Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 309: Charles Manson Part 1 - Murder isn't Groovy

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

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Hi, I'm Salman Farooqi, personal finance reporter at The Globe and Mail. Housing costs are higher than ever. That's why I write stories that help renters and homeowners make smarter money decisions. If that's journalism you value, episode 309 as always. I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, today joined by the only two boys I could ever do this goddamn show with without wanting to kill myself, Jesse and Alex. 309 as always. I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin today, joined by the only two boys I could ever do this goddamn show with without wanting to kill myself, Jesse and Alex.

What? I'm what's up, boys. I can't talk about serial killers like alone. I'd be depressed so much. I'd be so depressed. Why would you do it alone? Exactly, but that's like, apparently in the true crime sphere of podcasts,

like one person on a microphone, like telling spooky true crime stories is like the most popular way of doing it. I feel like if that was how I did it, I would just like be depressed all the time. If my job was just to alone research read about and then tell talk about all the horrible crimes these people did without anybody to laugh about you're not a 44 year old mother of three. No, no has decided that rather than a lot of animals live a normal life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is living a life of mystery. But it's not quite the same. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I don't know, like, I can't even do the way we do it that often when it's just dead ass. Like, I'm, I can make it through the recording when it's Mathis running it because I don't have to Immerse myself in Jack the Ripper or zodiac, but I can only do straight-up true crime

So so very rarely so I always try to make it a big one whenever I whenever I go for it You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, the key is to go in dead inside already That's how you do it. Yeah, you go and you go in dead. Yeah. Yeah. You live the life I live. You're dead inside already, bro. You can get through anything. Just go in dead, man. Just go in dead. Just survive. That's good. I mean, yeah, there's something, there's something. I know alphas and betas don't exist, but there's something beta about that. Go in dead. go in dead No, I can't go in there a buster

Bluth trying to like curl into a ball to like deflect aggression bigger creatures Go in dead. I don't know. Anyway guys Today, I I'm just gonna start by telling you that for once every little secret is real. Okay, how does that grab you? Tell the chaos magic and I don't know how that grabs me right now. It's been grabbing us pretty good though. I feel like in general, except for like a few, you know, every time, every time we do an episode on something that's not aliens or murder,

you know, there's a little bit of hate that comes our way, but no, I feel like, I feel like the love has been large and I hope that you guys all went and bought a bunch of grant Morrison comic books after last week. Like I said, I went, I went shopping for one the other day, like literally yesterday, the only true, like, all right, I'm fine with that, but yeah, the rest of it, you could do anything and call it chaos magic. So like whatever you now, you you now you get chaos magic. Jesse No, that's chaos magic, baby

No If you can accept that christianity exists in the world and just politely Step to the side of it, right? We can do that with with chaos magic, too No, it doesn't mean that we don't have to understand christianity, right? I do understand christianity. I empathize with christians It's just not my bag for one love one love your association of Christianity and then Chaos Magic. I'm going to let the internet have a field day with that. And yeah, it's going to be great. In the hierarchy of systems, we're all in the hierarchy of mature audiences, okay?

And our audience, as proven time and again is exceptionally mature. You mean old? Yeah. Yeah, they're all old like we are. They're all our age, bro. Outside of outside of the systems that are out there to believe we then take those and interpret them each ourselves in our own unique ways. And that's what those systems like I treated my prayers like chaos magic and jerked off during them. That's weird. That's not I don I treated my prayers like chaos magic and jerked off during them. That's weird. What?

That's not, I don't like that as much. What are we doing on this show? I feel like that's why it's crossed. My favorite was the Hail Mary. But you can't believe it because that's a great transition because as you've seen listeners, or at least heard for these past few months, magic has the power to transform culture and create outcomes,

or at least create come. And we've seen the ways that words and thoughts can have power and how it can change our minds in a way. So now, as a kind of spiritual sequel to Zodiac, where we flirted with similar themes or Jack the Ripper, and I do mean a spiritual sequel, for the next two weeks, through the medium of a casual

true crime two parter, I want to seriously ask the question, can words change reality? And to do that, just like the Chiluminati organization themselves have mentioned that they are planning to do this week, we too are returning to Los Angeles to discuss not just the murder of some innocent people, but also arguably good faith American optimism itself. And I can I just ask, do you know when the Chuluminati is going to install the pneumatic tube system in my house? Or I look, there's a lot of people that want the tubes. I think they thought it was going to be a lot lower amount of demand. I mean, I don't think they care about the show that much. I think there's probably a couple

guys up there that make it their lives to care about the show. But in general, I don't feel that much love coming from the top. Are we the X-Files of this company? There's a lot of pencils in the ceiling at the Chiluminati main offices. I'll tell you that much. in the ceiling at the Chiluminati main offices. I'll tell you that much. But they are returning to Los Angeles soon. And if we're gonna say something as heavy that we're gonna murder good faith American optimism, you really have to ask,

who's blood, who's got the blood on their hands? And hopefully by the end of next week when we finish this two parter, we'll have some kind of answer. And that's right, folks. It's time for Chiluminati Presents Charles Manson Part One Garbage Dump. And in fact, we are not just back in LA for this episode, as you will have no doubt noticed once we carry out our imminent change in library that we always do every couple months, because the spirit of Charles Manson has once again been manifested to give to Kif to kick off an entire Los Angeles month here on

this show, Chaluminati, LA month on Chaluminati begins now, which honestly, probably lasts even more than a month because I plan too much stuff to do. You got an extra week of it by just being a member on Patreon, just spiritually, you got an extra week of LA month that way. That's where your dollars are going, is to extra LA month weeks. There's a six week month in the middle of this year and it's called LA month and it's on Chiluminati.

And it includes a bunch of strange and interesting stuff to know about this brave, mysterious, crazy city. This is like chaos magic. We make it up as we go along. Yes, yes. If you can even call it a crazy city, if you can even call it a city. So if that sounds awesome to you, good.

That is because it is awesome. And for the next few weeks, watch this space at the top of the episode for all kinds of dope LA month related announcements, starting with our LA stories episode, which is coming very soon, where listeners from LA or anybody who's visited or knows anybody who's visited or has something of interest to say about Los Angeles, something spooky that happened to you, something that you saw, a neighborhood murder or an urban legend, as long as it was weird and set in and around the area of Los Angeles, California, you can write

in with stories that we're going to read live on the show and we're going to do it with some exciting special guests. Isn't that cool? Isn't that exciting? And they're going to be LA based guests. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's all L.A. stuff. Oh, so the easiest to get is what you're saying. L.A. is the biggest and coolest city in the world, dude. That's not an accident, man. You've never been to Branson, Missouri.

That's true. And I'm not going to say shit about Branson, Missouri for that. Because you can't because it's fantastic. I bet you that there's a lot to love about Branson. What is nice? London's nice. Is it better than Branson, Missouri, for that is because it's fantastic. I bet you that there's a lot to love about Branson. Well, it's nice. London's nice. Is it better than Branson? London is the Los Angeles of better than Branson, Missouri. OK. I'll go thing. I can't speak on Branson.

