Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 235 - The Dulce Facility Part 1

Episode Date: January 21, 2024

This week it's THE DULCE FACILITY. Is it housing NHI from across the universe? Or just a small town that needs some tourism. Let's find out! MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD HelloFresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chillfree CODE: chillfree Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

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we're everywhere all at once somebody made a post It was on the subreddit that said, I want somebody to donate $10,000 so that for a whole month, Jesse has to yes and me no matter what it is I'm talking about, no matter how crazy it is. And I'm like, do I need to start to go. All right, here we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesse, this whole episode is going to be a good test to see how long you can hold on.

Here's a test right now. Mathis, what do you think of the jellyfish alien? Oh, I definitely think it's something anomalous. Having released the second video that I shared with you guys on the text messages that we're on, where you see it go further away, it certainly seems like a 3D object and is absolutely something anomalous. And then today, the DOD released a statement that is so, it's basically a mirror image of the statement they released in 2017 when those UAP videos released where it's, they're not denying it. They're like, we don't like when, no, they were just like, we don't like. when things leak and we cannot confirm that this is a leak, but the same exact

like, you know, political talk that they have to probably do because of who they are. Sure. What do you think, Jesse? Yeah, I mean, I think the footage is incredible. The more we see is so interesting. I have absolutely no questions or concerns

about the fact that there is a lot of other footage they keep talking about, but they never show us. In fact, I'm fine with not ever seeing it. Like, seeing it go in the water, who needs to see that? I have an imagination. That's what it's for. It basically already has. Yeah.

You know, if we're, we'll call that a foundation. We can work on it. They just rough out some edges. That was the free version. That was the free version. That was your free day.

When you open your crack. I'm not going to fully buy it unless you pay in. Hey, by the way, speaking of our lovely audience, shout out to everyone over on Reddit because, uh, over on the subreddit for this lovely show.

A resounding response. Yeah. I mean, to a, lot of stuff we've been doing lately, and I want to give a huge shout out to everyone who, a few episodes back, we were talking about light and the, uh, the way that you could like cloak something and how that would be possible and modern day cloaking and things like that. And I just want to give a shout out to Kow, boy, I hope I got these names right.

Kowl and R2 underscore R2 and the god, oh epic and, uh, lubrication underscore theory. And to, uh, your compass rose on YouTube. who made an 18 minute video deep diving this. That was an incredible video. Yeah. When the video was posted, I'm like, wait, is this, wait, this is upon to us? This is for us?

Oh, my God. I felt so special. I was like, oh, hell yeah, let's go. I was very impressed with that. And so I loved all of that. And someone sent us a video to, I think it was the Goddo Epic sent us a video, Kyle Hill and Kyle Hill did a thing about it.

And really, at the end of the day, the thing that I learned, I learned two things. The first thing is one, that the way everyone was talking about it, it literally is that scene in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, I think, yeah, Rogue Nation where Simon Pegg and Tom Cruise are trying to go down the hallway, and there's a dude at the end of the hallway. And so they put up a screen that shows the light behind them.

So the dude looking at it doesn't see them approaching as they're moving down the hallway. And they keep tricking him to move around the room. And they got these cameras that like change the light and stuff. That's pretty much what they're all talking about. So if you want to see an example of it and like the best case. scenario of what it looks like in a movie, that's what everyone's talking about when they're talking about cloaking. Is it really just like altering the light for our perception kind of vibe? And would you be able to see out? Maybe not. Yeah. Like it's essentially you're not making

invisible. You're just making the light go around the object, which is super interesting. So you won't, but if you're inside, but if you're inside, there's no light reaching you either, right? So you can't see either. Right. But in this, in the movie, they had like the screen where you could see through it. Oh, right. But the guy couldn't see back. So I'm like doing the movie version. Yeah. If you want to see it, I'm positive. There's clips of it on YouTube. Just look up Rogue Nation hallway and you'll get that. But then I also want to give a shout out to.

No, it's Ghost Protocol. That's Ghost Protocol. All right. The one where he's going down the hallway and he's, and he's like, It's a ghost. He's like a ghost. That's like a ghost. That's the ghost out to me.

Who has never seen. They got too many of those damn movies. Who's never seen the movie. That's the ghost protocol. He takes his glasses off and he looks right into the camera and he says, activate the ghost protocol. And he holds up a screen. I just want to say for the record,

those movies get better the further they get into the series. I must stress this. The first couple, Mission Impossible is I don't care about. But at a certain point, I think it's Rogue Nation. At a third,

maybe it goes probably one of them at like number four on. They become incredible. I love these movies. I don't even care. I love them. I love, I really love the second and third one very much. I can't wait for the 14th movie,

which is just going to be a documentary about Tom Cruise, like doing something crazy. Like, They're going to just drop the pretense. The most recent one was awesome. The most reason one was so good. That's all I said about that.

I heard they didn't, it did not very well in theaters. And so they're renaming the sequel to not be part two and just going to be calling it something entirely different. I heard a Palm Clementeaf was really good in there. It is very. The whole thing's good. It did great. Ignore everyone.

It's awesome. But more importantly, this is what I want to say about the audience. I, uh, love, love hearing from people who are knowledgeable and have a passion in their field. So everyone who responds to us and they're like, I know something about this.

And they like, just tell it to us. I love you. And I've realized that we have a lot of smart, like, smart people in our audience. I was going to fall. If you didn't say that, I was going to follow up. I was like, our audience is so much smarter than us. And I love that. I was thinking about this.

And I truly firmly believe it's because we don't pander to the stupidest among us. Yeah. Like that is something a lot of podcasts in our space. do? Were they like, yeah, so you read something on Facebook and we totally believe that too? Yeah. And I love that we have an audience that would call us all. If we start doing an episode or it's like, yeah, so here's a conspiracy that some lady wrote on Facebook about this topic that I guarantee they destroy us. And I want to thank you for that. So what you're saying is no more episodes with just me, Santel and Alex. What I'm saying is there's a lot of people who want an episode that's just me and

Santel. I would love to just be quiet. I want to be Dennis Miller in the, Dennis Leary in the ref. I just want to watch. Like, it's all, I would love that.

I would have genuinely had conversations that have been circular that have lasted for like two hours. We tried to explain something like, that just didn't happen to. And he's like, well, according to it. And then he lists off 50 names.

And I'm like, then still didn't happen. Sandel is one of the best guys to talk to for several hours. I agree. It's great. So much fun. I bet our face times are the opposite sides of the coin. Like my face time with Centel versus your face times with Santel are probably the

complete opposite. I guarantee it's the exact same conversation. Yeah, yeah. Except one of us is just kind of goofing on the other. Yeah. Is that true? Honestly, the mention of Santel and the jellyfish UAP, which we're going to talk about, I think, way more in the Minnesota again, because more things have happened. It's fascinating still because even without the jellyfish UAP, the closed door, Skiff hearing happened and Grush named names finally. Like he called and said Lockheed Martin has stuff. These are the names of the people to reach out to. Like their actual like companies that he's actually calling out by name.

