravely curious drawn to the game's weird blend of history and horror. The rules of the game are very simple. Each step is fraught with an eerie tension. You can't fuck it up. First, you're going to write your name on a piece of paper, a sort of symbolic offering to the midnight man. Next, you prick your finger and add a drop of your own blood and place the paper in front of a wooden door. Light a candle, place it on the piece of paper, and knock on the door 22 times. The final knock must occur precisely as the clock chimes midnight.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Those are the rules. That initiates it. That's the ritual. Then, the real game begins. With the candle lit as your only protection, you must wander your darkened home evading the midnight man at all costs. Should your candle... Like a freaking scary game squad game.
Starting point is 00:28:24 I'm sure it is. Euro-jank horror. Should your candle like a freaking scary game squad game? I'm sure it is. Euro-jank horror. Should your candle go out? It's a sign that he is near, and you have mere seconds to relight it or surround yourself with a circle of salt for protection. The goal of the game is simply to survive until 3.33 a.m.iding any encounter with the spectral entity. This is literally five nights at first. And what do you win if you make it to 333 in the morning? Pay check. Nothing. You just get to survive. There's no win. It is no price. Your life is just no price. Isn't that deep? Yeah. You get to live the rest of your life.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Wow. Exciting. That's it. That's the game. He kills you if he catches you. So, you know, don't let him catch you. Can you hear you if you crouch? I think if you crouch around a corner out of line of sight, he can't. I think this will be operates by. The Midnight Man, as far as who this guy supposedly is, the Midnight Man was initially used as it,
Starting point is 00:29:19 supposedly as an executioner, to punish those who went against the gods of the religion in question. While this religion has not been practiced for years, again, ancient pagan religion, there's still a high risk of death or insanity to anyone who plays the midnight game. The problem is, as I was looking into this origins with its roots supposedly within ancient pagan practices, the roots of it are about as elusive as the frickin' shadows that this guy supposedly comes from.
Starting point is 00:29:47 The folklore suggests that it originated as some ancient ritual, possibly used for punishment, but the original form was said to be a test of endurance in a way to seek penance through a night of fear and uncertainty evading this malevolent entity. However, concrete, concrete evidence or historical documentation of these pagan rituals is super scarce, much like many rituals and traditions passed down through oral storytelling. The exact origins of the midnight game are super murky and this lack of clear origin only adds to the rituals kind of mystique, painting it as a timeless test of courage and nerve. I think it was when Hideo Kojima and Guillermo del Toro got together with Junji Eto to make
Starting point is 00:30:27 a demo unlike anything the world had ever seen. And still are seeing indie games modeled after it almost 10 years later. Scary games squad thanks you, Hideo Kojima. But the reality of the midnight game's popularity, it owes much of it to the rise of the internet, particularly in the early 21st century. It was on forums and early websites dedicated to the paranormal where the midnight game found life. These online communities began sharing detailed instructions
Starting point is 00:30:55 and had a play, transforming what might have been an obscure or forgotten ritual into a modern phenomenon. As with men, kind of like, let's play vibes, like where they'd like recount their little tale of the midnight game. Form forms that were just like, this is how I do it, this is what I did and it would just kind of change. And again, if any of these came from an original pagan practice, it's lost. We don't know. We have no fucking idea. It could, it's the internet. It sounds like some, you know, living room misted type. It really does. Right. Yeah. As with many internet legends, the midnightna game spread rapidly, fueled by a mix of
Starting point is 00:31:28 curiosity, skepticism, and of course the thrill of engaging with the super natural. Humans love to be scared. It was fucking horror movies, horror video games. We do it. It's fun. It gets that shot of adrenaline. It became a staple of internet folklore pretty quickly. A game whispered about in in forums and chat rooms and brought life to youth sleepovers and Halloween parties.
Starting point is 00:31:49 In my own research, the farthest I could trace it back to was from what is believed to be a creepy pasta as no evidence of the tapes that the creepy pasta references could be found. It's basically simple as in 2013, two teenage girls named Maddie and Tori, along with their boyfriend's Quentin and Chase, film themselves playing the Midnight Man Challenge, on 15 different AVI files. During tape 6, Maddie supposedly says that they have felt the occasional drop in temperature but have not encountered the midnight man.
Starting point is 00:32:26 In tape seven, Mattie talks about Chase's candle going out, assigned that the midnight man is near, or seem to create a circle of salt on the floor to sit in, as the midnight man cannot enter a circle of salt and Tori sat with him quitting the game. Unfortunately, they brought sugar. the midnight man loves sugar. All of them are killed. He is so into that shit, especially the powdered stuff, the good stuff as he calls it. He loves slurping it up. He loves a Benye, he loves Chikari coffee. He's actually quite a cozy individual, the midnight man. In tape eight, Maddie says that Quentin's candle went out and proceeds to mock these three dipshits
Starting point is 00:33:00 who couldn't light a candle before realizing that this may provoke the midnight man. Tape 10 begins with Maddie going into a bedroom and commenting on how cold it's become. Her candle then goes out, causing her to panic. Luckily for her, she's able to relight her candle and continue with the game. In tape 11, Maddie talks about how she saw a figure in the kitchen, but it disappeared when she turned around. Maddie's candle then goes out because the Midnight Man is near,
Starting point is 00:33:25 prompting her to run to where her friends are and make a circle of the salt around herself. Tape 12 appears to be simply the friends telling funny stories. However, at the end of the clip, a plate breaks in the kitchen, presumably caused by the Midnight Man. Can't you just picture this
Starting point is 00:33:39 as the movie paranormal activity kind of style? I don't know what you're saying, but you're literally describing like a short, like shot by shot storyboards of like a cinematically told scary story at this point. Yeah, very much so. This is not how this would go down. No. We got tape 14, begin with Maddie saying that Tori left the circle into the camera.
