Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 233 - The Philadelphia Experiment

Episode Date: January 7, 2024

Mike, Jesse and Alex finally tackle a topic about a cloaking, teleporting and time traveling US NAVY experiment that definitely happened. Definitely. MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD HelloFresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chillfree CODE: CHILLFREE Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

Yeah, hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast episode 233 as always I'm one of your host Mike Martin joined my beautiful boys in LA Jesse and Alex welcome Gentlemen happy That's us we made it. How was your new years gentlemen? Did you do anything fun and exciting tell me about it? It's fantastic I went to Vancouver Canada great time. got to tell everybody. What's that? I was the big I was the big foot. Everybody was hunting for me, man. No, but we went down to a place called the gas town and this was perfect for Chiluinaadi actually. There was we were just walking up the street and Kelly and Amanda went across the street to check out this pet psychic.

That was on the business, that was facade that was there and it had these really neat neon lights out front, a cult eye and a cat with a moon. This is really cool. And there was a few of these back in Rhode Island when I lived in Patucket. Yeah, yeah. And then like the door opened, they were taking pictures in front of the lights

and then the door opened and it was like bustling inside. It was like a speakeasy. And inside it was like a 1930s occult, like cthulhu themed, like French salon style bar and lounge, called pet psychic. Okay, that's it. It was so tight. like French salon style bar and lounge called pet psychic. Okay, that's it.

It was so tight. That's a while. We just like, we just like opened the door and we're like, hello, and they were like, you found us. And like we were like, do you have a table? And they were like, we can squeeze you in if you're out by 815, but in fucking Canada, the sun goes down at like 4.30 p.m. So it felt like it was the middle of the night at 6 p.m.

And we were in there and it was awesome. There was like a teaky drink that came in a c'thulou head with dry ice in it that had like smoke coming out of the ice. What the fuck? That sounds fucking sick. I ordered a there was there was cocktails based on the higher arcana of tarot. And every time you ordered one, it came with the card. I ordered the Wheel of Fortune,

and the cocktail was roll full your alcohol and roll for your characteristic. And I got like a bold whiskey, and it like came that way. It was like the most stanky old-fashioned I've ever had in my life. That sounds like a lot of fun. I would do that drink simply because of the wheel, even if I don't like drinking anyway. That sounds like a lot of fun. I would do that drink simply because of the wheel,

even if I don't like drinking anyway. That sounds like a good time. It was playing the sort of unlicensed horror music that we listened to a lot in scary games squad, like early turn of the century style. You're all gonna die? Yeah. Yeah, like stuff like that.

And it was like a combination of like, people in cosplay from Gen X who like, were waiting for this their whole lives to like finally have a place to like, be this in reality. And an old man who was like, literally no joke like, oh, I love this song when I was younger. Char trues, please. Like, it was a vibe. That man haunted by the ghosts of the sea. Guessy, what about you?

What'd you do, dude? I'm trying to remember what I've done. I'll be honest. I don't. What did you do? What'd you do, dude? I'm trying to remember what I've done. I'll be honest. Uh, I don't... What did you do for a new year? Anything? You just hang out? I don't. No, I didn't do anything.

I think I was in bed by 10. Uh, I woke up the next day and I was like, all right, back on the grind. I think I took exactly 48 hours of doing nothing. Hey, that's pretty good, though. And then I went to bed. Now think I took exactly 48 hours of doing nothing. Hey, that's pretty good though. And then I went to bed. Now I would have gone out, but I then went to bed. I noticed that was like a big, that was kind of like a vibe.

Like we're on the West Coast. So we have the last New Year's besides Hawaii, which shout outs to the homies in Hawaii, but like in the, in the continental United States, we are the latest. And everybody's like, my mom and dad were like, we're doing mountain time New Year so we can go to bed early or like,

we're doing New York New Year, we're watching the New York one so we can go to bed early. And it's like, that's not New Year's. You're just going to bed at 9 p.m. the night before New Year's, I don't know. Yeah, no, I didn't care. I went and I got like a good New Year's Eve

kind of like food outage. Food outage, that's right. Food outage. Food outage. I also had to come bring you some of my stuff. I needed help, I needed those dogs to come save me. Yeah. And then I went home and was like,

I don't, what if instead of staying up, I like slept, bro. And so I may have had an edible or three and then went to bed and it was great. An edible or three will put you to bed, for sure. Yeah, it was lovely. And then I woke up the next day and I was like, ooh, I guess I'll go play a video game with something. Oh, you're a cop-a-lepricot.

You're a saint's preserve us. Yeah, I didn't do jack for New Year. I didn't. New year, it's weird. I'll do stuff if people want to do stuff. It's just like my birthday. It's like every holiday. I don't care about any of them.

I like New Year's day. But if someone wants to do stuff, I'll do holiday. I don't care about any of them. But if someone wants to do stuff, I'll do it. But like, it doesn't affect me. I like New Year's Day. It is probably because it is my mom's actual birthday, which happy birthday mom. But also it is like the ultimate Sunday for some reason. I don't know why, but it's not really a holiday,

but everybody's like, by the way, we don't open on New Year's Day. We're just not doing anything on that day. That's not really a holiday, but everybody's like, by the way, we don't open on New Year's Day, we're just not doing anything on that day. That's our jammy day, so you guys are sure. I remember like the decade of working restaurants, working New Year's Day was basically taking a day off, but in the restaurant, because there was really nobody coming in ever

until way later. Like we never really slapped like a real tradition on that day like California we got the Rose Parade and I think people watch that all over the world, but like There's not really a New Year's Day deal, but we all just kind of like do puzzles really. Yeah, I don't know It's time. Yeah, I just I just smoked some weed and I started playing through Dragon's Dogma again in preparation for the next month so into free dude and that game still absolutely holds the fuck up. It's still got, you know, the combat in that game is just extremely great. It's tight. It's fun. I'm excited. I'm excited for

that entire entire sequel. I have a list on my desktop right now of every game coming out to the end of March that I want to play. And it's a lot. It's a lot. Number. If you have, if you have an everybody go check out Geek Enders podcast. Jesse's new podcast with Dodger. You. Dodger. When you can hear him talk about video games and other do love the games. Dodger.

But I don't love the holidays. Dodger. You know, she asked to come back and then trying to schedule her is like impossible. Uh, she'll be back at some point. She was an ink stop having stop having kids. That's my advice. Come back Dodger. don't have children. And I would say that Kranda reached out to me the other day wanting to come back on the show too.

So come back. He's just born. He's just born. He's like, he's a part of a child. Kranda. What, what is that? Is it because I went to college? Kound, message math is back.

Kranda, who are you? You can always message me on patreon.com slash joluminati pod though. I'm so glad that you segwayed to that because it is such a good website, not just for reaching out to us if you want to be a guest host as a mutual. But it's also a great place to go. If you want to support the show that we put on, because

that's the point of that website. And honestly, if you do want to contact us, you know, you already know how. We're mutual, so you probably have a fun number. So, you know, make... I hope so. But in general, everybody else should go to patreon.com slash chumonidpod

because separately, it's a good website. And if you go there, not only does it keep our lights on, but you get neat things in return, like a digital version of a PBS tote bag. Like what you say, add free episodes, mini-sodes, rotten popcorn episodes, bespoke art, all kinds of shit, all kinds of shit that we put on there, you know, great stuff. And if you pay us $10,000, Jesse will sell his soul to you for one month's time. It's not worth much, but $10,000. $10,000, baby. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. You know, that'll pay you a good chunk of it. Yeah, there's going to be at least one like time for your responsive decisions, rich people. There's like one Coke brother. There's at least one Coke brother that could pay me to say some crazy shit. Come here, you Coke brother. Come here, you Coke brother. Come here, you coke brother. Are we hunting the warriors?

That was epic right now. Why? Coke brothers, come here. The warriors was one of those movies that I watched. And I was so boring. What? You're like that kid who's like black and white. No, no, that, no, I just didn't, I don so boring. I was so bored. What? Yeah. You're like that kid who's like black and white. No, no, that, no, I just didn't, I don't know.

It was just boring. The Warriors, I maybe watched it when I was too young. I was like 17, 18. When I was, when I worked at a video store for seven years, I heard a lot of opinions from Normi, Bormis about what they thought of movies. And the worst like take, like the most lazy worst take

that anybody can have about a movie. As a cashier from Blockbuster Video, is saying that the movie is fucking slow. Get the fuck out of here. What do you mean it's slow? It's just pasted in a way that you don't like, and that's okay. I don't think, Malthus, I don't think you could dig it.

