Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 30 - Indrid Cold/Mothman Part 3

Episode Date: August 11, 2019

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that you show to your grandmother. I love this podcast. You go in like a week later. Grandma's just all methed out, running around, cleaning the house. You know that meth is what took Grandma away. You think that's what's going to happen if Grandma gets on meth?

What would happen if Grandma? The worst case scenario is Grandma's going to be like, I cleaned your apartment, dear. Worst case scenario is Grandma fucking dies from meth. What are you talking about? The worst case scenario is Grandma lives, has a wild Grandma orgy, and with your friends.

Are you telling me? And then you and your Grandma have to know what happened. How about this? That's way worse. Worst case scenario, Grandma peels off her face, she's the Mothman. Welcome back to the Chiluminati podcast

where we are talking about the Mothman. That's the worst case scenario. That's a good one. It's a segue. There's lots of words. Welcome back. Welcome back. You may actually think that we are going into

Mothman part three. And you wouldn't be entirely incorrect. What? I'd say. We're going into part four. What we're actually doing is an episode on something tangentially related to the Mothman, which is a character by the name of Indrid Cold,

otherwise known as the Smiling Man or the Grinning Man. Have any of you heard of Indrid Cold? I have. I have. And here's the thing that I want. This is kind of like a deep cut in terms of like weird knowledge. This is part of the this is part of your like this is like

the arcade fire in like first year of college of like becoming a conspiracy theorist is learning about Indrid Cold. Yes. But everybody online is asking about Indrid Cold in relation to a character from the Adventure Zone podcast. And I just want to point out that that character is named after this character and not the other way around.

Really? That's I didn't even know that was a thing. I had no idea. I don't know the context. I don't know anything about it. I know there's a character in the Adventure Zone called Indrid Cold from what I hear. And just to clear up any confusion, that character is

based on or at least named after this character. OK, that's interesting. Neat. So other than that, do you know anything about Indrid Cold, Alex? I know he's like got that kind of like weird men in black vibe where he's like. Yes.

He has like he looks like he needs to be moist all the time or else he will dry out kind of vibes. What? And he has weird lips and he talks weird. Yes. And there's a lot of recordings of him. Yeah. Yeah.

There's a bunch of run-ins with him and all kinds of stuff. So. He was like interviewed, right? There's like audio of him. No, there's an interview with the man that talked to him. Oh, that's right. That's what the interview was. I read that transcript.

Ain't it just a ride? A ride. A ride. Also, a good to point out that this particular subject is like like Alex said, it's kind of like your first step into deeper conspiracy theory stuff. So there's not a huge amount of sources out there. The main source that we'll be using is excerpts and discussion

from a book that was done when they interviewed the guy who supposedly was in contact with Indrid Cold for over a certain period of time called Visitors from Lanyulose. Let me say that again. Visitors from Lanyulose. How does that title strike you, Jesse? I don't know. So I don't know anything about Ingrid Cold.

Ingrid Cold. I don't know anything about this person. I don't know anything about it. So I don't know what Visitors from Lanyulose, but it sounds like a Dime Store novel title. Fair. Fair. The cover even looks like a Dime Store novel.

It didn't actually go into major production until years after it was already written. There was only six copies of it in existence and somebody had to get the rights to it and then get one of the copies from like a national library and then probably publish it from that. So when, even after you did the interview, there's only like six books made of it. It was just, it was a weird, weird novel.

So Ingrid Cold is kind of like the like RV man of the 60s. Like he's like, like a weird, like pre-YouTube viral sensation. What? Yeah. Kind of. Like how do you, how do you go? I don't know what that means.

I don't know what this means. How do you, how do you go broad from six copies in like 1965? Do you know what I mean? What is the book from? Oh, that is right around the late 60s because the events happened so 1971. There you go. That's what I'm saying.

I feel like Ingrid Cold, like people have been asking because he's like central to this legend. If you like go one layer deeper and it's so interesting to me that there were only six books. Yeah. No, that's very, it is very bizarre. And we'll also learn that the guy who comes forward and talks about Ingrid Cold, his life has been ruined is even his family

members, like he, he's his life like unemployable, bankrupt, like completely destroyed as like people harassing him and all kinds of stuff. And even apparently extends to members of his family. That's something to keep in mind when we're talking about this as well. The only other book that was written that popularized it a little bit more is actually a book written by the same author

who wrote Mothman prophecies, which is John A. Keele. And this in this book, it's he's the grinning man is a part of a collection of weird cryptids. Basically the book is about and it's just an excerpt and the what's real about what he writes and what's not is up in the air because he's known to dramatize things. So it's not really a super reliable source when it comes to Ingrid Cold.

