Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 29 - The Mothman Part 2 - Gotta Love Idaho

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

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As always, I am your host, Mike Martin, and joined by my two co-hosts, Jesse Cox. Hi, Jesse. Hello. And Mr. Alex Facione. I'll DM. The one man who apparently influenced the entire wardrobe of Stranger Things season three. Hopper, you're welcome, bitch.

David Harbert, call me up. He's super active on Twitter. I guarantee at some point, if you tweeted him regularly enough, you'd hear back. I'll bet you money that you can't come have Chipotle with me, bitch. I don't know if you keep calling him that. I don't know that he will.

It's got to be hashtag, bitch. It's a friendly here. David, in Los Angeles, we call our closest friends, bitch. And then we said, you've never called me, bitch. Right. That worries me. Oh, no. Does that mean I'm not a close friend?

You don't even notice. I call you bitch every time, and you just flies right over you because it's a caress of love. You don't even fucking notice. I'm just like, what's up, bitch? And you're like, oh, yeah. I know. That's what I love.

That's our Alex. All right, David Harbert, go grab some food with Alex and dress exact. Alex will shave to have a similar mustache. I've been thinking about it, David. It can be like David's character in Stranger Things Season 3, but an alternate universe where things aren't hellish.

Yeah, or you traveled 35 years into the 40 years into the future, and you still have the same clothes on. What are you aing about that, Jesse? I don't understand. All right. I don't know. There's weird strange things on this podcast we talk about all the time.

And here it is. We're actually going to go back to the strange thing. And just like a TV show, just as real. Well, depends on who you ask. OK, Jesse? Let me just throw out there that I did not invent Hawaiian shirts before somebody says no. Wait, what?

No, you never invented Hawaiian shirts. You merely adapted them to your lifestyle. I made them comfortable. That's what I did. The Hawaiian lifestyle. Oh, yeah. Out in California. That Aloha spirit is alive and well in the South Bay, baby.

You know what is alive and well? The Mothman. He's out there. He's out there. This episode is going to be fun. We're going to be doing a few more sightings. And then we're going to get into some explanations. And then we're going to leave you with little teasers

to what Part 3 is going to be all about. There's a Part 3? There's a Part 3. I guess if the Mothman's alive and well, it means that there's like a future. Like Mothman has kids, Mothkids now. Mothkids? Moth larva?

Larva kids? Yeah, Moth children with his Moth wipe. The sequel to the Mothman prophecies is the Mothkid diaries. Yes. I love it. I love it. Well, last episode, in case you forgot, a quick summary.

Mothman was behind 9-Eleven, Chernobyl, a couple of bridge collapses. And I feel like there was some other big thing. Oh, yeah, the Russian. Like the Russians. Don't forget that. That was just the, we determined that was the noisy name. Everyone loved that.

Oh, man. Everyone thought that was great. Only the smartest bits for the Chiluminati audience. We're here for, yeah. We're here for the high brow, hard to attain, comedic genius of riffing on stupid shit sometimes. But today, we're going to focus a lot, at least the early half of this episode, specifically in Singapore.

We're going to fast forward. Now, we kind of traveled in the past a little bit. We came up to the early 2000s. Now, we're putting ourselves. Whoa, whoa, whoa, is this Mothman, international man of mystery? I'm not saying he is or he isn't. What?

He's got a fedora on as he travels. That's why you can only see his red eyes. A fedora blocks out the light, completely unseeable face. That's what's going on there. Right. That owl-like shape. That's what it is. It's a wide brimmed fedora on top of his head.

Tucked backwards. I mean, on top of his head. Like sitting on the back of his head, like a yarmulke. But this is. This is creating a halo-like effect. I mean, it could be anything, really. It's true. That's true.

But this is Singapore in 2015. So we're talking not that long ago. This is very, very, very recent history here. And in 2015, there was a rash of sightings of a, quote, avian humanoid, unquote, flying around Singapore between August 28th and September 19th, specifically in 2015. Unlike the others.

The film Birdman? That's what, I never saw Birdman, never saw it. It's like Batman, but it's like trippy. Yeah, that's what I heard. I heard it was great. Michael Keaton, right? Oh yeah, give it a shot, guys. Go watch Birdman.

That's what we got so far out of this episode. So unlike all the other things that we talked about, whereas kind of nameless people or faceless people that have kind of gave their supports, if you remember the mining incident that we talked about last episode, a lot of those people couldn't even be verified. They were actually real at all or actually happened,

except for maybe a couple of them. But these people, unlike all of that, the people who saw the creature made connection between what they were seeing and the Point Pleasant creature. Moreover, all these people are named, first name, last name, they exist. You can actually, these people are real.

And this all happened in a very small timeframe of about three weeks-ish, as I was saying. So they saw it and they were like, oh shit, that's the moth man from a man in folklore. They saw it, they made the connection and even, quote, warranted a tweet from the moth man museum in Point Pleasant, West Virginia when this all happened.

Is that where that shiny ass statue is? I think so, yes. Hell yeah. That's right, the moth man's cryny show mask can be displayed and slapped, if you so wish. Did you say cryny show mask? Did I say cryny show? Cryny show!

Wittnay! It's been a day, what can I say? That is definitely a guy who lives in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Cryny show! Cryny show? Yeah, he lives in, like, hold his shack on the block. Don't write me as, I just seen a moth man!

I don't know why he sounds like that boogie man. He steps out of his shack and then the moth man- I don't know why he sounds like that boogie character. And then the moth man's love flying just goes by, ayy, oh, oh, oh, there he goes! Okay, well, let's go back to 2015 in Singapore. This first sighting happened on August 28th from a woman named Mildred Wan.

Mildred Wan was a 19-year-old college student, was scouting the location for a student film near an abandoned hospital in Changi, and if I mispronounce any of this stuff, apologies ahead of time. And this is in an Eastern region in Singapore. Changi was previously a naval base in a World War II prisoner of war camp.

As he was leaving the hospital, he heard something moving around the trees, likely a large- Is this, like, a mad spooky location? Have you seen pictures of this? I have not seen pictures of it, but I imagine any old World War II prisoner of war camp can't be a pleasant place to experience in any way.

Okay, so it's not like a museum or something. Like, we're talking about, like, a fucked up- Correct, he's a student film, like, locations, so probably, you know, maybe he's trying to film, like, a horror movie or something along those lines, but you're not a museum or anything like that. Gotcha. As he was leaving the hospital,

he heard something moving around in the trees, and, you know, again, in Singapore, so likely a large monkey bouncing around up there. But then he saw the creature openly. A rich monkey bouncing around. Yeah, man, they bounce around trees and shit. What do you think monkeys do? They're bouncing around up there.

Bouncing around and shaking the trees, throwing poo, and getting angry that there's another person around. A Mildren Juan just- Time to symbol if you're dead to be alive. Mildren Juan described this creature as a six-foot humanoid covered in black, leathery skin. Its head was round with a nose and a mouth full of reportedly sharp fangs.

