Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 235 - The Dulce Facility Part 1 - Alien Roommates

Episode Date: January 21, 2024

This week it's THE DULCE FACILITY. Is it housing NHI from across the universe? Or just a small town that needs some tourism. Let's find out! MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD HelloFresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chillfree CODE: chillfree Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Jaluminati podcast episode 234. As always, I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin. Join by my beautiful brothers out in LA, Alex and Jesse. Hello. Hello gentlemen. Hello. Now that is one, two, three, four. If you asked me, I don't know what that, what does that mean? What? Episode 234. Boom. Oh.

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And any merch that we've ever done, you get it. You can do it all. It's all on patreon.com slash slumannadipod. We're here, we're there, we're everywhere all at once. Somebody made a post, it was on the subreddit, that said, I want somebody to donate $10,000 so that for a whole month, Jesse has to yes and me, no matter what it is I'm talking about. No matter how crazy it is.

And I'm like, do I need to start to go- Let's test, all right, here we go, here we go. All right, test run, go. Jesse, this whole episode is gonna be a good test to see how long you can hold onto that. Here's a test right now, Mathis. What do you think of the Jellyfish Alien? Oh, I definitely think it's something anomalous.

It's definitely having released the second, the second video that I shared with you guys on the text messages that we're on, where you see it go further away. It certainly seems like a 3D object and is absolutely something anomalous. And then today, the DoD released a statement that is so... It's basically a mirror image of the statement they released in 2017 when those UAP videos released where they're not denying it. They're like, we don't like when... No, they were just like, we don't like when things leak and we cannot confirm that this

is a leak. But the same exact like, you know Political talk that they have to probably do because of who they are Sure. I think Jesse. Yeah, I mean, I think the footage is incredible The more we see is so interesting I have absolutely no questions or concerns about the fact that there is a lot of other footage They keep talking about but they never show us in, I'm fine with not ever seeing it. Like seeing it go in the water, who needs to see that?

I have an imagination. That's what it's for. It basically already has. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's for. You know, if we're, we'll call that a foundation, we can work on it. They're just roughed out some edges.

That was the free version. Yeah, that was the free version. That was your free thing. When you open your crack. I'm not gonna fully buy it unless you pay in. Hey, by the way, speaking of our lovely audience, shout out to everyone over on Reddit, because over on the subreddit for this lovely show. A resounding response, yeah.

I mean, to a lot of stuff we've been doing lately, and I want to give a huge shout out to everyone who, a few episodes back, we were talking about light and the way that you could like cloak something and how that would be possible and modern day cloaking and things like that. And I just want to give a shout out to Kee Cowboy. I hope I got these names right. Kee Cow and R2 underscore R2 in the God O Epic and lubrication underscore theory

and to your compass rose on YouTube who made an 18 minute video deep diving this. I literally, I said- That was an incredible video. Yeah. When the video was posted, I'm like, wait, is this an response to us? This is for us?

Oh my God, I felt so special. I was like, oh hell yeah, let's go. I was very impressed with that. And so I loved all of that. And someone sent us a video to, I think it was the Godo Epic sent us a video Kyle Hill and Kyle Hill did a thing about it. And really at the end of the day, the thing that I learned,

I learned two things. The first thing is one, that the way everyone was talking about it, it literally is that scene in Mission Impossible, Rogue Nation, I think in Mission Impossible Rogue Nation, I think, yeah, Rogue Nation where Simon Pegg and Tom Cruise are trying to go down the hallway and there's a dude at the end of the hallway.

And so they put up a screen that shows the light behind them. So the dude looking at it doesn't see them approaching as they're moving down the hallway and they keep tricking him to move around the room and they got these cameras that like change the light and stuff. That's pretty much what they're all talking about. So if you want to see an example of it

like the best case scenario of what it looks like in a movie, that's what everyone's talking about when they're talking about cloaking. Is this really just like altering the light for our perception? Kind of vibe. And would you be able to see out? Maybe not. Yeah, like it's essentially you're not making it invisible. You're just making the light go around the object,

which is super interesting. So you won't, but if you're inside, but if you're inside, there's no light reaching you either, right? So you can't see either. Right. But in this, in the movie, they had like the screen where you could see through it. Oh, right. Of course. But the guy couldn't see back. So I'm like doing the movie version. Yeah. If you want to see it, I'm positive there's clips of it on YouTube. Just look up rogue nation hallway and you'll get that but then I also

Want to give a shout out to no, it's ghost protocol. That's goes is it ghost protocol All right one where he's going down the hallway and he's and he's the ghost He's like a ghost that's the ghost out to me so we're never I've never seen the movie that's the ghost protocol He takes his glasses off and he looks right into the camera and he says activate the ghost protocol. He takes his glasses off and he looks right into the camera and he says, activate the ghost protocol. And he holds up a screen. I just want to say for the record, those movies get better the further they get into the series.

I must stress this, the first couple mission impossible's I don't care about. But at a certain point, I think it's Rogue Nation at a third. Maybe it's Ghost Pro. One of them at like number four on they become incredible I love these movies. I don't care. I love I love I really love the second and third one very much I can't wait for the 14th movie, which is just gonna be a documentary about Tom Cruise like doing something crazy They're gonna just drop the most recent one was awesome. The most recent one was so good

That's all I heard they didn't they did not very well in theaters, and so they're renaming the sequel to not be part two and just gonna be calling it something entirely different. I heard Palm Clemente was really good in there. It is very, the whole thing's good. It did great, ignore everyone, it's awesome. But more importantly, this is what I wanna say about the audience.

I love hearing from people who are knowledgeable and have a passion in their field. So everyone who responds to us and they're like, I know something about this. And they're like, just tell it to us. I love you. And I've realized that we have a lot of smart people in our audience.

I was gonna fall, if you didn't say that, I was gonna fall up and just, I was like, our audience is so much smarter than us. And I love that. I was thinking about this. And I truly firmly believe it's I was like, our audience is so much smarter than us. And I love that. I was thinking about this, and I truly firmly believe it's cause we don't pander to the stupidest among us. Yeah.

Like that is something a lot of podcasts in our space do where they like, yeah, so you read something on Facebook and we totally believe that too. And I love that we have an audience that would call us off. If we just started doing an episode or it's like, yeah, so here's a conspiracy that some lady wrote on Facebook about this topic that I guarantee they destroy us. And I want to thank you for that.

So what you're saying is no more episodes with just me, Santel and Alex. What I'm saying is there's a lot of people who want an episode that's just me and Santel. Oh my God. I would love to just be quiet and be just. I want to be Dennis Miller and Dennis Leary in the ref. I just want to watch.

Like it's all I want. I would love that whole episode. He and I have genuinely had conversations that have been circular, that have lasted for like two hours. We tried to explain something like, that just didn't happen to me. He's like, well, according to,

and then he lists off 50 names. And I'm like, that still didn't happen. Santel is one of the best guys to talk to for several hours. I agree. It's great. So much fun. I bet our face times are the opposite sides of the coin. Like my face time with Santel versus your face times with Santel are probably the complete opposite.

