Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 243 - Dream Prophecies with Pat Contri (PatTheNESpunk)

Episode Date: March 24, 2024

Pat returns and this time he did some homework. Join Mike, Jesse, Alex and Pat as they journey once more into the realm of dreams and prophecies. MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Babbel - http://www.babbel.com/chill Pat - https://www.youtube.com/@PatTheNESpunk Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Jaluminati Podcast, Episode 243. As always, I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by the Rocky and Bullwinkle of LA, Jesse and Alex. Rocky and Bullwinkle! Nope, nope. We're not Rocky and Bullwinkle. Which one of us is Rocky? No.

What are we, Boris and Natasha? We're Boris and Natasha, 100%. Mathis, we must get the Bigfoot and Squirrel. Moose and Squirrel, yeah, that's us. You remember when Robert De Niro was in the Bow Winkle movie? I forgot there was a Bow Winkle movie. Oh my God, holy fuck.

I think I saw that in the drive-in. Yeah, the drive-in? What are you, a 1950s teenager? Yeah, there in the summer, me, my mom, and my dad and my dad and my siblings, we would go to like driving every couple of like every month. That's honestly, I'm not even gonna shit on that.

That's too precious and beautiful of a family memory. Thank you. Thank you very much. This episode, I just wanna go, like I'm taking the reins here for a minute. I just wanna say this episode was created by special request. This is a special episode. It's created by special requests from our friends

at the actual Chaluminati secret organization. Oh, fuck, they're back. Yeah, they're not back. Trust me, they've always been here. Well, I should say they're back publicly for a second time. Yes. And this episode is not part of my grand plan that I've been touting. So I'm going to spare you the convoluted details of that plan at this time. So this is just an extra episode. That's kind of like dreams part three, right? Because we had, will this make any sense? Yes. We simply had so many, this is simple. I mean, to be fair, Alex, you also said the green stone would make sense. It does. You just have to look, okay, like this is not too complicated. All you need to know

is we had so many listener responses to our recent Duology of episodes on the various mysteries and metaphysical concepts surrounding our dreams that I was sent another letter this time directly from the head of the Chiluminati themselves an entity who's known only as the most chill And here's an introductory letter from The Most Chill themselves from Mathis to Read. I hate this so much. And this is absolutely perfect because guys, this is big. You guys can't see this at home, but my smoothie just showed up. Whoa!

And that's the reward from the Chiluminati for a job well done. Yeah, think about it, think about it. I wish I was getting smoothies from the Chiluminati, but I am not. I know, this is from Mathis to Read. Okay, I'm excited. The light roar of airplane engines in the cloudless blue sky. Hot, salty, sweating beef links charring slowly as they turn on

the grill. Meat smell, incense mingles with white weed smoke and the chiming musical exchange of enlightened ideas in the afternoon. Patreon.com slash slash Juleman on a pod. Huh, that was weird. Anyway, there's a second piece of stationary that was also in the envelope to read. I think this one is just to introduce today's special guest. I'll read that for you guys right now. Here it goes. Let me just, I'm shuffling through my papers here.

Just give me one second. I gotta just find this. Oh yeah, oh God, it's really poorly printed. Test subject, Pat Contree, known aliases The Punk, The NES Punk, Assassin Golgo 13. Subject has been experiencing violent and unsettling dream world activity and has been keeping an Onironauts journal for several months for official Chiluminati edutainment review. Included below is an abridged excerpt from test subjects bio from Google Books. Pat Contre is a video game player, collector, and historian who has had an interest in Nintendo

since receiving an NES console for Christmas in 1987. I was born the next year by the way. He is known primarily online for his web shows, Pat the NES Punk, Flea Market Madness, and the Completely Unnecessary Podcast, and his spare time, which isn't much. He enjoys the gym, eating numerous nachos, and hanging out with an old Jersey hippie named Frank. There's also a section here that says additional information,

and it just says, it's a list of things. It says, ultimate Nintendo guide to the NES library, here that says additional information and it just says it's a list of things it says ultimate nintendo guide to the nes library ultimate nintendo guide to the snes library 15th youtube anniversary video question mark don't know what that means and coming soon ultimate nintendo guide to the n64 library pre-order now wow that was a really crazy intro. Chiluminati does their background checks very thoroughly before you're allowed on. Yeah welcome welcome to the show Pat. Thank you for that concise and and very overly I don't ambitious intro. What website was that again? That was a letter. Yeah the

letter was from the Chiluminati but they I guess they pulled your bio from Google Books. No there was a. You wouldn't know this information. You can't just make it up as you go along. It just says it's here. It says it was pulled from Google books. I don't, I, that's just in there. I don't know. All right.

Google books is off my Christmas list. Welcome back to the show. If you don't remember, Pat was on a couple, a while ago, we, we did a house in San Diego that was haunted by the spirit of some crazy psychic sort of musician guy, artist guy, really interesting stuff. He's back again now. And we were talking a couple months ago about dreams and the fact that I was doing a dreams episode and Pat literally has been tracking his dream activity in a journal for the past

couple months just so that we could do this episode. So hype for that. And I'm ready to get into it. As the most chill said, today's episode is gonna be both a look into our guest aka test subject Pat's twisted mind. Thank you for coming back to the show by the way. I'm not regretting it at all right now. Okay. The Chiluminati have requested that as a group we try and analyze, sorry I'm just trying to read this this try and analyze not just Pat's dreams it's printed very poorly it's on like a ditto paper like it's not like a printer

paper it's almost like they're making it up as they go along it's like a ditto paper they're saying but some of the dreams are other test subjects I mean listeners posted on our reddit at r slash shillman adi pot as well uh but first uh pat if you don't mind the shilluminati pod as well. Uh, but first, uh, Pat, if you don't mind the Chiluminati requested, we go over the list that you included in your report of recurring dreams. Okay. If that's, if that, I feel like that's a good intro, you know, to the, to the segment. So wait, the Chiluminati gave our guest homework. No, he just undertook this himself.

There was no cajoling or, or manipulation through his dreams or a little cajoling ain't so bad every once in a while. He did that of his own volition. There was no overt bribery, but it happens. So yes, I started recording dreams here and there since end of November, so it's been almost four months. Wow. And I have had a lot of recurring dreams

since I've been a child. So if you'd like, I can go through them for you right now. Well, I've actually got them right here. And actually, yeah, and guys, feel free to chime in on what you have. You hacked my, you hacked my dream journal somehow. Yeah. Well, I didn't do it. Uh, you know, uh, but, uh, so I just want you guys to feel free to chime in on

what you think these might, uh, signify. After all, this is a very valuable data for our secret purpose. Uh, or so I've heard first one quote, falling and waking up, falling and waking up as your first recurring dream kind of a kind of a common one. What's the vibe on that? Yeah, I've had some more things I've had a lot of like I think I'm able to fly and then I'll jump and I don't fly and I plummet It's a you know, that kind of fun makes me jump out of bed I feel like I have these dreams a lot, but I don't remember the actual dream part and I just kind of like Thought I was doing one thing and then I like wake up

from having fallen. Do you know what I mean? Is that what you mean? No, I mean, I like a dream where I think I can fly and then you just fly and I don't. And I, and then I wake up when I plummet to the earth. That's why I'm asking you, Pat, like what, what, what do you mean by falling and waking up? Like what kind of stuff, you like falling off cliffs, off buildings? What's the vibe? It's usually, it's almost like I see myself in sort of a third person, um, art style, like was it Bill, you know, the Bill Plimpton art style?

Yeah. You know, like that sort of art style where it's, where it's not, it's not like photo realistic and then I just, it's a combination of actually feeling the sensation, it feels like falling. And then as you either hit the ground or get closer, you wake up. But there have been at least one or two times where I could feel myself as waking up. It feels like I've hit the bed and physically reacted to bouncing off of it. And I've talked to other people that have experienced something similar, a similar sensation where it's almost psychosomatic where either your body is actually telling you that it's physically

happening or maybe you're positioning your body while dreaming to actually like hit off your bed almost as a sensation because it actually feels biological when it happens to me. It feels like my body is like trying to stop myself from falling down. Yeah, but I mean like I remember waking up one time in my bed bounced as I woke up. Like I remember that it was like, wow, okay. So like, did I like sort of like do a mini jump on my side or something while I was dreaming? So something really strange, really interesting. I've never,

I've never like fully like, I don't know that I do much like moving in my dreams. Have you ever asked? No, but I do sleep next to someone every night. So like, I assume like, have you ever had that? I've definitely had that conversation. Like when you were dreaming, you were, you were doing crazy movements. And I'm like, I'm like a dog.

I feel like just I'm running in the field, I guess. I don't know. Apparently I talk a lot, like, apparently like the other day, I don't remember what it was. I said like something like he Probably it's the same bastard that pissed in my cheese or something like that Damn, dude, you got enemies. She asked me my question She asked me a question while I was sleeping I was like it's probably the same bastard that pissed in my cheese Doing mad libs in your sleep. What what is that? Yeah, I have no idea. I have no idea

second second recurring dream says, quote, running away from a bully in my neighborhood and barely moving. And with that one, you included a link to a dreamyobsession.com article, which I'll drop in the chat right now for you guys to look at as we go if you want. So here's the link to that right here for you guys. But also here's a quote from that for Jesse to read. And let's see if that resonates with anybody. Dreaming about running but not moving proves that you are individual, anxious, inquisitive, spontaneous, original. You are very proud of your differences. Always ready for unusual activities. You will hardly endorse a moral code that is not yours. That's interesting.