I didn't dig it. They asked, can you dig it? You were think, I don't think you could dig it. I didn't dig it. They asked, can you dig it? You were like, I don't think so. I played the rock star game though. That was pretty good. Yeah, the game was great. It was fire. Game was good.

Game was good. I also watched like thank you for smoking randomly and I didn't like that either. Are we just doing updates on the way? We have to talk a bit about watching episodes. We have to do an episode. We just got to talk. We got, now welcome to the new year

where the podcast is totally changed into, what are we doing in our daily lives podcast? Now, it's episode 233 boys and it's a brand new year and I'm excited for this topic because I have been wanting to cover and talk about covering this topic for a few years now. I just ended up being, Alex, you can probably relate to this. It's one of those topics that there's no good,

like solid source. It's a lot of different sources with varying different stories on it, all come together. That is why those listicles exist. Tocles. That's why those listicles existicles. Well, this is one of those.com. Slash Patreon.

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It's one of those examples one of those conspiracies you will, that is kind of muddled in. There's a few strands of truth in there that we can pull on and we'll talk about, but it's hard to really pinpoint if most of this is true, it likely is not. That in mind, we're going to be talking about the Philadelphia experiment today. Yay! Yeah, what a big one! It's one thing coming for a while. Again, it's messy.

There's really no good source other than the one book that was published by the guy who claims that this was a thing. As I always like to ask though, you boys both know Philadelphia experiment? Yeah, this is like the most losty mystery. This is like the most Dharma initiative shit. It's like dudes getting teleported into bulkheads. And squarming around and miss, miss, miss executed teleportation experiments.

Yeah, strong, not Penny's boat vibes. Something Montac, blah, blah, blah, something Nikola Tesla, something something blah, blah, blah. And the thing with Nikola Tesla and Vaughn Newman, which is who you're referring to, you know, two of them, depending on who you talk to, they may or may not have been involved, but for the sake of today's story and the sake of what seems to be the general consensus, they will be involved.

So as we go through this, just understand this is my attempt at pulling a bunch of things together to create a cohesive narrative about something that is messy at best and absolutely fictional at worst, which is likely where it sits. But again, there are little nuggets of like actuality that kind of run through this, but we'll talk about it. You had, you got Denver airport it is what happened here. That's, I can't tell. You know, it happens, man, it's not the first time.

You know, we've been in this house. You were like, this is going to be, this is like a classic topic. Everybody always wants us to talk about this. I bet this is gonna be so juicy and then you found out the reality is that like, we're gonna cover this entire mystery in one episode and everybody's gonna think it's fake by the end. You are 110% correct and this started like three weeks ago. And I'm like, this is taking so much longer than I thought it was gonna go.

Yeah, yeah, welcome. Yeah, so basically, with the Philadelphia extrovert, the story goes that in the fall of 1943, in the bustling, navely shipyards of Philadelphia, extraordinary scientific discoveries happened. The eldritch becomes, which is a ship's name, becomes enveloped in a strange green fog in Voila. It simply vanishes before your eyes,

only to reappear moments later, and then another attempt, months after that, that completely change our understanding of physics and reality. To understand, this ship is 300 feet long and a 1,200 ton ship. This thing is fucking cute. This is like a big metal American warship,

like a big anywhere in the middle of World War II right now, fighting multiple fronts. This is like a big boy who's very important. This just goes to show you, when it comes down to which of these fucking things are the ones that everybody loves to trade and talk about and get excited about, it's just all about showmanship,

it's all about the coolness of the fucking setting. This is already, this is riveting compared to half the stories we talk about in terms of like, cinematic spectacle. Like, what are we talking about here? There is a movie based on this already. Yeah. It's called the Philadelphia Experiment.

I think it's from 1984, I have not seen it. It just popped up in my research constantly. Have you seen, I'm speaking of, have you seen that? You guys are more movie bust than I am. I know that it exists, but I have not seen it. It just popped up in my research constantly. Have you see I'm speaking of have you seen that you guys are more movie bus than I am. I know that it exists But I have not watched it Okay, it actually plays a role the movie plays a role in the story. Yeah, the actual movie plays a role in this Oh That's a Jesse I can't answer you right now Question Jesse, I can't answer you right now. I know what the show is.

I'm just gonna. So we're gonna go ahead and navigate through the Foggan conspiracy theories, eyewitness accounts, classified, supposed classified information, was it a military marvel and elaborate hoax, something entirely different, and we'll figure it out as we go through the most tantalizing and mysterious stuff

surrounding the Philadelphia experiment. In the US, we're gonna to start in the 1930s. In the United States of the 1930s, it was a vibrant place of colliding contradictions, while people were suffering through the going through the throes of the Great Depression. They were also at the split side, we're looking at people dancing to the rise of upbeat rhythms and swinging jazz at that time too. So people are internally kind of sad, but externally a lot of the art and the music is keep people moving in a happy mood.

And it was in this decade of weird hope and hardship that whispers supposedly began to stir in the scientific community whispers about a theory that would change everything. At the heart of these whispers and murmurs was none other than Albert Einstein himself, the father of relativity, and the dude with the craziest hair in the whole wide world. This Einstein at this point was already a legend for unraveling the mysteries of the universe, rumored to be working on something even more groundbreaking. And this is an actual theory. It's simply called the unified field theory. In this elusive theory, more very enigmatic,

you kind of compare it to Schrodinger's box, promised to marry gravity with electromagnetism, potentially unlocking the secrets of the cosmos. I don't want to be weird right now, but I do want to just highlight the similarity that this has to that sort of all one energy gravity manipulation electromagnetic alien UFO technology. I'm already going to say I'm going to take that and say it's part of the episode Alex,

we'll get to that. Yeah, I'm right. This is tied into the UFO world, maybe even more so than just beyond the similarities in technology. But yeah, there is that kind of feel of like weird, like everything's kind of related. And I'm going to try here to give you like what this theory is in a way that hopefully like I got it right in maybe made sense, but basically, so Einstein as far as we know, spent the latter part of his career working on this unified the field theory,

aiming ideally to unify at least gravity and electromagnetism into a single framework. The idea is like we know we can like get electricity from magnets or magnetism but so he's trying to basically put an umbrella and say everything is related to everything like it's all one thing. Sure. But despite Einstein's efforts as far as we know he was never able to successfully do so. He never was able to develop a complete and working unified field theory. Again, or so they'd have you believe.

The search for a unified field theory or a quote unquote theory of everything, as a lot of people call it, it continues to today be a major goal in physics. Modern approaches to this problem include string theory and loop quantum gravity, but as of now, a fully successful unification of all fundamental forces hasn't been done yet.

We haven't gotten there. The quest for such a theory is one of the more ambitious and challenging things to do in the field of theoretical physics. So this unified field of everything sits at the core of the Philadelphia experiment as a whole. And while the rest of the world was learning about the Jitterbug, Einstein was allegedly deep in thought, his brain storms, perhaps as electric as the swings of the era, because

I can think about when you do swing dancing, is like swinging the women from one hand to another. And that's all I can't think of. Is that how you see that? Sw swinging the women from one hand to another. And that's all I can't think of. Is that how you see that? Swinging the women? Yeah, they do a little spin and they're dressed, you know, swinging the other side. Swinging the women. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no The unified field theory remained shrouded in mystery for him as it was never published or peer reviewed. But in the hush, hush corners of supposed scientific gossip, it was said that this theory

could do the impossible. Bend light in a way, bend light through the manipulation of electromagnetic fields to be able to render something invisible to the naked eye. So cloaking technology essentially. The stability to like, and I feel like that idea has been used in movies many, many, many. Bending light. Yeah, bending light as a way to cloak the thing

in front of a thing. I don't even really understand how you bend light, to be honest. Well, that's why the theory hasn't really come to fruition. Yeah. I don't even, I can't, it's hard for me to conceive exactly of what it is to bend like.

Well, we know bent, we can like bend light just through like a glass of water, for instance, right? Like that's an example of light kind of being bent and just like other light just doesn't get bent, right? Like, you know what I mean? Like would it make you invisible to bend some of the light? I don't know.

Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, if you could control the way the light is bending, I imagine, and which way it's refracting, possibly. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The real deal is, this is like me, just like, stoner brain thinking about this, but like, just, I don't really understand.

I always think about people saying bending light, I never really understand what bending light means. If you're of Asian and illegal state, honestly, this is a great episode to just light one up, enjoy, throw on something, and just go for a fun fucking ride. And if you're a physicist, this is a great time to head over to reddit.com slash Chiluminati pod.