This is a quote directly from Juan. As I left the building, I saw the creature. It appeared to be halfway up one of the trees with huge wings stretched out from its body, which appeared to be mostly human. I felt as if the creature was hunting me or else it was surprised to see me in its territory. It seemed to look in my direction before I ran off.

When I turned around, it had completely disappeared. Despite scouting for a film, a student film, because a lot of people are probably like, well, where's the camera? Why didn't he add a camera out? And again, this is 2015. Cameras are everywhere, including in your phone. Yeah, right?

When he was asked that, he said by the time he saw the creature here, already packed all of his equipment and therefore couldn't get any footage. That is unfortunate. Incredibly unfortunate. I wish that he would have been able to get that footage. Yeah, again, I know a lot of people, well, why didn't he just pull out his phone?

You also have to put yourself in a mindset you get spooked by something. Is the first thing you're going to do, pull out your phone and film it, or is the first thing you're going to do? Yeah, where do you draw the line? What's the scariest thing that you would be chill about? I mean, if I saw a six foot leathery creature,

even if it's a giant bat, and I never saw that thing in my life, because there are big ass bats out there, and it scared me, I'm the kind of dude that runs. Out of the fucking trees, would you go for the pick? If it was what? If a wolf walked out of the fucking trees, would you go for a pick? Would you be like, oh, shit.

Oh, no, God, no, I'd be out. Right? I'd be so out if a wolf, wolves are huge. Yeah. They're not like little dogs you can punch. How am I in relation to this wolf? Well, let's say, where was he in relation to the, as he was leaving the hospital,

he saw something in the trees near the door, probably. Halfway up the tree. Yeah, as he was leaving the hospital, he looked up and he saw something in the trees and then he ran. Halfway up the tree. So, I don't know, maybe like 20 feet, 30 feet? I guess it depends on,

if I was across a body of water, definitely going for the pick. I don't know, because I've seen Harry Potter and like demons can get you. This is a bad way to space any sort of, it's all relative, it's all relative. That's criny show. Well, I don't know what I know,

but I know I've seen that Harry Potter. I don't got no cameras in my shack. That's the moth man I seen. Well, what if instead, I think we need to all come to the understanding that from now on, in this field, if you see something spooky, photograph it. If you see something, say something.

Yeah. We still, I don't know if we have time, because I know the schedules are being set, but if there's ever a chance while we're out there in England, I'm telling you, if there's something nearby that's spooky, let's do it. The haunted Telford bathroom of Nando's. Bring what?

I'm bringing that football thing. Bring the doll. I'll bring the doll. Sure, Harry. I gotta see this fucking football thing. I've been dying to open this. Anyway, shall we press on? Mildred saw something, didn't get a picture.

Let's move to August 30th, just two days later. A person by the name of Alice Yimdale. No relation or any sort of known, like they don't know this person. None, none, zero. Alice Yimdale was a 54 year old bird, avid bird watcher. And her husband, they were both looking for birds near Dempsey Hill at around 2.30 in the afternoon.

She described hearing a, quote, loud fluttering sound and went to investigate. She and her husband both saw the creature for roughly three minutes. And reportedly it was barely moving and could have been male or female. A quote from Yimdale says, I'd say around nine to 10 feet.

My husband says it was longer. It had a very thin body. Man, after three minutes, I think the phone will be out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is one of those things where there's the initial shock of something that comes to, like you see it, like, oh my God. And I can understand fight or flight,

but I think the vast majority of us would be so frozen in place, staring at whatever it was, that after a certain period of time, you'd either get out or you'd be like, okay, like your brain would kick in and be like, hey, what you're saying is weird, do something. And I know that I would be like,

all right, phone, let's get this guy. Yep. How ubiquitous is cell phone technology amongst like older people? I mean, they're not that old though, right? They're like 55. I guess this is 2015. I'm, you know, I keep thinking.

They were like 55 in 2003. Yeah, I keep thinking it's like longer ago. Yeah. At that point, you have really no excuse. Yeah, you're right. Because you were still like in your early 30s, late 20s when cell phones were becoming a thing. Yeah, no excuse at that point.

And no excuse at that point. Unless you're dirt poor. I would also be interested to know if the first sighting had been reported in any news outlets yet. Well, the rachel sightings doesn't stop there because the following day, somebody else saw something. Fergus Thomas, under the alias of Fergus Thomas,

he doesn't want his real name to be known. Fergus Thomas of Singapore? I might have to do, Fergus Thomas, yes. But he, sorry, he went by the alias at the time, Fergus Waffles. What? When he first gave the story. I don't believe any of this, right?

What are you about to say? It could be like, the mothman came and we had a conversation and I wouldn't believe it. If your name was Fergus Waffles, I'm out. Did we just dox Fergus Waffles? I don't think we doxed them. Did we just doxed Mr. Waffles? No, because we, I mean, we already know the name,

the actual name. There's no way we doxed Mr. Waffles. All right. There's no way. Under the alias of Fergus Waffles, the 46 year old geography teacher was walking his dog at 530 in Istana, Woodniuk area. And I probably butchered that last part, but I tried. And abandoned two story palace in reportedly a haunted area.

He said that his dog noticed the creature first and stood stock still and stared at the creature's direction. The creature reportedly six feet tall with 10 foot wingspan was completely still with only its chest moving up and down as if it were breathing. He claimed the creature did not see him

because when he noticed it, he took cover behind a bush. A quote from Mr. Waffles himself. Quote, it was hard to tell because the wings were wrapped around its body similar to a sleeping bat. It was black and had webbed wings similar to a bat. It had a human head but slightly more round and it had hair.

It was like that moth man. The moth man? He may not have, can I tell you something? Did we know that these guys just didn't see the movie, the moth man prophecies? Did it air on TV? That's how they know like, oh yeah, it's like the moth man. Oh, I'm sure that's a huge part

because the movie and the book are even the reason that moth man is worldwide known as the moth man. That was like 15 years before this though. Right, so there's absolutely the possibility, if not that, I would say even almost absolute possibility that he has moth man in his head. He knows what the moth man is. Right, that's such a fucking coincidence.

If these people don't know about each other, unless the movie aired like that week or something that you'd get a sighting on August 28th? I will do some very cursory research. So the top of episode three, if they're like by chance moth man did really run at that point, then I'll bring it up. Cause I mean, that could be a very bizarre

but plausible explanation as to why this three week period was hot with sightings. Cause if they weren't reported on the media till later or something like that, or they weren't widely known to at least to each other, that's pretty remarkable. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's it's pretty crazy. And they all similarly explains the second one,

they'd say he was, they think it was bigger, but for the most part, between six and 10 feet, we'll see. So let's move on. That's pretty close for like a obscured creature in the trees, you know? Agreed, I agree. Now let's move on to the next day. September 1st, 2015.

Lee Fu, a 27 year old freelance journalist and previously a holistic therapist was on assignment in Bukit Tungku residential area of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. A little over. Kuala Lumpur. Kuala Lumpur, there you go. This is 200 miles from the Singapore sightings.