Dreaming about running, but not moving indicates you are simple, open-minded, altruistic and peaceful, but you like heterogenin? Wait, wait, you're somehow both inquisitive and spontaneous, but also very simple. You're simple. I'm the and spontaneous, but also very simple. You're simple. I'm the everyman. This is very vague. This is like a horoscope and complication in your human relationships. Dream about running, but not moving shows that you are an idealistic.

You want to renew people, things, society, according to your own theories, which you tell easily. You need vividness in your life. Dreaming about running, but not moving proves that you need to be passionate about something, revolt, innovations, or on a much more esoteric level, the search for your genuineness, your inner life. I want to be passionate about leading a revolt? What? Yeah, like a revolution. Like you want to change the about leading a revolt? Like a revolution, like you want to change the way it's done. Grab your muscus gentlemen. Like

that last one straight up, the idea of running but standing your ground is a very like overly used trope and so the idea of them being like you're leading a revolt is very just dude with the bags in Tiananmen Square kind of vibe. Yeah. Like just like I'm not moving, it's okay, but it's a dream. So what does it mean? You're always in motion, but you're imposing your own moral code. You're not giving into anybody else's sort of like philosophy. You're kind of like sticking to your own guns and heterogeneity, by the way, it

means like diversity, like in your life, like, like different things. So you kind of like what that means, I think is life, like, like different things. So you kind of like, what that means, I think, is that you like, kind of like, like to have lots of different things going on, lots of different experiences, lots of different types of people around you. And that, that's like, you know, part of your desire to have a vivid, meaningful life. Right, but the entire thing I read is multiple,

each one starts out dream about running, but not moving. Right? Or out dream about running, but not moving. Right. Or then dream about running, but not moving and then dream about running, but not moving and it's four different versions of the exact same dream. Then they're all over the place. I'll tell you what, this article had a lot of ads that I had to close before I could read it, but I, you know, that sounds right. Yeah.

I don't know. This is, I did not endorse this article. I just included it as, as just to put it out there, I did not endorse this article. I just included it as, as just to put it out there. It's a throw it out. I didn't know it'd be, I didn't know. I didn't know what pop up. Is that you? Is that you? I endorse all the positive, positive attributes and I decline all the negative about that. So there you go. Okay. Individualistic of you, Pat.

I will say this about the dreams that dream. It usually occurs back in my neighborhood in New Jersey growing up, like the exact same layout next to my house. And so like for some reason it's associated with, I think with my childhood somehow, which a lot of my recurring dreams or some as you see are. So that's something to it.

Okay. And I was always afraid of being bullied as a child. There were neighborhood bullies here and there. I was the youngest boy on the block. There was like eight, nine boys and I was the youngest by at least two years. So they were going to pick on someone. It was always me. So maybe that has something to do with it, but I'm not positive. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's where you're, maybe that's where the idea of walking to the beat of your own drum was born Maybe you realized that you needed to fight for yourself because you were just like Like a little kid in on the block and you needed your own set of rules to survive Yeah, it was it was it was weird

This is an aside but being around like boys that were between two and like five six years older Especially when you're like six or seven. They're like giants to you So most of the time they were cool to me But you know hormones with teenagers and preteens if they were pissed off or weird, they're like giants to you. So most of the time they were cool to me, but you know, hormones with teenagers and preteens, if they were pissed off or weird, they just pushed me around. I didn't know where you had accepted because like those, the kids, you know, on the block kids in private are wild. Like I can barely remember what it was like, but it seemed like it was pretty

wild. We used to, you were a mess, dude. We used to go into like an abandoned tree house that we found in the woods and like hang out in there. I cannot believe we didn't get bitten by spiders. We used to ride bikes into a pit that was filled with water. There could have been anything in that pit. We would ride off the embankment and jump into the pit. We could have died multiple times. Like a walk to remember. Oh God.

Yeah. That feels character. Yeah. I guess. Next recurring dream I have on my list, I think is probably going to require some explanation. It says one Freddy dream stabbed in the hand. What is that? Oh, there wasn't a recurring dream. I just put that down.

I remember only having one nightmare in Elm Street dream ever. Being an 80s child as Jesse is as well, Nightmare on Elm Street was gigantic in the 80s. There was a movie every other year for the entire eighties, you know, going into the early nineties. So I never had a lot of nightmares where I was being harmed, except I remember that one happening when I was probably 10 years old. Did you feel anything? Like when you woke up? Yes.

I felt it in my, I felt the pain in my hand. I did. That's awesome. Well, the dream's not awesome, but I was a kid, I had a dream where I was stabbed in the stomach. And when I woke up, I had like a terrible stomach ache. And that always fascinated me because the human body's crazy. Chicken or the egg?

Did the stomach thing happen first until you bring the dream? Is it fucked up that like branding is like getting into your dreams? Like Freddy, like character? That's like fucked up, right? I don't know. Like before it used to be like... With Freddy though, no. With Freddy though, like, I feel like that's like fucked up. I don't know like before it used to be like with Freddie though No with Freddie though, like I feel like that's part of it, right? That's his Fucked up, but if you were dreaming about like Ronald McDonald shoving cheeseburgers down your throat until you died

Then maybe then like the marketing's gone too far. It's just weird It's just weird that it's a monster came after Pat and his dreams. That's owned by universal pictures. Like he couldn't make up. That was new line cinema. That was plucking. Excuse me. Plucky new line cinema at the time, but let's say this, let's say this, like he can't make a movie about his own dream because it features a character that's owned by plucky new line cinemas. But you can do it like James gun did and make like a weird version of it. That's kind of like Freddy Krueger just called like Teddy.

Freddy Booger. Yeah. Freddy Booger. Cause like he made that Superman movie, but it was like evil Superman. I'm just saying, it's just weird. It's just weird that like where we were talking about the dream world and we were talking about like the dreamscape and the ability to like go there. And the fact that people can like communicate while one person is asleep and one person is awake and they can still communicate and how crazy that is.

Well, we're gonna tent pole this. What X-Men can travel through dreams? The one that walks through walls did it in the days of Katie Pride. Can't she do something with that? She like moved Wolverine's consciousness through the past. Emma Frost can do it. All right, well, I'm sorry.

Yeah, any powerful side. Oh, you know Professor X could do it. He can do anything. Yeah. Dude, I like egg. Egg's cool. Egg and the guy who make eggs. Yeah. He used to be called Gold Balls and then they cleaned him up a little bit. He's called Egg now. Thank you to today's sponsor, Babel. I'm gonna stress you out real quick. I want you to fast forward to the end of 2024. And I know you might be like, wow, but wait, Mike, the the 2024 just began. It did it though. Did it did it just begin? Because what we're more than halfway through March at this point. And yeah, time's time moves forward. So end of 2024, I want you to think of

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I'm playing with a guy next to me who's never seen X-Men. He doesn't know a damn thing about X-Men. And I was like, I want you to tell me your thoughts as we're playing. And halfway through when you're done fighting robots and lizard men and pterodactyl men show up, he's like, what the hell is this? I was like, X-Men, baby. Yeah, it's not even, it's like not even inaccurate. It's like a great adaptation.

Speaking of licensed characters getting into your dreams episode. Isn't that crazy that that just happened? Uh, next one is, uh, speaking of nightmares, quote, nightmare of grade school and being late for the first purple bus and seeing it drive away from the parking lot. So, so yeah, so. Sounds like a Zodiac letter, but you know, I thought you let me explain them, but okay. Scrolling their dreams until they woke up.

Yeah. So, so all the, I went to a Catholic grade school and all the buses they'd had literally like the six and seventh graders, it was like K to eight, would have to hold up a poster with a color on it so that those small children knew what bus to get on. So they weren't, and I was the purple bus and it was always the first bus to leave. So when you let, when you got out of school, you had only probably, you had less than 10 minutes to get to your bus.

And it was always weird being a small child that I don't want to miss the bus, even though your mom could pick you up later. And it happened one time where I had to stay after and talk to someone. I forget if it was a nurse or an administrator. I wasn't causing trouble. I only got in trouble once ever in eighth grade, beating up some kid in front of half the school. Another story. But it did happen one time and it was horrifying being six or seven and crying, seeing the buses leave, even though you knew your mom could pick you up. It was a weird feeling. That is actually similar to a story where my mom, I think I might have told this on this show before,

where my mom like left me at school and my brother and sister were like, mom stop driving. You left Alex at school. And she was was like he's hiding in the trunk shut up. I was she kept driving there like mom knows seriously. Look to the mirror and I was like running down the street after. I was like I see is like child traumatized little Alex is like a child in all respects except for your face you just your adult Alex face like an oversight just. your face. You just your adult Alex face. Like an oversight. Just it's Alex as a child, but wearing the exact same clothes he's wearing right now, just a little oversized. He's like, I felt like, I felt like I was going to have to live at the school fucking

forever. You know what I mean? Like I thought I would like, I was never going to have that. Oh man. What? Why? No, I was hyper independent. I love being at school. It's cool that parents both worked late hours. So I like grew up basically like a, like a just kid on the street. Well, I was like, I was like five years old at that time when I was, you know, eventually I grew up into a proper latchkey. Yeah. But Jesse at five years old on the street, like get out of here.

