Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 267 - The Alex Faciane H8 Multiple Choice Game Show! with NEW Information!

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

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Vovin. And Lexus? Lexus, yep. Just like the, you would spell it for the car. Right, but I have no idea what that is. Yeah, this is above my pay grade. Yeah, it's a Russian comedy duo known for their prank phone calls to other celebrities.

They were accused of being Russian state actors. Cool, awesome. Nice, great. I'm vulva, yeah. Yeah, you're vulvin'? Yeah, yeah, him. Yeah, yeah. There's no really, that bit can't go.

Yeah, that bit can't go anywhere. You're more lux than me. Like, Jesse's like across the sea. Like he's like in England. It's true. Like right now he's in England right now. Yep. He's definitely Lexus.

Or is he? Or is reality nothing more than a projected hologram of the fourth dimension on a three dimensional space and he could be anywhere and everywhere all at fucking once. He said he's Carmen Sandiego and I think it's funny that you should say that. Because Carmen San Diego wears a red coat. And it is time, ladies and gentlemen, to begin part one of a four parter about the red stone. Just kidding.

Dude, I'm tough. I'd be like, I'm taking my headphones off. You got. Just kidding. You got hoaxed. You got hoaxed. You got hoaxed. You got hoaxed. It's actually time for Game Show 8H. Yay, look at this. Pageantry.

It's been months since I haven't had to do an episode. And of course, Alex just starts with chaos. You even skipped the Patreon show. No, I didn't. Game Show 8H. That's right. That's what it's called. Game Show 8H. It's called the Patreon show. No, I didn't. Ah, Game Show 8H! That's right, that's what it's called. Game Show 8H. It's called The Game Show!

That buys me time! So here's the deal. I'm married now. My wedding planning and husband becoming duties are done, right? And now that I have time to do research again, the resolution to this long-winded mystery that I've been concocting over the past however long, regardless you care about it or not I've been doing it over the past few months it's about to resolve the end is in sight and there's a lot of special guests along the way and a lot of stuff that's cool that's coming soon and indeed because above

all we love our listeners here on the Chiluminati podcast. The name of the game during this game show themed gimmick episode is substance. The name of the game is substance. So today we're going to be revisiting all the 8H topics so far in my little progression. Okay? We're going to play a quick little game show segment for each one, a quick game show segment. And then almost like Unsolved Mysteries updates, we're gonna get some actual brand new juicy good information about each topic as we play, and if you win this game show, you are competing against each other, in addition to an incredible

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The game that we are playing is Hangman. OK, you guys know how to play Hangman. You guys. Yeah, yes. You guys guess a word and are a letter and I will tell you whether or not it's in the word. And I'm going to give you the shape of the word now in the chat so you can see it. All right. Just like this. Very involved for our listeners. You can. That's OK. You don't have to follow along like that. So it's more of a phrase than a word. Yeah, yeah. It's three words.

It's three words, but it's one thing. Sure, sure. It's three words, but it's one thing. That's what I'll tell you. And... Yeah, it's a, yeah, all right. Are you gonna update this or should I get a pen? Yeah, yeah, I need to manually track this shit.

I've got, like, look, give me some credit. Look, give me some credit. If there's one thing that I do well, it's getting overcomplicated. So let's just, let's just kick back, relax, have faith in the fact that you're gonna get an incredible prize if you win, and let's play some motherfucking hangman.

Jesse. Before we do, before we do. Yeah, sure. For those at home who are curious, it is five, 3, and then a number that I don't want to count. I think it's 12. There you go. It's 12. 5, 3, and 12.

That's how many letters, okay? Yeah. So now, Jesse, if you please, any letter of the alphabet. Least misses wins the point. A. There are two A's. Very nice, very nice. Okay, so I'm going to update the A's. Two A's.

One A in the first word, second letter, and one A in that third word? Somewhere in that third word. Like seven-in-ish. Yeah, somewhere around that. It's the eighth position. It's the eighth position.

It's close enough. Mathis? I'm gonna go with T. T. There is... We like T. T is good. There is no T. Wow.

Mathis has one miss. What? And now our little man has legs. Oh fuck. Okay? So you can see... You're not starting with the head first? No! You start with the circle at the top. Here's his legs, okay? Or the scaffolding?

You can see those are just... Look, it's a legs. Get it? Leave it? Love it or leave it? I don't know, it looks like you're about to start making a pyramid and I'm sure this is gonna be like, actually the man was a green stone. No, no, no. Okay, Jesse, what's your next letter? E. E. There are two E's. Love it. Love it. And vowels.

Both in the last word, two E's. Both in the last word? Now this last word, it isn't... Battelle. There's no T though. Yeah, no, none. Now this last word it isn't Battelle There's no T though. Yeah, no none Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay Mathis second letter and fifth letter in the last word

Let's let's go ahead and throw a bee in there and see if anything happens a bee there are no bees That's another miss for Mathis is I'm just gonna choke on this rope here our little guy he's got a body now oh fuck you better be careful damn our little man has a body okay Jesse Mathis you did T and V be like B's ah then I will do... C. There are... no C's! That's another miss for Jesse. And now our little guy... Dude? Damn, he's got hands. Oh no. This guy's in trouble, okay? Don't worry. That's no good.

So no C's either. Okay, Mathis, what do you got? Let's see. What about O? Oh, there is one O in the second position. Love that. Got something. The second position of the second word, there is an O. Okay. What? You asked. Uh-huh. There it is. Second position of the second word is no. Okay.

Jesse. Is there a why? There is. No why's! That's another miss for Jesse. We are on to, he's got boots. Our little guy. I'm gonna put boots on him.

Oh wow, he just gets clothing. He has, look at our little guy now. He's got boots on. He's got like little Timbalands on This is a very visual gag for the listeners Yeah, no excited for them if you if your eyes if your eyes are in your head You know if you can imagine it you can do it because that's I'm right Right like the drawing is gonna be underwhelming if you're dying to see it. Don't don't build it up too much Okay, just so you guys know you guys just did TCB why for some reason.

Those are the those are the frozen yogurt. OK, oh, OK, what do you got? I'm going to go with N and there are three and oh, shit. That's huge. That winning is open. Yeah. And I'll give us a little hint. Lots of ends, lots of ends in the third word. It turns it into anin. Yeah. Yeah Okay staring at the word trying to figure that what do you what do you got? Hmm an S

Yes, there is No, s Wow There is not an s and that puts oh man. you're getting close. You're like one away from... From... Oh no, no, no. Just kidding. You still have shirt. I mean, I don't even like this guy, so it's fine. Yeah, he's not even there. He could be a criminal.

He could have killed six people upstate for all I know. He's got a shirt on now. Just barely. He's like Donald Ducking it with a shirt. I feel like we are no closer. I know. I can't. Unless there's an L in there that like is helpful. I don't know. If it helps, you're probably not gonna get it.

What's the next letter? What do you got? Let's just go with the one before N. M. M. I like M. There are two M's. Nice, that's good. I have no answers for you on this one.

Did we already say I? I'll say an I That's always a good one, too. There is one I okay. The question is where the hell is the Everything or nothing honestly with what we have here. Yeah, ma blank. I blank. This is so good. I'm gonna warn you guys you have two left two misses left I Can see the hangman he's coming up the he's coming up the road he's There's a little cloud of dust coming up middle word is I do not know what that middle word I've been yeah, I've been trying to figure out this middle word for such a long time I could not it has a O in the middle and No L's no no M's no N's no T's

No U's no Y's If it makes you feel any better, you're not gonna get it. I mean it doesn't If anything that that means this is an entire waste of time No, what you're trying what you're what you're trying to do is miss less letters. Have we guessed F? You have not. F is good.

I'll go with F. Let's try F. F. There are two F's. Good work. Alright, alright. It's like F-O-F. Fof. What does it fit? Question is where are the F's. Yeah, I swear to God if what?

How is that the F? What? F's are at the end. All right. First off, is this a real word? It refers to a real thing. This is the name of something. Is it a real word? Are all three of these real words?

They're words. Real in the dictionary words? No way. Okay. So me looking at M-FF trying to figure out what would fit in there is nonsense because none of this is real. And this is all insane gibberish. All you have to do all you have to do is miss less letters. You can look at the shape of the word you can guess. Just a game. Just a little game. A little game to get you some nice. Only vowel we haven't used yet. You? No, we used you. Didn't we? Oh, we did? No. We did A, we did B, we did C, we did E, we've done F. I'm just gonna go down the list. G, baby.

G? Yeah. There are... No, geez. Our guy now has alien antenna on his head And I can see right now. It's like crazy. What's happening these guys are are building a like It's like thing and oh it doesn't look good for this guy. It doesn't look good for him

We said we guessed L. It doesn't look good like look what I did I built a built a thing next to the guy. If his head comes in there, there's one more miss. Like I think this guy's going to die. What do you say, Mathis? Let's go with P. P? Yeah. There is one P.

