Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 255 - The Montauk Project

Episode Date: June 30, 2024

Mike, Jesse and Alex take a look at the supposed Secret Government Project that inspired the Netflix show Stranger Things! This week it's all about Project Montauk. MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD IQBar - Text CHILL to 64000 Hello Fresh - http://www.hellofresh.com/chillapps Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com Theme - Matt Proft

Hello everybody and welcome back to the Jaluminati Podcast episode 255. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by the David Cameron and George Lucas of LA, Jesse and Alex. David Cameron and George Lucas. That's right. Okay. That's right. Okay.

I'll take that like which one's which. That's what I leave in your hands. I think I'm more of the George Lucas. Are we talking about James Cameron? No. Yeah. Did I say who'd I say? David Cameron. Alex is David Cameron. The politician. Oops. I didn't. James Cameron. I meant James Cameron. Not James. I mean, yes, James Cameron, not David Cameron, not the Paul. I mean, that's a good combo there,

but that's absolutely the not what I was going for. I want to be James Cameron because James Cameron is badass in the way where he was like, I knew that sub exploded before anyone else did. And I just didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. So I kept it to myself. I forgot he did. Somebody's going back down there too.

That's in serious. Not the Titanic. But there's like another like billionaire tiny submarine. It looks the same too. No. Yeah, I don't know. Why would you? It's a mystery hubris man. It's like you know how that youth you have when you're like you're 19 or late teens all your 20s where you just you don't like actively think you're invincible, but everything you do you don't really worry about the repercussions. I feel like once you become a billionaire that comes back for some reason like suddenly you're like, you know what do, you don't really worry about the repercussions. I feel like once you become a billionaire, that comes back for some reason,

like suddenly you're like, you know what, I'm so rich. I ain't gonna die. That's the mystery I don't this week's episode of Chiluminati is why are rich people? Why are rich people and why is Adobe? Those are the two questions. What is the problem with the extremely wealthy? I feel like that's the question we should be asked today's episode. What

happened to them? Why they What turned off in their brain? They're not heading over to patreon.com slash human it pod to give their untold wealth to us. That's it. That's the real problem. Because here's the thing. I'm tired of working hard every day and trying to do things of good faith and trying to just do a good job.

You know, it's about time for me to be irresponsible and spend money instead of dealing with people's or my own emotions. Oh, you weren't before? Yeah, no, this is new. This is a new, this is a new leave for me. I think irresponsibility is new for you. I think now I'm going to be a rich guy. Who told you this? I think I've decided I'm going to stop crossing all my T's and dotting on my eyes and I'm going to go on to be a successful rich. You responded once to, are we recording a podcast with an image of a chimpanzee? Yeah. You said yes to being on this podcast with diamonds.

That's true blue. What are you talking about? You know, what doesn't ever ever dotted eyes or cross T's. You know, what's like the hottest, you know, what's like the hardest substance known to man? Diamonds. Cool. Patreon.com slash Chulumnahti Pod is hard as diamonds. The best Patreon in the entire world About that. Mm-hmm. What do you think about that? I mean, I have thoughts you have Support us. It's it's a user supported show We love we love that you come out and support us and what did we say now if it's 10th the 10th the new $10,000 thing instead of

Jesse will believe you is that me and Jesse are going to perfectly orchestrate a Jesse will believe you is that me and Jesse are going to perfectly orchestrate a hoax to math this without him knowing. And then he's going to have a real story for us to tell on the pod. And we'll all know. We'll all know. Yeah, well, and then that's how that's how that ends up on the UFO subreddit for 10 years and never and never no one believing that it's a fake. I'll believe it. Yeah, I'm going to hire. So I'm going to I'm going to like I'm going. Yeah, I'm gonna hire, I'm gonna like,

again, I'm gonna cross my T's, dot my I's. There's not gonna be one mistake. This is gonna be a killer hoax. I'm just curious, are you gonna get like a celebrity to play the alien? I don't know what I'm gonna do. I haven't thought about it. I haven't like put my mind to it yet,

but like how I would do the perfect hoax video, but I think I could do it. I think I've been immersed enough in it. I think I've seen every hoax video ever made on nuke stop five. So I think like by now I kind of have like a way. I think I could, I think I could scare the shit out of you. I think you could too. I mean, I, I bet you, yeah, I bet you could as well.

I bet you I'm, I'm easily scared, man. I'm scared. That's not what I mean. I just mean, I'm going to make you a believer. That's okay. You know what? It's not about that you're skittish. That's true. Let's leave it at that.

That's how I took it. I'm a skittish guy. I tell you. Speaking of, last episode was great, by the way. Having Milo on, an actual man of education and archeological knowledge. Oh boy. Oh boy. Here we go.

It was nice to have a young person on to remind me how much energy I used to have. You know what I mean? Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah. Man, yeah, he reminded me of my youth quite a bit. Where is this going? I'm already preparing for you to be like,

last time we did brain activity, this time aliens. Are they in our butts? No aliens this time, no aliens this time. But you boys know stranger things, right? Right. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? That's based actually around and in the name of the show Dungeons and Dragons. No, but I mean, yes, actually 80s nostalgia. Also, yes. Uh huh. But the whole conspiracy angle of it, the show initially was called Project Montauk or the Montauk Project. Yeah.

That is a real thing and something I'm surprised we never, ever covered before. So today, gentlemen, we're going to be diving into one of the wildest conspiracy theories to ever grace the halls of the internet, the Montauk Project, which is kind of a conspiracy that touches all different aspects of the paranormal and conspiracy. I'm assuming Alex, you must be relatively well aware of the Montauk project. Like it's like I know Tesla is involved in the like mythology of the Montauk project.

I left him out because there's so much other shit I'd rather talk about. But yeah, there's there's more than enough to say without talking about Tesla. But like, the reason I brought up Tesla about. But yeah, there's there's more than enough to say without talking about Tesla. But like, the reason I brought up Tesla is because the Montauk project to me is like the Tesla of conspiracy theories, where it's like, it shows up, you're like, that's really interesting. I

wonder what that's about. And then it's like, Oh, that's ties to the Montauk project. And you're like, ha, I knew it. Tesla, you've done it again. Everything has ties to the Montauk project. And which brings me to my main source for today, the book, the Montauk project by Montauk project experiencer and author Mr. Preston B. Nichols, who will be our main source for today. And at this point, there are like six, seven, eight, nine books in the Montauk project series of books that he wrote.

He passed away in 2018, so he's no longer with us. But the first book, the one that we're really focusing on, the one that we're kind of pulling most of the information from was published in 1992. But we're talking like books called Pyramids of Montauk, Montauk, Book of the Living, Montauk, the alien connection, Montauk Adventures in Synchronicity. Is Montauk the name of a guy?

Like, come on, Montauk, get your head out of your ass. You got a mystery to solve. In this book, the Pyramids of Montauk, that cover looks like it belongs directly in the Greenstone legacy. That sounds like a Doctor Who episode from 1976. I'm going to link it in chat. Just the pyramids of Montauk. It's called Pyramids of Montauk Explorations in Consciousness, which is a trilogy of its

own within the Montauk Project documentation. The MCU? No. All right. I'm already out just by the book's cover. Yeah. All right. So dude, the book's cover is literally a D and D manual. This is like late in his series like Project Montauk.

The one book that that really you're focusing on is like the one where it's like, here's all the actual truth of what happened in the government and all this other shit. And then it seems like it just got even more insane. But trust me, it's pretty insane. If you look, if you look at that, that's definitely a picture of a cow that was like, like outlined like in Photoshop and removed and placed onto like a naked man's yeah, like that, like, yeah, you're right. One image that was not conceived of as well.

Let me, let me pitch this to you. There's literally D 20s on the fucking, I know, I know! That's what I'm saying. The best part is, the best part is there's a curtain on the book, which makes it feel like he's pulling back the curtain on the secret world of Dungeons and Dragons. It's coming out, it's coming up, it's in 3D. The, the- Right, yeah. The fucking like curtain.

It's a window into the world of sexy Minotaur men and their multiple die. It's like, you know, I think it's most represent like the fifth dimension and like impossible shapes or something like hypercubes and shapes aren't impossible. I roll those almost frequently. I'm aware. I'm aware. I'm just saying this is also one of them is straight up just a pyramid. I know, but this is like early nineties, mid nineties. You didn't have a tell me in the nineties, they didn't have pyramids. Did. But I'm saying the design, you probably had a budget in terms of like who he could

hire to create art for this thing and maybe he just couldn't get what he wanted. All right. What's the guy from the blacklist? Listen, don't laugh at this guy until you hear his story. Then you can decide if it's worthy of listening to or not. Ma, you're right. Why laugh now? Worthy of listening to in what sense?

Like entertainment? Like, like, uh, education? Yeah, both. History, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and listening to in what sense? Like entertainment? Like, like, education? Yeah, both. History? Oh, science? Yeah. Oh, also, yes. All of it. Don't say it. Like I'm like I'm saying something exciting. Oh, you are you're saying such great things. And I'm gonna I'm gonna give you examples of all those things. All right. So the elevator pitch for this is like just imagine

like a sleepy military base on Long Island, uh, that becomes the epicenter of clandestine experiments that involve time travel, mind control, and even interdimensional beings that sounds right out of a sci-fi flick. And at the center of this whirlwind of bizarre claims is a man by the name of Preston Nichols, an electrical engineer who says that he was directly involved in the project. Now, according to Nichols, he started experiencing flashbacks and recovered memories that revealed a hidden world of all this weird mind bending technology and morally questionable experiments. And he's written a bajillion books on it, as I've said. So we're going to dig deep in a Nichols account,

exploring the science or lack thereof behind the claims that he's made, some of the characters involved, and maybe even a little bit of just like how this still ripples into a lot of lore, UFO, paranormal, and so on, even today. I appreciate you taking the time to sort of, you know, educate us in this way with these backstories. I tell you, education, entertainment. You know, I always give you the backstory. Come on now. Edutainment.