Or Chiluminati, what is it? Our slash-chiluminati pod, yeah. And illuminate me on what theoretically bending light could possibly mean. That would be great. I would love you to explain how we did it. We got it all wrong. Just a simple way. That's all. You lie five me. That's all I need. Just a simple, in a simple way.

That's all. You lie five me. That's all I mean. I'm interested. A simple way. Now I'm not that smart. I'm not that smart. I know you're very smart, Alex.

Don't don't lie. I'm not that smart. I know I'm smart in other ways, but not about physics. Physics, I don't have a lot of intelligence about. All right. Well, we're going to fast forward now out of the 1930s and into the 1940s, the early 1940s specifically. We're now in an era where the world has turned a very dark corner with the onset and the

thriving World War II. In the midst of this global turmoil, the US Navy, it said, was pursuing a war strategy ripped straight from the pages of a science fiction novel. And this other than being known as the Philadelphia project had a codename called codename project rainbow. And this ultra-secret endeavor aimed to apply the principles of Einstein's theoretical musings to something startlingly practical and if successful, frighteningly powerful, cloaking a naval ship not just from radars, but from just your very eyes,

disappearing in front of you. And by mid-1942, this project allegedly began to take shape and earnest. A man by the name of Dr. Franklin Reno, a name that would later be whispered in the same breath as the experiment, was rumored to have been brought in to turn this theory into reality. was rumored to have been brought in to turn this theory into reality. Reno's existence and role are as much a part of the mystery of the experiment itself with little concrete evidence to confirm his part in any of the unfolding drama. And just to give you a quick list of names of people who are supposedly heavily involved in this. Obviously Dr. Franklin Reno, we're looking at Albert Einstein.

We've also got Nikola Tesla, who was supposedly involved in this. Tesla was, if you didn't know, famed for his pioneering work and electricity and electromagnetism. Sometimes said that they've been involved in the initial phases of this experiment. According to some, because he was dead by the time this experiment was kind of happening, I think he had died by then. According to some versions of the story, Tesla was given the responsibility of applying his expertise in electromagnetism to achieve the goal of rendering the USS eldrige invisible. However, Tesla died in January of 1943, and there are no reliable historical records linking to him to this supposed Philadelphia experiment. We also have involved John Von Numen,

a renowned mathematician of physicist Hungarian. He is also sometimes cited as a participant in the project, and this suggests that von Neumann continued the work after Tesla's death, applying his own expertise in quantum mechanics and computer science. von Neumann's involvement is often mentioned in relation to the supposed bizarre effects on the crew members, like mental disorientation, the physical embeddedness of people within the ship itself, as these were thought to be the results of tampering with quantum realities. Just again, to kind of wrap that in there.

And then two other people that are going to be important to the story overall, a man by the name of Morris K. Jessup. This guy was an astronomer and self-proclaimed ufologist. Jessup is an important figure in the spread of the Philadelphia Experiment story and we'll get to why later. After receiving correspondence from a man by the name of Carlos Ayende, he became one of the first to publicize the alleged events in his book, The Case for the UFO, which we will be referring to later. Then there is Carlos Miguel Agendé, he's a somewhat kind of enigmatic figure.

Agendé also, well, we'll get to that in a minute. He's got another name he goes by. Is the person that divides... Most responsible for publicizing the Philadelphia experiment. He claimed to have been a witness to the experiment while serving on the merchant ship SS Andrew Firsooth or Firosseth His letters to his letters to author Morris K. Jessup the guy we just talked about in the 1950s is what brought this story to the public eye and This guy's name actually isn't Carlos Miguel Legende his name is Carl Allen Yende, his name is Carl Allen.

Yende? He's a white Carl Allen. He created this fictional name for himself when he was writing the whole stuff involving the Philadelphia experiment. It's Carlos Miguel Yende. And he's just my dad. The reason he ended up coming forward and making it known he was, it was him, is hilarious.

And we'll talk about it at the end when we're kind of wrapping this up. It's just my dad walking into a Mexican restaurant. Let me get a dose and chila das. Support for more. What congas? Yeah. Everybody out here in Texas too. As 1942 eventually kind of gave way to 1943,

we had a set stage for something potentially extraordinary. In the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, the USS Eldridge, a canon class destroyer escort, a weighted stroll in what would become one of the most tantalizing tales of military lore. The ship, like a character out of a Houdini act, was being prepared for a performance that would baffle and bewilder a vanishing act on an unprecedented scale.

Now remember, would Wright smack dab in the middle of World War II at this point and fighting a war on multiple fronts? Having the ability and technology to turn something invisible in front of your very eyes would have been groundbreaking in war changing. And if this is all true, supposedly FDR, recognizing all importance would be, this made the decision that this project was best used for the Navy, which is why it's the USS Eldridge

that's doing this. It was the president's decision saying the Navy was just the most important part of this war at the moment. So let's continue on now to January of 1943 and set the scene for the supposed events leading up to the infamous Philadelphia experiment. Now remember, there's a lot of shit that's gonna happen, so just try and follow if you have any questions,

I will happily fucking clarify. So, in the Throws of World War II, where apparently some folks in the Navy thought, let you know what, let's just get an actual invisible shield, we begin in the early months. The Navy and a stroke of genius are madness, depending on your viewpoint, decides to dabble in kind of like mystical scientific reality-bending experiments. The USS Eldridge with the number DE173 is the one chosen for this grand experiment, and if you ever wonder why, it's maybe nobody knows what their specific reason, this specific

ship was chosen for. It could just be random. It could have been for a reason we do not know. According to legend, the ship is then rigged with some serious hardware. We're talking generators, Tesla coils, and other tech stuff that sounds straight out of like a freaking Star Trek convention. The goal of all this technology is to create an electric electromagnetic field so powerful on the ship that it would render the ship invisible to enemy radars and people's eyes, to just

warp with electromagnetism, supposedly. So like radar cloaking. Yeah, radar, but also in front of your eyes, eyes, your eyes, your eyes. Yeah. How would that work though? Magnets, dude, how do magnets work? Magnets, exactly what I'm saying.

But like hot scientists would be like, you know what? Electromagnetism, if we do it enough, you just won't be able to see it. Like that's not even how that works. It's the, they're trying to abide. It's the line of unified field theory. And I don't know how they're doing it.

Technology is what my brain. Like I know, I'm no scientist who digs to the center of the earth to save the planet from a not spinning core. But I'm pretty sure the entire plot of that movie is like, yeah, no, the entire planet's covered with an electromagnetic field and it prevents us from like, ends the light around you, the electromagnetic field bends the light around the ship, causing it to become invisible. Okay. All right. Thank you

with Alex. That's the attitude we need. I'm picturing a cling on warbird. Just yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well not I mean cling on yeah, but it also works out well for them Or Romulan warbird Romulan they always they always end up getting their gas detected Yeah, like the tailpipe and they can blow it up every time It's true that well. We'll see what we'll see if this really works for them. I don't know maybe it will make Carves there he would have seen through this whole thing I always apologize to him. TNG though or per card from Picard.

Same guy from Picard. Same guy. He ain't going to see shit. What do you mean? Same guy. Well, he's been dealing with the androids of androids. And he is an Android now, but a flesh Android that ages. Let's apologies to Klingons and Romulans, I didn't mean to mistake each other. Baseless. In fairness. In fairness, neither of you exist. I mean, I just fear.

You're going to get an angrily worded letter from the klingon empire by first. And I will not be able to read it, and I will not look it up. It will be like Kupla bro, Kupla. So as we move through the winter of 1943 into the spring and summer, the thing is now fully decked out. And rumors are beginning to swirl around the naval yard like crazy. Whisperers of weird experiments, mysterious unknown scientists, and Einstein's secret recipes for bending reality. The sailors look at the eldritch with a mix of curiosity and maybe even relief that they're not part of that ship. How much time is this we talking about? look at the eldritch with a mix of curiosity and maybe even relief that they're not part of that ship.

How much time is this we talking about? So when we talked about them decking the ship out was the beginning of January 1943. Now we're looking at about July is when the first test I believe happens. How close is this to like the general public? They're going to, well, they're decking it out in the general public, but the general public doesn't know what it's being decked out for, which is why the rumors begin. They see scientists. What the green gas and all that happens. No, that doesn't happen yet. That's happened. They're not going to do it like in the freaking shore. They're going to take the boat out

and then do it. All right. So the brains behind this operation are said to be, like I said, some of the most crazy brilliant scientists of our of that time, and you're trying to turn Einstein's unified field theory into reality. And so we finally move into now October. So October 1943, January, October 1st, this rolls around and it's time for the first attempt. The stage is set, the eldritch is ready, totally decked out in a weird tech, and the Navy's top brass are probably rubbing their hands together in excited anticipation.