So they have that now. We'll see what happens. I did see. The problem with this is I think it's really interesting is the minute that that came out, a lot of other things came out. And it all could just be. conspiracy stuff, but I saw this guy post this giant thing that was like, when you think about it this way,

it explains why we spend so much money paying these companies for products that are way less expensive than what we're paying for. It's because we're buying them off for the secrets. I was like, all right, I don't believe that, but also that's really good conspiracy theorying. Like that, it's like, oh, good job. Yeah, it has a tang of retro to it. Yeah, yeah.

There's a, yeah, yeah, when it's confusing, when conspiracy theories used to be fun and not scary. Well, depends on what you ask. Regardless, like, even if it's, well,

fair, regardless of how it all ends up going, I think the good thing is they can't, even if it ends up being nothing, they can now, they have now people names, they can call in and have like, you know,

test hearings on or with and like actually ask questions to some of these people. But the whole other, we'll talk about that in the minisote today. The reason that is all a nice segue to today's main topic is because a lot of what we've covered all culminates in this particular topic. We're talking different alien races and the nonsense of that kind of thing. The Philadelphia experiment even pours into this tied to actual evidence and actual people within the government who have come into contact with UAPs and the air, fighter pilots and the like all culminates in this chaotic way with the Dulce facility, which is

something that I've been toying with and talking about for years. And I finally feel like we've been prepped enough. Dulce facility. Are we sure he's called? New Mexico. No, Dulce, Dulce, D-U-L-C-E? I don't know. It just sounds funny.

Am I wrong? I'm saying it like that. I thought that's how it was pronounced. I have no idea. Maybe it might be Dulce, New Mexico. Is it J-U-L-C-E? D-U-L-C-E. Dulse. Is it Dallas?

D'L-S-A-N-Mexico. Dulce. Dulce. Jesse's response to what is this when I asked him off-camera, kind of, I think, explains how much. you know about it. I know nothing. But Alex, who's a little bit more versed in the world of weird, weird conspiracies that might actually have a fabric of truth in them. What do you know about this? I know that it's a base. I know that it's like some people say, oh, like, this is like the real

Area 51. Like Area 51 is like Area 51 for the tourists and whatever to drive up to. And Dolce Bay, Dulce base is the real deal. I can confirm and it's pronounced Dulce. Dole say. Dole say. Okay. Cool. There we go. And it's underground. And it's underground. And it's It is underground, multi-layered, multi-leveled underground. Big like, yeah, like the Denver Airport level superstructure down there, according to... Yeah. I know that there is a real base, but I don't know if it's... The reason that they say it's underground is because I believe that the base that is above ground

does not look sufficient to be the base that they say that it is. Yeah, and you are correct. You kind of have a general idea, I think, of what this is. Also, just really quickly, to give you guys some sort of, like, clarification on where this is in the world, It is in New Mexico, but it is almost Colorado. It is the very north of New Mexico in what is both the Carson National Forest is on its east. And to it south and west is the Apache Nation Reservation. And this is a little tiny carved out area.

And there is nothing there. Actually, there's one Ace hardware. So that's pretty cool. I was actually, yeah, I'm going to talk a little bit about, D'Lsay, in that exact thing. Like, this is not a place you would be able to, like, pin on your map if you were to, like, be challenged to and find, like, if you know where this is, unless you maybe know of the DLte facility. But the DLte facility, or it's just a tiny little town, a blip on the radar compared to, like, a bustling metropolis that, like, Jesse said, is snuggled up close to the Colorado border and the Yikaria, Jikaria, I think is how you say, Apache Reservoir. this land obviously is like rich in Native American culture and history and, uh, you know, very much a, a place full of culture.

Uh, so this little kind of town in the middle of nowhere to have this huge facility, it kind of feeds into that conspiracy narrative really well. This little no nothing count nobody would think of, uh, has this stuff. I mean, just like all around it are reservations. Yeah. There's a Ute and there's a Navajo and there's a, wow, there's so much around them. and then this, this place, it would be an interesting place to hide

a government facility, but I would imagine if I was any of the native tribes or I'd be like, get the hell out of here. If I'm being honest, it's kind of cliche. Like, let's have, like, kind of a bullshit place to hide a fucking government facility, to be honest. A little trite. But is it cliche now because we're in the year 2024?

Or was it was a cliche back in the 1940s and 50s when it was built? I mean, okay, let's put it this way. If you're in the continental United States and you're like, where should I hide this? I would be like in some fucking busted-ass desert. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I don't know. You know what I mean? Even knowing that it might be kind of cliche too, I mean, finding something in a desert is fucking hard. Yeah. The Dulce facility itself, you know, just to give you an idea of what we're about to kind of dive into here. Think of Dulce as almost like a VIP lounge of the alien conspiracy world.

Like we're talking about not just a base, but a multi-level subterranean complex where aliens and government bigwigs are believed to just mingle, conduct experiments. So instead of New York, like in Men and Black, it's just a northern New Mexico. Yes. For aliens only underground. Mingle is in like, you open the door and it's like, hi, we got coffee. Mathis, we got your Dunkin.

A judecamba, Kay. Refrigerated Duncan, Mathis. Yeah, this is like, even like, there is like diplomatic like happenings between different species of alien in this place supposedly. you know, Area 51, like Alex said, is like the, oh, yeah, aliens over here when the reality of where all the aliens are way out here living in the DOLTA facility underground. And this thing really got big in the conspiracy theory world, thanks to a man by the name of Paul Benowitz, specifically, who really was just kind of like a moulder, if you want to think of it, like a real UFO conspiracy guy, alongside a man by the name of Thomas Costello, who was the supposed. Whistleblower, and we say supposed it, because we are unable to pinpoint if he truly is from, you know, the government in the past or not.

And if it whistles around, if nobody, if nobody's around to hear the whistle blow, did it really blow? You know? No, it blows all right. Patreon.com slash shlimanani pie. Theories for this base range all over the place. And we'll talk about different, different theories for Dulce specifically. They range from housing interstellar peace talks

among different species of aliens to being the site of Dubies genetic experiments involving crossbreeding both humans and whatever alien DNA might be being used in the experiments presently and yes, the grays are certainly one of them that supposedly reside there. So for the next two episodes,

we're going to dive deep into the Dulce facility. Today, we're just going to lay a groundwork, what this place looks like, what resides there, some of the biggest rumors, and some of the bigger names involved in it. And then next week we're going to deep dive into some of the sources where the mix of fact and fiction make this a messy conspiracy theory. With a little chunky boy here.

Yeah, a little bit of a chunky boy. Well, it's about as chaotic as I would say Philadelphia experiment was to put together the sources that are out there, some of them are much more trustworthy than anything the Philadelphia experiment was able to present. And like I said, the Philadelphia experiment was able to present. the Philadelphia experiment oddly has a slight little like string tied to the story that kind of attaches it in a small, small way. One sailor appeared thousands of miles away in a base in New Mexico.