The context is important. If I'm going to tell you this man's story, you need to know where this man comes from. Okay. And Nichols was born. I call it Edutain-ish. The ish is important. Copyright that. afterwards with pain and many bathroom visits. It's just not how I need to be anymore. Listen, I need to be a healthier guy, but I still love that things taste good when I eat them. And that's where IQ bar comes into play.

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That's CHILL to 64,000. Thank you again to IQ Bar for sponsoring today's episode. Preston Nichols was born on May 24th, 1946 in Long Island, New York. Details about his childhood and formative years kind of are not out there very much. It's very obscured. All we really know about him is his Montauk project kind of dominates what we know about him. And even like trying to scrape some information of like what what he was doing later in his life was hard to find. I did learn he did have a little bit of family, but even that was kind of difficult to dig up. I just don't think he's like,

as well known as he wishes he had become. And we'll talk about that as we continue on. Interesting. Okay. What we do know about Nichols is that he displayed an early aptitude for electronics and technology in early age, tinkering with gadgets and devices. His inherent curiosity and knack for understanding complex systems would ultimately lead him down a path

of working within just kind of the tech sphere in the 80s. After completing his high school education, Nichols embarked on a career as an electronic specialist. His work involved in intricate technical processes demanding a keen eye for detail and a deep understanding of the systems. It was during this time that Nichols began to develop a reputation for his expertise and ingenuity earning the respect of his colleagues and peers. He was good at what he did. Parallel to his professional pursuits, Nichols also harbored a growing fascination with the paranormal

and the esoteric. He immersed himself in the study of psychic phenomena, meticulously researching documented cases of telepathy, clairvoyance, and psychokinesis. He devoured books on altered states of consciousness, exploring the potential for individuals to tap into hidden realms of perception and knowledge. And he sought to understand the intricacies of the human mind, its untapped potential and the possibility of unlocking hidden abilities that lay dormant within each individual. Is that like his like author's bio? This is me putting it together.

That's like I sound like the like a wizard's magic show flyer. That was awesome. Yeah, I got to keep you interested. But like a lot of my my a lot of people might hear that and go, well, that's obviously the reason that he you know, he we end up learning about the story. He was very interested in probably convinced himself of what happened. But I would if I tell you, they reprogrammed his brain

to be interested in this stuff in the first place. You what? So that he never knew he was actually involved. I know, crazy shit. Regardless, his intellectual curiosity and all this stuff, while seemingly unrelated to his technical expertise, was not merely just a passing interest. It was a deep-seated passion.

He loved the fringes of pseudoscience, bizarre esoteric knowledge, all that shit that we were just talking about. He loved, loved that stuff. And in the 1970s and 80s, Nichols' professional and personal interests finally began to converge as he delved deeper into the world of fringe science and he became particularly interested by the potential of electromagnetic fields and radio frequencies to influence human consciousness, a concept that would later play a central role in his claims regarding the Montauk Project. Throughout this period, Nichols maintained a relatively low profile, focusing on his

work and personal studies. He was known as a quiet, introverted individual, more comfortable tinkering with electronics and engaging in any social gathering, which I relate, this reserved nature coupled with his unconventional interests would later contribute to his image as a very solitary dude who stumbled upon a government conspiracy if you believe what he says. And in his quiet solitude of Long Island, Nichols found himself immersed in a technical problem involving radio frequencies. As an electronic specialist, this was familiar territory for him, a challenge that he relished

and enjoyed. However, this particular endeavor would prove to be anything but ordinary. As Nichols meticulously was analyzing these radio signals he was picking up, he noticed a recurring pattern, a rhythmic pulse that seemed to divide conventional explanations. It wasn't merely a random blip or static either. He says it possessed an eerie coherence, a sense of intentionality that sent shivers down his spine. The signal seemed to call to him, beckoning him to unlock a hidden chamber deep within his subconscious. This wasn't just any signal. It literally he says it resonated with him on a deep, inexplicable level,

truly like a beckoning from something he couldn't ignore. The more he focused on it, the more it seemed to communicate directly with the subconscious. He described it as a feeling of familiarity, a sense of deja vu that he couldn't shake. The signal seemed to be stirring something deep within him, something buried beneath layers of time and forgotten experiences.

Driven by an insatiable curiosity and a growing sense of unease, Nichols embarked on a quest to decipher the signal's origins and its meaning. He dedicated countless hours to building custom receivers and antennas, fine-tuning his equipment to isolate and amplify the transmission.

As he delved deeper into the signal's structure, he noticed a series of recurring patterns, a complex sequences of pulse and pauses that hinted at a hidden message. Now, to kind of break away from the story for a moment, there are, like, number stations are very, very popular. Or people know of them, should I say? Maybe not popular, but the common knowledge. Love them. Yeah, so kind of like weird little radio stations and signals like this. Absolutely possible and likely are you know, like not out of the realm of impossibility as someone who was passionate about

radio signals and just electronics that he would stumble on these things. But in his home alone with his thoughts in that enigmatic signal, Nichols began to experience something else. Strange and unsettling sensations. His dreams first, once peaceful and unremarkable, transformed into vivid, disturbing visions. Night after night, he found himself plagued by unsettling images of strange machines,

shadowy figures, cryptic symbols. These nocturnal disturbances were not mere nightmares, but fragmented echoes of a hidden past. A past that he, rather a past that had been deep, try that again, a past that had been buried deep within his subconscious. The signal Nichols would later claim resonated with frequencies used in the top secret mind control

experiments that were conducted at Montauk Air Force Station. As a signal washed over him, fragments of forgotten experiences began to surface from the depth of his subconscious. At first, they were nothing more than fleeting glimpses, disjointed images, and sensations that seemed both familiar and utterly alien. But as Nichols continued to expose himself to the signal, the fragments began to coalesce into a coherent narrative. When he saw these images of machinery, soon he began to realize they weren't just machinery

that he could recognize from modern day. He believed that they were flashes of futuristic technology, devices that seemed to defy the laws of physics as he understood them. These shadowy figures in more detail, he'd begin to see lab coats, their faces obscured by masks, their eyes more cold and calculating. And then there were the boys, a group of young men with haunted eyes strapped into chairs and connected to wires that snaked across the floor. Their faces were etched with fear.

That is straight up out of Stephen King. Yeah, absolutely horrifying image. Their faces too were etched with fear. That is straight up out of Stephen King. Yeah, absolutely horrifying image. Their faces too were etched in fear and confusion. Their eyes pleading for help or some sort of release from the torment that they were clearly enduring. These disjointed images and sensations of the ephemeral kind of just eventually solidified into vivid recollections. Nichols saw himself in a vast, dimly lit chamber filled with an array of unfamiliar machinery. Towering metal structures pulsated with energy,

their surfaces adorned with cryptic symbols again and glowing dials. He saw men in white lab coats again, their faces still wearing masks, their eyes still tracking him cold. As the dreams intensified and the flashbacks continued, he began getting glimpses of a reality that also seemed familiar but also alien. This cold dread, Nicholas felt a cold

dread wash over him as the memories intensified. He recalled feeling, recalled the feeling of being strapped into a similar chair, the icy touch of metal against his skin, the agonizing sensation of his mind being probed and manipulated. He remembered the hum of electricity, the blinding of flashes of light and the disoriented feeling of being ripped from his body and flung through an unknown vortex, which we'll get into more detail later. It's like a bunch of imagery from this is like peppered throughout all kinds of media.

Like everything that you said has conjured up some very specific thing. Like that reminds me of that movie with Jodie Foster where she goes, uh, she like, like teleports her brain to Alpha Centauri or whatever. What the hell is that movie called? Contact? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, the, the people in the chairs is straight out of Stephen King and the dreams of future technology is like straight out of like a million things. But most recently

for me, Red Dead Redemption 2, there's like a guy like dreams of technology. Just blowing my mind. It's just like, there's a layer of this that's like how Montauk works its way into like just like the lore of conspiracy theories. Yeah, but there's another layer of like pulp like the pulp element that that like, I don't know, like something about the Montauk project specifically seems to have inspired a lot of pop culture. It is a fucking super fun story and it is really entertaining to think that they're gonna fracture this might have some anchor and crazy. It is just a fun one of those fun conspiracies that truly is just enjoyable and silly.

But still like, you know, there's interesting little ties and hints there that dude, like you said, tie to other things that are much more, I guess you could say believable, but that's not really the word I'm looking for. Regardless, as these memories coalesced into a horrifying narrative, he realized that he was part of something much bigger.

A secret government project that pushed the boundaries of science, morality, and humanity. He learned that the project's code name was Phoenix, and its goal was to harness the power of the human mind for military purposes and to explore the realities beyond just our simple three dimensions. And he wasn't alone. As figures and faces of other young men came into his memories, remember the young boys that he was seeing? He eventually dubbed them the Montauk boys.

That's kind of how he refers to them in the books. Montauk boys. Okay. That's kind of how he refers to them in the books. Mom Talk Boys. And that these boys had all been abducted from their lives and being subjected to a series of brutal experiments that were designed to amplify their psychic abilities and turn them into sleeping weapons of war. Okay. Don't you hate when you don't you hate when you realize something

like that? Yeah, of course. Do you hate when you just wake up and you realize you're part of something bigger than you? I mean, if anything, if it's government or if it's the government, yeah, if it's the government's always for war, I'm convinced that be a worthy trade to amplify your psychic abilities for war. Yeah. Well, yeah, why else would they do it? They're not going to amplify psychic abilities for like, taxes, science, do it for science, dude. No, dude. I don't think you understand.