I guarantee it's the exact same conversation. Yeah, yeah. Except one of us is just kind of goofing on the other. Like, yeah? Is that true? Honestly, the mention of goofing on the other. Like, yeah? Is that true? Honestly, the mention of Santel and the Jellyfish UAP, which we're gonna talk about, I think, way more in the Minnesota again,

because just more things have happened, it's fascinating still, because even without the Jellyfish UAP, the closed or skip hearing happened, and Grush named names finally. Like, he called, and said Lockheed Martin has stuff. These are the names of the people to reach out to like their actual like companies that

he's actually calling out by name. So they have that now. We'll see what happens. I did see the problem with this is I think it's really interesting is the minute that that came out, a lot of other things came out and it all could just be conspiracy stuff. But I saw this guy post this giant thing that was like, when you think about it this way, it explains why we spend so much money paying these companies for

products that are way less expensive than what we're paying for. It's because we're buying them off for the secrets. And I was like, all right, I don't believe that. But also that's really good conspiracy theory. Like that. It's like, oh, good job. Yeah. It has a it has a tang of retro to it.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a yeah. Yeah. When conspiracy when conspiracy theories used to be fun and not scary. Well, depends on the ask regardless, like even if it's welfare, regardless of how it all ends up going, I think the good thing is they can't, even if it ends up being nothing, they have now people names

they can call in and have like, you know, hearings on or with and like actually ask questions to some of these people. But the whole other, we'll talk about that in the mini-so today. The reason that is all a nice segue to today's main topic is because a lot of what we've covered all culminates in this particular topic. We're talking different alien races and the nonsense of that kind of thing. The Philadelphia experiment even pours into this tied to actual evidence and actual people within the government who have come into contact with UAPs and the airfighter pilots and the like all

culminates in in this chaotic way with the Dolce facility, which is something that I've been tolling with and talking about for years And I finally feel like we've been crept enough. Dolce facility in New Mexico. No, Dulce. Dulce D. U. L. C. E. I don't know. It just sounds funny. Am I wrong in saying like that? I thought that was pronounced. I don't know. Dulce? I have no idea. Maybe it might be Dulce, New Mexico. Is it Dulce? D-U-L-C-E. Dulce. Dulce. Dulce. Is it Dulce?

Dulce, New Mexico. Dulce, New Mexico. Dulce. Dulce. Jesse's response to what is this when I asked him off- kind of, I think, explains how much you know about it. I know nothing. But Alex, who's a little bit more versed in the world of weird, weird conspiracies that might actually have a fabric of truth in them. What do you know about this? I know that it's a base.

I know that it's like some people say, oh, like this is like the real Area 51. Like Area 51 is like Area 51 for the tourists and whatever to drive up to and don't don't say be Dulce base is is the is the real deal. I can confirm it's underground. Dulce Dulce. Okay. Cool. There we go.

And it's underground. And it's underground, multi layered, multi leveled underground. Big like, yeah, like the Denver Airport level superstructure down there, according to. Yeah, I know that there is a real base, but I don't know if it's the reason that they say it's underground is because I believe that the base that is above ground does not look sufficient to be the base that they say that it is. Yeah, and you are correct. You kind of have a general idea, I think of what this is.

Also, just really quickly to give you guys some sort of like clarification on where this is in the world It is in New Mexico, but it is almost Colorado it is the very north of New Mexico in what is both National the Carson National Forest is on its east and to itself in west is the Apache Nation Reservation and This is a little tiny carved out area. And there is nothing there. Actually, there's one Ace Hardware.

So that's pretty cool. I was actually, yeah, I'm going to talk a little bit about, they'll say, in that exact thing, like this is not a place you would be able to like pin on your map if you were to like be challenged to And find like if you know where this is unless you maybe know of the Dulta facility Um, but the Dulta facility or it's just a tiny little town a blip on the radar Compared to like a bustling metropolis that like Jesse said is snuggled up close to the colorado border and uh, jica ria

I think is how you say Apache reservation. This land obviously is like rich in Native American culture and history and very much a place full of culture. So this little kind of town in the middle of nowhere to have this huge facility, it kind of feeds into that conspiracy narrative really well. This little know nothing count nobody would think of has this stuff. I mean, just like all around it are reservations. Yeah. There's a Ute and there's a Navajo

and there's a, wow, there's so much around them and then this, this place, it would be an interesting place to hide a government facility, but I would imagine if I was any of the native tribes or I'd be like, get the hell out of here. I'm being honest, it's kind of cliche. Like, let's have a kind of a bullshit place to hide a fucking

government facility, to be honest, a little trite. But is it cliche now because we're in the year 2024 or was it cliche back in the 1940s and 50s when it was built? Okay, let's put it this way. If you're in the continental United States and you're like, where should I hide this? I would be like in some fucking bus to the desert. Yeah.

Like, I don't know. Yeah, you know what I mean? Even knowing that it might be kind of cliche too. I mean, finding something in a desert is fucking hard. Yeah. The Dulce facility itself, you know, just to give you an idea of what we're about to kind of dive into here.

Think of Dulce as almost like a VIP lounge of the alien conspiracy world. Like we're talking about not just a base, but a multi-level subterranean complex where aliens and government bigwigs are believed to just mingle, conduct experiments. So instead of New York, like in Men in Black, it's just a northern New Mexico. Yes. For aliens only underground. Mingle is in like you open the door, it's just a Northern New Mexico. Yes. For aliens only underground. Mingle is in like you open the door and it's like, Hi, we got coffee.

Mathis, we got your Duncan. Chutacamba cake. Refrigerated Duncan, Mathis. Yeah, this is like even like there is like diplomatic like happenings between different species of alien in this place supposedly. You know, area 51 like Alex said is like diplomatic like happenings between different species of alien in this place supposedly, you know Area 51 like Alex said is like the oh, yeah Aliens over here when the reality of where all the aliens are way out here living in the Dalte facility underground

And this thing really got big in the conspiracy theory world Thanks to a man by the name of Paul Benowitz specifically, who really was just kind of like a molder, if you want to think of it, like a real UFO conspiracy guy, alongside a man by the name of Thomas Costello, who was the supposed whistleblower. We say supposed because we are unable to pinpoint if he truly is from the government in the past or not. And if it whistles around, if nobody's around to hear the whistle blow, did it really blow? You know? No, it blows all right.

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Theories for this base range all over the place. We'll talk about different theories for Dulce specifically. They range from interstellar housing, interstellar peace talks among different species of aliens to being the site of Duby's genetic experiments involving crossbreeding both humans and whatever alien DNA might be being used in the experiments presently. And yes, the grays are certainly one of them that supposedly reside there. So for the next two episodes, we're going to dive deep into the Dulce facility. Today, we're just going to lay a groundwork.

