Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 253 - The Brother-Cousins Harpe: Monsters of the Frontier

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the Chiluminati Podcast episode 253. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined today by the Gengar and Gasly of LA, Jesse and Alex. Thank you. Where on earth could you have gotten that from? That is so- You know, percolating in the mind. There was a pure improv off top my butt dome piece.

Right, right. But who is who? Who's gasoline? Who's Gengar? Yeah. No in between. You know what? There's just the first and the last. Yeah. Who's yeah. I mean, Alex, I'm gonna need you to make the call on this. Oh, that's so yeah. Who's the evolved form of the other one? That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't know what to do here. I think that your mischievous nature is makes you a shoe-in for Gengar, Jesse Mmm, what is this Gengar do anything cool? He's one of the most like viable good powerful Pokemon in the middle I don't know. I don't mean viable. I mean like you didn't do anything cool. He hangs out with ash when ash dies once

Yeah, he lives inside shadows. He can like go inside your dreams. It's pretty good, right? But then what does ghastly do? Why do you want to be ghastly so bad ghastly's chill? He's kind of invisible. He's kind good. Right, but then what does Gastly do? Why do you want to be Gastly so bad? Gastly's chill. He's kind of invisible. He's kind of just, he's kind of low key. He keeps it low key, low energy. Why is he better than Gengar? Less drama. Touché.

Less drama. He's smaller. He's smaller. He's less evolved, but he has less drama. He leads a simple life. Right. Right. That's it. Right.

Less evolved doesn't mean worse. It just means more simple. He's just a little gassy. He's a little gassy boy He's a little gassy boy just like me when I have some sauerkraut for lunch I thought you're gonna segue to patreon from that one. I have now patreon.com slash Illuminati pod is the place that you can go today. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something You don't have to go to this website That's the that's the thing that's so crazy about this. You know, we can talk about it as much as we want. The point is this is how we fund it. You still, the, the, the deal is you get to hear this for free. This is, we, we make

this for you. This is nothing but just me letting you know that you can go to patreon.com slash Slyman, it pod. And if you want, if you like this and you're like, you know what, and you're like, you know what, I have a couple extra bucks like in my budget that I want to like put towards this to ensure that this fine show continues to get made forever. You know what I mean? That's all we're saying. If you, if that thought has occurred to you independently head on down and you know what good news in return, there's some freebies there.

I'm not even going to get into them because it's not about them. You know what I mean? It's just about helping us out I just want to make sure Jesse heard that this was forever. I don't like that forever in in Forever forever ever forever as long as we can continue Yeah, and I don't even want to think about how long ago that song came out because that was a long time ago, too forever forever ago forever ever ago But seriously guys, we just we're really thankful for everybody who's ever supported us on patreon It's really just people who like it and want it to keep going and that's what it's all about And I don't want it to get twisted just because we give away cool stuff to people who support us like a tote bag from PBS

You can't see it because there's no video, but Jesse pulled down his pants, mooned into the camera and is slipping you off. So he's not appreciative. That's pure Gengar though. That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm, yeah. It's true.

It's Gengar activity. It is Gengar activity. But it wasn't like, here's the thing. It wasn't a moon pulled out. It was full, it was full dong. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't moon the camera. I just hung dong.

He just got on the camera. There's no slang for dong in the camera egg planting the camera I gave yeah the full eggplant full eggplant eggplant parmesan the camera He gave it a be he gave it a he gave it the old eggplant parm He gave it the old eggplant arm damn right I did I hate that Also, there's a Gengar like what are these called squish mellowmallows? There's a Gengar Squishmallow visible on my webcam. That's why Mathis said Gengar. Wow, way to ruin the mystique

of the audio-only entertainment that we have here. 40 seconds prior. You can't see it because there's no video, but Jesse pulled down his pants, mooted the camera, and is slipping you off, so he's not appreciative. It's the only time I've ever known where you're getting these names from.

It's the only time ever. All right, well, I guess that's out of the way. Should we fucking talk about the episode today? Should we get into the topic, gentlemen? Yeah. Okay, let's talk about it. ever known where you're getting these names from. It's the only time ever. All right, well, I guess that's out of the way. Should we fucking talk about the episode today? Should we get into the topic, gentlemen? Yeah. Okay, let's talk about it. We did a bunch of aliens,

and we did a bunch of true crime prior, and we're gonna go back to true crime, but we're not doing Zodiac as true crime. We're doing everybody's favorite, the Wild West frontier times of when violence was everywhere. So in order to be a notably violent person, you had to be extra violent to be like, Oh, that dude's bad. I feel like you've invented like a genre somehow. Like I like,

you know, like, credit for sure. Like when Drive came out in like 2011, or every year was we're like, Oh, yeah, there was like this kind of like 80s vibe that was like part of the 80s. That's like this new vibe. And you're like, there's like a vibe within serial killers of these weird unhinged, like almost like Paul Bunyan style tall tales that you like keep like hitting with a bow and arrow right in the bullseye. I don't know where you're finding them all, but I feel like in order to be like a story or known from this time, you really had to do something fucking insane. Like, yeah,

maybe the wild west was just straight up that fucked up. Cause people were getting shot all the time out that time. Like people were dying from getting shot constantly. That wasn't news. News was like the Kentucky cannibal going through, like living through the wilderness and shooting, like stabbing his cousin little Barry shoot and running off. Like, that's the insane shit. And that we're working on a giant pot of beans fell down the side of a mountain and buried a town and boiled beans. And that's just now it's part

of the town's history. And that's what they make the tourism money off of nowadays. Yeah. So today we're actually going to be talking about what is a lot of people consider the very first documented us serial killers, people that were the serial killers that were the first like arrested and, and we'll talk about whether he was arrested, but noted in the papers of history and known entities at the time. We're going to be talking about two Scottish immigrants from the mid 18th century. One Mika Jha, AKA Mickey, Harp and the other being Wiley, little quote unquote HarA. Mickey, Harp and the other being Wiley,

Little, quote unquote Harp. Mickey and Wiley will be the two that we will. The Harp brothers? The Harp brothers, correct. Now, it's arguable because again, this is time, they were brothers or cousins, we don't know. They are often referred to as brothers, but there is evidence that they may be cousins

and they're coming from, again, Scotland. They immigrated to the U S from Scotland. They were born before 1768. We think the eldest was somewhere in the night, 1748, 49 ish is when he was likely born due to what we know about his age moving forward. But again, all that stuff is say that again. Wait, say that one more time. What year? So 1748, 1748 to 1749 is when the eldest was born.