Not that far. Yeah, I mean still 200 miles, 200 miles. Yeah. Far enough. Interestingly, her assignment was for a local paranormal magazine. And she was investigating a Pontianics or the ghostly spirits of women who died during childbirth

in an abandoned house. Which sounds like something I would love to do. That sounds like so much fun. So she's already prepped for being scared. Sure, you can say that. Or she's prepped to not be scared easily. But she's looking, she's like looking for something. Sure.

I was expecting, ooh, and I got, yaw, yaw, yaw. I would be, I don't know, that would, that would shift my color. Can I frighten you a little bit? All right. When she was in the abandoned house doing her ghost hunting, looking for the spirits of dead, birthing women, she heard what she described as a dry rustling

in one of the rooms. Armed with a flashlight, as all good ghost hunters are, she investigated the sound. It took three HP per second when she shined it on the ghost. She had to slam the ghost on each side a few times. When she saw what was in the room, she dropped her flashlight in hidden corner. Quote from Foo, I was terrified by what I saw.

There were two glowing red eyes staring back at me. Then it began screeching shrilly, bolted up, expanded its huge wings, and jerked its head menacingly toward me. Yaw, yaw, yaw. Foo kept quiet and hid, listening to the breathing of the creature until she heard what she described a flapping sound

and felt a large gust of wind. When she was sure she couldn't hear the breathing anymore, she ran out of the house. In regards as to why she didn't have any footage of the sighting, she said she was too scared to record the creature. She said that she smelled something foul like a rotten carcass, which is interesting

because that typically goes hand in hand with demons and demon possession and demon presences in a haunted area. Sulfur smell? Yes, sulfur, rotting carcasses, yeah, that kind of thing. She described the creature as having the frame of a man, very thin and sinewy, with two arms and two legs, standing at about 10 feet tall, now matching the second description

that we had for this episode, and covered in leathery black skin. It had large bat-like wings and human-shaped eyes that glowed red in the light. Foo believed the creature could be the mothman itself and connected it to the other recent sightings in Singapore, stating that Kuala Lumpur and Singapore are even relatively close.

So at this point, the sightings are known. So that casts a little doubt right on hers. That one seems a little weaker because she mentioned the other news stories. She mentioned the other one, she's further away, and as Jesse said earlier, she was already there looking for something worthy. It could be that she got there and she's like,

man, I guess women giving birth and dying don't wanna relive that past forever. There's nothing here. Mothman sightings 200 miles, let's do that. I'll get my name in the papers. Yeah, I don't know, that's fucking weird. And that's why it's good to have credible stories and non-credible stories.

Let's continue. September 19th, about, you know, we're getting up on like three weeks after this particular sighting we just talked about, Fergus Thomas. Mr. Waffles? The second sighting, yeah, Mr. Waffles, exactly, same person. The second sighting by Fergus Thomas,

the 46-year-old geography teacher, took place at the same abandoned building he had been exploring before in Astana, Woodnick. He reports seeing a pair of creatures three feet tall with a wingspan of about only four feet, the Mothman family. The creatures had rocks and sticks scattered about on the ground and appeared to be playing

some sort of game. Moth kid diaries. What? Let's get to the quote. Quote, they seem to be playing. It seemed like they were also attempting to fly. However, it seemed they were not yet fully developed enough to have acquired this skill.

After about three minutes of observation, he heard a shrill shriek in the distance, which he believed to be the adult creature he had seen on his last expedition and he fled the area once again. When asked why he had no footage of it this time, he said he, quote, regrettably forgot to bring a camera and didn't own a mobile phone.

Every time. So the first sighting of Mr. Thomas, I would have deemed pretty credible. Maybe if you ran, you didn't, you know, whatever, you didn't have your phone on you or you're too scared. It's the second story that immediately puts down on the first story because now he's got the Moth children

playing games with sticks and stones and the mom coming home. That'd be like going hunting without your gun. That'd be like going fishing and not bringing the fishing rod. Like, I don't- Yeah, you're going. He went back to the exact same place

he saw him the first time. Why would you not bring a camera? I forgot. I just wanted to go there. So that's unfortunate. Come on, Mr. Waffles. Now we're going to go to a sighting where a picture is involved.

I love a picture. Yes. This is another time fast forward. That takes us out of the Singapore area for all the sightings. Maybe the first one is the most credible. Maybe the second one with the old couple. But after that, it didn't really hold water in my opinion,

but it's good to know that there's all those people out there because there are always going to be people that are going to leap on to credible sightings and then that immediately will drag down any credible sightings as less believable because other people are going to jump on. So let's talk about the Chicago Phantom, Chicago, Illinois, 2011 and 2017.

Why do they got to have their own branded version? Because this is America, man, capitalism. You got to have something to sell to the people. If it caught on, boom, you have a new mascot for your city. Let's start making money. They made their own version of pizza. And just like they were like, this is pizza. And it's great though.

It's fine, it's fine. I'm not trying to start a war, but I'm just like, come on. Like you just call it the Mothman, you know? What are you guys doing? The Chicago Phantom. All right. Beginning in 2011, sightings of avian humanoids have happened in Chicago, leading people

to dub the phenomenon known the Chicago Phantom. The 2011 sightings come from a Mufon. I don't know if you guys know what Mufon is. Mufon.org. Yes, Mufon.org. I love a strawberry Mufon. No, you will not have a strawberry Mufon. Because Mufon is the mutual UFO network.

You can actually go and take training and get certified and all this other stuff. You can actually join Mufon. You get a badge. It's like an investigator? Yeah, there's a lot. They're basically, there are people that go out and try to quote debunk UFO landings

and get people's reports and collect evidence. And they're basically out there trying to prove this shit is real. So it's skeptic. There's a lot of skeptics and there's a lot of believers. The thing is Mufon is open to the public to join as long as you take their tests and all that stuff. So, and pay the fees.

There's fees to join, of course. According to the report, the married couple took this picture below, took the picture on August 2nd, 2011. They claim that they didn't even notice the figure until they were looking at the photos later and when enlarged, the bat wings became evident. So you guys still have the outlines linked.

I don't know if you're following along. I'm looking at it right now. What are those things called that you put on and then you jump off a building? Paragliders or like wingsuits. Wingsuits? Like, I don't know, like, doesn't that kind of look like a wingsuit?

Kind of does, I can, but it's interesting because of the zoomed up photo, you can see the wings themselves are redder and whiter more in the wingspan to denote maybe they're thinner there. Yeah, or alternate theory, maybe like a butterfly closer to the camera. Oh, maybe, that's interesting. I don't know though, but we'll probably

get some more info here. What do you think, Jesse? Just seeing the photo without doing any more research. I mean, I still think it's buffkiss, but, you know. There's, I think. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what this is. That's fine.

On September 30th, 2011, two students in the Miller Park area of University Park were getting dressed when they saw two large orange eyes staring at them from their third floor window. It's George McFly. George McFly. They reported that they felt afraid and that they were being eyed as prey.

Dude, do you see that? What is that, dude? Fuck, I feel like, I feel like it's watching me like I'm prey. I feel like it's high right now, man. I'm its prey, bro. What, are we its prey, man? Oh, dude.