Starting point is 00:33:59 She then hears footsteps followed by Tori screaming in fear. This prompts Chase and Quentin to jump up and leave the circle to find her. And then tape 15 is the final tape and is a scribe of the narrator as the most disturbing thing he's ever seen. The narrator? Yeah, again, this is, it's a narrator talking about the tapes and it's like, I can't find it. Like it's nonsense.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Oh, no go. After reaching 333 AM, when the midnight man is supposed to leave, Maddie jumps up, turns on the lights, revealing the bodies of her friends. She screams and runs out of the house, making it onto the streets before tripping. She drops the camera and the narrator sees the midnight man walking towards her on the tape. And then the smash cut to credits. Yeah, and that's where the tape comes from.
Starting point is 00:34:42 And that is as far back as I could find the origins of like the first mention of the Midnight Man. This is this first thing. So I think I am likely, I likely think this is a complete internet creation. Obviously, I don't even think as any pagan ties at all. I think Midnight Man is an entirely early internet creation. The vibe of it is so creepypasta-y, like just the name and everything. Yeah. Calling him like, the goodbye man. The bye bye. The bye bye, Mr. Bye bye. There is, I think a movie called The Midnight Man, actually.
Starting point is 00:35:11 The Midnight. Mr. Bye bye. Man, I think I remember coming across it when I was researching. The bye bye, bean boy, baby. Yeah, 2016, two and a half stars. The Midnight Man, it was cinemas, Robert England, Gabriel Howe, and Lin Shea. That was the movie. Director Travis Zerrourni. Zerrourni. Zerrourni. Zerrourni.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Zerrour, the Pokemon. Yes, yes, correct. Zerrour. The legendary is written by Rob Kennedy. The hero has separate different different midnight man in 2013. Are you sure it wasn't that original story you're telling us? Well, there's, I mean, I'm, I hope. That would be wild. No, it's not. Now, this is not.
Starting point is 00:35:56 That's like so funny, like how the internet has like its own style of like horror language like that. It's called midnight man, and there's a character called Bloody Mary. Maybe it's like a monster's ink kind of situation. It's exactly what he created in his own cinematic universe of ritual horror. The whole universe.
Starting point is 00:36:17 Oh, shit. Yeah. We could do something like that. We could definitely do something with that. Like the Boston Bake Bean Boy just sounds fun, right? But if you add internet horror and you call it like the 1989 Boston Bake Bean Boy incident, then like all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:36:31 there's like a creepy pasta, there's footage now. This can be like a two part comic we could write. I mean great. The Boston Bake Bean Boy incident, it's gotta be like all lower case, it has to have like bad. Like a high-prader, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:45 What is the incident and said drama? There's that is one of the big questions. That's one of the big unsolved mysteries of the 1989 Boston Bake Binkway incident is exactly what happened. The only thing we know for sure is that any weed smoked was 100% legal. Maybe it was during, uh, man, not in 1989 though. So everything else is just pure speculation at this point. I don't even have to more creative.
Starting point is 00:37:11 But at the point, so do people die? What happened? It's not, no one's sharing exactly what I've got to forgot. It took place online of newspaper articles having just kind of woke up the next day, like, what happened? I think it did my wrong and remember it took place at like the the bean canning factory. Yeah, I know you're 100% right there's there's no the thing is there's no record of a bean factory in that time. I know that's why in all of Boston.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Yeah, so unfortunately like it's hard to put like exact details went and you know, right. Yeah, all we know is that he's out there. I think there are rumors he came over. He might have even come over from England. He didn't even originate in Boston. We don't know. There have been some have said that there were carvings on the Ronoque post of a little bean boy.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. I think I remember Jesse telling us about that in the episode about Rono the carving had residual, you know fragments in it of stone not found in North America. That's right. That's right. He could be he could be a sub like a like a like a like a like a trans Atlantic, yeah, yeah, they say They say that transatlantic on the caves of the original missing links
Starting point is 00:38:32 from four million years ago. Yeah, small little bean figures are on those walls. I'm just saying. You think the Peruvian mummies are related to the Boston big bean boy? The Peruvian mummies. The thing that was crazy about the Proveying mummies is when they opened the little coffins, there was a little recreational weed card in there.
Starting point is 00:38:50 So no matter what, you know for sure that whatever they were smoking, they were like, A-O-K, you know what I mean? And it was legal, I think. Yeah, that's the main thing. Well, maybe next time we'll put the Boston baked bean boys summoning ritual, but the next one we're going to talk about is actually not. It's easy. The summoning ritual for the Boston Bake Bean Boy Summary ritual. But the next one we're going to talk about is actually not. It's easy. The Summary ritual for the Boston Bake Bean Boy is easy. It's you go in the in at 12 o'clock PM in the middle of the day, you go with wide eyes as big as possible.
Starting point is 00:39:14 And you put as many Boston Bake Bean candies in your mouth as you can and you stare at yourself in the mirror. And without regard for what's in your mouth, you scream Boston Bake Bean Boy at the top of your lungs Three times as loud as you can you'll know you succeed when the beans spread out of your mouth and their weed nugs and no longer Boston big Yeah, it's like a water and to wine kind of thing. Yeah, it's pretty crazy Yeah, so when you get a sink full of nugs good luck. I hope you get some good stuff. I hope he leaves you some great babe I can't wait to see the tic-tucks The next ritual we're talking about isn't the Boston McBean boy boys? It's Blue Baby, Blue Baby.