So while fortunately, unfortunately for everyone here, we aren't quite done with Mothman tangentially yet. While we speculated what it could be cryptid with the family, a spirit, doomsayer, prophecy or just straight out made up. What's interesting about Mothman is the time in which he was most present in this, in this area. As you recall, the Mothman sighting started on November 12th, 1966 and went to about December 15th, 1967, being the first

sighting being November 12th. But one thing we didn't talk about is that the Mothman Phenomenon was just a small sliver of what is known as an overarching UFO flap. You guys know what that term is? You have a UFO flap. Is that like when a story breaks and then there's like a bunch of aftershocks of the same story?

Yeah, there's a basically a point. A UFO flap is a point in time where UFO sightings and encounters were heavily present and then they just die off. And that's where this 1966 to 1967 in this West Virginia area, this was just kind of a part of the UFO flap. One might even argue that the beginning of the flap was technically on October 16th, 1966 in New Jersey on 4th Street. When two young boys, Martin, Mouse, Munoz and James, Jimmy,

Yankadis, claim to have seen a... Mike, Mathis, Martin. Listen, those are their nicknames, man. This was like in the 60s. Yeah. Martin, Mouse. I imagine he was like a small guy. James, Jimmy.

He's like, hey, come on, motherfucker. He turned into Tommy Karate. Just Tommy Karate as a child. This is what turned him. He's his encounter. And James, Jimmy. His nickname is just because his name is James would be my assumption.

James, Jimmy, dude. That's weak. It is weak. You don't need to put the James there. We get it. Yeah, we get it. Just call yourself James or Jimmy. You don't need both.

But they were actually out for a walk on 4th Street when they claimed to have seen a strange man. They were walking around as young boys of that erudu. I don't know, playing stick. What do you do in the 60s? Play stick ball, roll a tire? You chew on rocks? Because that's all they had.

Ride bikes. Play GI Joe. What do you do? What do you do? Play basketball. The 60s wasn't like the 1860s. Throw lawn darts at your friend's heart. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Do meth with your grandma. Do it. My grandma out there rolling around a tire just on meth. Sight cryptids in the street. Either way, these boys were walking down 4th Street at some point during the evening. And curious, they saw actually a strange figure standing near

a fence. Wondering what it was, they got a little closer to see what the figure was. And they saw it was actually a tall bald man somewhere over 6 feet tall, wearing a metal green suit who is staring right at them with a huge grin on his face. And according to Maus, I quote, Jimmy nudged me and said, who's that standing behind you?

I looked and there he was standing behind that fence. Just stand in there. He pivoted around and looked right at us. Then he grinned a big old grin. And then Jimmy said, did you know that Jimmy is short for James? Because my actual name is James, but I want people to call me Jimmy.

Is that cool? But that was the first exciting of what is going to be known as Indrid Cole. Read that description of his clothes one more time for me. Yeah, it was a metallic green, a metal. Sorry, I didn't say metallic, a metal green suit. Now I don't know. My mind went metallic, metallic green suit.

You need power armor? Are we thinking like power armor? No, do you think it's the color metal green? Metal green. That was what I was thinking, metallic green. Maybe have like a shine to it? No, not like a shine. Like metal green.

Yeah, there's like the green that you would paint on an army vehicle that could be that it was like that really ugly green color. Maybe, I don't know. Or are we talking about, you know, like when you wear one of those space blankets? Yeah, that was my mind went that way. But yeah, I didn't think like 1960s Iron Man suit.

Yeah. You know, just like that steamboat looking. Yeah, exactly. How are you? How do you even move? Yeah. Do you think that they heard the pink panther theme like play like when he when they saw him like it was like that's what

it was. That would dissolve any creepiness from him. Dude, if he's smiling, if he's like smiling like that, you know, he's snapping his fingers to his own, his own beat in his own head. He can hear it. But point is that's what we're arguably we could say the UFO flap happened during this time.

Tons of people came forward saying they were seeing UFOs in the skies, dancing lights moving around all in different parts of the states. Like again, our focus is going to be West Virginia again in this particular topic, but this during 1966 to 1967 in this small zone, tons of people saw tons of weird shit. And this this the the boys seeing this this figure, by the way, is not just like lore.

There's police records. They went to the police. You like they actually reported this. Yeah, they went to the cops and reported it. So it wasn't just, you know, folk lore to make. That's the thing that makes me think it might be like a metallic looking suit. Yeah.

Like if a dude was just standing there like smiling in a like ugly ass suit that was like dark sort of pale green. Like, I don't know that I would be like, I don't know, James. We better. It's Jimmy now. I think we've got to go to the cops. I don't think I would ever like be like, there's a man out there.

I feel like we'd have to look weird. You know what I mean? Yeah, right. Absolutely. But our main story is going to be on a man by the name of Woodrow Woodrow. Sorry. Mostly call him Woody Woodrow Derenberger.

