Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 3 - Hollow Moon Theory - Science VS Stupid

Episode Date: March 5, 2018

Mike, Jesse and Alex look at the Moon REALLY close to see if it's real. Spoilers, it is. Soundcloud - https://soundcloud.com/chilluminatipodcast Subreddit - https://www.reddit.com/r/ChilluminatiPod/ Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/Thenationaldex Judge Mathas - http://www.youtube.com/judgemathasgames

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TriVolt is a restricted-use pesticide. Consult your state pesticide regulator for specific restrictions. Read and follow pesticide label directions. Music Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Chiluminati Podcast, episode three. Um, this is gonna be a doozy of an episode one where, um, that you need to leave sanity at the door and move into, um, I guess, I don't know, you don't put your insane pants on, put your conspiracy tinfoil hats on, like, just get ready to laugh as a...

I feel like you're not taking this seriously, man. Oh, I'm so sorry. Listen, dude, you be me, and you research hollow moon for two weeks, and read the shit I had to read. And listen to the YouTube videos I had to listen to. Are you saying you don't, are you saying you don't believe this? I am saying that anyone who does clearly has way too much time on their hand and was laid off from their job, like, three years ago. They're just willing, they're just willing to disregard a lot of real information that's out there.

It is. I just, I think it's interesting that, go back to episode one. I like something about this that's so much hope and joy, they're just like, I want to, I want to experience all these cool theories, and now they're like, yes, crazy people. Yo, you're going to find, as we go through this, though, that there are the ones that you're like, going to leave you questioning. Yes.

I've yet to see it. I'm telling you, man. I'm ready for it, but I've yet to see it. I am a UFO nut bag, and I love aliens and abduction scenarios and all that stuff, but there's, even for me, there is a line, and that line comes from, like, hollow moon theory, because of how much science there is behind the moon, and how much, how easy it is to look at these things. Yeah, but can you, but can you trust science? Can you trust scientists?

Everybody. Scientific theories are just things that haven't been disproven yet, man. Can you, can you trust the academic consensus of everyone on the globe? That, well, that, that's the thing. I think that the crux of the matter is that the more you look into this, the more it's, this and many other theories and things like that, the more you look into it, it's like, do you trust science? And if there's like a little doubt in you about science and math and, like, the combination

of the two equaling, like, no, the moon definitely isn't hollow, then you can not believe any of that stuff, and you can be like, well, this is just, this is just the government and people trying to lie to us, and here's the thing, the way that conspiracy works is that if there's one lie or one thing disproven, you can say, well, everything else is equally alive, and I think that's where this stuff slips in the cracks, and so once that happens, what do you do? Well, that's the hinge of, of things like hollow moon and hollow earth and all that stuff, and even flat earth, even to a lesser degree, because there's more evidence, like, legitimate whatever, flat earthers are dumb as hell. Anyway, hollow moon theory, they find that hinge where

it's like, well, science doesn't have 100% answer, so all of these theories get crammed into that one little crack where it says science is doing what science does, and they have a theory, but because there's no 100% evidence on it, clearly they're trying to hide the truth from us, and the moon is 90 different things. The one thing I learned in two weeks of researching hollow moon theory is, one, the moon is everything but a moon, and two, aliens are- Is it a Death Star? It's just not a natural, but you got- It's just weird. It's just like a weird, it's weird for it that it's there.

And I listened at one point, and I was telling you that before we started rolling, is that I, at one point, I found myself so far into the YouTube hole, I was listening to a multi-part interview with a reptilian, and by interview, what I mean is, for one reason or another, this particular person, this female reptilian, chose to try and get the truth out, and here's the best part of the interview. First, no photo or video evidence was allowed to be taken because of her, she needed her identity kept secret. However, they weren't allowed to record her vocals, so all of it was text, and all of the text was being read back to me via those text to speech bots that people use. Like a Stephen Hawking voice?

Yeah, but one of the female and then the male, so they'd go back and forth, of him asking in text to speech, and then the female text to speech. And the best part is though, during the interview, the reptilian's like, I'm giving you this information because I want the truth out there, but in the same like breath, she was also like, I don't want evidence of my voice or photos or videos of me out there, so it's like, I want all of you to believe this, but at the same time, I don't really want you all to believe it. Well, her coworkers are gonna eat her. Right. I mean, yeah, that's how reptilian's work. No, but this is the BS of paranormal and this sort of like diving deep into what's out

there, and this is the BS of it, and the fact that while people can say, oh, well, science is crap, and there's real truth, and you can look at this exact same stuff and be like, I see what you're doing as a stunt to get attention. Right. And what you're doing is BS. And so it's equally dumb. I just, it's so frustrating that people can say, well, because this one scientist did something wrong, all sciences is bad. Right. Meanwhile, the vast, vast majority of speculative paranormal activity stuff or crazy like interdimensional, whatever is all BS. Like it's all BS created by people who are just seeking attention. Yeah. And that's like the most likely thing. Certainly, there could be a .0001% that are real. But I don't believe that you should then be like, well,

I mean, most of it could be real then. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of the thing that is interesting about this subject versus the other two that we've done so far, which is that like, so Amityville, right? Like everybody knows it's fake, but like there's been movies, like the legend is known. You know what I mean? Everybody like knows the deal. The Navajo thing is like, you know, skin walkers, you know, on the one hand, like they're fringe as like a cryptid, but as like a thing, like there's an entire, you know, nation of people out there who like know this. And like there's a lot of like different people saying stuff about it. This is all like fringe. Like this is all people who are like all together sort of like misinterpreting

the whole basis of like the scientific method, which is like just desperate to show that the government is lying about everything. Yeah. Which is one of the problem is it's like a trust thing. Right. It's it's once you believe you can't trust the government a little bit wrong. Yeah. Everything is wrong. And at that point, you know that that can't possibly be true. Right. Like the government can't be working all the time to sit like hell, the government can't work. Most of the time it's like can't be working all the time to like cover up some dastardly evil thing. Certainly there are things the government doesn't want you to know. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. Of course, that's the truth. But the government literally being like, we're going to cover up the fact that the

moon is hollow is insane. Why? I'm sorry if like this is the thing you believe, but I just can't, I can't buy it. No, I don't want to be that guy to say this is nonsense. This is nonsense. As a UFO enthusiast and one who who really loves the idea of aliens and truly does believe that aliens are out there where they I don't know where they come from or any of that stuff. But the thing with UFO enthusiasts is that we are our own worst enemy. They are there are so many. Most UFO enthusiasts out there are so willing to believe anything that shit like this hollow moon and aliens living on it. It gains traction when it shouldn't because nobody's willing to do the research or like look at science and in like, okay, well, this can't be real. They want to believe in aliens so bad

that anything that comes by their table, they're like, it must I mean aliens. Well, you know what, you know what to be devil's advocate on that. My dad is like kind of like an armchair theorist. Like he I get the sense that he doesn't really like subscribe to it so much as he just like enjoys the journey, you know, but he'll do a lot of like reading and stuff like that. And he found some like declassified documents that were that were released maybe like six or seven years ago or something like that that we're talking about a think tank that was brought together by the government to to to with the mission of breaking the news of something like aliens like something like completely paradigm changing, you know, like how to tell the people without like us all

killing ourselves or something, you know, and the way that they said to do it, the way the method that they determined was to like first introduce the concept as a fake thing. And so we so we kind of digest it and introduce it like in like movies and just like into culture and then to like, like drip feed the conspiracy theories until there's like a mythology around the thing. So now this this this is something that I've that I've read a lot about as well. And I think that logically this is totally if I was a secret government organization, this is totally how I would do it. Yeah. But I think it plays into the more fringe elements of society in that, for example, let's say you just really don't like the gay community, right? Then you can say step one,

they had Will and Grace on TV and everyone accepted Will and Grace step two, and you can like go from that timeline of like, Oh, and now they're trying to make the frogs gay. And I feel like yeah, that yeah, it's like, it's a crazy certainly that I think what this entire show and what everything that we're talking about proves is that you can take a concept that has the foundation of being like, Oh, I can see how that'd be true. And then go to the nth degree with it and blow it out because that one aspect of it might be true. This has to be true. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a fallacy you see all the time amount of evidence of there being some sort of extraterrestrial like contact with Earth is much more like documented and convincing though,