Do my eyes deceive me? Just to like also, like, if we can go back to that picture. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna do a Google search just to be sure. Yeah, yeah. I think what we're seeing in this picture. So those people don't know. There is a giant piece of Native American

cultural appropriation. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Used to have a lot of those in Applebee's in the early 2000s. Oh, yeah. And so he is, he looks like a cigar. Very, very tall.

That is a massive statue. Probably outside of like a diner and or cigar lot. Yeah. Yeah. This thing, if you look at it, tellin' ya, I think that it is a optical illusion and that is actually closer to the camera than the statue and it is just straight up a bat.

A bat in the daytime. I think, I think Monarch butterfly. I think it's like, if you look at it, you can see the little tiny legs in the back and you can see the sort of- You can definitely see the leg, like the sticky legs. Yeah, tellin' ya, go like, I'm gonna keep doin' it. Bats, just Google bats.

Well, it was, the bats or not, these bros were being eyed as prey in this moment. Back to the guys who are not at all high and good, upstanding students. Were they not high? I imagine that they weren't high. Not mentioned in the story. Not mentioned in the story.

I imagine if they were, they wouldn't have said that they were. Right. So let's continue. Not to throw dirt on the name of these strange students. Who knows, they could be like great students. At least six other students in the area as well reported having seen the creature, which they described as six or seven feet tall,

dark gray or black with glowing eyes. Witnesses said they saw it ascend into the air and that its wings made a whooshing sound when it flew. It's a lot of witnesses. That's it, it's a lot of witnesses. On October 14th, 2011, a young couple enjoying an evening walk saw the creature. Two weeks later.

Yeah, two months later. They described, or no, no, two weeks later. Sorry, not two months later. They described a man with wings flying roughly 12 feet above them. One witness described it as having a body type similar to a sugar glider, quote from the witness. But they were nothing like the soft eyes of a glider.

Those, these glowed red. I guess I'm not good at a Midwestern accent. You want, does anybody else better at a Midwestern accent? By the way, if those who are curious what a sugar glider is. Oh yeah, it's probably a good idea to explain that. Yeah, sugar gliders are sort of, like, tiny squirrels, creatures that can glide.

With really long tails, like, and they can glide around. They kind of like are flying squirrels, I guess, would be the closest thing. But they are a little bit different. And super cute. But man-sized, they're saying? This is man-sized. Correct.

We saw for about four seconds before it disappeared from view. At first, at first I thought I was looking at a man in a hang glider, but it was those bloody eyes that made me think otherwise. Was this like an Englishman who was working at the? No, bloody as in like red. Oh, straight up, like bloody eyes.

Yeah, yeah. Cause this is in America. Right. So, here we go. The most recent spate of sightings of the Chicago Phantom actually came in 2017. So much closer to present day. The first sighting was by a man by the name of Billy Bantz.

No. Billy Bantz? Billy Bantz, baby. Billy Bantz! Hey! Billy Bantz, hey, a local truck driver. He was delivering a shipment when he saw a strange creature in the air.

He believes the incident has had an impact on his life and that the more he spoke of the incident, the worse his luck became. Billy! Quote, it looked like a flying Batmobile. I was sitting in- Nope. I was sitting in my semi-

I was sitting in my semi trailer at around noon. I saw this object coming from Route 55 in Cicero. I saw it gliding and not too fast. No sound, either. I saw that it was not a drone in the size of a large car. It climbed higher and turned twice. I can tell you that it glided just like a bird. It went almost straight up and I lost it in the clouds.

This is 2017? 2017. 2017. I think what he saw was the Batplane. Right, that's what it was. He saw the Batmobile and shot wings out, became the Batplane. Then we've got an unnamed witness

in Oz Park, Chicago, April 7th, 2017. The witness who chose to remain anonymous reported seeing a seven foot tall avian humanoid in Oz Park area in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago's north side. They claimed to be jogging with their dog when their dog became scared by something and the park's birds stopped making sounds.

A quote from the witness. It was about seven feet tall and instead of clothes, it looked like a giant half man, half bird kind of thing. These wings looked almost bat like and were at least 10 feet across from tip to tip. It rose into the air like a bullet and I heard it screech once more before losing it from my view as it rose above the trees

and possibly the buildings. Whoa, so what, I wonder what causes this to happen. I mean, if it's not literally just, if it's not literally just them seeing this creature, like what causes like a spate of sightings like that? That's so cool. Right, and we're gonna see this one, the next one and the one after this.

All three of them all remained, chose to remain anonymous so we can at least pluck the idea of them chasing fame out of the equation because they don't want their names known. The one thing is that is inconsistent is that for these ones is like, where's the disaster? Right, there is no disaster, which links into a couple of the explanations

to what this could be if this thing either exists or doesn't. Right. Which we'll get into. The next unnamed witness was an unnamed boater, Lake Michigan, Chicago, April 15th, 2017. So about a week later, a week and a day. The witnesses who chose to remain anonymous were on Lake Michigan between,

I think that's 10, yeah, 10 p.m. and 2 a.m. when they saw the large creature flying. Quote from the witness, we were about two miles out on the lake just off of Montrose at about 10 p.m. We were enjoying ourselves when I happened to look up and saw what looked like a giant bat and not like a fox bat.

So he already knows, probably sees fox bats a lot or at least understands them. This bat was as tall as my husband who was six foot four inches or even bigger. This bat circled the boat three times in complete silence before heading off toward Montrose. It quickly blended into the night sky and was gone in seconds.

Pretty consistent size all the way across on these. And these are there quietly flying and flying off to the distance and just disappear. They don't make too much noise or anything. They're just kind of there. The next unnamed witness, also Chicago, that same day, 2017, a witness who chose to remain anonymous

reported seeing a large winged creature which they dubbed a lechuzza, which is a man-like bird monster from Mexican folklore. Quote, we walked over there and saw what looked like a big owl. As we walked up to it, this owl stood up on two feet and looked right at us. We saw that what looked like a huge lechuzza,

except it was about six feet tall and really big. It had large glowing red eyes that were completely freaking everybody out. For those who don't know, in folklore, a lechuzza is said to be a witch who was killed by angry and frightened townspeople. They say that she is a ghost who has returned to seek vengeance

on those who murdered her in the form of a human-sized bird with a woman's face. Some tales claim she is the ghost of a woman who was widowed by a man who remarried or the devoted wife of an unfaithful husband. What are they supposed to do? What do you mean? Are they supposed to look like fucking moths?

Like, why did he say it looks like a lechuzza? Because they're half women, half bird. So you have those like the wings, but she's saying that the thing she saw, this witness was bigger than that, like even bigger. I see, wild. The next witness is also unnamed, Chicago International Produce Market, that same day.

Same day? Correct, this is the third site on the 15th of April. Quote from the witness, I looked up and saw the biggest freaking owl I have ever seen. I'm six foot two inches and I'm guessing this thing was at least a foot taller than me. Both people said owl, huh?

Yeah, it was completely black, except for it having bright, yellowish, reddish eyes, like a cat. It stood there for a minute or two, staring at everyone before shooting up into the sky and disappearing. It made everyone feel uneasy and only took off after some guys threw rocks at it.