Damn. Ow. Ow. What? What's hilarious about this is I started off with like, I'm going to try and spell something, and Mathis is just randomly guessing and winning, and it's driving me crazy.

I'm literally infuriated by this. That's how you're going to feel when the aliens end up being real one day. You're going to be- I will be equally as upset. Yeah, I'll be like, come on, guys. The last five letters of this word are A-M-P-F-F. What?

What do you got, Jesse? Yeah, I don't care. K. K? Yeah. Wait, K? K. There is two Ks. The random guessing is just, it works a little better.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just get a randomly guess now. I want to know what this is. I'm worried the last bit's gonna be comp and I'm not okay. I'm not liking this. Yeah, yeah, no, it is. Yeah, it is. You're correct.

M-A-I-K. The middle word is still dash O dash. No idea what that is. And then N and compf. And I, is there's a- Oh, there's a disparity here. I'm so sorry. We deserve a limb back.

Okay. I'll take one of the antenna off. What's the disparity? Yeah, I'm curious where actually the disparity is. There's actually one more N. Oh, does okay did we guess Jay already nope I would assume that's I would assume that's what that is you're going Jay yeah there are no J's okay what bro, I drew the antenna back on. You saw where I was going, yeah, antenna's back.

I was thinking magic, right? Yep, that's exactly where I was going to. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, majestic 12 was like where my brain was kind of going, but no. I drew the antenna back on, did you see? No J's! No, yeah man.

Okay. No G. Nope. No V's. Nobody said V. Yeah, I haven't said V. I said P. I am hoping it's a V. I'm gonna say V for Vaughn. V? Mm-hmm. There is. One V! You got it. I'm hoping it's a Vaughn. And this is a guy's name. Yeah, it's gotta be some name. Yeah. And I feel like I should know the name.

If it's Mavic, I'm gonna be pissed off. All right, we're good. Okay, we're good. It's Vaughn. Fuck, so what do we, so what the fuck? So you have one miss left before you're dead. You can't miss again. Yeah.

And I'll tell you this, both of those letters, same letter. So you get, there's if you there's just one more right answer okay we gotta work on this together here the last one have we said are nope it has to be it has to be that's that's where I'm just let me go through the rest guy it has to be it's the only other thing it makes sense in language it has to be. It's the only other thing that makes sense in language. It has to be the R. Final answer R. Could it potentially be Z though? Masik von Zenon?

Question Alex. If he says Z, do we lose? Yep. Z? Go R. No, fuck that. Go R. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I say we go R. I say we go R. Let's just do it. All right. The answer is? Correct. You did not die. Good work. Good work.

Look at that together. Good one. Mathis. Mathis earns the point for that round because Jesse missed four and he only missed three. Barely, barely. You know, that's the exact risk of going first. How about that? So who is this person? So according to the Hill, who published his opinion piece, the Pentagon is lying about UFOs. Quote, Merrick von Rennencamp serves as an analyst with the

State Department's Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation. And he was an Obama administration appointee at the US Department of Defense. First, I'm just going to read a kind of long quote he wrote about the hearing last July with Grush and the two pilots. Okay. In one remarkable exchange, Representative Matt Gates from Florida described how his office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base Florida regarding a January 2023 UFO incident over the Gulf of Mexico. After being stonewalled by the Air Force, he delivered a tense on base reminder to the military about quote, how authorities flow in the United States of America. The Air Force relented, permitting Gates to review sensor data gathered during

the encounter. According to Gates, fighter pilots tracked four unknown objects flying in a clear diamond formation. Notably, the incident occurred on a training range typically conspicuously free of any airborne clutter. Still imagery indicated that one of the objects demonstrated capabilities that Gates, who has served on the House Armed Services Committee for nearly a decade, was quote, not able to attach to any human capability, either from the United States or from any of our adversaries. Radar data, according to Gates, showed that the four objects moved in a very clear formation with equidistant separation. That's a quote. As Gates noted, and further documentation confirmed, the fighter jets radar stopped working as the jet closed within 4000 feet of one of the objects. The jets infrared camera malfunction to requiring the pilots take still images of one of the unknown objects manually. And basically, he writes that in that case, and

we're now we're back talking in my words again, he writes that in the case resolution report from October of last year, well, which was finally released in April, and which you can see here, give you the link to that one. This is the seven page report that was open cleared for publication in April, they conclude that it with quote, moderate confidence that this object was a quote, large commercial lighting balloon.

This is the, that's what we're talking about here. Is this thing that Matt Gaetz was witnessing was a balloon. Yeah, if that seems weird, just after the stuff Matt Gaetz said, also consider this tweet from Mick West, who is a pretty big UFO skeptic right here. You can just, one of you guys can read the tweet that he tweeted.

The Eglin UFO looks like a white sphere wearing a hat. The image on the left is the IR thermal image, adjusted the levels only. It shows quite, it shows a quite irregular hat, which is not really consistent with the lighting balloon hypothesis. Yeah. So I am not a scientist, so I have no fucking idea. I mean, maybe like I don't know if like the point is just that this guy's a fairly diligent skeptic, right? He's like a fairly diligent skeptic who is like publish. Yes, Mick West is. Yeah. Yeah. And he's he's saying that he doesn't feel that it's a lighting

balloon necessarily or this description of it in a declassified summary from one of the pilots who saw it. I'll have Jesse read that right now. I'm still okay. I guess I don't understand the last bit at even the least, but what? What the lighting or something? Yeah. I mean, I don't either. I don't know. Well, I'll show you a picture of what these lighting balloons are. And he's saying because it I have to say, it looks a lot like the picture of the lighting balloon that that we have.

But there's a lot of reasons to believe maybe it isn't. So and I'll get into those now. So one of them is this this description here, which Jesse's going to read. Okay. UAP-1 likened to an Apollo spacecraft in size and shape with an orange reddish illuminated rounded bottom and the top section a three-dimensional cone shape comprising gunmetal gray segmented panels. So that's not at all sounds like that sounds like a Apollo like Lander type thing. Yeah. But that's not at all what this beanie thing looks like. And then probably most damning.

Here's a quote from math is to read just for the record. The photo is just a thing that's the top half is black, the bottom half is white, but it's got a beanie. I don't know that's by that bit. Well, here I'll give you this first then here's the actual here's a picture of this this balloon with some more quality to it. You can look at it and you can kind of see what yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, it looks like it. It has like a beanie situation, but he's saying very much a beanie situation.

But he's saying the one that he's looking at in that small picture that he put in his tweet is like more irregular than the other ones. It's also highly pixelated. That's literally I was going to say, like it might be just because it's so the computer is blowing out the pixels just to like figure out the shape or whatever like that happens in photos. So, you know, it could be either one. But even then, even if that's not like enough to convince you, here is a quote

from Mathis to read from where on Rennincamp actually calls the lighting balloon company that makes these balloons and ask them what they think. According to the firm, it is unheard of that such industrial grade tethered balloons would spontaneously float away. In a brief video, Emmy winning lighting designer, Matt Ford, who has used the lighting balloons in question, detailed the sheer absurdity of the Pentagon's explanation. The Pentagon astoundingly would have the American public

believe that this seemingly impossible event occurred four times simultaneously. Meanwhile, dual sensor malfunctions aboard the fighter jet, one of which occurred only in close proximity to the UFO, remained unexplained. Right. I mean, again, from the horse's mouth at that point, you know? Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I also forgot that it was a formation of four of them, not just the one. Yeah, exactly. There's several balloons balloons vertically separated a thousand feet apart each, which would make it super hard

for them to maintain these sort of like crisp, like equidistant formations they're seen flying in and like that are people are describing. Also, it's 80 mile an hour winds at this time. So it's hard to imagine them moving in these formations, which people were saying they were either not moving at all and staying in perfect formation, which people were saying they were either not moving at all and staying in perfect formation, or they're moving that they were moving like extremely slowly, like in a very, very controlled way. Even Gates said that this assessment is, quote, incomplete and does not

reflect all the data I was shown, and once the images and radar data released to the public. And the worst part is, it's not just the Eglin incident where this kind of treatment occurs. It's every time. So every fucking yeah, so going back to how this ties into the Battelle Memorial Institute, let's talk about that 63 page report that Mathis was yelling about in the mini sold last week, which was a Congress mandated review of US government involvement with UFOs carried out by the Pentagon's UFO

office. This this report was heavily criticized by Christopher Mellon, who used to be one of the highest ranking civilian officials at the Department of Defense. He wrote a 16,000 word piece of the debrief about it. And von Rennencamp read that and highlights one particular issue in this quote, which I'll have Mathis read right now that I think is very interesting. Among the report's many flaws is an egregious falsehood about a rigorous scientific study that the Air Force commissioned in the early 1950s to look into the thousands of UFO ports that it had received. According to the Pentagon's UFO office, this report by the Battelle Memorial Institute found that, quote, all cases that had enough data were resolved and explainable, end quote. That statement is demonstrably demonstrably false.