London is the Los Angeles of Europe. I know London's not part of Europe. Deal with it. OK. Los Angeles is a part of Europe either. Okay, so you can do that. If that sounds awesome to you, head over to our subreddit on r slash Chiluminati pod. Look out for the post from our official Chiluminati Bog Witch Hilda, who makes all those cute little videos that go up on our socials, and comment on it with your story to give us permission to read it on the air.

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Let your kids know about what's about to smash into their tiny little kid brains. Or don't tell them, I don't know. Or you know what? Take him out back. Give him a licky mat to work on. However you guys do it. Also, on top of that, have a kid lick a mat in the backyard. That's what I do with my dog. On top of that, we're also going to be making jokes about this dark stuff.

And even worse, some of it's probably going to even be factually wrong. Even though I promise I tried my goddamn best to do a good job. I'm just a video game YouTuber, comedian, game show host who likes to be mysterious online. Please don't judge me like you would a professor. I would not be able to lock down that job in the first place. Every little secret is real. That's what I said. And much more importantly, can words change reality? And how do we relate that to Charles Manson? First of all, Charles Manson

is probably the most famous serial killer of all time, arguably the most unique serial killer of all time. And like we saw with our Jack the Ripper episode or JFK, as interesting as a figure like this is, just thanks to the like insane volume of work that's been published about the man from so many different viewpoints, with so many different agendas and little secrets, and with various versions of the facts, quote unquote,

the extra attention makes the truth a thousand times harder to discern. So the question is, how do we, the Chiluminati podcast, discern it? Once upon a time in Hollywood. I haven't seen it. Give it a sec. Because actually, we do it quite easily

if Agent H. Gold from the Chiluminati Biophilm Institute has anything to say about it. He and the other scientists at the CBI have agreed to provide us with readings from a rather unique piece of specially calibrated equipment that they keep on hand called a Biotime Camera, which apparently they were able to even add sound to in the late 1990s, which is an upgrade and which allows you to glimpse real moments in the past, but only briefly and through admittedly a quite narrow lens. is an upgrade and which allows you to glimpse real moments in the past, but only briefly

and through admittedly a quite narrow lens. Now obviously, I also read a bunch of shit and listened to a couple podcasts including Helter Skelter by Vincent Bulyosi, Chaos by Tom O'Neill, the films based on both of those books, one of which is by Aero Morris. You must remember this, season four, the series Charles Manson in Hollywood is there. Many more links in the description. But I'm combining what I believe to be the most true version of what happened out of these various versions. And then I will frame them with authentic glimpses into a mostly chronological timeline. OK, that's mostly mostly chronological timeline.

Honestly, the machine is a bit poetic at heart. So sometimes there's the odd glitch. Reasonable license may or may not be taken to engage the listener and will sometimes see things in a more thematically resonant time order from time to time. Is that a deal? Oh, yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I do that all the time. It's a deal.

Great. I'm going to make it very clear, overly clear. Some might say what time when is what is happening if you know what I'm saying. So to begin, here's a message for absolutely no one in particular, which I have been instructed to press transmit on now. Great. And now, speaking of thematically resonant, let's take a look at our first time slice, which I actually thought was interesting. The very first one was actually labeled late fall 2018.

And it's funny you said this earlier, but it seems to be from one of the mornings in Universal City where famous American movie director Quentin Tarantino was filming some of the iconic closing shots of the film once upon a time in Hollywood, where instead of Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski's house, the Manson family show up at the house of Rick Dalton, who is Leonardo DiCaprio's character, who unbeknownst to them was under the protection of a stone cold killer war veteran stuntman in the middle of an acid trip,

and his dog Brandy is also there, who generated over $35,000 in winnings in underground dog fighting rings across the South Bay of California. Obviously. Were all the new Hollywood It girls there as well? Some of them were, I think, like probably. What's her name? Harley Quinn, what's her name? She's in that movie. Dr. Quinn. No. Medicine woman. Yeah, yes.

Yes, that's right. The cowboy hat. Yeah, from the show. She was there because she was in the film. And a couple other famous actors were there because it's kind of a vibe on Quentin Tarantino sets. But like I said, it's a very narrow, the slice is narrow. You can't see that much. Obviously in this fairy tale universe, once upon a time, the Manson family never carries out

the Tate-LaBianca murders. And Sharon Tate goes on to be just another charming, beautiful international actress, and nobody ever had to start locking their doors. And even though one last time the tough guys prevailed, it paved the way for real non-crazy hippies to usher in a world of peace and environmentalism and respect between us and our fellow humans, no matter what kind of style or background. And the boomers never had to secretly feel guilty.

And the millennials got homes and Gen Z had a social life and everyone lived happily ever after. Thanks, Manson. I really liked that movie. Did you hear they're making a sequel to this movie? Yes. David Fincher is directing a script by Quentin Tarantino that is about Brad Pitt's character. I did not plan that. Is that chaos magic?

That's wild. I would say he's the most popular part of the movie. So like one thing about doing the show for seven years is there's a lot of synchronicities of a topic we're covering around the time of like an anniversary like Philadelphia experiment was similar like a secret announcement of a full movie sequel to a Quentin Tarantino movie directed by David Fincher for Netflix. Crazy.

Weird. Started filming two days ago. To be honest, I don't know why the biofilm machine started with a movie about what if the Manson murders never happened, but if I had to guess why, I think it'd be to kind of like, I don't know, give us a sense of like the significance of these killings in our culture, the impact that the trial and the crazy media circus and even the idol worship that came after have had on Americans own opinions of themselves and the way a bunch of really groovy ideas we all should dig on could be warped into the scariest shit you've ever heard of and ruin

some of the best ideas about living in the modern world that America ever had. So what do you say we meet the motherfucker who supposedly turned it all to shit? I'm excited. You're excited. You're excited to meet that guy. You're hype. I'm hyped to meet the man that would love to see that insane. I hope you have some quotes for us to read.

And Jesse has to give us his best Charles Manson impression. I really don't. I really don't. Well, today I literally thought to myself, what if I take it easy on them this week? There's a lot of reading in the mini-sode. No, I go the other way. How can I make it? How can I ruin you further? That's how I usually approach it.

But today I said, it's the COVID dude. COVID changed your brain. It did. It did. I just tested negative about three hours ago. By the time the world at large. By the time the world at large met Charles Manson in 1969, he was some kind of evil hippie devil wizard, eventually even adding a swastika that he carved into his own forehead, who was killing people and smiling too much and corrupting our children with dozens of

people, mostly women, following him around and doing whatever he said, including murdering strangers and taking acid and speed with him and having orgies altogether and calling themselves a big happy family. But he was also two years younger than I am right now, just 35 years old, and nearly half the time that he'd been alive at this point, he was in prison. So the next time slice that we have comes to us from November 12th, 1934 in Cincinnati, Ohio, which shows an extremely distressed 16 year old girl Ada Maddox, who goes by her middle name Kathleen, giving birth to her

first son, Charles. Other than a lot of screaming, the audio is mostly corrupted on this slice. But we did hear somebody mention a Colonel Scott from Ashland, which we believe to be Ashland, Kentucky, and actually refers to a Colonel Walker Henderson Scott, who was a Colonel only in that Colonel was his legal first name. I love the perfect. That's such a perfect thing. Kathleen side is her husband who is a local dry cleaner, William Eugene Manson, who doesn't know yet that they'll be totally divorced three years later, though baby Charles keeps his last name. So the guy who impregnated his mom isn't the guy whose name he took strangely.