There were multiple times when we go grocery shopping or to the mall or to whatever, I just walk off and my parents had to call like, you know, Susan Cox, we have a child we found here, like that kind of stuff. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I want to be on my, I can do this. And I just wonder. You know, Jesse was out there fricking Chris Hansen and people to buy him free things and just when they want to take him home, he's like, gotta go.

Sorry. Sorry. Mr. Like you never watched that show. I was gonna say, that's a. No, but you were just a child. What do you think Chris Hansen's job is? You just used Chris Hansen as a verb.

I don't think that was possible. Well, you know, like to entrap pedophiles, you know, you were trying to get all the. That's what I'm, no, I'm letting you know, that was never on my mind as a child. No, no, you were just, you know, again, you were smart. You got the free candy, but you went back home after. Well guys, I got to go.

This has been fun. I'll see you again in a couple of years. That's why this show has a content warning before every episode. Last two recurring dreams we have on the list are still on the school theme and they're kind of related, so I'm going to go into both of them together. First one is, quote, bad dream of being in college on Sunday night and having a 10 page essay due the next day happened once in reality. I know that vibe.

And the other is quote bad dream of being in high school and not knowing where my locker was. That one occurs at least like once or twice a year or, or like, I remember that going back. Cause that, that, that didn't happen obviously in high school. They are like one time I forgot my locker combination somehow they had to undo the lock, but there's a lot of dreams I obviously in high school. Like one time I forgot my locker combination somehow and they had to undo the lock. But there's a lot of dreams I have in high school

where I'm like walking out of the school library and all of a sudden I'm like, I have no idea where my locker is and the next class is starting. Jesse's shaking his head. That must happen to him as well. It's weird. I still have that dream.

Yeah. It's weird, right? I have like similar, but it's not for school. It's like waiter dreams. So I used to be a waiter for like 11, 12 years. And one of the big nightmares I have like similar, but it's not for school. It's like waiter dreams. So I, you know, I used to be a waiter for like 11, 12 years. And one of the big nightmares I have all the time is like, and everybody called out, it's just me and the entire restaurant is my responsibility. We're on a wait and the managers are expecting me to be flawless.

And it's just like pure anxiety. Uh, I can imagine similar of just like, no. Do you think that on a subconscious level as human beings, because we don't have like animals trying to eat us all the time anymore, that we replace that, like that stress goes there. And so we just have that dream every so often because it's like, that's when you were your most stressed, dude. So like now I have a, I have a YouTube, I have a YouTube one where I used to do a completely like researched, written shot and edited show every single week for like years.

And I just wake up and think that I forgot to upload that episode or I lost the footage or anything like that. It's just, it's just, it, I guess like, yeah, like it comes into the time in your life where like you had the most like energy, I guess. Well, high school, high school sucked for me. It was a horrible time. When people say high school is the best time of your life. Oh, they can go to hell. I had that same thought all through high school. I'm like, how is this?

Anything worth remembering? This all sucks. Yeah, it was terrible. But that's another, that's another podcast. Yeah. The horrors of high school. What about that time on seniors night when you guys put all that soap in that big fountain? What about that time when your team won the big game? My, my, my class was the class that lost the 21 year win streak in division a hockey in our senior year. My class was the nicest class in the school that we didn't do a senior prank because we thought it'd be too mean to this, to the We were like, we honestly love school. So we're actually,

we didn't love school. We were just like too nice. And the year after us, uh, they almost burnt down the school. So like, those are the differences. So now, uh, we have an intimate knowledge of what Pat's mind is seeking in the dream world. So let's take a second. We'll bring Pat over onto our side. No, wait, wait, Alex. What do you think Pat's mind is seeking in the dream world from all of that? I want to know what you mean.

Yeah, what do you mean? I think he wants peace. I think he wants, I think he's looking for a denouement of his, of his, of his. Couldn't you say that for everyone though? Is this a therapy session that I waltzed into? Unannounced? I mean, it kind of is a therapy.

Like it's an intervention. You'll see. I mean, I'm open to it. You take you, do you take Kaiser Permanente? Just what's the copay? I would rather do it for free just to not deal with Kaiser Permanente. Well, there's disorder. I mean, what, what are dreams, but a way for us to sort out our,

our chaotic thoughts, right? Sure. Um, that's a theory. Yeah. Sure. If you say something confident enough, really quick, just like, like, where's this going? It's a dream episode. A lot of people wrote in and so we're going to go over their dreams. Like right now, I understand, but this is, this is coming off of you talking about like people and they're like weird dreams also being extensions of what is reality, what isn't and future talent.

Where is this episode? We're just like, we might be floating through dreams like SpongeBob does in that episode where he visits dreams, dude. We're SpongeBob today. I love the chaos. Do you guys not like, wait, you guys not like, bro, I thought there was some big thing you're going to reveal and the whole, is It's just like I said at the top I said at the top This is not part of my weird trick thing that I so I'm not even gonna

Yeah, but you always say that and then you trick us and we're like, okay, we got fooled Yeah, you got us this time. That is strange. All right Now that we've got an intimate knowledge of what Pat's mind is seeking in the dream world Let's jump over to the subreddit for a second. I thought I was gonna be like, let's take a look at Jesse He just like knows what you dream From a post from ducks in a fridge called dreams of the past for math is to write dreams and now Pat's gonna be on our side of the dream interpretation table and we're going to All all talk about we think this dream mean so I'm writing this just after listening to both This Man episodes because it sparked

a memory of a dream and weird experience I had when I was younger. Take this with the idea that this is something that happened when I was quite young and that human memory is fallible especially for younger people. So when I was around the age of six or seven, I remember having a strange dream. In the dream, I was almost viewing everything from a third person perspective. I was looking into my childhood home's garage. In it, my dad was working on his motorcycle he had at the time. Standing there also was what I thought to be myself. Directly after this, I saw a giant crow fly into the garage

and perch on the motorcycle my dad was working on, startling us both. And my dad reassured me it was okay and to be still. And just like that, it flew away. That's all I remember of the dream. Later that night I told my dad the story of the dream I had and he seemed shocked and explained that an event very similar to this had happened to him once. My dad had gotten rid of the motorcycle far before I was ever born, after someone ran him off the road so I had never seen it. He explained to me that our neighbor used to have a pet crow that he would let out sometimes

to the particular distaste of the rest of the neighborhood. The crowed name was Iggy or Ziggy, something to that nature. The weirdest part to me was that the person I saw in the dream wasn't me but my older brother who looked very similar to me at the same age. So I had a dream of a thing that happened before I was ever alive that my dad and my brother

both said they Remembered with all the talk about seeing the future and dreams It makes me wonder if I just remember the story my dad told me as a dream or maybe something else stranger Either way it felt apt to tell the story in light of the last episodes Okay, the weirdest part was that the pet crow but That's not something that I have ever thought about in my life. But I think that was interesting is that you would think you remember that as a child, your neighbor having a pet crow or hearing about it.

So maybe that wasn't conjured out of thin air. Maybe the kid just forgot that they had heard that. I think the weirder thing is maybe the motorcycle, but if he had known or his dad ever mentioned the motorcycle to him a few times while he was, you know, growing up, I can see, cause leaving the garage open, have a bird fly in isn't the most like unique idea in the world. It's not like it's something that like not could be dreamed up. What's interesting is that the story itself is very, very simple. And it really could be just based on the last bit for sure. Just the story you heard or something

you heard in the past, or you've been told enough times you had the dream because there's nothing else here that like if it ended with, and then there was a motorcycle accident and then you could go with like the crow was a bad omen like that. There's none of that. It's just a crow showed up and it's like, okay, it's probably a story you heard. And then your brain like fitted into a dream one night. One thing that's strange that I noticed is that in the earlier part of the story, they refer to themselves as the person that their dad talks to. My dad reassured me it was okay and to be still and just like that it flew away, right?

But then later they're like the person in the dream wasn't me, but it was my older brother who they felt themselves as in the, when they wrote it down the first time. And so I don't know, but maybe that has to do with the third person perspective thing that they're talking about at the top, because Pat, you also said that your dream was kind of in the third person perspective, your falling dream. I've never had a dream like that. And you said that when you saw it in that perspective, you were seeing it in an art style. Yes. So I don't know, maybe, maybe, maybe you're witnessing it. Maybe like you're getting a recording from someone in the room, like, you

know, in cyberpunk 2077, where you like, can you've never had a third person dream. No, now that's weird. I think most people have them. I don't even understand. How do you even perceive nothing you can remember? Not that you can remember anyone. Well, yeah, but I mean, like I can't even understand. How do you even perceive? Not that you can remember anyone. Well yeah, but I mean like I can't even fathom how you would perceive it.