The study in fact characterized as quote unquote unknown, fully 33% of the UFO cases considered excellent. Okay, so hold on. Let me give you that diagram really quick here. Yeah, it's easier to understand if you can see it. And all these links will be in the show notes. I promise you that. Yeah, we're trying to Hey, how does someone get access to the show notes? If you just go click on the damn thing in your podcast app, they'll be

there. written in the description of the episode. Okay, yeah, this is a this is a crazy looking graph. Like I opened this thing and I felt like I needed to understand like trigonometry. Yeah, it's super weird, but it's it's about the quality of the cases is what the doubtful, the good, the excellent and the poor. There's four categories and it's talking about what percentage of those cases qualifying as excellent or poor or doubtful or good fall into various categories and then the middle part is showing all the categories together. Fully 33% of the UFO cases are considered excellent. To leap off that to an interesting

statistic, when the AARO was launched, the plan and the hope was that U.F.P. sightings or reports would go down as they explained them, but the complete opposite happened. Like the first year they had 130 or so, the second year they had a little over 340, and by year three they were dealing with over 800 reports just for that year. Like the reporting kept going up. Yeah, so to walk you through what this chart is saying really quick, you can see excellent cases

are cases that are multiple observers or trained observers and with sufficient information to come to a conclusion, right? They're saying that- People in the cockpit themselves understand the tools are operating kind of thing. The report from the Pentagon says all cases that had enough data were resolved and explatable, right? Excellent is that category, right?

Yeah, and we know then yes, that is false as he's saying here, but yeah, I'll keep going through the quote here. Let me finish off the quote. It goes, that is those involving trained or multiple observers in the sufficient information to come to a conclusion. And Battelle employed a particularly high threshold for designating a sighting as, quote, unquote, unknown, requiring a group consensus among the evaluating scientists.

The Pentagon's egregious misrepresentation of this analysis is of like kind with its so-called explanation for the Eglin Air Force Base incident. In short, the decades-long nothing to see here approach to UFOs continues unabated. I mean, the ARO was similar. They didn't even have Title 50. He didn't look into the Nimitz case. He didn't look into so many other things.

They looked into a very small handful and then basically clapped his hands and stood up and said, I'm done here. It's just like, it's the same shit. Exactly. But what's craziest is that even as these things are happening all the time and getting downplayed in this way where like this report is literally just saying wrong shit, like just straight up has errors in it that are like completely recharacterized. They're saying every single case was explained and actually Over a third of them were not explained Under a jury of a consensus of evaluating scientists that altogether decided that with enough data to come to a conclusion That that conclusion is that there is no way to tell what the fuck that thing is that they were looking at in the sky

And that's a huge percentage. That's a huge difference. A third to none is a huge difference in perception. So that stuff's happening all the time. But also, as that's happening, we have the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Department of Defense putting out a directive noting anomalous incidents occurring, quote,

in or near the territory of the United States of its allies and of its adversaries. And when they say that, what they literally actually mean is these exact same crazy things we're hearing about that math is constantly yelling at Jesse about doing things that we don't think any human craft know how to do, you know what I mean, and really acting. It's the ones that act really interested in the nukes and all the serious military shit. And if that sounds like nonsense, actually, here is a link to a bunch of different real well-documented examples of that happening that is in an article also written by von

Rennenkamp. So that's there for you guys to peruse. And that's also going to be in the show notes. Like as an example of like, just like it's all buried in paperwork, nobody wants to read the UAPDA it's alone with 64 pages of like shit that nobody wanted to fucking read. But it's also kind of a shit report. It also has a bunch of problems. And regardless, regardless of what we believe

about what these things are. The thing that I was trying to articulate last week in the mini so that this article puts so well is that while the government is technically acknowledging and responding to this shit, you know, like, much more than they have in the past, right? Quote, the American public deserves truth, transparency and far more analytic integrity than the Pentagon is currently demonstrating. That's all it is. It's like saying that it exists or that something is happening.

Isn't enough if the put the stuff that you're putting out is going to be like in bad faith filled with like terrible errors. But it's a weird, it's like this weird situation where like we it's acknowledged that it's happening, but side they refuse to like research or put money into it and like put science to it and take it serious. Just rush it aside or do what they do. Yeah, like don't take it serious.

But like if things are happening, it isn't it science job to go out there and try and disprove until we have the only thing left, which is the truth. Instead of just sitting here and like everybody being like, no, it's fake. No, it's real. We like these things are happening. We're fucking we had a last week tonight episode about it. The Daily Show at Louis Louis Zondo about it. NBC, CNN, like these things are happening. So why aren't we fucking researching it?

Why are we still playing this game of half shame, but half admit it now? And like there's actual like whistleblowers, but nothing's being done. And then it just people just laugh at it more. It's like whether aliens or not, there is something happening in 33% of cases considered excellent is a huge number. I didn't even fucking realize was like crazy and like what that means like already an excellent case. All of them are excellent cases. So that means all of them have enough data. And a third of those,

a group of experts decided were unknown. Real quickly, going to the Hill article that was just linked. This is why I get upset when we cover this topic because it drives me crazy. This is a opinion piece by Ren and Kampf about the shocking history of UFOs and nuclear weapons, which is great. It is a history of that.

However, nothing in this opinion piece is related to modern day, except for, Hey, the government is citing things. So that's happening. But like most of this is the sixties and the seventies and the eighties. The point is that it's been happening for decades and the government is aware of it. No, that's the point I'm trying to make is that this conversation we're having has been happening for decades. And it literally is the same conversation.

We keep having it almost weekly now. And it's so frustrating because nothing is changing. It's just the same conversation over and over again. And it's driving me crazy because I'm like, we could talk about Loch Ness or something, dude. That'd be cool. Like every time we talk about aliens, it's like a dude said something and the government's hiding it.

Yeah, no. Yeah, it's not a dude said something. It's papers from the government that show the research like this is all different. You paper. So when the UAPD comes up before though, you know what I'm saying? Right. Which is why we need to fund like the UAPDA.

We need money in the research. We need money with scientists looking into this instead of just consistently brushing it aside and then just voting it down when it comes up. What this stuff is what these reports are, even though they're very similar to each other, is us trying to document these things in the modern day so that people see them. Like you're saying, like, why don't we see stuff from now

about these nukes? It's like, these are these stories. These are us looking at the government facts and saying- But I mean, that is a, you brought up the question, why don't we see stories now about them going to the nuke sites? Because we have to foyer the documents. And, uh, for example, green street a couple of weeks ago, got a document. He foy it over 10 years ago, two weeks ago.

Yeah. It seems like it's too scary now. It seems like it's too scary for them to share now. That's what they used. Like based on years, like how the doc, yeah, how it's like now classified to have those pieces of information. It seems like if it's, you know, the way that it's happening now is scarier or less for public consumption than it was before. Yeah. You have to FOIA request the shit and then they're also sharing more than ever

before. Yeah, they are sharing, but it's still redacted. They are, but that's exactly what I'm saying is as they're sharing, there's like, there's documents that are coming out that have like a bunch of lies in them that have like, like, and I'm not saying like, like, poor research, I'm saying like, it seems very clear that like something like this is meant to change your perception of what you're reading to draw a different conclusion, which is strange. They've always done that though, right? I, I, maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but they're doing it right now. Right? Well, I, I, maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but they're doing it right now. Right. Well, I mean, this, I'm pointing to a specific time when it's actually happening

right now. Sure, sure, sure. I just, there's a lot of like hype, but this is like getting hype over the same things we've been getting hype over for like decades. I say it's more frustration and like a desire to see like the UAPDA pass, like actual movement in the research front. Yeah, the Battelle Institute episode was about this exact thing. And so for me, this this time, this editorial is just from a couple of months ago. To me, it's interesting because the the the evidence is just right in front of our nose in the report that we are looking at, like that we that we've been asking for. And it's there for everyone to see. And I'm just

pointing at it and going, there it is, just like this guy's. That's it. You know, like, I think, like, if people were listening last weekend, we're interested in, like, a little bit more, like paper trail stuff about it. I think this is going to be satisfying to them. Yeah. And I highly suggest go reading the UAPDA. Again, it's 64 pages, but it's out there to read. And it's just worth reading what they want to do,

where the funding is going to go. And we learned the other day it was Rand Paul, who was the one that was the deciding person to keep the UAPDA out of the funding. And when he was asked about it, he's like, I don't know. I don't know. It just didn't seem like. And then he just kind of like it a bunch of I don't knows. Like I didn't realize it was that important to people or whatever.