What this place looks like, what resides there, some of the biggest rumors, and some of the bigger names involved in it. And then next week, we're going to deep dive into some of the sources where the mix of fact and fiction make this a messy conspiracy theory. With a little chunky boy here. Yeah, a little bit of a chunky boy. Look at this. Well, it's about as chaotic as I would say Philadelphia experiment was to put together

the sources that are out there. Some of them are much more trustworthy than anything the Philadelphia experiment was able to present. And like I said, the Philadelphia experiment oddly has a slight little string tied to the story that kind of attaches it in a small, small way. One sailor appeared thousands of miles away in a base in New Mexico. He time traveled somehow to get there. Yeah, so like I said, our two main sources for this are a man by the name of Bill Moore,

who is a self-identified ufologist. The man is an author and former UFO researcher, prominent mostly in the 70s and 80s. He co-authored a couple of books with Charles Burlitz, including The Roswell Instant. Basically, he was interested in UFOs ever since he was a kid. He attended Thiel College out in Pennsylvania and graduated in 1965. He went to Arizona State and became a section director of MUFON, which we've talked about a couple of times out here. MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, one of the bigger civilian networks out there trying

to do something with the UFO world. He also wrote the Philadelphia Experiment Project Invisibility in 1979 about the alleged naval military experiment popularly known as the Philadelphia Experiment with the USS Eldridge that we covered two weeks ago now. So like I said, that little string is tied. More also in 1987, along with ufologists Jamie Chanderra and our boy Stanton Freeman, he was a big part in circulating the MJ12 documents that became a huge part of UFO lore that still today is debated if parts of them are actually real, if its whole thing is fake, because

it's hard to tell with papers like that. So this man really did have his fingers in a lot of different UFOs over the course of decades. And then Paul Benowitz is a bit more of a detailed man who has a bit more of a trackable history. He was a businessman, a UFO investigator, and according to multiple sources, it was the target of a government disinformation campaign that ultimately led to a psychiatric hospitalization. And you might read that and think that and go,

that's gotta be a conspiracy. Except, FOIA requested documents actually back that up. In particular, the document, and I'm gonna go ahead and link it to you, it's called Will the Real Scott Jones, Please Stand Up, which is over 100 pages long, which really isn't focused on him in particular, but it's there. I'm going to go ahead and try to link it here. So the CIA.gov is where we're at.

Yeah, CIA.gov. This is a FOIA requested document that came out in 2003 that's really focused on a man by the name of Cecil B. Scott Jones, who is a huge figure within the UFO world and their really detailed breakdown on him. And through that, if you read this whole thing, which I goddamn did, there's a lot of interesting things that they're talked about, including Scott's particular of interesting things that they're talked about, including Scott's particular encounter with a UFO while he was piloting a fighter fighter jet that talks about a disc that simply appeared overhead and followed him silently before zipping off. Who made this? You can look at the top left part of it is censored RJ Durant and then some other names

that were censored off of it. All right. At the bottom says February 20th 1992 Robert J. Durant. Yep gives an address which probably isn't wise. No phone number. So that's a whole thing Yeah, maybe doesn't have the phone number anymore someone does though. That's probably that's his office Maybe that's his office. You know What's interesting is if you look at all of his references There are three pages of it. One of them is Jacques Valet the the book specifically Revelations alien contact and human deception as one of his references for for this he read a lot of stuff and some of the things

He talks about is fascinating. I would highly recommend reading it if anybody's interested in this stuff But through this paper, we do learn that Paul Benowitz was in fact fed forcibly lots of misinformation to make him paranoid and it worked. The man had a psychotic break believing his wife was in control of the different alien species. He barricaded himself in a room against her and wouldn't speak to her. He was eventually hospitalized and died hospitalized from the mental break. But before all of that happened, during World War II, he was a radio electronics engineer for the Coast Guard.

He worked as an engineer for San Francisco CBS Station, KPIX, and KPHO in Tucson, Arizona. On February 25th of 1949, he got married. We know that he moved to New Mexico and started working for golden industries with doing sales. And he later began his own industrial sales company. And in 1966, he acquired the rights to a humidity sensor from Sandia National Laboratories. He then founded Thunder Scientific, a small family business with his wife and continued from there in the 80s. And he was profiled in the Albuquerque Tribune about his company It kind of kind of became a bigger name in that in his town and he did about a million dollars in sales

So he was very successful. He did really well with the small company He had 30 people under his employee and then later on in his in his life He became a member of Arizona's aerial phenomenon research organization or APRO Which was another like MON, another civilian UFO investigation group. And by the mid-70s, cattle mutilations had become so associated with UFOs that we were looking at in 1979, US Attorney Ari Thompson and US Senator Harrison Schmidt held a public meeting about cattle mutilations.

And the meeting was attended to by about 80 people. One of those people was Paul Benowitz And it's here that some conspiracy starts to kind of bubble up because it's here that Benowitz meets a few individuals that May or may not have actually kind of used him to get information out there or have him See some things out in a in a town Specifically a man by the name of Gabe Valdez, who was a highway patrol officer, who was directly involved with cattle mutilations in the state, met Ben Owitz.

He would be the one that go out and look at the cattle mutilations across the state. He was in reporting. I know what you meant. I know what you meant. I just. Okay, sorry, sorry. It just sounded like you meant that he cut their asshole.

Oh, he was slorping it out of himself? Yeah, that's what he was doing at night. What a perfect cover. If you're the cop covering for the shlorpeng, you might as well be the shloper. Dude, internal affairs, but literally internal organ affairs. But yeah, Benowitz met him here. Gabe Valdez, the guy, the Highway Patrol officer at this hearing. And Benowitz later listed July 1979 as the beginning of a, quote, Later listed July 1979 as the beginning of a quote-unquote, a personally funded study into UFOs.

He reportedly began filming strange lights and recording unusual radio signals over Kirtland Air Force Base. On May 6th, 1980, a police, state police in... Where is that? Arizona, because he's out in Arizona and he's part of the aerial phenomenon research organization in Arizona. This is in Arizona and he's part of the aerial phenomenon research organization in Arizona. This is in Arizona. Then on May 6, 1980, a state policeman in Simmeran, New Mexico received a report from a woman calling herself, quote, unquote, Meirna Hansen and

describing a story that involved interplanetary visitors, bright lights in the sky, and cattle. Police in Simmerin referred to the case to their colleague in Dulce, who else but Gabe Valdez, the man that met Benowitz at the hearing. Cattle mutilation guy. Yeah. Yeah, who they knew to be the quote, unquote, cattle mutilation guy.