It had wings on it like an owl, but only bigger, and you could hear it flap those wings when it took off. So now they're not leathery wings, they're wings like an owl, but it's still fitting that gigantic bird man style. Like, if it's like a big enough wing, like it'll be like flap, flap. Right, and that's what they're saying,

it makes noise when it takes off. Like the leathery versus owl debate, it's like. Right, right. I don't know. Owl was that, Jesse? There are other witnesses to this? We've got one more. No, no, no, I mean like the statement said,

it made everyone feel uneasy and only took off after some guys took. So if this is. Okay. These last three. Well, I imagine these sightings are pretty big right now. I'm wondering if we were to look into it like on a deep level, this one specific incident.

These last three are all on the same day. That's what. This is number four, and here's number five. This one's number five now. But these last three were the ones that are all on the same day, right? Oh yeah, those were, I think it was four? Let me double check.

Oh no, right, one, two, yeah, three on the same day. Three on the same day. That's a lot, that's like too fast for word to spread. I agree, yeah. Then the last sighting of this particular rash of sightings is also Lincoln Park, Chicago. This time June 3rd, so a couple weeks later, a little over a couple weeks later, from an unnamed couple.

A couple who wished to remain anonymous had finished a late dinner and were out for a walk at around 10 p.m. when they saw the creature. Quote, it was a seven to eight foot solid black humanoid with wide membrane wings. So back to the bat-like wings that resemble those of a huge bat.

The wingspan was at least 12 feet. The head was prominent and thinner than a human head. The back end of the body tapered to a point. No legs were noticed, but could have been tucked up under the body. The figure was gliding quickly along the length of the street heading east, then suddenly ascended into the night sky.

Neither of them heard any sound, but both witnesses told Strickler, the person that was interviewing them, that they felt a sense of foreboding and were still terrified almost an hour after the encounter. If I really saw that shit, I would be terrified for one year after the encounter. Right, right.

At least an hour is not long enough. Right, I feel you. I feel you. Okay, so this is my theory before we get into official theories. Yeah, that's the end of all of the sightings that we have for both episodes. I think a bat monster and a bird monster

fell in love in Chicago. And had kids. And had some little moth kids and went on a honeymoon to Singapore. And they taught him how to play and fly in Singapore. Yeah, old moth, they're sticky. Yeah, and then they're back in Chicago in 2017. That's my theory.

Moth family. Moth family. They went on vacation to Chicago. And it's ironic because none of them are actually moths. They just like, they're like, yeah, everybody thinks we're moths. So guess that's what we are. It's a family name.

The moth family. All right. So we're gonna dive into a couple things here. Now, we could dive into, we're gonna skip really diving deep into the movie, deep into the book. The point of it is that the book themselves, the book and the movie have outright lies in them

on purpose. The director has admitted as much. The writer has admitted as much. Just like to make it scarier. Yeah, to make it scarier, to make it a more interesting story. Moreover, the point really of both of those is that's, you just have to understand that's how the moth man

became a worldwide phenomenon. At least the term moth man became worldwide. Those move that movie and the books, which books were first movie, second, really popularized it. But we're gonna talk, I really just wanna dive into theories. What are the theories as to what this thing can be?

And it really boils down to three different categories which we'll go through here and talk about. But do you boys, before we dive in, if this thing is real, I imagine most theories, I think my theory though, I really wanna believe one of them, beyond the anonymous witnesses,

probably just a giant fucking animal, right? Like, it's gotta be what it is. Big owl, maybe big owl. Jesse's like giggling to himself over there. I mean, yeah, it's definitely an animal of some type and people see what they wanna see. Like it's not that big of a perspective, big owl. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely not an evil being

of some sorts. Based on light and like animals at night, their eyes, based on the way they look, like you can get crazy yellow ones or crazy red ones, but it's, for me, like the individual locations are more compelling to me than this being a single creature

across all the whole world. You know what I mean? Like, to me, looking at like Singapore and looking at Chicago and looking at, you know, Point Pleasant, I'm more willing to believe that there was maybe something that was weird that night or that day or those couple of weeks.

Like, imagine if in Chicago, like a weird bird was like in downtown area for some reason, like a fucking weird ass like river bird or lake bird and just like scare the shit out of some people or in Point Pleasant, like some big ass owl with some big spots on its back. You know, like whatever, like there's a million things it could be

and I, or it could be a moth man, whatever. But like, I'm just more, I'm more convinced by the synchronicity of the local accounts together than I am of like, this is a monster that travels the whole globe. And let's be very clear and everyone can look this up. If you go and just Google, I don't know, glowing animal eyes night, something like that.

Shit scary every time. You probably can find, you can probably find articles and pictures of different animals' eyes at night and it won't shock any of you at all to discover that while many of us know like yellow-eyed cats, for example, or like raccoons having yellow eyes,

one of the things you will very quickly discover is that aside from rabbits and alligators, which have red eyes, owls have red and orange eyes at night. Owls have bright red eyes. Yeah. So I feel like that's, this is one of those where all of us can easily say

the evidence shows that if it looks like a giant owl, it might be a perspective giant, like from your perspective, it looks giant, but it's really just an owl. Or it could be that there are some big ass owls out there. Real talk. I don't know if I told this story before on the show. I think maybe I did.

But I was like sitting in the car, like getting ready to leave a party and I like looked up the hill at like this area of the street that like kind of goes up into the hillside and I saw this like form that was like this like lizard man monster crouched on a fence, like like fucking nightcrawler or something like that. Just like sitting on like a fence,

like this swamp leaf creature. And I sat there and I was staring at it for about 15 minutes and I was so fucking freaked out by it that I called my friend from the party to like come down and he got in my car all like wasted. Like, and I'm like, do you see that? And he's like, I see it. And we're like looking at it and I'm like,

what the fuck is that? And he's like, I think it's breathing. And I'm like, I know, I see it. And then we walk up to it and it was just like some fucking leaves. So like, if that. I see this wafting in the wind, making it look like he was breathing.

Literally, it was just like Ivy growing on the thing. And I just never looked at it at night before like that. And if there was a fucking owl sitting right there with its fucking red ass eyes, like I like, I wouldn't blame you even for being fucking freaked out because that shit is so wild looking. And I, and I truly believe that that,

cause it's happened to me before. I don't remember any specific stories, but I know I've been at night someplace that was a little bit like spooky and I've seen stuff. And upon further investigation, it was like a tree, right? Yeah, of course. I definitely, the other day I was driving down the road and a tree literally looked like it had a mouth

that was like, ah, but I just kept looking at it and realized it was just, you know, the tree had a hole in it. But as I was driving past it, the perspective was this evil, like I'm going to get you Dorothy looking tree. And it happens. That stuff happens all the time in nature

because we look for patterns as humans. That's like a thing we do. And so we always try to find patterns of things to make sense of things. And sometimes the pattern recognition shows us stuff that isn't there. So like you can see on the fence of breathing lizard creature because your brain's like, what could this be?