The experiment begins with a simple flick of a switch after they take the boat out and we imagine a flick of a switch, but as a moment happens, you hear the crackle of electricity, a weird bizarre scene unfolds in front of you. The eldritches then engulfed in a weird greenish fog. Then as if by magic or questionable science, it simply vanishes for a few moments, only to reappear right where it was a couple seconds later. Witnesses that got to see this reportedly saw the ship materialize out of thin air, but beyond a few of the crew members feeling a little nauseous afterward, nothing

of note seemed to cause any issues. In essence, a success if a shortly lived one as it only was a couple seconds, but it happened. They did it. They made it work. So they decided to bring the ship back on shore and spend the next few months putting more technology on the ship. They put more Tesla coils and other technology that bends electromagnetism and prepared ideally for another attempt a few months later, that would work.

Wait, so was there any science in the like number or were they just like more? More, Jesse. They're like, well, we got it for a few seconds. So if we just like more? More, Jesse. They were like, well, we got it for a few seconds. So if we just put more numbers. Test the coils on it. We're gonna be gone for like a minute, bro.

That's just not, you know, maybe they burned the files. We just don't have them. We only have eyewitness accounts supposedly. I would just love to know what the, you know, there's gotta be some sort of science here where they were just like, all right, we'll put two more on see what happens And then we'll do it. We're gonna some guy like all of them gentlemen all of them

That seems crazy to me. No wonder people is in bulkheads and stuff according to the story Well, now they're gonna actually attempt this again in July. It's like a Godzilla movie type guy pushing them, right? Like, yeah, that's what I imagined. Like just do it. And also, I want to point out that we also mentioned, if you remember, the Greenstone Part Three Part One. Yeah, which was like a underwhelming UFO story that Jesse didn't like very much.

Do you remember that? I don't remember any of that. No, Jesse liked any of the Greenstone very much. I think he has a fondness for it that Jesse didn't like very much. Do you remember that? I don't remember that. No, just like any of the greenstone very much. I think he has a fondness for it that he can't, you know, I like to think that somewhere in there. Anyway, there's $1,000. The story is about their driving and they have like a UFO encounter and what appears around them as the, as the UFO, we part of the encounter occurs is like a rolling like, you know,

yes, I remember this. Six-foot-high green fog. And if you're thinking about it from the point of view of like why an alien would do that, and you know now that that might be residue from electromagnetism bending light to create invisibility from outside, maybe there's something there. Just drawing perils. And you're going to help me explain this because a few months later after they decked it out with more technology, it was time once again to give the big old red button another

push and see what happened. But instead of green fog appearing and creeping in, this time, the ship simply vanished in a bright flash of blue light. Just gone. They went too far. They did too much. Like, nothing there or like nothing. Yeah, like nothing there. Because this time it's gone. The ship didn't reappear, at least not where it originally vanished from. Instead, it appeared 400 miles away in Norfolk, Virginia. It just fucking absolutely just moved 400 miles.

And so, kind of like antibiotics, instead of discovering what they were intending to discover, they accidentally discovered teleportation instead. It appeared on land? Uh, no, near it in the water. Oh, shit. Okay. Success. Maybe question mark.

As I teleported there, it would only sit in the water out there for a few moments before in another flash of blue light. Just as mysteriously it has appeared in Norfolk, the eldritch zips back to Philadelphia where it originally departed from. The ship re-emerges in another wondrous flash of blue light, but it's not quite the same. Something is a skew, not just with the ship itself, but also the crew who are beginning to experience their own personal hells the moment they return back to Philadelphia. But there we have the two experiments.

The journey from October to October and October to July, giving those experiments and what ended up happening. But the side effects of the Philadelphia experiment are perhaps why this story is known as well as it is. It's where the line between science fiction and really fucking bad terrible day gets blurred. And let's take a look at some of the post-experiment world of the USS Eldridge and its crew that sounds horrifying. And first, we'll just start with the ship. What ended up happening to the ship after this? Well, there was what was kind of like, I kind of called just teleportation tarnish, the

USS Eldridge, after it's alleged jaunt Norfolk and back, wasn't just your average ship anymore. It supposedly traveled through space and maybe time ended up coming back with a weird like rust and wear and Terry that it didn't have departing. Then the ship itself became a legend and unwitting celebrity and naval circles

and conspiracy theories. It kind of turned into a weird version of like naval bigfoot. Supposedly, every once in a while, somebody can see the eldritch kind of popping to existence and then disappear again, even though that doesn't make any sense, unless it was, I mean, times where? Whatever. Then you got the magnetism stuff with the post-experiment, the eldritch supposedly had residual magnetic fields. Compuses would go, hey, why are near it? The electronic equipment would just act up. It's basically like it was just frying a ton of different electronics out of just

for what it went through. Then supposedly, the eldritch was also said to be shrouded in an eerie glow afterward, adding to its bizarre aura as a weird ghost ship in a way. And just like- all the time? Yeah, just kind of like glowed all the time, very dull. Anybody take a picture? No, not, just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, like temperature changes as far as I know. I mean, a picture of photograph.

Oh, no, why would you have that? It's the 40s. It would just be black and white anyway. Like, glowed? But it was cool. Oh, wait. The whole ship was like, there's a super secret top secret secret super project. It was going hand-rusted that certainly In dry dog that I would

Norfolk Virginia or in Philadelphia no Philadelphia after it returned. That's a bix. There's a lot of people in that city I mean hey man, I don't know what to tell you. I only know what the facts are and I'm telling you the facts Alright facts hold on hold on The facts are, and I'm telling you the facts. All right. Facts. Hold on. Hold on. Proported.

Facts. Facts, your facts, man. I can't argue with the facts. Yeah, exactly. You can't argue with facts. Facts, facts. Can I argue with the facts, baby? A few other things.

The electrical equipment for then on, like just around the ship, just behave erratically, even after like the breaking aspect of it passed, there was always this like electronic equipment didn't always operate quite right in there. And then they've got the magnetic disturbances as I said earlier, but also it was supposedly like would draw in metal objects. Like an actual magnet. The ship started like pulling in metallic objects to the ship. It almost don't gravitate. Like a car or like some of these things. No, we're talking smaller things, like small things, and it was not like it was stuck

permanently. You could pick it up and pull it off the ship. It just had a weird magnetic. Like a property, yeah. A property to it, yeah, yeah. But the real horror wasn't really what happened to the ship. It was what happened supposedly to the crew or a long list of things that happened to the poor fucking crew if

this, you know, it actually happened. So let's talk a few of them. First, you got your basic stuff, things like your physical ailments, your talking nausea, intense nausea vertigo headaches, a condition known as, quote unquote, molecular distortion, where the body's very structure felt misaligned or out of sync. Then some people were supposedly developed a weird relationship with electromagnetic fields. They would suffer shocks when touching metal objects or electronic devices would malfunction or behave erratically in their presence.

So they just were like the anti-technology supervillain. Anything near and breaks, they couldn't use it. Then you have the more the weirder things that we'll talk about. But last, we have psychological trauma. Mental toll was taken on the crew. Many of those involved were said to have suffered severe psychological disturbances, including acute anxiety, debilitating paranoia, and hallucinations. The trauma was reportedly so intense that some were said to have been institutionalized,

while others supposedly vanished and were quietly discharged under mysterious circumstances. Do we have any stories of their accounts of what happened? Yes, we will get to that. Thank God. That's what I care about. I want to bring this to life for me, please. Yeah, I want to know when they went through the looking glass, what happened? I'll do it.

You are not ready for the, for the act of the person. I am ready. That's all I want. An narration of a man whose leg is still stuck in a bulkhead. Yeah. Any of the invisibility, the invisibility after effects for some sailors, some of them allegedly continued to experience bouts of invisibility long after the experiment. They were just vanished from people's sight.

They were random, uncontrollable, leading to terrifying moments where individuals were simply phased out of visible existence, sometimes just partially, sometimes entirely. And I am that. Huh? No pictures of this though. They phased out of existence, what do you take to slow down? I'm not partially.