Starting point is 00:39:47 Boston McBean boy boys is what you said to me just now. Yeah, it is. I just came, I'm not telling you. That's just what nature said I needed to say and I don't, or I don't fight nature. No, the ritual is called the Blue Baby, Blue Baby. That's more ridiculous than Boston McBean boy boy. I'm sorry, are you gonna laugh at the blue baby, blue baby, ritual? I am very much laughing at blue baby, blue baby.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Because that's so... Blue baby, baby. Make Jesse go crazy. No, this is a realm where childhood games intertwine with the whispers of the supernatural. Now we're gonna unravel a tale of blue baby, blue baby, a haunting game that is echoed through, well, I wouldn't say the corridors of time
Starting point is 00:40:29 as much as the corridors of like the past two decades, leaving behind a trail of shivers. The corridors of Mathis' bedroom. Pretty much. I came up with this game actually, and it's not what you think it's gonna be. It's about a dead baby that's blue. Is that what you're about to tell us?
Starting point is 00:40:43 Honestly, you're not far off. Kinda. It's like red rover except instead of living people running across, you just send dead babies across. That's a just hot dead baby than each other. Yeah. So cool. Imagine, no, no, I'm gonna set the scene again.
Starting point is 00:41:00 You're in a bathroom with flickering lights where the reflection in the mirror seems to hold secrets of its very own. And here, as a participant in this haunting ritual, aren't with nothing but your courage and a chant and bark on a chilling adventure. The words, blue baby, blue baby, break the silence, each repetition inviting the unknown into your world. As the ritual unfolds and the air thickens, a sense of heaviness in a literal sense begins to fill the room. The mirror becomes a gateway to a ghostly dimension, and in this game's
Starting point is 00:41:32 heart lies in its ability to conjure an unseen presence, an invisible weight growing in the arms of those brave enough to summon it. But the terror doesn't end there. The climax of the central and don't end it. Oh, oh, oh, something is my hands. You are the, and you can't see it, chat, a chat, Jesus Christ. You can't see it, listen. I'm holding a baby. You are dead on, that is correct. But here's the thing, why do I have, why can't I just be like, no, I'm good.
Starting point is 00:42:01 My question. Hang on, hold on to that thought, Jesse. All right. Hang on to that very thought. Go to Alex. What do you gonna say your question? I was gonna say if the baby is invisible How do they know that it's blue? I'm just gonna keep going. How do they know what's a baby and not a small dog? Yeah or cat Chilla watch you watch you. Chilla
Starting point is 00:42:21 Chinchilla, chinchilla. What are they named it blue baby and it was a chinchilla. Chinchilla, chinchilla. What do they named it? Blue Baby and it was a chinchilla. Because it's got a blueish fur. It's got any blue baby. Blue Chinchilla, blue Chinchilla. Yeah, you could have like a crazy blue. You can't see it. How do you know a chinchilla could, like you know, Batman's called blue.
Starting point is 00:42:35 It's just a sound is good. Anything can be blue if it's invisible. Yeah, I guess. Sure. Why is it called a visible baby? By definition, it's not blue. It's not blue baby And this is baby. Come on over.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Did you think I was gonna ask about the blue baby? I don't know what you were gonna ask. Well, my thought process ain't there anymore. So what happened? So the blue baby. Okay, I was gonna say you're gonna ask. Okay, holding that stuff. I did.
Starting point is 00:42:56 This is how you do it. The rules are simple. You're instructed to enter a bathroom, turn off the lights, and stand before a mirror. You then bring your arms up and cradle them as if you're holding a baby and begin to chant blue baby blue baby repeated blue baby blue baby blue baby blue baby The legend asserts that have done correctly the participants will begin to feel the weight of an invisible baby in their arms. The game though takes a terrifying turn as the baby
Starting point is 00:43:21 supposedly becomes heavier and the mirror is said to reveal a horrifying image of its ghostly mother coming to claim her child back. However, unlike, say, the midnight game, where the whispers of its origins are set squarely in the lap of ancient times, Blue Baby Blue Baby is devoid of that. The true origin of the Blue Baby Blue Baby ritual is as elusive as a spectral infant in congers. The game, much like many urban legends, seems to have materialized from the collective fears and imaginations of society rather than a singular historical event or tradition. The earliest I could find on this bizarrely morbid game was a supposed urban legend. Now
Starting point is 00:44:01 I'm going to read through the urban legend and you'll have hopefully all your questions answered about this ritual. According to the urban legend, a I'm going to read through the urban legend and you'll have hopefully all your questions answered about this ritual. According to the urban legend, a group of girls found out about the Blue Baby story and decided to try it out. They didn't believe it would work so they sent their friend Laura into the bathroom on her own to do it by herself. You know, the thing you would send your friend to go do by yourself. Turned out, it worked. So Laura turned off the lights, closed the door behind her, and put out her arms and started cradling an invisible baby while chanting the phrase, blue baby, blue baby, blue baby,
Starting point is 00:44:32 blue baby, blue baby, blue baby, blue baby. All of a sudden, an invisible baby feels as though it appeared in her arms and began to grow heavier. Then it began scratching at her arms. Laura was scared out of her wits and had no idea what to do. Now, what you're supposed to do in the game is exactly what Jesse said, except instead of drop the baby on the ground, you're supposed to quickly put it in the toilet and flush it. What? If you don't, the mom will kill you through the the mirror if I was the mom and I watched this motherfucker
Starting point is 00:45:07 Take my baby and flush it down the toilet. That's when I would kill you Well, no, we flush it on the toilet you sever the connection ritual done mom and can't get you But what about low flow toilets though? Well, don't I then just thought I would recommend not doing the ritual Like if you have a low flow of toilet That's gonna be like eight or nine flushes. It's gonna get down. That's what you don't wait until the baby's super heavy because once it gets super heavy, it'll just fall right through those pipes.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Yeah, then the mom's, we're trying to get in the toilet, trying to grab that kid, and you're gonna be sitting there flushin' on the mom now, and the mom's gonna get more mad at you. It's gonna be tough to see too. Baby's totally invisible. Nobody knows where he is.