I'm going to try and like form an image together. And then reality just leaves. Yeah, but then again, here's another story. One time I was out at a lake with some friends and we were like sitting there like with our underwear on with our feet in the water in the middle of the night. But before we move on, are you, have you imbibed anything?

Uh, we were probably like a little drunk, but like we weren't waiting for this to be a joke. I can't believe you're taking this seriously. We weren't like, and then the camp counselor came back to life. No, no, we weren't, we weren't fucked up. We weren't like, you know, wasted, but we were drinking a little bit.

Like it was like, it was like a pretty chill night. We were like having like a little sentimental night. We had an iPhone with the flashlight on with a water bottle as our lamp. Like you just put a water bottle on top of the iPhone light. It was good vibes. And then we looked up and I realized that I saw these like three figures like peeking over this like cliff

side above us and I noticed it. And I was, I was like, and I couldn't really see anything other than like the outlines of the heads. You know, like I couldn't, it was silhouetted. It was pretty dark. And I was sitting there and we were, I like called everybody's attention to it slowly

and we were kind of talking about it and quietly and talk about it for maybe like four minutes while this, these three figures were just kind of like over us. And then we were talking about how it probably was just something and that we were trying to decide whether or not we should go up there. And then one by one, they slid away off the top of the ridge and we never figured out what it was.

And we ran over there to see and there was nothing there. Holy. So, okay. All right. That's, that's like scary, but I'm going to give you real terror. I'm going to tell you, this is a real story. That's, that wasn't a lie.

That happened. No, no, no, this is a real story. I'll tell you that was a real story. You're, that sounds like aliens like watching you. My senior year of high school, I went camping. It was myself, my friend Brian Morris, we called Mo and these three girls, right? And we were just like, it's going to be a great camp out.

It's going to be so much fun. There was this girl that was going with us that I was like, I'm going to make out with this, right? So, so the tent, we go up into the middle. This is Ohio. We're up in the middle of nowhere. We go out and so this tent, my friends are like really slow at tent building.

So it took us a long time and it became night. We were still setting up the tent. So I turned on my car's lights. The tent and all our campsite was finally done. We all get in the, we all get in the tent and we hear some stuff like outside. And we just assumed, you know, it's a, it's a camp ground. And even though there are, we're like on the far edge

and there's no one near us, it could be some of the, like, I think there might have been four or five other groups there. And so as we're hanging out, keep hearing it, but it's coming from the forest. We're like, what the hell is that noise? So I go out to the car, turn on the lights so I can sort of see what's out there. See nothing.

All right. So I go back and one of the girls was like really scared. I was like, okay, I'll wait outside a little bit in my car and just like sit down, turn off the lights and just sit there and wait. And so my friend Brian's like, do you want me to come with you and let us like, yeah, we can be in here.

You guys can stay outside. And one of them's like, you can protect us. You know? Yeah, of course. Appealing to your urban legends. Hormones really. So Brian comes up to the car. We're sitting in my car at the time.

Lights are off. We have, the car isn't even running. We're just in the dark and the tent, there's a little light where I think they're talking or whatever they were doing. And we were just sitting there watching this tent, looking at the forest. And it might've been, I don't know,

20, 30 minutes gone by and we're just sitting there talking and we saw like something in the night. And it like moved through the forest. And I was like, what the hell was that dude? And he's like, I don't know, man. And we saw another thing. And we kept seeing like figures moving through the forest. And it became very uncomfortable to the point where we're like,

we should move away from the woods. Like the whole point was we were next to the woods so we could like drink near the woods and like not get caught by adults. But at this point we're like, we should, we should very much move. But we were like, we also don't want to just go in there and tell these girls, there's some crazy shit going on

in the woods. This is like the beginning of a missing 411 case. So we're like, what do we do? And Brian looks at me like, we could just like stay out here a little bit longer. And then like, I don't know, like let's just watch. And so we kept watching and these like three figures moved closer to the tent.

And I was like, hell no, turned on the lights. Lights went into the woods. I didn't see a damn thing. Didn't see a damn thing. I was like, oh, hell no. So went into the tent and was like, I think we should move this tent. And the girls were like, it's really like,

can we do it tomorrow morning? And I was like, I really think we should move this tent right now. And one of the girls is already asleep. And so Brian was just like, you know, maybe, maybe Jesse and I should stay outside tonight. And they're like, okay. And so they slept in the tent and we stayed up guard duty

until we like passed out of guard duty. Next morning, we pack up all the tent and we move it as we're packing the tent to move it from out of the woods. And to this day, the girls joke about this, but I think Brian and I freaked out like a group of what we eventually called hill people. Like dressed in, I wanna say trash bags like came out of the woods.

What? And we're like, do y'all need any help? And we're like, no, we're good. And we like grabbed all the stuff and moved away like back to where all the other people were. That dude had to be on the phone with those fucking dudes in cabin in the woods. I'm telling you, we got our group, we got our group.

I truly believe that had we just been in that tent the entire night, they would have come and snatched us up. But that's why stories like Mothman aren't completely unbelievable. Right, cause if those were people, we're just people and they were able to just dip behind a tree and disappear from you. Imagine what something with wings could do.

It's just like, you never know. You don't know what the fuck. There's no way that, like I have no idea what was watching me in the night. I don't know what, I thought it was a hallucination and then it was real. Like, I don't know what to- There's a thing though, I could easily be the person who is,

I'm, these people came out of the woods. They could be the nicest people in the world who are just like, hey, y'all need some help? And I just, we saw something in the woods that might not even been real, but we assumed it was them because they showed up in the direction of what we saw. So I don't know that it was them,

but I just know that like the two and two together is really creepy to me because when they came out of the woods, it was uncomfortable. I was like, they didn't look like they were gonna kill us, but they were like, hi, y'all. You need some help. It's just like the idea of what were you doing so close to us last night in totally darkness.

Right, and clearly trying to stay hidden. Again, if that was them and not just us seeing a thing and assuming because they showed up, it was- But the thing is you and your friends both saw something. It's not like you hallucinated on your own. But this could go back to Alex where I was like, do you see that? And he was like, yeah, I do see that.

We went out there and we watched and we were like, oh my God, look at that. And we were like following along, but this could be a thing where I saw one thing, he saw another thing. We both assumed we were seeing the same thing. It's true, it's possible. I don't know, I have no clue.

But what I do know is that to this day, there are three girls who think the Hill people are very funny and two guys who are not okay at all with the Hill people. With the Hill people. You're thinking about the Hills have eyes and shit. Yeah, man. You don't wanna end up somebody's dining room table.

All right, listen, both your stories are horrifying. And I don't know if I'm jealous or lucky that I haven't had those experiences yet. That same night I saw two deer walk out of the woods at us and it just like fucked us up. Cause we were like, yeah, I was trying to like smooch on this girl for a night and I had to spend the night in a car and a Ford pro

to be the knight in shining armor, man. Myself and a dude in a Ford probe all night watching the. No, no more fearsome vehicle than a Ford probe. Ah, it was a rough, it was a rough one. Yeah, agreed. Well, it was a bad experience. Let's talk about some mothman theories. All right.