He's the one that came into contact with with the smiling man or injured cold and actually had routine conversation with him over the course of days and even claimed to had been taken to his planet. So. Okay. I was about to ask what is left with moth man and now I want to know what the hell.

What is this? We have no bookends for this episode. His we jumped in to talk about someone named injured cold. The connection. I don't know who this is. We're getting there. We have no clue. We're just rattling off things.

This guy is done. Like kids saw him. Who is it? Well, the reason that I don't understand the reason to bring up the kids is because the kids event happened about three weeks before the first moth man sighting in the same. What is. Are you saying this guy's moth man though?

So there are claims that his coat isn't actually a coat but are actually wings and that he can fly and that those are the sightings of either injured cold himself or the same species that injured cold may be that we're traveling during this part of the planet at the time. So the moth man's name is injured cold. That's what he called himself. There are multiple theories as to what injured cold's

relationship to the character known as the moth man is. Correct. Which are some are that he is the moth man. Some are that he is like the herald of the moth man. Some are that he is like related to the moth man. That he's like, you know, like the moth man's like a fugitive and he's trying to chase him. Or there's a lot of different things.

So he's a man in black is what you're saying. There's a theory that he's a man in black actually. A man in black are totally different thing. Yeah. He could be like a man in black for us. He could be a man in black like for another species. Like dogs, the bounty hunter type vibes. And I've heard all kinds of shit.

He's like a minute. So this is his legend has grown beyond just this. He was like a Lilo and stitch scenario where the moth man came down and was like. Everyone was like, watch out. We'll save you. And this guy's like, I've got to get moth man. Right.

Like that's that's one of the things that I've heard. I swear to God. That's one of the things I've heard honestly. But I think like, I think like, I don't know. I think he's like, he's like part of the like he's like Paul Bunyan or something where he'd like or Johnny Apple seed where he just like is in, he's in the mix now. But I've heard of those two.

And I've never heard of this guy. That's because you don't want to open your mind to the truth, Jesse. You don't want to see what the evidence that's all around you. What do you mean? Indrid cold lives. No, I don't know. I don't know. I want to like see how you're going to tell the story because the

stuff that I have is like piecemeal from like terrible forums and websites. Well, that's the thing. And that's why I pointed out in the beginning of the episode. You have to understand like there's not much on him. There's very little written about him that comes from that time period that is even, you know, questionable whether it's reliable. One of the authors, the Kiel one, the one that also wrote Mothman prophecies. The problem with his is he sort, he says he goes and interviews all these people,

but then he never provides sources or way he contacted them. Like he makes a bunch of claims, but never backs them up. And that's, it really puts a lot of his accounts into question, which is part of the Indrid Cold thing. Like he was here for this very small sliver of time, handful of people said they ran into him or people like him and then it stopped. And then that was the end of it. So what we'll talk about specifically though is we're going to basically

just talk about the Woodrow Derenberger scenario because it's kind of the only scenario that we can kind of tie and have some actual conversation about. He was actually just a lovely old sewing machine salesman for a sewing machine company out in West Virginia. On November 2nd, 1966, he was returning from Marietta, Ohio to his home and he had a very strange experience. He was driving in his red panel truck on Route 77 in Parksburg, West Virginia. He claimed that he saw a flying metallic cigar shaped craft.

The ship traveled right by his truck and blocked the roadway ahead and gradually made him slow down to a stop onto the side of the road. Woodrow also described the vehicle as resembling a, quote, kerosene lamp chimney, quote. Have you seen what those are? Yeah, a little like the lamps that kind of go like cue out to a bubble and then narrow out again. Yeah.

But it had like the top is what you're saying. It kind of looks like a little bit. I mean, that's how he describes it. So you kind of think of it kind of goes up into like a bubble. It's kind of like a bong looking thing. If you know, yeah. I mean, if my name was Indra Cold, I'd travel around in a space bong. So yeah, sure.

Oh, I can actually see that. That actually fits his name incredibly well. Isn't that kind of consistent with one of the other spacecraft descriptions that we got? Wasn't there a sighting early in the West Virginia stuff that we were talking about earlier where there was like a cylinder? Yeah. Cylinder shaped.

Yep. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Indra cold. Indra for Indra chill. Yeah. Dude, my parents call me Indra cold, but I call myself like home star stoner.

The home star stoner. Oh, geez. Home star. So anyway, he claims or Darren Berger continues to claim that the aircraft itself was hovering about a foot off the ground. A door opened on the craft and being and a being exited the ship and the door shut with a large thunk behind him. We got Star Wars doors.

Yeah. Well, I guess I was thinking Star Trek. Yeah. No, Star Trek is like that's the doors in Star Wars look like they're going to fucking kill you. Like you walk past them and they're like, boom, it's closed. There was never a door here. Later, the vehicle climbed to about 50 feet into the air above the highway.