Starting point is 00:45:43 He's just floating around in there. Well, Laura didn't have a calm mind like you guys did and instead she started panicking and wanted to drop in and run But thought that might be the the wrong thing to do So she just held onto it and she just stood there holding the invisible baby as a gruevier and heavier and suddenly She caught the sight of something horrible in the bathroom mirror and screamed in terror. How terrible are we talking like? It's the mom. It's ghastly ghoul. It's ghost mom. Angry ghost mom.
Starting point is 00:46:08 When Laura's friends heard her screaming, they tried to open the bathroom door only to find that it was locked. Finally, instead of you know, busting the door open or calling the police, they ran to a friend's house for help. When they finally got their friend, they returned and broke the door open,
Starting point is 00:46:23 and they found Laura lying dead on the bathroom floor. Her eyes had been scratched out and they couldn't move her body because it felt as though something large but invisible was pinning her to the ground. So did a big did the baby like become like a big huge baby like did he become like the overwhelming large. Yeah, like what a big babies, you know what I mean? Like baby Huey, like baby Huey. Baby Huey, what's that for him? I think, right? It might think of the wrong baby.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Hold on. No, you're thinking of the right baby. What baby? The big duck, right? Yeah. I don't know. What's this a reference to? It's a big duck called baby Huey.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Yeah, don't worry about it. Baby Huey. It's a duck. It's a big duck. Is it a movie, a TV show? Like I think it's a cartoon. He's got like a baby bonnet it. It's the duck, it's a big duck. Is it a movie, a TV show? Like, I think it's a cartoon. He's got like a baby bonnet on. It's a pretty unruly, unruly, short time.
Starting point is 00:47:10 I feel like I'm, I don't know. I don't know this thing. You don't need to know about baby. You never need to know about baby, you will. Except for this one moment. You're never gonna, it's never gonna make or break you.
Starting point is 00:47:19 So boys, that's, that's blue baby, blue baby. Would you drop the baby? The baby. Would I drop the baby? I mean, it's like, she's gonna rip your eyes out if you don't flush the baby. Well, the baby's gonna claw your eyes out and the ghost mom is gonna kill you.
Starting point is 00:47:31 Okay, but here's the question. How do you, are you purposefully like Blue Baby? Or can I just stand there and be like, yo, Blue Baby. Now you have to purposefully cradle it. I have to cradle it. Yes, you have to cradle it. And then I feel, why?
Starting point is 00:47:44 If I felt like even the slightest bit of weight I would be like, um, hell no. That'd to cradle it. Yes, you got to cradle it. And then we feel why if I felt even the slightest bit of weight, I would be like, um, hell no, that'd be what it dropped immediately. What? Why are we putting ourselves in this situation the first place? I'm not calling the lady to come kill me. I don't want to touch the baby.
Starting point is 00:47:56 I kind of feel bad for the ghost mom. Well, because you're trying to impress Stephanie. Stephanie invited you to the party. It's her party. It's a sleepover. And there are girls and you're at the party And she's like, you want to get a kiss tonight, Alexander Spend the bottle only happens after the blue baby blue baby camp. Yeah, someone's gonna step up
Starting point is 00:48:17 It's gonna be you Alexander and then she like gives you like a look, you know like I want you to step up, right? Just so you know I've been crushed on Stephanie since 30 grade grade I can't I can't risk it for a blue baby. Stop the baby dude just gotta drop it. Yeah she's like I thought you were I thought you were a little more dangerous than that Alexander. I thought you were I thought you loved holding babies. I thought you were into I think you want to start a family. I always thought you'd be a good parent by Claire and not. I can't believe that you weren't able to summon the spectral infant. Let's watch more scary TikToks. Oh yeah!
Starting point is 00:48:53 Oh yeah! Oh yeah! Jesse, would you do it for a girl? Would you go do blue baby blue baby for a girl? I do. I do any of this for anyone. I'll do anything. On a day or I really can. I do absolutely any. for anyone. I'll do anything. I'll do anything. I'll do anything. I'll do anything. I'll do anything. Are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:49:07 I feel bad for the ghost mom. Just I can imagine getting yanked from house to house all the time. People just stealing her baby, just to flush the baby is fucking annoying. If anything, I would try to find a maid to make it worse. Yeah, apparently.
Starting point is 00:49:20 I would see if there's a window to throw the baby out. If it's like a first floor and there's a window in there I'm gonna close the door. I'm gonna lock it. I'm gonna secretly open the window. I'm gonna do the whole like Blue baby, blue baby, and I'm gonna like Start shaking stuff. They're all sorts of crazy shit and I'm out the window Close it up and then when they're trying to get in I around the back I'm just like wrapping on the glass. Gotcha. I'm doing, oh yeah, I know crazy stuff. I'm flickering, I'll cut the circuit breakers, the entire house.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Oh yeah, I'm scared and I'll scare those kids. No, lightly, I'm gonna lightly place that baby down on the sink. I'm gonna just lightly place him there and then I'm just gonna start swing arms around like I'm in the mosh pit. Also, real talk. Let's steal this mom. Like, what if I was like, hey girl, you try to swoop on the the ghost mom what up? Hey you ghost. Hey, no, that's my territory I am a guy have all claimed paranormal and alien-esque. I think I'd be a good ghost father. I think I could do it
Starting point is 00:50:15 I mean it's hard to be a disappointing one they live forever So I'm saying and I'd be like hey ghost baby. You want to go scare some kids the baby like And I'd be like hey ghost baby you want to go scare some kids the baby like This is my baby talks and then I'd be like okay, and then we show up at we show up at kids house and then yeah I'd be holding we be holding down their arms freaking them out and I'd be like all right Mrs. Grabber and then they grab her and then I'd be in the back room like That's how we do it even though the ape was both imaginary and invisible, the two men would argue, who would one of them would bed the ghost mom for five full minutes?
Starting point is 00:50:56 I don't know, dude. I don't want to be like permagostad. The baby's never going to not be a baby. That's true. It's going to be a baby for eternity. And it's also a ghost, isn't it? I'll be the mom's listen. I'll be the mom's listen. I'll be the mom's little side thing.