And that guy's name, that guy's first name is Colonel. In another brief slice we see the moment where Kathleen tells Colonel that she's pregnant. In another we see Colonel claiming to be called back to base on army business before disappearing forever. He was not in the army he was just named Colonel. The next time slice only takes us forward a few years to August 1st, 1939, but it's weird. Kathleen and somebody who seems to be her brother, Luther Albert, are absolutely shit-faced,

and they're walking up and down the street and talking about money, and young Charles is nowhere in sight, nowhere has he ever mentioned or discussed, and five minutes later, they spot a guy on the street who to them looks quite moneyed. And they decide they're going to go for it and rob him but it goes bad. And somebody kind of sees and suddenly Kathleen and her brother are arrested. And in another slice a little later, Kathleen is in court being sentenced to five years prison for

armed robbery and assault. It's crazy. And the next time slice is three years later in 1942 in McMean, West Virginia. And it's really short, but we think that it's footage of young Charles Manson, age eight, at his aunt and uncle's house where he lived for the past three years while his mom was in jail, genuinely excited to be meeting his mom again,

who just made payroll, payroll, parole. The next slice is from a few weeks later, and we can see them arriving in Charleston, West Virginia to live for a while, and Charles is looking pretty happy. But in another slice, from a few months later, still in 1942, we see his mother coming home late after a night of heavy drinking and yelling at him for starting a fire at his school. In another slice from just a few months later, Kathleen is sitting in court again after having just dodged a grand larceny conviction. And this is just speculation because the biotime camera can't capture inner thoughts.

But if I had to describe the look on her face, it's the face of somebody who wants to make a real change in their life. Pretty weird. The next time slice comes from the year 1943. We're in Indianapolis, Indiana now. And it's Kathleen and her new boyfriend, a fellow alcoholic called Lewis Woodson Cavender Jr., who she meets through AA, as in Alcoholics Anonymous. And he's outside in the street getting down on one knee and asking her to marry him. And she says yes. And in another short slice from August of that same year, 1943, we see her walking out of the chapel in her wedding dress, smiling and laughing and it's sunny. And the ceremony's just ended. My mind, they're just stumbling completely trashed, barely able to say what they were,

their own vows to each other. No, they got clean. Oh, okay. I didn't know if that was like, you said fellow alcoholic met at Alcoholics Anonymous. So I thought that meant they did not succeed at getting sober and ended up being alcoholics, my bad for a while. She remains in this dude's life. It's kind of, it's kind of interesting.

The next slice that we get jumps ahead a bit, a couple of years to 1947. Now Kathleen and Lewis are sitting in their kitchen, having a serious conversation about Charles. He never stopped skipping school and he was starting to get caught stealing far too often. Kathleen brought up foster homes, but it didn't seem like the first time and it didn't seem like they were finding any placements for foster homes anyway. And it was Lewis who brought up the Gibbolt school for boys in Terre Haute, Indiana as an option, where Gibo, Giboote, it looks French to me, which he thought would be good because not only was it a school for delinquents,

but it was also run by a bunch of scary-ass Catholic priests who would beat the shit out of you for even stepping out of the tiny bit out of line. So they decided to go for it, and meanwhile, Charles is sitting in the hall listening to them. In the next time slice, we can see young Charles sleeping under a bridge in rural Indiana, having just fled the boys' school on foot, and it being the only place he found for shelter. Eventually, he makes his way all the way home, and his mother seems absolutely gutted to see him when he walks in and sends him right back to school. But we do have another slice from Christmas of that year in 1947, where we can see him back

at his aunt and uncle's house in West Virginia. So maybe she took pity on him a little bit after all. But we know that Charles was back at Indianapolis again after just 10 months, because we also have a slice from 1948 where we see Charles committing his first real crime which is robbing a grocery store out of hunger. However, you can see, you watch the slides, you can see he's able to actually find in that grocery store,

a cigar box full of cash that's up in a back office somewhere with more than a hundred bucks inside. And again, this is 1948, which is more than enough. Yeah. I'm just curious what the translation is. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's more than enough for not just food, but also like a room. So that's, that's remember if you ever see somebody stealing food, no, you don't. Uh, that would be around 13, a little over $1,300 a hundred bucks in 1948. That's not bad. Yeah. That's not bad at all. Uh, we know that for a while, uh, while he worked delivering messages at a Western Union, because

it says so on Wikipedia, but in the next time slice we get, which is from 1949, a little later, we see him in court again, being sentenced to the Boys Town juvenile facility in Omaha, Nebraska as an act of sympathy, according to the judge. Unfortunately, though, for everybody, that sympathy seems to have been misplaced as the next really long slice, from four days after he first reports to Boys Town, shows Charles and his school buddy Blackie Nielsen taking a gun, using it to steal a car, and then driving all the way from Omaha to Peoria, Illinois, and committing two robberies using the gun on the way.

That means armed robberies. Charles is not sure about the plan, but Blackie keeps swearing over and over that his uncle is a legit working thief and that they'll stay with him and he'll teach them how to do things right. In the next time slice, which is from just two weeks later, he's caught robbing a store in Peoria. And when he gets arrested, he's connected to the other two robberies that they did on the way to Peoria. And now, at just, again, he's 13 fucking years old right now. He's sent to the even stricter Indiana Boys School, which is a reform school near Plainfield,

where he's repeatedly beaten and raped by other inmates from which he escapes and is recaptured 18 times over the next three years. Jesus, this is where he learns that acting crazy can keep people off his back, and that he different people want different things and he tries to give it to them. In the next time slice, which is from a few years later in February of 1951, we now see a 16 year old Charles Manson getting arrested at a roadblock in Utah that was set up to catch him and two other boys on their way to California in a chain of stolen cars, which they have driven flagrantly across various state lines, which is no-blains.

The next slice shows Charles receiving an IQ test from his caseworker at the National Training School for Boys in Washington, DC, who calls him, quote, aggressively antisocial. The next slice is from eight months later, in October of 1951, when he is visited by his aunt at the Natural Bridge Minimum Security Honor Camp in Virginia, which he's been transferred to. She's telling him that she told the people in charge that he could stay with her and get a good, real job, and that he had a parole hearing scheduled for the following February, which was just in four months.