Can you pick up a fucking cup? No, I took it too long. No. It's not a rule, dude. Could you dress? Yeah, sorry. No, you can't do that. Then you got the people who were

spotted. The people who were spotted. The people who were spotted. Then you have the other people who were that. Then you got the people who were spotted. The clothes become visible when you touch them. Then you have the other people who are instead of working. You, how's, yeah, how does that work? When you're dressed, how do you, what happens like, if your clothes weren't on the Philadelphia, I mean, on the Eldridge.

Well, so the way I imagine it, if we're gonna take this to question seriously, is if you're radiating your own electromagnetic field, you're bending light around you accidentally, so you'd be bending light around the clothing as well. Disappealing. And so if you were holding something, even if at the cup, I imagine that would vanish as well. All right. Well, the science checks out. Thank you very much. Check out. They got us. If you're not one of the ones spontaneously

be going invisible, maybe you're one of the ones that got spontaneous phasing. This is this phenomenon where crew members would suddenly and inexplicably phase through solid objects. Like shadow cat. Like, oh phase through solid objects like shadow cat. Like, oh yeah, like my shadow cat, exactly. No shadow cat from the X-Men. Oh, or my shadow. Go to cat. Yeah, same guy basically.

Yeah, kitty prong. They were unable to control it. Shit, a dragon. That's true. They were unable to control it and they were herring accounts of sailors who got stuck in their own walls and floors at home and like horribly horribly like fucking injured and shit like just Absolutely displacing themselves. That's what the fuck is that the ones who walked out with physical

Psychological or like random phasing like problems are the ones that got were fucking lucky Because then you had the people who after it were turned to Philadelphia were physically melded on a molecular level to the ship itself. One of the most grotesque and frequently cited aside effects was the supposed fusion of sailors to the ship's bulkhead. Like imagine crew members becoming unintentionally

part of its structure, they were supposedly screaming like like an utter pain and horror The bodies were completely fused with the steel arms emerging from bulkheads faces embedded in the deck a surreal and like kind of ghastly human ship amalgamation They should take a picture of this man. This is fucked up No pictures were taken. This is unbelievable. We should, man. No. Plausible in liability. We can't let those guys suffer.

You're right. Let's get out of here. USA. If you need to understand why they didn't do this, why they didn't take photos? Just go watch the Star Trek episode where the A plot is data having sex and the B-plot is people getting stuck in the bulkheads.

Remember that? That happened. They care more about data getting banged than people like stuck in the ship. So obviously, you might try to do a robot. I'm always getting fucked somewhere. Let me remind you, technology kind of fried in the presence of the ship. So it was hard to get pictures of anything because that camera would break. Oh,

don't draw anything. Maybe they cut one of the guys out of the bulkhead and like sort of wheel the bulkhead down the street. Not that we're aware of. I don't know. Did anybody go to the newspaper like my daddy is a wall. No, did anybody go to the newspaper like my daddy is a wall? But then we have people who were burning from the inside I got this keep going I got the Inside yeah, dude so according to some accounts They were basically as sailors would feel something like internal burning and they learned that their very cells were

Overheating and undergoing some form of weird radiation poisoning that led to extreme discomfort in some extremely rare cases, spontaneous combustion baby. So they got so supercharged, they just blew up. They got, instead of going super saying, God, they just exploded. Any record of that in any newspaper?

These guys blowing up. There are records of people who have spontaneous combustion. I mean, I know that there are records of a few people who have spontaneously combustion, but have any of them coincidentally been crew members of the Eldridge? You know, maybe it is not known. If you don't have proof that they weren't part of the Eldridge, they could have been. Hey, facts are facts. Facts are, exactly, thank you, facts are facts.

Then you have the people who psychological trauma was so bad, their entire sense of self that disintegrated. They had no grip on reality, unable to discern between past and present. Pollucinations were so intense and they experienced severe disassociation from themselves and they were so shattered. They were simply just their psyche had become shattered from this. Then you had phantom sensations on limbs for some people. Some of the most bizarre effects or reports of phantom limbs on limbs, sailors who were

merged with the ship's hull would feel as if their trapped limbs were still free, experiencing a haunting disconnection between their physical and sensory realities. And then there are people who just temporally looped, expanding on the time displacement aspect. Some accounts suggest that crew members got caught in a short repetitive time loop. Imagine experiencing the same moment, almost like a groundhog day scenario over and over and over and over, unable to break free of that moment. So you're sitting next to this guy, what are we looking at here? And I just like, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, of the death star to. Bae. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, hold on.

So, so it's not that, wait, so are they experiencing a time frame over and over again? Or is it like there just trapped in one second? Like I don't know. Okay. It's never specified. I mean, at least that's honest. I don't, I don't know. It is not. It's not specified. I don't know least that's honest. I don't, I don't know.

It is not, do you read it again? What does it say? Yeah, I got to go back up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were, some accounts suggest that crew members got caught in short repetitive time loops. So experience, they say, imagine experiencing the same moment over and over, unable to break free

from an endless temporal cycle, a phenomenon that not only disorient, but also traps the individual in a slice of time. So it sounds like they get stuck in a moment of time. They eat themselves or so up there. So maybe nobody else is being able to see it. Maybe there's more practice. And then all of a sudden,

I'm like one halfway through his spoonful of chili and then I'm like, oh shit, I'm back. Oh my God, thank God, I was stuck eating that fucking chili for 15 years. Oh God. Oh, that'd be awful. Yeah, that's terrible. What you recognize it though, that's the thing. I mean, I met trapped in that moment in time. Would you recognize it? In fact, if you were trapped in a moment in time right now, this podcast went on forever. Would we recognize it? No, I we wouldn't.'ve thought that thought many a time. Like, have you, did I just blow my own mind with your mind?

I kind of, it's the idea of like time is a flat circle. Maybe we've just done this infinitely and we wouldn't, we'd never known. The same episode over and over again. I still don't know where it is. This is it. This is where you live and he's heard of you. It's a fun spot. And then there were other people who literally just became frozen.

Like almost like statue still, they would just be frozen stuck, mid sentence, mid movement, and just stuck there, apparently aware of their situation and their surroundings, but unable to move until they're body-like, like these fake leaves. And is that what happens to you smoke fake weed? I remember there used to be like, you'd become like a zombie, like you just smoke and then you like are out there

on the street just like, what is fake weed? Can you explain to me what makes the fake weed fake? Once upon a time in a land long, long, in a time long past, you could not get weed legally from the state of California. And in those times, people would smoke fake weed that was unregulated and unlicensed. And what does that mean?

It was like a weed substitute. It was like, you know, impossible weed. Yeah, no, it wasn't salvia, but it was like some kind of chemical shit. It was like, you know, meatless meat. It was like not weed, but it had the effects of weed. But it was unregulated, and people would just get like, whacked out on it and like, just march around the street

freeze in the sidewalk and shit. It was fucked up. Don't smoke that shit. Just wait until you can get weed somewhere. You legally. Please. That's terrible. I don't like it at all. You don't have to, you don't even have to do weed. Y'all, you don't have to. You can just like hang with your friends and get high on life, dude. It's chill. You won't turn into a zombie that way unless your friends is a zombie in which case you're a zombie. So those are the two full experiments that we know of. I believe at that point, they decided, this isn't working, we got to stop this because they fucked up a ton of different people's lives in multiple different ways. And any known further experiments are not really documented if they happened, obviously, at all.

We have a few eyewitness accounts which we're gonna get to in a moment, but also we talked about how this is tied directly in a way to the UFO stuff. And that's what we're gonna kind of jump into now. The primary connection between the Philadelphia experiment UFOs can be traced back to the man I mentioned earlier, the author Morris K. Jessup.

Jessup and astronomer and early UFO researcher wrote the book The Case for the UFO in 1955, which discussed unidentified flying objects in their potential propulsion systems. After the publication of this book, Jessup received correspondence from a man by the name of Carlos Miguel Agendé, who claimed to have witnessed the Philadelphia experiment and provided a detailed account of the event. A Yende's letters to Jessup introduced the notion that the technology supposedly tested in the Philadelphia experiment, like invisibility and teleportation, could be related to the advanced propulsion systems of UFOs. This idea suggests that you're talking about, baby.

This is all from Carlos A Yende, aka Carl Allen. aka the zodiac killer, what's his name? Arthur Allen, Arthur Lee Allen. This idea suggested that either extra terrestrial had shared such technology with humans or that humans had independently developed technology similar to that used by UFOs.