He time traveled somehow to get there. Yeah. So like I said, our two main sources for this are a man by the name of Bill Moore, who is a self-identified UFOologist. The man is an author and former UFO researcher, prominent mostly in the seven, he co-authored a couple of books with Charles Burlitz, including the Roswell Institute. Basically, he was interested in UFOs ever since he was a kid. He attended Thiel College out in Pennsylvania and graduated in 1965. And he went to Arizona State and became a section director

of Mufant, which we've talked about a couple of times out here. Mufon, the mutual UFO network, one of the bigger civilian networks out there trying to do something with the UFO world. he also wrote the Philadelphia Experiment Project Invisibility in 1979 about the alleged naval military experiment popularly known as the Philadelphia experiment with the USS Eldridge that we covered two weeks ago now. So like I said, that little string is tied. More also in 1987, along with Ufologist Jamie Shendera and our boy Stanton Freeman, he was a big part in circulating the MJ12 documents

that became a huge part of UFO lore that still today is debated if parts of them are actually real, if it's a whole thing is fake, because it's hard to tell with papers like that. So this man really did have his fingers in a lot of different UFO pies over the course of decades. And then Paul Benowitz is a bit more of a detailed man who has a bit more of a trackable history

He was a businessman, a UFO investigator, and according to multiple sources, he was the target of a government disinformation campaign that ultimately led to his psychiatric hospitalization. And you might read that and think that and go, that's got to be a conspiracy. Except FOIA requested documents actually back that up. In particular, the document, and I'm going to go ahead and link it to you, it's called Will the Real Scott Jones please stand up. which is over 100 pages long, which really isn't focused on him in particular, but it's, it's there. I want to go ahead and trying to leak it here. So the cia.org is where we're at.

Yep, CIA.gov. This is a FOIA requested document that came out in 2003 that's really focused on a man by the name of Cecil B. Scott Jones, who is a huge figure within the UFO world. And they're really detailed breakdown on him. And through that, if you read this whole thing, which I, goddamn did. There's a lot of interesting things that they're talked about, including Scott's particular encounter with a UFO while he was piloting a fighter jet that talks about a disc that simply appeared overhead and followed him silently before zipping off. Who made this?

You can look at the top left. Part of it is censored. R.J. Durant and then some other names that were censored off of it. All right. At the bottom it says February 20th, 1992, Robert J. Durrant. gives an address, which probably isn't wise. And the phone number, so that's the whole thing. Maybe he doesn't live there anymore. Yeah, maybe he doesn't have the phone number anymore. Someone does, though. That's probably.

Maybe that's his office. Maybe that's his office, you know? What's interesting is, if you look at all of his references, there are three pages of it. One of them is Jacques Valet. The book specifically, Revelations, Alien Contact, and Human Deception, as one of his references for this. He read a lot of stuff. And some of the things he talks about.

is fascinating. I would highly recommend reading it if anybody's interested in this stuff. But through this paper, we do learn that Paul Benowitz was, in fact, fed forcibly lots of misinformation to make him paranoid. And it worked. The man had a psychotic break, believing his wife was in control of the different alien species. He barricaded himself in a room against her and wouldn't speak to her. He was eventually hospitalized and died hospitalized from the mental break. But before all that happened, during World War II, he was a radio electronics engineer for the Coast Guard. He worked as an engineer for San Francisco CBS station, KPI, and KPHO in Tucson, Arizona. On February 25th of 1949, he got married.

We know that he moved to New Mexico and started working for Galton Industries with doing sales, and he later began his own industrial sales company, and in 1966, he acquired the rights to a humidity sensor from Sandia National Laboratories. He then founded Thunder Scientific, a small family business with his wife and continued from there in the 80s and he was profiled in the Albuquerque Tribune about his company. He kind of kind of became a bigger name in that in his town. And he did about a million dollars in sales. So he was very successful. He did really well with the small company. He had 30 people under his employ. And then later on in his life, he became a member of Arizona's aerial phenomenon research organization or APRO, which was another like Mufon,

another civilian UFO investigation group. And then by the mid-sendombed, 70s, cattle mutilations had become so associated with UFOs that we were looking at in 1979, U.S. attorney Ari Thompson and U.S. Senator Harrison Schmidt held a public meeting about cattle mutilations. And the meeting was attended to by about 80 people. One of those people was Paul Benowitz. And it's here that some conspiracy starts to kind of bubble up because it's here that Benowitz meets a few individuals that may or may not have actually kind of used him to get information out there or have him see some things out in a town specifically a man by the name of Gabe Valdez who was a highway patrol officer who was directly involved with cattle

mutilations in the state met directly involved he would he would be the one that go out and look at the cattle mutilations across the state yeah i know what you meant i just okay sorry sorry it just sounded like you meant that he cut their assholes oh he was slurping it out himself yeah that's he that's he was doing at night uh what a perfect cover. If you're the cop covering for the schlorping, you might as well be the schlorper. Internal affairs, but literally internal organ affairs. But yeah, Benowitz met him here. Gabe Valdez, the guy, the highway patrol officer at this hearing. And Benowitz later listed July 1979 as the beginning of a quote-unquote personally funded study into UFOs.

He reportedly began filming strange lights and recording unusual radio signals over Curtlin Air Force base. 6th, 1980, a state police in... Where is that? Arizona, because he's out in Arizona and he's part of the aerial phenomenon research organization in Arizona. This is in Arizona. Then on May 6th, 1980, a state policeman in Simmerin, New Mexico received a report from a woman calling herself quote-unquote Mirna Hansen and describing a story that involved interplanetary visitors, bright lights in the sky, and cattle. Police in Simmerin referred to the

the case to their colleague in Dulce, who else but Gabe Valdez, the man that met Benowitz at the hearing. Yeah. Yeah. Who they knew to be the quote unquote cattle mutilation guy. What a sad thing to be. I would not want to be that. You wouldn't, are you kidding? You really wouldn't want to be the cattle mutilation guys?

I would love to like be associated as far as like the role in alien lore, but in reality, that's just a bunch of phone calls about cows without assholes, right? Yeah. That does not like the least cool version of being involved in the UFO world. I'd rather be the guy who talks about, you know, cool ray guns that people find. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, but I mean, alien books.