then I agree, then a lot of those. Yeah, I don't want to say like the grays. I don't know that I believe I'm not saying like the grays, the Nord's, whatever the small whites, all that stuff. Yeah, the 13 or 14 races, like I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about like, we have seen UFOs, I think, I don't know if they're alien craft or what they are. But I'm just saying like, there are some accounts that are at least on the, you know, it's like somebody who there's like instrument readings and like weird things like that that are anomalies. And I think that's the key difference here, compared to the moon or compared to reptilians or compared to the frogs that are gay. It'll be interesting because I'm still not entirely certain how I want to tackle

like the first episode we end up doing on aliens and stuff or your UFOs. But there is a ton of stuff from the government that we was recently released within the past few months, as well as people like in the Hudson River sightings, I believe it was called, maybe I was a little off on that, of like hundreds of people who saw this UFO and tons of people recorded it. Or that one in Mexico. Yeah, the Phoenix lights and another great one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there's there's like that'll be fun because that's more credible than something like this. But for today, just just be ready because this this shit is just it is something. Let's get in it. So yeah, we're going to dive in. And before we fully dive in, guys, feel free to thank you,

by the way, we've crossed over 65 star ratings on you on iTunes. So yeah, for that shit, that's amazing. I'm so glad you guys are really, really enjoying what we do here. It's been great. And if you go to our subreddit, there's tons of people who post stories and there's somebody who posted a story about them knowing the people or his parents knowing the people who live in the Amityville house right now. And they're saying that like the people they know say there's no paranormal activity happening in the Amityville. Yo, also, I'm a skeptic. I'm going to put this out there. But if any of you know any sort of alien or bigfoot or lizard person that wants to have sex with me, right? I'm down. I'm down. Crossbreed. He'll be.

I'm just letting you know, you're putting it out there and you're going to get abducted by the grays just because they can get your DNA. I will have sex with all of them. I just, I feel like you want to fuck a beast. I'm open to the experience. Yeah, I'm open to the experience. If you know one, send him. I want to do the ghost. I want to do the ghost sex like Anna Nicole. Like I want to have that experience. Fair, fair. Okay, let's dive into hollow moon. So how we're going to go about this is that polite segue. Yeah, I'm just like, let's get away from that. Let's get it. So the way we're going to do this episode is we're going to talk first. We're going to first talk about the facts and what scientists believe the moon comes from

and in our theories of where the moon comes from. And then we're going to dive into the quote unquote facts of what the moon actually is. So diving into the moon itself, it's very, very, very important to know that we do not actually, including scientists, know where or how the moon came into being. The moon is very much an anomaly. As far as earth is concerned, it's much bigger. Okay, let's, let's really quickly again with, I feel like this is something you mentioned last time and I feel like this relates to everything that we'll probably talk about on this. My personal theory and I think this is another great example is that much like dragons or things of ages past, everything that we're talking

about to me just seems like modern interpretations of what things are that we know nothing about. And so the idea that no one truly knows what's going on with the moon here, opens it up to all the possibility that it's many different things. And so it allows people to create stories and get really crazy with what it could be. And I'm not saying that doing that is wrong. I'm just saying don't make that like real science, right? Right. Don't do that. It's cool to entertain the idea for fun, but it's not something, you know, if you're a future science teacher to start teaching in science class. Sure. Yes, don't do that. Because you'll be fired very quickly. So things to know about the moon. One, like I said, scientists don't actually know where

the moon came from. It is a very much a mystery. This is about four predominant theories that we're going to cover shortly. But things to know is the moon is much bigger than what we as a planet should have. Most moons on other larger planets, like Phobos, for instance, is way smaller for the planet that it has compared to Earth, where our moon is gigantic. It's not as small as it should be. But don't other planets have many moons? A lot of planets have many tiny moons, so that's a little smaller moon compared to what our moon is. I think about Jupiter in versus Earth, and then like how big those moons are compared to the moon. It's pretty similarly sized, which is weird. But can't it then be assumed that we got one instead of many for a number of reasons?

Well, yeah, there are theories, but there's not a consensus is what I'm saying. Yeah, there's no consensus as far as science is concerned as to where the moon has come from. The moon is also like perfectly placed distantly from our Earth to facilitate life. There's theories out there, scientific theories from scientists that say life wouldn't have happened on Earth without our moon. If there was no moon, there just might not have been. Our Earth would be spinning on an axis. Tides, controls, a lot of things. And this, and before we jump into it, because I know it's going to happen, instead of being like, well then aliens place the moon there and it's all part of a could it not just be simple math, that there are billions and billions of planets and we're just

a lucky planet? That is, and I literally was going to be the next thing I was going to say, is while it's highly improbable for it to happen, the universe is more or less infinitely large, to the point where mathematically, as Jesse said, law of large numbers, it's bound to happen. Yeah, we were just one of the lucky ones. Right, and just because we were one of the lucky ones, the fact that it happened, it doesn't mean it was impossible. Yeah. It's just bound to possibly happen eventually. And if it didn't happen to us, it might have happened to a different planet that would have different life, and then they would be speculating about how crazy it is and miraculous it is that they

got a moon and now there's their life wise. I think that's the big key, and I think that would be the huge societal change, is that ignoring all of what we're about to talk about for a moment, the idea that if one day we did meet aliens, it would change society so drastically, because the idea of are we alone, what is our purpose, what is our role, that kind of stuff would be sort of dampen the idea that we are now part of something much, much bigger, and we don't have to search for something here, we can search for it out there. I truly believe that if there is an alien species, or someone that can get to us, the idea of welcoming us into like sort of like galactic federation, federation, god damn it, yeah, galactic federation, then I feel like that would

be something incredible, and it would change society, but it's one of those things that, because we have no knowledge of any of that, everything sort of relates around our little purview of life and our planet, and we don't really think about stuff out there, and so we're always like, why are we so special, what about us is so important, and the reality is not, we're not, chances are we're not, yeah, we're not that particularly special, we're very, very lucky, and there are probably other planets out there that are equally lucky, and I think if we all got together and were like, damn, we're the luckiest ever, then we would like, that would change shit, right, like, oh, well, you're a lucky ass planet, and you're a lucky ass planet,

and like, we are all in this thing called life together, I feel like that would change the concept of reality. Well, unless the Vulcans are just waiting for us to invent warp drive. Right, well, if there is a hyper intelligent species out there that can get to us, there's a chance of looking at us like animals, because we're still way low on the totem pole as far as technology is concerned, but let's go back to the moon. Now, before we get to these theories, there's also something important. In order for a theory to be considered by scientists and in scientific minds of our time, it must first adhere to a few facts. The theory must explain why the moon has a similar composition that resembles the Earth's mantle, why the moon has a

lower density than Earth and lacks an iron core just like Earth has, and why the moon, why the moon, a few vol, while the moon has few volatile substances like water, meaning it quote unquote baked for longer than the Earth did, not allowing it to have those substances on its planetoid or moon. And it has to explain the abundance of oxygen isotopes on both the moon and Earth. If the theory can fit that criteria, it is generally then pursued further and put up as a possible theory as to where the moon came from. So you probably heard some of these theories. The first one is fission theory. This theory says that the moon was once part of Earth and somehow separated from Earth, usually from like the Earth spinning really, really fast that

it got thrown off of the planet. This theory was thought possible since the moon's composition resembles that of Earth's mantle, and a rapidly spinning Earth could have cast the moon off from its outer layers. There's also a giant, I think the Pacific basin is where popular theory says the moon came from, that area is where the moon got flew off. Yeah, basically that's like a giant hole in our planet. Yeah, and I think this is considered to be the most common theory? Another one that's really similar to this that is, and that's the one that I subscribe to as well. Yeah, the one that I think scientists for now is the most popular is the giant impact theory. I'm pretty sure that's where scientists kind of sit now. Then there's the capture theory.