The first thing we're going to talk about is that the mothman the mothman is a product of a blood curse. Tell me more. Do I got a fish hook in your chin and cheeks, Jesse? Well, I mean, what kind of blood curse? There are many of blood curse. Well, then let's talk. This particular one is from the early 1770s.

The Native American tribes formed a Confederacy comprised of the Shawnee, Delaware, Wien, Dot, Mingo, Miami, Ottawa, and Illinois to keep their lands out of the hands of the settlers. That's true, by the way. To keep the lands out of the hands. Of the settlers. Okay. At the time, the leader of the Shawnee was chief.

Kituga, Kitugua. Kitugua. Kitugua, yeah. Yeah, Kitugua. Translated as cork stalk, which we'll be using as reference from now on. It's gotta be cork stalk, right? Cork stalk.

Maybe you would imagine it's probably, but oh yeah, you're right. It's cork stalk. I think that is just a typo up there. My bad. There. Though the numbers were even, the Native Americans couldn't compete

with the muskets of the settlers and they retreated westward to the wilds of Ohio. To keep them from returning, the settlers built a fort at the junction of Kenawa and Ohio rivers. It is this fort that in 1794 would become the town of Point Pleasant. Damn, that's an old town.

How interesting. It's an old fucking town. Chief cork stalk did not want to continue fighting in loss of life, so he made peace with the settlers. However, in 1777, in the heat of the Revolutionary War, the British started coaxing the Native Americans into attacking the rebellious colonies. On November 7th, Chief cork stalking the Delaware

Chief Red Hawk along with another unknown Native American went to the fort to speak with Captain Arbuckle. The chiefs explained that they were opposed to the war, but as it was only them and their men, they may be forced to go along with the rest of the tribe confederacy. Hearing that, they wouldn't stop their men from fighting against the colonies.

Captain Arbuckle had them taken as hostages to keep the other tribes from attacking and forcing them into a standoff. What a dumbass. On November 9th, Chief cork stalks son, Ellenis, Ellen, Ellenis, Ellen Pisco, Ellen Pisco? Ellen Pisco, there you go, I'm bad at this. Ellen Pisco came to see his father and was detained.

The next day, two men hunting deer near the fort were ambushed by Native Americans, and while one was able to escape, the other was killed. And rage, the people of the fort broke into the quarters where the hostages were held and decided to execute the prisoners as revenge. Oh my God, they killed two chiefs? Yeah, and they also detained the other person they detained.

What is the opposite of politics? What do you call that? A sandwich? Yeah, that's what this is. It's awful. All four of the prisoners were killed. The unknown man was strangled. Chief Red Hawk tried to escape

by climbing up the chimney, but was caught and killed. Ellenis Pisco was shot where he had been sitting, and Chief cork stalk took eight bullets before falling to the floor. As he lay dying, he uttered these words, quote, I was the border man's friend. Many times I have saved him and his people from harm. I never warred with you,

but only to protect our wigwams and lands. I refused to join your pale face enemies with the red coats. I came to the fort as your friend and you murdered me. You have murdered by my side, my young son. For this, may the curse of the great spirit rest upon this land. May it be blighted by nature. May it even be blighted in its hopes.

May the strength of its people be paralyzed by the stain of our blood. Jesus. We'll get to that particular quote in a little bit though. Remember that quote for right now. When he died, unlike the others, which were thrown into the Kanawa River, he was buried at the junction of the rivers.

In 1840, his bones were moved to build the Mason County Courthouse, and in 1899, a monument was erected in Cornstalk's memory. In the late 1950s, Point Pleasant wanted to build another courthouse, and Chief Cornstalk's remains, amounting to three teeth and 15 pieces of bone, were placed into an aluminum box and reinterred in the corner of the Two-Endy Way Park,

next to the grave of a frontiersman he fought and later befriended. A 12-foot monument was built in his honor. This is not the only monument dedicated to the feared Native American chief. There is one 86-foot feet tall and dedicated in August 1909, one month behind schedule. The night before the original dedication on July 22nd,

the clear sky erupted into lightning, badly damaging the crane that was meant to put the monument in place. It took a month for the crane to be repaired. After the monument was dedicated, it stood proud for 12 years, until on July 4th, 1921, another burst of lightning struck the monument,

damaging the capstone and some graphite blocks. Damn. Many tragedies in the Point Pleasant area have been blamed on Chief Cornstalk's dying curse, including the Silver Bridge disaster. The December 6th, 1907, Monagawa, West Virginia, 310 coal miners killed in the worst coal mine disaster.

June 22nd and 23rd, 1944, tri-state area of 150 people killed by a tornado. August 10th, 1968, the airport 35 of 37 people on board killed when a Piedmont Airlines plane crashed. November 4th, 1970, Huntington, West Virginia, 75 people, including most of the Marshall University football team, killed when a Southern Airways DC-10 crashed into a mountain. March 2nd, 1976, Mason County Jail,

Bruce and Harriet Sisk, as well as three law enforcement officers were killed when Mr. Sisk brought a suitcase full of explosives into the jail to destroy the building and kill himself and his wife, who had been arrested for the murder of their infant daughter. January 23rd, 1978, Point Pleasant, West Virginia, a freight train derails and pours 20,000 gallons of toxic

epichlorohydrin into the water supply, contaminating it and causing the wells to be abandoned. And April 27th, 1978, St. Mary's, West Virginia, 51 workers killed building a power plant when the construction scaffolding collapsed, dropping them 170 feet. And as fascinating, as interesting as this theory is, there is no historical evidence

that those particular words, that quote, was ever uttered from Chief Cornstalk. However, the rest of the history that we mentioned is true. Where did it come from? Probably people, my guess, people started, tragedies started happening and people are very superstitious

and they know what happened at Point Pleasant. It's probably a very big part of their local history. It's like this tragedy that happened, his name, he has a bunch of monuments, the horrible things that happened to him. I feel like by associating all this stuff, the one you're reading about Cornstalk's history and his past and all the stuff that he was associated with,

I feel like by then associating this supernatural element and his like, I would have revenge from beyond the, I feel like that almost lessens what a badass's dude was. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I thought you were gonna say that his statue was removed and replaced with the fucking mothman statue. The mothman.

I was like, oh no, they didn't. I thought that's where you were legit going with it. Nope, nope. Let's go to the next of our three theories that we're gonna run through today. The next one is, once again, Native American related. One of the more popular ones is that it's a Native American spirit.

Masinga is how you pronounce the spirit's name, Masinga. There have been similarities observed between the point-pleasant mothman and the Shawnee, Lenape, and Muncie tribal legends of the Masinga. The Masinga is the Lenape mask spirit, a sacred medicine spirit who maintains the balance of nature,

appears to Lapine men in dreams and is the focus of certain traditional Lapine religious rituals, specifically the bread dance. The Masinga is usually depicted as a face with the top half colored red and the bottom half black. The Masinga is the protector of all animals. It can take a humanoid form and ride through the forest in the back of a deer, helping respectful hunters

and punishing those who just spoil the forest. If this is true, then perhaps the Masinga was upset by the ammunition bunkers polluting the forest of the TNT area. If you remember, that was an area that was seen a lot of mothman activity and wanted to punish those who he felt responsible. It's like a magical game warden.