You're just watching something from the outside. But like in VR, like you're like in it or you're looking at it on the screen. You're watching a movie of yourself. Yeah. You're just watching a movie of yourself. Is there a screen? It's through your eyeballs. You're just watching it happen through your eyeballs.

You're just watching it happen. Technically, that doesn't make sense. Okay. Alex, think VR VR, think VR, but you're not, you don't have the like, uh, conscious awareness to actually move your head around and look at other things. You're just look, you're stuck looking at yourself in VR. Everything's just happening in front of you and you're just witnessing it. You're the watcher. What kind of FOV are we talking about? Like 70, 80. It's your dream, my dude. I don't know. what happens when you read a book, Alex, you imagine it.

You can conjure up images in your head and you're watching. I'm not like in it. I'm not in it. I'm not in it. So you couldn't imagine a scenario where you're like a character in something you are watching. I can, but I just, I've never experienced a dream that wasn't from my own perspective. That's all. I'm saying. Okay, fair enough Please don't I can I mean don't ask about aspect ratio or anything That's what I'm asking. It's just like from my the thing that's vexing me about it

Vexing is that like if you're not a person in the dream, what are you? You're an outside of your You still feel like quote-un well imagine, feel like a performance. But if you don't have eyes, what angle are you? Is it cinematic? It could be anything. You're just watching something occur. It could be anything that occurs.

You could be in it. You could not be in it. Are there cuts? Does it have music? Most dreams are not some sort of chronological story. That's like, they're cuts. That's it happens. Like, this is not like a well edited masterpiece you're watching.

It's a dry smash cuts in my dreams. I wrote down anyway, we're talking about the new sphere at some point on the show. I don't remember when, but it's like sort of like genetic memory. How do like butterflies that have like four reproductive cycles in one migration remember exactly where to go even though they've never been there and they're never going there, etc. etc. And that maybe there's some sort of shared knowledge. So maybe like whatever mechanism we have for recording that stuff, uh, and adding it

to that knowledge pool, maybe something triggered because it was weird that Iggy the crow came into the garage. And then when he, when the boy entered into a similar, like quantum position, it like activated that piece of genetic memory in his mind. You know, I don't know. I don't know. That's Assassin's Creed sevens plot right there. Or crows are just harbinger of the afterlife, dude.

And the crow was like, I'm watching and always will be right. That's the I thought, Oh, this is a symbol of death or something. Oh no, his neighbor just had a pet crow. What if, no, what if the, the boy's consciousness was once part of the crow until the crow died. Then they had a son and then the boy, the boy imprinted his soul on the crow and sent a soul duplicate to human after it died. All right. All right. Karma, Dharma, his way on the wheel up from pro to man. Cool. We got another dream journal reading here, this time from our test subject, Pat Contri. Night of Thursday, November 30th at a party at some big house. It's weird. And there's a semi

orgy going on at the far wall. Go on. Like when I say semi, I mean, like, I don't think I saw insertion or, or, but I, they're, they're playing. Why? It's just a, it's just a sexy naked vibe. There's naked bodies together. Den of sin. Yes. Okay.

I'm at the large full wall window. Think a high rise apartment, a few stories up. I realized during my time there that my eight bit dough SN30 pro controller is gone, which I have here for show and tell. So you can see that. It's a very great controller. It's a Super Nintendo controller with thumb sticks. So this one in particular, they don't make any more that has the concave and convex buttons and it patterns the colors after a Super Nintendo controller.

Why is this significant? I had lost this after I moved for like a year and a half, two years and was freaking out. I hate to lose things more than any, that's like my worst fear is losing things. You like think about where it is when it's gone? Back to the dream. I realized that the host of the party either took the controller or knew someone

at the party who did. I asked him, shorter bald individual, where it was since they knew who took it, I was sure of this. They claim they didn't know, but they were lying. I knew they were lying. I looked at the window, the full high rise window and asked him if he thought it was possible

if he can go through it. Like Tony Montana? Think like a menacing but calm villain in the movie. Like Tony Soprano? Yeah, he can go out of this window. Look at this window, he can go out of this window. He nervously laughed and he said, he doesn't say anything. He's anything I asked him again where my controller was in no response

Then I lose it and I take his body and throw his head his bald head through the window and it makes a Smaller head size hole so like the head made a hole in the window Yeah, then I throw his whole head through the hole again to make a larger size hole. So this is like Looney Tunes shit. Right. Like one hit small, another hit through. The third time I throw his whole body through the window and he, like he goes right through and he falls through the ground. Think the end of final fight in the arcade. Yeah. I start to, Alex loves that reference. Deep cut out there. I start to realize it's a dream. Just picturing that is like so much less grandiose than it would be to actually live it.

It's just, I start to realize it's all a dream and I want to wake up before I end up being arrested because people at the party are now like looking at me. So like I should, I should stop and say that a lot of my dreams, I, I realize it's a dream and I wake myself up. This is like common all throughout my life. And this happens here. When you talk about the bald man, little bald man, did he look anything like this? I'm waiting for a ref.

Oh, it was a link. This would be, that would be crazy. No, I don't know who that is. That from an episode? What the hell? That's scary. That is an infamous man, a little bald man who shows up in dreams and multiple people have reported seeing him. But that guy has hair in the picture. He's like balding. He's balding. He's no, no, my guy was

smooth, like Lex Luthor smooth. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. That's horrifying. That's a recurrent, really? That's like many people seem to think like that's one of the episodes we did that led up to this, which is why I thought this was connected We're all getting there, but no no Alex should have told me there was a bald guy that ends up in everyone's dreams I promise that I will give you the the Michael Douglas in the game experience that you want someday Jesse I swear to God all I want from this world. That's where I'll give you that. I think this dream is a catharsis for For Pat's misplaced aggression towards his missing a bit though controller

I think that there's an injustice to a missing object that is just so frustrating because There's nothing to be done about something that's lost. You don't know where it is. You can't really look for it. It's gone It's frustrating cuz it's gone and instead of being able to do anything about it. You just have to put it away So in this case, you know You go to murder the guy from the this man drawing and you smash him through the window over and over again So it becomes ridiculous because it's a moot point You're never gonna be able to get justice for this But of course you found it again so all as well or is that another one?

No, that's the same one, but I found this years ago So like this it was not close to me finding the controller. It didn't happen. You just met, you just remembered the, the feeling of your brain had pocketed away in the frustration and anger. I gave that guy a chance. He didn't tell me. He knew, I knew he knew. I mean, he could have went back to the orgy. It happened in the other side of the room and he didn't. What do you think? What do you, what do you guys think? You think it's just him, his business, his misplaced aggression for the eight bit tone. Pat already explained that he gets upset when he miss is losing stuff, missing stuff. So being upset over a guy who he clearly knows has it. And in this dream world being like, I'm done with you

makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, I agree. Yes. Please gloss over the semi-orgie happy. Well, you know, that part is just like, that's just how bad no, no, no, no. It is very important to the story because there's a, you were at a place where there's an orgy, which is like carnal delights, like pleasure, something that most people would never pass up pleasure. And you walked by it to find your controller. That's how much you wanted that control. Getting the controller back is better than sex. Yeah.

Getting, finding the schmuck who took your fucking you can get into whatever you want this special out of print. This is an out of stock eight bit dough controller has been made for years. Maybe Pat, maybe Pat just walks through the world. Like the vampire Armand. Maybe he just moves through it. And that's just- You've tasted pleasure before and now you only require control. From now on, for the rest of the dreams, I'm just going to imagine that there's a semi-orgie going on everywhere around. Great.

We have a post for Jesse to read called Night Terrors from TomB90. It's not quite a dream, but it's a really interesting expansion on some of the topics we touched on the dream episode. And it's from a very unique perspective. So here we go. Listen to the two newest episodes of Dreams. One to share a bit of my experiences. I'm someone who deals with schizophrenia. And like all people who have it, it's very different depending on the person. My symptoms fluctuate

with stress. so the more stress I'm under, the worse it can get. Voices in my ear are constant, though. But essentially, for this post, schizophrenia has been the cause of many night terrors for me, to the point where it takes practically being picked up and thrown to wake me up, where I injure myself by my body, clawing scratches into my face as I'm sleeping. Oddly enough, these night terrors always revolve around me facing these inner voices I hear. It always sent me into a dark unknown void with faceless humanoid figures and an absolute symphony of thousand voices where I have to focus all my mental strength into essentially just surviving it and hoping I'll wake up.

When I do, eventually come to, a lot of the time I'll have to either scratch marks on my face from my own doing or my body will ache so incredibly horribly that I cannot move for hours after. This has been something that can either happen so often as multiple times a week or so rare that it happens once or twice a year. In the year since I had schizophrenia, I randomly developed it when I turned 18, I'm now 26. This was at its worst in 2021 and has slowed down recently with all the talks about dreams being portals link or so on into other realities or even a subconscious one, mine has always felt like I'm going into my, uh, into my brain in my sleep to do

battle would love to hear thoughts. I can share on the pod anytime. Here's the thing I just want to say about this. If you're open to it and you're on the sub Reddit, I would love to know just what day to day is like, cause I've always, you know, I've heard about schizophrenia just in general, like, right. And I see their ads on TV for various medicines and things, but I'm just curious what the day to day voice stuff is like, what is that?