The connection was then further solidified when Jessup was contacted, and this is true, by the Office of Naval Research, the ONR, about a copy of the case of the UFO that had been annotated by unknown individuals and left for the ONR, the this guy to find. These annotations contained references to the Philadelphia Experiment and further the Sky to Find. These annotations contained references to the Philadelphia Experiment

and further linked it to alien technologies in UFOs. Again, it's annotated by people that are unknown. Like, so he reaches out to the author of this book to see if he knows maybe who annotated it and what not, and he has no idea. This annotated version became known as the VARO edition, V-A-R-O. You can actually get a copy of like, I think it's the original Varo edition or one of the OG Varo editions from back then for $7,500.

I look, it's expensive. This Varo edition, this book is kind of like a key document in a lot of people's UFO conspiracy theories intertwining the Philadelphia experiment with extraterrestrial lore, but those people are utterly wrong, and the book is not to be trusted as it is presented, and we're going to talk about why as we continue. Over the years, as the story of the Philadelphia experiment grew and morphed within the UFO conspiracy theory communities, it became part of a larger narrative that includes government cover-ups, advanced technology, and alien encounters. This narrative suggests that the experiment was either an attempt to harness alien tech

or that inadvertently attracted the attention of extraterrestrials. Again, this is also a time where UFOs are starting to become much more widespread and in a few years, you know, the Roswell crash would happen. In the twisting saga of this Philadelphia nonsense, the O and R enters this picture, enters a picture in a chapter that's as intriguing as it is kind of unusual, involving a peculiar version of the book by Morris K. Jessup.

So this is where Carlos Miguel Yende kind of comes in and becomes a bigger player About the through all of this how long is all this after the initial event? This is in 1950 where in 1957 this is happening and the event the experiment took place in 1943 So over a decade later like 13 years after the- Is one stuff finally started to come out? Is what you're saying? Yeah, that's where it's supposedly-

Like the Philadelphia experiment was I think maybe like a rumor or maybe just like a story. It's here in 1957 with this book that we get a lot of what we know today and we're like a solid quote-unquote- Like the crystallization of it, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like a physical version of it with the notes you can read the notes. The memes is matured. Ready for hobbies.

So just for timeline sake. Yeah, yeah, please, please. For timeline sake, because you were talking about Roswell, it would be like, after Roswell. This event took place before Roswell, but the information publicly put out was after Roswell actually, like, a decade after Roswell. A decade almost after Roswell, but the information publicly put out was after Roswell actually, like, a decade

after Roswell. A decade almost after Roswell. You are correct, yes. Yep. Okay. Head on, head on. So, Jessus book, the case for the UFO, which just delved into the mysteries of UFOs on their own and they're possible propulsions for technologies.

It's kind of a book where he's just trying to like figure out what technology would work to explain the way these UFOs are moving because we can't explain it. And while seemingly unrelated to the naval experiments and Project Philadelphia, or Philodelph experiment rather, it would soon become a pivotal link in the tale of the Philodelph experiment. And that's where Carlos Miguel Agende, also known as Carl M. Allen, steps in, who was a mysterious figure who had claimed to have witnessed the bizarre events of the Philadelphia experiment first.

And Agende reached out to Jessup with a series of letters, like I mentioned earlier, detailing this account of the experiment. He described how the USS Eldridge was rendered invisible, teleported, suggested connections to ET technology, and Jessup's interest was peaked, but the story was still far, teleported, suggested connections to ET technology, and Jessup's interest was peaked, but the story was still far, far, far from the public eye. And that's when the plot thickened in 1957 when the O&R received a strange package. It was a copy of Jessup's book, but this wasn't just a normal edition of the book. The book had been extensively annotated by an unknown individual or individuals.

These annotations weren't mere musings, but they were detailed discussions on the Philadelphia experiment linking it to alien tech and expanding on the ideas Jessup had explored in his book that were simply referring to UFOs. This annotated volume, like I said, became known as the Varo edition, named after the Varo manufacturing company that later printed copies of this text, and was a bizarre amalgam of Jessup's original work and these mysterious external insights. The A1R's involvement was primarily due to their interest in these annotations, which were unusual in their depth and scope. The annotations discussed not only the Philadelphia experiment

in detail, but also a range of esoteric topics, including anti-gravity and UFOs. So the O&R intrigued by this unsolicited and cryptic manuscript dropped at the doorstep, decided to contact the author of the book, Jessup. And this contact between the O&R and Jessup lent an air of legitimacy at least at first to the at least official interest in this stuff and added that kind of legitimacy to the

Philadelphia experiment. And it suggested that perhaps there was more to this tale than mere conspiracy theory and science fiction. Maybe there's something at the root of this that's true. The O and R's role in this narrative, while largely that of a curious observer, helped cement the Philadelphia experiment in the annals of paranormal and unexplained phenomenon. Thus, the O&R, through its incidental connection to Jessup and the enigmatic annotated edition of his book, became part of the story as a whole. The thing is, when Jessup was called in to talk about, talk with the O-N-R about his book,

he was handed the book that was annotated by these mysterious people. And Jessup immediately upon getting, grabbing the book and seeing it, recognized the handwriting of the book, because he had been getting letters from Carlos M. A Yende for years. And it was the exact same handwriting. letters from Carlos M. Ayende for years. Oh my gosh. And it was the exact same handwriting. This guy is like the, the pagemaster of this. Yeah, so it's all a Yende. Ayende has been like sending letters off to.

This is baby. Yeah. Yeah, and just a big no idea. And this, so you know, and these notes work originally kind of referred to as anotations by Mr. A, Mr. B and Jimmy, GEMI, but he realized, because the thing is with Carlos, if you look at his handwriting and you can go look at it, the man capitalizes randomly, he miss spells a lot of things. It's really hard to tell if this is one person or if it could be multiple people. But the thing is, Jessup recognized it instantly and realized that these notations were from

from a Yende. However, hoping to push the process of having the government investigate UFOs on a actual real scale, he never originally admitted to him that he knew where those annotations came from and Jessup himself went along with the lie for a bit that he didn't know who these annotations were from. So then let's talk a little bit about

what happened in terms of having Carlos or Carl come forward and Reveal who he actually is because like I said The book with annotation started getting printed known as the borrow edition by the manufacturing group borrow and It was all like you know just copied of his annotations just and on the book and somebody was making money and of his annotations just on the book and somebody was making money. And Carlos a Yende wasn't making any of it because he hadn't come forward to claim that it was him who wrote it. And when the book started selling and doing well and making like, you know, making it into like UFO meetings and stuff, the dude was like, I need to make this money. So he came forward, was like, I wrote it. It's not, you know, it's not a mysterious man.

It's me. I'm Carl Allen, baby. Not Carlos M. A Yende. And also it wasn't anonymous. I did it. But shortly after he admitted to doing it, he saw how quick the books were popping off because people believed them.

So he quickly retracted, who's like, Oh, hey, hey, hey. Be like, just kidding. I didn't do the annotations. It's all real. It's like, go buy the books. I just wanted credit. It's not me.

Well, I imagine making a deal in the back end with the book people to get paid for it. All while Jessup himself started struggling heavily. He wasn't making a lot of money. It wasn't like, and he was, in 1959 basically, only two years after this book was released, he ended up killing him, and Jessup killed himself. He locked himself in a car, sealed the windows,

fed carbon monoxide into his window, and he committed suicide. And the reason, so that's taking on surface level, I just like, at surface value, people immediately tied that to the Philadelphia experiment and leaking all these things and the government, quote, unquote, suicide a Jessup. And it became another like, spoke in the wheel

that supported the Philadelphia experiment as an actual thing. When in reality, Jessup, the astronomer and early UFO researcher had other factors that might have been, that might have played into his dish. This just never would have happened if there was internet basically. Yeah, you know, maybe he was facing significant professional challenges because he was such a UFO guy. And despite his early promises in astronomer, he was such a UFO guy and despite his early

promises in astronomer, he struggled to gain academic recognition and was not affiliated with any major institution. His focus on UFOs was consider fringe science in marginalized him in the scientific community. Pretty heavily. And he faced financial difficulties because of that which added to his stress. And He also became increasingly disillusioned with the UFO community, especially after learning this mysterious annotations were from somebody he knew. He was frustrated by what he saw as a lack of serious scientific inquiry, which is why he went along with the lie, hoping that they would put money into it if they believed that these people writing annotations were maybe like secret people with information.