What a sad thing to be. I would not want to be that. You wouldn't, are you kidding me? You really wouldn't want to be the cattle mutilation guy? It's like I would like- I would love to like be associated as far as like the role in alien lore, but in reality, that's just a bunch of phone calls about cows without assholes, right? Yeah, that's not like the least cool version of being involved in the UFO world is like I'd rather be the guy who talks about you know, cool ray guns that people find, you know what I mean for

I mean, yeah, but I mean Alien books, you know what I'm saying? The first hand novel, you get like first hand experience Even being kidnapped by aliens the calls are a lot more interesting than like went out to my farm and saw all my cows, butts were gone. Hey, man, I saw my cows, I ain't got no more butts. Someone came and slurped them, dude. Someone has slurped my cows' butts.

You can get a slurp pins over at the Yeti.com slash to the right. There you go. So Valdez, having met Benowitz, turned to Benowitz and contacted him about all this stuff because he knew that he was a UFO guy interested in this and again he was at the cattle mutilation hearing. And so on May 7th in 1980, Hanson and the which, Mirna Hanson and her son, traveled to Albuquerque to meet with Benowitz, staying at his home. Hanson explained to Benowitz that on May 5th, 1980, while she was driving with her son near Eagle Nest, New Mexico, that both

of them had witnessed two large, silent objects, approximately the size of blimps hovering over a nearby meadow. At that point, APRO director James Lorenzen suggested contacting someone by the name of Leo Sprinkle, a psychologist and tenured professor at the University of Wyoming who had been investigating UFO contact reports. Benowitz arranged for Sprinkle to fly to Albuquerque. What else was going to happen? It was hypnotization. They were getting hypnotized. They were going to regress for their memories.

They hate that. Don't you hate that? Yeah. Again, we've talked about it before. Hypnotizing is not the strongest evidence out there to be used when not just Gugger UFO, but anything that you use it for. So when Sprinkle arrived, Hanson and Benowitz insisted the sessions be conducted in Benowitz's Lincoln Town car parked inside the family garage with the cars.

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That's about right. It's a great name. I'm here for it. So Benowitz wanted to have Sprinkle hypnotize Meirna in the back of his vehicle, a Lincoln Town car, which was then parked inside a family garage and they covered the windows thickly with aluminum foil. Just to be safe. Then during her first regression of account, she reported recollecting of a cow being sucked into a hovering spaceship by a tractor beam. So you know, very reliable memories.

Pretty classic like imagery. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Then in further meetings that they had on May 11th and then 12th, she reported recollections of an abduction and being taken to an underground base with body parts that quote unquote floated within vats. Hanson's recollection would later evolve what would become known as the legend of the Dulce facility or Dulce Base. During the session, she exclaimed, where's Roswell, New Mexico? Although most members of the public had not yet connected

the town to UFO folklore, according to Benowitz anyway. Hanson reported recalling having been given an implant by the aliens. And on June 3rd, Sprinkle returned to visit Benowitz. He found Benowitz armed with pistol and rifle, concerned that he was vulnerable, that he was vulnerable from attacks from aliens. And Benowitz expressed a desire

to protect himself, his family, and Hanson. So he'd gone off the cuckoo deep end about the aliens. He had armed himself as well. Benowitz then turned a hypnotist, James Harder, abduction researcher and a professor of engineering. And Harder had conducted a hypnotic regression of Travis Walton in 1975, which we will absolutely do the Travis Walton case. We haven't done that yet, right? No, did we? Yeah, I don't think so. The thing of firing the sky is based off of. We've talked about him, but I don't think we've done an episode about.

I couldn't. I'm not. It sounds so like I know we've talked about it more than one. I know. Yeah. Yeah. We've definitely talked about him many, many times either way. But episode that doesn't ring a bell. Yeah, I don't think so either. The two believed regardless that Hanson was under the influence of alien beams and wrote detailed instructions beams. Beams. Yeah. And he wrote detailed instruction on how to use aluminum foil to shield the room from the beams before conducting a regression. Gabrielle Valdez's son later commented on is the assumption there that the beams will prevent you from having an accurate or real regression?

Yeah, they're controlled like mind control. As far as I understand, they're mind control. So it'd be like instead of you seeing the aliens when you regress, they'll see like, it was doctors and the doctors were poking. Instead of normal eyeballs, your eyeballs, they're spirals, bro. We're talking alien beams, okay? Yeah, there's a lot that kind of went down and it's also through him Benowitz that we learn of what was known as the Dulce war a Big fight that happened which we'll talk about trust me

We will talk about all of that stuff just to give you an idea of war who our two sources are so this guy We have a know a lot about and it's pretty fucking crazy The other guy we know a lot less about but he ended up killing they ended up dying and had a psychotic break that the CIA did end up trying to accomplish and they did end up accomplishing it. Are we good on that? Does that all make sense? I've we've followed our two main sources for this so far because we've got to keep moving on. Yeah, I mean, good.

I mean, yeah. So let's look at the Dulce facility specifically. It's layout, what we know to be within there. And then we could talk a little bit about the alien races that inhabit this place. So first, we've got ourselves the underground levels. Kind of looking at like, imagine like a subterranean mega structure stretching over multiple levels. Some say seven other rumors say even higher. And each level is rumored to have its own distinct purpose ranging from mundane

like security communications research to the bizarre shit like alien housing and genetic experimentation labs. We're talking like whole levels dedicated to the grays where the grays hang out and where the grays live. What do you mean? Like do they have like alien housing floor? This is a hang out. They're like dorms for the aliens. Yeah. Yes. What? They like PS five in there. You think the grays want to play the PS five? I don't know what they want to do. I don't know what they want to do.

I guarantee that the grays heard about God of War were like, get us that game. But what if the grays are future versions of us? Don't you think they would prefer like the PS third? Do PS nine. Remember that one? There's still there's still people playing SNES games. Yeah, who does that? What loser has the freaking losers?

What loser out there? It's stupid. It's playing old games. Yeah. Yeah. What guy what guy bought every old game There is just so that he never had to yeah, what I ever live in the present ever again idiot. I Don't know how to be like someone buying a some sort of Device that only plays old games and then hooking up to some sort of projector screen

Like what an idiot all his friends, you know what I don't need to buy another game ever sounds like I'm happy forever playing my old games so don't an idiot would say that I'm just we're just talking about somebody else someone right now are you saying the aliens are like this particular individual yeah we do not know yes I got you no but you're right there are like don't you ever feel like an alien in your own world I mean more than you know Alex more than you know So you are correct Yes, the aliens have like bunk levels essentially dorm dormitories to themselves. As you get deeper, supposedly things just get weirder and weirder. The deeper levels are said to house like what we would

consider sci fi shit advanced technologies beyond our own comprehension. We just don't understand how they work. And then collaborations between humans and different alien species. You kind of think of it like a almost like a UN, like a UN with extraterrestrials, the extraterrestrial UN, fantastic. According to some of the lore, humans and aliens work side by side until say, you think scientists and lab coach running, like working alongside grays, trying to figure out technology and merging our DNA with theirs, sharing technology back and forth. The base is also said to be a sort of melting pot of aliens. We're talking not just grays, but things like reptilians and pleiadians

and more, which we'll, like I said, talk about shortly. Other things that happen supposedly in there. We're looking at genetic experiments, as I said. Those narratives take darker turns as we move into the world of those genetic experiments that include both humans and animals talking about splicing DNA, not just with both humans and animals, talking about splicing DNA, not just between humans and aliens, but humans and animals, like chimera creatures. Pig dudes, pig men? Yeah, like pig dudes and like bird women and fish babies. Hell yeah.