Is it intrusive to the point of like, I can't do anything? More information would be so welcome. Share if you want to, but like that's fascinating to me. And just like a, I would love to know what is- I can give you a tiny peek into that world actually. My mom, yeah, my mom suffered from a lot of mental illnesses and schizophrenia was one, especially toward the end of like one of her bigger mental breaks. And a lot of it is hearing things that are for her, like

every few minutes she would hear down the hallway, kids laughing. At one time she had an entire conversation with me as I walked into the door, came upstairs from work and then went into my room while the whole time I was in my room downstairs and it didn't happen. It just seems unwildly real. While she was in the mental hospital, she saw a monkey riding a donkey. While we were all sitting in the room with her, visiting her, she would see snakes coming out of the mattress. And all of it is just real as shit.

She would hear it. It's audibly like there. Her brain is telling her it's there. Sometimes it's distant, like conversation that she can't quite make out. Other times, like I said, it was full blown conversations with any one of the kids that were living there at the time. Like, yeah, it, and it was just real. It just felt real. So, I mean, is this a pure medicine thing or like, how would you cope, I guess, with the idea of hearing voices in

your head and that, like, because I know me personally, it would, I would not be able to do a damn thing all day. I'd be like, what the hell was that? A lot of medication. Um, and it mostly keeps it down. Uh, when things get very stressful, sometimes the meds aren't enough to keep it in the way, but it's usually like things she can't really understand. Not like full blown ass, like hallucinations anymore, but just like voices.

Well, in this dream, 2021, the idea of it getting really bad, it makes perfect sense. I mean, everything was really bad for everyone. That was the height. Yeah. Yeah. My heart goes out to this person because they had night terrors or sleep paralysis. Oh God. Yeah.

Um, and that's happened to me twice in my life. It's the worst. It's the most horrifying. If you, you never had sleep paralysis out there. You're, it's like a waking nightmare. You're awake, but you can't move. You're asleep, but your body, like your eyes, you can see everything. It's the worst possible feeling.

Like, like it was horrifying. I was sleeping next to my ex and it happened. And like, I was like murmuring. I was like begging for them to wake me up. It was like, like you hear the stories that people are in comas, but they are aware of everything that's like So this is like the smaller version of that where it's happening And I think I woke up after like a minute and a half and I was like panic

I had a panic attack after I can imagine it was it was the most It's like one of the most scared ever bit of my life One of the scariest examples of just like how weird and unknowable our brain can be that it can keep your ass paralyzed We'll also being like consciously awake. Yeah, you're paralyzed. You're paralyzed. It's horrifying. I don't wish it on my worst enemy.

What's interesting is about this, about like the hallucinations through it. And this goes back to another weird thing, like faceless humanoid figures. A lot of people have theories that some, at least some alien abduction stories are sleep paralysis. 100%, I would agree. Um, because your mind plays tricks on you. You, you, you were like aware that you're awake,

but your mind's not functioning correctly and you're seeing weird things happening around you. One time was on a, I'm like a big time plane sleeper and one time I was on a plane and I was, I was like leaning forward like this. For some reason I just slumped forward, but my tongue slumped forward too into my teeth. And at some point when I was dreaming or whatever, I bit down on my tongue real hard, but it wasn't hard enough to like bite it off or whatever, but it was enough to hurt to the point where it woke me up mentally, but my body still wasn't awake and it might've been mere seconds, but it felt like an eternity. I could not move my, I was, I felt the pain on my tongue.

I just couldn't do anything. And I had to, I was like, move. Like I had to will myself to, it was terrible. That's happened to me on planes. And I think, I think it happens to on planes because on planes, you're not really getting into a deep sleep to begin with, uh, because all the noises. So I, it doesn't happen a lot, but I've been on planes where I'm asleep, but I can still hear the murmurings of the, of the plane engines. And I, and I'm still wearing like noise protected earphones. So I know that I'm asleep technically,

but I'm like, I mean, barely asleep. And like, there's too much stimuli to get me to that deeper sleep where like, then I try to wake myself up. I've almost hit the person next to me and a struggle to like wake myself up. It sounds something sort of similar where it's like, then I try to wake myself up. I've almost hit the person next to me and a struggle to like wake myself up. It sounds something sort of similar where it's like, like, this is like half sleep. It sucks. Yeah. I, I, I do love in this story, I do love in this story, the idea of.

Going in there to fight the voices. I think that's a fascinating idea to have that, you know, you have this thing that in your waking life is harassing you. And so in your dream life, you're like, cut that shit out guys. I think that's super interesting. Think about the dream is like something that can connect. Like if the brain is like, if we're going to go to the woo woo side of what we're talking about last time and like the idea of the brain as like a, a pathway into some sort of other realm or some sort of the brain being like a pathway into some sort of other realm or

some sort of other. Instead of the brain being like a generator of a consciousness, it's like a receiver, like a radio kind of thing. Right. Yeah, exactly. If that's the case and our sort of, you know, day to day life, our perception is like, you know, with a typical brain is kind of unified. And people with schizophrenia,

though it's different for each person, it's definitely very different from the typical brain's day-to-day experience. And so maybe the dream, like maybe the way that you interact with that other world is very different. And maybe, and I know that's just complete woo-woo, but like-

Yeah, that's what the podcast is about with the back and the forth. Maybe there's something to that. Like if you're going to accept that premise of the brain being this thing that connects you like maybe there's something to that. You know, maybe there's some- Yeah, maybe it's just like your brain is like for whatever reason, maybe just the way it grew is just more receptive to other signals quote unquote or whatever you want to call it and it ends up just being weird voices or faces or whatever.

Yeah. I know for like some people hear voices that tell them to do things, you know, like horrifying things. Some of them good things, some bad. It's just, yeah, everybody's different. Also the idea of dreaming and waking up in incredible pain. Nuts. Boy, I can't, the last, in the last year, there's been two times. One time I woke up and I had like a back spasm that kept me out for like a week. And I did nothing. I did nothing.

I don't know how it happened. Did you have a dream that coincided with that back pain? I wish I could tell you. I don't, I, the dreams I do remember are always either really positive or very weird, but nothing like I fought a Goliath and it gave me back pain. Like I got nothing. I got, I've been like shot in a dream and like bleeding out. and then I wake up before I like bleed out fully like that kind of thing, but never like, Oh yeah. It was by my dad. My dad shot me. He was flying around like Omni-Man,

but he had a pistol and he wanted to kill me for some reason. I was hiding in some barrel. How long was this after you watched it before? Before I say, I just like compare it because just flying around. Didn't we do a bit? Didn't we do a bit on the show Superman with a gun? Gun because he was a comic. He was carrying a gun in a comic or something ridiculous. Yeah, because how stupid it is that he would need a gun. Yeah. Anyway, here's another reading from a test subject, Pat Contri. This was a short one.

Night of December 4th. I had a Komodo dragon in a big plastic bag near a station wagon, and I had to get it back to where it belongs. The zoo? Question mark. However, he's from San Diego. They have dragons in the San Diego zoo. However, my mom was there and I got upset at her for screwing up the plans. It may have had something to do with the type of bag the dragon was in. So I love the most dreamy dream I've ever fucking heard. This was so interesting about this document. If I didn't write these down, I would never

have been able to recall these. Yeah. Like Alex, you could have written this down and I would have been like, you just wrote this down. This didn't happen in my dream. But now that I'm reading it, I'm like, yeah, I think this happened. Well, that's cool too. I'm very curious too. In your real life because apparently the more you write dreams down, the more likely you'll remember them more. And I've always wanted to, I should just start doing it honestly. So like literally I wrote that 14 of these dreams. I think I remembered without recalling this document, about four or five of them.

Like about a third of them I remembered without reading them and be like, Oh, Oh yeah, now I remember it. There's some though. Are you, are you a kid in this? No, this is modern times. I think. So you're dealing with you. So you're dealing with your mom though.

I guess she's screwing up the plan to get the Komodo dragon back. Mom was there. You got upset at your mom for screwing up the plans. She screwed up the plan with the Komodo. My mom appeared in, I think one or two of these other dreams as well. Was it your station wagon? Not sure. I'm not sure who's station wagon.

This was a very, this was a very quick dream. Like this wasn't like some of the ones that were elaborate that are like, take like 10 minutes. This is like a 32nd dream. Yeah. Or this is like in and out and that's it. Yeah. I think it's like a quick feeling, right?

Uh, but curiously two nights later, you had this other dream and the Chiluminati were wondering if maybe the two are related. Night of December. Maybe not. Night of December 6th. Yeah, maybe not. Was that some sort of outdoor social event and gathering? I get approached by Elon Musk threatening to tweet something bad about me because of my opinions about him.

I assured him that I was not tweeting anything bad about him and showed him my phone. He calmed down and we beed about something while I looked around. You have to worry about it anymore. There's like nobody on Twitter anymore. So he killed that place. He tweeted about him. All the comedians are gone. Is that right?