Starting point is 00:51:06 You won't even know I'm there. Don't worry about it. Mom's little side thing. I think I just gotta talk to that. You're gonna be the baby's ghost dad. She's busy. Are you negotiating yourself into like a thruple with Jessie and ghost?
Starting point is 00:51:17 And I don't want that. I don't want that for me. Doesn't matter. She doesn't. It's a ghost. She can keep secrets. It's fine. No, I'm all right. All right, we got two more rituals to get through gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:51:28 These, this next one I think you might know, this is called the elevator game. Do you know where have you heard of the elevator? Yes, do you jump in the elevator? No, that's a scary game, and I hate when people do that. This is the one that's like, people thought that what's your name was doing it. I, well, yes, we'll get to that. Whoa it. Yes, we'll get, we'll get to that.
Starting point is 00:51:45 What do you mean? We'll get to that. Okay. So this is a much more modern urban legend, a seemingly innocuous journey through the floors of a public building, which holds it within its framework, a labyrinth of other worldly possibilities. The elevator game, born from the depths of the internet, invites the daring to embark on a surreal journey, one that promises to take you far beyond the steel doors of an elevator and into potentially
Starting point is 00:52:10 another dimension. Literally the twilight zone ride at Disney World. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. The rules of the game are deceptively simple, yet each decision, each button pressed carries the rate, the weight of a ritual. Participants are instructed to enter an elevator alone and visit floors in a specific, ritualistic sequence. But this is no ordinary ride.
Starting point is 00:52:36 With each stop, everything gets a little bit weirder, reality seems to warp, and a sense of isolation from the world you know, deepens. This ritual also kind of reminds me of the back rooms. And I wouldn't be surprised if like some back rooms might have been pulled from this kind of thing. It's very much cut from the same cloth like in terms of like the flavor of this shit on the internet when I read about it.
Starting point is 00:52:56 I'm also in faith three. You had to do an elevator game. Yes, exactly. So at the heart of the elevator game lies the rumored 10th floor, a place out of sync with our reality where the familiar becomes distorted, and it's said that if you reach this floor, you stepped into another dimension, a world tinged with the surreal and the uncanny. But be warned, returning to our world is not always super
Starting point is 00:53:20 straightforward as pressing a button. Now, unlike previous games, the rules are seemingly simple at first, but for this one, quickly spiral into a web of weirdness and necessary safety precautions, if you were to believe it's gonna take you to another world. So let me go, let's go through it. It's fascinating. So first, to start the game, you have to be in a public building with an elevator that can reach the 10th floor.
Starting point is 00:53:43 That's important. Okay, the stay on main in downtown Los Angeles. You go for it. Perfect. First, you go to the 4th floor. Do not proceed if someone enters the elevator or one of the players leave the elevator. If someone does that, you have to start over. Press the 2nd floor, then the 6th floor, back down to the 2nd floor, and then the 10th floor, and then the tenth floor, and then the fifth floor.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Now, after you've done all of that, Jesse, you got a question, you look at about to ask something, you're good? No, I'm trying to visually, and I'm bad at this, visually remember the puzzle from faith. It's almost exactly this. It's 4262105. It's very similar. Yeah. After you press that, if a woman enters the elevator at the fifth floor, do not look at her. Do not speak and do not talk to her. That woman is not a human being. If you do, she will decide to keep you for herself, and you'll never be returned from there. If you get to the fifth floor and you're all clear on there, you then go to the first floor.
Starting point is 00:54:51 What does that hold on? What does that mean? She'll keep you for herself. Good question. You'll be stuck in another dimension. Maybe her... It sounds scary. Well, I have to pay bills.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Well, maybe with your soul. Right, but like, I've always wanted to be a kept man and I just feel like the opportunity. I've always wanted to be a kept man. Is that what you say? Honestly, yeah. You know what? This might be it because who knows that this old woman might just be lonely. She could have been trapped here as well.
Starting point is 00:55:21 If I disappear, I want everyone to know this is exactly what happened to me. Right. No need to go look. No need to contact the police. I'm gone for a reason. So if the woman enters, don't talk to her whatever. If nobody enters, even better, either way, now down to the first floor again. Now, once you get here, do not proceed. Once again, if someone enters the elevator or one of the other people who are with you leave, if someone does that, you once again have to start back from the beginning. Now, the elevator will either ascend or descend. If the elevator reaches the first floor, leave and do not look back, you're done, you won.
Starting point is 00:55:55 But if instead the elevator goes up and reaches the tenth floor, leave and do not respond to the woman if she asks you, where are you going? What's wrong? Her voice will be high like a high pitched tone when she asks that When you're but regardless when you step out of the elevator Congratulations, you're now in another world. You're no longer in our reality. You're in a parallel one If you're alone, you are in another world You're in a parallel one. If you're alone, you are in another world.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Electronics will not work in this other world. This other world is identical to ours But the two differences you'll see are all the lights will be off and the only thing you'll be able to see from the windows is a red cross Far in the distance So that's where the back rooms part for me kind of comes in like that familiar back rooms feeling a place that's like it's like our world but empty the lights are out and you just see a red cross out the window way out into the distance. But you can come back to our world you're not trapped there forever you kind of go to visit check it out now you're there. To come back to your real world you must go to the same elevator and press the same buttons, but only if you're leaving the 10th floor. If you're on the first floor, you're good.
Starting point is 00:57:09 The order is again, 426-105, and when you reach the 5th floor, press the button for the first floor. The elevator will either again begin to ascend to the 10th floor, press, the elevator will again begin to ascend to the 10th floor, press, the elevator will again begin to ascend to the 10th floor. Oh, specific. Like exactly. And as it's ascending, press any other floor's button to cancel the ascension. You must press the button you can, you use to cancel the ascension
Starting point is 00:57:35 before you reach the 10th floor. So you're just, don't reach the 10th floor a second time. As you reach the first floor, check your surroundings carefully. If anything seems off, even the smallest detail, do not exit the elevator. If you detect something, what does that mean? You get it. It means you're not in your world.