This is the theory that the moon was formed elsewhere from another planet or an asteroid or something and was later captured by the gravitational field of Earth as it flew by for one reason or another. The moon's different chemical composition could be explained if it formed elsewhere in the solar system. However, capture into the moon's present orbit is very improbable because the Earth's gravity is considered too weak to have captured something flying by at any high speed. Something would have had to have slowed it down by just the right amount at just the right time for Earth to actually have captured it. And there are theories out there that it was flying by and then the moon got hit by like an asteroid or something that actually did slow it down to the point where it

was able to be caught by the Earth's gravitational field. But it's very, again, like a lot of these, it's improbable but not impossible. Doesn't really explain the atmosphere or the composition though. Correct. There is really no, but all the main theories going forward, even the first one, there is still cracks in the logic of like, well, if that's the case, how come there's this happening with it specifically? Sure. Like for the first one, the fission theory, if it got spun off Earth, it should have fossilized evidence on the moon and on Earth that the moon was from Earth, but there isn't any of that. Right. So, you know, it's a little iffy but not impossible. And I think a lot of people, I don't know if this is one of the theories that you have,

but a lot of people also talk about the fact that the asteroid belt surrounding Mars, Earth, Mercury and Venus and the Sun, that huge asteroid belt that separates us from the rest of the solar system. People always think that that was probably maybe an early planet and that could have something. Like, who knows? Who knows what that could have exploded and like a piece of the moon flew over. Yes, it may be during early formation, it just wasn't stable enough. That's the capture theory again though, kind of, yeah. Yeah, it kind of comes in the same area as the capture theory. Yeah. Then there's the condensation theory. This theory says that the moon and Earth condensed individually from the nebula that eventually formed the solar system with the moon formed in

orbit already around the Earth. However, this, if the moon formed in the vicinity of the Earth, it should have nearly the same composition. Specifically, rather, it should also possess a significant iron core, but it does not. So, you know, there's those cracks of like, well, if it should, it should have these properties, but it doesn't. But again, it's not impossible because we will never really know what was going on during that time. How do we know that there's not a molten iron core to the moon? Because of the scientists did some, we're going to get to that with some of these weirder theories. Scientists did some seismographic readings of the moon and the moonquakes and the way it reacts to certain things doesn't make sense if it had an iron core.

Man, I just realized in this, oh boy, I was just thinking about this about, okay, yeah, well, clearly when people were on the moon running tests, I just realized if you don't believe that we were ever on the moon, then you don't, then of course you're not going to be possible. And that comes right into play with half of these theories is people don't believe we've actually been on the moon and it was all up hoax. We'll get to it. We gotta watch Room 237 next time we're all together. Well, Paxies is coming up, Sam. Let's do it. All right. And then the last theory, the one that is generally kind of the dominating theory, at least right now, is the giant impact theory. This makes sense to me. This theory, yeah, me too. This theory

proposes that a planet, a planetesimal or small planet, the size of Mars struck Earth just after the formation of the solar system. I feel like this could be the asteroid field, right? Yeah, this could also be if there was, yeah, yeah, exactly. This, this happened just after the formation of the solar system, ejecting large volumes of heat material from the outer layers of both objects. A disk of orbiting material was then formed. And this matter eventually stuck together to form the moon in orbit around the Earth. This theory can explain why the moon is made mostly of rock and how the rock was excessively heated. Boom. Furthermore, we see, furthermore, we see evidence in many places in the solar system that such collisions were common

late in the formative stage of the actual solar system. Which makes sense now that I think about it. Like if you ever stir like a cup of powdered hot chocolate or something where it like congeals the top for a bit, it like, yeah, you can like actually watch that happen. Yeah. Yeah, this theory is the most dominant right now among scientists. However, the question remains why both the Earth and the moon don't have materials that would be found from wherever the moon originally came from. But again, it's a there's every theory is going to have cracks because we'll never fully understand where the moon came from. But that theory also is the one kind of I ascribe to just because when the Earth was formed, as far as we know, and scientists say the Earth was spinning

not on a tilted axis like we have now and was spinning very, very, very fast about once every two hours was a full rotation spin around. So the fact that something came and collided with the Earth knocked it off of its straight axis and tilted it and slowed the Earth down makes the most sense. Also, I think what's crazy to me is that people forget how genuinely old the Earth is. Yeah. And again, I think this goes back to the idea of us being so self centered on humanity and like where do we come from and what like we're if you ever look at that timeline, we're always that little tiny fraction at the end of the Earth timeline. And I feel like even the question here of about the elements or materials found from other maybe we just take for like we take for

my brain just died. We just assume that some isotope or something it has always been on Earth. But how do we know it isn't from somewhere else? Right? Because the Earth has been here for so long how do we know that's that's actually like a lot of the thoughts I have. And I'm curious of scientists because I, you know, wasn't able to find all the scientific papers and get through like every freaking scientific explanation there is. But I am curious if that's something they've proposed in the past like, hey, it's on Earth because this freaking thing smashed into Earth while it formed and gave us this particular element or whatever. It has to do with concentration, I think, you know, there's a lot more oxygen on the moon than there. I mean, on Earth and there

is on the moon. And so that's why people think the way to think about it. I think that's also because the different forms of life. Yeah, things that produce oxygen on Earth versus the moon. And there's been so much time that it's maybe it's formed ecocyst like I just billions and billions and billions of years. Like, yeah, I just I think that for some reason, most non scientists, I feel like a lot of scientists can see through the BS, but if you don't like most non scientists, just think about the last several thousand years and assume that, oh, well, that gives us enough information. But it doesn't because the Earth has been here for so long. And we're just a small fraction of it. Yeah, I also I also read a I forget what I read it. I was in like a science

magazine. I forget what I where I read it at exactly. I was like, in an airport or something one time reading it. But that it's kind of like a mix of some of the theories that kind of explain some of those inconsistencies a little better. Like, imagine we had a moon forming around our planet already at one point, and then something came and like smacked Earth. Or there was a huge like explosion that like, like a like a, you know, Geo geological like volcanic type explosion that like blew a bunch of shit out into space or like something hit us. And then like almost like how ice in like running water, like naturally running water forms when like one single piece of dust like disrupts the water and it like forms ice around it and starts like

building like, yeah, basically like the moon had like a little center and Earth was like already pretty done. And then something smacked Earth through a bunch of Earth into space and a bunch of it like glommed onto the moon. And now we have like a bigger moon than we should. So kind of like a giant impact theory mixed with condensation. Exactly. Exactly. That's I was reading something about that. And to me, that's like, Tiobo on it. That's like a solid explanation. Well, the thing is like, there's too much evidence to show that these other theories that people are throwing out there are just not correct. But if they were not total falsehoods. Yeah, as I say, all that stuff I told you, it's a bullshit throw it out the window. That's not the truth. Well, scientists

have a don't have a definite answer as to where the moon came from, then clearly they are lying to us about it. And here is some of the real truth out there. So first one I want to tackle in one of the silliest ones is I love this. I love this is that the moon isn't actually a moon. It's a hologram. There is no moon up there. We don't have a moon not only has humanity not actually been to the moon, but the moon is a hologram being projected into the sky by a secret government alliance to disguise an eye secret hidden military space bases that oversee the earth's actions in countries. In fact, YouTuber Crow 777, who also believes that we have not been to the moon and believes pretty much everything is a conspiracy theory, including like 9 11 and all that stuff making

jokes about old B movies in yep, yep, yep. He's been filming. This is the greatest thing in the world. He has videos go watch them. He has been filming the moon for over a year and recorded what he calls quote unquote, lunar waves, which show the moon ripple as though it is just a digital projecting a projection being projected into the sky. And he actually does have a video of these lunar waves that are being projected and you can see if you go look for them. You can see the moon do a weird like digital ripple and it's very interesting. Do you buy it? Not even a little bit because it could be just his camera functioning. Hold on. Hold on again. Again. This goes back to the egocentric world view of man. Like, okay, sure. Imagine the moon is a hologram. Yeah.

Then in recorded history, every mention of the moon, there's been a hologram. It doesn't. It's nonsense. Well, okay. You got to also keep in mind recorded history only started talking about the moon a few thousand years ago at this point. Yeah. The moon kind of showed up, dude, who even controls that shit? Who could be before they maybe shake before they start talking about the moon. Oh, you're so full of shit before they start talking about the moon. It was a giant sky egg. Right. Literally, it does like, but the moon was over the lunar cycles were already there. They literally, there are religions based off mother moon. It's insane to say all falsified information. The government is feeding it to us to confuse us.