Military industrial complex. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough vibes. He's got you there, dude. These the the horrified Montauk boys, their faces were etched in haunted Nichols waking thoughts and even invaded his sleep. They were young. Some of them were barely teenagers,

their innocence shattered by the horrors that they were being subjected to. They were the subject of the Montauks Project's most insidious experiments and their psychic abilities amplified and manipulated for purposes that were beyond these kids' comprehension. Nichols saw himself among them, a younger version of himself, strapped to a chair identical to those used

on the boys. He felt the cold metal biting into his skin, the wire sneaking across his body. Boys. Yeah, they know that. I can just think of- I can't handle the boys. It's like the season is coming out right now. I know, I know. I just picture Homelander in the red room. He could almost, he said, he claimed he could almost taste the metallic tang of fear that

permeated the ear, the air rather. The flashbacks again, he consistently repeats through the book, tries to remind us they weren't linear, chaotic jumble of sensory experiences that he had to piece together until they eventually made sense. But his own role in the project still was relatively unclear. He knew he was there. He clearly was being experimented on in some way. But he also remembered being tasked with building and maintaining complex electronic equipment

that were being used in the experiments. He recalled tinkering with circuits, adjusting frequencies, and calibrating machines that seemed to defy the laws of physics. He had been a cog in this sinister machine as much as he was one of the experiments, a tool in the hands of the ruthless scientists who sought to control the very essence of human consciousness. It's weird that like he begins to remember all these things and that these people were testing him, but he also was like an employee.

It doesn't mean that part. It like caught me like right. I was very light on the details. Yeah. Oh, wait. Oh, God. I was very light on the details so far. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm trying to think I'm like, why would they like if he's one of the Montauk boys, you know, he's being experimented

like the others are boys. Why the boys? Why is he also like he's also their engineer? You think they would trust him after they like just tortured the fuck out of like Nick Fury rules. It's like a little like GI Joe rules. I don't know. They like, yeah, guys have a little Nick Fury. Like it's way too complicated for its own good.

They all like stand around on the bridge vibes. Yeah. Yeah. In the wake of this, these unsettling realizations, he continued to find find himself drawn back to that mysterious radio signal that had triggered these initial recollections. He spent more countless of his hours in his makeshift workshop, tinkering with his equipment, continuing to adjust frequencies, meticulously recording the pattern of the signal. It was as if he was engaged in a dialogue with the subconscious, so that kind of coaxed forth fragments of his memories with this little rhythmic pattern.

The signal, he discovered, was not a constant presence either. It would appear and disappear at seemingly random intervals, its strength and clarity fluctuating with each transmission. Nichols learned to anticipate its arrival, adjusting his schedule and daily routines to align with the signals

elusive patterns. He would spend hours sitting in his darkened workshop headphones clamped to his ears, listening intently to the rhythmic pulses and trying to decipher their hidden meaning all while having flashbacks. I imagine he's like hunched over and just like twitching and shaking as he does. Rhythmic pulses. This doesn't work nowadays. Like the amount of media that we consume nowadays. Like this is bullshit. Like I'm just like on my phone. Like, how dare you? How dare you? Yeah.

Do you call bullshit with each exposure to the signal, the floodgates of memories open wider, revealing new and increasingly disturbing details of his alleged involvement in the Montauk project. He remembered working alongside the scientists, engineers, technicians, all of whom were sworn to secrecy and bound by a common purpose to harness the power of the human mind to benefit the United States military. He recalled the construction of massive underground facilities beneath Montauk Air Force Station, a labyrinth complex of tunnels, chambers, laboratories, where the experiments all took place.

He remembered the towering quote unquote Montauk chair, a device designed to amplify psychic abilities and manipulate the fabric of space time. Cerebro? Yes, that's such a good way. Yes, dude. How did I not put that together when I was writing this? That's fucking like straight up.

It's just straight up fucking cerebral. But like, and it's like it doesn't even out date. Like what year is this story from 1992? 1992 the book came out. Yeah, it doesn't even like predate cerebralerebro either. That's the best part. It doesn't at all. I could see the mutants, all of them. Oh God.

In pain around the world. Preston Nichols is actually just Professor X. He's the real life Professor X. He kind of sounds like he kind of is. Yeah, kind of. Well, yeah, well, let's keep going. Cause this is like, this is, you're right. This is like a Cerebro, but it's like a fucking hyper power.

You have to tell me if the things this thing can do. Cerebro can also do with your. Cerebro can do pretty much anything. There's no real deep comic book knowledge. You're going to have to tell me as we go. So, oh, that's not me. That's what we got. Alex here. I'm not relying on Alex for this one.

I may know a thing or two about the X-Men. Yeah. Well, you only know a couple of things about the X-Men. Yeah, I may know a few things. The key facts. He also, in his memories, saw himself working on the chair's intricate circuitry, fine-tuning its components, components, and even testing its capabilities. But Nichols' involvement went beyond mere technical support. He claimed to have witnessed firsthand the project's most insidious experiments, the

ones that involved the manipulation and exploitation of the Montauk boys, where these young men, many of them abducted, like I said earlier, were forced, were promised, they were brought into the project and lured, some of them lured there with promises of adventure, and then were ended up strapped into a chair and subjected to a barrage of psychic and physical stimuli and torture.

So they were like honey-potted in, and then they fucking just like got strapped down and tortured. Yeah, very bizarre. Like another weird thing. Honey-potted in. Like why even do that? Just fucking abduct them.

You're the government. Like why are you trying to like, if you're gonna be like dangling a carrot in front of them to lure them in only to torture them, just kidnap them. Like, cause if you- That's the math is, that's the math is way. If you lure them in the math is that's the math is when you learn them in listen, like, here's my life, you learn them, they're going to tell their friends and their family

over the course of time of them being learned in. So when you go missing, they're going to have suspicions. But if they just scoop you off the street, and you just go missing, it's the government doing it. The government has the advantage. Russell up a couple of thugs. What's the deal? No big deal.

It doesn't make any goddamn sense. Just kidnap the fuckers. advantage. Yeah, rustle up a couple of thugs. What's the deal? No big deal. Saying it doesn't make any goddamn sense. Just kidnap the fuckers. Exactly. I'm just saying if you know the story just take their freedom. Just take their freedom away. What are you doing? It saves time. What is happening right now? You know, we're just arguing on behalf of government kidnapping. Alex has a lot of thoughts and I feel like there's a lot of problems in the world and only Alex can solve them. Yeah, I, uh, you know, I think just we should be kidnapping people more often. That's that's my main. Yeah. Alex is my retribution. That's my main thing. You got to kidnap the bad people off the street. How else are we going to get rid of them? Alex? I think that's a big part of it. I think that's a big part of what needs to change. There's a lot that

needs to change. You know, the Alex can solve it. Yeah. He's the only one brave enough to do it. Right, right, right. Yeah. That's me. Right. Right. You guys get this. You guys. Yeah. You guys. You guys understand where I'm coming. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. Right. Yeah. Of course. Preston Nichols reeling from all this and new of these new memories began to seek out others who might eat at least understand his his plight somebody to talk to because this was a lot from to deal

with and he wasn't sure where to turn who to trust didn't understand his plight, somebody to talk to because this was a lot for me to deal with. And he wasn't sure where to turn, who to trust. Didn't know if the government was listening, but he knew we just couldn't keep this to himself. And one name that he came kept coming across in his fractured recollections was a man by the name of Duncan Cameron. Now, Cameron is who first names. I love it already.

Duncan Cameron. Yeah. Yep. Wait now We talked about James Cameron the director or we talking about another guy a third a third This is Duncan brother to David cousin of founder of the doughnut Empire Okay. Yeah got it. What you need to know about this man is that he was a I wouldn't say known psychic, but he was a self-reported known psychic. Well, how did he come across this guy? It's remember it's the 90s. So he's not like Googling it. So Nichols is a huge fan of paranormal and read magazines, books. He probably came across his name in one of those paranormal mangers digest.

Yes. Like one of those things. Exactly. Wieners Digest. Yeah. A Reader's Digest mixed in with Wieners Wieners Digest. That'd be my magazine. Jesse Cox presents Wieners Digest. Like 30 or 40 well crafted dong stories. You know what I'm saying? Like written by the great author wanted to put that on the coffee table. You didn't want to put on the coffee table. You thought you put Reader's Digest, but you ended up putting Wiener's. No, it's Wiener's Digest, but it's like really well done. Yeah. Very descriptive.

You read it for the articles. So I'm saying not a photo in sight, but a lot of ASCII dongs. ASCII dongs. So when Nichols reached out to meet Cameron and Cameron replied, they did eventually meet and to them, according to them, it was like putting two pieces of a shattered mirror coming back together. Cameron, it turned out, also claimed to have been involved in the Montauk project, but his role was vastly different from Nichols. While Nichols saw himself as a technical facilitator working on the machinery and electronics of the project,

Cameron believed that he had been used as a psychic conduit. Caterer slash groundskeeper. No. His mind was to be harnessed to manipulate reality itself. Oh my god. Yo, do they stick him in the big chair? Oh baby, just you wait. Hammer described being strapped into the Montauk chair. His mind amplified and directed by the scientists to create a manipulate and create and manipulate energy fields, open portals to other dimensions, and even influence the weather.

His accounts were chilling, fantastical, but they all resonated with Nichols' own fragmented memories, and he knew now that he must have gone through it all, that his memories must be true. The two men began to collaborate, sharing their experiences, comparing notes. Their recollections, while not always perfectly aligned, offered complementary perspectives on the alleged events at Montauk. Nichols technical knowledge and Cameron's psychic insights combined to form a more complete, albeit still perplexing, picture of the project's scope and ambition. They spoke of the Montauk chair, which is essentially the nexus of this secret project.

The Montauk chair is like everything. It does it all. The Montauk chair is a nexus of psychic energy, a gateway to other realities. They describe the manipulation of time and space, the creation of artificial vortexes, and the summoning of interdimensional beings. They spoke of the Montauk boys, the men whose minds were allegedly used as weapons. The centerpiece of Nichols and Cameron's chilling narrative was the enigmatic Montauk chair that it's not just like a normal like metal chair with wires. This thing was colossal. It was a huge metallic throne-like seat. I can't stop thinking about New Gods. I'm thinking of Metron. I'm thinking of Jack Kirby. I'm thinking of uh, when Snoke shows up in the first sequel and he's like, bring me Luke Skywalker, right? Or whatever he says.