The next slice is from three months later, one month before the parole hearing in January of 1952, when Charles is caught raping another boy at Knife Point. The next slice from the following year, 1953, is another one of him raping a fellow prisoner, this time at the Federal Reformatory in Petersburg, Virginia, which does not bode well and gets him transferred again to a different maximum security reformatory in Ohio, where he was meant to stay locked away till his 21st birthday, which would be in November of 1955. But the next slice that we see is Charlie walking back in the front door of his aunt and uncle's house in West Virginia again in May of 1954, after getting

out on good behavior, despite more reports of antisocial behavior and psychic trauma from various stuff. The next slice is from just over a year later, still not from after he would have been out of jail in July of 1955, and Charles and his newly pregnant new wife, a hospital waitress called. Congratulations to the happy couple. Yeah, she's a hospital waitress. I don't even know what that is called. Rosie Jean Willis, I guess a waitress. Do you need a waitress in a hospital? Maybe she just brings hospital food to patients. I guess that that's a job I don't know if it is now I mean maybe there's a cafeteria in the hospital and she's a waitress in the cafeteria you said we are serving like the doctors and stuff yeah maybe yeah okay maybe maybe

doctors yeah I know anyway her name is please educate me if I'm being insensitive a hospital waitress called Rosie Jean Willis, who he married that January, and they are arriving in Los Angeles in another stolen car. And Charles is again immediately arrested for taking a stolen car across state lines. He never does figure out the rules on this, I don't think. I don't think it. Yeah, I don't think even if he did, wouldn't matter. Stolen cars fuck his life up so much more than he probably

wanted them to. It's crazy. In the next slice, we see him once again in front of a judge being given five years probation in consideration of his psychiatric violation. I'm sorry, his psychiatric evaluation. And in another slice from March of 1956, we see he briefly returns to Indianapolis, where he is again immediately arrested due to a failure to appear on another driving stolen vehicles across state lines charge from Florida, and he had his probation revoked. So now no more probation. And in the next slice, he reports to Terminal Island, which is a federal prison in my beautiful hometown of San Pedro, California, home of the Port of Los Angeles, for a three-year

stay. His baby with Rosie, Charles Manson Jr., is born just a few weeks later after he's in jail. He doesn't get to see it born on April 10, 1956. The next slice that we have is from almost a year later in March of 1957. Rosie has been living together with Manson's mom in LA somewhere.

And so from time to time, they come by and see Charles and say hello, but today is different because it's just his mom. And she tells him that Rosie's not gonna be coming by anymore and that she's living with another dude now And then we jump over a year later to the next slice which is from November of 1958 where Charles newly divorced is now out one night sitting down with the wealthy parents of a 16 year old girl that he pimped out earlier that evening and he's dealing these parents their cut of the profits. Ah, the 50s and 60s.

I miss those eras. That's what people want to go back to. Make America like that again. A fucking heinous time. In the next time slice, Charles is in court again the following September 1959, and the judge is in the process of suspending a 10-year sentence brought against him from when he tried to forge a U. a US Treasury check for $37.50, which is a little bit more than it seems like, but not that much. Apparently, sex worker Leona

Rae Candy Stevens recently made a quote, tearful plea before the court. And she said that they were going to be married, which they actually did before the end of the year, which did get his sentence suspended. So she wouldn't have to tend. and a lot of people think that she did it just so that she wouldn't have to testify against him in court, which might be true. In the next slice, though, we've got Manson in June of 1960 getting arrested again for possibly pimping out his wife and another lady in Texas, which happens to be in violation of the man act, which is just like the car law that we've been talking about, except you can also not take sex workers across

state lines. But that never stuck. And in the next slice, we see him back in court again, this time getting sent back to LA and ordered to serve that original 10 year sentence for the bad check, because, you know, he fucked up now. And this time, the same judge who gave him the probation last time says, quote, if there ever was a man who demonstrated himself completely unfit for probation, he is it. Crazy. He was correct. Yeah, complete 180 on that. And that judge looks real good today. In the next slice, we see Manchin Manson arriving at the US Penitentiary at McNeil Island, Washington, in July of

1961. Now, now we're in the 60s. Pretty hardcore. He lists his religion as Scientology on the intake forms. Perfect. Pretty, which I did not know before researching this episode. In a short slice, we see Manson getting guitar lessons from a man later identified as gang leader Creepy Carpus. In a slice from Absolutely phenomenal name. Stop it.

Creepy Carpus? I'm sorry. That's a Twitch streamer. That could be a streamer. He's real. It's gotta be. I'm sorry. Creepy Carpus is a real guy. In a slice from September of 1961, an administrator writes that Manson, quote, Jesus, my headphones flew off, writes that Manson, quote, appears to have developed a certain amount of insight

into his problems through his study of this discipline, which is an interesting thing to say about guitar lessons. In a slice we almost missed, a hand whose identity can't be agreed upon in the image is handing Charles the information of Universal Studios producer Phil Kaufman. Pretty crazy. In another one, Manson is being hypnotized during some sort of study session. And the only other inmate that can be identified in the room is legendary American movie star, taco baron and donut lord Danny

Trejo. Another slice from that summer. His mother is now a waitress in Washington nearby, picking up her tick tips after a particularly long shift. So she actually followed him to Washington. So because he went he now he's in jail in Washington. So she wants to be nearby. So she's now working and living in Washington. And it is here that we take a pause from all the slices, just for a second, to talk a little bit more about Charles Manson's special connection to music. Just because I think in the long run,

it's gonna be kind of important. There's a quote from Tom O'Neill about this period, which adds some interesting details to the picture. He says, quote, "'Stuck in prison for the long haul, Manson took up the guitar and dabbled in Scientology. The staff noted his gift for charismatic storytelling and his enduring personality problems. He made no secret of his musical aspirations.

From behind bars, he observed, with great interest and envy, the meteoric rise of the Beatles." And there's another bit about the Beatles from Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi that goes, quote, According to former inmates at McNeil, Manson's bit about the Beatles from Manson prosecutor Vincent Bulyosi that goes, quote, According to former inmates at McNeil, Manson's interest in the Beatles was almost an obsession. It didn't necessarily follow that he was a fan. There was more than a little jealousy in his reaction. He told numerous people that, given the chance, he could be much bigger than the Beatles. One person he told this to was Alvin Creepy Karpus, lone survivor of the Ma Barker gang.

Manson had struck up a friendship with the aging gangster after learning he could play the steel guitar. Karpus taught Manson how. Again, an observable pattern. Manson managed to get something from almost everyone with whom he associated. So to support that, we found a slice from September of 1961 when an administrator notes in Manson's annual review that he has a quote, tremendous drive to call attention to himself. And then three years later, in September of 1964, he writes the exact same fucking thing again. Do you think Manson is one of those people that if he existed in our time, he would have the internet in a way like YouTube and things that he would have be able to in his own way, put his shit out there and wouldn't have necessarily gone down the insane path he went down.

If he had access to the internet when all things went to hell and he could just still put his shit out on like TikTok or YouTube or whatever. I think that in the 60s, what Manson got in the way of validation, as you will soon see, is like, as if in today's world, if I got a fucking recording contract with Columbia fucking records. Okay. Yeah, I know you're trying to say like, for real, though, in the next couple of slices that we have that are from two years later in 1966, he gets more specific with his assessment of Manson's self-grandiosity or whatever. He writes in May of 1966 that Manson continues, there's a quote, Manson continues to maintain a clear conduct record. Recently, he has been spending most of

his free time writing songs, accumulating about 80 or 90 of them during the past year, which he ultimately hopes to sell following release. He also plays guitar and drums, and is hopeful that he can secure employment as a guitar player or as a drummer or singer. He shall need a great deal of help in the transition from institution to the free world. And then that same guy in August writes, again in another slice, Manson is about to complete his 10-year term. He has a pattern of criminal behavior and confinement that dates to his teen years.