So I wouldn't say that sinister Rand Paul's just no, it's just like shit. So like, I truly think it's not a sinister thing. I just think he's like, it's money being spent. It's money being spent. No, no, no. I just think he's he sucks. But yes. Yeah, yeah. But hey, we just learned that's you know, we got at least we got a name as to who said no. I'm with you that I think funding these kinds of things would be amazing and yet is about voting and stuff like

that. However, I'm also not even convinced if the right people got in that we'd get anything new. So that's always the other issue. This is like those people that like don't want to vote though. Like this, this kind of vibe. It's like, yeah, but like the thing to do is to like talk about it when it happens so that it's like in current events. Because that's the best way to get it on the ballot and get it funded and get it talked

about more by. I mean, it's definitely too late to get anything on the ballot at the moment. Well, not for my, not for right now, but I just mean all the time, keeping the conversation going is part of the responsibility of people who care about this. Yeah, I do have a question and I want to put this out there to people who we are clearly being very U S focused. Is there anything from other nations around the world that would give us better information or understanding? Cause clearly if they're going to us, new sites or they're over us airspace, it's global.

There are other countries that are dealing with this and it feels like every conversation we're having is like the U S what's going on in the rest of the world. Send us real things. Not some like my cousin took this photo of an alien. Like, no, no, no. What is really going on overseas? And yeah, I don't think this is a hoax, but I would love to hear how, what you think in another country compares to what we're saying about two years ago in 2022, Canada, uh, their, their UFO investigative branch on the government opened up a little bit more

publicly with some of their, their stuff and whatnot. Uh, So it's like out there. And we know Mexico is heavily like you UFO stuff. But like that was more of like that public wasn't really a congressional. Mexico is more like a town hall almost very much a fun show. General vibe check for the rest of the world as well. Usually when UFO uptick things happen or concern about them, it's usually cause life is stressful. Just look at the track record. It's always been the case. So my question is, is this again, a US thing? And where's all like UFOs or in your country? Do people care?

Do they give a shit? There's actually a government. There's a government answer. They released a global map as to where the most UAP activity took place. And while, yes, on our coast, there's quite a bit, but we're not nearly the most active area. It's actually the coasts of Europe down in South America are like the more hot beds for more UAP sightings.

I would love to know Uruguay, Brazil, what's going on Ecuador? What's the vibe? Brazil UFOs are a lot more violent for some reason. I'm just going to say if I was a UFO. And I had if I was an alien who traveled a thousand light years, I would go to Brazil. I'm not going to lie. I go to Brazil, I'd be like, I hear carnival is in session.

Yeah. All right. Oh, that's out. And that's UFOs. Now it's time to round two heavyweights. Yeah. WWE mysteries. If you're watching video, you can see he's waving around a green paper fan and I don't know what that is.

What is that? Unicorn? I don't know what that is. what It's a dog I think that's supposed to be his tail, but it's like just looks like a dick coming out of his back I just wasn't the dog gotten pale clicker on a pen. Don't worry about it round two heavyweights WWE mysteries The game they're gonna be playing today is you're going to match the signature move. Oh, no to the wrestler Except all of these wrestlers have killed somebody. Whoever gets it right. Whoever gets it right. Move. No, no, no, no. This is just a signature move that belongs to that wrestler. And each of those wrestlers has killed someone. Oh boy. So here we go.

Number one, there's only three of these. OK. And remember, like, the reason that we did WWE mysteries, I love, is because K-Fabe is like really interesting. Yeah. And it's like kind of like makes everything feel like a little hoaxy because you can't really tell when things are real or fake.

So just keep that in mind. But that's not like a clue. I'm just being literally. When he killed that person,'s not like a clue. I'm just being when he killed that person. Poetic about mysteries, you guys. Okay. This move is called The Razor's Edge. Does it belong to Razor Ramon? Does it belong to Malik Blade?

Or does it belong to the executioner? How do we you guys just each guess? And then somebody gets it right and somebody doesn't or maybe they don't and I'll just tell you the answer anyway. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the last one you said. I'll go with the first one. Okay. So so Jesse thinks that Razor's Edge belongs to Razor Ramon and and Mathis believes that Razor's Edge belongs to theor Ramon, and Amathis believes that Razor's Edge belongs to the Executure. Is that right? Yeah. Which I don't think that's true, but we'll see.

That's one point for Jesse because it does indeed belong to Razor Ramon. You just overthought it, man. Yeah. In 1983, years before Scott Hall, who is also known as Razor Ramon, was known as Razor Ramon. He was a bartender at the original dollhouse, which is a like titty bar, but dudes like gentlemen's club type of place. Like, uh, you know, we're also a place where like memoryless assassins get hired. Yeah.

The dollhouse. It has a T H E E. It has like an old Englishy thing going on. I like it. But it's like a chip, Chippendales? Is that what it's called? Chippendales? Yeah.

Yeah, it's kind of like that. And he was a bartender there. And one night he got into it with a customer over a chick. And afterwards the dude found him in the parking lot, busted his car windows and a scuffle ensued. Here's a quote from Razor Ramon about it from ESPN for Mathis to read, here we go. I mean, it's burnt in my brain.

Like I drilled him, he went down and his shirt went up and he was reaching for the firearm, so I reached for it too. We wrestled around with it for a bit. I took a shot, I shot him in the head. And that's what happened. And he got off because it was self-defense. Because the guy pulled a gun on him and he took the gun away and shot the dude in the head and stayed with him his whole life and it fucked

him up. I imagine it would. Yeah. On that note, the next one is the Punjabi Plunge. This move is called the Punjabi Plunge. Does it belong to? I'm going to write that down for me. Does it belong to to Tiger Ali Singh, the Great Kali, or Sanga? Tiger Ali Singh, the Great Kali, or Sanga? Which one of them is famous for the Punjabi plunge? Me at midnight. I have no idea, Sang, that's my guess. Who are they? Can you give me the names again?

Tiger Ali Singh, the Great Khali, and Sanga. Sanga's my guess. Which one of them is? The only one I know is the Great Khali. I have no idea who these other people are. Yeah, me. I don't know any of them. So I'm just gonna say Great Khali.

Great Khali, and you're saying Sanga? Yeah, yeah. The answer is the Great Khali. That's two for Jesse. Right. All these people might asi. That's two for Jesse. Right. All these people might as well just be cartoon characters for me. I don't know any of these people.

They basically are. Senka just sounds like a soft drink. Yeah, it does. It sounds exactly like Senka. In 2001, while training together at the All Pro Wrestling Bootcamp, Khali and another wrestler named Brian Ong were practicing a move called the spine buster. Kali had been practicing the move with various wrestlers all day. But apparently, according to an

article from 2004 by Sue Goldsmith, when it came to be Brian's turn as he was falling, he grabbed Kali shirt, which messed up the way he landed. And instead he quote, hit his tailbone first, and his head whipped back violently against the mat. And soon after he was taken to the hospital where he died. Damn. Ryan's family had no idea he was even enrolled in wrestling camp before he died. And luckily they were able to find APW liable in court and won a lawsuit against them.

But even still, most people consider Collie's part in the tale incidental. And the death is not popularly seen as him as his fault in any way, though technically he was the one to drop the guy and he did it doing a spine buster. Keep the party going. Up next, the next move is the superfly splash. The superfly splash. Does that belong to Haas Funk? Does that belong to Jimmy Snooker or does that belong to Haas funk? Does that belong to Jimmy Snuka?

Or does that belong to Bobby Fish? The super fly splash. What is it called? The super fly splash. Does it belong to Haas funk, Jimmy Snuka or Bobby Fish? Oh, I have no clue. Jimmy Snuka? Snuka?

I'm gonna say the first one. Haas funk? I'll go with Snuka. I'll go with Snuka. I don't think that's a real person, but I like the name. Haas Funk? They're all real people. Haas Funk, Jimmy Snuka, and Bobby Fish. You say Haas Funk, Jesse. Mathis, you say Jimmy Snuka? Yeah. It was. Jimmy Snuka! Mathis gets a point. I got a point! Jimmy Snuka had been wrestling one night in Allentown, Pennsylvania, again in 1983. And a few hours later, at the George Washington Motor Lodge, he called an ambulance for his mistress Nancy Argentino, who had already been arrested for beating months before, while also fighting off several deputies who had been called on him in the process. Nancy died from quote, undetermined cranial cerebral injuries consistent with a

moving head striking a stationary object after she'd been moved to the hospital. And while the coroner immediately suspected foul play and the pathologist who conducted the autopsy could suggested the crime be investigated as a homicide. snooker never had any charges pressed against him. And Nancy's parents were only awarded a half million dollar default judgment in the courts, Snuka never even paid and the case was left open. Snuka was finally brought before a judge 32 years later in 2015

but the trial went on for two years while Snuka was diagnosed with stomach cancer and was deemed not fit to stand trial for mental deterioration as well due to wrestling injuries and the charges were dismissed in January 2017, and he died like not even two weeks later. Jesus, damn. Pretty crazy. It was a dark world, the WWE. But let's leave it behind and move on to level three.