Are you saying that every, every government around the world has gotten together and been like, the one thing we're really going to screw with people on is we're going to make up a moon? The alien base. Really? Because we have a secret base. Yep. It's nonsense. That's nonsense. Out of all the theories, this is the most insane. That's why I want to say the front. No, no, incorrect. This is not the most insane. There is a theory I'm going to talk about later that I actually forgot to put on the outline, but don't worry. This is not the most insane. That's the most exciting part. It is insane. It's not on the outline because now I'm ready to just get surprised. Yeah, it's a surprise. He claims that the digital waves he recorded are glitches in the hologram

mistake. Moreover, he also says that he himself has been contacted by multiple individuals who are privy. No, he hasn't. No, no, privy to the truth. He has told him that he is in fact correct about his theory. However, it didn't happen. It didn't happen. However, there are records in such predating any sort of holographic technology saying that the moon is there. These these folks have however claimed that these records are falsified and that they're not real. This is the real fake news. This is not real. His setup. It's amazing. His setup to record the moon because he records it every night is a digital camera, more or less duct taped to a telescope. It is amazing. He's looking through the telescope with the camera. No, he's looking at the camera that's

looking. Oh, he uses the telescope to record the moon. It's amazing. It's an incredible I love how he says he's been contacted by people who are privy to the truth and not just people who are trolling the shit out of him because they saw his videos. Oh, yeah, I'm about to be contacted by a lot of people who tell me I'm wrong. Yeah, but I'm not going to make a vlog like guys. I was mistaken. What's under the hologram? No, nothing. According to this theory, but there's another hologram theory that is we're going to talk about here is that the moon actually does exist. But there's a hologram being projected over the actual moon. And this hologram is hiding anything from Russian space bases to other government secrets to straight up alien structures on the

moon itself that the government knows about and wishes to keep hidden. So people do not panic on earth. I feel like people don't understand how holograms work. No, they saw. Listen, they saw Star Trek Star Trek and Star Wars where I feel like people don't understand how holograms. That's not how holograms work. It's just it's not like holographic technology. That's not how that works. That's not how this works. I don't know. I feel like that woman. I feel like that woman in that Geico commercial. It's like, that's not how this works. This works. Where I'm at right now. Answer me this then, Jesse. How did Tupac play Coachella? You got me. You got me. To be fair, I'm not saying you're crazy, but to be fair,

technology that government has is typically five to 10 years before the consumers have it. Like there was there's like records of touchscreen technology existing well before iPhone was ever even like a murmur in the public. So like there is technology that the government probably has, whether it's holographic technology or not. That's not really paradigm shifting the way that like being able to create fake solid structures is. Right. Yeah. No, no. I'm just throwing that out there. But it's just, it's the easiest one to laugh at because it's the easiest one to like say you can't prove I'm wrong. Cleopatra invented holograms. Cleopatra, she did it. She invented holograms thousands of years ago. That's my new thing. I'm down to

talk about speaking of each. I'm down to talk about like Egyptian light bulbs. Those things are awesome looking and possibly real. That I almost believe it. Cleopatra hologram theory. Yeah. Cleopatra was a hologram. She was a reptilian, but her hologram projection over her was he masked her, masked her scaly skin and forked tongue. Egypt is also entangled in crazy UFO theories. I'm sure you all know, but that stuff's cool. Like I, yeah, it's even though I don't believe most of it. I think it's fascinating and super. And you know what, before, before anybody like comes at us and like shits on us for like ridiculing people who believe these things, like come at me with some like evidence. I'm open to anything. You know what I mean?

And the fucking lunar wave video is not evidence. That's evidence of your camera being duct taped to a telescope and like having a smite minor glitch. Hold something up next to the moon that's in the foreground that doesn't ripple. You know what I mean? Then I'll, then I'll, then I'll start to, then I'll start to listen a little bit more. It's good stuff, but that's the easiest one to be like, that's hilarious, but that's incorrect. Then we start getting into stuff that certain scientists proposed maybe in the 60s and 70s. And that is that the, the moon is actually a spaceship of some sort. If the moon hadn't been precisely where it is, it's possible that no life on earth would have ever existed. Perhaps the moon was placed there on purpose. In 1970, in 1970, Michael

Vasen and Alexander Sherbakov of what was then the Soviet Academy of Sciences advanced a hypothesis that the moon is a spaceship created by unknown beings. The article was entitled, is the moon the creation of alien intelligence? And it was published in Sputnik, which was the Soviet equivalent of Reader's Digest at the time. It was just called Sputnik? Yeah, it was just called Sputnik. All right. Their hypothesis relies heavily on the suggestion that large lunar craters generally assumed to be formed by meteor impact are generally too shallow and have flat or even convex bottoms. They hypothesized that small meteors are making a cup shaped depression in the rocky surface of the moon, while larger meteors are drilling through a rocky layer and

hitting an armored hull underneath. The author's reference earlier speculation by astrophysicist Iosif Shklovskiy, I just apologize for butchering any Russian name. It's like Yosif. Yosif. Yosif Shklovskiy. Yeah, the last name I got, that's, you're on your own. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Who suggested that the Martian moon Phobos was an artificial satellite in hollow and perhaps even a precursor to what eventually would be the actual moon for earth. This has since been shown to not be the case, of course. Skeptical author Jason Callavito points out that all of their evidence is circumstantial. And then in the 1960s, the atheistic Soviet Union promoted the ancient astronaut concept in an attempt to undermine the West's faith in religion. Like a calculated one?

Yeah, basically like this might have been a big thing that they're pushing to destabilize the West in some court. A little collusion going on? A little collusion between the Russians? Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Russia trying to destabilize the West? I know, even in the 60s and 70s, like let's not go crazy. That's a little conspiracy theory though. I mean, come on guys, come on. A little crazy. A little insane. However- Wait, time out, time out, time out! Speaking of which, how come this shit can be real but Russia colluding with the government cannot be real? Fake news. Yeah, fake news. I literally can't, sometimes I just want to just punch the air. I just want to punch the air with rage. You can do it. We can pick and choose

our conspiracy theories. If you believe in one, you got to believe in them all. That's fact. I'm just saying man, fake news. Government, why would they meddle in our government when they could be meddling with aliens instead? That's how I feel. I would meddle with the fuck out of aliens. So to further this hypothesis, however, because obviously people still believe that this is true, between 1972 and 1977, seismometers, I guess is what you call them, installed on the moon by the Apollo missions, recorded moonquakes, and the moon was described as ringing like a bell during some of those moonquakes, specifically the shallow ones. This phrase was brought to popular attention in March of 1970 in an article on popular science. When Apollo 12 deliberately crashed the ascent

stage of its lunar module onto the moon's surface, it was claimed that the moon rang like a bell for over an hour, leading to arguments that it must be hollow like a bell. Aren't there audio recordings of Apollo 12? There must be out there. I was too busy listening to reptilian interviews. I want to hear this fucking moon ring. Right. I would, yeah, I would love to, like that stuff's fascinating. I'd love to know what it sounded like, and then I'd love to know what the theories are. I think that's interesting. Like that alone would be a great episode, right? Yeah, I agree. Just digging into that would be fascinating because while most of this I think is BS, this is a thing that happened and so we can listen to it and try to figure out what it means. It's like the Taos. It's like the

Taos Hum or something, you know? Right. Yeah. Like it did, like it ringing like a bell did happen. Like that is something that does happen when it gets smacked. And that's where a lot of this whole like the moon is a spaceship or some sort of thing. That's fucking weird. That's weird as hell. Yes. That's fascinating. That I think that deserves further study because that's an interesting thing that we have evidence of something. It isn't just like crackpot theories. We have evidence of a thing and I think that's interesting. So they actually did do a little bit further study when that happened and lunar seismology experiments since then have shown that the lunar body has shallow moon quakes that act differently from quakes here on earth due to differences in texture, type and density of

the planetary strata, but there is no evidence of any large empty space inside the body. Generally saying like the reason it's ringing like a bell is because the moon is made up of way different stuff than the earth and the core of it is not iron like ours is. So it's going to act differently and the quakes are generally created by the tides on earth and the gravity difference between earth and the moon. These moon quakes are not caused by tectonic plate shift mints like they would be on earth. Oh god, I'm sorry. No plates on the moon. Is that what's up? I think there are, but I don't think they act like they do on earth. It's just a composition. Right. And now I'm going to get fringy here. Then why use the phrase rang like a bell? Because bells sound the way they sound

because of the fact that there's like a bomb. There's like nothing in it and there's a little ball. It can be, it can do with their molecular like like like a like a tuning fork, for example. Like if you smack that thing, it's not hollow. It's just like the shape of it makes it go like but the reason why it's heard is because there's enough room for the sound vibrations. Right. If the moon was a solid mound of mantle dirt or mantle ore, it wouldn't, it would hear like a noise, but it wouldn't be a bell noise. I see that. I want to hear the fucking noise. I love to figure out. Yeah, I love to figure out. That was crazy. Like an hour. Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. Said over an hour. And that's because there'd be a muffle, right? It'd be muffled if it was a solid object.