You know what I'm saying? First-hand knowledge. You got like first-hand experience. Even being kidnapped by aliens, the calls are a lot more interesting than like, went out to my farm and saw all my cows, butts were gone. Hey, man, I saw my cows,

I ain't got no more butts. Someone came and slurped them, dude. Someone has slorped my cow's butts. You can get slorpe, pins over at the Yeti.com slash there you go. So Valdez having met Benowitz turned to Benowitz and contacted

him about all this stuff because he knew that he was a UFO guy interested in again he was at the cattle mutilation hearing and so on May 7th and 1980 Hansen and which is Mirna the woman Mirna Hansen and her son travel to Albuquerque to meet with Benowitz

staying at his home Hansen explained to Benowitz that on May 5th, 1980 while she was driving with her son near Eagle Nest, New Mexico, that both of them had witnessed two large, silent objects, approximately the size of blimps, hovering over a nearby meadow. And at that point, APRO director James Lorenzen suggested contacting someone by the name of Leo Sprinkle, love that name, a psychologist and tenured professor at the University of Wyoming who had been investigating UFO contact reports. Benowitz arranged for Sprinkle to fly to Alibald.

Berkirky and what else was going to happen? It was hypnotization. They were getting hypnotized. They were going to regress for the memories, you know? I hate that. Don't you hate that? Yeah, you know, again, we've talked about it before. Hypnotizing is like, it's such a, it's not the strongest evidence out there to be used when,

not just a guard a UFO, but anything that you use it for. So when Sprinkle arrived, Hansen and Benowitz insisted the sessions be conducted in Benowitz's Lincoln Town car parked inside the family garage with the, Really quickly, I'm sorry to interrupt, really quickly. Yeah, yeah. I want to let everyone know that if you ever want to buy me a gift, just like spend a ton of money on me, for $333 on Amazon, you can get a copy of Leo Sprinkles book,

Soul Samples, Personal Explorations and Reincarnation UFO Experiences. Soul Samples is an incredible, name for a great name. And the fact that it's $333 means it's rare. And I'm just saying, holy shit, this is amazing. Yeah. Yeah, that's about right. Sample. I'm here for it. So Benowitz wanted to have sprinkle, hypnotize Mirna in the back of his vehicle, a Lincoln town car, which was then parked inside a family

garage. And they covered the windows thickly with aluminum foil just to be safe. Then during her first regression of account, she reported recollecting of a cow being sucked into a hovering spaceship by a tractor beam. So, you know, very reliable memories. Pretty classic, like imagery. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Then in further meetings that they had on May 11th and then 12th, she reported recollections of an abduction and being taken to an underground base with the body parts that quote unquote floated within vats. Hansen's recollection would later evolve what would become known as the legend of the Dulcey facility or Dulce base. During the session, she exclaimed,

where's Roswell, New Mexico? Although most members of the public had not yet connected the town to UFO folklore, according to Benowitz, anyway. Hansen reported recalling having been given an implant by the aliens, and on June 3rd, Sprinkle returned to visit Benowitz. He found Benowitz armed with pistol and rifle, concerned that he was vulnerable, that he was vulnerable from attacks from aliens,

and Benowitz expressed a desire to protect himself as family and Hansen. So he'd gone off the cuckoo deep end about the aliens. He had armed himself as well. Benowitz then turned to hypnotist James Harder, abduction researcher and a professor of engineering, and Harder had conducted a hypnotic regression of Travis Walton in 1975, which we will absolutely do the Travis Walton case. We haven't done that yet, right?

No, did we? The thing of fire in the sky is based off of. We've talked about him, but I don't think we've done an episode about him. I couldn't, I'm not, it sounds so. I know we've talked about him more than once. I know. Yeah, we've definitely talked about him many, many times. Either way.

But the episode, that doesn't ring a bell. Yeah, I don't think so either. The two believed regardless that Hansen was under the influence of alien beams and wrote detailed instructions. Beams, yeah. And he wrote detailed instruction how to use aluminum foil to shield a room from the beams before conducting a regression.

Gabriel Valda's son later commented. Hold on. Is the assumption there that the beams will prevent you from having an accurate or real regression? Yeah, they're like mind control, as far as I understand. They're mind controlling. Instead of you seeing the aliens, when you regress, they'll see like, it was doctors and the doctors were poking. Instead of normal eyeballs, your eyeballs, there's spirals

bro. We're talking alien beams, okay? Woo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo. Yeah, there's a lot that that kind of went down. And it's also through him, Benowitz, that we learn of what was known as the Dulce War, a big

fight that happened, which will talk about. Trust me, we will talk about all of that stuff. Just to give you an idea of who are two sources are. So this guy we have a lot about, and it's pretty fucking crazy. The other guy we know a lot less about, but he ended up killing, ended up dying, and had a psychotic break that the CIA did

end up trying to accomplish and they did end up accomplishing it. Are we good on that? Does that all make sense? We've followed our two main sources for this so far because we've got to keep moving on. I'm with you. Yeah. I mean... Okay, good. I mean, yeah. So let's look at the Dulce facility specifically.

It's layout what we know to be within there. And then we could talk a little bit about the alien races that inhabit this place. So first, we've got ourselves the underground levels. You kind of looking at like, imagine like a subterranean in megastructure stretching over multiple levels. Some say seven other rumors say even higher. And each level is rumored to have its own distinct purpose,

ranging from mundane like security, communications, research to the bizarre shit like alien housing and genetic experimentation labs. We're talking like whole levels dedicated to the grays, where the grays hang out and where the grays live. What do you mean they live? Like, do they have like beds? They get their alien housing floor.

They hang out. They're like dorms for the aliens. They get PS5. Literally. Yes. What? They get like PS5 in there? You think the Grays want to play the PS5?

I don't know what they want to do. I don't know what they want to do. I guarantee that the Grays heard about God of War and like, get us that game. But what if the Grays are future versions of us? Don't you think they would prefer like the PS 30? Dude, PS9. Remember that one? There's still, there's still people playing SNS games.

Yeah, who does that? What loser has... Freaking losers? What loser out there just plays SNS games all the time? Stupid idiots playing old games? Yeah. Yeah, what guy bought every old game there is just so that he never had to ever live in the present ever again? Idiot. I don't know how to... It would be like someone buying some sort of device that only plays old games and then hooking it up to some sort of projector screen.

Yeah, telling all his friends. Like, what an idiot. telling all his friends, you know what? I don't need to buy another game ever. Sounds like... I'm happy forever playing my old games. Yeah, that guy would be so dumb. What an idiot would say that.

I'm just... We're just talking about somebody else. Someone. Right, right. Are you saying the aliens are like this particular individual who we do not know? Yes. I got you. No, but you're right.

There are like... Don't you ever feel like an alien in your own world? I mean, more than you know, Alex, more than you know. So dumb. So, you are correct, yes. The aliens have like bunk levels, essentially, dormitories to themselves. As you get deeper, supposedly things just get weirder and weirder. The deeper levels are said to how it's like what you would consider sci-fi shit.

Advanced technologies beyond our own comprehension. We just don't understand how they work. And then collaborations between humans and different alien species. You kind of think of it like a, almost like a UN, like a UN with extraterrestrials. The extraterrestrial UN. Fantastic. According to some of the lore, humans and aliens work side by side in Dulce. You think scientists and lab coats running, like working alongside Greys, trying to figure out

technology and merging our DNA with theirs, sharing technology back and forth. The base is also said to be a sort of melting pot of aliens. We're talking not just grays, but things like reptilians and Pleiadians and more, which we'll, like I said, talk about shortly. Other things that happen supposedly in there. We're looking at genetic experiments, as I say. Those days narratives take darker turns as we move into the world of those genetic experiments that include both humans and animals, talking about splicing DNA, not just between humans and aliens, but humans and animals, like, chimera creatures. Pigmen?