Oh, refresh, refresh. All right, feeling better. OK, so round three is Horse, which was, if you remember, about the Denver airport and today as big blue penis. That's right. Big blue penis. Oh, and first let me give the points.

Jesse won twice math is only one one. So Jesse gets a point bringing the full episode total into a tie and we're on to the next three by five card. Ladies and gentlemen. All right, Denver airport. This this game is called Denver airport or the Walt Disney World Resort. Okay, all right, gets a point. The official Denver Airport opened in 1995. So to make things more interesting, we're also counting

the Stapleton Airport, which service Denver to and was not a small airport either was the six busiest airport in the country by the 1960s. If you remember, I did a very long winded intro to the Denver Airport episode that I do the Stapleton Airport. So you probably remember it from then. But this game is all about guessing whether the fact that I tell you is true of the Denver Airport, or the Walt Disney World Resort. All right. Okay, so similar to the previous game. But it's just a little

choices. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Number one contains a human sized tunnel system that expands over nine anchor acres and allows nonpublic traffic of all kinds to navigate using color coded lines on the walls. I'm going to say Disney. That's what I was going to say. So I'll go the other way. I'll go right. Airport. But I think it's Disney. OK. Why are you going airport if you think it's Disney? Keep the game interesting.

Keep the game interesting. Okay, I love that. That's chaos. That's sheer chaos. The answer is Disney. So that's a point for Jesse. Morally, I took a point there as well. You know what?

I like that. But I'm going to say this. The tunnels are called the utilidor system and they extend all throughout the Magic Kingdom and Epcot and they're built in such a way that they're not actually underground, but the theme park is actually on a single platform. The tunnels are called the utilidor system and they extend all throughout the Magic Kingdom and Epcot and they're built in such a way that they're not actually underground, but the theme park is actually on a second floor. So even the underground part is above the ground because the swamp is like shit in Florida. Yeah, Florida sucks to build.

So they built the first floor above ground and it's like a basement tunnel system. And then the second floor up, which is like kind of at ground level is the park is the like street of Disneyland, which is pretty crazy. Fascinating. Yeah. Denver airport also has tunnels underneath it, but they are from a failed automatic baggage system that was allegedly abandoned in 2008. Though some people think that's just a cover for an intricate set of tunnels for the new

world order operatives to travel from the airport miles deep into the surrounding mountains, even without lots of evidence. Is this where like national treasure is gonna take place, the new one? What are they gonna steal out of it? It's actually like not a bad place to set it, to be honest.

It's like the Denver airport is like a perfect setting. Oh, his frozen head is in there. That's what they gotta go steal. Walt Disney's frozen head. Yes. Yes. That's a good movie. His memory like holds the secrets to like the like, what's the Bohemian Grove where they like decided how to take over the world? Did we just write the movie? And they slap his head on one of those wild wild west look at the past kind of things. But all you see is an evil Mickey Mouse.

It's great because Disney owns national treasure. So that could definitely happen. And do they own Wild Wild West now too? Because that'd be great. They might, they might own, they own everything. All right. Number two, Richard Nixon gave his famous, I'm not a crook speech here. Is that the Denver airport? Is that Denver airport or is that Walt Disney World resort? Look, as much as I want it to be Disney World I know say Airport at Airport. I can't even for fun. Go the other side on this one. You're both wrong

It's the Walt Disney World Resort It is at Disney World Here's the full quote which was given at the Contemporary Resort Hotel at Walt Disney World Which is actually an extremely neat looking building at the Disney World Resort which you can look at online. It's still there He gave the speech at the Disney World Resort, which you can look at online. It's still there. He gave the speech at Walt Disney World in 1973. And I'm going to give you the full quote from Mathis to read here, just in case you've never heard it. By the way, this guy resigned at the very thought of being impeached once. Go figure. Here you go. I have earned every cent. And in all of my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I think too that I could say that in my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I think too that I could say that in my years of public life that I welcome this kind of examination

because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook. I have earned everything I have got. He resigned about one year after that. Okay, so you guys both got that one wrong. So Jesse's still in the lead with one. Next one is number three. While in the process of building it, the local mayor brokered a deal with citizens to annex over 50 square miles of land to build on.

Denver Airport or the Walt Disney World Resort? Going back to Denver, baby. I'll go to Disney World. Disney World, Denver. I truly don't know, because I feel like it could be any, but. Right, that's the whole, that's the game, baby. The answer is the Denver Airport.

Jesse gets another point. In 1983, Mayor Pena campaigned on a plan to expand Stapleton International Airport, Denver's tiny, noisy, congested airport in the northeast corner of the city, across I-70 to the north on the Rocky Mountain Arsenal. The plan won the support of most municipalities in the metro area with some glaring exceptions. leaders in Adams County hated

the idea of an even larger airport raining noise on their constituents. They vowed that they were going to sue us forever. Pena recalled Pena eventually met some of those leaders for dinner and heard their concerns. They began crafting an ambitious plan. Denver would seek to annex land in Adams County to build a new airport away from established neighborhoods. And in return, that county's elected leaders would campaign hard for the plan in their communities. Ultimately, only Adams County

voters could greenlight the annexation. So what do you think birth of the Illuminati stronghold? Or Yes, yeah, or just the beginning of building an airport or yes, yeah, or just the beginning of building an airport. By the way, that was a quote from the Denver Post from the Denver Airport, Denver International Airport at 25 from boondoggle to boon. Great name for that article. But that's number four. Jesse's in the lead two points to Nal number four, John Lennon legally broke up the Beatles

here, Walt Disney World Resort or the Denver Airport. John Lennon legally signed the documents that broke up the Beatles. Bro, at all. I desperately want it to be Disney. So I'm gonna say Disney. I'm gonna, I wanted to go airport because I don't know if I could see John Lennon at Disney. Okay.

Enjoying it. He's such a, yeah, he probably did. He probably did. I'm going to airport. Okay. You're like, you're going, you're going to airport. You're going to Disney. Hell yeah.

It was Disney. All right. Everything happens at Disney. Yeah. Uh, here's a quote about it, uh, for Jesse to read. Pretty interesting. John Julian and I, wait, John Julian and I, wait, is this Yoko who's saying this? No, this is Mei Peng saying this. Oh, all right. John Julian and I, Mei Peng,

left New York the following day to spend Christmas in Florida. On December 29th, 1974, the voluminous documents were brought down to John in Florida by one of Apple's lawyers. He finally picked up his pen and, and the unlikely backdrop of the Polynesian Village Hotel at Disney World. I stayed there when I was 13. I did too.

I did when I was like nine or 10, yeah. Yeah. You guys met at that hotel. And at that rock band in history by simply scrolling John Lennon at the bottom of the page. Yeah. And may pang was John Lennon and Yoko Ono's like assistant for a very long time. And she worked at Apple, which is not Apple computers, but Apple the Beatles recording company. So yeah, Jesse's in lead with three. Um,

we're onto number five. The bathrooms here have a fan club and social media, um, associates them with a specific smell, Denver airport or the Walt Disney world resort. Oh, 100% saying Denver. I want to go airport too. Yeah. The answer is the Denver airport math on the board. At least Jesse has four points. Apparently this scent is called black bamboo and it's a mix of green bay leaf,

balsam juniper, berry, warm musk and Amber woods. How do you say balsam? Balsam balsam balsam. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but here's a quote about it for math is to read from a Redditor about this cherished smell. Got it. One Redditor's counter. I know that sounds weird, but it's one of those scents that sticks with you. Not the typical bathroom air freshener smell,

maybe because it's always the smell of home after a long day of traveling. I don't know if I ever want to associate the Denver Airport bathroom smell with being with home. I like the Denver Airport. It's nice. I don't know. It's nice. Also, speaking of secret societies hiding in plain sight, I'm sure I've talked about them a little bit on the show before, like 322 episodes ago or something.

But I'd really love it if Jesse did an episode on the order of skull and bones. My pitch is we're going to each read a quote about them and then you're going to tell me if it's worth doing. So first for Jesse, a quote from noted rich politically minded person, Lanny Davis, who wrote this in his 1968 Yale yearbook talking about the membership qualifications of skull and bones. In it. They gotta let me in.