But he also had just personal issues in his life, which may have contributed to his distress. He had gone through a divorce. There were reports, many reports of him experiencing depression. It wasn't like a sudden thing. Like the conspiracy people would like to have you believe. It was very much, you know, it was very depressed individual

and it just kind of sucks at that happened that way. Regardless much, you know, it was very depressed individual and it just kind of sucks at that happened that way. Regardless though, his book, the, on all this stuff, invariably we're now tied to the Philadelphia experiment. So let's talk now about an eyewitness account, just wanting this. So let's talk about the guest eyewitness account of this that we have. And so just before we do this, before we jump into eyewitness account, what you've just said is that all of the stuff from the 50s is bullshit. That's only if you have a closed third. It's a fear. Yeah. If your third eye is glue-shimmer.

I just want to be, I just want to be, you gotta be like Dr. Strange, opening his timestone, you gotta be like Dr. Strange and you're saying he's time stone, but for your third time. A lot of what was the truth was actually just, dude, make it up. Maybe because this eyewitness isn't Carl Allen. This is the facts, maybe. This is the different eyewitness.

Okay, okay. I'm here for this. I want this, the stuff I'm here for. Now let's talk about who this guy is. So it's important to note that this ended up being a little bit later than 1957. While the factors mentioned above provide some context to like what happened

with Jesse, with Jessup, by the way, like his state of mind and time and death, I just wanna make sure you understand. The man was having troubles. He wasn't fucking kill himself because of the Philadelphia experiment jumped out there. So now we're going to fast forward. From 1957 to the 1980s, boys, where now in the 80s, things are great. The economy feels good, even though it's on a downward trajectory, that would have reached

its actual manifestation in the late 90s. Everybody's having a great time. It's a good time in the 80s. And so comes a man by the name of Al Bieleck, Bieleck, rather, so they're Bieleck. Why does that sound familiar to me? Listen to the story, maybe it'll ring a bell, maybe it'll ring a bell. All right.

Long after the Philadelphia experiment supposedly had taken place in 1943. Long after the book that talked about UFOs and had annotations about the Philadelphia experiment in 1957. Now, in the 1980s, a man by the name of Al Bilek stepped into the limelight to claim his slice of fame. It came forward with an astonishing claim. Not only had he personally been involved in scene in the Philadelphia experiment, but he also had an incredibly story that linked it to other secretive government projects and first-hand account of time travel. My man just went for it. He went.

He went just through the football as hard and as far as he could. God bless. I mean, yeah, that's really cool. This guy was like, you know what? This is important, I need to talk about this. Now you might be wondering, how come you only came through in the 1980s? Well, as I said earlier,

the movie played a pretty big role in this, right? He was watching the 1984 film, The Philadelphia Experiment, in the movie, in a bizarre way, unlocked forgotten memories in our bylux mind as he was watching the movie he had revelation after revelation memory after memory of the hell that he went through serving aboard the USS eldritch eldritch and the horrifying things that happened to him from it happening. It stirred his memory boys because the movie...

It did like woke him up? Yeah, the movie like woke him up really. It was like, oh shit, you remember. He was like, wait, I saw that. That actually happened to me. Yes, yes. And his brother. All right.

All right. His brother had the worst outcome, we'll talk about it. So according to Byleth, his involvement in the Philadelphia Experiment, also known as Project Rainbow, was as a crew member of the USS Eldridge. He claimed that the objective of the project was to render the ship invisible to radar using technology derived from the theoretical work of Nikola Tesla and others. Now, it's important to know Byleth was lucky enough to be sat down by Einstein himself and be taught personally his theories and why he believed them to be real and true.

Isn't that pretty cool? I'm here for it. He got to sit down and have lunch with Einstein multiple times and was taught all of Einstein's stuff. And then he saw that movie and he was like, I remember that, Alfred. Oh yeah, I had lunch with Einstein. That's the last. He also met Nikola Tesla and before he died and Von Newman. Whoa. Violet didn't just describe the experiments

in technical terms, he narrated a story that was nothing short of insane science fiction. He alleged that during the experiment, something went dramatically wrong and instead of simple radar invisibility, the USS Eldridge supposedly achieved physical invisibility, phasing in and out of existence itself. This violet claim resulted in catastrophic consequences for the crew with some of the men becoming fused to ship structures, you know, I gotta have stuff we've already heard of.

Violet story then takes an even more fantastical turn as he links the Philadelphia experiment to another alleged secret project by the government known as the Montauk Project. Do you know the Montauk Project? I know that it has to do with Nikola Tesla. And that it was like. The Montauk Project is what stranger things is based on.

Yeah, okay, but it does the underground. I know the tower. I know there's like a tower that was like on top of a building. Or might be something. We will do a Montock project episode. I cannot. So what's the what's the one with the hats and the cats? And they kept trying to like,

the cat and that memory, like, he kept trying to like Yeah teleport the hats. Yeah and and and uh and uh and uh Nikola Tesla was like I know what you're doing it. I'm here for it. Please continue. Please. I see it in your eyes. This is a goof This is a good goof. Don don't let me down to his glamour. You're changing. Yeah. All right. That's all he got. That is moving fans out there.

No spoilers. I'm not gonna spoil that. Do you have a movie that is, Methis? No. It's the prestige. I've never seen so. No. You've never seen the per-god.

I want to watch the prestige with you. Of all the movies that you're surprised I've been seeing the prestigious one. Yes. Wait till you see it. Let's hang on watch it That's a good one. I mean yeah, I'm down all the when I visit next time. We'll watch something according to Bylic when the USS Eldridge reappeared after vanishing from the bright blue light And but not in Norfolk Virginia somewhere in somewhere in between. He and his brother and Duncan Cameron immediately jumped off the ship

before it vanished again and teleported to, we assume, Virginia and then back to Philadelphia, like originally. Except he wasn't in 1943 any longer. Not only had the ship teleported, Not only had the ship teleported, it had time hopped, and now they were in the year 1983. But not 1983 as we know it. A branched timeline of sorts, if we use MCU terminology here, and it was a darker timeline where some sort of catastrophic event had happened. San Francisco was leveled and TVs were flat.

I'm sorry, what? TVs were flat. What do you mean TVs were flat? He woke up in a hospital at one point and TVs, he saw that TVs were flat. Like he woke up to flat screen televisions? Yep, in 1983. No.

So San Francisco was destroyed, but we got flat screen televisions like two decades earlier? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yep, yeah, so he just yeah, exactly. Yeah. So the butterfly thing was destroyed. Yeah. Cool.

So he predicted flat screen TVs. Maybe he did go to the future. Evidence. Evidence TVs are flat, man. I mean, TVs are flat. That's crazy. That's how you know he was in the future. Come on. You're not.

TVs are flat, bro. But he wasn't going to be stuck here forever, boys. Al would find a way out. Look at that. Look how long was he stuck there? Well, okay. Are you really stuck when TV's are flat? I mean, true, right?

Are you in a good place? So, here's the thing. Duncan and Al both jumped off, member brothers. They suffered different issues. They both were lost their lock in time, their place in the time stream. And for Bialick that meant kind of feeling sick, he really wasn't able to,

like it was disoriented and he eventually passed out and found his way. And when he woke up, he was in a hospital, which is when he realized he was in like a wasted city scape and you know, TVs were flat. His brother on the other hand... So he went from the east coast to the west coast as well? Yeah, teleported. Like teleported, time jumped, everything.

Okay. You know what happened to his brother Duncan? He didn't have such like like light side effects. He had time displacement to the point of every hour was a full year of aging for him and he died. And then he woke up and it had only been one day. He lived a whole life. But don't worry because the Montauk project was also happening here as well. And they met up and went met up with Al Baelic and brought him in. He began to work with the Montauk Project

to get him back to his appropriate time. But the Montauk Project also was gonna fix the error of his brother's dying. See, the Montauk Project took a couple of people that were working on the project and sent them back in time to 1950 where their job was to find their father and tell them to, he needs to have another child.

Because he already had his two kids, his son, and his brother Duncan, and he need to have another child. They convinced him to do so. He banged out another child and the Montalk project banged out another child. Yep, and took the soul of his dead brother and placed the soul of his dead brother in the now newborn child. That's just like the same brother. Duncan gets to have a life through a different baby,

but remember, it's kind of like a different timeline and it's like a solid, this is all credibility for me. I don't know, I don't know what they use. I don't know what kind of technology they need to super-solivety. This is like a lifetime time travel movie plot. I don't know why they just go back in time

and like push Duncan off the ship before the ship teleported the first time, but they went back and convinced me that. My expectations, Mathis, were, we were about to hear about like a guy who was in the military and he was on the ship when it all went down and like people around him were gonna like, you see crazy stuff and like time and space has come before him and he's like, I don't know what's going on, I had to fight and struggle to come back whole. It was a crazy shit I've ever seen. And what you gave us was land of the lost.