Yeah, like pig dudes and, and, like, birdwomen and fish babies. Hell yeah. You know? Bird women and fish babies? Yeah, dude. That's like, what do you? Don't fish already have babies? No, but like female birds?

Okay, sorry. Fish human babies. Babies, human babies that are fish. Human babies. This fish like property. This space is fucked up. Little to these little fucking cool. Little to these little PlayStation aliens know they're so close to just sheer biological horrors.

If you, do you, I want to be merged with like a tiger. What? Merged? Merge me with a tiger. Yeah. What do you mean merged? Genetically experiment with my DNA, turn me, into a tiger man.

You want to doc the moreau your way into being half tiger? I don't under, I don't get that reference. God, I don't know how to help you, man. I just don't. Some days,

I don't know what to do for you. Just consider me innocent. I'm so innocent. Just know that that's a thing that exists. Consider me innocent, bro. And spans many forms of media. Consider me innocent. Is that what he does?

Does he become a man, does he become a manimal? A manimal. I mean, he doesn't. Okay. But he makes man animals. Yeah, on his island. Okay, cool.

That sounds like a cool dude. What if that movie was the government-backed disclosure to get us used to the idea? If that was the movie they chose to make disclosure in, they made a terrible choice. Is it not? Okay. Well, I guess it's probably pretty spooked. I mean, there's many versions of that story, but the most recent version, I think, with Marlon Brando is insane. Well, I say if this exists.

It's like the weirdest movie that I've ever seen. I've never seen a man act. act weirder on a camera before. Yeah, but you do, I believe, see a man slash man cat sex scene, which is pretty cool. Oh, yeah. It happens. Interesting. I think, yeah, man.

If these aliens exist, manomalize me as a tiger. I'm down. Alex, what would you be if you're going to be a half animal? Like a bear, like a big, like a bear, like something big enough to be like, come, like, I don't need to wear blankets anymore. You know what I mean? Like, I need to. Sure, sure.

We're like probably like an orangutan. Like I think people probably would say I look like a human orangutan. I don't know. I don't want to be one, but I am one. Is that, am I doomed to it? That's not when we asked you. He asked you what would you want to be a big strong bear or an elephant? I want to be a kangaroo.

I want to have bounce powers and strong upper body strength and a tail that I can stand on. That's a good choice. Yeah, I want to be a kangaroo. That would be amazing. And then it's kangaroo bear. Tiger podcast. You know, animal. Animal podcast.

It's just us shrieking into the microphone like we always do, except now we're animals. Other of the genetic stuff, obviously you have your mind control and telepathic experiments. Duh. These kind of techniques are being developed and refined in Dulce, where everything is just trying to be weaponized for our military industrial complex. It's, again, kind of a place where a lot of different conspiracy theories kind of hang out. and make friends with one another. Obviously, Dulce doesn't kind of exist in a vacuum.

It's very much a larger part of the UFO narrative and has kind of seeped its way in. Unlike what I would say, the Philadelphia experiment where most people understand that that's fake, Dulce is still heavily debated within the UFO world as whether it's true, it's fake, parts of it might be true. Maybe it's mostly disinfo.

It's hard to know, but this definitely thrives in the UFO world still. very, very much. And obviously, we're looking at a time, too, where Project Blue Book was actually around and was the Air Force's UFO investigation that was happening. It concluded in 1969 and then kind of left a void

filled by a bunch of private researchers that picked up the mantle, move on and so on. And this is the time of which those civilian UFO networks are actually working. And Dulce is kind of their baby in a way, their first big break after kind of running with what they have. we're looking at something so much more deep

than what Area 51 would be considered overall. We are last things we're talking about here is there are some eyewitnesses that we will talk about. We're not going to talk about the, I want to say, what we would consider factual doubts until next episode. We'll really break down how much of this can be traced to something. And I won't say a word.

Well, you know, yes. This is your yes and a practice. No, no, no. Next episode, I get to poop on everything. This episode is the, Free version, bro. You need the crack. This is the free version.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need the crack. The last thing I'm going to link you is there also something known as the Dulce papers that supposedly leaked. And they're supposedly online, except the only place that I can find them is a good old website that I have visited every so often out of necessity, bibliothecapleadis.com. Oh, no. I'm going to link you the link. Mm-hmm. Uh, we will.

talk about this a little later, maybe even not necessarily this episode. It may be a next episode thing. I'm being skeptical, but the word art says otherwise. This is some professionalism. This is. They got the shadow and the 3D twist. They got, yeah, they, and I think it's

embezzled too. The video at the bottom of the page doesn't even exist. This is good stuff. Long gone. It's just a black square. Yeah. The thing with the Dulce papers is, we don't know if, you know, quote unquote, they're real or not. There's a scan of a paper that says what the Dulce papers are.

Yes. There's some scans below and one is exactly that. But it's not the papers. It's just a tribute. Right. So, uh, go ahead and, you know what, Alex, instead of me reading it, go ahead and read what the Dulce papers supposedly were. In late 1987, I was introduced to the Dulce papers by UFO Research Group Quest

International UK. These documents discuss a joint alien government-run facility in New Mexico, USA. They show and talk about a piece of cameras footage of alien breeding chambers and tanks holding what appears to be gray aliens. These documents surfaced at a time when UFOology was blossoming around the world. Sightings were up, and the emergence of the crop circles had spawned a new generation of interested searchers. During this time, many strange documents were fed to the hungry public domain by strange, cloudy background characters like Bill Moore, Bill Hamilton, and John Lear. Each of these told a confusing, disturbing story of human-alian interaction, underground bases, and a secret government at the heart of a cosmic conspiracy.

In 1987, the document fascinated me and cross-reference with abduction stories and alleged security guards, statements, and tidbits. I felt that the whole story had some element of truth. Nearly 10 years later in 1996, through the internet, I found a piece of film footage that was labeled Area 51. This turned out to show exactly the same scenes as released in the Dulce papers almost 10 years earlier. In clear detail, large, upright tanks can be seen with what really does appear to be gray aliens inside.

That is taken directly off their website. Now, at the bottom of that website, there once was what was supposed to be that video. So we don't really, like, have it. I've tried trying to find it, and I think, I may not, I think I failed. I was never able to find what was supposedly that video. I don't know if it exists. I'm going to go ahead and read just the first paragraph off of the actual piece of paper that is scanned on here called the Dulce papers. To give you an idea of what, you know, this supposedly held.