Let this convince you. Will they send someone to kill me, dude? I don't want that. Qualifications of skull and bones in it like they gotta let me in let this otherwise convince Will they send someone to kill me dude? I don't want that let this tantalize you with its insanity If the society had a good year This is what the ideal group will consist of a football captain a chairman of the Yale Daily News a conspicuous radical a whiffin poof whiffin poof what the fuck is a whiffin dudeof. A whiffin poof? What the fuck is a whiffin poof? Dude, you don't even want to know. A swimming captain, a notorious drunk with a 94 average.

A filmmaker, a political columnist, a religious group leader, a chairman of the Lit. Yo. A foreigner, a ladies man with two motorcycles, an ex serviceman, a Negro, if there are enough to go around. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A guy nobody else in the group ever heard of ever. That'd be me. Yeah. So that's what and a whiffin poof, by the way, is the storied oldest acapella group ever. It's Yale's acapella group and that's where Skull and Bones is. Here's a quote from Mathis

about the Skull and Bones. This is like a most random eclectic group of people. They're like, get into every aspect of society. Somebody who's influential in every area. Okay, here's Mathis's quote from Tom Wolfe, the novelist. At Yale, the students on the outside wondered for 80 years what went on inside the fabled secret senior societies such as the Skull and Bones. On Thursday nights, one would see the secret society members walking silently in single file in black flannel suits, white shirts and black knit ties with gold pins on them toward their great Greek revival temples on the campus, buildings whose mystery was doubled by the fact that they had no windows. Yep, and then finally, I'm gonna read a quote

from President George W. Bush's autobiography. You wanna fascinate the general public? Just have a uniform, go somewhere they all know you go, but never ever talk about what you do, and that's it. Even if you're just doing a LAN party every week, they'll think you're working on mystical shit Let's do that. Here's George Bush's quote in my senior year at joint skull and bones secret society. So secret. I can't say anything more Yeah, so that's the skull and bones that's my pitch you don't have to say yes, but that's my pitch and Jesse since you

Won that one you're pulling ahead in the total. It's two to one, Jesse's in the lead. And we're on to number four, which was Head, which is all about dreams. Right. We need a pat on this one. So the game today that we're gonna be playing, oh yeah. Yeah, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, incredible little dog, the fans pop in. All right, dreams. The game we're playing today is a version of Family Feud kind of where we're going to guess the most we're going to the list that you guys are going to be playing off of is

the most dreamed topics in America. Like the top 10 most dreamed, like the most Googled dreams in America. And you're gonna get the number of points that they are in rank. So there's gonna be 10. So the number one item is gonna be worth 10 points. Does that make sense?

Is this like family few? Yeah, someone you got to pick who goes first for this. That could change it all. Yeah, so you get score based on your rank, on the ranking of the item, three misses and you're out and you switch every time you miss. Jesse, your letter comes first in the alphabet.

Cool. So, damn it. So you have to guess first and if you miss, it's Mathis' turn. All right, so we're just guessing dream type. Yes. That people Google the most. Yeah, like a topic, like a Google. I'll like judge it and give it to you the same way. Family Feud would. I'm going to say teeth and or teeth falling out. Teeth falling out is the number one answer for 10. Wow. I figured that'd be on the list, but number one would not have been my guess. For Americans, absolutely. That's the number one. Number one.

I don't know why specifically America, but it's a big one for us. Yeah, big one. And not the number one in the world, but close. Number two on the list is number one in the world. That's a little- Interesting. But that doesn't matter. Just giving you a little thing. Uh Jesse you didn't miss so what's your next guess? I'm gonna say falling. Falling. Falling is not on the list so that's one miss for Jesse. Yeah falling's not on

the list in America. Um pretty good guess though I would say. Not a Steve Harvey meltdown worthy guess. Mathis, what do you think? I was gonna go flying. Flying, flying. So I have a problem with flying, and I'm gonna let you guys judge this together. You guys have to come to a decision because you're gonna be judge this together. You guys have to come to a decision because you're going to be the judges to that together.

Okay. Number eight on the list is flies. Do you think flies means bugs? Or do you think flies means the person flies? I would say flying is flying. Flies sounds like bugs. That's what I was going to say, even to my own detriment. Like, if I'm going to Google flying dream,

I'm not going to go flies and that's it. Okay. So number eight is flies. Yeah. So I'm going to give you a miss, but I'm also going to give you the points. I'll take it, but it goes to Jesse. It's three points.

I bet it's to Jesse. It's three points. How about it to Jesse? This is... Can I do the general idea of being late? Late for class, late for work? Lateness? Yeah. Lateness is not on the list. Second miss. Wow, surprising.

I still have like, nightmare server dreams. And I've been detached from that job for like 15 years. That's one of the few nightmares I have is being late to something. Yeah. I missed my thing is like my biggest dream. Yeah. Okay.

All right, Matt, this hits back to you. What about like talking to a dead relative or like ghosts? Just kind of like, okay, a dead relative. Yeah, like death or yeah, I don't know. I don't know how general we want to get, but okay. A dead relative. Yeah, I'm going to say because I don't want to give up another one of the answers that it's not on the list.

Okay, that relative is not on the list though. I'll tell you when what I what I'm talking about at the end of this Yeah, okay, so that's a that's a that's a aunt but I'm it's back to Jesse back to me. Yeah How many is Jesse have wrong one or two Jesse has two wrong. Yeah, okay. So if it's, if he gets it wrong, you can go till you're wrong. Yeah. If I get it right at all. Got it. You already said flies. So I'm not going to say creepy bugs running from someone or being chased by someone. Okay. Yeah. Being chased is number five on the list. That's five points to Jesse.

What the hell is the biggest one? The... That's what two's driving me crazy. I have no idea what that's going to be. You got to remember that it's global. Yeah, that doesn't... It doesn't really help. It rules out a lot of things. Okay. If you think about it.

It rules out a lot of things. For it to be global. Okay. Does it have to... Question, does it have to be... Are these nightmares or just general dreams? Just dreams in general could it be um Finding success or wealth it could be but it's not that's an arm

Jesse's final score is 15 math this you currently have three I was gonna say I had dreams where I've won the lottery before and then I'm gonna say I'm really bummed Yeah, I'm bummed out. I don't know what to is. I can't figure it out I guess I'm just gonna go off the deep end about like fucking sex dreams sex Yeah, sex is on the list. Oh, it is the number nine answer which gets lower than I thought it would be it's you two points All right, let's go away away. You still have ten points left to make 15 fuck What about because like like, you see, it seemed like I was in the right area with like ghosts.

So not just like, dreaming of dying. It's good. Dying. Being killed, murdered. This is your last one. Do you want to commit to dying? I guess not, I guess. No, but I don't know.

It's up to you. What the fuck else, like, who would I possibly go? Dude, I have no answers for you. Like, that's where I'm like but I don't know. It's up to you. Where the fuck else, like, who would I possibly go? Dude, I have no answers for you. That's where I'm like, I don't know. Getting it, like, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, let's just stick with death. Death, being killed, murder, you know, that kind of shit. Death was straight up an eh.

Okay, yeah. So that's five to 15. Jesse takes the point. I'm so curious what the list is. But now, let's hear about this. Yeah, so number 10 is bears. Okay. I only have ever had anything about a bear. Bears. It's it's it's yeah. 10 is bears. Nine is sex. Eight is

flies. Seven is your wedding. Okay. Six is being chased. Yep. Five is vacation. Really? Four is spiders. We live a kind of privileged life in that regard, I guess. Yeah, four is spiders. Spiders.

Spiders. Ah. Three. I should have said bugs. Three is the one that I was gonna maybe give you for dead relatives. Three is exes. one that I was gonna maybe give you for dead relatives. Three is exes. Bro, I was gonna say exes, but I was like sex dream.

I don't know. I don't wanna do like, maybe it's like kind of the same topic. Exes. Number two, the number one in the world, because we already know number one is in America is your teeth falling out. Yeah.

Number two in America. Number one in the world, snakes. Man, a lot of animals. Snakes, yeah. The ultimate. I've never dreamed of snakes. The ultimate monkey fear. But that's fair, it's worldwide.

The ultimate monkey fear, snakes. So. America's just really afraid of nature. Yeah, to give you a little update on current events involving dreams and the things we covered, the This Man hoax that we were talking about last that inspired that movie with Nicolas Cage dream scenario. If you remember was like a hoax made by this like Italian artist marketing

person. And here is a movie, a J drama J horror movie that is called This Man, that is like basically Freddy Krueger, except the guy is like a Japanese guy who is in like prosthetics to look like the guy from This Man, the viral campaign. Oh man. Just go ahead and check out this review

and I'll also give you the trailer for this Which is actually hard for me to find because it wasn't in English But you guys check it out and give the audience a play-by-play for a second. Oh god. Oh god, you can see his face I hate that he looks there's there's like a scary picture of his face if you go in the if you go in the like It's like a scary picture of his face. If you go in the, uh, if you go in the like

gallery, yeah, the gallery, you can't really see, you can't really see the, uh, stuff, but if you scroll a little bit further down, doesn't have a believable villain. That's awful. I hate that. I hate that I was going through the gallery and it was like, Oh, this seems like a well shot movie. And then we get to this man is the goofiest thing I've ever seen. Yeah. So it has apparently like, has a really, really like, indelicate message about mental health that like doesn't really like hit and is kind of like insulting to people with mental illness. And this review says that the villain looks too funny.