The being walked right up to Darren Berger's truck window. That would horrify me. Something just like steps out of the ship and just walks up to my window. Was it a man named Indra cold? Well, Woodrow described the being as looking like any ordinary. Oh, I think it's got bit my mosquito on my head as I am recording this podcast. My God. That's.

Oh, freaking got it. Oh my God. He really did. Wow. Oh, you. Now you're allowed to train with Mr. Miyagi. God. That's going to itch real bad.

I'm sorry, Mothman, but I have to expose your secrets now. Is there another one in here? Oh, you'll be OK. Don't worry. They're just trying to stop me from telling the truth. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Anyway, so the he walked the craft, you know, 50 feet in the it goes 50 feet in the air, figure walks out, walks up to Darren Burgers window. He described the being as looking like any ordinary man off the street, six feet tall, about 35 years of age, all of complexion, dark brown hair and wearing a glossy metallic dark blue coat. The man spoke to Woodrow telepathically. Of course. His mouth did not move.

Instead, he had a fixed smile on his face. The man looked into in through the truck windows and said without saying something along the lines of roll down your window. I want to talk to you. While they communicated, the man called himself injured cold. He told Woodrow that he meant him no harm. So he had. So this guy also reported like a shiny metal.

Yep. Metallic blue suit. Huh. How about that? Little connection. Let's continue. Continuing, he said, I was very frightened. And as far as I can understand, this was all mental.

There were not words spoken from him. I knew what he was asking me, but yet he stood there and his mouth did not move. He had a smile on his face. He appeared very courteous and friendly. Injured cold and Mr. Darren Burgers conversation was about 10 minutes long. He told him in a cold telepathically told him we eat. We breathe. We sleep.

We bleed even as you do before returning to the flying craft and said, we will see you again. He later reported this event to the police. Now, is this the guy who went on TV? This is the guy who had the interview. Yeah, 30 minute interview. Yep. Same guy.

I've watched this interview before back in the day. It's it's I read the I read the transcript for it. It's weird. Yeah. It's very strange. So he went to the police with this. This is not anything that like, you know, again, some weird thing is official records of this.

Exactly. But then the media caught wind of it. And with the media and anything kind of strange, especially at this time, they went wild. Woodrow's story gained traction in the media gaining news coverage and attention after the Park Parkersburg police were convinced of his story. An Air Force representative even contacted him soon after his accounts were documented. On November 3rd, 1966, during this media storm, he went on live TV in Parkersburg, West Virginia, where he was then interviewed by the state police, the Wood County Airport, the city police

and representatives from the Dayton, Ohio Air Force Base. It was interviewed by like air airport. That's right. Pat. Air Force Base is known among cryptid circles to be where they keep the aliens. Well, then the area 51. It's actually right. Pat.

Whatever the Dayton one, whatever. Yeah. Right. Pat Air Force Base is in Dayton, Ohio. You're like up there. I spent the first 18 years of my life. You're like all this stuff. I don't believe one thing though.

They keep the aliens. No, I don't believe that. But that's what the rumor is. Yeah. All right. So maybe how strange then that they're the ones, you know, sending a representative as well. New Mexico plane or plane.

The Roswell, New Mexico air dirigible was taken to David. Tell you about the time my dad was chastising Luke Skywalker's behavior because he said that Han had every right to be mad at him because he was a guest on the plane. What? What? He was like, you see, Luke was a guest on the plane. So Han had every right to be mad at him for being annoying. Your dad and I, I think, see the exact same thing.

Yeah. I guess I was just lost in the moment. I took the space plane with the aliens. Took them over that area. Dark Vader. God. Well, back to the interview. When the interview aired, an older man claimed that he too saw a figure matching the same

description as injured cold also on route 77, who was trying to flag him down, but the man was too afraid. And so he drove right past as he continued to wave. Darenberger's conversation with cold could be corroborated, but other people claim to see lights and fluttering vehicles the same instant on the road. So people were calling in and being like, I saw this. This is like I said, during that, that UFO flap, people are seeing lots of things. There's even claims that there were people who claim to have saw landing crafts on route 77.

All that same night. No, no, all over the course of days. Not all on the same night. I thought there was a bunch on the same day, no? There was multiple sightings on the same day, but there was also, like I'm saying, there's also continued sightings all on route 77 throughout days and weeks. Right. But what I mean is the thing that's interesting about Darenberger's, Darenberger?

That's how I say it. Darenberger. The thing that's interesting about his story as I remember it is that he's the one where it's like same night, same event. It's not even like, you know, oh, there was like an alien this day and then two weeks later another alien. This was like, he saw this thing and then a bunch of other people saw the exact same thing. Yep.