You know? Bird women and fish babies? Yeah, dude. That's like, what do you... Don't fish already have babies? No, but like, are there female birds? Okay, sorry, fish human babies. Human babies that are fish.

Human babies. Dude, this base is fucked up. Little do these little fucking... That's fucking cool, I wanna go! Little do these little PlayStation aliens know they're so close to just sheer biological horrors. If you... I want to be merged with like a tiger what merged Merge me with a tiger. Yeah, what do you mean merged? Genetically experiment with my DNA turn me into a tiger man. You want to dock the morrow your way into being half-tiger?

I don't under I don't get that reference God, I don't know how to help you man.. I just don't. Some days I don't. I don't know what to do for you. Just consider me innocent. I'm so innocent. Just know that that's a thing that exists. Consider me innocent, bro. And spans many forms of media. Consider me innocent. Is that what he does? Does he murder? Does he become a does he become a man?

A man animal? A man. I mean, he doesn't. OK, but he makes animals. Yeah, on his island. I OK okay cool. That sounds like a cool dude What if that movie was a government backed? disclosure To get us used to the idea that was the movie they chose to make disclosure and they made a terrible choice Is it not okay? Well, I guess it's probably pretty spooky

I mean there's many versions of that story, but the most recent version I think with Marlon Brando is Insane, I say if this exists like the weirdest movie that I've ever seen I I've never seen a man Act weirder on a camera before yeah, but you do I believe see a man slash Mancat sex scene, which is pretty cool. Oh, yeah, it happens interesting. I Think yeah, man, if these aliens exist, minimalize me as a tiger. I'm down Alex What would you be if you're gonna be a half animal? Like a bear like a like a big like a bear like something big enough to be like come like I don't need to wear blankets anymore You know what I mean? Like I need sure sure. We're I want we're like probably like an orangutan. Like I think people probably would say I look like a human orangutan. I

don't know. I don't want to be one but I am one. Is that am I doomed to it? That's not when we asked you that he asked you what would you strong a big strong bear or an elephant? I would be a kangaroo. I want to have bounce powers and strong upper body strength and a tail that I can stand on that's a good choice Yeah, I'll be a kangaroo that'd be amazing and then it's kangaroo bear tiger podcast Yeah, I'm an animal animal podcast. It's just us shrieking into the microphone like we always do except now of the genetic stuff. Obviously, you have your mind control and how the experiments do these kind of techniques were being are being developed and refined

in Dulce where everything is just trying to be weaponized for our military industrial complex. It's, again, kind of a place where a lot of different conspiracy theories kind of hang out and make friends with one another. Obviously, Dulce doesn't kind of exist in a vacuum. It's very much a larger part of the UFO narrative and has kind of seeped its way in. Unlike what I would say, the Philadelphia experiment where most people understand that that's fake, Dulce is still heavily debated within the UFO world

as a weather. It's true, it's fake, parts of it might be true, maybe it's mostly disinfo, it's hard to know, but this definitely thrives in the UFO world still very, very much. And obviously we're looking at a time too where Project Blue Book was actually around and was the Air Force's UFO investigation that was happening. It concluded in 1969 and then kind of left a void filled by a bunch of private researchers that picked up the mantle, move on,

and so on. And this is the time of which those civilian UFO networks are actually working and Dulce is kind of their baby in a way their first big break after Kind of running with what they have We are we're looking at something so much more deep than what is area 51 would be considered overall We are last last things we're talking about here is there some eyewitnesses that we will talk about We're not gonna talk about the I want to say What we would consider factual doubts until next episode will really break down How much of this can be traced to something and I won't say a word. Yeah, well, you know, yes

Yes, and Next episode I get to poop on everything this episode is the free version bro. You need the crack version Yeah, you need the crack the last thing I'm gonna link you is there also something known as the dulce papers that Supposedly leaked and they're supposedly online Except the only place that I can find them is a good old website that I have visited every so often out of necessity Bibliotecaplliades.net. Oh, no.

I'm going to link you the link. We will talk about this a little later, maybe even not necessarily this episode. It may be a next episode. I'm being skeptical, but the word art says otherwise. This is some professionalism. This is... They got the Shadow and the 3d twist They got yeah, they and I think it's embasled to

The video at the bottom of the page doesn't even exist. This is good stuff long gone. This is the black square Yeah The thing with the Dulce papers is we don't know if you know quote-unquote They're real or not. There's a scan of a paper that says what the Dulce papers is we don't know if you know quote-unquote they're real or not There's a scan of a paper that says what the Dulce papers are. Yes There's some scans below and one is exactly that not the papers. It's just a tribute will right so Go ahead and you know Alex instead of me reading it go ahead and read what the Dulce papers supposedly were in late 1987 I was introduced to the Dulce papers by UFO Research Group Quest International UK.

These documents discuss a joint alien government run facility in New Mexico, USA. They show and talk about a piece of cameras footage of alien breeding chambers and tanks holding what appears to be gray aliens. These documents surfaced at a time when UFology was blossoming around the world, sightings were up, and the emergence of the crop circles had spawned a new generation of interested searchers. During this time, many strange documents were fed to the Hungry public domain by strange, cloudy background characters like Bill Moore, Bill Hamilton, and John Lear. Each of these told a confusing, disturbing story

of human-alien interaction, underground bases, and a secret government at the heart of a cosmic conspiracy. In 1987, the document fascinated me, and cross-reference with abduction stories and alleged security guard statements and tidbits, I felt that the whole story had some element of truth. to guard statements at tidbits, I felt that the whole story had some element of truth. Nearly 10 years later in 1996, through the internet, I found a piece of film footage that was labeled Area 51. This turned out to show exactly the same scenes as released in the Dulce papers almost 10 years earlier. In clear detail, large upright tanks can be seen with what really does appear to be grey

aliens inside. That is taken directly off their website. Now at the bottom of that website there once was what was supposed to be that video. So we don't really like have it. I've tried trying to find it and I think I may not think I failed. I was never able to find what was supposedly that video. I don't know if it exists. I'm going to go ahead and read just the first paragraph off of the actual piece of paper that is scanned on here called the Dulce papers. They give you an idea of what, you know, this supposedly held. So the Dulce papers are comprised of 25 black and white photos, a videotape

with no dialogue and a set of papers that included technical information of the allegedly joint of the allegedly jointly occupied US alien facility one kilometer beneath the Arculeta Mesa near Dulce, New Mexico. Several persons were given the above package to hold for safekeeping. Most of those given the package were shown what the package contained but were not technically oriented and knew very little about what they were looking at. The following was written by one of these persons about what the papers contained.