He immigrated to the US in 1768-ish. Before the creation of the United States. Correct. He's actually directly involved in the Revolutionary War, which we'll be talking about. Holy schmoles. That's how fucking far back we are reeling back. You're not saying serial killer in the sense that like, it is a serial killer.

It's like they didn't say that, but you're saying like it was like a media frenzy of like these guys on the loose that were killing people over and over again. Everyone was aware of innocent people over and over again of all ages and like, yeah, absolutely. Correct. It was in the news. They didn't call it or use the word serial killer. Again, that word didn't come until 1960s. This is just the first documented of like people who seem to go around killing for the fucking fun of it, whatever weird perversions they got out of it. Yeah. So Mickey and Wiley, Mickey and Wiley were their two names.

I keep want to call him little because I have downwritten his little friend there. But yeah, they were born and raised out in Scotland immigrated to the US somewhere in the late 1760s early 1770s no later than 1770 And they were raised at a time where having a religious fervor was commonplace at the time But they were also raised to be Unwaveringly loyal to the British crown that they were complete die-, like what do you call, monarchists, I guess you would read the word.

Their father was a stern devout man, as far as we know from what they would say, and instilled in them what they considered a rigid moral code and a deep-seated disdain for those who dare challenge the established order of things that the monarchy had had a hold of for so long at this point. So we're talking about literally like historical ass figures at this point. Like this is like a, like a mindset that is not in modern society anymore. Really? Correct. We, yeah, exactly. For these guys, like moving to the frontier ended up bringing on a life of obviously hardship, just trying to survive out there.

There was just a lot of wilderness. I'll put it this way. They were big fans of living in caves. What? Yeah, we'll get to that. When they moved here and were living in the frontier instead of What do you mean you'll put it this way? Staying within villages or towns, they found themselves out in caves and enjoying They're like cave people? They were cavemen.

Harry cavemen Harry Harry Mathis are you are you is this real are you making this up? No, and we got quote we got some quotes from the time about talking about revolutionary war cave hobos Yes, we are absolutely yes. Yes a hundred percent. We're talking about murdering revolutionary war cave hobos from Scotland That is correct, sir, who may be brothers and who may be cousins. Maybe they're brother cousins. Is it possible? Brothers?

Brothers? That's when you're both? Cothers? Dude. Cothers. Under the covers, dude. They were, luckily though, they were already kind of skilled. Skilled hunters, fishermen, providing sustenance for themselves and whatnot was not very difficult.

They weren't like the gold rush people who would go from cities and go out into the wilderness and be like, I'll find gold and be fine. And then they don't realize how difficult it is to survive out there and die very quickly. Again, that's Kentucky Cannibal part of that story. So they learned to navigate the dense forest, track wild game, read subtle signs of nature. They really became mountain men in a lot of ways. The Harp brothers also learned the importance of self-reliance on themselves and resourcefulness.

With the helps of their father as kids, they learned how to plant crops, clear land, build shelter, mend and repair tools, fences, care for livestock. Okay, wait a minute, they're starting to sound cool. Hold on. You know, sometimes really evil peoples can start off Sounding cool until they like take the turn. I don't know what they I don't know what I don't know what they've done

Yeah, sure fair fair so far. They just seem really self-reliant Yeah, their education wasn't limited as practical skills. Their father was a devoutly religious man As I said, so he also taught them to read and write use the Bible as and used the Bible the Bible as their primary textbook, which again, isn't really uncommon, I think, for that time. Where do you learn the math in there? How do you learn? One plus God equals anything. Damn, dude. Through God, all things are possible. There's your answer. Oh, nice. Checkmate, atheists.

I see you guys have used the Bible as your textbook as well. Oh, yeah. So, wait, so you're telling me these guys are like, uh, what was that? What's the Robert Redford mover? Jeremiah, Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah. This is basically these guys. Who was that? Dude, they're not in GIF the literal, like the nod, like, oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Except like the 1700s unclean trim version of them. Is there any visual of these guys? I'm a vision. I'm envisioning like some hairy motherfuckers governing like shit with clubs. Well lucky for you We actually have physical descriptions of what they looked like

Thanks to the second governor of Kentucky James Garand who issued or garand issued a government proclamation on April 22nd 1799 after a lot of the crimes that could have been committed and he was able to he declared a $300 reward for their apprehension and deliver was able to, he declared a $300 reward for their apprehension and deliverance back to Danville, Kentucky for trial, and here's what they looked like. Mickey was about six feet high of robust make

and is about 30 or 32 years of age. He is an ill-looking, downcast countenance, and his hair is black and short, but comes very much down to his forehead He is built very straight and his full fleshed in the face when he went away He had a striped Nanking coat dark blue woolen woolen stockings leggings of drab cloth and trousers of the same coat So that was the older brother. He's a Walton Goggins character. Basically kind of yeah Yeah, a Nanking, by the way,

if you need me to link you what that is. I'll take it. Very old timey, you're gonna be like, oh yeah, okay. You new boys can describe this to them. Here, I'm linking you right now. Oh, it's, okay. It's very posh.

It's what you think of when you think of kind of the... It's like a Bridgerton. Aristocrats. It's like a Bridgerton suit. Yes, exactly, Alex, yes. Like what you wear when you wear a suit now, except in Bridgerton times. Like that sort of like high society, sort of like long tails. Yep.

Like you almost look like a bug, kind of like. So yeah. Suit with it that maybe you'll wear like a little top hat with. Yep. Like a little like the good guy version of Jack the Ripper. Yeah, the six foot tall mountain man of a build, like a short black hair was wearing that coat, some, uh, blue, dark blue woolen stockings, leggings of drab cloth and trousers of the same, of the same as the coat.

And then he'd walk his ass into a cave. Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. So you're telling me this guy looks kind of normal for the time. I'm let down by this. Hold on. Is his brother like those two hyenas from the Lion King? Yeah. The younger brother, Wiley Harp is very meager. He thinks he's Wiley? And he better be crazy looking. Wiley Harp is very meager in his

face, has short black hair, but not quite so curly as his brothers. He looks older, though really younger, and has likewise a downcast countenance. He had on a coat of- Wait, what do you mean he looks older, but really younger? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's what they said in the little clipping. He had a coat of the same stuff-

I thought you meant he looked older and yet he looked younger He had a I haven't coat of the same stuff as his brothers and had a circ a sir tout coat over the closed bodied one his stockings are dark woolen ones and his leggings are of drab cloth and As I will get you the sir out sir tout century thing here It is again another a picture they can be like, oh be like oh yeah okay this is just kind of like what every person with some sort of mean is dressed this is basically just like the outside version of that yes correct yeah exactly that I just for the record for everyone who looks up sir sir tout the image featured on the Wikipedia page appears to be a man with a coat and then the leggings and shoes of the, all the single ladies video. And it is really funny.