That is exactly also what happened. Yep. A bunch of people, like when he came forward, people were like, we all saw these weird fluttering, like moving, dashing lights in the sky all on the same night. Pretty wild. It's crazy. There were also other witnesses that reported seeing Darenberger stopped on the highway talking to this man.

So people say they drove by and saw, there's the truck that, because remember he pulled over. So he saw this man talking to this dude on the highway and some even saw, what's interesting about this is some even said they saw the craft, but not all of them who reported seeing the man with Darenberger reported seeing the craft. Only some saw the craft. So some people said they saw Darenberger talking to no one. No, they saw, they saw him talking to a man, but didn't report the craft there.

Other people also saw him talking to the man, but also saw his spacecraft. Interesting. Which if you're like deep, if you're like three courses deep into like, you know, conspiracy theory that plays into the idea that aliens, if this is true, are a mix of physical and psychic phenomena that they, that they're, they're multi-dimensional. Which is a surprisingly popular theory. It is a super popular theory. I kind of like it from the outsider perspective.

It doesn't seem like that's the theory everybody has, but inside the UFO circles, everybody's like, oh yeah, no aliens are psychic and the craft are like meant like it's like Green Lantern shit. You know what I mean? How are you, how are you holding on there over there, Jesse? I just see you leaning further and further back. Well, I don't know. Look, I, every time we have to explain something weird with another weird thing in order to

make it make sense, I'm always immediately like, okay. So the reason why X is because this other thing you didn't think of. Here's the thing. The reason for that is another, like the reason why you can't detect the aliens is because they make a force field bubble around the ship. And the reason why they can do this is because they're psychic, which is why they can, like holding on to something else that takes it to the point where it's so insane that you're just like, sure.

Okay. Anything's possible. I mean, if you want to just keep walking around in a dream world, Jesse, that's fine with me. Right. You got to open your mind, man. Yeah. Open your mind and accept it, but because what if, open the possibilities, what if it's

true? What if it's not? So wait, so is this the same guy who then was like, and then he took me back on a spaceship? Yes. Really? We're getting to that. Yes. Oh my God.

Why? I wish it wasn't. I wish it wasn't that guy. Now, John Keel, the author of the book, the other book that I was saying is also conducted an interview, but again, he doesn't really do well with sighting sources. So I kind of like toss a lot of what he says out the window. Unfortunately. He doesn't really do well with sighting sources is like, that should be on the book like the

book. Exactly. Yeah. Or it would continue on. Injured cold in Derenberger would have a weird sort of friendship in a strange way. He all, he claimed that he was visited by injured cold many times and that he even took him on a spaceship to his planet. Injured cold would also appear at Woodrow's front door.

His wife and children even knew that this injured cold was paying him visits and they even eventually came forward saying they too saw this man and other strange beings. Maybe he was just like a super convincing Jehovah's Witness. The best Jehovah's Witness of all time. Is there a Jehovah's Witness believe in like space aliens? No, there was more. They just like travel a lot. Okay.

They come to your door and like talk to you about the good word. You might be wondering what were these aliens like when he went to their planet, which by the way, of course, is named Lanulose. Ah, there it is, Lanulose. Jesse's just shaking his head. So I guess I'm going to say continue please. I don't know. I don't know what to say about this so far.

Well, Woodrow's wife specifically said that the beings who visited them terrified her because remember, she was they they claim to see other beings, but that these beings were still very much like humanity or humankind, at least physically. They apparently traveled in normal cars, dressed in normal clothes, but just weren't necessarily human. There was even one time where Derenberger disappeared for six months and said he was with injured cold. What?

Wait, where did he what? He wasn't at home? No, he literally disappeared for six months and said that he was with injured cold the whole time. Wait, what? Is that just sinking in? Is there is there any record of that? Is that like real?

Yeah. What? So this is that is apparently what he told his family and they were like cool pops. And they they apparently believed him. Okay, this is this is earthbound at this point. And then he also claimed that he received mental messages from his from injured cold and they would come with suddenly and leave with massive migraines. Literally this is the game earthbound.

This guy Derenberger is Ness. And this is what the game is. That's what's happening here. His family also says that they would receive constant strange unknown phone calls. Sometimes they were people threatening to stop speaking about his experience. Sometimes they were odd beeps and electric hums. It was just dead silence on the other end. The family even went as far as to change their number to an unlisted one.

But the calls continued. So are we supposed to assume that they're talking about like it's the government who I imagine it's it's a mix like there's my my guess would be people that just aren't going to torture just want to like torture like the family assholes who are playing pranks maybe or something along those lines. Oh, I guess that's true. But I mean, that would be in their mind. Are they saying like people are harassing us about this?