The movie revolves around mental illness, but makes no nuanced or honest commentary. And it has no sense of tone. So nobody feels afraid while they're watching the movie. Gave it four out of 10. Pretty crazy. Sure. This is a J-Hour movie called This Man.

And the trailer is here if you wanna. Yeah, I just looked, I scrubbed through the trailer a little bit. It's wild. Up to you, but good Lord. And it out there and he's going to get you. That's round four. Round five. Ready?

It's time to return to the last place I just was with the Zodiac Killer number five. Hello, the Zodiac. Yay. Okay, so for this one, what I need you guys to do is to put your hands in frame of the camera so that I can see your hands. OK? OK.

Hands up. Ladies and gentlemen, I can see their hands. You guys. And so can you if you're at patreon.com. Your goal for this round is to use Google or whatever other methods you want to be the first one who can tell me the name of the two filmmakers who are about to put largely just a largely disproven but extremely popular suspect Arthur Lee Allen back in the

spotlight of the zodiac case. Do you have any questions before we begin? Keep your hands on you want us to do the actors? Yeah, I want you to find the directors filmmakers who are about to put out who are about to put out, who are about to put Arthur Lee Allen back into the spotlight. Okay? Okay. Yep. Okay. Any, any, any other questions before we start? No. Three, two, one, go. First person to do it. Just yell it out. I'm so confused. Okay. Just got to figure it out. I figure out why he's going to be in the spotlight.

What's happening in the Zodiac case and then find out the names of these two assholes. They're not assholes. I'm just so tired of Arthur Lee Allen. It's new. Like it's not out yet. I'm not going to say it's up to you to figure it out. Arthur Lee Allen is coming back in the spotlight. Use that Google. You could see these guys are really, really dedicated to this right now. Jesse may be hampered by hotel internet. We don't know. I'm not hampered, but in the UK, they make you check every website you go to. They do a thing that's like, hey, do you want cookies here? So it's really screwing everything up. The EU literally not even the EU, just like UK Brexit laws in the way.

Yeah, I'm struggling over here. We're looking for the two filmmakers, people involved. Oh, come on. Arie Mark, Phil Lott. That's it. Arie Mark is this in relation to starting in October, the show. This is the zodiac speaking. That's right. Exactly it Yeah, well, yeah, I want to go I went to go look at it. It sent me to Netflix instead of I was I know that's why the reason I came up with this game was because I was trying to figure out who was The director and I couldn't do it easily and then I it took me like five minutes to figure it out. Anyway, Mathis, you get the point for that one. This new documentary comes out October

23rd and it's about Arthur Lee Allen mostly it seems like. So we'll see if there's any new information that comes to light that blows my mind and up upends my plans that I have for everything until the end of the year. But in the meantime, don't you think it's worth asking if anyone ever considered that the idea of the Zod But in the meantime, don't you think it's worth asking if anyone ever considered that the idea of the Zodiac Killer might just be a giant hoax? What? Yeah, that's right. There is currently from last year, a documentary on peacock that is relatively new called Myth of the Zodiac Killer. Is the Zodiac Killer a hoax is the question that it asks. And what I mean by that is, what if all these murders are actually just all their own murders with all their own suspects?

And what if it's just a handful of unrelated crimes that took advantage of this larger-than-life villain in the cultural zeitgeist, and the rest is just hoaxes? Is the theory, according to Professor Thomas Horan, an English professor who every zodiac expert hates, and whom documentary filmmaker Andrew Nock brings to the center of this two-part series without even ever fully really committing to his kind of like wacky, honestly wacky story. So I'm going to, I watched this this morning. First thing that I did this morning when I woke up with my coffee is I sat down and cover to cover housed two hours of this weird myth of zodiac so

that you don't have to. And I'm going to give you the rundown and I'm going to quickly retort it. Okay. So first, we're going to start with Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday, the first two people that were attacked. He says they were attacked by two people because a single shell on the other side of the killer's car implies that a second person got out of the passenger door, up turned around put his hand over the top of the car and fired his gun so that the shell flew backwards and landed on the other side of the car, which proves that this killer wasn't alone serial killer, which proves that he wasn't the Zodiac

killer. He says that it was a retaliatory murder for a guy that David Faraday stood up to at the pancake house earlier that week for selling drugs at the height of a biker related drug violence wave. This guy argues that the cops did not properly investigate the gangs because they didn't understand what they were. And then it was very clear to him, at least that this guy went down because of the gangs. No real evidence to support this just some guy heard about some crimes and he put two and two together. But David Faraday did confront someone. Though, even in this other Zodiac experts are like, at the time, it would not be crazy to confront

someone about selling drugs, because the status quo and the vibe of like everything being chill was very important to people back then. And pointing out things in society that are weird and lecturing people and stuff like that, like boomers do today, originated in the 60s when they were young, and they were doing it in high school. So that's so that's not that crazy of a thing wouldn't be something that a stranger would hunt you down and kill you over. So that's so that's kind of weird. Then we go on to Darlene Farren and Mike Mougeau,

which is the murder that's depicted at the beginning of the movie Zodiac, where Darlene is killed and Mike lives, and he's sitting on the ground gurgling out of his throat and stuff. It's the first one that most experts assume for sure was a Zodiac killing. This is the one where the three teens find him. Zodiac calls it himself on the payphone. He says, goodbye. You remember that one?

The guy says it was a personal crime from someone who knew and was mad at Darlene and that Mike wasn't interested in romance according to some of Darlene's friends and Darlene's current husband at that time Dean Farron that he interviewed and that it was maybe Darlene's ex-husband Jim Crabtree who she was with before Dean Farron and who didn't love the way things ended, even though there was no evidence he was in town. They did go interview him. He corroborated with a story about being seen while on acid in the woods by a judge, but there's no record of that apparently, though there is something in the police report that does put him there

in the woods. That's not that. The dude acted really weird and is like a total hippie weirdo guy who lives in the woods. But there wasn't like any evidence or anything to believe he was involved, but he said some like weird incendiary shit, kind of like how Arthur Lee Allen used to do where he's like imply things that like kind of implicated him in the murder too. Yeah. So yeah, that was a huge problem. So it was like almost like they knew he was going to do that and act crazy and they like went and interviewed him and it felt really weird. Um, so that was that one. As far as like

Berryessa, they talked to one of the witnesses for the first time on camera, one of the girls who saw zodiac in the park that day, to build a case that the guy at the lake looks different from the famous sketch from San Francisco, because there's two sketches, and they don't look that similar. But the still living cop that they got who worked on the case, like they were trying to get him to say that the things don't match and that it's two guys. But the guy was like, I still think it's one killer, but I think it looks like my guy.

So it's not even the evidence that they thought it was that they were acting like it was. He didn't say there were two separate killers. He said it was one killer, but it just looks like his guy. And Horan says it was a copycat crime with details inconsistent to the other ones. But as we tracked through his like sort of growth as a folk hero kind of guy who was trying to impress everybody, he wasn't committing to a modus operandi like a serial killer. He was trying to do better PR each killing. Horan tries to shed suspicion on police officer Dennis Land for this one. Um, but any other expert in the show is like, don't trust Haran.

He's a liar. He makes shit up all the time. So it's like hard to trust them. It's like weird. It feels like they figured out this guy was like a crank like halfway through, but they didn't want to like eat the budget. So they just like kind of put in shit, discrediting him as they went and just let him talk and like edited it together.