Depends on how loud it is and why it was ringing. It could be a million different things. Like there's these rocks. And then space, there's no sound in space. So like, look, was it sound waves? I literally don't know. The moon has an atmosphere. The moon has an atmosphere so sound could travel. But like the thing that's crazy to me is like there's nothing that makes a sound like that. Like that's natural. Like except for these like rocks that are somewhere in America, I think, where if you like hit them, they like, they like make a weird like long sound. And now this is fascinating. This, if there were YouTube videos of someone going into depth on this, which I'm sure there are now have to find them. This I think is fascinating. Well, it's much more

interesting. And I want to say credible to have a crazy theory about this stuff, than it is to be like, it's a hologram. Right. Well, I agree. It's fascinating. But I mean, like to go further that, you know, it's not necessarily on the outline I give you, but I have it here is basically what they scientists say is that there's four different types of moonquakes on the moon. And they're generally caused by, you know, solar, the sun, the sun causing moonquakes, tides on earth causing moonquakes, impacting meteors. And the fourth kind is a shallow moonquake occurring roughly a couple of tens of miles below the actual surface, which is the one that causes it to ring like a bell. And what they say is the reason it rings,

it all comes down to water. On earth, when there's an earthquake, generally like the water in the surface deaden the vibrations very, very quickly on earth. So we don't really hear anything. As energy from an earthquake moves through our planet, that damp material acts like a sponge, absorbing the energy of the waves and ultimately deadening their effects. The water melon. But the moon is, right. But the moon is dry, cool and rigid, more like a solid rock than a sponge. So even if a moonquake is less intense, there's nothing to deaden those vibrations around the moon itself. They just go back and forth through the body until the solid stone eventually stops them. The, the ringing bell is the shock waves reverberating through that stone. It still seems

just super jarring to me that it's like, that's, that's the NASA explanation as to why it rings like a bell. That's just, that is just, I just, that is so shocked. Like I look at the moon and I'm thinking like, if you smack it, it just goes like, like that's crazy. That's insane. Yeah, it's cool. But I mean, like they do have like what they believe is the reason it rings like a bell. So that's a, you know, that's it. But I mean, we could go again, that's another thing you could just dive into. I'm sure for hours and hours and hours, but that's like a quick, that's like a two paragraph NASA explanation as to why it rings like a bell. Do you believe that, Jesse? Or do you still think there's more to it? I mean, do I believe that it's hollow?

No, no, no. Do you believe it's like a bell? No, the reason it rings like a bell is because there's no, it doesn't have anything sponge like material to stop the vibrations from happening. Yeah, no. Like I said, I think that information is something I would love to learn more about. I'm not sure what it means. I would never dare be like, ah, this is what it all means. There's just so few solid objects on earth that have that property that it's hard for me to swallow. Right. Yes, absolutely. And so because of our experience on earth being like, well, if it makes that noise or has that reverberation, it's because it's hollow and there's enough room for the sound waves to bounce back and forth. And I think that following that path is super

interesting, but I don't know that it means there's aliens. I feel like there's the one step forward that people keep taking that, ah, yes, there must be something even more sinister. If they, if you came to me and said the hollow earth, or the hollow moon theory is that the moon is hollow, and that's why it makes these sounds and that's why this, but that was it. It just was a hollow object. Then I'd be like, okay, I might be able to believe that. But because everyone then takes it to the next step of like, well, then inside is where the greys live. And they've been monitoring us since like, oof, I don't, okay, no, I'm out. So is there any, is there any speculation about the actual nature of this spaceship? Yes, there are so many. We'll get to those right now.

So one of the theories is that the moon is actually a generational spaceship. Like Titan A.E.? So yeah, like Titan A.E., like a spaceship that's sent out to explore the stars, or maybe even sent to earth specifically. But those who are on the spaceship when it launched are not those who are going to see its final destination. It's their generation after generation of their children and stuff. Like an ark. And that lives inside it, that will, yeah, like an ark that is going to see the things. And the reason the moon is so big, and as for a spaceship, is because they need to pack it with things, right? They need to pack it with food and things to live

in all this other stuff, as well as thousands of aliens sent out by that planet as a quote-unquote moving colony filled with hyperintelligent alien species. This moving colony was sent out to either explore the stars or find a new planet. And some of that, the reason- So wait, are we supposed to be the descendants of this moving colony? Well, there's two theories. There is, well, there's more than two theories, but you can boil it down to two theories. One, the moon is a generational spaceship or a spaceship filled with aliens, not necessarily generational, that was here to seed life on earth. And that we may be descendants of that particular alien species theory. Yeah. Yeah, like that kind of thing. Or-

That's neat. I don't believe it, but that's neat. I think that's cool. There's also theories, though, that like aliens came by and scooped up monkeys and then ran away for a few years and then came back with what would eventually be cavemen. And like they hype, like they hyper-advanced evolution for us by like a good chunk and then put cavemen back on earth. And very like, that reminds me of Spore in a lot of ways. Yeah, it really is. Well, yeah. And I think because we have no- Everyone keeps looking for the missing link, right? Yeah, the quote-unquote missing link, yeah.

Yeah, and because there is no such thing, I think up until the point we discover something, anything's game. I think it's neat being like, and then aliens came along, you know what? We're gonna mess with this planet. That's a fascinating story, but I think everything's a story and everything's a theory now because there's no evidence of what the transition was. It just sort of happened. And I guess we could say over millions of years, these apes became men, but no one knows the process of how that happened. It's just such a big thing to speculate about without any sort of like justification. Evidence.

Yeah. Oh, well this clearly, yeah, but I think it adds to the many, many, many theories out there. I don't believe it, but I think until we have evidence that says this is exactly what happened, everything is game on this, I like the idea of just being like, yeah, we're kind of like space children. I think that's neat. I don't believe it, but I think it's neat. It's a fun sci-fi. There's like going down that particular hole just for a second, like that's in a lot of the interview with the reptilian that I listened to, which is 99.9% bullshit in the first place. The reptilian says that their aliens, while they were already a civilized species here on earth,

that's when another alien race came down, you know, kidnapped a bunch of monkeys, came back many years later, gave cavemen, and cavemen worshipped the reptilians for a long time as gods until eventually the reptilians had a fight with that particular alien race that came in fast forwarded our evolution. And then that particular alien species has been missing for thousands of years ever since that particular fight. The more I think about all this, the more I'm like, okay, this goes back to the human centric view of life, right? Like, aliens came and made us because we're special. We're like the one range of species. Yeah, like, or, or the people who are like, well,

earth is sort of an intergalactic zoo. And it's like, okay, but that just makes us, everything about us needs to make us special. I think the idea that most people can't accept that either one, we're a crazy fluke in the universe, or two, there's other worlds like ours, and it's not that special in the grand scheme of things. I think people refuse to think that because then it makes our existence like pointless. And that scares people. I think that frightens people to death. And so like, well, we have to be important for some reason, because again, it goes back to why are we here? And I think the idea of aliens did this. It's fascinating. And it's interesting to think about, but how like, how likely is that? Just how likely is anything else, man?

You just got to open your mind to possibilities. Even if, even if I, I agreed with the idea that life was seeded on earth by an alien race, I still think you would be insane to think that the aliens only seeded earth and they didn't seed other planets and that we are just an experiment of theirs or something. We're not special in that we're just like, they figured out the technology. Also, why wouldn't they come back? If we're an experiment, you check in on experiments. Well, that's, that's where the abduction scenarios come in. They take us. But why would you, why would you only duck people on back roads? If you are an alien, if you are

literally like, if you are a scientist and you're in conducting the experiment, you don't like, sneak up on parts of the experiment, like, I'm only going to mess with this one little part. No, no, no, no. See, there's a reason because the aliens get out of reality. No, no, no. There's a reason, man. If you will get there one day, dude, I'm going to fucking love those episodes. But the reason is the aliens have a pact with the governments of the world where they give technology to humanity. And in turn, they must, they, they're allowed to abduct X number of humans per year. That doesn't make any sense. The governments of the world are fluctuate so much. There's no way that you can tell me. No, no, no, no, no. Not those. It's,

it's the majestic. Oh my God. Wait, are you talking about the Illuminati? The Illuminati? Well, they're sometimes called the Illuminati. They're called the majestic, maybe the majestic 12, the New World Order. I can't even, I can't even. The men in black. Listen, there is actual evidence out there that we're going to talk about declassified government documents that do talk about different secret government branches that deal with things that are not known to us. That exists. And I'm, that exists, man. I'm telling you right now. There are secret government branches out there that exist and we have the documents to prove they exist. Do we have the documents to prove they talk to aliens? Nope. Not yet, but maybe one day. But like there are

documents of the majestic. All right. All right. We'll get there. We'll get there one day. Anyway, back to the moon. The moon could also just be an observatory set up by aliens to watch over, watch us and kind of watch how we act with things. The Disneyland. That's like the, like where the guests show up at the wild animal park. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's also the idea that on the moon itself, there are actually alien structures on the far side of the moon that can't be seen. That's maybe where Gray's and actually look at the far side of the moon. No, I have no, no, the moon doesn't, the moon doesn't turn. Yeah. It doesn't rotate. So you, right, right. You can't really see it, but we don't know what's on the other side.