Or yes. No, they would say like no, it was threats and then they made the threat. They don't think it's it's real people involved in the situation trying to silence them. They think it's like trolls. No they think they think it's real people in the situation trying to I see I see stop them from talking completely. It got so bad that even locals would know where his house was and they would be there all hours of the day and night and wait in crowds in his driveway just to see if they

could see injured cold coming by. I would love to see how long people hold on to this like today. I wonder if you could find people who will just say like, yep, my dad saw injured cold like, well, they wanted to see injured cold show up. That's what I'm saying. They're just there like, oh, well, he I just want I want like that town because I'm sure people are like, yeah, I saw this dude on the road. I saw him at this house.

I mean, people said they saw him, right? Yeah. Well, other people said they saw him on the road and all that other stuff. Yeah, but this is the only the only one that they seem to like put any stock into is the Darenberger one. So it's just crazy that that people would even bother to camp outside his house. Darenberg would also then go on to say that he met injured cold in another place as well other than Route 77 in his house, a place called make out Ridge of Bogle.

It really was surprisingly close. That was scary. I thought it was like promontory point or whatever. This is where he said he would go and meet injured cold to go into a spaceship and go in rides and outer space. And when they got out of the spaceship and looked, there was a hook on the spaceship. Some people actually say they also saw injured cold and other other spaceships land in that same area.

Bogle Ridge. Oh, Bogle Ridge. Bogle Ridge. I was saying make out Ridge the exact same time that you were saying Bogle Ridge. So, you know, the same thing at this point, because I have a weird there's a weird part of me that says that's what he was doing like he was looking at what I mean. Yeah. Yeah.

He had an affair. He was having an affair or something disappearing for six months. I mean, but at the same time, I'll come to you, right? Yeah. That's the thing, right? Like how it's so it's so easy. Yeah. I mean, one way or the other, especially when the whole town is apparently going insane

about this. They're like, I've seen it. I've seen it. Right. Everybody's seen the right leprechaun. Yeah. Not. No.

Yeah. For me. I'm sorry. At one point, two armed men with loaded rifles were hiding in the woods by Darren Burgers property. What? Wait, they found them? They know they came forward and are telling the story.

They observed a black Volkswagen enter his front yard. A peculiar dressed man in an all black suit with tan skin exited and talked with Woodrow before getting back in the car and leaving. The hunters ended up being disappointed, they said. They waited even longer wanting to see something truly terrifying, but maybe, maybe they already had. Man, I wanted to shoot an alien. Because that was a visit Woodrow claims from the men in black.

No. Okay. So everybody's the actual men in black. Everyone's involved. And the men in black in the real lore are like scary, like reptilian, scary government agents that may or may not be human. Yeah. Because a lot of the accounts of them have to do with them struggling to like seem human.

They just ask for dumb stuff, red lips and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And they're constantly thirsty. Yeah. Agri, your skin's hanging on your bones. But so the men, so what he said is that the men in black ended up visiting and during that visit told him to stop talking about his encounters with injured cold and moreover,

stop seeing injured cold, lest his life depend on it. What? They threatened his life. Okay. Stop talking about it or something bad is going to happen, which is tends to happen with the men in black. But is this question, is this the only time in all these stories of injured cold that the men in black have shown up?

This, this is the only noted part where the men in black show up. Okay. All right. I'm trying to piece stuff together. Please continue. Now you might be saying, Darren Burger, you need to see a doctor. Yeah. Darren Burger, you need to see a doctor.

Well, he did. He saw medical attention and the opinion of a Parksburg psychiatrist at the time. He not only leaves with a clean bill of health and absolutely. Those Parksburg psychiatrists, that's all BS. There's quacks. Clean bill of health. No drugs found in the system whatsoever or disruption to his, to his like, or like he's healthy completely.

Do we have this? Do we have this too? Do we have like this record? These are all records. You can go look up. Okay. I love that you're taking notes. I'm just, I'm just interested.

I just, I just, it's wild. It's a wild story. It's insane. It's crazy to me. But the psychiatrist also said that he was clean, like he wasn't crazy. So whether, whether that means that injured cold was an alien is up in the air, whether Darren Burger believes that he was an alien, you know, could be a whole another story, you know, but he believes that he's, he's doing, you know, he's having these experiences

that or he may or may not be cheating. If we just had one real verifiable alien experience, we could just judge everybody else who's faking it real quick. Here's the problem with all of this as a man, gentlemen, as a man, okay. Think really hard for me on this. If you spent six months off cheating with someone and it ended and you had to come home because you're like, oh no. Would you A, admit it or B, create the most illogical story to get out of it and then

keep it going for years to the point where you're like, and then the men in black showed up. Would you do whatever it took to make sure that your significant other didn't know? I don't think that this would be the story that I chose if I was going to do that. Yeah, but this guy sounds like an idiot. So just imagine you're stupid and this is what you came up with. Rather than be like, well, I wanted to bang other people, you were like, aliens took me by his name.