Starting point is 00:57:53 You're not where you're supposed to be. It's trick. Something's wrong. Okay. Don't exit, bro. If you detect something, like I said, so if you detect something's wrong, repeat step two until your surroundings look as they should, which is hitting the elevators in sequence.
Starting point is 00:58:08 Once you're confident you've returned to your own world, you may safely exit the elevator. Then there's a bunch of other tips for what happens if you reach the fifth floor in the woman enters the elevator. Like I said, you don't look at her, you do not speak to her. She is not a woman. If you do, she may decide to keep you there. Other tips, if someone enters someone leaves, begin at the fourth floor, if someone enters the elevator or someone leaves the elevator. Only people that leave at the tenth floor will
Starting point is 00:58:34 go to the other world. Getting back to your own world may be more difficult than it seems. You may become disoriented and forget which elevator in which you arrived. The elevator may seem to get further and further away from you as you walk towards it and so on. Be vigilant and keep your wits about you. Do not give up. If at any point during the ritual you faint, pass out or otherwise lose consciousness, you will likely wake up in your own house.
Starting point is 00:58:57 However, whatever, be sure to carefully examine your surroundings upon waking. The home to which you have been returned may not be the one you left when you first set out to attempt this ritual. You must not, in any case, attempt this too many times. This makes you susceptible to accidental slipping through the worlds. If you do not get out of the elevator on the 10th floor, or if the woman does not get in,
Starting point is 00:59:20 you should head straight back down to the first floor. Sometimes when you're coming back, the elevator goes back up instead of down, you have to cancel the ascension by pressing any button between your current floor and tent to get off. The other world is trying to pull you in. And if you faint in the other world and find yourself back in your world, be careful. You can be pulled back there at any given moment. This also happens to people who have susceptible souls. I don't know what that means. So that is like the grand structure of this fucking ritual. It is incredibly detailed.
Starting point is 00:59:54 And a lot of the details are vague enough that I can seek like kids' teens having, like doing this and having fun because a lot of the steps are things that are possible that like a woman entering open to Interpretation like going to the fifth floor and having a woman walk on with you on the fifth floor Like that's not probably and like uncommon to have happen especially if you're in a public soul It's also kind of fun because it's kind of like Just specific enough that you can always kind of assume that you're fucking up
Starting point is 01:00:22 Yeah, or whatever, you know, like, you can be at home and you might see something like, wait, that might not be what it is, maybe. Yeah, you can have fun with it. You can lark with it. It's a lot of fun. It seems very SCP like instruction wise, like SCP 214, then this is what it would, the instructions
Starting point is 01:00:37 for using this elevator, like that kind of thing. Yes, there's also something to the like aesthetic of something very complicated like right? I don't know like something about complex instructions makes it seem real. Yeah, the the notion of it being so Particular means oh somebody probably thought about this or this must be something Based in reality, right? I like this one. This one's cool. Yeah, you have to use that logic even today with alien stuff Right whenever we read it post and there's something that seems very detailed and very well researched.
Starting point is 01:01:07 It just means somebody just could have just went out and did a bunch of reading before they posted it. It's very possible. But your brain wants to be like, oh yeah, there's a lot of work here. Maybe it is real. But I like the effort. The effort put into it, I enjoy.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Much like the Blue Baby, Blue Baby, this can link pretty, it's origin pretty much online, strictly online rather. Likely sometime in the early 2000s, internet, when stories creepypastas were kind of growing in popularity, changing and evolving. We do know it became more mainstream when media events that had eerie details could be linked online by assuming teenagers to the elevator game. And the one Alex was talking about is the one I wrote down for an example, because the
Starting point is 01:01:46 one that came to my mind as well is specifically the connection between the elevator game and the specific area of ends in the media with Alisa or Liza Lam in 2013. It's one of the most notable and frequently cited cases in this tragic and mysterious death. She was a student, Canadian student who was found deceased in a water tank atop the Cecil hotel in LA Right a hotel with a history of criminal like so that's like a flick's documentary about it Yeah, we have we have actual like security cam footage of her and like what she was doing and like it's very weird and Confusing and none of it makes sense and obviously the internet with such a vague kind of open-ended crime that happened or tragedy
Starting point is 01:02:27 linked it to the elevator game because she used an elevator and got confused and disoriented because she didn't know if she was in our world or hers, you know that kind of thing so Yeah, that's when it kind of I think the elevator game spurred popularity around that time. All right The very last ritual we're gonna talk about is one I had never heard of, but it's another kind of modern-esque ritual, the three kings ritual. Never heard of it. Yeah, I figured none of you heard of that either.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Yeah, no. What the fuck is Charlie Charlie? Charlie Charlie is a game where you ask yes or no questions to a demon essentially, and you basically put a piece of paper down and you have a pencil balanced precariously on something, and you have to spin it, and it kind of goes to yes or no, and it'll say whatever your answer is, whatever, and if you fuck it up, the demon can haunt you, I think, is like the rules.