So the Dulce papers are comprised of 25 black and white photos, a videotape with no dialogue, and a set of papers that included technical information of the allegedly joint of the alleged jointly occupied U.S. alien facility one kilometer beneath the Arculeta Mesa near Dulce, New Mexico. Several persons were given the above package to hold for safekeeping. Most of those given the package were shown what the package contained, but were not technically oriented and knew very little about what they were looking at. The following was written by one of these persons about what the papers contained. This person was described. This person described the scenes of that videotape showed and made, and that's all

scratched out. You can't really see what this says. Something pencil drawings of some of the videos. What you see is what you get. I can't decipher what is written or drawn any more than you can. I pass these papers on only in the interest of getting out the truth. From other information, I believe the information contained here and is true. I believe the facility exists and is currently operational. I also believe that there are four additional facilities of the same type. One located a few miles to the southeast of Groom Lake Nevada. What is the truth? Only God, MJ12, and the aliens know for sure. So that's just the first paragraph of the Dulce papers kind of introduction paper there. Interesting. And there's a few other papers that just have like

weird drawings and some descriptions of what we're looking at. And we'll talk again more about those as we kind of get to that point. But also apparently something went down according to this. The Dulce Wars. The Dalse Wars. I mentioned it. Remember we talked about, we very briefly mentioned the Dulce Wars?

Right, right, right. But it doesn't necessarily say it was a war. It just says that 66 humans were killed. I'm surprised that that's called a war. I can't imagine a ton of people that are inside that facility. So, yeah, war maybe like a kind of overblown term. Sure. But yeah, there's some shit that happened in there.

and we'll eventually get to that. Also, these images, by the way, just, there's five images. One is text. The other four. We have a close up of a little tiny gray baby in his little sack. A little tiny gray baby, dude. With notes next to it that talk about like what's happening. Yeah.

Then the next image is like the big chamber where all the little gray babies are. It looks like it, but it also looks like a hose with a water balloon on one end of it. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty much the vibe. And the little baby, the little baby is. the hand is super weird. I actually like, that's a fun detail,

I'll be honest. It's like, it's a little tiny guy. Three fingers, two toes, not human, color wrong. Isn't he cute?

No, he's sleeping. And then the next image is like a hallway where they describe a gutter in the floor and like a trough on the side. Things like that kind of fun.

There's like a... It looks like a Disneyland ride. Yeah, definitely has the same vibe as like you're waiting in line for something. And the last one's my favorite because it straight up

is just a tub full of amber liquid and they vibrate it and then there's large pieces of pale meat submerged in it, not floating submerged. And they just like, the worst part is is I can visibly see this. Like not just the diagram, but I've seen this kind of thing in movies before. Yeah. And it's interesting because if this is to feed the grays, we did learn in that quote unquote learn in that whistleblower, the guy who was like supposedly a geneticist that talked about how they had. only take in a liquid diet that's kind of amber in color and they secrete their waist

through their sweating pores. So maybe they're vibrating the nutrition out of the meat to make the water nutritious. I don't know. To make the amber liquid? Very, very possible. I mean, it's all guessing. They even say that they don't know what any of this means. I found the link to the YouTube video that was that, that was that thing, but it's, but it's been removed. And the video itself is, it seems to be a flash player issue. I don't know what it is that the website that we're looking at is quite old and has backups all the way, you know, beyond 15 years. So, do you have a link to it that I can click on anyway and just have it?

I mean, to the video, to the, to the YouTube link? Yeah, just send me a link anyway, just like I can throw it in the notes at the very least. Let's talk about what species of aliens are residing within DLte facility, even right now, as we fucking speak, as we live and breathe. They're working with the aliens and the Dulte facility. right now. You think they're listening and they're like, that's us, dude. Yes. They're absolutely. They got it. The government's listening for sure. Uh, okay. So let's start with the obvious. The grays are obviously hanging out there. The grays are, are, have been there probably from the very

beginning. We're looking at, uh, depicted as the quintessential three to four foot tall, slender bodies, large almond shaped eyes with a nog in the house, a galaxy brain, all their own. Um, they don't have, you know, either no noses or minimal noses. No. ears, no hair totally smooth. And what we know of them living there is their purpose, as far as we know, they're directly associated with the abductions that are happening around the earth and genetic experiments directly related to those abductions. In Dulce, they are often depicted as the primary sort of like technicians and scientists of the base itself. They're the ones that are conducting the complex genetic and biological research

throughout the base. Possibly to understand human biology, possibly to create some sort of hybrid. There's also the rumor that they can no longer properly reproduce. So they use our DNA and our body to like create more of them through this hybrid research. That's the gray's though. It's basically every classic gray conspiracy they're doing at Dulce. Then the other most common one, the reptilians. The reptilians are hanging out. And these are already there. They were just like, hey, what's going on? Yeah, well, exactly. They made just terrestrial. They're just hanging out already. Deptilians are anywhere between six to eight feet tall, extremely muscular, with green, usually scaly skin, sometimes yellow or red eyes. And they're

said to possess a high degree of intelligence and physical strength, but not quite that of the grays. And what they're doing here is kind of hard to figure out. They are often talked about in stories as imposing figures. In fact, a lot of the problems between humans and the aliens at Dulce are almost always human and reptilian themselves. We think they might be involved in the governance or management of the bases day-to-day operations. They're sometimes depicted as have a menacing presence.

Time out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just straight up those bug people on the one star base in Mass Effect. The Elcor or the... In the Citadel and Mass Effect, the bug people that just are there. and they've always been there. Oh, the archivists or whatever. Yeah, the caretakers or whatever.

And they're like, don't mess with them. They just do their job. We don't even ask questions. Those guys on the Citadel. Well, they're also involved. Other than that, they're also involved in the more sinister aspect of some of the facilities activities. Those guys are the Citadel, bro.

That's true. Including the potentially just manipulating humanity and like trying to exert control over the government and other species. They're very aggressive. They seem like they're always trying to like be in charge. And they also. eat meat and we think maybe human meat is their favorite. They really like human meat and you have to be very, very careful around them.

Like, very respectful. That doesn't seem like absolutely. That seems like a non-starter. It's just not one of those things where the more that you focus on the different aliens and what they want and how they interact with the, it just makes even less sense that it's all a secret. Well, is it a secret? We know about it.

We're talking about it. Is it a secret? Oh, you know what? Touche. Tush. I'll shut up. You're right. Got me.

That's like when those people are like, I'm being deplatform. Yeah. I'm taking to CNN to let you know that no one wants to hear me talk anymore. You know? Tusha. So reptilian's doing reptilian things. Also got the tall whites hanging out in there.

These guys are, you know, another six, seven feet tall, very pale skin, often possessing extraordinarily like longevity in their life, living hundreds and hundreds of years, sometimes depicted as having, having almost like an ethereal presence, very like it makes people uneasy to be around them.