Like some dude, it's like, I want the town of the world. I want the sole of my brother. It's like 11, 22, 63. Well, there are other accounts that what happened to his brother wasn't that he aged every hour and died. Instead, Duncan got lost in time and kept time slipping like Loki in season two.

He just kept slipping to different parts of time and they had to like time hunt him and find him and take him and pull him out of time and put him back in his right full time in 1957. I mean, 1943. So you choose, which one, which one do you want? You get the pick, which one are your reality? They both suck.

Here's the problem, they both suck, they're both. I wish you could see this show, because you, so you could see the look of like sheer confusion that just washed across me and Jesse, like in a shockwave, in two parts of town at the same time. Like all I wanted was the cool version of this where it's like the movie version where a dude is, we're seeing all the crazy stuff happen and he's like, he made it out and he's fine, but like, oh my God, you should have seen what was going on. That's what I wanted and said you were like yes

He's still in game today Yeah The insane made up version is not insane to make up the people who went back and put the soul back in they were called time engineers Okay, all right, that's a real role. So cool. Eventually, by liquid with the assistance of Project Montauk would make his way back to his appropriate time on the original timeline because all good vacations have to come to again, I guess. And he reenters the 20th century, memory wiped wiped ready to live a normal and happy life Until the faithful evening where he viewed the 1984 film the Philadelphia Project and it all came back

It all came back. You can't permanently wipe a man's memory. It'll come back Have we ever had an episode about like how we really need to deal with the mental health issues of this country I'm like we need to just be better as a people. Americans. You mean we're like a, like a, like a global disgrace kind of fine? Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of like, we really let these people down kind of.

The obvious villains of reality, so should I mount? I feel like just something. And it's almost every episode just reminds me a little bit more. I'm like, you know, I feel like we let these people down in some way, but I'm like, yeah. Sure, time travel. Education. Yeah.

Right? I mean, if we're able to teleport a ship, we're just like, His brother's soul was putting another body that non-identical twin, just another body that many years later happened to look like the exact same brother. Exactly like him. Exactly. Like that's how genetics works. Exactly like him. It's a plug-in play scenario like Legos. Yeah, yeah. It's a time is like Legos. Doesn't

really matter as long as they say. It would have made more sense if he was like I went to the future and then and and I took my dead brother in Cologne, Dave, or put him in one of those like what is the crazy people on the internet talk about med beds? One of those, we should do an episode of med beds, by the way. That's loony stuff. Like put him in one of the sarcophagus's from Stargate. And he was fine. They had one of those in the future.

Like couldn't he could have said that? Never would be like, yeah, all right. That makes way more sense than we extracted his soul. And then went to the past Convince my dad to bang out another kid when she banged out quick snap and then that kid who we grew up with because of the timeline They would have grown up with him. Yep, but then they replaced the kids So that is a brother they knew that they got rid of to then bring the other brother back the life That's insane.

But let me say this, would somebody who's lying come up with the lies so crazy when they could come up with something so simple as a med bed? To Shay. To Shay. Honestly, you can't really go back on that. According to Bileck, he was involved with multiple future experiments in the future of 1983. None of which make any sense.

But eventually through those experiments, they were able to return him back to 1943, where he was taken from and given back to his life through government manipulation. That's how his memory was wiped, he says. It was government manipulation to repress said memories. The only other, like quote-unquote,

first-hand witness we have is a man who actually did serve on the USS Eldridge. This is what I'm here for. And his first hand event is interesting in that there isn't one. He says that what he said what he if this he goes if any of this is true, they may have been testing new radar cloaking technology on the ship in some fashion, but beyond that, he did not confirm

any of the bizarre weird shit that happened. Only that, they may be were testing some sort of experimental radar cloaking device on the ship that he wasn't fully aware of. And that's the story of the Philadelphia experiment. That's it. That's where it ends. That's the most, that's literally all of it.

That's the thing that all there is on this. And could you believe there's a huge number of people out there who still think this is true? Why? It's crazy because it's like, when are you guys going to do the Philadelphia experiment? When are we going to finally find out? And that's clearly somebody who's read like a when are you guys gonna do the Philadelphia experiment? When are we gonna finally find out? And that's clearly somebody who's read like a one sentence synopsis of the Philadelphia experiment

because the moment you look at, I've tried to do this episode several times myself. It's impossible. Yeah, it's just impossible. I good on you for finding all this shit because damn, this did not happen. Now, it took, and I left out a lot, because there's a lot of information that you simply contradicts with one another.

This is my best kind of like put together timeline of the best and like most quote unquote credible things out there that at least come from some person. And you know, we're doing our diligence. We're like, we're like paying homage to this legend. We're doing the service of actually investigating it and finding after doing that, that it's more myth than truth, right? So what's wrong with that? I want to check out that old ass book, the case of the UFO, even with the, it's interesting to look at the annotations that were in there anyway, because it's just fascinating what he was writing down. But that's it. The Philadelphia experiment is done. We don't ever have to come back. There's nothing else to come back to.

It was a fun time. It's a wild little story that has- I just need to add this because I had- I had to- I was curious what you can add because I'm curious what I cut. Um, well, so I wanted to look up an idea of just- So what do people think? Because you were saying, you know, like this is- it was hard to find information on it was hard to do

Right in article about I was like there's got to be a solid wiki the wiki is not solid. No, no the wiki is not solid at all It sucks But it does link to a 1980 article from fate I from Fate. I assume Fate magazine in 1980. Yeah, I imagine. And in it, it literally says, and I just wanted to just read this last bit because it is so good. Because it goes to what you guys are saying. Various book writers who have tried to get more information on Carl Allen found his response is elusive or they couldn't find him at all.

One reporter from Allen's hometown of New Kensington, Pennsylvania interviewed his family and was handed a pile of documents and books all scribbled with Allen's annotations. They described Allen as a fantastic mind but also a drifter and master leg puller. So I don't want to be referred to as a drifter or and master leg puller. So I'd like to want to be referred to as a drifter or a master leg puller. I mean, it depends on one thing. No. Even the people doing book research on this,

we're just like, there's nothing here. No, which says a lot about this is like, if anything, this goes to like American folk willing to believe and completely overlook, because it just sounds cool. It sounds like Johnny Apple seed vibes. It's like, you know, fucking babe, the big blue ox shit. It's not, there's nothing like what we're saying about just being like, who took a picture of this? Like, how come nobody spoke about this? The ship was glowing and nobody took a picture? That alone is enough. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yep. I agreed. It's fascinating. And like you

said, yeah, the minute you start to try dig deeper, it just becomes a sea of messy fucking mean? Yeah. Yep, I agreed. It's fascinating. And like you said, yeah, the minute you start to try to dig deeper, it just becomes a sea of messy fucking nonsense. Yeah. It's so hard to just trace a timeline. Where is that? It's like a story is on a surface level very cool. Like honest, that sounds like, oh, I want to hear what's going on in the ship.

Like it makes for a good story and a horror story as well, which people love. So you combine it all together and it's like sci-fi and weird and who knows, it is the exact same vibe as except, that's terrifying. It's the exact same vibe is watching like, any sort of like sci-fi space event, horizony style movie where you're just like,

what the hell am I watching? That's what I imagine that story is and the minute you dig beneath the surface you're like oh there's Nothing exciting here. It's all rather depressing that people really buy into this existing because it really does it No, it doesn't I mean the guy came forward and said it was me who did it and then retracted it as quickly as you fucking could Because he was like, oh, money. This is one of the few situations where you can actually see somebody who was like, money, I'll change my what I'm doing specifically because they're selling books with my shit in it. Um, yeah, it's wild. So I'm glad it was done. I'm a super fun topic.

It's been one of them on the on the radar for a while. Knock that sucker out. Uh, and that's it for the episode. So thank you guys so much for joining us this week. We'll be back next week with a brand new one, but we're going to go off to go do a mini-sode for patreon.com. Slash the Luminati pod video version of the $20 t or audio version of the 50. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, and I want to leave you a little tidbit. We might be doing a little teaser for some merch. A new Mothman run might be in the works for the plush. Is this the teaser now? Mothman. Mothman. There'll be some changes to him, his design. We might see in the works for the plush. Is this the teaser of Hoffman? Of Hoffman. There'll be some changes to him, his design.

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