It looks like it, like if like Charles Dickens wrote a story about Tingle. Yes. Let me ask you a question. Hold on. The description of those, of these guys. This was at the end of their time with us. This is 1799, the end of their criminal spree. This is before war has really taken in. We're looking at 20 years younger right now. So they're 19, 20 ish years old. So there's potential that it could be cavemen and not just like normal people.

I mean, they came from Scotland. You mean like Neanderthals? Yeah, like I was hyped for a bunch of like Scottish Neanderthals? Yeah, like I was hyped for a bunch of Scottish Neanderthals like, Oh brother, come up on the mountains with us. You thought I was going to be like an offshoot early man? Yeah, I wanted an offshoot like, oh. You thought I was going to be like a lost tribe of man? Come to the caves with its brother.

That's what I wanted. I'm very disappointed, to be honest. They were chased away by the humans of Scotland to America where they had to live in the, in the caves of the old pre Western frontier. Six feet tall is not like super extra tall. We don't know how tall his little brother Wiley was. We don't know. Six feet tall. And that time is pretty tall because whenever I go to New England, that's just some TikTok propaganda. Don't let them fool you. Actually though, is six feet tall from Scotland

weird at the time? I don't know. I don't know. But I'll go to those houses that are in Boston and in Pennsylvania and the little towns. And they're like, the doorways, you have to crouch under them. I think people were in the oyster house that we went and had.

Yeah, the Union Oyster House. Exactly. I would say people in general were a little smaller back then. And so being six feet tall probably Monstrous and because we're just a bunch of internet clowns will be corrected one way or another on the internet So thank you. Come get me dude. I'll fight. Let me know. I'll fight. Not me. Educate me Scotty you want to dyno topia, but just like caveman topia Good lord. Thank you to today's sponsor babble

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Rules and restrictions may apply. So tensions between the colonies and the British escalated over this time, and the Hart brothers were exposed to the growing animosity and violence that kind of plagued their community. They witnessed firsthand the raids and counter raids of burning of the homes and the displacement of families. More specifically, they witnessed the lynching of both of their parents for being sympathizers to the crown by revolutionists. Oh my god.

Okay, so that really made them double down on like them being loyal to the crown. And all of these experiences coupled with their own supposed rebellious nature at the time, this would kind of lead them and put them on a path of not only lawlessness, but brutality. And as the American Revolution loomed, the harp family's loyalist sympathies became a source of tension and conflict with their neighbors. The brothers caught in the crossfire of this now divided nation, and they found

themselves increasingly drawn to the loyalist side. Their youthful exploits, fueled by a mix of rebellion, resentment, and a twisted sense of loyalty, laid the foundation for the path they would later forge. They became notorious for their pranks, their petty thefts, and their disregard for authority. And the seeds of violence were sown as the war escalated and they would soon find an outlet for all this pent up rage and aggression, the war itself. Yo, someone call Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Gotta get a play about these guys? Let's make a rap about these guys. That'd be great. As the American Revolution descended on the colonies, the Hart brothers already brimming with that pent up aggression and a twisted sense of loyalty eagerly joined the ranks of loyalist militias. They found a sense of belonging among the bands of Tories

who shared their disdain for the patriot cause and their willingness to resort to violence. And within these militias, it's the Hart brothers quickly established themselves as ruthless, inefficient fighters. They reveled in the chaos of war, embracing the opportunity to unleash their pent-up rage on their enemies, and their reputation for brutality grew with each raid and skirmish they were a part of, their names becoming synonymous with terror and bloodshed.

However, the Hart brothers were not content to simply follow orders. They craved autonomy and power, and they soon began operating independently, leading their own raids and ambushes away from the leadership of their militias. They developed a reputation for their cunning and their ability to evade capture, often disappearing into the wilderness after their attacks. So very guerrilla warfare style. What the fuck? So they killed their parents and they were like, we will never forgive you and we will kill every last one of you. And then they dedicated their lives to being murderers.

Yes. And just killed as many people as they could. Things were simpler back then. Like if you wanted to be a murderer, you could, dude. Seriously, back then people were just getting shot. Everything, all doors were open. That is fucking insane. At least right now their murderous rampage has some sort of principled

like direct. It was a profession. You can make a living off of being a murderer back in the day. I mean, if you're in a fucking war, you're murdering everybody. Right. Like, remember, things called posses back then, which were and we're going to talk about them. I mean, that's where you got sanctioned gangs of civilians out to go fucking bounty hunt criminals It's like, you know, that's what just was like back then right back then fucking insane. Yeah, not anymore That's not happening anymore. Obviously. So yeah, they were already like we need to do our own shit

And so away from the Tories during this time the Hart brothers also began forging alliances with the Cherokee warriors Who shared their animosity towards Patriots and their desire to protect their ancestral lands. So they are they're teaming up with the Cherokee Indians. The brothers learned from the Cherokee adopting their tactics, adapting to their way of life. They became adept at navigating wilderness, tracking prey and utilizing guerrilla warfare to devastating effect. What the fuck are you talking about? I'm telling you, this shit is nuts back then.

They just became like ninjas. They literally like, yeah, it's fucking insane. devastating effect. The fuck are you talking about? He's nuts. They just became like ninjas. They literally like, yeah, it's fucking insane. They became like two Batman. Yeah, except they like the kid. I guess is it like the killing? This is the Joker, the killing version of that.

Well, I guess. I mean, the Joker's not like learning how to like live off the land and like sneak and do stealth and like fucking Kill people with one touch or whatever the fuck they're learning. Is that what they're doing out there? Dude, I wins them or range for Harry they fight the two of them versus range for me range for Harry all the time every Day, she's not going to the left. He just turns around and he just turns them into two skeletons like a fucking sentinel them into two skeletons like a fucking sentinel. It's important to know though, like they're these guys alliance with the Cherokee. This wasn't based on like mutual respect or shared values. It was a marriage of convenience, a strategic partnership born out of animosity for a common

enemy. The brothers saw the Cherokee as a means to an end and so did the Cherokee to the brothers a way to further their own agenda of violence and plunder. And so, as the war raged on, the Harp Brothers' notoriety grew. They became known for their indiscriminate killing, their disregard for human life, and their willingness to betray even their allies if it suited their end goal. They were not motivated by patriotism or ideological fervor, but rather genuinely deep-seated resentment

and a thirst for revenge. This is all pure revenge, it's all personal. The war provided them with a license to kill, a justification for the brutal acts, and they took that license and ran. Now, I'm not a psychologist. No? Oh, I thought we were all licensed psychologists here.