I kind of picture like the iron throne, but instead of swords, it's all wires that come out of it instead. And like, you ever think about you ever think about how like in that movie, they just had a giant throne for a hologram? Yeah. It's like a chair that like puts a guy in itself. Yeah. You ever think like that? You ever think about that? It's almost, it's kind of weird. It's almost like they didn't know what they were going to do after the first. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. Yeah. Disney wouldn't do that. They wouldn't not plan for a trilogy ahead of time. I think that he was never going to be a giant because that'd be stupid and it's always gonna be an old man who served no purpose. He was always gonna be a weird clone thingy. Somehow Palpatine returned whatever, whatever Palpatine came back. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You know what matters? The fact that this guy found the real version of that in real life. He did. He did. Again, Star Wars is just soft disclosure. I think Wookiees are real. I'd love a Wookie. Did there's there's some comic book where Chewbacca lands on earth with Han Solo and Han Solo dies and he gets cited as as a as a as a Sasquatch. Yes.

And he like guards and guards the crash Millennium Falcon with the Han's body. The reason he's the reason that that there that there's Bigfoot legends. How have I read that? And I don't understand. I don't even remember where it comes from either. That doesn't check out

that that it's a long time ago in a far far away and if it was a long time ago and Wookiees aren't they don't live that long. Guys, I don't think it's even real. Listen, it doesn't matter. They're ruining canon in every way guys. Real Star Wars fans remember when Wookie when Chewbacca got crushed by a moon. Trust me. That's real lore. That's real. That's true Star Wars. There was a podcast out there that covered just the old camp. And the witches who ride rank horse also very important. I remember them the Dathomiri.

And the green guys who are extra sexy. Oh yeah. And like use their pheromones to bang people. You know real Star Wars. And there's the don't. And let's not forget the Yu Zhong Vong. The people who are blind. We're all just talking about the same like four year period. No, cause it's all terrible too. Like it's all bad. You know what? I feel like we deserve a message on Reddit. That's like, yeah, no guys get over it. Like grow up. It's kind of like Star Wars is kind of like a bankrupt universe for ideas and

stories. They don't, you know, they never leave their same four stories. I feel like we deserve to be shamed wrong with you guys. I will say the fifth episode of acolyte, the first four were fucking ass, but the fights in the fifth episode were fucking sick. Let me just stress. Let me just stress again. I've said this about Star Wars for years and this is why I can get through anything. All Star Wars is basically Doctor Who and that I see Doctor Who as two or three amazing episodes and the rest is hot garbage. Same thing, same with Star Wars. Star Wars is two or three phenomenal things and then just hot garbage comes. I watched Clone Wars y'all.

That is every season is like two or three bangers and then everything else sucks. That's sci-fi to me in general Read any of the old books. They're almost all terrible Sci-fi in general is two to three bangers and then something terror the rest is terrible and I'm like, yeah, all right I get it time travel and we're all squid now like even going back to TNG like you want to talk Star Trek the later dark or late seasons Do you remember when Deanna bangs her mom, like, no, grandma's ghost comes back or something fucking insane?

You remember in Voyager where they become lizards? Brother, all sci-fi is jank. You just have to accept it. Just accept it and appreciate it. When Wharf becomes like a giant monkey creature for a fucking episode. I'm saying! It's all wild. Appreciate it. I love it. For every time that your favorite character turns into a weird monster. There's an episode where they're like, we must determine whether this Android is in fact feeling real emotions.

And it's like, just accept, accept that it's going to be, everything's going to be stupid sometimes. Even that like covers like the basic, like it's, it's like an hour of television. Like it's not even that deep covers like the basic like it's it's like an hour of television. Like it's not even that deep. Like Measurement Man is a great episode of television. It's not even, it doesn't even barely dip into the ethical like discussion that it's trying to have. For every episode where there is an android questioning his own reality, there is an episode where a person falls through the ship and gets stuck between floors and dies. Kind of like the Philadelphia experiment, which is also directly tied to Project Montauk.

I know. Full circle. It's everywhere, bro. We're there. So yeah. Yeah. It's everywhere bro. We're there. So yeah. Yeah, so the Montauk chair is a colossal metallic throne, tons of wires, antennas, and an enigmatic technological contraption essentially. According to their accounts, this chair wasn't designed for mere relaxation obviously, but

for harnessing and amplifying what else but psychic abilities, opening doorways through alternate realities, and even manipulating the very fabric of time. Nichols, the electronic specialist, claimed to have been instrumental in the chair's construction and maintenance. He described meticulously soldering, intricate circuitry, fine tuning frequencies, calibrating the chair's complex systems. It was a task that demanded both technical expertise and a willingness to delve into the unknown.

Cameron, on the other hand, was the subject of the chair's experiments. He claimed to have been strapped into the chair on numerous occasions, his mind bombarded with electromagnetic waves, sensory stimuli, and even hallucinogenic. So wait, does it drive him? Like, if you get in the chair, are you in control of yourself? You're not. You're being forced through these tests. Like, the controls are outside of the chair where the scientists are doing it. It's not like cerebro in that way where you're actually in control. You're very much it's Cerebro, but somebody else is in control. So it's yeah. So it's not quite Cerebro. It's like, no, no, it's like putting a flash drive. It's like putting a flash flash drive in Cerebro and you're the flash drive. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I guess that's it works. So you're just a human flash drive,

but you're also connected to the network, I guess. So maybe you're like a, like a node, like a, like a human wifi bridge. Yeah. You're trying to workshop. This is great. Like, like your flash drive. Maybe, maybe we're like, remember those zip drives? Like one of those, like a big, like a little bigger, little less information. You're like a human zip drive. Remember zip drive I actually

Like sound off on our slash to money pod Let me know if you intrinsically know what a zip drive is don't Google it like no bullshit like for sure No, don't have to look it up. Yeah, don't look at do you know what the fuck a zip drive is Do you know what a zip drive is? God, man, that makes me feel I'm like, yeah, of course I do. Oh, of course they don't know. Of course they wouldn't know. Because even the zip drive, even in its prime was like a flash in the pan. A beta max. Yeah. It showed up and then the USBs showed up. I'm pretty close to after that. CDs rather CDs. Either one. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I'm trying to remember cause it was, I did it come between

three and a half eight and, uh, and it was was like it was like a thickie boy. It was like a fat the CDs already were out CDs were already out. But it was like you without you didn't have to burn and it had like 25 megabytes on it or some shit like it wasn't even I don't remember how much it was but it was like 100 megabytes. It's yeah, I remember those things. I've never had one. They were thick. They were thick like a piece of fucking like, like a slice of tomato that you put on like a

Beefsteak tomato slice is how big as if dry was I mean, yeah fucking it was huge So Cameron, so yeah, these are like you said your USB drive being plugged into the cerebro I guess is like the best way to do it Um, even at some he even says at some points he they even gave him hallucinogens before they strapped him into the chair That seems dangerous. He said the reason the scientists said they did that is they were attempting to break down his psychological barriers and unleash. A couple of us were reading Dune in the break room and we thought it would be chill to get

you fucking faded before you went into the fucking Mobius chair, bro. They thought that by breaking down his psychological barriers, they'd be able to unleash his latent psychic abilities and use them for their own purposes. Like, latent abilities. Like removing, turning the safety off of a gun, essentially. They were like, this will work. Cameron described the experience as both terrifying but still exhilarating.

He spoke of his consciousness expanding beyond the confines of his physical body, of traveling through time and space, of encountering strange creatures and otherworldly landscapes. But these experiences were not without their costs. The experience experiments left him physically and emotionally drained. What does it mean? I'm so sorry. We're gonna get we're gonna go to the details. We will go through the details of what that means of like going through

what it like what the mechanics of this are. I mean, what do you know? When you say he travels, when you say he went to these worlds and stuff, like, are we explaining how he experienced that? Like, like, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna see it through the eyes of somebody experiencing it. However, the way the chair works, again, he talks, he basically goes on to say, and later on, in books later, quantum jibble jabber. Like he just like nonsense quantum science

is his explanation as to how the chair works. Like I said, docking with your body in some way. I like don't, I, I couldn't tell you bro. I didn't read a book in the series. I don't know other than what's in the first book and then whatever I could fill in with other details that I could stab two needles, one into each of my eyeballs.

No, you like sit down. Then I think you get strapped in like literally strapped like jack into the back of your head like a like there's a hole back there. Dude, that'd be cool though, right? We should make a movie about that. Two guys named Tank and Dozer every time you operate. You know if you if I could change one thing about the world, it's that instead of saying hello when you answer the phone, you say operator. I mean, that'd be great. I would love that. Just like the matrix.

I mean, you used to. There was a time when you did. Yeah, I mean, I desperately, desperately wanted the cell phone that was in the matrix when that just like kicked out, like you'd press the button and it snapped out. And that was the thing. Yeah, you could get that. I couldn't get one like it was so brief in its time. You could also buy for a brief time more faces,heus's glasses. Didn't have the little pinch glasses.

That's not cool. That there's not very many people. Like here's what's up. Lawrence Fishburne, right? Very specific shape face. Okay. It works for him because, you know, they probably spend a lot of money on that. That's not one you can just free man.

That's not just the one you can free ball. I don't know. I feel like if someone out there wants to send the three of us Morpheus shades, we would wear them to the next live show. I'll free ball the Morpheus shades live for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I've not even come out in a duster jackets. I'll bring, I'll bring my rage against the machine.