We couldn't put a satellite. There's no light. Like you can't see it. Like there's no light. Let's get, it's, I, there are, there are scans of it that have been made, but the, the accuracy that we can do it without like putting something there and like mapping it or like shining a big ass light on it. It's like pretty tough. We can maybe do like a topographical thing from like a distance, but it's just a, it's a totally different zone of the moon. All right. So that's where that comes from. And to add credence to the idea that there might be aliens on the moon's surface, not necessarily in the moon, but on the moon's surface is actually Neil Armstrong. He came out after retiring saying that he believed,

and this is all on record. You can go listen to him say it and all kinds of stuff. He believes that while he was on the moon, they were being tracked by moving lights and believes in alien contact, just like Buzz Aldrin. There are so many fucking astronauts that are like, yeah, they're aliens. It's crazy. Yeah. Neil, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Edgar Mitchell all say that they believe that they were being tracked, that there was aliens just around the corner. Neil Armstrong was afraid to bring it up because he was afraid to be like, yell that or told he's insane, but has said that they believed the whole time they were being there, they were being watched and tracked and came out without, after he retired.

Two things. I'm just going to put this out there. One, the least likely of the two. One, I feel like if you think at, I don't know, Star Trek First Contact, for example, where it's like, once you do something major, a major step, then maybe an alien species would be like, oh, this is interesting. That's one. I don't necessarily believe that. Two, the one I'm more likely to believe. And I feel like this is something all humans can relate to. If you're ever alone, if you're ever in the dark, if you're ever in a space that you think is, it's unnatural and you were worried, you start to think things are happening around you because you're getting all worked up. And I feel like if you're on the moon in a space suit, that's all that is. Yeah,

you would literally be so stressed that you might see the most isolated people ever. Yeah. Yeah. Just to feed into that second point, like I spent many, many late nights this week reading about aliens and watching videos about aliens. And the amount of times I swear I saw something out my window at like three in the morning, just a turn to see nothing there, were countless. And the amount of alien abduction dreams I had this week are higher than I've ever had. But yeah, you're right. Like I was alone in the dark watching and reading about aliens. And I like would start, swear to God, I'd see something out my window. But there was literally Yeah, but counterpoint though, like Houston to spaceship communications of people being like,

yeah, the identified craft is outside of our window. We're tracking it on our radar XYZ, yada, yada, yada. Like what the fuck is that though? Well, those exist. Yes, those exist as well. What was your first point, Jesse? Because there was something I wanted to say. Oh, no, it was the exact opposite. It was the whole thing of like, if we hit a milestone, and there are aliens out there, of course, they're going to show up and be like, oh, they're walking on the moon now. You actually saying that actually reminded me that there is like, if you look at alien abduction scenarios, while they do exist before the 50s and the 40s, they're a lot more rare. They start to pick up shortly after we learn how to split the atom.

And like, but they start to pick up shortly after we start popularizing the idea of very true. Yes, also very true. But the theory is a theory that aliens started showing up more once we as a species learn to split the atom and cause basically nuclear destruction, harness the power of the atom here on earth. That's when aliens started showing up and taking a little bit more interest or like time. And again, that's when that's when pop culture started taking interest in aliens. Yep. And so the minute it became popular, people were like, I saw an alien. I think that's just something that continuously happens. Every time there's a like, when Bigfoot became a big thing, suddenly everyone's seeing Bigfoot when

there was Chupa coppers. Suddenly everyone sees the idea that people just want to get caught up and be involved in the moment. And the same thing happens when you look at something like Twitter, for example, 99% of what happens on Twitter is BS, but everyone emulates it because they want to be popular. And so they fake their reality. Right. And I think that's pretend to be that they were at shit like that. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. There's a ton of people going into UFO like research. There's a ton of UFO scientists or researchers or whatever you want to call them that that say they are were scientists or where they were in the military. And then when you like look into the background, they just lie about all of it. Yeah. So and that mud is that muddies up the

water is quite a bit for people like me who are like interested in this stuff. It's a hard thing to seriously research. Yeah, it takes a lot and maybe one day if this is ever like a really popular podcast, we can bring on like a researcher that can help us take care of that stuff. I don't know, we got 65 stars now. So we're basically Oh shit, we're at 65. Well, you said when you said we're at 60, a little over 60, little over 65 stars. Yeah, I mean, we're getting there time now for two episodes, though, two episodes. I'm proud of that serial. Here we come to dope Queens. We're coming for you. Get ready. And the last just the last astronaut was Edgar Mitchell from Apollo 14. He walked on the moon has come out and said he believes there are actually alien structures on

the fire far side of the moon. He is quoted in saying there are lights. They're watching us. They're right around the corner and they are here. The moon is being used by aliens to observe us and all that stuff that we've already talked about. And the thing with the crazy UFO people like not necessarily like me, but other people who are into the field, they love, they fucking adore. And if you read any article, they adore pointing to these people and being like, well, they're as astronauts and they're credible. So it must be true. And that's kind of like a lot of the the base of people's beliefs here, which I can I can agree and understand. Absolutely. Oh, no, like, if I was going to point to anyone to be like, they know what they're

talking about, yeah, I would point to astronauts and be like, they're hyper intelligent. They have done things that we've never done. They've been like, yeah, of course I'd point to them. But at the same time, this goes back to the they're still human and they still can make mistakes. And so post career like testimony has a lot less weight to me than like primary sources, though. Absolutely. A bunch of X CIA people have come out and been like, oh yeah, we're hiding aliens from you people. Like that's actually happened too. But again, they're post. But how do we know? And like this goes to to human being. How do we know that they left their CIA job and years have passed and they're like, man, I need to pay the bills and they see people who are desperate

for this like, please tell us anything. And then you can be like, oh yeah, no, I'd love to get money from idiots. And then you literally just go to them and make up lies. And people do that. It's it's crazy to me that people assume like I'm one of the I truly believe in trusting people and being very trust like trusting of others. But even I have to admit that at the core of most people line comes easily. And so especially if it involves money. And so I feel like and a man desperate for money will do a lot. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why people are killed and bank robberies and stuff. And like, yeah, 711 because they're like, look, I need this money and I can't have you get me arrested. So I'm gonna shoot you. And it's cold. But that's

how it works. I don't I don't know, man. I mean, I'm not saying to, you know, again, and to counterpoint that and devil's advocate, don't throw everything out the window just because you think they're all desperate for money because I don't think Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were like looking for cash and they're late. Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. I think it just makes it exponentially harder to get a real documentation of it. Yeah. And I think this goes back to the whole idea of the show and the whole idea of paranormal anything, the studies of it, is that if there's .001% truth in it, then that changes really, right? It's more of a study of ourselves. So that's why people are so like, yeah, that's why people

are so involved and people want to, they want to know. No, because if it is true, if even a fraction of it is true, then it's life changing. But the problem is, is that because people are so invested in finding that small fraction, it allows people, hucksters and scammers to come in and be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally saw that. Give me your money. I wrote a book and that's, yeah, that's wrong. There's so many of those people out there. There's so many of those people who just want to cash in and why it makes researching the kind of the alien stuff very, very, very difficult and it makes it easier to laugh at people who have discovered something because then we can be like, that's nothing. And I think, you know, it goes back to the beginning of the

show when Alex was like, don't think we're making fun of people. It's just that there's legitimate ways to investigate things. And when you see it not happen, you're like, stop. Oh my God, stop. Let's get to the real stuff. Things that are fascinating. Like later on, when we got to the ringing bell, that's interesting stuff. A hologram moon is BS, but a ringing bell moon? The thing that's stopping me from believing this shit isn't my like, higher sense of morality. It's not like I'm just like, no, hippies are crazy. That can't be right. Like, it's just like, give me something convincing that I can read about and look into and is documented and I will, I will go there. I'm open to being convinced of fucking anything. Absolutely. Yeah,