Where are they posting blue sky? Or where is that? I don't, I think that there's, I don't know what it's going on in a central place anymore. Then kind of, it kind of got scattered. Yeah, there's way too many now. Frankly, I'm fine with it. I'm excited.

Decentralize social media. Let's go. I feel like being on social media and follow me here is kind of like trying to return a Komodo dragon to the zoo. I like that. Yes. It's a non-starter. I genuinely became a happier person when I removed TikTok from my phone like a year ago. Please tell me that the dream of 1231 New Year's is gonna be brought up later. It is not because it was long, but if you wanna like tell it. I will tell without,

because it has to do with my mom coming back again. All right. This is the night of New Year's Eve, December 31st. I am in line for some event with my mom. My mom shows up again. Something semi-posh with circular tables and chairs like you see at a gala or a wedding reception. In line to greet

us is the former president and always con man Donald Trump. My mom asked if she wants to have my picture taken with him. I say, wouldn't you rather have your picture taken since she probably voted for him. We then sit down at a round table in the back before moving to a stadium concert style seating for a showing of Jesus Christ Superstar. I believe- No, Trump would not be a bad show. I believe I had heard this show mentioned earlier in the week, question mark.

So maybe, my mind. Okay. So we are sitting there and someone hits a baseball up to us, which I catch. Transition to us being back at a round table and people are giving out little stocking stuff or style gifts to each other like cards and mini board games. Frank is now there and gets a deck of cards not playing cards. But he says he does not have the other pieces

and board to use with it. So we cannot play and that's where the dream is. What's going on there? So Frank is Pat's like friend from around the block, right? That's basically just for them for the for the odd listener. He's known as like my doc brand of my, my videos basically. Yeah. He's like older guy from New Jersey. Yeah. Older hippie from Jersey. Okay. Sorry. That was like a two part with my mom's not dream as well. That's hilarious. That was great. What is going on here? You're at, you're at, I feel like you're equating like a sports game with a show. Like

maybe there's something about the essence. No, I believe at the, right before the mission, Joseph, he's just, it's a home run. Right. Yeah. It's a, it's a Louisville slugger. Superstar part. Yeah. The grand slam. He got five runs for his grand slam somehow, but the people on the base, they represent our souls guys. Okay. And the home. That's awesome. Damn. Uh, damn. All 12 of his teammates made it back. It was great. You know, that feeling, right of being like in a crowd of people, I feel like there's like a liminal, I feel like there's like a liminal, uh,

element to a lot of the experiences that we do as humans that are hard for us to grok. And as a kid, those things can be very basic things, like going to the bathroom at a grocery store, and you walk through those big double doors, and suddenly you're in the ugly part of the grocery store that's got the loading dock and some guy like, ugh, and the old bakery goods on the side, and you try to walk to the bathroom,

and you're six years old old and for like ever now like The back room of a grocery store will like mystify you a little bit Like I feel like maybe there's something to the feeling of being in a crowd of people that can be somewhat Overwhelming you want to like tell us some then anything happened the back of a weird grocery store one time to you that you just know No, not at all What do you mean what what do you mean, what do you mean? I don't think about the back of a grocery store where an old man hacks and coughs

and is a weird, dangerous place. I never once thought of the back of a grocery store to be that place. Or what about like when you're driving through the downtown district and it's nighttime and there's no one there and you look outside your car and you're like, what the fuck is that place place you know what a liminal space is right it's just like a place that you don't understand what it is when you're too young to understand

what it is and it just sticks out in your mind everybody has weird ones I always mentioned the bathroom in a grocery store because it's a common one for people because it's like a place you can go in a grocery store but it's just like weird and it doesn't make sense with the rest of the grocery store if you're like eight. But I feel like there's something to crowds like that. I feel like there's something kind of anxiety inducing about crowds. I feel like there's something anxiety inducing about being in a round table with relatives. I don't know, something like that. Maybe some sort of essence of just a lot of overwhelming thoughts peppering you at once. Let's jump back over to the subreddit.

We got another dream from Turbulent. This is a recurring dream from Turbulent Pitch. This is going to be from Mathis to read. I have a recurring dream that I've had for at least 15 years. It sticks with me because it hardly ever changes. I'm laying in a dirt coffin. I'm looking from the bottom where the dirt is flat. There's shovels of dirt being thrown onto me. I can't speak and I can't move. My vision zooms in

on the people surrounding the dirt coffin hole and everyone is turned around. Everyone that is around the coffin hole is just chucking the dirt on me from over their shoulder. Once my site is completely covered, I wake up. The only thing that ever changes is the people that are shoveling dirt. I don't know who they are, I can never recognize them. I wake up in a panic, which takes a while for me to calm down. I can't really classify it as being a death dream because I'm quite sure I'm not dead in the dream.

I would love to know what anybody thinks of this. Wow. Can I interpret it in one word? Sure. FOMO. Fear of missing out, yeah, okay. Fear of missing out, really? Hmm. Fear of missing out. Really? You're in the grave. You can't get out of the grave. You're looking from the bottom. You're down

in the grave and people are just throwing dirt on you. You can't talk. You can't move. You can't see who's throwing the dirt on you. You're being ignored by somebody for sure. You can't tell who it is. It's shutting you out. It's putting you away, but you're not dead. They're making it very clear that this isn't a death dream for them. They're saying, this is just a sensation. This is like something that I'm alive and experiencing. And I feel like one way of looking at it is like a FOMO vibe. You could take that idea and take the idea of missing out to, because it changes

every time, right? There's different people throwing the dirt. It could be that it's a fear that, you know, different friends group or different people are moving on without you. And you have no say in that, which could also be FOMO kind of- Do you have sleep apnea? Check for that as well. Whoa.

What does that mean? Sleep apnea? Oh, I, it's a- No, I mean, I know what's the bad news I fucking had it recently. It was like I started having a dream like I had a terrifying dream that made me wake up In a panic and I realized I was like gasping for breath at the same time I thought I was really fucking scared and then it happened again and I was told I've been snoring which is like a new thing I haven't often snored before but I have been for the past like year or so and

snoring, which is like a new thing. I haven't often snored before, but I have been for the past like year or so. And the dreams are coinciding with my body waking me up because I'm not breathing. Cause that's what sleep apnea is, is just like. Interesting. You're almost dying. Sleep apnea means you're almost dying.

Yeah, you need to fucking get up. What about the people throwing the dirt though? I saw this as like, you're disconnected from something happening in your life. Like that's the way I look at it. Like, sure. You're not seeing the faces of the people you're being covered up. I feel like obviously you're in a hole. You want to get out. I feel like there's some disconnect happening in this person's life or low

self-esteem. Like you're putting yourself underneath, like you're, your life is out of your control kind of deal. That's all. That's all as far as I'm going to interpret that one. Yeah. That's a kind of scary one. I, 15 years is a long time to have a recurring dream. Being buried alive, man. That's just scary in and of itself. We got another one from our test subject, Pat Contri here.

One thing that the Chaluminati wanted me to point out was the prevalence of celebrities and brand names found in his dreams from here on out. We're catching up to the present now. Here's another one from Pat, bing bong bing. Night of March 8th. I was a younger student in some prep slash Catholic school. I was walking around in a bus talking to a student and I saw my handyman there

who was acting as a teacher slash coach. Later I'm walking around an area with a bunch of students and Richard Belzer shows up playing a teacher and saying that I have to avoid drama and that I'm only looking out for myself. I answered that I always had the best interests of a certain person at heart. At this point I felt it was like I was acting as a character in a TV drama. So I walk up the hill of a street where I grew up, a reoccurring location over the years in my dreams,

and I see a younger Rosario Dawson, who was a student at the school. Here, she was aged like a high schooler. I asked her if everything was all right, but she kept about 15 feet away and said not to get closer since she looked bad and didn't have makeup on. I told her she was being silly

and she took a step back as I tried to get closer. An alternate part of the dream had me walking around some flea market or fair event. I walked inside a trailer shop and there was an elderly couple selling electronic devices. They showed me a small colored ball that worked off some, some form of magnetism where it projected itself and then would fly back to you. Like almost like an automatic boomerang, but it's a ball. They showed me a demo video of someone using it in the desert. It seems like a nice toy.

And that was it. I must stress this. I must stress this. If there was ever anyone on planet earth who could show up in your dreams, detective munch would be the guy to do it. I must stress that man crossed television shows. He can do anything. Real quick, Rosario Dawson, before I get in trouble, I have a, like

she's on my crush list, Rosario Dawson. We shared the same birthday. I have a signed Rosario Dawson comic. You don't need to explain this to anyone. I'm just saying that's where that comes from. That's nothing like if I, I will shoot my shot with Rosario Dawson, I ever meet her and get dragged away by security. Like that.

I would applaud it. Frank actually talked to Rosario Dawson at Comic-Con back when you could still like talk to celebrities without them getting mobbed in like the mid 2000s. I was not there if I had, I would again, would have been dragged away by security. That's an aside. The electronic toy thing is interesting. Obviously I like the retro games, the flea markets, that sort of its own thing. I did go to a show where he goes to flea markets, by the way, and like shops at flea markets. It was, it was, it was like one of the first ever shows of his kind, like going out and buying shit flea market madness, going back

like 2009, 10. So that makes sense. Right. Um, Richard Belzer is interesting, but I always see every month or two on YouTube or Twitter, the clip when he hosted a show, when Hulk Hogan put him in a face lock and knocked him out and dropped him on his head, cracked his head open, and he sued the WWF for millions of dollars. So that always replays, like it gets shown to me every couple of months.