Starting point is 01:03:16 It's not one that we can cover it in another one. It was just an example I wanted to use. I thought people would know, but maybe I'm... Throw it out, and I just, it sounded so made up, that's all. Yeah, I fully believe it's real. Yeah, I just was so, I thought you were gonna get it. I think that's like around the time like the Zaza or Zuzu demon like stuff
Starting point is 01:03:31 around that same ritual. Pazuzu? I know that. Not Pazuzu, but Zuzu Zaza or whatever, yeah. I remember that. Okay, so the three Kings ritual is another one that was kind of conceived in the digital era. This ritual catapulted to notoriety on internet forums,
Starting point is 01:03:46 capturing the imagination of those drawn to the paranormal and the psychologically profound. The ritual's premise is as simple as it is kind of spooking on nerving. As the witching hour approaches for everybody to doesn't know, that's 3am or 3.33, depending on who you talk to. The participant sets the stage in a room of choice. A throne flanked
Starting point is 01:04:05 by mirrors dimly lit by a single candle with darkness enveloping the edges of perception. As the clock strikes 333 AM, the ritual commences. The seeker seated on the central chair known as a throne becomes the quote-unquote king. With the mirrors on either side serving as silent queens, these reflective gateways are said to reveal glimpses of other dimensions, entities, or deeper parts of one psyche. The candle, a solitary beam of light, is not just a source of illumination, but a fragile barrier between the king and the unknown. The game is played on the precipice of the mind's shadowy kind of frontiers, where the lines
Starting point is 01:04:44 between the consciousness and subconscious blur. Have you guys ever put yourself in a room with like just two mirrors flanking you, especially if it's dimly lit? Yes. And shit can just strip you out, even if you're not high on anything, that's it. Even if you're in a restaurant
Starting point is 01:04:57 where one wall is a mirror, it's fucking weird. It can just make it place tricks on your minds. Participants that did this report experiences ranging from profound revelations to unsettling encounters as if the mirrors reflect not just images but thoughts, fears, and desires. And unlike every other ritual we've covered on this episode, this one has what I would consider the clearest origin. The ritual first appeared on the subreddit dedicated to paranormal and supernaturally
Starting point is 01:05:23 a supernatural experiences known as no sleep. Now for those who don't know the subreddit no sleep, it's one rule is, you just don't ask if the story is real or not. You just assume what the people are posting is honest or true. The three, which obviously makes it fun, spooky, for people to read it. The Three Kings ritual was initially posted by a user named Fable Forge on July 12th in a thread titled Please don't actually try this and this is that very post Hey, our no sleep long time no sleep. I'm not no sleep. No long time no see long time no That's my own freaking Freudian slip killer Joe
Starting point is 01:05:58 I've been posting bits and pieces of my life here But I find them a little boring and self-serving the The last one about the Juvee Incidence was already like 70% made up to my shame. So today, I'll post a recipe instead. This is not creeped-possed, at least not yet, and I'm writing it from a train in the New York City area. What I'm about to share with you today is one of the many relatively safe ways in which you can access, but not quite enter, a place that I call the shadow side. And its effectiveness depends on how seriously you take me, so your mileage may vary, just
Starting point is 01:06:29 refer to title. I won't tell you that you shouldn't be afraid of the shadow side. Chances are you've already seen it after all, and merely think it was just a reoccurring dream. I will tell you there is no need to be ignorantly afraid of it though. There is a difference. Ignorance fuels fear and fear can give that place a lot of juice to run on. You have to be big on preparation if you want to try this.
Starting point is 01:06:50 It's like skydiving. If getting it right on your first try is not something you're good at, then this is not for you. If you do drugs or alcohol the night of the event, you're going to have a bad time. If you're going through some serious issues in your life, you're not feeling mentally or spiritually stable. Or if you're doing this just to escape, you're gonna have a bad time. And if you don't follow my instructions, particularly the multiple backups I'll give you, which trust me are there for a reason, you're gonna have a really bad time. The name of this game is the Three Kings. The The Ingredients are simple. A very large empty and quiet room, preferably without windows. If windows exist,
Starting point is 01:07:24 you need to be able to cover them and ensure total darkness. Facements usually work well if they're roomy enough. A pack of candles. You'll only use one if all goes well. And a lighter and a coat of rounds of mushroom chocolate. That's where I would be going. A bucket of water and a mug and a fan. Two large mirrors, like the one on your dresser, don't worry.
Starting point is 01:07:43 They won't be harmed or if they are, it'd be the least of your concerns. The read chairs, an alarm clock, an active cell phone, don't forget to charge the goddamn battery. A loved one willing to follow rules and go along with all the madness, a small toy or deer object from your childhood. So that's what you need to start. That's your list of ingredients.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Okay. I'll get this up on the show notes for people. The setup is simple. You start set up it around 11 p.m. Place one chair in the center of the room facing north. This is important. Place the other two chairs exactly to the left and right facing your throne. The distance between your throne and that of your queen and fool should be about the length of your arm to each side more or less. So you can have a queen on one side and the other chair is supposedly for your fool. Place the two large mirrors on the queen and fool chairs left and right of you facing you and each other. Try your best.
Starting point is 01:08:33 Question time out, time out, time out, time out, time out. For clarity sake, the throne is separate from the chair facing north or the same thing. The throne is the chair facing north. The two chairs on your left and right within arms reach, queen, fool, mirror on each chair that are facing you. This is meticulous, but I'm on board. Yep. Try your best to have them stand at 90 degree angle, or else you may or get more or less
Starting point is 01:08:54 than three kings. If you sit on your throne facing straight ahead north, you should be able to perceive your own reflection each of the two mirrors without actually having to turn your head, nor your eyes to do so. What do you mean more than three kings? We'll get to it. Let him cook. Let him cook.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Man, let him cook. That's what you know, he's working on it. If you see your own reflection in the corner of your eye, just barely there, then you've done it right. Place the bucket of water in the mug in front of you just barely out of reach. Place the fan behind you. Turn it on. Don't set it to maximum powder. Up on. Don't set it to maximum powder, a
Starting point is 01:09:25 powder. Don't set it to maximum power. Medium or low is usually enough. Leave it on. Turn off the lights, leave the door open, and go to your bedroom. Set the candles by the side of the bed next to a lighter, your alarm clock and your cell phone. Leave it charging. Set your alarm clock for 3.30am. Turn off the lights and sleep while holding your power object, get some rest, and it's show time. Wake up at 3.30 a.m. with your alarm clock. Turn it off, but don't turn on the light. You have exactly three minutes to light your candle, grab your cell phone, and make your
Starting point is 01:09:55 way to the dark room to sit in your throat. You should be seated by 3.33 a.m. Don't forget your power object. Check for potential red flags. If your cell phone didn't charge for whatever reason, abort the mission. If the alarm clock didn't go off at exactly 3.30 a.m., abort the mission. If you find the dark room door closed, remember you left it open, abort the mission. If the fan is turned off, you left it turned on, abort the mission.