This pattern is one of instability whether in free society or a structured institutional community. Little can be expected in the way of change in his attitude, behavior, or mode of conduct. According to Bouliosi, quote, this last report noted that Manson had no further interest in academic or vocational training, that he was no longer an advocate of Scientology, that he has come to worship his guitar and music, and finally, he has no plans for release,

as he says he has nowhere to go. And then we get a two-year gap in the slices, and then the next time slice comes from March 21st, 1967, back at Terminal Island in San Pedro, when despite asking the powers that be if he could just stay in prison forever, he is released once again into the natural ecosystem to grow, develop and evolve, which he very literally does. The next portion of this timeline is set mostly in the rest of that year, 1967, when Charles Manson sheds his fresh from jail vibes and

becomes a crusty flesh wizard type guy called Charlie Manson in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco. And it contains, by far, the highest concentration of time slices taken by the BioTime camera. But not to worry, we think that we now know the reason for this. And since it won't impact this portion of the story, we're going to circle around back to that part of it next week, since it all kind of has to do with one specific thing. So for now, to get us through his life story real quick, we're going to quickly look at just three slices

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called Lynette Frome, whom he'd later call squeaky because of the noises that she makes when she's groped by older men, the San Francisco apartment that she'll now be living in with him and another woman called Mary Brunner, who was a library assistant at UC Berkeley, who he pressured to just let him move in with her. So he's already living with somebody who let him move in, and he's bringing into that house with a girl another girl. Mary doesn't seem too happy about it, but she doesn't want to disagree with Charlie, and eventually just clams up and deals with it. That's the first slice that we see in San Francisco. The second slice from San Francisco that we'll look at is from a few months later, in June of 1967,

at the same apartment where Manson was now living with 18 different women. He had just come home from recording both sides of a single that was going to be pressed to 45s by Uni Records under MCA, a major label subsidiary, under the artist named Silverhorn. So he didn't need social media. He was about to put out a record that had two songs on it, Look at Your Game Girl and Eyes of a Dreamer, and receives a half hearted blowjob in his apartment from someone we can't see while smoking a half joint that he finds in an ashtray on the table by the kitchen window. So that's the second slice from San Francisco. And the third slice that we see is

Manson laying in the back of an old painted school bus, traveling along the Malibu coast down from San Francisco on some beautiful rugs and pillows that he and his family, as he calls them, have swapped in to the bus for some of the seats that they ripped out. He smokes two full joints on the bus, writhing around on the ground and grabbing at a pile of young women who are all tripping out on LSD with him on the bus, writhing around on the ground and grabbing at a pile of young women who are all tripping out on LSD with him on the bus. So those are the three, that's a Simba walking on the bridge in a Cuna Matata of Manson in

San Francisco that will get us through that point in his life. I'm sure we'll talk about it, but like the whole thing with all of his ladies, like LSD was so heavily involved in all of that. It was crazy. Yes. They did more and more and more and more drugs over time, as you'll see. So basically he becomes the Charlie of legend at this point, the one that we are thinking about when we think of Charles Manson. And now that you get the general idea,

let's put a pin in the San Francisco years for a minute. And we'll head to the next part of my notes, which is labeled the golden penetrators. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first time slice that we have in this section is from April 6th, 1968, and it is cinematic as fuck. It features Dennis Wilson from the Beach Boys,

who is currently just like a 2025 influencer type vibes guy. He's 23. He has a shitload of money. The band is not hot like it was when they started because he was like a young guy at that point. And now he's aged a bit, even though he's just 23. He's chilling kind of down off two divorces with the same girl, which were in part caused by his violent temper and physically abusive treatment of his wife, who's called Carol by the way. And she and the two kids that he has at 23 are living elsewhere, while he's got a Spanish style mansion in the Pacific Palisades that used to be Will Rogers' hunting lodge. And so it's huge, and it's got 31 rooms, and it's got a pool that is in the shape of

California in it. And it's all decked out with like weird, sad bachelor vibes, decorations and bunk beds as he's like weird depression groove, like fuck pad. Love it. So that's what he's doing. There's like a lot of red and zebra print. It's a bad look. Anyway, today, it's just a truly heinous visual aesthetic. Uh, he's driving his Ferrari today down PCH on April 6, and he runs into these two hot hitchhikers. Patty Cranwinkel and Ella Jo Bailey are their names, and he picks them up and he takes them where they're going. Nothing too crazy,

except he clearly thinks these girls are smoking hot and flirts with them quite a lot while they drive. It's very similar to the scene in the film with Brad Pitt and Andy McDowell's daughter can't remember her name. She's Margaret Wiley. Yes, thank you. There you go. The substance in the next slice. I haven't seen you mean Death Stranding. You mean mama and death strand death strand mama death stranding I know that run. I know that one. I know that one.

And hopefully Rogue and the X-Men, if internet rumors are to be believed. She loves to bite her lip according to the internet. Yes, she does. In the next slice, from five days later, on April 11th, 1968, Dennis sees them again. The same two girls, but this time he takes them home and he's chilling with these babes in his crib having quote, milk and cookies, as Dennis calls it with them. And he's rolling around and he's telling them about his guru, the Maharishi and stuff like you do in 1968. That's the same guy who chilled with the Beatles and with the Rolling Stones, that Maharishi and a bunch of other

famous people too. And they get kind of animated and they start telling them about their, him about their guru, who is called Charlie Manson. And they start telling them about their him about their guru, who's called Charlie Manson. And Dennis wonders if it's the same Charlie Manson that he met in San Francisco that one time, but he doesn't say that out loud. And I just know that because I know that he was thinking that because I know a lot about this. And that is not in the time slice. That is just a little editorial part that I put in there to let you know how Dennis was thinking. Then, for a huge portion of the time slice that we see there with Dennis in his house,

it just follows him again. He just gets back in his car. He goes to a recording session for a while, which is a cool part of the time slice, if you like to watch the Beach Boys, but has nothing to do with the story. And then it also follows him back home again to his rad car. And then he drives his rad car home to Malibu

and up into the Palisades. And when he gets there, there's this big black bus in his driveway now, which is kind of weird. And this tiny little guy, Charlie Manson is actually there at his house now. And I do mean a little guy. Dennis looks very surprised to see that Charlie Manson is literally just five foot two inches tall. He's a little man. He's a little angry man. And there's suddenly like topless babes all over the place on the premises.

And nobody seems to know if it's chill. So Charlie just literally like gets down on his hands and knees and starts kissing Dennis Wilson's feet. And then everything gets chill. And that's kind of weird. Tom O'Neill's got a bit of a quote about this period that goes this night ushered in a summer of ceaseless partying for Wilson. Manson and the family set up shop in his home, and soon Manson

recruited one of the group's deadliest members, Tex Watson, who picked him up hitchhiking. The family spent their days smoking dope and listening to Charlie strum the guitar. Not dope, dude. The girls made the meals, did the laundry and slept with the men on command. Manson prescribed sex seven times a day before and after all three meals and once in the middle of the night. Listen, I listen, I love sex is great.