Have you seen that clip? You never saw that clip, Alex? I did not know that that occurred. That sounds impossible. No, it happened. Algorithms are so fucking unique to you now. So this happened, this was like one of the rockin' wrestling era. This is pre-Wrestlemania era 80, 45 when they were just getting national with Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T. He was on Richard

Belzer's late night show with Mr. T. And he brings up, oh, it was wrestling fake. And Hogan's like, you know, I'll show you a real wrestling move. And Richard Belzer really stupidly agrees to this. And he puts them in a guillotine choke front face lock while they're standing up. He like Richard Belzer was knocked out within like eight seconds. Hogan stupidly drops him. So he goes head first into the ground, smacks his head is concussed, somehow gets up says, we'll be right back. And somehow it was like it was like instinct, but you can see the blood

coming down his head and then he sued and got like a million dollars back then. Like 40 years ago, part of the brain where it becomes to just say, we'll be right back as instinct. Do you think that's why he's in this dream? Or do you see him as like an authority figure who would give you advice? No, I never looked up to Richard Belzer. He does fine as, as detective munch. I just think it's one of those things where like he, I could picture

him being a high school teacher though. I like, I had high school teachers with that personality. No, absolutely. Was that, was that gruff yet kind-ish personality? But yeah, that happens. So maybe you're just seeing your, your early life as a movie. Maybe you're like, kind of like rewriting your life into like the OC. I am really curious about the handyman bit because the handyman coach thing,

do you, your hand, you talk to this guy, like, does he offer you sagely advice? No, but he's very friendly and I play poker with him. And like, he kind of has the demeanor of like, he'd be like a kindly high school teacher that also coached like the basketball team. So I'm like, oh, he kind of, does he ever give you inspirational speeches that definitely are from a movie? No, but, no, but he's like a kinder guy, like in his sixties that I'm friends with. I'm just like, sure. It makes sense. I didn't, this is, this is now going into my psyche. This is a therapy session. I didn't have a lot of positive. I was about to say a positive male role model. Yeah.

I did not have them growing up. I did not have a, like a lot of positive male role models older, like, so it's like, well, this guy could have been, if I was like, you know, a high schooler, that's a good, like a coach five. It makes perfect sense. Yeah. Sure. Maybe Rosario Dawson is the magnetism ball.

Don't solely Rosario Dawson in my mind. Don't, in the flea market of life, in the flea market of life, maybe Rosario Dawson is just that floating boomerang magnetism ball. That's the thing for men in black that goes touch it and bounces all over the place. Right? Oh yeah. Dude, I forgot about that. This one's called get ready for it.

My recurring ballerina werewolf dream. I am already in. Here we go. I, I'm so ready. Hello all! The following is a description of a rather short dream that I had many times as a child. In the dream, I would always be around age seven or eight, and it would start with my mom leading me by the arm through a double... a set of double doors. Instinctively, I would know that I was being led into a ballet studio because my mom thought it would be a good extracurricular activity for me. I was not pleased at all to be there,

because I didn't really like dancing and it's my time 7-8 year old brain thought ballet was for girls. Despite my feelings, I was still pulled inside the ballet studio, which looked more like your average school gymnasium and encountered the only other two people present besides my mother and I. Another adult woman, who I assumed was the ballet instructor, and a little girl standing next to her wearing the classic pink tutu getup. They stood at complete opposite end of the studio in a sort of mirrored stance to my mother and I, and neither party made any move to close the distance. As my mother and the instructor started speaking across the long echoing expanse of the studio, I locked eyes with the little girl. I don't think I thought anything was off about her, but we just locked

eyes and my mother's conversation kind of fades out. Then, moments later, the little girl transforms almost instantly into some kind of werewolf creature with shredded pink tutu still around its waist. The werewolf girl brutalizes the ballet instructor in a ludicrously fast Tasmanian devil-esque fashion and then crosses the length of the studio in the blink of an eye and lunges for me. I don't know where my mom goes, I think she just disappears after the werewolf transformation happens, but I'm not sure. The length between the girls transformation and her lunging at me is maybe two seconds

total. I typically wake up immediately after the lunge occurs, but sometimes I think it just triggered the next dream to start. I had this dream many times randomly throughout my childhood with it starting to happen less and less into my teen years. It last occurred during high school, but felt more like my brain doing a greatest hits dream rather than a dream show rather than the true actual dream. Um, if that makes any sense, feel free to read this on the pod because I'd love a Jesse interpretation. Oh man. I got it right here. I got it right here for you.

I mean, I would, I would feel, I would feel like the idea of the, let me go back to the beginning. Was this actually a thing that you did? You actually went to ballet or dream? This is something that would just happen in the dream. Cause I feel like maybe the monster represents the way you feel towards ballet as it being like a threatening thing or something that is scary. If you come up, if you become a ballerina, you, you know, like the, the werewolf will, you know, like you get bit by the werewolf, you turn into a

werewolf, you start taking ballet classes, you will turn into a ballet monster as well. I mean, it's also could be the line here that when I was seven or eight, I thought that ballet was just for girls. It could also be like, if I take ballet, I will become some sort of monster kind of thing. I'm not taking it as literal as ballet. I think the ballet is a stand in for something larger. Um, it's something maybe sure. Their life is, is there, they're being dragged in a direction of

life that they don't want to be, or they're, they're out in control of. And then the obviously something lashes out could be there., their real feelings about what they're going through. So that's how I see that. Yeah. I feel like ballet, especially for like a seven or eight year old boy, it depends on when you grew up too. If you grew up in the eighties, ballet is like a boy was no way. Yeah.

And so I would imagine that, yeah, it could be a stand in for something that is equally as not just scary, but something that you think would change how you define yourself completely, almost change you into a monster like that kind of vibe. You have it as a recurring dream, right? It's probably because it, especially like something that was like often in your youth and like less as you get older, as you get to be a more independent person, you know, like maybe just that, that leash being lengthened is kind of cool and kind of the thing that's making the dream go away.

You know what I mean? I like that dream. I mean, I don't know. It's, it's horrifying to go through, but I like that premise. That's a nice, interesting premise. It's a nice, straightforward analysis, right? I like that one. Nice creative dream.

Yeah. This, speaking of creative dreams, we're going gonna close out the show that I was required to present by my mysterious relaxed yet unseen overlords We have one last dream from our test subject Pat was which was recorded just last week So let's see what's going on with that one night of March 20th, 2024 I'm in a car going down a hill on the left side of the street There was a car parked there in front of me for some reason down a hill on the left side of the street. There's a car parked there in front of me for some reason down the hill. I cannot turn the wheel and for some reason I'm freezing when trying to push the brake with my foot. I apply the

handbrake but I'm ready to slam into the car but then it gently stops as it hits the car. I get out of the car bewildered. Some old guy across the street comments something that I cannot remember. I walk a little bit away from the car and street. I am now in a hotel hallway on the outskirts of a giant hotel lobby with big plants and maybe a waterfall or something else in the center of the structure. Picture guys, like a big hotel, but on the outskirts there's like all around it. There's like rooms on the bottom floor. I've seen hotels like this in Vegas. There are. So that's where I'm at basically something like that. So I'm waiting there at this hotel, the asterisk of the hotel lobby. It's like hallways.

It's all younger ish men waiting in this hotel lobby. It turns out this building is the inside of some sort of JC Penny. And everyone is waiting for the store to open. It turns out this is a department store I'm in. Uh, they're waiting for the store to open. It turns out this is a department store I'm in. They're waiting for the store to open since they're waiting to buy the Nintendo Switch remastered NBA hang time. I get it though. I get the wave. Very realistic. My cousin is there who I used to talk to about retro video games and go to flea markets with back in New Jersey. I'm wondering how I missed

out on this pre-order and I don't think I'll be able to buy one due to the demand. I am now in the hotel lobby, which is a little bit away from the hallway, at a long table with chairs on one side. I sit at the chair at the end of the table next to a woman with dark hair right to my left. I'm afraid to even look at her to see what she really looks like,

let alone talk to her. So I look down at my cellphone the whole time. An announcement is made over some sort of like loudspeaker, last call for boarding or something. I turned to her and she says, look at me, well, goodbye. And I smiled back at her and that's it. I bet you that was Rosario Dawson. It was a white lady. I would have talked to Rosario. Next I encounter, this is like to the left of the table, next I encounter two business women in their 50s-ish discussing the NBA hang time release and how they are in trouble. Apparently they worked for Nintendo and could not produce or procure enough physical copies since they didn't order enough of the small little Switch memory

cards. I say to them, how did you not order enough? You knew this game was coming and was going to be a big hit. They just shrug their shoulders at me. Very realistic pat comment. Now I'm at a TV playing slash watching a demo of this new NBA hang time game. The animation seems more fluid, but it's really the same game. They reveal a new character to the game game a special character, which is Santa Claus He arrives in a separate screen picture a separate cutscene on a small train

The train was like moving away from me like at any other station But it's like a children's train that Santa's riding on like when you see in the mall. He's too big He's way too big for the train. It's pulling into the station He's now he's and he's drawing a 30s slash 40s Warner Brothers cartoon, like a cuphead vibe or like a lunatic lunates, like Warner Brothers. So he's drawing like 30s, four and he's a 40s Warner Brothers cartoon. Now I'm watching him on the court, hooping and dunking. Like I'm playing it next to someone playing it because you know, NBA jam and hang time, special characters. So that, that literally was last night. Incredible.