That is really inaccurate. I don't know where you got that idea from. But, uh, so sorry. It's so weird to me that it's a revenge cause like how many people have they killed? And it's like, once you, well, I don't, I, I've never killed anybody. Nobody has been, I've never been betrayed in the way where like people kill people I loved and I swore vengeance on them So maybe I don't know but like I feel like it would be out of my system after a while

You know what I mean? I feel like after a while like you got to be there's there's ulterior motives going on because well Yeah I think you bring up a good point if we look back and truly look at these guys as Serial killers something we've talked about a lot of the times, what a serial killer is always looking for, for their first kill, an excuse, a reason, an accident that they had to kill somebody. The Revolutionary War was an amazing excuse

for them to finally indulge in maybe things that they were kind of pent up in wanting to do anyway. I just love the thought of that. I would have just been all killed out I'm just saying like I don't know about you guys, but I had there a few I've just been all killed out My parents were killed. I'm gonna kill every single person in In America what like you violently murdered them like you're not like sniping them from across the room You're probably stabbing them or whatever they're doing like shooting them in the face with a bow and arrow from like pretty close. It's probably pretty visceral, probably putting a knife in them, whatever, whatever, right?

It's not, I think if I was in their place though, it's not the people who killed my parents. It's the concept of the Patriots because we were loyalists to the crown and this group killed my parents. And so we must stop the group. And so that's how you can keep killing forever. You can just like, I'm going to keep going because there's always someone that's this is like the plot of pretty much half the Quentin Tarantino movies. You are. I would. I'm with you, Jesse, until they cross a line that becomes, oh, they're serial

killers. I mean, I'm not saying anything they're doing. I'm just saying from their perspective, they're like killers. I mean, I'm not saying anything they're doing. It's gone to saying from their perspective, sure. They're like, we're just going to keep killing. It's, it's how you end up in like an action flick going from you kill the local guy, so now you got to take down the mob boss and I take it down the president. It's like the president was the biggest drug dealer, you know? And that's same vibe.

I've just never had, I've just never had like a slow burn catharsis. Like, like I get need for revenge and then you, and then you're like, how do you keep that going? Like how do you keep being that angry for him? Never had a commando moment. You never thrown a knife at a guy and he stuck to a wall like stick around, let off some steam and take a break. You ever said I'd like you so I kill you last?

You're venting steam out of your eye. Let off some steam. Let off some steam. Yeah, you've never done that? No, I have not. You never set a man on fire and been like, smoking's bad for your health. No, I just feel like,

I feel like after I did extreme violence once, it would get out of my system. That's all I'm saying. It was really motivated by revenge. Right, right, right. I'm just, I feel like I would be like, ah, I don't think I'm just capable. I feel like I'd get close and then I'd like, I'd like pierce the skin. I'd see blood and be like, oh, I don't want to entertain whether or not I've ever like taken a bag of coins and hit a man and said, I've knocked some sense into you. You ever done anything like that? No, no, no. What movie are these quotes from? They're clearly

Arnold Schwarzenegger. I just don't know the rest. It's not Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's just what he does. He's like, he hits you with a microphone and he's like, did you hear that? It's like, yeah, like it just, right. He just adds a little, he adds a little stank to it. I guess sadly for the brothers, at least from their perspective, the war was going to come to a close at some point and it did and as in the aftermath of the Revolutionary War

Left the Harp brothers kind of adrift their loyalist cause defeated and the reputation as ruthless killers proceeding them They were kind of left with the worst possible side effect of like what they did murderous traitors. Yeah Yeah, exactly Their once familiar homeland had to become hostile territory forcing them to seek refuge and anonymity elsewhere. Fueled by a restless spirit and a thirst for violence still that had been nurtured during the war and had not abated after the war had ended, they embarked on a nomadic existence. Drifting through the untamed wilderness of the frontier, they roamed the rugged landscapes of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Illinois. These are the three states that they were active in during this time, leaving a trail of bloodshed

and terror in their wake. Their notoriety also wasn't just for brutal killings, but also for their very peculiar living habits and shall we say, less than stellar hygiene. So they had a reputation. What the fuck? These guys, they're just like murdering ninjas that live only for the kill and just like, let all worldly concerns fall to the side, including their own personal hygiene. You know how D&D players call party murder hobos? Yeah, that's exactly what these dudes are. That's the literal definition of who these fuckers are. They're not the Harp Brothers, they're the Larp Brothers? They're the Larp Brothers, they're the Larp Brothers,

except they're just killing people for real. Yeah, they weren't known for staying in five star accommodations. They often sought refuge in caves, sometimes makeshift shelters deep in the wilderness, far away from prying eyes of civilization. Nothing cozy, no Pinterest- cave dwellings. Like this, this is just them living in a damp dark and probably teeming with insects and nasty shit

bugs everywhere caves. They just, that's what they lived in. Don't worry brother. Tomorrow we will kill. This is fine for now. Mickey or was that Wiley? That's both of them. They just say everything in unison to each other. Oh, okay. Yeah. Got you. At the to each other. Oh, okay. Yeah. Got you. At the exact same time.

Yes, brother. Yeah. Well, one calls the other brother and the other calls the other one cousin. Yeah. So it comes out kind of like, Cuddle, brother. Yeah, yeah. Perfect. Right. Bruisance sucks, dude.

And it echoes in the caves and the bugs are like, chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop chop. As for their personal hygiene, again, hygiene isn't like the biggest thing back then, but it was still a thing. And even for that personal hygiene, again, you know, hygiene isn't like the biggest thing back then, but it was still a thing. And even for that time period, their hygiene was less than desirable. Bathing was just not on their list of priorities. And they considered themselves quote unquote, one with nature, which in their case meant smelling like a mix of sweat, dirt, rotting, like meat, blood, and whatever unfortunate animal that they butchered for dinner that evening.

What? These are not guys that you would come like walk in and hang out with. Their stench was so legendary that it became a part of their repute, like their infamous reputation. That they smelled like shit? Like they were known for murdering and smelling like shit.

Like those were two things he became known for. Beware. Some accounts claimed. Look to the caves outside of town for two shit smelling murderers that come visiting in the night. It's a shame nobody gave them like a poop pun name. They should get one. The Sharp Brothers. Think of the Sharp Brothers.