Yeah. Seven times a day. Time out, time out, time out, time out, time out. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm trying to do the math. Before and after every meal, you said? Yeah. And once in the middle of the night. Do they just eat burnt or cold food the entire time? I dude, I don't look, I don't think it's the same people fucking and cooking. I don't know.

I just don't know. Well, I don't know. I think it's like we're talking about a lot of people. All right. Yeah. I don't know. Seven times a day every day, dude. What? I'm tired thinking about it. Tex Watson later wrote of this time, quote, it was as if we were kings just because we were men. Which is a great quote. Soon, Wilson was bragging.

What do you think of it? Like that is like a ridiculously funny quote. Yeah. Soon, Wilson was bragging so much. It's like a Dennis Reynolds quote. Literally, literally. Dennis Reynolds is a perfect archetype for Tex Watson, but by the way, the names are so good. Yeah. Soon, Wilson was bragging so much about his lifestyle that he landed a headline in Record Mirror magazine. Quote, I live with 17 girls talking to Britain's rave magazine.

Wilson offered disjointed remarks about his new friends who he called the wizard. He's quoted as saying, I was only frightened as a child because I didn't understand the fear, he said. Sometimes the wizard frightens me. The wizard is Charles Manson, who is a friend of mine who thinks he is a god and the devil. He sings, plays and writes poetry and maybe another artist for Brother Records, which is the Beach Boys label. The last bit excited Manson, who was desperate to leverage his connection with Wilson into a music career. And during this time, at a Dennis Wilson party that summer, with increasingly too many drugs, as we were saying, that we don't have a real time slice of that, Manson is first introduced to one of Wilson's best friends in the industry, who is the birds producer, Terry Melcher, who also

happens to be the son of Doris Day, the famous actress. Though I do have a time slice from a few years earlier where Dennis and Terry Melcher and their other friend Greg Jacobson are deciding that from now on they were a bunch of quote roving coxmen and that they were going to start referring referring to themselves in private as the quote golden penetrators and that they were going to paint one of their cars gold and fuck as many bitches as humanly possible. We're not positive because the slice gets a little grainy at this point, but it seems like maybe they high five altogether right after. Yeah. Right. And then they all look down and they all have boners.

I think that is my penetrators. Yeah. Sucks. It's like the, it's like the Toby Maguire boys. What were they called? The golden penetrator. Like it sucks. That's like the it's like the toby maguire boys. What were they called the golden penetrant like it that sucks That's like the pussy something a group of high school boys would say about themselves Yeah, if they're rich and they don't understand that that's what's happening that the money is what's pulling the ladies That's that's exactly what they would do But yeah, they they look down they all have boners and they all smile. In the series of slices that were collected from the summer of 1968, that year, we can regularly see clips of Charles Manson and his girls

in Brian Wilson's private studio with the Beach Boys, Mike Dennis and Carl, who's co-producing the sessions with Brian Wilson, spending about a hundred hours altogether over a couple months, which is altogether quote, a pretty fair session, putting down about 10 songs onto tape. According to Dennis, he destroyed these tapes because quote, the vibrations connected with them don't belong on this earth. According to Mike Love, though, the only guy who's still alive, they're still around on eight track tape somewhere, but they may never see the light of day though.

These days in crazy world with everybody who was there, but Mike now dead, who knows? According to people who have heard these sessions, they were likely not demos, but rather like full beach boys, like caliber album quality recordings with both Charlie and his choir of starving girls featuring. Oh boy.

Sidebar out of nowhere, why does this story have like Anne Rice vibes? Are you feeling that? I'm feeling it. I see what you're saying. I don't know why it has, it has like Anne Rice vibes in a way. I don't know. In another slice from that same summer, we are able to confirm that one night, Dennis Wilson drives Terry Melcher from a party back to his house in Laurel Canyon, which at the time, he is renting from music industry guy Rudy Altabelli at 10050 Cielo Drive, and that Charles

Manson is sitting quietly in the backseat while this happens, scoping out the house from the driveway that summer. And another slice from June of 1968, we see Dennis Wilson's accountant warning him that he has now spent almost $100,000 on these fucking hippies, and all the food and clothes and booze and drugs and car repairs and gonorrhea treatments are going to leave his family with nothing. Eventually, Wilson just pieces out in the middle of the night to move into a beach house in Malibu with his buddy Greg from the Golden Penetrators and lets the landlord evict Manson, who proceeds to steal basically everything in the house that isn't bolted down and leaves a single bullet with Dennis Wilson's housekeeper as a threat. This is not great for Dennis Wilson's mental health.

In another time slice from August of 1968, a couple months later, we see Charles Manson having a meeting with a nearly blind 81 year old cowboy called George Spahn in the offices of the Spahn movie ranch. This ranch, which made its name serving as a set for Western TV shows and movies since the late 1940s, originally comes onto Charlie's radar thanks to one of his most famous girls called Susan Sadie Atkins, or Sexy Sadie, or Sadie Mae Glutz, who originally clocks its potential as a place to live late the previous year. She also has the same last name of one of the people who originally owned the ranch in the 20s. Don't know if that is

actually related or not. I can't find out anything about it, but we'll hear more about her later. And by the way, just so you guys know about the weird naming thing and why everybody seems so amorphous all the time, Charlie had a very specific practice of always, and if you think about chaos magic and how this could kind of figure

into that type of thinking, Charlie always calls people by a lot of different names that are very different from each other as a way of like obscuring the truth of situations and confusing reality to kind of like help keep them all out of jail so often and kind of like making things a little bit harder to talk about and share. So if you need like a picture guide to help keep them straight, there's a million online, but I don't think it's going to matter too much for us today. According to what we can glean from this slice though, all the buildings were just empty frame, like movie set type structures that had all

been falling apart. So there's like no insides to the building. They're all just like facades and they've all been deserted since the early sixties and are literally like collapsing. And so in return for like cleaning the place up. Yeah. Real quick. Cause I had to look this up too. Like I was saying, all the eight girls in Hollywood were in this damn movie. Susan Atkins played by Mikey Madison. Yeah, there you go. Academy award. Please tell me the name of Harley Quinn. What is her goddamn name? Harley Quinn, the fucking main actress in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I can't like she's so famous. Everybody

listening is screaming at their goddamn monitors right now. I have no idea who you're talking to. The main character of the movie once One time in Hollywood. Oh my god. Oh, yeah Margot are no that's Margot Robbie Robbie Robbie. Yes Margot Robbie from Elden Ring Okay, so She messes up their names all the buildings are empty movie frame sets They're falling apart in return for like just cleaning up the ranch and doing chores and cooking and cleaning for George.

By the way, squeaky, the girl who squeaked Dakota Fanning. Yeah, exactly. They're all like literally, they were just like, good territory. It was like, all right, everyone wants somebody wants. And is a, is Elvis. It's a, the dude from dune. It's a, the guy that Brad Pitt beats the shit out of that day. Sidney Sweeney, Maya Hock, they're all, the man was just like, let me select the next level of actress in Hollywood. Yeah. Which is kind of fucked up for the Manson girls because the Manson girls

were like, kind of like completely emaciated, like sickly. Oh, you look them up. The first photos you see are genuinely jarring. Yeah. So I don't know if anybody had sex with George Spahn to like seal this deal all the time. Some people say they did. Some people say they don't.