This person was described, this person described the scenes of that videotape showed and made, and that's all scratched out, you can't really see what this says, something pencil drawings of some of the videos. What you see is what you get. I can't decipher what is written or drawn any more than you can. I pass these papers on only in the interest of getting out the truth. From other information, I believe the information contained herein

is true. I believe the facility exists and is currently operational. I also believe that there are four additional facilities of the same type, one located a few miles to the southeast of Groom Lake, Nevada. What is the truth? Only God, MJ12 and the aliens know for sure. So that's just the first paragraph of the Dulce papers, kind of introduction paper there. Interesting. And there's a few other papers that just have like weird drawings and some descriptions of what we're looking at. And we'll talk again more about those as we kind of get to that point. But also apparently something went down according to this.

The Dulce Wars. The Dulce Wars. In the late 70s. I mentioned it. Remember we talked about, we very briefly mentioned the Dulce Wars. Right, right, right. But it doesn't necessarily say it was a war.

It just says that 66 humans were killed. I'm surprised that that's called a war. I can't imagine a ton of people that are inside that facility. So yeah, war, maybe, maybe like a kind of sure overblown term. Sure. But yeah, there's some shit that happened in there. And we'll eventually get to that. Also, these images, by the way, just there's five images. One is text. The other four.

We have a close up of a little tiny gray baby in his little sack. A little tiny gray baby, dude. With notes next to it that talk about like what's happening. Yeah. Then the next image is like the big chamber where all the little gray babies are. It looks like it has, but it also looks like a hose with a water balloon on one end of it. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty much the vibe. And the little baby, the little baby in the hand is super weird. I actually like, that's a fun detail. one end of it. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty much the little baby. The little baby in the hand is

super weird. I actually like that's a fun detail. I'll be honest. It's like it's a little tiny three fingers, two toes, not human color wrong. Is it cute though? He's sleeping. And then the next image is like a hallway where they describe a gutter in the floor and like a trough on the side. Things like that kind of fun. There's like a, it looks like a Disneyland ride. Yeah. Definitely has the same vibe as like you're waiting in line for something.

And the last one's my favorite cause it straight up is just a tub full of amber liquid and they vibrate it. And then there's large pieces of pale meat, pale submerged in it, not floating submerged. And they just like, the worst part is, is I can visibly see this. Like not just the diagram, but I've seen this kind of thing in movies before. Yeah. And it's interesting because if this is to feed the grays, we did learn in that

way, quote unquote, learn in that whistleblower, the guy who was like supposedly a geneticist that talked about how they had only taken a liquid Diet that's kind of amber in color and they secrete their waste through their persuading pores So maybe they're vibrating the nutrition is out of the meat to make the water nutritious I don't know to make the amber liquid very very possible Very it's all guessing they even say that they don't know what any of this means I found the link to the YouTube video that was that that was that thing, but it's but it's been removed.

And the video itself is it seems to be a flash player issue. I don't know what it is that the website that we're looking at is quite old and has backups all the way, you know, beyond 15 years. So you have a link to it that I can click on anyway and just have it? I mean, to the video to the to the YouTube link. Yeah, just send me a link anyway, just like throw it in the notes at the very least. Let's talk about what species of aliens are residing within adult day facility, even right now, as we fucking speak, as we live and breathe, they're working with the aliens and the adult facility right now listening and they're like that's us

Yes, they're They got it the government's listening for sure Okay, so let's start with the obvious the grays are obviously hanging out there the grays are have been there probably from the very beginning We're looking at uh depicted as the quintessential three to four foot tall slender bodies, large almond shaped eyes with a nog in the house, a galaxy brain, all their own. They don't have either no noses or minimal noses, no ears, no hair, totally smooth. And what we know of them living there is their purpose. As far as we know, they're directly associated with the abductions that are

happening around the earth and genetic experiments directly related to those abductions. In Dulce, they are often depicted as the primary sort of like technicians and scientists of the base itself. They're the ones that are conducting the complex genetic and biological research throughout the base. Possibly to understand human biology, possibly to create some sort of hybrid. There's also the rumor that they can no longer properly reproduce. So they use our DNA and our body to create more of them through this hybrid research. That's the graze though.

It's basically every classic grave conspiracy they're doing at Dulce. Then the other most common one, the reptilians. The reptilians are hanging out and they're already there. They were just like, Hey, what's going on? Yeah, well, exactly. They made just terrestrial. They're just hanging out already. Draptilians are anywhere between six to eight feet tall, extremely muscular, with green, usually scaly skin, sometimes yellow or red eyes, and they're said to possess a high degree of intelligence and physical strength, but not quite that of the greys. And what they're doing here is kind of hard to figure out. They are often talked about in stories as imposing figures.

In fact, a lot of the problems between humans and the aliens at Dulce are almost always human and reptilian themselves. We think they might be involved in the governance or management of the bases day to day operations. They're sometimes depicted as have a menacing presence. Time out. Yeah, time out. Yeah. This is just straight up those bug people on the the one star base in Mass Effect The Elk or the in the Citadel and Mass Effect the bug people that just are there and they've always been there Oh, the archivists or whatever. Yeah, the arc the caretakers or whatever and they're like don't mess with them They just do their job. We don't even ask questions those guys on the Citadel

Well, they're also involved other than that They're also involved in the more sinister aspect of some of the facilities activities like those guys are the Citadel. Well they're also involved other than that they're also involved in the more sinister aspect of some of the facilities activities like those guys on the Citadel bro. That's true including the potentially just manipulating humanity and like trying to exert control over the government and other species they're very aggressive they seem like they're always trying to like be in charge and they also eat meat and we think maybe human meat is their favorite. They really like human meat and you have to be very, very careful around them. Like very respectful. That doesn't seem like absolutely.

That seems like a non-starter to me. It just doesn't know those things where the more that you focus on the different aliens and what they want and how they interact with the good, it just makes even less sense that it's all secret Well, is it a secret we know about it. We're talking about it. Is it a secret? Oh, you know what to say to say You're right People are like I'm being deplatformed Yeah, yeah taken to CNN to let you know that no one wants to hear me talk anymore

to CNN to let you know that no one wants to hear me talk anymore. You know, too shaggy. So reptilians doing reptilian things also got the tall whites hanging out in there. These guys are, you know, another six, seven feet tall, very pale skin, often possessing extraordinarily like longevity in their life, living hundreds and hundreds of years, sometimes depicted as having almost like an ethereal presence. Very like it makes people uneasy to be around them. They're elves.