We come out like one on one on that. We like, yeah, it'd be great. Look like we'll look like devil may cry OCs. As Nickel's work on the chair progressed, he began to notice strange phenomena occurring in the vicinity of the device alone, like just in the vicinity of the device. He described feeling a tingling sensation on his skin,

hearing strange whispers in his ears and experiencing a disorienting sense of vertigo. These sensations he would later claim were the result of the chair's interaction with the fabric of space-time. One day, think of it like when, and we'll talk about it in the upcoming episode in a couple of weeks, when Pukey guy is around the tall whites, how he gets a sense of feeling sick, almost like he's around something he shouldn't be and he vomits all the time. Like that, like he's around something

that's warping space. I remember I told you the story of where he walked into the ship that was bigger in the inside than it was on the outside and it made him feel sick. That's also like what this he's claiming being around the chair is giving him that kind of similar feeling from that other book,

from that other story. I mean, I guess that's like out of all the details, that's probably one of the more believable ones if we were to take the story at face value if the chair truly is warping the fabric of space time. In one day while he was working on the chair circuitry, he has a story and claims to have experienced a sudden and inexplicable surge of energy. The chairs, as he was working, he noticed the chair's controls light up. Its antennas began to hum in a vortex of swirling light appeared in front of him. It seemed to be malfunctioning before he could react. He was the before he could react. He was pulled into the vortex, his body dissolving into a stream

of energy and his consciousness hurtling through a tunnel of light and sound. Did he say, whoa. So let me ask you a question. His consciousness saw light, right? Or whatever. Okay, if we're talking about FPS, like if I was looking at like a video version of this, like from a first person shooter perspective, am I seeing out of someone's eyes? Like, am I actually experiencing the traveling?

Do you know what I mean? Like, do I see myself racing through space? Are you in first person or are you in third person? Is that what you're asking? If I'm, yeah, like what is he seeing? Like he doesn't really specify first or third person, how he's experiencing this. My understanding is probably from first person

and that you're seeing yourself get stretched out almost like you're getting pulled into a black hole like the the accretion disk of a black hole that slow pull because what's happening here is a it's not being he's not like getting warped to a spaceship or anything like that. What's happening is he's being ripped through the fabric of time and space like the chair malfunction while he's working on it and all of a sudden he's getting yanked through. After his consciousness is hurtled through the tunnel of light and sound, he kind of blacks out and he regains consciousness, what he imagines shortly thereafter, and he finds himself in a totally different location.

A strange, unfamiliar landscape greets him that seems to exist outside of normal space-time. He was disoriented and confused, unsure of how he had gotten where he was and what had happened to him. Now he describes these, he uses the term literally a temporal excursion. It was this particular temporal excursion as described by Nichols was not mere sightseeing trips. What they were supposed to be for were carefully orchestrated missions designed to test the limits of the Montauk Chair's capabilities and gather information from different points

in time. Nichols claims to have been sent to various historical periods, including ancient Egypt, medieval Rome, and even the distant future. In one particularly vivid account, Nichols describes being sent back to November 22nd, 1963. Surprise, this is JFK Episode 3. Alex, take it away. No, of course, the day JFK was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, he claims to have found himself positioned on a grassy knoll overlooking Dealey Plaza amidst the throngs

Positioned on the grassy knoll. He's on the grassy knoll. He takes the shot amidst the throngs of onlookers lining the motorcade route And as the presidential limousine approached a sense of dread washed over him He recognized the impending tragedy from news footage that he had seen years later and felt powerless to intervene. The shots rang out, shattering the afternoon calm and leaving Nichols with a horrifying sense of deja vu. The experience, he says, was both horrifying, confusing, exciting, leaving him with a profound sense of grief and renewed... Exciting?

Yeah, because he time traveled. He was excited. He looked down. He was wearing a babushka. He couldn't explain it. And he also felt a renewed sense of determination to expose the secrets of the Montauk project. If this is what they were doing, then they had to be stopped. What were they doing?

Going through, according to him, going to various points of time and gathering information. But he was like, this can't, you've got to stop. This is not allowed. Let me ask you a question. Does he have agency? He does, seemingly. Like he does seemingly have agency. So he could have been like, Mr. President, watch out.

But it seems that he describes it as though he was there moments before it was happened, by the time he realized what was about to happen, it happened. Is it quantum leap? Like is he inside? No, he's himself, he's there. So, okay, so he's now him in the grassy know Alexander

Louis Fasciani is standing on the grassy know witnessing this has physically that I'm excited and I think it's cool. But I feel a little bit of grief because I am standing there watching it now my physical body got it. Is he naked? No, he's got his clothes on. I think he doesn't really talk too much detail. Earth did he have his clothes on, I think. He doesn't really talk in too much detail. Earth did he have his clothes? All right, whatever.

Fine. In another incident that he claims happened, he claims to have been transported to Mars, but not like present day Mars, a Mars of the distant future. The familiar red landscape was sculpted by millennia of wind and dust dotted with the crumbling ruins of a once great civilization in the future. Yeah, but he's seeing towering structures of an alien architecture jutted from the ochre sands their surfaces etched with strange symbols and hieroglyphs. How far in the future? He just said

far future. Is it us? No, it was ancient aliens, but the future. Yeah, so it could be us. Like, like, let's say it's the future, but like in the ancient past, we went to Mars. We reverted to hieroglyphics. I think these are ancient alien. Maybe he doesn't speak English. Ancient alien ruins that he's seeing in the, but the machine sent him to the far future, but I still think they're like ancient alien ruins. So what you're saying is just the wind, the wind on Mars finally eroded Mars enough to see the ancient alien buildings that were under Mars. I got, I got some info for you. I'll continue and you might have the, maybe I'll answer your questions

and then you can ask your questions. Okay. And another piece of evidence, again, to the fact that he's physically was there is he talks about the air being thin and dry, carrying a metallic tang that stung his lungs. He's physically on Mars. He tasted Mars? He's physically on Mars right now, supposedly. You sure he wasn't physically on drugs? So Nichols cautiously began to explore this desolate alien world with his senses on high alert. The silence was broken only by the occasional

moan of the wind whipping through the ruined structures. As he ventured deeper into the alien city, he stumbled upon a hidden chamber, its entrance concealed by a shifting sand dune. Inside, he found a vast chamber filled with strange artifacts and holographic displays depicting a lost Martian civilization. Suddenly, a low hum filled the chamber and a group of figures emerged from the shadows. They were humanoid in form, but with slender builds, elongated limbs, and skin that shimmered with the otherworldly luminescence.

Their large black eyes. Whoa, pause, pause, pause. I think this guy might have been on Mars guys. I know, right? Okay. Hold on now. I went and I did the most research a guy can do in 30 seconds by going to Google and typing in. Yo, what would Mars taste and smell like? You said it tasted tart or tangy. What are you saying? Thin and dry, carried a metallic tang and that stung his lungs? All right, so You ready for this one? Mm-hmm. Um Mars would taste anywhere between raspberries and

seawater If you were to taste the air, okay, okay, it's not it potentially it's raspberries You potentially would have the smell of rum Well, okay, which alcohol would like. Yeah, that would burn your lungs. I got a weird weird. I think this guy, I think this guy was there. I think this guy was on.

I think this guy was there. It's possible. It's very funny. Maybe he's a government agent who's trying to get a little bit of the truth out there, but he has to mix it in a ton of lies. Could be the time. This could be the one time. You know, those little things they give you that like you when you're vaping and you don't want to vape anymore. So they just give you like flavored air Yes. Yes. Yes, like a flow whatever they're called. Yeah, I have no idea what you guys are talking about

Why would you do that? You just hit it and it gives you like a blast of like flavor But it's just you like sucking air from outside like we got offered a sponsor deal with them at one point I don't know if we I can't remember. I don't think we did. I don't understand it. You send me send me the send me the air. It's like to break the psychological habit of like going to vape because like it's like singing with a cigarette, right?

You have that you want a lot of it's just like it's comforting, like having a fucking sucking your thought was just oral fixation. Oral fixation fix. You know, try eating more. Yeah, you try eating more. That's worked for me for years. Like something between your fingers like a cigarette you can just kind of draw and it's just flavored air but at least kills that

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in legal states only please. No drugs, no illegal substances. None, zero. Yeah, these figures, humanoid in form, stepped out of the shadows, long slender builds, elongated limbs, and skin. I get the hiccups out of nowhere. And wait, so these are ancient aliens.

Yes. Yes. Let me read it. Okay. All right. All right. They were in humanoid and form long slender build elongated limbs skin that shimmered with the otherworldly with other

worldly luminescence their eyes. I mean their large black eyes regarded Nichols with curiosity and he said he felt a wave of telepathic communication wash over him. The beings, it turned out, were the descendants of the once thriving Martian civilization. They had retreated underground as their planets succumbed to a slow ecological collapse and had been monitoring Earth's development for centuries. Through telepathy, they shared their history with Nichols, a cautionary tale of environmental

destruction and the unintended consequences of unchecked technological advancement, which hilariously we're seeing with AI right now. And the amount of power AI requires is the, the, um, the projections of what they're saying they'll need for power are sustainable. We can't do it. And we're seeing that right now. So, Hey, maybe he was on Mars talking to aliens about Ecological disaster that happened to the planet. I'm just saying maybe it wasn't a total waste of my life to dedicate to the written word Maybe it wasn't man. Maybe it wasn't maybe not maybe they'll need me again The encounter left Nichols with a profound sense of awe and a renewed appreciation for the fragility of life on earth

It also underscored the potential for interstellar communication in the existence of intelligent life beyond our planet. Do you think he was the Jedi Master who ordered the clone army to be built? Dude, what was that Jedi Master's name though? Did we get a name? I can't. We did, right? Yeah, unfortunately, I know it. Just on the top. I have it right here. Cifo-Dyas? Cifo-Dyas, yes. Yeah, it's right here. I thought you were just thinking fucking it came right here. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's right here. Fucking game right back. Yeah. Yeah. Never shown. Never even shown in the film. Pretty weird.

There's like a backstory. There's like a, there's like a B plot in this episode of like our thoughts on the star wars, like media empire over the last 30 years. I don't know why that's happening. The prequel trilogy needed another movie in between Episode 1 and Episode 2 to describe what happened over the course of 15 years. That's called the Clone Wars TV show. Yeah, that came out right in time for episode 2. Yeah, just in time.