Squeaky says they didn't, but they all cooked and cleaned for each other. Squeaky gave George special attention and like hung out with him and like did things with him around his house and And digital maybe like sexy little flirts with him and stuff. But I really don't think they had sex with him or anything. But he totally let them live at the ranch for free other than these services that they provided for him and his

range. In the slices we have from on and around that day, some of the most prominent members of the family that you can see walking around and doing things are Lynette squeaky from Big Patty Krenwinkel Ella Joe Yeller stone Bailey Bobby Cupid Beausoleil mother Mary Brunner Steve Clem Grogan Bruce Davis Ruth and Morehouse aka wish Leslie Lulu Van Houten Paul Alan Watkins Leslie Lulu Van Houten, Paul Allen Watkins, Charles Tex Watson, and Catherine Gypsy share.

There are many other people who come and go that are associated with the family, but those are the big names that you'll see popping up throughout this story. In the next slice that I have at Gold Star Studios in Hollywood on August 8th, 1968, Charlie Manson is in a session recording what will eventually become his only album,

Lie, The Love and Terror Cult, which somebody is paying for, probably Phil Kaufman from Universal Studios, whose information he got in jail, but we don't know. Overdubs happened the next day. Vincent Buiosi actually heard some of these tapes and said of them, quote, "'My own admittedly

unprofessional appraisal was that Manson was no worse than many performers in current vogue. However, Charlie's musical ability was not my major concern. Both Atkins and DiCarlo had said that the words Helter Skelter appeared in at least one of Manson's own songs. I'd asked both. Are you sure he wasn't just playing the Beatles song Helter Skelter? No, each had replied. This was Charlie's own composition. So that's something that they heard about. The next slice that we have is from September 9th, 1968 at Abbey Road Studios in London, where the Beatles record 18 consecutive five minute takes of the song Helter Skelter, which Paul McCartney wrote out to make a louder and more screaming song than the Who said they were making.

And that was his only goal. And the last one is the one that they went with that day, the last recording of the 18 that they went with. Later, McCartney said that he was, quote, using the symbol of a Helter Skelter as a ride from the top to the bottom, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. And this was the fall, the demise." So that's what he said about Helter Skelter, which is interesting because it kind of goes along with what Charlie kind of said later.

And the next slice, which is from two days later on September 11th, 1968, shows Charlie sitting in the Beach Boys' private studio again, which he now knows quite well because he's been there all summer recording a fucking album with Brian and Carl Wilson, and he's watching one of the most popular rock bands ever to do it, the Beach Boys, record a version of his own song that he wrote called Cease to Exist. They are covering Charles Manson. In the next slice, sitting together on the counter of Tower Records in Sacramento on December 2nd, 1968, just a few months later, is a copy of the brand new Beach Boys single, Bluebirds Over the Mountain, which has their

version of Charlie Seized to Exist, which they renamed to Never Learn Not to Love as a B-side and they just changed a couple lyrics, which actually pissed Charlie off quite a bit. Right next to a fresh copy of The Beatles' instant classic, the officially self-titled White Album, and on side three of that album is the song Helter Skelter. They were both Right next to a fresh copy of The Beatles' instant classic, the officially self-titled white album, and on side three of that album is the song Helter Skelter. They were both on sale within a month of each other. And the next time slice, it's New Year's Eve, 1968, and we're at a place called Myers Ranch

in Death Valley, California, where Charlie and the family have recently been spending more time as their paranoia levels have recently been spiked, thanks to, as best we can tell, the constant LSD orgies and speed that everybody kept doing every fucking day of their goddamn lives, though we're not exactly sure. That's probably it though. Not healthy for you, huh? Yeah. Either way though, at this point in their self-driven narrative, they're stealing cars,

especially VW Beetles, converting them into dune buggies, entrenching and fortifying their location, and even stockpiling weapons in preparation for something insane that Charlie says is supposedly coming to pass sooner rather than later, and which to his credit seems to legitimately both excite him and scare the ever-loving shit out of him sometimes. And this is his strange New Age philosophies, his obsession with the Beatles, his disdain for the social order and his love of control all rolled into one crazy idea. And tonight, on New Year's Eve 1968, is the first time he refers to it

as he would almost manically from now on as Helter Skelter. According to Buiosi, Manson was an avid follower of the Beatles and believed that they were speaking to him through the lyrics of their songs. Helter Skelter, the title of one of the Beatles' songs, meant the black man rising up against a white establishment and murdering the entire white race. That is, with the exception of Manson and his chosen followers, who'd intended to escape from Helter Skelter by going to the desert and living in the Bottomless Pit, a place Manson derived from Revelation 9. Manson believed that once black people took over the world, they would lack the experience to effectively lead because they're used to being downtrodden, which is when, thankfully,

he and his people would emerge from the Bottomless pit and take over as the ultimate rulers of pretty much just like the entire Earth, man. World peace, but like kind of fascism, though. In Tom O'Neill's book, he elaborates on this insanity even further, explaining, quote, Watkins, a former family member, took to the stand to elaborate on Helter Skelter. The details were even more jarring. Watkins spoke of a big underground city, secreted away in a hole wide enough that you could drive a speedboat across it. From the Book of Revelation, the family knew the city would have no sun and no moon and a tree that bears 12 different kinds of fruit. Subsisting on that fruit in their subterranean Elysium, the family would multiply into 1,44,000.

As insane and illogical as it sounded, Bulliosi explained, Manson's followers subscribed to his prophecy of Armageddon as if it had been delivered from the Holy Mount. They were willing to kill for him to make it a reality. In the next time slice, from sometime in the early winter, we're not exactly sure what date, Charles Manson is angry, but also he's feeling genuinely like hurt feels and also a little bit cucked as Terry Melcher, the producer of the birds and Doris Day's son, stands him up at spawn ranch for an audition for a recording contract. Charlie got everything ready. He's stressed over making it nice,

got everybody dressed in his weird, gross, drugged out, evil, hippie fucked up, crusty way. And they rehearsed all the songs together and the girls like baked sweet cakes. Hell yes. And got everything all tight and extra good. And when he doesn't show up, Charlie swears vengeance on the man. As you do. Do you think Charles Manson did all this?

I'm going to leave a bullet. I'm going to swear vengeance, all these different things, mostly because he had to save face in front of all these women. I think it's because. Because like he's trying to like he's obviously he's a little like, but the idea of it being exacerbated because he is trying to be this like religious leader, this cult like figure, this like, I'm both the devil and your God to these women.

And then when he gets absolutely destroyed by people who are like to him, nobodies, he has to save face in front of all these women he's sleeping with because otherwise he loses them. And don't forget, he's five foot two and he spent 17 years in jail trying to survive. Right. So like, there's also this sort of like, you got to be, you got to be tough more. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But according to Terry Melcher's obituary from 2004, it didn't end there. Quote, after attempting to record some of Manson's half-formed songs, Melcher said no.