They're often portrayed as somewhat detached observers or just or advisors. They don't seem directly involved in the research, but they're there on a more, you can think of it as more like a zoo theory style alien. They're there to watch and observe more than anything. They're speculated to maybe be involved in sharing some technology with us, maybe playing a role in helping us get some more advanced technology. But for the most part, they seem to just be there to observe and occasionally offer guiding direction on a scientific experiment or exploratory something or other.

They're not really super involved. Then you get into the weirder side where now we're looking at not just hybrids but specifically human alien hybrids, the ones that like successful experiments. Usually ones mixed with grays. They are described of having a mix of both human features and aliens. Usually their eyes are slightly bigger than that of normal humans. Their nose and their mouths are slightly smaller. Sometimes they can have a slightly bigger head and their skin colors can be a little more pale or strange than that of normal humans. Their purpose at Dulce facility is one of the more talked about or debated aspects of

this place. They're said to be the result of obviously the extensive genetic experimentation, potentially representing not only just a fusion of human and alien traits for reasons ranging from medical research to the creation of just new species, but potentially to slowly ingratiate themselves and insert themselves into our society above ground so that the slow disclosure becomes less of a threat and more of something that we just kind of accept because We're already living on the hybrids happening already They were here the hybrids have been here and maybe your best boy and been here among us this entire time Right, dude, and maybe your best friend that you know when disclosure happens turns to you and goes

Finally, I can tell you I'm not actually a human. I'm a hybrid. I'm a pig man. I'm a star child. I'm a manimal. And he lifts his shirt and he has gills. You know what? I believe someone was more of a pig person than a star child any day. If you came to me and said, I'm half pig, I'd be like, shit, really?

If you came to me and said you were a star child, I'd be like, get out of here. I'm an orangutan in human skin. I'd be like, yeah. No, we all knew, dude. Like we just didn't say anything because it's chill. We like. I'm just so happy you were able to be yourself and come forward

Like I'm just so happy that you guys let me smoke all those cigarettes Yeah, yeah, man have another one actually it's great to watch a ring a tank smoke a cigarette Yeah, like that's you know what be yourself be yeah, whatever you be true to you dude. He's showing us a All right, so he's holding up his phone to the screen and it has a picture of an orangutan in a tomato, an orangutan tomato, and it asks if it's real or fake and has science gone too far. I don't know how, where, like I want to know how you knew to just bring that up, like did you have that save on your phone?

I guarantee you had it. I just saw it on Twitter, I just saw it on Twitter earlier. Alright we got two more species left on this base to talk about the next are the Nordic slash Pleiadians, another topic we just covered. And wouldn't you know it, the Pleiadians have a little fucking, you know, bunk here on Dulce. They've been vibing out. I was just on their biblioteca. Dude, yeah, biblioteca Pleiadians. Exactly. You see the connections.

These are the Nordics. You know what they look like, giant Vikings, blonde hair, beautiful quote unquote, and they always emanate some sort of, they're always there for peace. They're benevolent. They're trying to guide us in the direction of loving one another and embracing each other as brothers and sisters that we are and to stop blowing each other up with farms. But they always tell the back, the people who live in a farm in the middle of Minnesota instead of going to... Well, maybe...

But if Dolce facility is real, they are talking to the government people. What are they doing there? What you would expect? Diplomats, emissaries, involved in interspecies communication. They play a mediator between a lot of other species goings on. Obviously, the reptilians are constantly being aggressive and they are often there to try and keep things at a operational level.

They're sometimes said to be advocates for humanity, providing a weird counterbalance to the people like the reptilians who really just don't like humans at all. So, yeah, there you go. The Nordics and the Pleiadians are there. The last species of alien, the insectoids, the ones that we don't talk about too much ever. You just look the mantis aliens. These are the ones that were saying look like the jellyfish aliens a little bit the other day with the Let's Get Haunted.

Yes, the weird like, you know, the one that had drew out and like traced like the mantis hands, but like a weird. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly what we're talking about Zorak yeah like it is right yeah yeah that's exactly what we're talking about they're usually resembling large insects often compared to mantis or praying mantis for their sharp like appendage blade like appendages for hands they they have elongated limbs, antennae-like structures on the top of their head. And when we're talking about Dulce and what they're doing there,

they're typically portrayed as specialists or experts in certain fields, possibly related to advanced biological or technological research. We just don't have enough evidence to know which. And they're often depicted as highly intelligent and focused on, very focused on what their projects are. They're like hyper focused, you know, when ADHD and you get something that gives you

that dopamine hit and you get super zoomed in on it and it's the only thing you care about, that's insectoids with their research. They find the thing they love and they hyper focus on it. That's what they do. So there's a couple of aliens that we actually have quote-unquote names for as well within this group that are kind of maybe real, potentially a small eye into what goings on on Dulce is. One of them is simply known as Commander X. Commander X in some versions of the Dulce lore.

Does he wear like a mask and it goes over his face so he can't really see his whole identity, but it also goes into like two big wings on the side of his head and he wears a tuxedo that's black and white? He went from Judge Dredd to anime. But is he also the main character's secret brother? Well, you guys tell me how he's related

to the other person that we're gonna talk about here. Oh, secret brother, obviously. All we know about Commander X is that he had some high rank or leader position that he was we believe that he was Nordic and he was there overseeing operations or interactions that were happening between species, a mediator of a type. And we don't but details about him are very sparse other than that. And often when we do get details, they contradict one another.

So it's hard to really pinpoint if any of it's actually real. And the second one we have a name for is somebody who simply goes by the name or title the elder. Do you think he's Commander X's father? In this story, what do you think? The elder probably is a kid. You know what I mean? Like they call him the elder, but it's like a goofy, like it's when you call the big guy tiny. You know what it is? The elder is like an actual young person, but his brain is like, inside his brain is like an actual old, an old, like, two-times.

Right. They put the brain of an old space alien in him. Yeah. But he's like a child. That's the one. So it's like, I have lived for 12,000 years, but it's like a kid. Yes. You think that's what it was? I like that.

I kind of like that, honestly. That's kind of neat. That's if it was a comic book. Okay. Yeah. Oh, we couldn't, dude, how has there not been a Dulce facility, like, style, comic books, like one off series? I would say there probably has.

There's gotta be, right? Definitely stuff like it. Like, I, that was almost straight out of shade. What I just said almost probably has got to be right. And definitely stuff like it. Like that was almost straight out of shade. What I just said almost. Yeah. Oh, OK. Well, fair enough. Much like Commander X, we deck we don't know much about the elder. We know that whatever the elder is, it's often depicted as being kind of ancient and wise, possibly possessing knowledge far beyond

human understanding about the nature of reality itself. The Elder is thought to play a kind of like diplomatic role within the base. This entity might be involved in overseeing interactions between different alien species and possibly between humans and aliens themselves, but it's not clear which species of alien, if any of the six alien species the elder belongs to within adults. Say lore, several species are kind of mentioned like the Greys and reptilians that he might be. But there's no definitive answer as to who the elder is. And a lot of conversation is that it kind of leads me to believe that if this thing is real, it'd be it seems interdimensional.