For the rest of the episode, you two need to start pitching like murder names that have to do with poop and sharp brothers. Sure. That's that's that that could work. That's done. It's a wrap fellows. The feco fellows. The boobros.

The boobos. The booboo bros. Yeah. So the corn poo Padres, the saggy bottomed boys. All right. I regret the winner. There we go. The winner.

The saggy bottom boys is the winner. I have to say, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm All right. I regret. The winner. There we go. The winner. The saggy bottomed boys is the winner.

I have such an image of like just a dump. The heavy diaper. The heavy diaper dudes. They're wearing those fancy coats looking like cavemen with shit in their pants. Amazing. It's pulling their underwear down so that it makes like a loop like behind their butt so you can like see their butt crack still because there's so much poop in the diaper. Yeah According to some accounts

I told you I love these stories. That fucking sucks. It sucks so bad. Oh, God. There's some accounts claim that their odor was so pungent that it could be detected from a considerable distance. It was almost a warning for potential victims of their approach. Like rumors in villages about how to know

if these killers are coming, you can smell them. If you smell something nasty, get away. They're on their way. They're coming. Imagine telling kids, baby, if you smell smell them. If you smell something nasty, get away. They're on their way. They're coming. Imagine telling kids, baby, if you smell that shit, if you smell that shit, just come running because that's the boo boo boys. That's the saggy bottom brothers.

It's kind of like in a horror movie where the fog rolls in, except it's ass stink. And it's just like, what's about to the music starts? Whomp, whomp. It's not the wild hunts. It's like, oh dude, the mist accepted to that. Yeah. It's, it's, it's the stink lines coming from their butt.

It's just instead of black and it's instead of black and white. It's sepia. A few others, uh, claim that they believe that this was a deliberate tactic that they use to intimidate and disorient their prey Absolutely not there are others that at the time they're like no they do it on purpose I'm like we're actually quite hygienic honestly We are but before we go out on a hunt We just smear poop and meat and blood all over ourselves and wait for to go rotten so that the children know to run

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That's C-H-I-L-L to 64000. We actually have a couple of quotes pulled from some newspapers back in that time. A local settler recounting an encounter that he supposedly had with the brothers in a Kentucky tavern reportedly exclaimed, quote, the very air turned foul as they entered like a charnel house had opened its doors. Is that how you say it? Is that carnal house or charnel? Were they welcome in these places? Like,

yeah, cause there was no evidence that there was them really. No, but I mean, if I'm the proprietor of an establishment that sells ale at this time, right. And a bunch of stank brothers roll in and everyone else there is like, Whoa, can't I just be like, sirs, you need to leave. Y'all are stinking up my customers. I imagine frankly, I ain't going to have it. I imagine he could if it was driving business away, but you're also at a time where they might fight you because of it. Yeah. Or maybe he knows or maybe he knows that they're the shit smelling murderers that are haunting around these parts. The dookie brothers. Yeah. The doodoo killers. Yeah. Cock-cock killers. A traveler who crossed paths with the harps

on a wilderness trail once described their scent as quote, a noxious cloud that clung to them like a shroud warning all who approached to keep their distance. The shit boys. And then one newspaper article from the time reporting on their capture described their appearance as quote, filthy and unkempt their bodies reeking of a stench that could only be

born of weeks, if not months without bathing. Weeks, if not months. Yep. Hold on, hold on now. So are they still, are they still fancy suited at this point? Or are they cavemen now? Well, I imagine they're wearing their fancy clothes, but they're living in caves, so it's getting deteriorated. But they're murdering. Are they hairy? No, their hair is cut short. They probably look like fucking ghost butlers from a fucking haunted mansion or some shit. So they have, remember they're taking the things that they are from their victims.

So they're always gonna have new clothes if they just keep murdering. And they probably cut their own hair. I imagine they probably just cut their own hair. This is disappointing. Now it's disappointing? I want them, they're gonna stink, they're gonna stink of poo.

I want them to be full off like. You wanted like Rognak and Lagnar, the two cave I you don't have a big club. They drag along behind them I prefer the image of these faux like aristocrats living in a fucking cave murdered and murdering and caked with blood I expect the aristocrats to kill I'm not worried about like that. I expect Aristocrat murderers, that's that's a trope. I want cavemen American cavemen That's what I'm here for. I want cavemen. American cavemen. That's what I'm here for.

I hate that they smell like shit. You're still on it. You're still on it. I hate that they smell like shit. Yeah. That's so, that's so, I would hate to be killed by somebody who smelled like shit. I would hate to be like murdered by the guy that I was just thinking about how much he smelled like shit.

That sucks. Oh, that guy smells like shit. Oh, oh, he's stabbing me. Oh, it smells like shit. That sucks. Oh, that guy smells like shit. Oh, he's stabbing me. Oh, it smells like shit. That's gonna get infected, dude. Yeah, that's a huge concern back then. Other than caves, these guys also, in addition to them, would construct makeshift shelters in the wilderness. These could range from simple lean tos to crude log cabins depending on the availability

of materials and the length of their stay. These shelters were often hastily built and abandoned as they kept moving from village or town to town. And then one of the most notorious locations associated with the Harp Brothers is Cave in Rock, a natural cave formation along the Ohio River in Illinois. This cave was known as a haven for outlaws and river pirates, but the Harps are believed to have sought refuge there for a time. However, their stay was short lived due to their increasingly violent behavior,

even by outlaw standards. Are you talking about like a, like a hidden thieves paradise that they got kicked out of then? Yes. Now more of a, yeah. Yeah. Remember how we talked about, um, Bell Star and they had their hideout where all like the famous criminals would come and mingle and shit., you know same thing for this area But they even even the outlaws like we're like you got to go you smell like shit No, they're waiting out of here and that and they're too violent. They were too violent even for them. They just keep killing people Yeah, they were killing people. So moving past the Revolutionary War looking to what their first quote-unquote serial killing would be

it's kind of hard to figure out what the details of it were because early crimes back then are now a mix of fact folklore and speculation. However, it is documented and we do have their first documented murder occurring in 1797 near Knoxville, Tennessee. The year this year, the Hart brothers were found themselves in a precarious situation. They had settled near Knoxville, Tennessee,

attempting to blend in with the local community. This is kind of what they did. They'd go to a new area. Unfortunately, they smelled like shit, and so everybody knew who they were right away. However, their true natures as thieves and murderers would begin to surface over time. So they're like cuckoo birds.