They're elves. They're often portrayed as somewhat detached observers or just, or advisors. They don't seem directly involved in the research, but they're there on a more, you can think of it as more like a zoo theory style alien. They're there to watch and observe more than anything. They're speculated to maybe be involved in sharing some technology with us, maybe playing a role in helping us get some more advanced technology. but for the most part, they seem to just be there to observe and occasionally offer guiding direction on a scientific experiment or exploratory something or other.

They're not really super involved. Then you get into the we're looking at not just hybrids, but specifically human alien hybrids, the ones that, like successful experiments, usually ones mixed with grays. They are described of having a mix of both human features and aliens. usually their eyes are slightly bigger than that of normal humans. Their nose and their mouths slightly smaller. Sometimes they can have a slightly bigger head. And their skin colors can be a little more pale or strange than that of a normal humans. And their purpose of Dulce facility is one of the more talked about or debated aspects of this place.

They're said to be the result of obviously the extensive genetic experimentation, potentially representing not only just a fusion of human and alien traits for reasons ranging from medical research to the creation of just new species, but potentially to slowly ingratiate themselves and insert themselves into our society above ground so that the slow disclosure becomes less of a threat and more of something that we just kind of accept because we're already living amongst hybrids. It felt like it was happening already. They were here. The hybrids have been here and maybe your best friend. The big boys have been here among us this entire time. Right. dude and maybe your best friend that you know when disclosure happens turns to you and goes

finally i can tell you i'm not actually a human i'm a hybrid i'm a pig man i'm a star child i'm a mannum and he lifts his shirt and he has gills you know what i believe someone was more of a pig person than a star child any day if you came to me and said i'm half pig i'd be like shit really you came to me and said he were star child i'm like get out of here i'm an orangutan and human skin i'd be like yeah no we all knew dude like we just didn't say anything because it's chill we like I'm just so happy you were able to be yourself and come forward. I'm just so happy that you guys let me smoke all those cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, man, have another one, actually.

It's great to watch a ring a tank smoke a cigarette. Yeah, like that's, you know what, be yourself. Be true to you, dude. He's showing us a, uh, all right. So he's holding up his phone to the screen and it has a picture of an orangutan in a tomato, and a ray of tomato. And it asks if it's real or fake and has signs gone too far.

I don't know how where, like, I want to know how you knew to just bring that up. Like, did you have that saved on your phone? I guarantee you had it.

I just saw on Twitter. I just saw on Twitter earlier. All right. We got two more species left on this base to talk about. The next are the Nordic slash Pleadians. Another topic we just covered.

And wouldn't you know it? The Pleadians have a little fucking, you know, bunk here on Dulcee. They've been vibing out. I was just on their biblioteca. Dude, yeah, biblioteca plei. Exactly.

You see the connections. These are the Nordics. You know what they look like. Giant Vikings, blonde hair, beautiful, quote and quote, and they always emanate some of, they're always there for peace. They're benevolent. They're trying to guide us in the direction of loving one another and embracing each other as brothers and sisters that we are and to stop blowing each other up with bombs.

But they, you know, they always tell the back, you know, the people who live in like a farm in the middle of like Minnesota instead of going to, well maybe, but if Dolce facility is real, they are talking to the government people. What are they doing there? What you would expect? Diplomats, emissaries involved in interspecies communication. They play a mediator between a lot of other species goings on. Obviously, the reptilians are constantly being aggressive and they are often there to try

keep things at a operational level. They're sometimes said to be advocates for humanity, providing a weird counterbalance to the people like the, he's like the reptilians who really just don't like humans at all. So, yeah, there you go. The Nordics and the Pleadians are there. The last species of alien, the insectoids. The ones that we don't talk about too much ever.

These are like the mantis aliens. These are the ones that we were saying look like the jellyfish aliens a little bit the other day with Let's Get Haunted. Yes, the weird, like, you know, the one that had drew out and, like, traced like the mantis hands, but like a weird hand. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly who we're talking about. Zorak.

Yeah. Like, exactly. It is Zorak. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about. They're usually resembling large insects often compared to mantis or praying mantis for their sharp, like appendage blade like appendages for hands. They, uh, they have elongated limbs, antennae like structures on the top of their head. and when we're talking about Dulce and what they're doing there,

they're typically portrayed as specialists or experts in certain fields, possibly related to advanced biological or technological research. We just don't have enough evidence to know which. And they are often depicted as highly intelligent and focused on, very focused on what their projects are. They're like hyper-focused. You know, when ADHD and you get something that gives you that dopamine hit and you get super zoomed in on it and it's the only thing you care about,

that's insectoids with their research. They find the thing they love and they hyper-focused on it. That's what they, that's what they do. So there's a couple of aliens that we actually have quote unquote names for as well within this group, uh, that are kind of maybe real, potentially a small eye into what going is on on Dulce is. One of them is simply known as commander X. Commander X in some versions of the Dulce lore. Does he wear like a like a mask and it's like goes over his face so you can't really see his whole identity? but it also goes into like two big wings on the side of his head and he wears a tuxedo that's black and white.

You went from Judge Dred to anime. But is he also the main character's Secret Brother? Well, you're going to tell me how he's related to the other person that we're going to talk about here. Oh shit. Secret Brother, obviously. All we know about Commander X is that he had some high rank or leader position that he was, we believe that he was Nordic and he was there overseeing operations or interactions that were happening between species, a mediator of a type.

And we don't, but details about him are very sparse other than that. And often when we do get details, they contradict one another. So it's hard to really pinpoint if any of it's actually real. And the second one we have a name for is somebody who simply goes by the name or title, the elder. Do you think he's Commander X's father in this story? What do you think? The elder probably is a kid.

You know what I mean? Like they call him the elder. But it's like a goofy. Like it's what you call the big guy tiny. Yeah. You know what it is? The elder is like an actual young person, but his brain is like inside his brain is like an actual, an old, an old like two. Right.

They put the brain of an old space alien in him. Yeah. But he's like a child. That's the one. So it's like I have lived for 12,000 years. But it's like a kid. Yes. You think that's what it was?

I like that. I kind of like that, honestly. That's if it was a comic book. Okay. Yeah. Oh, we couldn't, dude. How has there not been a Dulcee facility? like style comic books like one off series.

I would say there probably has been. There's got to be, right? Definitely stuff like it. Like that was almost straight out of shade, what I just said almost. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, fair enough.

Much like Commander X, we don't know much about the elder. We know that whatever the elder is, it's often depicted as being kind of ancient and wise, possibly possessing knowledge far beyond human understanding. about the nature of reality itself. The elder is thought to play a kind of like diplomatic role

within the base. This entity might be involved in overseeing interactions between different alien species and possibly between humans and aliens themselves. But it's not clear which species of alien,

if any of the six alien species, the elder belongs to. Within Dulcee lore, several species are kind of mentioned like the grays and reptilians that he might be, but there's no definitive answer as to who the elder is,

and a lot of conversation is that it kind of leads me to believe that if this thing is real, it seems interdimensional. It seems almost not fully like one of any of the species there. The elder, you know, as far as where we get this, again, all of this comes from varying sources throughout of quote-unquote eyewitnesses. But again, beyond that, we don't know anything much else about the elder. It's just all rumors, speculation, and anecdotal accounts about this strange creature that seems to be there to oversee and offer guidance.