All the information you needed to know way later. Yeah, like this seems to be Star Wars. Modus operandi is to give you answers and then realize they probably should have given you years later in timeline. It's a bad habit that makes me so uninterested in most of Star Wars characters because I know how their fucking story ends, which is a testament to Andor storytelling because Andor is not fucking amazing. We have to move on.

We can't just be sitting talking Star Wars. So Nichols time Nichols time travel experiences were not always as dramatic as witnessing historical assassination or encountering an alien civilization. He also describes being sent on what might be considered mundane missions, such as retrieving specific objects or documents from the past. And this is where the issues are. So he's again more that he's physically there. But as instead of them becoming more scientific information gathering,

the longer it goes, the more the government starting to ask him to grab things out of the past. Yeah, objects documents these missions while seemingly less significant served a number of purposes. For one, they allowed the Montauk project scientists to gather historical artifacts and information that would otherwise be lost, otherwise be lost time. Imagine being tasked with retrieving a signed copy of the Declaration of Independence or like a scientific notebook with a famous inventor. These seemingly mundane objects could hold valuable clues about the past

and potentially even influence the course of the future. As to what happens when we remove it from time, which is, I know where you're about to go. I fucking couldn't tell you because he doesn't fucking explain No, okay, but what I'm I guess what I was gonna ask is like Is that the idea is like it? It was always removed from time Oh, so yeah, like is it that like a self-fulfilling time loop of they've always been they always go missing in this moment And time and it says no real beginning or an end. I don't know. I don't know if it's that. Did he actually go for a declaration

of independence or was that? No, that's me giving you an explanation. Giving you just an idea of what they were doing. Was he so bold as to claim that he has rescued any famous objects from history? Nothing that have stood out, no. Oh, man. I wish he was like the Library of Alexandria. He witnessed the JFK assassination. He should be in the photo of the grassy. No, we should. I thought you were going to say. I thought you were going to say that he pulled the trigger.

I was like, I thought you were going to say that he realized he was on the grassy know holding the gun and that he was the one who killed JFK as he time traveled. That would have been a much more entertaining story by by a long. That's less time travel and just quantum leap right. Like he's the body of the person doing a thing. Yes. He fires the bullet that kills JFK that he goes, Oh boy. And the other other questions like, can they just time travel to the moment it's taken and put it back like the Infinity Stones and end game?

Like, is that possible? I don't know. I don't believe they can. No. Secondly, these missions helped to hone the precision and control of the Montauk's chair time travel capabilities. By sending individuals on relatively straightforward retrieval missions, the scientists could refine their targeting and ensure that they were depositing their subjects in the correct time period and location. Each successful mission, no matter how seemingly insignificant, brought them one step closer to mastering the complexities of temporal manipulation.

So it's like a lot of like, like when you play Guitar Hero on the PS2 and they got to have you do that, like what do you call it? You know what I'm talking about. Where you're lying, you're clicking with the screen, the delay, you're calibrating it. That's the word i'm looking for

wow we took we took the long way to get to that we all got there we got there though look that's what we do when we're old we just work together and we just all say like it was it maybe it's it's like watching a grandparent go through every grandkid's name to get to the right one i know i replaced that information with like the 12 alien species. And so like, yeah, I don't know if it was worth it. Yeah. You know, it's like how Meowth gave up one of his move slots. I think Meowth gave up two of his move slots to learn English. Yes, you're right.

Actually. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Is that true? Is that canonically accurate? I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure it is. I was, you know, wait, so English is two slots. I think it's a whole other. Is there like a mouth that speaks Japanese? Like how many slots is that? I'd say at least three. Maybe it's reading and writing. Like maybe it's just one slot reading and one slot writing.

Yeah. And yeah, I'd say actually right. You're right. I don't know. Anyway, I think it's possible. I love. All right. Well, we got there. Yeah. These missions, these little retrieval missions were like calibrations for the chair itself. Uh, and last, can I ask one more question about the chair? I'm so sorry. Yeah. Anywhere in the book, does it say how he gets back?

It's the same kind of thing. The light, oh, he gets pulled into a light and let's warp of space and time around. So he's he know. So before he leaves, he's already the timer is counting down to when he's inevitably going to return. Yeah. So the first time it happens to him, it's an accident there on out. The science he remembers, the scientists also used actually used him on these things afterwards. What does he leave the chair like if he sits in the chair? Is he still in the chair while he's time traveling?

No, the body, oh, ye. See what I'm saying? Like there's no chair in 1960. I think his body is in the chair because the way he describes his consciousness being ripped out, then it must be- So it's just his mind. His consciousness being pulled out,

but he also was having physical, physical like feelings of like being on Mars and shit like that. And that's not quantum. We're grabbing and grabbing. Yeah. He's actually grabbing. So his body must be going.

His body must be in the chair. So that's, yeah, that's what I'm asking is like, and once in the sixties, how does want, do you go like ding, ding? Okay. So here's the issue. And I think I'm tracing it back. We're all picturing this thing with something on his head. He's just, no, not me

Okay, I'm picturing it like the movie timecop where they get into a vehicle that takes them back But then when they are back in time, there's no vehicle and then they somehow end up back in the future in a vehicle Which makes no sense. The chair activates. He's sitting in the chair. He vanishes from the chair He arrives back in time. The chair. He arrives back in time. The chair stays. He arrives back in time. How does he remember there? The chair amplifies their internal like subconscious and psychic ability. So I think it's attuned to the individual that's using it. Whoa. So if he's amplified, is there a point in time where he no longer needs the chair? No, because the chair actively amplifies it. It's not like he leaves the chair and he's permanent and sends him physically back in time. What he's so far back in time. It also sends him back in time. it. It's not like he leaves the chair and he's permanent and sends him physically back in time. What

he's so far from the chair back in time. It also sends him back in time. Yeah, it does a bunch of that. He comes back to the future via what the chair but the chair is not back in time with him. No, but the scientists are controlling it and I think the chair is connected to him so it can pull him back him back only him back when they go to sit in the chair to begin with, couldn't you just use the chair remotely at any time? What do you mean?

What? If the chair can pull you back through time, could you not have the chair send you places without sitting in it? No, cause I think you have to be like contacting the chair. They have to be touching the chair. I think you, I think you travel via the chair. I think you emerge from the chair.

Okay. But then wait, does the chair go back in time? Does not go back in with them. No, I think the chair sends you back. So it's the movie time cup. Yeah. And then I think, but I think what happens is they go, I think they go, all right, motherfucker, you have two hours to get the declaration of independence. And then we're pulling the trigger on this. And then you're getting pulled back. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's a movie time Cup and the movie time cop they are a vehicle back into time But when they emerge on the other side of the portal, it's just them Yet when they jump back in the portal to go back to the future They arrive back in the future in the vehicle in the car So maybe he rides back in the past but in a sitting position and then he fall on the ground and he has to get up

And it's always just like time cop John Cla band ams time cop i've never seen time cop i don't know when did time cop come out what year 95 okay so after this book came out time cop stole this okay it sounds more like stargate to me honestly like if we're talking about what it sounds like it sounds like and the more we go into this the more it's not really like stranger things even though stranger things was based on it but you know it's just more about in Stranger Things, like, okay, first thing they enhance psychic abilities of the kids. Yeah, I get that ripping of two dimensions is like that. Yeah, it has like the like, there's a there's a like, yeah, research place in New Jersey

ish. You know, it's like that kind of thing, right? Yeah. We got to keep like, we just got to keep moving. We're like just halfway through. This is more. I just can't, I'm just, there's a lot of questions about the chair.

That's all. Oh, sure. And hold on to those questions, because again, maybe they'll be answered as we continue on. It's a, you know, it's just, I imagine you're right though. Alex is right where he said,

they kind of be like, okay, we're gonna pull you in two hours. You should arrive around this area, go get this. And when you have it, just like stay out of people's sight. Yeah, I'm just trying to build this reality for myself. You know what I'm saying? My mind I just want to finally these missions were also demonstrated the potential for the Montauk

projects technology to be used for non military purposes. While the project's primary focus was on national security, intelligence gathering, military industrial complex, blah, blah, blah, the ability to time travel through time and retrieve objects from the past opened up a whole new realm of possibilities. Imagine the number of scientific breakthroughs that could be achieved by studying historical artifacts

or artifacts from the far-fung future. The potential benefits, while overshadowed by the project's more nefarious goals, were nonetheless significant. And as the experiments progressed, Nichols claims to have become increasingly alarmed by the project's reckless disregard for the consequences of their actions. He witnessed the creation of, and this is going to answer your questions, temporal paradoxes,

where changes made in the past had unintended and often catastrophic events, effects on the present. He saw the toll the experiments took on the Montauk boys, their minds and bodies ravaged by the repeated exposure to the chair's powerful energies. They bodied the boys. They bodied the boys. The concept of inter-dimensional contact is also one of the more outlandish and fantastical elements of the Montauk Project narrative, but it's also part of it. According to Nichols, the experiments at Montauk were not limited to manipulating time and space within our own dimension. They also involved opening gateways to other realms and establishing contact with beings

from these parallel universes. Nichols that is start right there. Bang. Nichols describes these interdimensional beings as a menagerie of bizarre and enigmatic entities. Yo, like the guy from Stranger Things, the tornado monster. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Huge monster. Have you never seen Stranger Things, Mathis? What's the, I've seen season one, two and a half of three and then I stopped. You know what? I give up. I'm not even gonna add, you know what? I'm just gonna say the things I want to say and I'm not gonna even