Yeah, it's like the game warden of the Native Americans, yeah. Then you got the Whoppy. According to Shawnee legend, a warrior named Whoppy or White Hawk fell in love with the youngest daughter of the star chief when she and her 11 sisters came down to play on earth. So obviously spiritual beings coming down to play with mortal men, something that you see

in a lot of different religions over the course of history. He kept her from returning to the star lands, married her and had a child with her. One day she asked Whoppy if she could return to the star lands to introduce their son to her father. Whoppy seeing her sadness and homesickness said yes. She did not return from the star lands.

Eventually the star chief's daughter asked if there was a way Whoppy could come and live with them in the star lands. The star chief told Whoppy if he could gather a piece of every animal that lived in the forest, he could come live with them in the star lands. Whoppy spent four days gathering bits and pieces of all the animals and brought them

to the people of the star lands. A beautiful Nintendo 64 game. Right, I never even thought of that. Each person took a piece from an animal, became that animal and fled. Whoppy took the feather of the white Hawk and gave another to his wife and a third to his son. They all became Hawks and flew away.

Perhaps it is the half bird, half man spirit of Whoppy coming down from his new home in the star lands to visit his home forest with his wife and his son. No, you can't go home again. This is the third story from a small town. He went to the star lands. He ain't coming home. This is a classic little merms.

This is a classic little merms. And then the final theory that we're gonna cover here and this is a countless, but the final one for this episode is one that we could probably all buy into a little bit more. It's a bird. Believe it, I believe it.

I like the Whoppy story. I believe that, that's my favorite one. Right? I like the Whoppy story to be real. That's like a fucking nice- Right, that's super magical. Yeah, or that's like a Disney animation waiting to happen or something, it's great.

So after hearing the reports in Point Pleasant, Mason County Sheriff George Johnson said the creature was nothing more than a bird known as the shit-a-poke, also known as a shag. The shit-a-poke? Shit-a-poke. Get the fuck out of here. Maybe it's probably shite-poke.

Shite-poke is not better than shit-a-poke. It's a species of- You probably use shite-poke, actually. It's a species of heron. Officials were unable to reconcile this with the- It's more than that. It's called a shit-pok. It's called this shit-pok.

It's the worst version. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, never mind. It is shite-poke. You're right. Shite-poke. Shite-poke. Probably fucking is.

It has a right shite-poke right there. It goes practice that. Yeah, shite-poke. It's the pronunciation. Shite-poke. Shite-poke. Is that the English call, anal? Fats, you've been to the shite-poke.

I got a- Shite-poke. Officials were unable to reconcile this with the claims that the creature was flying at or above 100 miles per hour, however. Others have postulated that the culprit is a sandhill crane, which stands at four feet tall with a wingspan of up to seven feet, which would be pretty close

to the constant 10 feet that people are shouting. It also has a prominent red spot on its head. However, the witnesses maintained that what they saw was not a crane. Others have also postulated that the creature's glowing eyes were nothing more than the large reflective eyes of an owl, specifically the barred and great horned owls.

This theory does not explain the partridge and scarberry and mullet sightings, but considering the sightings went on for the following year, people who have had heard of the creature may be more apt to see reflective eyes and think mystery creature, not the common owl, which is something that we kind of posited in episode one. Like people are gonna freak out

and think it's gonna be a monster because you're panicking, but really it's just. The dark plays tricks on me, man. Can I like blow your mind really quick? I'm ready. Blow it. Okay, so one of the most famous Mothman images, right, is this image right here that I'm going to send to you guys

and ever in the world, it's probably on our chat right here. Boom, done. So in this photo, it's the black and white photo of what appears to be a Mothman flying, like, jumping, right? No! But if you look up a shite poke and you look at the way they fly. Ooh, interesting.

If you look at this image and then you, those things that look like feet, right, if you're looking at it going right to left, if you now look at it going left to right, that is something in the mouth of the shite poke. Oh, interesting. So it's like it has something in its beak and then it's just an old bird with something in its beak

and when that photo was taken, whatever it's in its beak now looks like. Yeah, because your brain is constantly telling you to do it in this picture to focus on the nub because it's the head when you're not even, that's not even a saying. Yeah, the nub is like the butt end of this bird and the part that looks like its weird feet

are actually like a eel or a snake or a fish or something in its mouth. Yeah. That is wild. Oh, that's a cool way. What was that? That's why I'm like looking at, for some reason there's like a lot of pictures

of this bird shitting, but other than that, like. How strange. I'm serious. Yeah, if you look at it fly and you see the way the bird looks when it spreads its wings and then you look at this image, instead of looking at it as a dude, which I think is weird,

why we would see it that way to begin with, as a dude with his arms that are wings, he's like flapping, trying to keep himself away. If you reverse it and its head is actually its butt, then you see the beak and you can see it's bird wings like going back a little bit. Like it makes sense if you see it that way. I kind of see it.

Yeah, me too. Well, we're not gonna end the episode. Well, we're gonna be the end of the episode here, but before we do- We're not ending the episode, but we will be ending the episode. We will be ending the episode, but before we end the episode,

we'll be doing an episode three on Mothman because the fourth explanation is, of course, aliens. God bless. But we're gonna be delving into very one specific potential alien or a small group of about three to five, depending. The creepy smiling man? The creepy smiling man

that people have been yelling about since episode one. Don't worry, we were gonna cover him, but he deserves an episode on his own, a man by the name of Indrid Cold. If you don't know who Indrid Cold is, I'd just say, wait, don't do too much research. We're gonna go into Indrid Cold and his alien and extraterrestrial origins

and why he might be the Mothman if he's real and what he is all about. Hopefully, if he's real, good intentions, not bad. But that'll be Mothman part three when we get back from CoxCon because, hey, we'll be at CoxCon by the time you're, well, this is going up today. We're gonna be doing a live episode over at CoxCon

at 10 a.m. on Sunday, I believe, is what it is. If you're there, come get a ticket if we haven't sold out by now and come watch the show. Also, if you are like, hey, you guys have been talking about Mothman and I'm sure there's a million different versions of Mothman, what is the best version of Mothman?

Shimigami Tensei, Tensei, whatever it is. Shimigami Tensei? Mothman, mm-hmm, look up, look up that Mothman and just appreciate that it's the best version. It is the best version of Mothman, period. He's so happy. He's so cute. Oh, my God.

I want this one to be the real one. Right? Like, hi, everybody. Mothkidz. He's adorable. Yep, that's the Mothman right there. Deformed Mothman. Well, he's cute as heck.

He's cute as heck. Well, thanks for listening, everybody. The next episode will be episode 30, Mothman part three. Until then, you can always reach out to us on Twitter, as always, for a Chilluminati podcast directly. It's at ChilluminatiPod for myself. It's at Mathis Games for Jesse. It's at Jesse Cox for Alex.

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We got hats. We got stickers all the time. I'm so good. Holy shit. So good. I will be wearing the hat during the podcast live at Coxcon. So I want to see your Chilluminati merch

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