And of course it has... When you say overseen offer guidance, you mean like the whole facility? It's yeah. The examples that are, that I've read are things as small as an argument between the graze and the reptilians to diplomatic, like world government

diplomatic things. It's just there to guide question. But this thing is not one of any of the aliens you've mentioned. Right. There's no, we have no idea what species this thing is. We do not know. It's not mentioned anywhere. That's some good lore. That's like, that's some good mysterious lore. I like that. And it's got, it's got a classic name, the elder of all things. Maybe it's just like a little like tree.

Maybe it's like a little tree. You think it's a tree alien? Like a little, you know, like a little psychic snail or some shit. Like some little like an atrarium. Yeah. What if its name was Gaia? Oh. Bro. And it represented all of earth. There you go. Dude, I'm playing Horizon, forbidden. I'm saying, dude. And, yeah, there's Guy right there. So, like, all I can think of. You're like, what if it's an AI?

Not an AI. What if it's an AI that's actually multiple AIs combined to make one AI, but one of them went rogue? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, can I just say, this is off topic. I'm really loving the gameplay of Forbidden West. I just don't care about the lore. It's weird.

Yeah. The AI lore is cool. The tribal nonsense I could give no shits about. Some of it's cool. Like, when you find out that the one tribe loves SETI. Yeah. because like it made noises and so their entire tribes based off of like the noise and do ray mean i think that's super cute but like you're right that's all right most of it's kind of like yeah all right

that's fun you want to kill the t rex more than you want to do anything else like i don't care about your lore let me blow this dying dinosaur looks like a bunch of tech interns got scanned into the game and are all of the characters uh the last thing i want to cover just briefly it's going to where we're going to pick up in the next episode is the dulce war the thing i promised we would talk about just a little bit, and what exactly this weird thing was. And what it refers to is an underground battle between humans, specifically U.S. military forces and the extraterrestrials at the Dulce base that happened out in New Mexico. And the event is said to have occurred in the late 1970s at the Dulce base, which we now know of is home to a bunch of fucking aliens.

And the conflict is often described as having been triggered by growing tensions between human scientists and workers and the extraterrestrial inhabitants of the base, particularly over the nature of the experiments being conducted. Now, part of UFO lore is that the grays are the ones often doing the abducting. And also part of that lore, depending on where you go, is that the grays have an agreement with the government not to abduct X number, you only abduct X number of people every year. They're not supposed to abduct any more than that. And even in this, this lore, there is an agreement that the grays are not supposed to. to be abducting anymore, but the gray's just straight up, ignore it.

And they just, they don't care about your agreements because none of that fucking matters. I signed it to make you go away. I'm just going to abduct however many people I want to abduct and you can't stop us. And we can't. That was a big, you know, that was part of it. We also had the reptilians who feed on humans and didn't particularly enjoy human company and you often had to not look reptilians in the eye and bow to them and refer to them in very particular ways.

This is really what led to what this quote unquote, Dalsay war was. And according to the lore, that violent confrontation erupted between the two sides. And this battle, sometimes referred to as a war, was due to the alleged intensity and scale of fighting, lost numerous lives. There are claims of numerous casualties, including a significant number of human personnel and presumably extraterrestrial beings. And the story often includes accounts of individuals who supposedly escaped the facility and were able to provide details about the event, which is how we know.

Thomas Costello, one of the people we spoke about in detail earlier about as one of the sources, is a purported former security officer at the base and is often cited in these narratives, although his existence and account are obviously not able to be freaking verified at all. We know that in the war, the human casualties often mentions that it was a significant number, including scientists and military officers. They were killed during this conflict. The exact number varies depending on who you ask. but usually it's suggested in the dozens, usually dozens of humans have died.

What were you going to say? Sorry. I see, did you, I thought something was no, okay. I just, I just was, I'm just like, what happened to them? I imagine they were sent, like, told their families killed in battle as a tragic accident, this that and the other, lie to the family. Is that what you mean? Like, what happened to them? Yeah, I mean, I, I, I just, it feels weird that they would not notice that 66 people died in the same, at the same time in the same, you know, I don't know, it's hard to swallow. Well, yeah, exactly. And that's part of it, right? Like the aspects of this that are peathered to some truth and some fact are interesting, but a lot of the Dulce facility itself

is much like Philadelphia experiment, you know, accounts from people who say they were there. What, again, makes it interesting is the actual aspects of the government that were involved and if there might have actually been a piece of truth to this at all. Obviously, in terms of casualties, we know, we think extraterrestrials die that we know even less about how many of them, those ended up dying. And some versions of the story include accounts, like I said, from the witnesses who fled. And the identities and testimonies of these individuals are not verified and are often unable to be be verified. And so fall into the conspiracy narrative. Isn't always the fucking way of this thing.

And that is a general, very general, foundational understanding of what the Dulce facility is, kind of what its purpose is. And next week, we're going to talk about some of the more detailed experiments that happened, some other very prominent names that pop up that we can actually track, and where the fact, if any of it is and where some of this, if we want to call it fiction or shall we say, unverifiable information, eaped its way into lore and solidify. itself as part of the discussion from that point on, as we always do with these kind of things. So that's it. That's it for today's episode. Boys, it's already over an hour. It kind of went by fast.

Next week, it's Dolce Facility, part two, which will be the final part. Can't wait for more. Yeah. Very interesting. That was neat. That was fun. Not total horseshit, you know? It's not crazy like. You know what? I'll save it. I'll save for next week. Not as crazy as Philadelphia experiment. I was going to say. Oh, oh, oh, oh, no. I was more wanting to Alex's, but like, it passed a few more sniff tests. It passed a few more sniff tests, let's say. Yeah, just a few. I don't know.

It just seems, no, no, no, I made a promise. No, no, no, you're allowed. Big fan of, of the concept of what this is. And I can't wait to learn more about why it's all bullshit. We're off to do a minisode. We're going to talk about the UAP, actually, from last week. And a bit more detail about the UAP world and what's happening in it right now. Thank you so much for your support.

We'll see you next week. Goodbye, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye. Welcome back to the Joluminaity podcast. As always, I'm one of your host, Mike Martin, joined by the... I don't know who they. Perens Hill and Bud Spencer.

No. Neo and Trinity. No. I don't understand, and I probably never will. Let me just tell you right now that there's two Kennedy and Claire Redfield. I'm telling you, I think he literally just looked up, famous duos. Cheech and Chaw. And this has been going through the list.

Ever since. I'm trying to dig deep. Which one of you is, uh, Dick Powell? Me? Your name's Jesse Cox. Oh, I want my podcast. I want my. As always, I'm one of your host, Mike Martin, joined by Alex and Jesse.

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