Yes, yes, like cuckoo birds. Accusations of stolen pigs and horses circulated through the town, casting a shadow of suspicion of the two newcomers who didn't say in town but came into town often. Their reputation as troublemakers would grow over time with each whispered rumor, and the locals once welcoming now began eyeing them with caution and distrust. The Hart brothers, sensing the changing tide of public opinion, decided it was time to make a hasty departure.

They packed their meager belongings, gathered their stolen livestock, and slipped away under the cover of darkness. They left behind a trail of fear, but their names forever were tainted in the eyes of the Knoxville community. However, their departure did not go unnoticed. Soon after, the body of a local man named Johnson was discovered in a nearby river. The gruesome scene that greeted the townspeople was chilling. Johnson's body was found floating in the river, covered in piss, they pissed on his corpse, a sign of the brothers' utter contempt for their victim, his chest had been savagely cut open and they filled his torso with stones.

With an attempt to weigh the body down into the river in a half-assed attempt to conceal their crime. And this, cutting open a body and filling it with stones became kind of their go-to move. This was almost always done with their victims moving forward. How do they know they peed on it? If it's in a river. I don't, that's just what they said. I don't know, this is the newspaper. You ask, I'll ask them.

200 years. It's a pea soaked, so they're MO after all this. So they smell like shit. They fucking live in caves. They fucking steal everything that they want to own. They just take what they want from dead bodies like they're playing fallout. And then they, when they're all done, they take the body, chop it open, put a bunch of rocks inside and piss on it.

And they just did this for years. For about two to three years, they got away with it. Yeah. That dude, what kind of numbers are we talking about? We'll get to it. Sweet Jesus. We'll get to it. The gruesome act of this act of desecration became their hallmark, kind of like their calling card

of their murder spree. They employed the same method of corpse disposal, filling the bodies of their victims with stones and dumping them in rivers or lakes in a vain attempt to conceal their crimes was their go-to and it almost never worked. Like they literally felt like they kind of... Calling that corpse disposal is like me saying I ate a pizza and then I just threw it around my kitchen onto the walls of the kitchen. Yeah, kind of, yeah. The discovery of Johnson's body clearly confirmed the worst fears of the Knoxville community. The Hart brothers were not just thieves, they were killers. Their hasty departure-

They were pissing rock-filling fools. Rock-filling, poop-pants-filling idiots. Their hasty departure now seemed less like an act of self-preservation and more like a cowardly escape from justice. With the law hot on their heels now and the stench of suspicion clinging to them, the Hart brothers fled northward, seeking refuge in the rugged wilderness of Kentucky. They followed the well-worn path of the wilderness road, a treacherous route carved through the Cumberland Gap where danger lurked around every bend. Their first victim in this new territory was a hapless peddler by the name of Peyton. The brothers, ever opportunistic and driven by an insatiable greed,

saw an easy target in the lone traveler. They ambushed him, stealing his horse and whatever valuables he carried, and Peyton's life was snuffed out, his body left to rot in the unforgiving wilderness, nothing more than a quiet testament to the Harp's growing depravity. Yeah, so this poor fucking Peyton just like, they saw him and that was all. all they're like, let's take all this shit and kill him, which is something that Boone Helm did the Kentucky Tech cannibal multiple times of this like

these traders that he'd saw he'd like either work his way into their camp or jump them at night, just to take whatever he could and then also take pieces of his body to eat. They didn't take any of his body. They just took whatever he had on them. This their bloodlust was was now unleashed. This was difficult for them to contain, or at least they didn't even bother attempting to, because in December of that same year, they encountered two travelers from Maryland. Their journey cut short by the Harp's merciless blades. The brothers left no witnesses. Their victims remained hidden in the

vast wilderness and their fates unknown to their loved ones for a very long time. Their next victim, a man named John Langford, met a similar fate. He was traveling from Virginia to Kentucky, unaware of the danger lurking in the shadows, and the Harp brothers, drawn to his vulnerability like Voltris Tikarian, ambushed him, stealing his possessions and leaving his lifeless body as a grim warning to others who dared venture

into their territory as they had multiple times. I'm still shocked that during this time period, anyone goes anywhere alone. Me too. That was my thought. I'm like, really? Everyone's trying to kill you. Like people just fuck around and kill you. Cause you're alone. They're like, nature's trying to kill you. The fact that people are like, I guess I'll go take my West Kentucky. Like, dude, you're going to die out there by yourself. I barely want to go out by myself now.

Like it's crazy. I don't want to walk out of my house on foot alone and then walk like 100 miles or something 20 miles. And over the course of months, we see three victims already and that's really fast for serial killers who had just got started serial killing. But again, I think the war was them actually starting. And rumors and whispers spread to the nearby areas quickly. A local innkeeper recognizing the harps from descriptions given by other travelers alerted the authorities that they were actually nearby. Because remember, these guys were trying to come into town still, mingle with society

and go to the tavern, sticking out like sore thumbs and smelling like ass the entire time. The brothers, their trail of blood growing longer were pursued by a posse of determined law's men. And I mean posse in the literal sense that posse were formed, sanctioned by the sheriff and off they went. And in a rare moment of misfortune, the Harps were captured and actually imprisoned at this time in the state prison at

Danville, Kentucky. So they actually were caught by the posse, but their incarceration was incredibly short-lived. They were incredibly cunning and resourceful. And we don't know the details, but we know that they escaped. Smell too bad. Had to be let go. Yeah. They maybe all disturbing the other prisoners, everybody around them. The guard passed out from the stink. They grabbed the key got out in the sewers. No one could tell the difference. Yeah. Yeah. And this left the authorities just humiliated. And so and but we don't know, I couldn't find details anyway, as to the exactly how this guy

escaped. So I don't know. And in a final act of defiance and vengeance, the harp sought out a family who had aided the authorities and were one of the main reasons that they were captured in the first place. And what did they do as vengeance, the harp sought out a family who had aided the authorities and were one of the main reasons that they were captured in the first place. And what did they do as vengeance, but brutally murdered the young son of the family, mutilate his body in a grotesque display of cruelty, and then cut the body open, fill it with stones and toss it in a nearby river. Good Lord. in a nearby river. Lord surely for vengeance. We move now to 1799. The year 1799 dawned for the Hart brothers who were moving from town to town, still doing insane, like just killing.