me too. And like, that goes to the whole like, my, my, my personal belief of like, I want to believe and I'm happy to believe if there's enough evidence to convince me that there's something there, but there's so much disinformation and lies and all kinds of stuff out there that it makes very hard to find something substantial. But when something like Project Blackbook gets revealed like a month or two ago by the government, that's where I look and go, okay, there might be something. There's something to it that we can like explore. Yeah, exactly. So the last theory we're going to get to, and this is the funniest one and get ready to just question everything. Okay. The moon wasn't built by aliens. It's not a hologram. What the moon actually is

is a human built object by humans who are sent back in time to create this gigantic moon to facilitate life on earth. Time is a flat circle, man, and we have to go back and the time is coming up. What? Well, we, we have to go back in time and send people back in time to build the moon so that evolution can happen and life can take place here. So this is like one of those like, it was always here, but we also had to create a Terminator 2. Yes, it's like situations. Yes, exactly. And there's a wonderful website that how would we create it? Well, we would send back all of our best engineers like back into our best engineers. We've been studying it for studying it for thousands of years. We know what it's on it. We know what we must build.

If you listen, wait, I'm talking about time. Yeah. Time wise, that would be a generational ship. You'd have to send back engineers who then their kids would keep building the moon. The moon is huge. Depends on how far ahead in the future. How would we build the moon? Depends on how far ahead in the future we decide to build it. Non, non, maybe you can 3D print it. Listen, you're, you're wrong. You're wrong, Jesse. And I'm going to tell you why. Okay. First, there's a website that you need to go and enjoy for those who are curious about this insanity. It's called WhoBuiltTheMoon.com. Good question. It's, it's a great, it's a great question. He, he posits this particular gentleman and in those he talks about that the moon was not alien.

It was not a hologram. It is human built. And they ask the question, well, how do we know? How do we know it is human built? It's all in the numbers, man. It's mathematically there. We humans put hidden messages throughout the moon's like math and how far it is away from the earth to tell us subtly that humans built the moon so that humans in the future figure it out, realize we have to send back people to build the moon and do so. What are these numbers, man? You might be asking yourself, how is that possible, right? Well, there are messages in the moon, my dude. The moon is a sculpture of sorts, but it's also a very soul. Oh, you're Jesse. I'm about to blow your fucking mind. The first message that is in is put into this moon is the eclipse,

the eclipses. Solar eclipses happen when the shadow of the moon covers the surface of the sun. Total solar eclipses are very impressive. And for one important reason, when seen from the earth, the disk of the moon is exactly the same size of that of the sun. This isn't the case. This isn't the case, but it is a line of sight effect. In reality, the sun is obviously much more massive than the moon, but it's very much further away. Solar eclipses are near miracle and they don't happen anywhere else in the solar system. The only reason they can occur is because of two factors. The moon is one four hundredth part of the size of the sun and the moon is capable of standing at a position one four hundredth part of the distance between the earth and the sun. How

unlikely is that? If any message incorporated into the moon was specifically designed to say, look at me more closely, it is the solar eclipses. It is mathematically near impossible that it would happen and be so perfectly sized and perfectly distance between the earth and the sun that humans did it. And it is our message. Is it accurate maths? I believe that is actually accurate math that solar eclipses and all that stuff is. That is super duper, duper, duper rare and it requires a perfect distancing of the moon from the sun. It's rare for our solar system, but it's not rare for our galaxy. It's not rare for our universe. It could be. This goes back to the beginning of this nonsense of like,

don't you see how important we are? And we must have done this because we're so damn smart that the science and math of the universe itself couldn't have done this. I gotta say that fact, taking out of any sort of context is pretty good WhoBuiltTheMoon.com. But put in context of, you know, the universe. Well, I don't know. I don't know. The exact right, is it, first of all, is the moon exactly the same size as the sun during an eclipse? Well, it perfectly covers. But I mean, anything bigger would cover it. But that's right. But it's like a perfect silhouette. It's like it's a perfectly covers the moon, not any bigger or smaller. That's exactly where it needs to be. I would say that's significant.

That's right. But I go go back to what we said at the beginning, just because it happens to us doesn't mean that it can't happen. I'm just saying like, I don't know what I'm just saying. I don't know what principle of physics would would govern that phenomena is all I'm saying. That's pretty like, also, also, I mean, this is the nonsense of, yes, an eclipse can totally cover the sun, but only in certain areas at certain times. There are partial eclipses. They're like, total eclipses aren't a thing that happens everywhere all the time. And then eclipses only happen so often. So to say that we mathematically, if it was, if that was the case, mathematically where he lives, yeah, like this, it's not probably not looking at all of the messages yet, right?

So maybe there's more, but there is a second message. Plus there, I mean, like to say that, don't you understand it's because it perfectly covers the sun. That's not true. There are partial eclipses and other eclipses and then total eclipses and total eclipses very, they only happen in a very specific line of the thing. Like it's nonsense. I, I hate bullshit math. I hate it. And it is bullshit math because like you said, total eclipses don't happen everywhere on earth. But if there's a temple, a temple to the moon that is the proper reading point, maybe there's a point on earth. If we follow the lay lines, are you saying we're, we're you saying we're going to India and show us this thing and stick a stab to the ground?

Yeah, let's do it. If that happens, I'm, I'm aware. I'm aware. I'm aware. Oh God. All right. Well, here's the second message for you boys. The second message we send ourselves with the moon is something called the scissoring of the moon. Hell yeah, girl. Is it not peculiar the fact that when viewed from earth, the moon and the sun perform an elegant and most unlikely dance. At times when the sun rises at dawn as far north as it can, the moon sets as far south as it is possible. Similarly, when the sun rises at its extreme southern position, the moon sets at its most northern. The same is true of sunset and moonrise. Hardly anyone even realizes that this takes place. Let alone understands just how incredible it is. There is no mathematical rule

or law of physics that says this should happen. It is simply a consequence of the moon's orbit positioning. And yet as re as a random chance event, it seems virtually miraculous. Time out. What? What? This, can you repeat like this? This seems a lot more directly a result of just like where the earth is. Like that is correct. There is not really. Yeah, I read this second one and I was just like, I'm not sure if he is just like desperate for a second point or he truly, I feel like this was, I have a really good first point and the second point is not so good. The second point is pretty hot garbage. To sum it up for you, Jesse, he's saying that when the sun rises at its most northern, the moon sets at its most southern and vice versa. And it's like a perfect dance of the

moon and the sun. That is much more relative than the total eclipse. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Again, that's a, all these are sort of relative informational things that if you only look at, like this is, this is like saying- The eclipse is rare enough that you're like, huh, at least for a second. But this is like, the sun sets at a different time, like if you're 100 miles away. And this, this goes to the idea of like, well, there can't be a thing called global warming if it's snowing in Boston right now. Like that's not- Right, yeah, yeah, everything's relative. Everything's relative. Oh God, is it snowing in Boston right now? Everything's in the numbers though, man. No, it can't think of it. All right. So the other things, there's a

couple other things in here. He says things like as far as, you know, ratios and the size of the moon and the earth. It's all, it's all in the numbers, man. For instance, the sun is 400 times bigger than that of the moon, and the moon stands at 1,400th part of the distance between the earth and the sun. The earth is 3.66 times bigger than the moon in the, in the earth year, thanks to the presence of the moon, takes 366 days. It really does, but these are star days and not solar days. It takes 27.322 days for the moon to fully orbit the earth. That means that 366 orbits the moon around the earth take an absolutely even 10,000 days. John and Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln, if you look at their birthdays. Well, that's exactly it. And we're going to get to the, the,

the theory, the, the thing that we're talking about a little bit ago, but this- Can I be, can I be really harsh? Like my apologies. I know I am most of the time, but can I be just, for anyone listening right now, I don't mean this to be offensive. This is like something you truly, if you look at this information and you truly believe this, God bless you. But you're having more fun in life than I am. When I hear this information, what I hear is someone dumping facts and figures, hoping someone who has only a base level understanding of math buys into it. Like once you start to actually work out this stuff, it's like, this is nonsense. It might be because you throw out numbers and be like, who has the basic understanding of math?