I just don't know why he would go so extreme. Yeah, it's very extreme. And the town, you know why? You know why he'd go extreme? Because just like people who are like, well, the aliens, you see, the reason why you couldn't hear them, the reason why I don't know how they sounded is because they could talk to my head. And the reason why you can't see their ships is because they're cloaked.

And the reason why they don't make any noise is because it's a power thing that you never thought of before. And they're from a planet that we can't contact. The same thing. It's the same thing because you're like, it's so fake. One pull of the thread, it all comes apart. So they have to keep layering on and it's the same thing here. This guy was like, and then men in black showed up.

So this is basically just a fucked up version of Fargo is what you're saying. Yes. Yes. Well, to add a little bit more to that, one of the reasons we know he went to the doctor as well is because after the doctor visit, the doctor himself gets a weird experience. He is contacted in December by Injured Cold. He doesn't reach out by phone, but telepathically. That conversation was, we do not know.

Only that. Why don't we know that? Why don't we know that? Because he only claims that the two have had the experience because if you go because if you try to do, you can't say you've been contacted and not say what it was about because you can't go any deeper than that. There's no more after that. Maybe they talked about their issues.

Maybe they were here. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's why I talk. He's a doctor. There's confidentiality there. But you had to keep in mind and this kind of this is my if I was to go on the Jesse side of things here, of course, the doctor would say something after the whole town has

been getting weird bouts of fame off of Darren Berger's weird claims. Why wouldn't he to also do that? But you know, like you said, Occam's razor, it's so easy to see both sides. Yeah. It's it's it's I want to believe I'll say that. But I'm not sure what we're believing in. I just want to know. I don't know exactly what we're believing.

There's not maybe there's nothing to believe. This is just an X. This is just something that happened. Yeah, to a degree. There's more than the usual amount of corroboration for this story. And I like to believe that at least everybody here is telling the truth about what they believe happened. There's more than the usual amount of cooperation.

Like there's there's there's a name for me. There's multiple sightings of the same thing on the same night. There's other sightings of the same thing at other times. And it there's verified, you know, witnesses and stuff here. So that's the thing that's interesting to me. I don't know that it's it's necessarily any one thing. If it's an alien or whatever it is, could be mass hysteria. I don't know.

But I just I just feel like for them all to have their story straight together. It's probably something they're all responding to. Right. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Whatever it may be, whatever it may actually be, whether he went to Lanielos after like all the ration. I can't comment.

I can't comment on. I cannot comment on Lenielos at this time, but I but I but I just think that it's at least worth paying attention to because I think it's something interesting. Yeah, I agree. I'm with you. It's it's it's super interesting to me, which is why I wanted to talk about it. And like, it's really, really kind of just a cool, cool thing. So after that, that's kind of the extent of the experiences thereafter.

The Men in Black is kind of like the bookend to everything there. He doesn't claim to have any contact with Ingrid after that or go off with him anymore. Just kind of an endpoint. And it's after that the books started happening. Visitors from Lanielos is from 71 in the Mothman prophecies. He's actually mentioned as well. He's actually in the Mothman prophecies book. He talks about the grinning man and injured cold and all that other nonsense.

And like most, his life thereafter was kind of unfortunately miserable. He negatively affected him, his family, his friends, years of harassing phone calls, losing losing jobs, losing friends, people trespassing on his property, ridicule, embarrassment, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He eventually had a nasty divorce from his wife. And he ended up dying in 1990 at the age of 74. So it's kind of a bummer like that his life was destroyed by this event in the end and didn't really do anything good for him.

It's wild. It's wild. If it was fake, why would you stick to it for so long? Yeah, why would you? Why would you do books years after you're being already kind of like haunted by it? Once you're in, how do you get out? How do you leave? How do you get out of the moment?

Just be like, I was being a fucking liar. I'm sorry. It's all fake. People do that all the time. It's hard to do. It's hard to do. And the people who do it do it on their deathbed. I wish you would have.

That's true, actually. A lot of people don't just bite on things. Yeah, once you get caught up in something, especially big lies, like lies on top of lies on top of lies. It's so hard to just admit it. Because if you do, the amount of damage you'll cause is even worse. And then you have even less than you had before. So sometimes the lie is all you have anymore. And so I can see how if you wrote books and your entire reputation is built on this thing,

and even without your wife, and even if your personal life sucks, you have the respect of some people at least. And if you said you lied, you have no one's respect now. And that's, I think, to a lot of people way worse. It's wild. It's very wild. I can't imagine doing it. I can't imagine being like that deep.