That's a great dream. You know what this reminds me of? Like, just like Pat, the reason I know Pat is cause we go way back on the like retro circuit. Like back in the day, like our summers were just like going to a lot of conventions, uh, in the middle of the country, mostly gaming conventions and, uh, like retro one specifically. And the vibe, if you haven't been to one, you might not know what this is like because the retro conventions are not like packs East or something like that. They're, they're just in general, like a smaller size situation.

And it's very like casual. You can like hang out. We're very much more the main reason people are there at the convention at these conventions sometimes when it was a longer time ago when we were kind of like younger content creators you know like people would like look at us in the lobby and we'd be in the lobby till late in the night talking about video games and a lot of people and I don't know something about something about this whole situation

Feels like specifically like the fucking lobby of the hotel in Arlington, Texas, next to the fucking Texas ranger stadium. I don't know why. That's not a bad sort of like interpretation of it. It's, it really is not. Um, but obviously the NBA hang time thing is because I've been working on a dentists before book for over three years now and it's dominated my life. And I actually wrote the NBA hang time review. It's a five star game. Spoilers. It's, it's dominated my life and I actually wrote the NBA hang time review it's a five-star game spoilers it's a fine game it's better than NBA Jam yeah I'll give it well it's it's it's it's the real spiritual

sequel with the same Midway team from NBA NBA Jam Tournament Edition a claim that acquired the NBA Jam name by that point ruined it with their games on the N64 and PlayStation that aside aside, I can explain that. I'm not so sure about the woman sitting next to me that I was afraid to look at. That's that's what was sort of interesting to me. I got it. I have I have an explanation for this. OK, so like another thing about retro conventions is that the on the creator side,

it's still a very like on the creator side it's still a very like penisey place like it's very like sausage fest vibes I would say a lot of the like a lot of the vibe in like the retro scene is like a little bit more it's a little bit more like how gaming used to feel before it became something that crossed gender lines so so so well

they're like you know games for boys not girls kind of vibe is like not, I'm not saying that as a blanket statement across, I just feel like that energy is more present because it's about a time in video gaming where that was the vibe. And maybe the maybe maybe kind of like being in that culture, maybe, you know, there being a like a mature woman next to you with a real job who's like God she's businesswoman You know, maybe you don't want to like maybe you don't want to like reveal this side of your love yourself to reading my notes I never said she was a business woman say next to me that was mature and I was know that I think you're throwing her

interpretation. Oh, I'm mixing. I'm just mixing. I'm just mixing the two mix it up you there are other a woman with dark hair hair that's actually interesting because Um my my last ex did know all about my game collection and stuff However, there was a woman that I went on a date with back when I lived in new jersey Where on our second date we came back to my garden apartments and she saw my shelves of games and said to me Almost almost directly in quotes. Wow, this is some 40 year old version stuff. Never saw her again, but I'm not that I'd be, but like most women wouldn't be like that anymore. This was, this was like 2000. That was like 2006. So yeah, sure. But man, I mean, like, I don't know something about it. And

then the fact that like, while you're there trying to talk to this woman, try to look this woman, you get a boarding call announcement, which is like another thing that's like in the summer we used to do like 12 conventions in like five months. I don't even know how the hell we used to do that, but we were just go all over the place. I've, I've, I've gone to conventions like exactly like this with Pat in Norway. Like it is, it is crazy. What about Santa? What's your termination of Santa being a, a playable Santa? Here's, here's my interpretation of Santa. Santa is exactly the fucking type of character that would be in fucking NBA Hangtime. If I didn't have the money to license a fucking character,

I wanted to put a character. If I wanted to put, if I didn't have the money to license a character and I want to put a new character at NBA Hangtime, you bet your fucking ass I would put Santa and he better, and he fucking would show up on a tiny TV. He would show up on a tiny TV. He fucking would. And if I put on big head mode show up on a tiny fucking wood.

And if I put on big head mode, that shit would look funnier. I do not think Santa was in it. Obviously some more combat characters were in a lot of the people from midway. I I'm looking for, I'm looking for Santa control F on game facts. And I don't see Santa showing up. So Santa could have fucking been in there. I'm telling you, he should have been in there. I mean, great in this, if you're going to bring Hank time to switch, you got to put Santa in there.

No, no, I want to remaster version, but that that is something I thought about why we haven't had last NBA Jam update was like 11 years ago. I remember a peanut butter gamer won a contest so he could write something that the announcer would say. Oh yeah. Wow. I forget what he said, but it was damn I'm old man. That's that's that's that's that's our show today. I forget what he said, but it was damn, I'm old man. That's, that's, that's, that's our show today. I really, I really had a good time doing this. I, I've been talking to Pat about this type of stuff for a while now. I want to tease that, that also he has prophecies and his family has latent psychic abilities. Wait a second. I,

I think you went way over forth with what I was explaining to you. He's got dire prophetic visions of the future that we all need to be worried about what he says in them because he's seen some shit. I'm just kidding. I had one prophetic dream. I thought I was going to be able to, okay, next time I get it. No, let's, let's, uh, no, no, no, that isn't this episode at all. Those are the other episodes that were connected to this episode, but this isn't that episode He said in the beginning There's no twist. There's no twist

What are you talking about? There's no twist. Why is it always a twist? What a question for you why it's always a twist with you. So, you know, we're confused This was just a check this news have M Night Shyamalan does so much We expect the twist and the fact we're not getting one is a disappointment weird cuz like guys I got the twist. It's not as satisfying as we used to Know what I agree, but now but without the twist. It's like less. I don't know. I don't feel Now we're just sad. So so you're saying that Alex is in his like avatar portion is and I show that was the Greenstone trilogy Was the thing that the Airbender Oh last airbender avatar

Yeah, that's the one for the split era of Alex or pass lady in the water Pat tell everybody where they can find you how to get themselves a copy of a certain ultimate Nintendo Guidebook including the upcoming ultimate Nintendo guide to the N 64 library, which is out when this summer right sometime this year Yeah, so so you can follow me on Twitter if people are still there at pathy nes punk Ultimate Nintendo Guide to the N64 Library, which is out when? This summer, right? Sometime this year? Yeah, so you can follow me on Twitter if people are still there, at pathienespunk.com also. You know, I got a podcast with my partner Ian

that completely unnecessary podcast. We're doing it for over 10 years. One of the OG gaming podcasts, you can say, independent ones. And yeah, this will be my third Nintendo Guidebook coming out. I've done an NES one, a Super Nintendo one, and now an N64 one coming out in the summer. And you can find them all at ultimatenintendo.com.

And Alex wrote a nice article for it. He actually wrote two, but I had to leave one out because it was too bizarre. One of them was too weird. What was too weird for the book? I don't know, man. I don't know what to, cause like there is no restraints on too weird for Alex on Chaluminati So I'm curious how weird it was it was No, it was a totally deadpan writing of like Investigation by an X files type organization about weird things happening in n64 games, but he did it like seriously Oh that was a case number see this that's that was him doing what you're not.

He told him to do just by like he had to do it because this is his job, but I'm starting to think there is no Chiluminati. This might all just be Alex losing his mind. I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm not sure about that, but I'm pretty sure there's a real Chiluminati because the most chill seems like a really cool guy. And I, you know, like, I don't know, that's just, I'm into that.

You in codes. Do you have to go on weird websites to find out information about it? No, we just get chili bowls, saltines. You've met, you've met, you've met him? I think so. Dude, a chili bowl should be weed. It shouldn't be fucking actually chili. No, that's what it means. It's a bowl. Chili bowls, that's what we call it. We call it a chili bowl. It's a sesh. A bonze deal with chili. Oh, I'm going to try, yeah, we smoked that chili straight up. Nope straight to the dome

Where we going to go do right now Alex? What am I gonna go do right now? I'm gonna go Continue researching my six hour long zodiac killer episode. That's how I'm gonna do going to a mini soda over at patreon.com 90 pod Cool. Thank you so much everybody. We will see you next week, we love you, appreciate you, goodbye. Bye! Thank you. Bye.

Hello everybody, welcome back to the Jaluma Naughty Podcast. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by the... I don't know who they are! There's two... What? Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer No! Neo and Trinity No!

I don't understand and I probably never will Let me just tell you right now that there's two... Leon Kennedy and Claire Redfield I'm telling you, I think he literally just looked up famous duos, and has been going through the list ever since. I'm trying to dig deep. Which one of you is Dick Powell? Me? Your name's Jesse Cox! I want your Illuminati to the Jaluminati Podcast.

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