The noose was tightening around their necks though, because they, you could only go so far before the rumors spreading are everywhere now. And unless you truly move way out West, which there's nothing at this time out that way or closer to civilization where people already know you, like there was no escape here. There was really nowhere these guys could go. They couldn't jump on a train. There was no plane. They'd put themselves in kind of cornered themselves. And this was at the time, this was the time that the Kentucky governor

placed the $300 bounty on each of their heads, $300 in 1799 money, which 17, I didn't look this up. I should have. $300 in modern day. That's around 7,600 bucks in today's currency. So almost close to eight grand. Yeah. That's a decent amount of money. You're not factoring in inflation. That's the difference. No, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Uh, this was again, for everybody back then, not a huge sum. This was no small sum. This was enough to entice even the most hesitant bounty hunters to pursue these guys because they were just that wanted the harps realizing the gravity of the situation did what they always did and fled northwards deeper into the wilderness. And their

flight was marked by a continued spree of violence as they desperately sought to evade capture. They also couldn't help themselves but just kill along the way. Along the way in the encounter two men named Edmonton and stump, which I fucking love. What are those first names Edmonton and stump? Are they first names? I don't know stump is I think Edmonton I love stump, dude. Edmonton is almostump are they first names? I don't know if Stump is. I think Edmonton.

I love Stump, dude. Edmonton is almost better than Stump, but I love Stump. Yeah, it's like, it's not as good as Little Barry's shoot, but the two of them together, I feel like they'd have like a pretty successful business in the 1700s, Edmonton and Stump. Whatever it is they do, it feels like they would be successful.

These two guys unfortunately were their next victims. The Harps, with their trademark brutality, left no witnesses and no trace of their crimes save for the lifeless bodies strewn along their path. As they continued moving north and they neared the mouth of the Saline River in southern Illinois, their bloodlust remained unsatiated. They stumbled upon a camp of three unsuspecting travelers,

their lives abruptly extinguished by the Harp Brothers' ruthless blades. It was a senseless act of violence again, driven by seemingly insatiable thirst of blood and nothing more. Their relentless pursuit of anonymity and safety led them to… Cave and Rock, a natural cavern nestled in the bluffs overlooking the Ohio River. This notorious hideout was a haven for river pirates and outlaws, like I said, including the infamous Samuel Mason,

a ruthless gang leader who ruled the waterways with an iron fist at the time. The Harts, drawn to the cave's reputation as a sanctuary for criminals, sought refuge there within the depths. However, their respite was short-lived. A posse hot on their trail had followed them to the edge of the Ohio River, and their pursuit halted only by the vast expanse of water that separated them from their quarry. The Hart brothers found themselves trapped, their backs against the wall, and the river, once a symbol of freedom and escape, had become a barrier, cutting them off from potential

allies and escape routes. Their fate, it seemed, was sealed. They were cornered, their days of terror numbered, and the question was not if they would be caught but when and by whom. In the summer of 1799, their reign of terror was coming to a close. Now pinned against the corner with the river now kind of giving them the boundaries,

as the posse could not cross the river to get to them and they couldn't cross the river because they'd get caught, it all would reach its climax on August 24th, 1799. The posse, hot on the Harps heels, cornered them as they were preparing to claim another victim. They had snuck out and hoped to get away, but the posse saw them.

They had cornered a settler by the name of George Smith, called upon to surrender. The outlaws instead chose to make a desperate run for freedom. Basically they went at it, and the posse caught out. Yeah, they were like, hell no. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids straight up.

Exactly. So Mickey, however, so as they ran, Mickey wasn't very lucky. A well-named shot from a man by the name of Leiper's rifle struck Mickey in the leg and back, bringing him crashing off of his horse that he had jumped on to run off. In the ensuing scuffle, Leiper tackled him, subdued him, and then with a swift blow from

his tomahawk, put him down. So Leiper had a tomahawk and whacked Mickey with the tomahawk. Just took him straight up out. Yeah, he started bleeding out. He wasn't fully dead. And as he was being held down down he learned from Mikey some of the Atrocities that they actually committed first and foremost He counted about 20 victims there and abouts the two of them had killed 20 innocent people

over the years that they were Killing essentially and one of the biggest stories and one of the worst ones is actually the line where I'm like, okay It was more than vengeance and petty vengeance. These guys were monsters, obviously attacking people on the trail randomly is evil and all that shit. But if they were truly like, I'll never give up my loyalty, fuck every, you know, colonist who thinks they're a separate country. Maybe you can kind of see like what they were doing. But the story goes that in the summer of nineteen of 1798, the year prior to them getting caught, the Harp brothers fell

into a family that would change their lives forever. They were still murdering like absolute insane people. And their victims this time around were nothing but farmers. A farmer named Bradbury, a man named Hardin, and a young boy named Coffee, whose lives were snuffed out in a brutal... Coffee? Yes, but C-O-F-F-E-Y. Okay.

You know? All right. Maybe, because that's... yeah. We can say nothing. We can say... I'm just r slash tragedy. Trust me. We have nothing to say. What? Yeah, that's cool. What is that? You're right. That's like this subreddit. Yeah. Subreddit with

bad names that people name them like random shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. After killing the farmers, they lived in the house for a while. And it's important to note that my mickey and Wiley both had wives and a child. Mickey Mickey had a child specifically. They got married. What do you mean they had wives? Like where were the wives? With them following them around.

Literally following them around as they're moving from town to town because they were, remember people, they were again, going back to Bell Star, there were people who were married to the criminals that weren't actually criminals, but they lived off the lifestyle that provided them. And they were rotten while they were murdering people. The wives were not there for the murders. They were just being brought back all of the stuff that they got off of their hanging out in the caves chilling. Yeah, doing you know, thinking that they're living a

typical outlaw wife, K person's life. Yeah, lifestyle. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. But they didn't know really until later on exactly what was going on But one particular day Mickey's daughter Infant daughter was crying and so to shut her up Mickey walked over Grabbed his daughter took her outside and smashed her head into a tree until she died. Damn The wife had no idea and actually complimented him for actually getting the daughter to quiet up before learning what actually happened,

but she did not leave him. What the fuck? He then did that again to another family that they murdered to their infant boy because it was annoying him that he was crying. So he took him outside and smashed his head into a tree until he died. Like this is the shit where I'm like, Oh, no,

you're just fucking serial killers. You're not there is no quote unquote vengeance or principle here. You're just monsters. The rage this is completely overtook them. As he's lying there dying out, admitting to countless atrocities, he his life bleeding out. Leiper slowly then takes the tomahawk and slowly severs Harp's head from his body. The decapitated head was then taken as a grotesque trophy, which was later displayed on a pole, maybe a tree in some stories that we're not entirely certain if it was a pole or a tree, but it was put up at a

crossroads near the Stegall cabin, which is where like the baby killing all fucking happened. This grim monument, a chilling reminder to Harp's Reign of Terror came known as Harp's Head or Harp's Head Road, a name that still echoes to the annals of Webster County's history, serving as a chilling reminder of the dark deeds done that once transpired there. But his younger brother got away. In the chaos of Mickey getting caught,

Wiley Harp, ever the cunning survivor, managed to slip through the posse's fingers and vanished into the wilderness. He eventually found his way to Cave-in Rock again, that notorious hideout, where he rejoined the infamous Mason Gang led by Samuel Mason and four years would pass in a twist of fate before Wiley Harp found himself captured alongside the rest of the Mason Gang.