It seems almost not fully like one of any of the species there. The elder, you know, as far as where we get this, again, all of this comes from varying sources throughout of quote-unquote eye witnesses. But again, beyond that, we don't know anything much else about the elder. It's just all rumors, speculation, and anecdotal counts about this strange creature that seems to be there to oversee and offer guidance.

And of course it has what when you say when you say overseeing offer guidance, you mean like the whole facility? It's yeah, like what the examples that are that I've read are things as small as an argument between the Greys and the Reptilians to diplomatic, like, world government diplomatic things. It's just there to guide the question. But this, but this thing is not one of any of the aliens you've mentioned. Right. There's no, we have no idea what species this thing is. We do not know. It's not mentioned anywhere. That's some good lore. That's like, that's some good mysterious lore. I like that. And it's got, it's got a classic name, the elder of all things. Maybe it's just like a little like tree. Maybe it's like a little

like it's a little tree. You think it's a tree alien like a little you know, like a little psychic snail or some shit, like some little like an atrarium. Yeah. What if its name was Gaia? Oh, bro. And it represented all of Earth. There you go. Dude, I'm playing Horizon for Bidden West. I'm saying, dude. And yeah, there's guy right there. So like all I can think of.

You're like, what if it's an AI? Not an AI. What if it's an AI that's actually multiple AIs combined to make one AI, but one of them went rogue? Yeah. Dude, can I just say this is off topic. I'm really loving the gameplay of Forbidden West. I just don't care about the lore. It's weird.

Yeah. AI lore is cool. The tribal nonsense I could give no shits about. So if it's cool, like when you find out that the one tribe loves SETI, because like it made noises. And so their entire tribe is based off of like the noise and Do-Re-Me.

And I think that's super cute, but like you're right. That's all right. Most of it's kind of like, yeah, that's fun. You want to kill the T-Rex more than you want to do anything else. Like, I don't care about your lore. Let me blow this dinosaur. Looks like a bunch of tech interns got scanned into the game and are all of the characters.

The last thing I want to cover just briefly is going to where we're going to pick up in the next episode is the Dulce war. The thing I promised we would talk about just a little bit and what exactly This weird thing was and what it refers to is an underground battle between Humans specifically US military forces and the extraterrestrials at the Dulce base That was that happened out in New Mexico and the event is said to have occurred in the late 1970s at the Dulce base, which we now know of is home to a bunch of fucking aliens. And the conflict is often described as having been triggered by growing tensions between human scientists and workers and the extraterrestrial

inhabitants of the base, particularly over the nature of the experiments being conducted. Now, part of UFO lore is that the grays are the ones often doing the abducting. And also part of that lore, depending on where you go, is that the grays have an agreement with the government not to abduct X number, you only abduct X number of people every year. They're not supposed to abduct any more than that. And even in this, this lore, there is an agreement that the grays are not supposed to be abducting anymore, but the graze just straight up Ignore it and they just they don't care about your agreements because none of that fucking matters. I signed it to make you go away I'm just gonna abduct however many people I want abduct and you can't stop us and we can't

Uh, that was a big, you know, that was part of it We also the reptilians who feed on humans and didn't particularly enjoy human company And you often had to not look reptilians in the eye and bow to them and refer to them in very particular ways. This is really what led to what this quote unquote dulce war was. And according to the lore, that violent confrontation erupted between the two sides in this battle, sometimes referred to as a war, was due to the alleged intensity and scale of fighting lost numerous lives. There are claims of numerous casualties, including a significant number of human personnel and

presumably extraterrestrial beings. The story often includes accounts of individuals who supposedly escaped the facility and were able to provide details about the event, which is how we know. Thomas Costello, one of the people we spoke about in detail earlier as one of the sources, is a purported former security officer at the base and is often cited in these narratives, although his existence and account are obviously not able to be freaking verified at all. We know that in the war, the human casualties often mentions that it was a significant number, including scientists and military officers.

They were killed during this conflict. The exact number varies depending on who you ask, but usually it's suggested in the dozens, usually dozens of humans have died. What were you going to say? Sorry, did you, I thought something was, no, okay. I just, I just was, I'm just like, what happened to them? I imagine they were sent like, told their families killed in battles, a tragic accident, the sat in the other lie to the family.

Is that what you mean? Like what happened to them? Yeah, I mean, I just it feels weird that they would not notice that 66 people died in the same. Sure. You know, at the same time in the same, you know, I don't know. It's it's it's hard to swallow. Well, yeah, exactly. And that's that's part of it, right? Like the aspects of this that are tethered to some truth and some fact are interesting. But a lot of the Dulce facility itself is much like the Philadelphia experiment, you know, accounts from people who say they were there.

What again, makes it interesting is the actual aspects of the government that were involved and if there might have actually been a piece of truth to this at all. Obviously, in terms of casualties, we think extraterrestrials die that we know even less about how many of them, those ended up dying.

In some versions of the story include accounts, like I said, from the witnesses who fled and the identities and testimonies of these individuals are not verified and are often unable to be beat verified and so fall into the conspiracy narrative. Isn't that just the way? Yeah, it's always the fucking way of this thing. And that is a general, very general foundational understanding of what the Dulce facility is, kind of what its

purpose is. Next week, we're going to talk about some of the more detailed experiments that happened, some other very prominent names that pop up that we can actually track, and where the fact, if any of it is, and where some of this, if we want to call it fiction or shall we say, unverifiable information, eaped its way into lore and solidified itself as part of the discussion from that point on, as we always do with these kind of things.

So that's it, that's it for today's episode. Boys is already over an hour, it kind of went by fast. Next week, it's Dulce facility part two, which will be the final part. Can't wait for more. Yeah. Very interesting. That was neat, that was fun. Not total horseshit, which will be the final part. Can't wait for more. Yeah. Very interesting. That was neat. That was fun. Not total horseshit, you know?

It's great. It's not crazy like... You know what? I'll save it. I'll save it for next week. Not as crazy as Philadelphia Experiment, I was gonna say. Oh, oh, oh, no. I was more responding to Alex's, but like...

It passed a few more sniff tests. It passed a few more sniff tests, let's say. Yeah, just a few. I don't know, which just seems... No, no, no, I made a promise. No, no, tests, let's say. Yeah, just a few. I don't know. It just seems, no, no, no, I made a promise. No, no, no, no, no, you're allowed. Big fan of the concept of what this is. And I can't wait to learn more about why it's all bullshit.

We're off to do a mini-soad. We're going to talk about the UAP actually from last week and a bit more detail about the UAP world and what's happening in it right now. Thank you so much for your support. We'll see you next week. Goodbye everybody. Bye. Bye Hello everybody, welcome back to the Jaluminati podcast Hello everybody, welcome back to the Jaluminati podcast. It's always on one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by the... I don't know who they are. There's two. What? Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer. No!

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