assume you know what I'm talking about. Just assume the audience understands your references. Yeah, I just, I've given up, man. I'm usually with you, you know? I'm talking about. Just assume the audience understands your references. Yeah, just I give it up. I'm usually with you. You know, I'm usually with you. I'm usually I usually know where you're some of these beings appeared as towering creatures of pure energy. Their forms shifting and pulsating with an otherworldly light. Others resembled insectoid creatures with multifaceted eyes and chitinous exoskeletons. Still others defied any Earthly Earthly classification. Their forms existing beyond the limitations of human comprehension. I imagine that's like what the biblical angels, you know what I mean? Like those bizarre just like a

mind melting form that you can like only see like a little figure on the table. That's like an avatar for what's really being represented. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's exactly it. Celestials, Marvel comics. These beings possessed vastly different understandings of reality as well. Some Nichols claim were benevolent observers existing beyond the constraints of time and space and offering guidance to the Montauk project scientists. They warned of the dangers of tampering with the fabric of reality and the potential of unleashing unforeseen consequences. Their messages often cryptic and metaphorical as most are, spoke of the interconnectedness

of all things and the delicate balance that existed between dimensions. Other interdimensional entities, however, were far more benevolent. Nichols describes encountering also malevolent forces that were driven by hunger or ambition, who sought to exploit the Montauk project's technology for their own sinister purposes. These entities, he claims, were responsible for some of the most disturbing and destructive phenomena witnessed at Montauk. They possess the ability to manipulate human minds and bodies, driving some scientists and technicians to madness or transforming them into grotesque parodies of their former

selves. We're like true body horror shit is happening as they keep bringing in these entities from varying. Did you read specific accounts of body horror? Uh, not in the first book, no, but they're out there. I know they're in other books because other people have talked about them, but I have not read the other books. I just don't have the time to go through

an enormous series. Just extremely gory, just absolute. No, no, no. Like many things, very vague, somewhat like descriptive, but like not a whole lot of like minute detail there. The methods that were used to establish contact with these interdimensional beings varied, but often involved a complex interplay between the Montauk's chair technological capabilities and Duncan Cameron's unique psychic abilities. Nichols. Remember he is the member going back to Duncan Cameron. He claims he was the center

point and like the the game hallucinogenics to just so like he was like the key that opened up other dimensions like they couldn't get to the sure he didn't just like take shrooms and sit down. I don't know. He may have me like he closed his eyes for 10 seconds like dude, this chair took me somewhere bro is crazy. Yeah, it's gonna be I was gone. I sat down and I was in I shot JFK man. It was crazy. It kind of sounds like that. Yeah, but Duncan is like the key without him. They can't do these are like rip into other dimensions and shit. Nichols describes a Montauk chair being used to amplify

Cameron's mental energy, essentially, creating a psychic beacon that could pierce the veil between dimensions. So like, visually, I just imagine like, all right, ready? Ready, scientist? Okay, three, two, they flip a switch. And he just don't can open his eyes just bright lights just being out of his eyes in his mouth while as like a beacon pulling over weird entities. Because that's what they said. He said it acts.

It turns them into like a beacon for other interdimensional creatures to enter into our reality. They turn insane. It's fucking wild. So so the vibe around the office was like man as God's classical sci fi Machiavellian. Yeah. Fantasy, right? Like everybody was just like, what new world shall we peer into today, brother? In the halls of science. Like meanwhile, Cameron's just like having some pretzels sitting on the chair. Yeah,

like he's like the beacon. Yeah. Yeah. Engage the man. Give him his snacks. Make sure he has plenty of juice. He's going to need the energy. And him his snacks. Make sure he has plenty of juice. He's going to need the energy. And you're right, because Cameron needing that energy, when subjected to this amplified state, would enter trance-like states that lasted for hours, sometimes even days. So he was just stuck.

And while in this trance, Cameron's body would convulse and writhe as he became a conduit, his consciousness projected into these other dimensions. And according to Nichols, Cameron would then experience a flood of images, sensations, and overwhelming and disturbing, a chaotic blend of sights, sounds, and emotions that defied human comprehension. And during it all, he was like blab, babbling it all, like just like blah, blah, blah, just talking about what's happening. And upon emerging from his trance, Cameron would be left physically and mentally exhausted,

but he would attempt to relay the more important messages and images that he'd received from these other worldly beings. And the scientists would then painstakingly sift through Cameron's often fragmented and cryptic descriptions, trying to decipher their meaning and assess the intentions of the entities that they had contacted. Man, can I just say, just for a second, everybody like, like the Montauk project has some big balls in the community as like one of the big lore elements. Indistinguishable at this point from the green stone in terms of what we're talking about going down, indistinguishable at this point from the green stone in terms of what we're talking about going down indistinguishable from it and yet i'm the one taking flack when we're saying here's the difference

why can't it be good why can't it be serious like the montauk project why does it have to be so out there and unbelievable like talking to other worldly creatures through their minds using one man as a beacon like in the green stone. I'm not going to turn this into four episodes, Alex. It's going to be a one-off and it'll be done. It'll be a start to finish and there I didn't, I didn't turn it into four. I, you know what turned it into four episodes? Real life. You know what I mean? It was just so big, but that's as big as it was. But that's you, you were unable to resist the temptation of digging deeper the same amount of depth for this shit exists And I refuse I refuse I want somebody had to know what it felt like

Somebody had to know what what it felt like to go so deep and get so close because I think unlike the greenstone as well The Montauk project starts as like a government secret technology reality manipulating like nothing that different from the Philadelphia experiment. It's as it continues to pump out books that it gets more and more and more fantastical and bizarre which is another part of it, but I'm just defending. It's like starts building its own like storytelling. Literally. Yeah. Yeah.

Very good. And that is very green stone. I just don't want to ever go that deep with this. I'm good. I wanna know the conspiracy level stuff and nothing else. So yeah, the scientists had to sift through Cameron's essentially nonsense. And the encounters with these interdimensional beings were not always peaceful or productive.

On one occasion, it's described, Nichols describes rather a harrowing incident where a malevolent entity resembling a writhing mass of tentacles and barbed teeth attempted to manifest itself within the Montauk facility. Alarms blared, the very air crackled with a malevolent energy as the entity lashed out, its psychic tendrils seeking to ensnare any unfortunate soul came within its reach. Does it come out of the man's mouth? It starts ripping into reality, tearing into reality. unfortunate soul came within its reach. Does it come out of the man's mouth? Like does it come out? It starts ripping into reality, like tearing into reality. Just like through the literal seams of creation.

Yes, correct. Security personnel armed with experimental energy weapons developed during the project were deployed to repel... Get the fuck out of here! They were...no, they got... Experimental laser rifles? Yeah, they got the laser...ex Yeah, they got the experimental laser rifles.

Every scientist in this is sounds like Orson Welles in my mind. The monster it's coming through. Deploy the rifles. And a fierce battle ensued. The flickering light of the experimental weaponry casting an eerie glow on the struggle. The scientists scrambling to deactivate the Montauk chair and sever the psychic link with the entity eventually succeeded in banishing it back to its home dimension. All I can picture is like P commercial orson wells.

It's like, stop the monsters. Someone's got to shut down the power to the chair This coming through the wall Rabalais arrival This this incident was a cause to raise security and precautions around experience moving forward um Goddamn it and precautions around experiments moving forward. God damn it. Nichols accounts detail. Fire damn you, are you a man or are you a god?

How dare you make fun of this very true scientific event and the horrors that Cameron and Nichols had to go through for the future of humanity, god damn it, Jesse. The phrase are you a man or are you a god is amazing. are you a man or are you a god is amazing. Are you a man or are you a god? That's a reference to Ghostbusters, right? No, it's like, yeah, like I guess, yeah, like clocks. Yeah, that's in there.

I don't know, man. I don't know. I mean, like, you're right. It is. It is. I've seen Ghostbusters. All right. I've seen that. Say you're a god. No, we get it. We get it. I get it. Yeah. Um, Nichols account detail. A chill. God damn it. Okay.

Uh, inside my mind is Bob tendrils. The other thing the machine did on a less extreme level was subliminal messaging. A technique that subtly influenced the thoughts in my, uh, the thoughts and behaviors through hidden cues was allegedly employed through a constant barrage of carefully crafted audio and visual stimuli. These messages designed to bypass conscious awareness aimed to implant specific thoughts, emotions, and desires directly into the subconscious mind of the subject,

AKA the winter soldier, basically just or mentoring candidate or whatever. Fuck you on like just a program sleeper agents. brainwashing techniques often associated with with the cults and shit were also allegedly unilaterally implications like the amount of like other shit that is being implied by what you're saying like, like a brainwashing program is like so much more depth. It's just so funny. I know. Here's another one. The project's methods went beyond mere psychological manipulation. Nichols describes the use of invasive technologies

such as the implantation of microchips to directly interface with the human brain. These chips, according to his accounts, were miniature marvels of engineering capable of receiving and transmitting complex neural signals. And once implanted, the chips could monitor the subject's brainwave patterns in real time, allowing the project scientists to track their emotional state, measure their cognitive function, and even identify specific memories or thought patterns. And the chips could also be used

to deliver electrical pulses or other stimuli directly to the brain, potentially altering mood, inducing hallucinations, or even eliciting specific behaviors. What years this again? 1992 is the book came out all the way through like the late nineties, 98, I think is when the last one came out. But no, no, no. When, when is this occurring? Oh, like the, this is the nineties, this is early nineties, early mid nineties. So this, so these, these chips are running, I think microchips were like scientific, like a thing that was like a scientific, like sci-fi

or at least like believable in that way. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So the idea of a microchip is, is out there. Yeah. I just don't. Yeah. We, we have only just entered the time where somebody actually gave it, like tried it for the first time. Like if we covered this project, this thing is one of our first episodes, like it'd still be in the realm of like sci-fi. Yeah, and he's playing Civ. Like the computer's not. And it's also like already deteriorated

to the point where it's harder to use. Like it's already falling apart. The use of electromagnetic frequencies was another key aspect of the project, project's alleged mind control program. Nichols described the Montauk chair as a conduit for these frequencies, capable of transmitting powerful energy waves that

can induce altered states of consciousness, erase memories, or implant new ones, the very reason he couldn't remember all the things that had happened to him when he worked for the Montauk project. The ultimate goal of these experiments, according to Nichols, was to create a programmable human workforce, a cater of individuals who could be remotely controlled and manipulate to carry out any task without question or hesitation. These psychic soldiers, as he puts them, as would be the ultimate weapons in the government's arsenal capable of espionage, sabotage, and even assassination. It seems like honestly like like it seems so less convenient than just having a guy who does who just like follows orders.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We're entering the last bit here. And while the Montauk the Montauk project ambitions according to Nichols also extended and beyond mere mind control and time travel. Nickel accounts while light on specifics as always, he hints at a disturbing foray into genetic engineering. Project scientists, it seems, were not content with manipulating minds,

but they also sought to manipulate the very essence of human life. Did a little bit of everything. Literally, that's what I'm saying. This is why I said in the beginning, this is a conspiracy theory that seems to touch all conspiracy theories. These experiments were supposedly aimed

at splicing human DNA with animal DNA in an attempt to create soldiers with enhanced strength, speed, or endurance. Lichen tints? Yes, kind of. Genome engineering? Cheetah legs on a regular man? Or to breed beings or create beings with heightened senses or psychic abilities. Like the dude who control bees with his mind.