Starting point is 01:10:17 So I know, if you have to abort the mission due to any of the above, leave the house with your loved one, go to a hotel or something. There's no need to run. You have time to grab your jacket and your keys or whatnot, but leave. After 6am, the coast should be clear. If all is going as planned, you can proceed to take your throne. Do not look directly at either of the two mirrors you put beside you. Do not let the candle go out. The fan is behind you. You must protect the candle with your body, which is standing in between. There's a reason for this, as you'll soon see. Look straight ahead at the darkness, not at the candle, not at the mirrors, just straight ahead.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Eglide readers surely noticed, I didn't say, during setup, which chair was queen and which chair was full. That's because it's your job to find out. And from their point of view, you are either their queen or their full two. Hence, three kings. I won't spoil what happens next. Suffice to say you won't be alone. And if you have any questions, you'll get answers. Sometimes in the form of new questions, but hey, that's the story of humanity. Just stay put.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Yeah, just stay put and try not to move. Again, do not look directly at the mirrors nor the candle. Just straight ahead, trust me. Don't check it out either. You need to wait until 434. I 434, it's all over. It's okay to tremble a little bit. Just try not to. Not because it affects the ritual. Anything. It's just a pussy thing to do while in polite company. Just be, be don't tremble in front of your loved one. Don't be a bitch. Did I mention not to let the candle go out? That's what the fan is for.
Starting point is 01:11:46 You're protecting the candle with your body, but if your body were to be suddenly moved, then the fan would turn the candle off. That's backup number one. Your loved one is backup number two. At 434, she has to come in the room and call your name. If that won't work, she has to call your cell phone. If that won't work, she has the glass of water in the bucket.
Starting point is 01:12:06 She can't touch you, though. That's a newbie mistake. Backup number three is your item of power, the toy or lock it or whatever object of strength you brought along for the ride. It'll show you the way out. Multiple backups, you gotta be like a boy scout if you do these things. If you half-ass it, half-ass it all the way so that it won't work. Worst you can do is take it,
Starting point is 01:12:26 worst you can do is take it seriously enough for it to work and not seriously enough to be prepared for the consequences if in doubt refer to title. And that's the post. There you go. So yeah, the fan is a backup to blow the candle out in case you were moved, you know, cell phone same thing. And that's the three kings ritual.
Starting point is 01:12:45 It's a, it's called three kings because I guess you're on your left and you're right or like portals to other dimensions where other people are doing the same thing or are there versions of you are doing the same thing? And you're looking into the darkness, your question should be answered. And if you fuck it up, he never, ever, ever specifies
Starting point is 01:13:02 what happens like if you do it wrong. Remember like, like you said, just leave the house. So you just leave the house. Don't know why, don't know what that means. You never ever specifies. But that gentleman is the, I would say the most modern of these five rituals, the three kings. What do you think?
Starting point is 01:13:20 Would you perform three kings? There's a lot of work honestly. I don't think I would do it just because it's a lot of work. It seems, yeah, it seems almost like a little bit This one feels like they made it so complex that nobody would ever do it the elevator one I was like I would do this. I would like go fuck around and try this this one. It seems so imaginary Yeah, that that it that it's just believe it at the very top he says says, remember, more like a short story than a real thing.
Starting point is 01:13:46 And he even says at the top, and whether you believe it, like how much you believe this to be true will affect it. Like, you know, lots of wiggle room for it to fuck up, lots of little things to fuck it up for it to not to work properly, but that's the three kings ritual. And boys, that's the first,
Starting point is 01:14:00 potentially only episode on ritual hauntings, some familiar, some non, and there's a ton of them out there I have a whole list of ones I was gonna go do if we didn't have enough time. We got things like You got the hooded man ritual one man hide and seek the picture game Charlie Charlie challenge You know the stuff that uh really excites Alex particularly Charlie Charlie I'm just flabbergasted by the name Charlie Charlie. I can't believe that I'd never heard of it before because I feel like I would remember it.
Starting point is 01:14:30 And it was from 2015 by the way, 2015 is Charlie Charlie vibes. So, but that's it boys, that's it for us, that's it for 2023. We're done for the new year. Thank you guys so much. What is it like? Being here with us all through 2023. Allow
Starting point is 01:14:45 us to be the thing you listen to every week to keep you company. All your support on Patreon has been crazy. It's only grown and we appreciate you for allowing us to kind of grow our project and grow the show along with you. And we're really excited for 2024 as we enter year six of Cholumina podcast. We have just more ideas and more stuff coming. Enjoy your holiday, enjoy your new year. Stay safe. If holiday, enjoy your new year, stay safe. If you're going to get drunk, stay safe, get newver and, uh, kiss that person, you know, whoever they are. When the person, when the ball drops, grab their balls and give them a kiss.
Starting point is 01:15:14 That's what Jesse's going to do. I'm going to, I'm going to kiss Jesse on New Year. How long do you see how it's possible? You fly here and kiss and I can't, I'm not possible with the three Kings ritual. I love that thanks for listening everybody We'll be back next week with a brand new episode here and we're gonna head over to patreon.com slash to lemonade pod to do a mini So right now bless you. Thank you again. Bless you. And that's okay. Bye. Bye Shit
Starting point is 01:15:42 Shit from sad Poop from Uranus. I wanna pay no mind but it came straight line. It came straight line. It came straight line. It was more free than a man and they came from my behind

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