It's a super weird documentary that you should not watch. They also used AI to analyze the letters to see if there's multiple authors. But even the experts running the AI tests said it's not a reliable test and to even get the results close to how they wanted to edit the text of letters. And they said the model detected a subtle change after the first four letters before the Paul Stein murder and the 28 after, which some people do think that only the first couple zodiac letters are real. That's a real thing. So I don't know. Maybe that's that. They also point out

that the Paul Stein murder had inconsistent methods, a much further location from the others. But like we saw, this was him going to Hollywood and going to the big leagues and trying to murder somebody in a rich neighborhood in San Francisco. So it makes sense why he did that. It's hard to ignore the zodiac letter with the bloody piece of shirt though, which is just, just kills this guy's theory. And so what he says happened instead, is that the killer did take a piece of the shirt, the zodiac killer, the whoever wrote the letter did, but that the letters are, I'm sorry, the person who killed the cabbie took the section of shirt, but that whoever wrote the letters is somebody different who went to the crime lab and took

more of the shirt just to write the letters. Cops are like, there is no way that happened. There is no evidence that anything ever happened. But Horan is like, well, there's corrupt cops and evidence tampering in the newspaper from the time. So you tell me, you tell me, but I'm like, bro, I spent two months on this case, just reading shit. And there's that's like the dumbest shit I've ever heard. It's always good to let facts change, even well established premises. And, and, and new evidence. Yeah, of course. Yeah, as you're building a case, but confirmation bias is still confirmation bias. And sometimes

you just have to read the what writing on the wall, you have to give up, you have to let it be different. And that's the game show. But before we get into the winning ceremony, I have an actual, real, not a bit greenstone update. Because that's where I was gonna end today. But I also want to give you guys a quick update. Because at 530 this morning, today, the day that we were recording this, I already wrote the joke that I made about the redstone at the top of this before I knew about this. I added this this morning,

total coincidence, but Graham Phillips, the guy who did the greenstone, a favorite beloved character on this pod, had an 18 minute live live stream today this morning that I watched on YouTube, because he had an update about Biddle Grange, which you'll remember from the episodes I did on the green stone. It's like that weird like quasi Egyptian mystical garden place in England in Staffordshire, like Staffordshire Pete's, whatever it's called, I forget what it's called. Anyway, he's a sweet, older guy these days, Graham Phillips. And after

taking extra special care to make sure he wasn't muted, he proceeded to name drop literally every book in a row that I've ever cited in relation to his story, the Green Stone, the seventh sword, even a book I feel like sometimes he downplays the existence of aka the eye of fire. So at this point, I'm one minute in, I'm alert. And if you must know, yes, I was smoking weed and I was drinking coffee, but that is normal for me. And I can be confident I was in my absolute right mind as I watched this. Anyway-

God, I hope you're about to tell me he was like, and I'd like to cite Alex Fossiani as- I fucking wish. Bit of Grange, I still don't think he knows about us and I'd like to keep it that way if you don't mind listeners. Anyway, Bit of Grange is that weird quasi-Egyptian mystical garden that I said. It's a setting in a lot of the stories. We return to it from time to time in the Greenstone saga. I know it's at least a real place because there's lots of pictures of it. It has a presence online. Here is its Apple Maps link if you want to see it. But according to Graham, you can look at pictures of it there and stuff. But according to Graham, it also has some mystical significance

and is deeply entwined with events relating to the fate of all existence across multiple planes in worlds. Listen to the episodes if you need to know more about that. But according to Graham, originally, it was a megalithic stone circle complex kind of thing like a Stonehenge kind of place. And he seems to know a lot about that kind of stuff. He talks a lot about stonehenge, a lot of other stone circles. He explains that the hinges have to do with the ditches that are like dug

around the complexes. And that's what the hinges are. I think if I understood correctly, what he said, someone correct me if I'm wrong, who brought the stones over. Probably. You're probably right. Uh, someone correct me if I'm wrong. He also talks about how stone circles commonly have artificial manmade hills nearby a lot of the time, like commonly just like for some reason, maybe to be able to see people from far off or to put fire on top of to like put a beacon and be like, this is where the rocks are at or whatever. But nobody really knows why. And anyway, according to Graham, more possible activity relating to Biddlegrange being one

of these sites seems to have happened recently, like on Saturday. And he mentions that in the surrounding area, there's already lots of burial chambers and smaller stone circle sites and things in that sort of zone. And in the 70s, at Biddlegrange, there was an artificial mound on the grounds that dated back to Stonehenge times, which is like 2500 BC. And that certain artifacts were recovered suggesting something similar to that was likely in the area too, possibly where Bitilfgrange is today. But then after those people were here, the Celts came into the area, took it over around 1000 BC, had a burial mound and a sacred spring well

there with a straight line through this like artificial cave. There's like a megalithic thing. There's a straight line between it and another stone circle and burial chamber. And you can like see the sun straight through it, kind of that kind of deal. Because it's like, you know, built kind of like how Stonehenge was built like in harmony with the planets. And then Christian churches came and according to Graham in 1119 AD, what do they call it now? AC? After Earth? Titan A.E. That was a great movie. Titan Titan, a 1119 Titan, a E when the Knights Templar made their first base outside the Middle East. Apparently that base was at Biddle Grange and the chapel they built there was right next to the artificial cave that I was talking about. And it's perfectly aligned with the sun as it sets. And that's the perfect time it shines straight through. And it eventually became the

Springwood Priory and remained there until the 19th century when a wall or two of it, you know, as it was collapsing, was built into a barn that's still there, that where they store equipment and at the middle of Grange. And around this time, the mansions and the grounds that are there now are also built. And according to Graham, these are built by the Order of Mi'anaya, who we talked about extensively in the Greenstone, the like little group that they're a part of. But according to Graham now, in a kind of big change from how he described them in the book, they are now an all women group of artists and mystics fighting

for women's rights all across England. So that must be in the DLC. And there's lots of weird occult symbolism and underground temples in this thing in Roman, Chinese, Celtic, and Egyptian temples. Like there's different temples with different cultures, mysticism inside them. The Celtic Glen, for example, was built in place of that artificial mound that was found there earlier in the 70s. And the others were similarly built in magically powerful spots. Which brings us to Saturday, while Graham was taking some people around the grounds and showing them these things, despite a possibility of rain

mentioned earlier in the day, like a sprinkle, the weather was like, really good. And he had like 50 people with him doing this tour, because I guess he does these tours. And which I would love to do, by the way, they were loving his stories, the vibes were good, and so to cap off the tour on the spur of the moment decision, he decided to go straight up that line, straight up to the cave aligned with the sun, and halfway up he starts hearing thunderstorm clouds happening, and then at the top when he gets to the cave there's like a freak storm roaring, and the lightning was like weird and yellow and it scared the shit out of him, and the weatherman on the tv had no idea what was going to happen, and it bugged him out that it was centered around them at

Biddle's Grange. And by the time they got back to his car, it was raining cats and dogs like he never could have imagined. It was crazy. And he thinks it was an ancient storm summoning right that he performed by accident. He's not sure. I know he's not sure it was Celtic or Chinese or Egyptian or Roman, but he hopes maybe somebody out there would know. And he just wanted to let everyone know that it happened and that it was cool and that he filmed it. But that video, that video might be coming out later. So there's no footage to show now. But he's got to put it together with some other people's footage first. So he'll get that to us as soon as possible. He hopes something interesting was captured that maybe wasn't seeable by the naked eye.

And that is glad he's still able to pull off rituals though. Good for him. That is the update. So anyway, that's amazing. Anyway, thank you. I'm glad you guys join me for that one. I'm glad you guys stuck with me through the Greenstone update. But just a reminder, the last three episodes in the sequence, eight H,

just the code words, I'm not going to give you the topics. You can figure those out for yourself. Number six is huge. Number seven is him again. And number eight is hero. That's going to be a big one. That's going to be a big one. Also, we, Jesse, for your

performance in game show eight H, you get the grand prize of my top secret family recipe for jambalaya. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because genuinely more than anything, I really just love tossing a bunch of shit together and making something delicious. So it's true for me to you. Congratulations. You can tell everybody I don't say the recipe, but you can confirm that you have received the recipe question. Yeah. Mathis.

Because you were so about revealing secret truths. Yeah. Should I publish this on Reddit? Don't do that. Don't publish my family jambalaya recipe. That's your pride. No, like a real secret society. You put it behind a paywall. Oh, no, I don't want to make that promise because then that's selling out. I want to do it like I'm disclosing secret information. I'm going to create a fake Reddit account and be like, I discovered secret jambalaya. I'll put a UFO image. You have to make them work for it. If you do it, you have to, as per my wishes, you have to do that using like a puzzle treasure hunt. But that's really it. That's really

my uncle's secret family jambalaya recipe. Enjoy it. It's better than your family's jambalaya recipe. Where did you send this to? I just texted you. Also, I promise. I promised a clue. If you won. He really did. He really did. Yeah, that's right. He's a make it for me, but I'll never know how.

Yeah, exactly. I promise you a clue if you won. And the clue is that if you were paying attention, this whole episode is a clue. So that's your clue. If you were paying attention, this whole episode is a clue. Oh, God. Don't forget. Chodiak revealed aka the payoff you always wanted that never was available right now in this week's mini-sode at patreon.com slash to the muddy pod Which we're gonna record right after this Mathis I'm seeding my time the rest of my time. Thank you all so much for listening We are off to do that mini-sode as he so said we'll be back next week with a brand new episode

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