I mean, it's very true. I feel like this is one of those things that's like, I'm trying to convince people who are low information that this is real. So I'm going to dump a lot of facts and figures and numbers that don't necessarily equate to anything. Because I said it, I sound like I know- That's what Russia did. And I feel like- There's, there's more to it, man. This is the last bit of numbers I'm going to give you, because man, I'm not done blowing your mind yet. The number, the number 27.322, which we just observed is the number of days it takes the moon to orbit the earth is highly significant, both singly and it's, it's multiplies in the earth-moon-sun relationship. For example,

the sun is exactly 109.288 times the size of earth, which is 4 times 27.322. Even modern measuring systems were taken into account because the circumference of the moon in, in kilometers is 10,928.8 kilometers, which is 400 times, you guessed it, 27.322. And there is that 400 again, which you may recall is a number of times bigger, the sun is than the moon. And as staggering as it may seem, the circumference of the moon is 27.322 percent that of the circumference of the earth. It all boils down to a tripartite relationship between three numbers, their subdivisions, and multiples. Okay, okay. Boom. Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is the most perfect example of cherry picking facts. Like cherry, this goes back

to the idea of talking about when we were like, oh, well, we're very special because we have a moon and the perfect distance from the sun for life, all that stuff. This is taking that idea and saying, oh, okay, well, because all that's so perfect, we mankind must have done it. This is like the thing where you're like, yo, did you know that in New York City, whenever ice cream sales are up, there's more murder. Right. Yeah. Well, it's a true fact, what I'm saying, right? But you're leaving out the fact, there's no correlation, leaving out the fact that heat causes like aggression. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like during the summertime, there's more murders than in the winter because people are out later. People are worked up because yeah, there's many, many factors

and just to cherry pick a few and then be like, here's the theory is not fit them into the theory. Yeah, it's insane. This guy also fully believes that science is just like religion. We blindly believe it because we've been brought up in such a way that we accept that religion doesn't have receipts. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. But all of this boils down to what we were talking about earlier and that I forgot to give a name to it, but I should have the idea that it's called the anthropic principle. The anthropic principle is what states that the universe is the way it is, is because if it were any other way, we wouldn't be here. It's that idea that if we weren't the ones that were brought to life in sentience, another planet

would have because that's just how it works. The galaxy or the universe is so vast and so infinite that it was bound to happen mathematically. That's the anthropic principle. Well, can't I mean, that's just how it is. I'm more inclined to listen to someone tell me that the universe, the reason why mathematically all this checks out is because there's a grand design. I'm more willing to listen to that than being like, well, humanity clearly went back and did all this work and we're the ones who did. It kind of just sounds like somebody being like, the cup is on the table because I put it there. It's not actually, it's only deep if you don't think about it too much. Right. It doesn't explain anything, right? There's, there's, and I think there are many theories,

many of them crazy, many of them awesome, and it comes to paranormal and the study of just like stuff out there and the sci-fi universe. But I think that this aspect of it, of cherry picking science is one of the reasons why it's not taking seriously because anyone with a scientific background or a mathematical background looks at this information as like, this is bullshit. Yeah. And it's, it's even us who are not, we're not scientists by any stretch of the imagination. It was not hard. It was a little time consuming, but it was not hard to like dig into scientific facts and be like, all right, well, this is all super easily disproven. You can just prove it with Google alone. Yeah. Yeah, you really could. I mean, if you really

could, if you really wanted to just be like, find some surface level facts that would be like, well, this is insane. It's really easy to do that because as much as I'd love to believe that the, the moon is a generational spaceship sent here by the Pledgearans or Pleiadians, you can say it either one, one of them is right, one of them is wrong, depending who you talk to. It's not, it's not the, it's just not, it's just not the truth. Yeah. That just isn't it. And I got, I am as open to believing it as, it is something as, as crazy as the alien exists as anybody you'll meet, but you have to give me like some substantial evidence or something that makes me go, hmm, and I can't just go into Google.com, like Alex said, and just disprove it in like 20 minutes of

reading NASA or, you know, science magazine. There should be an open question. You know what I mean? There should be like a, like, like sort of like scattering of thoughts that are all based on established facts. And I think, I think that's the difference between science and the theory crafting of the paranormal. And it's literally about to say this. Yes. Science is always open. The reason why you can assault science and be like, well, that's not, they don't even know, is because scientists are never willing to say, we have all the answers. So we know why this occurred. They'll say, here's our theory. We have the evidence to back up this theory, but we'll be honest with you. We don't exactly know. Yeah. And the truth is not a secret at all. Yes. Yeah. And

the problem is that most people saying, well, we know about aliens and we know about the Hullman, they're like, we have the answers. And that's the difference. They're not open to anything else. Right. They can have such fundamental, like, we know everything. They, they can jump in on science and be like, see, they're not even telling you everything, but we know, we know. And I feel like that's the biggest issue. If you tell a scientist they're wrong because fact, they're going to be like, oh, shit, I am. Yeah. Yeah. That, that, that is literally what to see. Yeah. That's it's not like you're going up to scientists and they, like Jesse said, they're just like lock and key being like, no, this is the facts. They want to be proven wrong because scientists

want to know the truth. They're thirsty for knowledge. Now there is, there have been many cases in history when scientists have been like, no, we're going to poo poo this and we disagree. But in the end, every single time in the end, science fact disproves the like ego of some scientists. It's absolutely true. Just like every other field, there are scientists with ego who like, I discovered this theory and so I look at the dinosaur race or whatever, like the like sort of like arms race of discovering dinosaurs. Yeah. People eventually will be taken down by fact. They can BS and be like, well, as a scientist, I believe this, but even in the science community and at the end of the day, science fact wins out. It's just the way it is. And how it should be,

even in this crazy world that I love of UFOs and space, I will always air on the side of science than crazy conspiracy theories. And it's just how, and that's how it should be. Like reading this website and this website, he has books and all kinds of things. You just can't help but look and be like, man, this guy is just desperate for his theories to just be right and just overlooks anything that proves his theories are shaky at best and completely wrong at once. Yeah, hashtag fake news. It's hashtag like not a scientist. Right, right. It's crazy. But I mean, that's the general, I mean, we've been going for a while here and that's kind of the general overview of the moon and all of its hollow or holographic or,

you know, future human built theories. And there's a bunch of other theories out there, obviously. We can't cover them all. We'd be here for three hours. But that's kind of the hot topics. I would call them the moon itself. And my favorite, my favorite one is that humans time travel to build the moon to facilitate life on Earth because that's like a Doctor Who episode because of the numbers. Well, there is a Doctor Who episode about the moon. And it is true. That's right. And it hatches. I think it's like a space dragon. And there's also reptilians in Doctor Who now. Oh, yeah, that Doctor Who is a great show. But, um, but a great fantasy show. So, so about have a, yeah, exactly. It's not, you do not watch Doctor Who and take notes

for your scientific theories. That is not what you're supposed to do with Doctor Who. I know it's his doctor, but he's not an actual doctor. He's not real. Um, but the question is now, Jesse, have I blown your mind? I mean, my mind is blown. I'll give you that. You nailed that. The bell shit. Fuck me up. The bell. That's the one interesting fact. I think that comes out of all of this. The bell's interesting. I'm going to go immediately after this and listen to the astronauts. Annihil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Edgar, uh, all of the Bedger Mitchell, those, those three saying that they believe are aliens is interesting. Astronauts talking about aliens always creeps me out. But I also, I think I believe that aliens exist. I just don't know

their effect and role on Earth, on Earth, if any, right, right. But I believe, I mean, I think if we can say mathematically that we're not important and like things happen in the universe, we have to also say mathematically that life can exist elsewhere in the universe. Of course. So the anthropic principle, man. And that's something that you should always go back to. We, we, you know, we, we, we like wrote this. We like, we like really like did like, wrote like an academic essay in this episode. We did a good job. It was fun. It was super fun. I love the shit, man. I could spend the late nights of just creeping myself out. That's the zone, man. Just watching weird ass vids. You got to keep your mind open.

Like how, I just remember, like I was, I was watching the second part of their Aptilian interview and I was like, how did I get here? Like what wrong choices did I make? I want that link, by the way. This part of YouTube. I will, I'll get it to you. It's great. It's really fun to listen to. But that's it. That's hollow moon and holographic moon and all kinds of things. It's episode three of the Chiluminami podcast. I can't believe it's only been three episodes. It's been super fun. We, we, like this is just a great, I just love this show. So thank you guys so much for listening. If you enjoyed it, the usual man, throw us a great review on iTunes or wherever you

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