However, his cunning and resourcefulness once again came to his aid because he wasn't known by Wiley-Harp anymore. He had taken on an alias, John Settin or John Sutton. We're not entirely sure. It's just the change of one letter. And he successfully evaded recognition and escaped the clutches of the law alongside Samuel Mason himself. Just because there was no photography and no way to verify who he was. You'd just be like, that's not me. I mean, the way they described him in the description earlier, that could be any number of people at the time. I'm picturing that kid from the Johnny Depp Sleepy Hollow movie.

I don't know why. That's where my like when you said it, that's where my head went right away. However, getting getting out was again short lived for him. Their freedom was once again thrown into chaos. Mason was eventually shot though the exact circumstances of his demise remain Their freedom was once again thrown into chaos. Mason was eventually shot, though the exact circumstances of his demise remain kind of shrouded in historical mystery. We don't really know what got him.

But undeterred by the setback of losing the gang leader, Wiley Harp, accompanied by fellow gang member, Peter Alston, who masqueraded under the name of James May, concocted a daring plan. They sought to claim the bounty on Samuel Mason's head, presenting his severed head as proof of their deed. However, their scheme unraveled concocted a daring plan. They sought to claim the bounty on Samuel Mason's head, presenting his severed head as proof of their deed. However, their scheme unraveled when a perceptive Kentuckian

recognized Harp and Alston as wanted outlaws. They were trying to like spin the death of their leader, be like, hey, hang on. Maybe we can make bank off the fact that he's dead. And people immediately recognized who they were. The two of them were swiftly apprehended because they did try. They walked into town and tried and then they were just arrested

because they're like idiots. The fucking audacity of that. That's what it was. The fucking, like that's like computer thinking. They just immediately like moved to the next angle right away without even thinking. So they walked into town, like we're gonna go claim this bounty and we're

fucking instantly arrested. Good Lord. But their knack for escape had not deserted them yet. They managed to break free from custody again, getting away for mere days before they were recaptured again. This time, however, their luck had finally fucking run out. They were tried, convicted, and sentenced to death by hanging in January of 1804, Wiley Harp and Peter Alston met their grim fate at the end of a rope. Their severed heads, much like his brother,

a chilling testament to their criminal lives, were impaled on stakes along Naches Trace. Jesus! Naches Trace. And oh, serving as another warning to any who dared try to follow in their bloody footsteps. And they still smelled like shit even then. The two, I mean, as the dust settled on their reign of terror, the women that they had entangled in their lives found themselves on unexpected paths to redemption, actually freed from the clutches of their captors, because that's what they would go on to say, is that they were kind of just kept there as prisoners at that point.

There's nothing they could do. Sally Rice Harp, Susan Wood, and Betsy Roberts, with an alias also known as Maria Davidson, were apprehended and brought to Russellville, Kentucky courthouse. However, their innocence was evident, and they were soon released, their past lives as unwilling companions to the outlaws seemingly forgiven. Sally, wife to the infamous Wiley, sought solace and refuge in her father's home in Knoxville, Tennessee. The shadows of her past marriage seemed to fade as she rebuilt her life within the familiar embrace of a family. Susan Wood, once a captive of the Harp Brothers

Grim World, found love again. She remarried and settled in Tennessee where she raised a family and eventually passed away. Her daughter later venturing to the vast expanse of Texas and then Betsy Roberts aka Maria Davidson embarked on a new chapter in her life afterward. She married John Hofstutler on September 27th, 1803 and together lived as tenants on Colonel Butler's plantation. Huffstutler and Butler? Yeah. Huffstutler lived on the Butler plantation? He did. Huffstutler lived on the Butler plantation.

Love that. Their lives took them to Hamilton County, Illinois in 1828, where they raised a large family and their legacy echoing through generations until they passed in the 1860s. And in a weird twist of fate, Sally Rice, who had also remarried, crossed paths with Betsy Roberts once more in the future. In 1820, Sally and her husband, along with her father, journeyed to their new home in Illinois, their route taking them across the K-Van Rock Ferry,

a place where Betsy Roberts and her family once resided. The encounter must have been a poignant reminder for them, I imagine, just like kinda coming together again. But they just like cross paths, said their hellos and then went on with their lives and then never saw each other again after that. And on that, the happy ending of their of the wives of these criminals, and the justice finally getting to the two Harp brothers. That seems like a lot of years, doesn't it? It is. Yeah. So they were probably, I imagine they were probably in their late teens, maybe when they were taken by the boys. And they were like

40 or 30. 30s probably somewhere in there. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you said they were born in 18 or 1744, 1739. They were born in the late 1740s somewhere on there. Yeah. That's, and then these wives lived all the way till 1860. One of them lived to the 1860s. Not all of them. there. Yeah. That's and then these wives lived all the way to 1860. One of them lived to the 1860s. Not all of them. That is amazing. Still that's amazing. That's, that's a long time. I didn't look into them, them three, their specific histories along with the story. I feel like, you know, uh, I'm curious what it is, but, um, yeah, that ends the story of what is documented to be what people consider the,

uh, US's very first serial killers of the body count of at least somewhere around that is freaking insane 20 p.m. I thought it was crazy, too But again, it's crazy just because of how crazy they had to be to be considered crazy at the time And they smelled like ass the whole time which is just like I hate that they smelled like shit And they murdered people and they filled them with rocks and pissed on them Yeah, so fucking and they lived in caves and they dragged their wives around like walking through the wilderness and murdered their baby daughter That is just that is just absolutely fucking insane good riddance to these fuckers. What an ins what an insane

like Trajectory like I can't believe that's the same species that I am that they could have that life. That's crazy. And if you think about it, that's not that long ago. No, like it's 70 years ago, maybe a little more, but like that's wild scheme of things. That's like my great great great grandmother or era, you know, like not super long.

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