Yes, like him. Exactly. Sean Bean. Dude, again, that movie was Jupiter Sending was also soft disclosure. If anything was, it was 100 percent that movie. It had to have been breaking through. Release the psychic cheetah man. God, that'd be great if we had an army of fucking psychic cheetah men. Amazing. I'm in.

I will, I don't care. Turn me into one of them. The possibilities, while fantastical, are nonetheless unsettling, if true. Nichols also mentions attempts to clone individuals and create duplicates, perhaps for infiltration or assassination purposes. These genetic engineering experiments, again, he leaves light on the details. The final experiment that is used within Project Montauk is dubbed the Seeing Eye Project.

As described by Nichols in his Montauk Project book, was a chilling initiative aimed at developing a psychic surveillance system capable of monitoring individual thoughts and emotions remotely. This alleged project operating within the larger framework of the Montauk project sought to weaponize psychic abilities for the purpose of surveillance and control. According to him, the Seeing Eye project utilized the Montauk chair as its primary tool and with the chair, its ability to amplify psychic powers was allegedly used to create a psychic link between an operator and a target individual. The operator seated in the chair would focus their mental energy on the target, attempting to establish a telepathic connection and access their thoughts and emotions.

This is the most cerebral part of the Montauk chair. This is literally like, like reading them like a file. Pretty much reading their brains like a file and being able to like track them literally Cerebro. Like this is why I was like, you're right. Can you then control? So the psychic link, Nichols claims, allowed the operator to see through the eyes of the target,

hear their thoughts and even feel their emotions. It was a form of remote viewing taken to the extreme, a surveillance tool that could bypass human physical barriers, but there was no controlling aspect to it is purely for surveillance. The implication of such technology obviously would be chilling. If the seeing eye project was indeed real, it would grant the government unprecedented power to monitor and control the population. But obviously, there's no evidence

that any of this is fucking happened. Not a lot of word on the street about this since this one series of books. Correct. Nichols accounts of the Seeing Eye project are often really fucking vague and lack a bunch of details. He does not elaborate on the specific methods used to establish the psychic link

or the technology employed to amplify or transmit the signals. He just paints a very vivid picture of the project's potential for abuse, describing the scenarios where individuals are targeted for surveillance based on their political beliefs, affiliations, or even their potential for psychic abilities. The Seeing Eye Project, if it existed, obviously it would be horrifying, but yeah, like I said, there's really nothing else. A lot of times when we could have used this.

That's all I'm saying. If it was out there, there's a lot of times we could have used this and stop some pretty serious. I would know what the UAPs are if we could do this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So even according to their own narrative, the Montauk project was not merely a scientific endeavor, but obviously a clandestine military operation with hopeful, far reaching implications for national security and global dominance. But the scientists and military personnel involved in the project allegedly sought to weaponize all this shit. And that also brings us like where are all the other whistleblowers that were involved in this? Where are the other people who witnessed it? Maybe their memories were erased better than these guys? Like we have no fucking idea. Nichols claims that the technology that was used for the Montauk project, particularly the Montauk chair, where its origin comes from, used for the Montauk project, particularly the Montauk chair, where its origin comes from,

is a direct descendant from the experimental technology that was used in the Philadelphia experiment. I told you it would all tie in. The Philadelphia experiment's tech was the prototype that led to the Montauk chair. He suggests that the scientists at Montauk, aware of the strange and unpredictable effects of the strange and unpredictable effects of the Philadelphia experiment on the USS Eldridge, sought to understand and refine the underlying principles. They saw the horrifying like state the ship came back in. They're like, we could use that. They theorized that the experiment's invisibility effect was not solely based on manipulating electromagnetic fields, but also involved a warping of space-time itself.

The theory became the foundation for the Montauk Chair's development, according to Nichols, and by studying recovered logs, eyewitness accounts, and the physical evidence of the USS Eldridge's alleged teleportation and temporal displacement, the Montauk scientists believed they could replicate and even control these phenomena. The Montauk Chair, therefore, was designed not just to cloak objects from radar detection, but to manipulate the very fabric of reality, allowing them a desk allowing for time travel, interdimensional travel, and all the other mind bending shit that the chair was capable of. It seems like a big upgrade from the Philadelphia experiment.

Oh yeah, it was a big jump, man. They went, they like skipped the Xbox 360 era and went right to like PS4. Yeah, they did a big jump. They did as the as he dealt with a deeper as Nichols delve deeper into the project's activities witnessing firsthand the disturbing experiments and the toll they took on the subjects He began to question the ethics of his involvement He was troubled by the blatant disregard for human life and the potential consequences of tampering with the fabric of space and time The breaking point he, came when he witnessed a particularly horrific experiment involving a young boy

who was subjected to extreme levels of psychic manipulation. The boy's agonizing screams and the scientist's callous indifferences to his suffering filled Nichols with a profound sense of revulsion and a determination to break free of the project's clutches. However, leaving the Montauk project was not a simple matter. Nichols was bound by secrecy and oaths and the threat of dire consequences should he reveal what he had seen and experienced. He knew that the project's shadowy overseers would not hesitate to silence him if he posed a threat to their operation.

But despite the risk, Nichols began to distance himself from the project, gradually reducing his involvement in avoiding direct participation in the experiments. He wrote a book. He was solace in his personal studies, immersing himself in the world of parapsychology and seeking answers to questions that haunt him. And eventually, Nichols claims that he faked his own death, disappearing from the project's radar and assuming a new identity, he moved to a different location, severed ties with

former colleagues, and tried to bury different location, sever ties with former colleagues and tried to bury his memories of the Montauk project deep within his subconscious. So none of this actually took place during the nineties? No, the book came out in 1992. Oh, I'm understanding, but Alex earlier asked because he was talking about the chips and he was like, when does this take place? And the answer was the nineties. This had to have been, if he vanished and then pretended to die, this was the seventies. I guess I meant, I answered that in the way of how long it has like, when the book came out, where the idea of microchips around and I was like, yeah, no, they were. But yeah, you're right. If this is according to him, this is in the seventies ish eighties ish. It would have to eighties probably

make sense if we're doing strange things. Sure. I guess I just wanted to see how ridiculous it was that these were head implanted microchips. Very. I guess I just wanted to see how ridiculous it was that these were head implanted microchips. Very is the answer. He moved to a different location, like I said. And yeah, so he basically buried the memories, his own memories got buried by his own training, his own psychic training. However, the past had a way of catching up with them. And that faded regnate radio signal that triggered his initial memory recovery would continue to

haunt him. And he would never be able to forget the project again. Nichols departure from the project as he describes it was a desperate act of self-preservation and a moral awakening. It was a decision driven by a desire to escape the darkness of the Montauk project and reclaim this humanity. However, the scars and experiences would remain with him and after time in the 90s, he basically after all his memories, he basically said the reason he wrote the book is he could no longer be complicit in hiding the government's heinous experiments. He just said fuck it.

And so he said fuck it. And it turned out it was fine. Him and Cameron got together, crossed notes, and he wrote a book and published The Truth for all to see. No one ever came after him, no matter what. It's true, no one ever came after him again. He died, I think he was like in his eighties or late seventies in 2018. Oh my God. So really recently. Yeah, really, really recently. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Damn. RIP dude.

He's oh, sorry. I gave the wrong date of birth. He was born in 1953, not 43, my bad. But yeah, he had a wife and a child too. But again, like this very little known, he very much kept his life even up to the point where he died pretty private outside. What happened with his wife and kid? They also divorced his wife. It's an egg. He was an ex wife. I, um, and there was nothing about, I don't know what his relationship with this kid

is like. I have no idea what it was like at all. When he disappeared, was he with them? No, he met them afterward, after that whole thing. Ah, in his new life. Yes, in his new life. Exactly. So he potentially threatened his wife and child by releasing this information to the public, knowing these people would kill him. Are we sure they didn't get him? But they need to make sure,

but he needs to make sure that the greater humanity is safe from the government, even if it means putting his family at risk. Do you think they time traveled to the future and killed him to make it look like he died of old age? I think you figured it out. And that's the button on today's Oh, fuck. Killed him to make it look like he died of old age. I think you figured it out. And that's the button on today's episode, boys. That is the story of the Montauk project.

Shuston B Nichols kind of covering that for the, from Philadelphia experiment here that kind of covers that whole, that whole thing. Cause they're, they're like a two parter that I forgot was like a two parter. Cause I forgot Montauk project was tied to the Philadelphia experiment until I started doing the episode. So it's a fun one. Thank you, boys, for letting me babble at you about you. Of course, we'll be back next week with a brand new episode. We're off to patreon.com right now. slash Chilly Manati pod do a

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