And then the longest game of improv. Yeah, just never ending. But it's an interesting story just because of the corroboration. It happening during that UFO year, that flap of a year, where sightings were everywhere. And real or not, something happened, whether it's the greatest lie in history, or it's just a dude who went kind of a little insane, a fair, aliens, Mothman. That's where we're going to end our journey across Mothman time space. Wait, but then...

Because there's no answers, Jesse. It's not a written story. That he appeared... But the implication is for Mothman. There were claims of other people that wore similar clothes to him happening across this part of West Virginia and stuff, and people are saying that he might have been Mothman. This species of alien is Mothman.

And they were visiting people and stuff, and it was just crazy. I think I like the story better if it's like he was... Wouldn't it be more fun, guys? Wouldn't it be more fun? Can't we all agree on this? Can we write a script? Can we write a script? Indrick Cole, whatever his name is, is the guy who caused the bridge collapse. And the Mothman was the one trying to stop him.

Like Magneto and Professor X. Yeah, but because the Mothman so hideous to the human eye, we thought he was the villain when really it was this guy who's like, I'm the smiling man. And he's like, oh, isn't that a better story? If we're going to make shit up, is that a better story? And the Mothman's the good guy. The Mothman was trying to warn everyone.

They're like, there's a dude like you trying to destroy a bridge. But except all we heard was, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's it. And then this guy... He's trying to talk to us and is getting hit in the tongue. Yes. And this dude was in the background like,

Sith Lord and six months on my planet with me. And then he like learned everything there was to learn about humans and he infiltrated and took down a bridge. And he's like, and the Mothman's like, no, better story. You're welcome. But sometimes real life, you know, like when you go to the zoo and you want to see the tiger and there's no tiger really. And you're like, well, where is he?

And like the... And everybody's like, he's right there. And you just see like some orange bullshit in like in the middle of some bushes and you can't really tell it's a tiger. That's real life. That's the real way of getting alien stories that we have. That's really it. We can't...

That is exactly every fucking alien encounter that we have. We can't... We can't... If only... If only there was perfect evidence for every one of them. If only somebody... I don't see it. Hang on.

Let me put on... Let me put on my alien sunglasses filter. Yeah. Oh, there it is. I see. Perfect. My story's better. My story's better.

I'm dying. Indrid Cold gets creepier the more you hear him like quotes of his. Like, I heard one where he says he's from somewhere less powerful than the United States. Oh, really? I didn't see that quote. Yeah. And I heard that he like was like, please report me to the authorities and stuff like that.

He was asking a lot of very personal questions as well. Like, where do you live? Who are you? Where am I? What time is it? What time period? Where am I? Yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, I don't know what it was. I don't know what happened there, but I do believe maybe that something happened there. That's the best I can ever say. And we always come down in this exact way where Mathis is like, this is written. It is real. And I'm like, I don't know if it's all real, but I believe that it's written in response to something.

And Jesse's like, why would there be a place called Lanielos? Like, you know. Well, it is kind of a dumb name. I mean, you know, it depends on where you're from, right? If you're from Lanielos. I guess if you're from Lanielos. Probably sounds beautiful. Well, that's it.

That's Mothman. That's injured cold. That's Jesse's movie pitch that we should write down. You know, there's just enough truth in that movie pitch to be able to, with the precursor being at the opening, based on a true. What's the opposite of a prophecy? Like, what's a, what's like the true version of a prophecy, the Moth, the real Mothman prophecy, a self-fulfilling prophecy, the Moth, the Mothman diaries, the Mothman events.

Yeah. No, you just call it the, I'll say the event, but I feel like that's just call it better Mothman, better Mothman, better Mothman, and then it's, and then it, and then the, the, the slogan is Mothman story solved the case. Yeah. This is how it happened for real. Well thanks for listening, everybody, and thanks for jumping into this giant journey of Mothman over three parts.

It was super fun. Again, a big thank you to Deanna, one of our researchers, she kicked ass and really went crazy with the Moth. She fell in love with it, and it was just fun to watch her go nuts. And maybe if you're not busy on October 30th, maybe you can maybe save the date. Yeah. I still don't understand who Indra Kald is. He's a weird, he's a weird, shiny man with some weird, weird eyes.

Some insights that you might want to look more into, and he may be related to the cryptid known as the Mothman, who may or may not be responsible for some natural disasters around the world, including a bridge disaster in the sixties, and even 9-11, Jesse, even 9-11. He might be involved. There's actually, because we didn't, you know, I should have went down deeper this whole, but he even, he told a prof, Indra Kald told a prophecy of a 9-11 actually happening, supposedly. That's the things. That's why I've heard.

He has so much like pull in the, in the circles is that he like is connected to everything. It's dumb, but this is what we got. This is our folklore, guys. This is the American, modern American folklore. You got to take it or leave it. October 30th, Boston area. Keep it free. Also for all those who are asking, the hats are back on sale.

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