They also discussed making a documentary highlighting Manson's music. Melcher abandoned the project after witnessing his subject becoming embroiled in a terrifying fight with a drunken stuntman at the ranch to which Manson and his family had repaired after being turfed out of Wilson's house. Shortly after this episode, Melcher sublet 10050 Cielo Drive to the film director Roman Polanski and his pregnant wife Sharon Tate. So that's from Terry Melcher's obituary. So that's from Terry Melcher's obituary. But the next slice that we have is back in the Sacramento Tower Records on February 10th, 1969, where a college kid is buying himself a copy of the new Beach Boys album 2020, because when he grabs it off the shelf, he sees that it has never learned not to love on it.

And he likes it because that B side was better than the A side he thought and now he's going to have it on a nice LP. So there's a Charles Manson song on a Beach Boys real full album. Next slice is from March 23rd, 1969. Charles Manson is walking up the driveway to 10050 Cielo Drive towards the main house and runs into the famous Iranian photographer

Sharro Khatami, who's there quickly taking pictures of his friend Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, before she leaves for Rome the next day. Manson tells Hattami that he's looking for Terry Melcher. Hattami tells him that he has the wrong house and that Terry doesn't live here anymore, but maybe he's talking about the guy staying in the guest house around back and waves him around. Manson wanders around the house, like outside for a second, and then leaves. But then later that evening, he comes back and head straight for the guest house this time, bypassing the main house entirely, only to find the owner of the whole house, Rudy Altabelli, who again, Terry's currently renting the main house from, still

towering off from a shower in the guest house. So this rich producer guy is out there in the back, toweling off. Manson asks him where Melcher is, and even though Rudy doesn't even open the screen door, he tells him that he knows Terry moved to Malibu, but that he doesn't know where. Also, he says he's leaving the country tomorrow, so Manson counters and says he'll find him again

when he gets back. And then it's like a Dr. Strange style dance of word magic, and Al-Tabeli says he's leaving for a fucking year and he tells him that he should really just stop disturbing his tenants and not come back fucking ever and forget about this. So Manson leaves. And in the next slice, sitting next to each other on a plane to Rome the next day, Sharon Tate asks Rudy Alta Belly if he's ever seen that quote creepy looking looking guy before. And he tells her he has seen him before, which is creepy. Then in a short time slice, it's July 1 1969. And Charlie is

watching a news report that somebody discovered the dumped body of a Black Panther member somewhere in LA. And he's kind of freaking out about a a little bit. Because today we know that, because earlier that, we know that, we know now in today's world that the reason that he is freaking out is because he was called in to personally settle a dispute between his guy, Tex, and some dude that he robbed in some kind of drug deal gone bad or something, this guy called Lotsa Papa,

huge black guy called Lotsa Papa. I love that fucking name. I think you're over him like a pizza place. Right. Lots of Papa says he and his boys are going to go kill every single person at Spahn Ranch. So Charlie asked Lots of Papa to meet him in an apartment that the family has in Hollywood and shoots him dead. At least he thinks so in cold blood.

So we've since discovered that Lots of Papaapa neither dies that night, nor does he belong to the Black Panthers, and the guy on TV was completely unrelated. But helter-skelter brain Charlie does not know this. And that night, he thinks he's in big trouble, so he starts up armed night patrols at the ranch and adds members of the scary-ass, buff-ass, straight Satan's motorcycle club to their group

as security in exchange for drugs and sex ASAP. And there is some scuttlebutt among the family that this event that happened where he shot Lotsa Papa. And again, everybody thinks that Lotsa Papa is dead. They think that this could be the catalyst that starts Helter Skelter itself. So in the next slice from like a couple of weeks later on July 25th, 1969, Manson is desperate and he's afraid. He hears word that his kind, hippie Buddhist friend Gary Hinman, who has always been a friend to him and to Bobby Beausoleil, has come into a sudden inheritance of $21,000.

And basically, today, out of nowhere, he just fucking decides that he should have that money instead of Gary Hinman. And that maybe to test his little squad that he's got going, he's going to send family members Bobby Bocille, Mary Brunner, and Susan Atkins to just like, go and take this man's money. So later that night in another slice, after hearing that Hinman says there's no inheritance, Charlie himself jumps in another car with Bruce Davis to come and see what's up.

Eventually Manson ends up drawing a fucking saber on Gary Hinman and rather theatrically slices his fucking ear right in half in front of everybody. And he and Davis leave, but not before he tells Bobby and the girls to stay until Hinman gives up and tells them where the money is. So for over the course of two more days from July 25th to July 27th, we have various slices of Susan and Mary helping each and asking him where the money is, and finally stabbing Hinman to death on what would later claim to be Manson's instructions. Pretty crazy shit. So to sell the illusion of this coming race war held through Skelter, which seems so obviously real to all of them apparently, they write the phrase political piggy on the wall in this guy's blood along with a rough and barely recognizable black panther symbol though it's clear from how it looks that no one involved will be fooled by it for a second it

looks shit it looks shit and they should feel ashamed of themselves and then the next time slice on august 6th of 1968 Bobby Beausoleil I sorry, is it 1969? Bobby Boucher, yes. Yeah, Bobby Boucher. No, on August 6, 1969, Bobby Bosley is arrested driving in Gary Hinman's car with the murder weapon hidden in the tire well. So he goes straight to jail. This next part comes from many slices, but with big ups to Tom O'Neill and Wikipedia especially.

On August 8th, 1969, Souders and Atkins and Patty Krenwinkel and Tex Watson and a newcomer Linda Casabian, aka Yana the Witch, pile into a yellow 1959 Ford headed towards Beverly Hills. One of them screams, quote, We're're gonna get some fucking pigs into the night. All of them are dressed completely in black. A lot of the 40 minute car ride up into Benedict Canyon that night is silent. They seem to be thinking carefully about what Charlie has asked them to do before they left.

All four of them fingering their buck knives in their sweaty palms. I'm glad that's where you went with that. Yeah, I love that descriptor. And quietly, the yellow car pulls up to 10050 Cielo Drive. It's just after midnight and Tex reminds them all what Charlie said. Totally destroy everyone and do it as gruesome as you can. Just before they arrive, 18-year-old Stephen Parent, having failed at selling a clock radio

to this guy he met, William Gerritsen, who just happens to also be the new caretaker living in the guest house that night at Cielo Drive. This guy's walking back out to his dad's white rambler with his radio and sticks it in there and stuff and gets in the car. Tex was a boy scout and a football captain when he was young in high school, so it was easy for him to climb the pole by the gate and slice through the phone lines so that nobody could call 911. It was like, he's been there before. We know

now that he has been there before. Because hindsight's 2020. Instead of activating the security gate, they walk up the embankment to the side of the gate and hop over the much lower walls at that height and onto the other side. So they just kind of like go up a wall and go over the wall lower walls at that height and onto the other side. So they just kind of like go up a wall and go over the wall. They go up like a hill and go over a wall basically. The gate really seems to be more of a four cars situation.

It is not hard for them to get over this gate. Linda Kasabian, the newcomer is too spooked. She decides to stay behind. She's not feeling it. When the other three get to the top of the driveway, they run into Stephen Parent, the kid, who is already rolled down the window of his white rambler to activate the gate controls to get out of the house.

Tex walks up to him slowly, wrong place, wrong time, reaches for his.22 Buntline revolver, levels it at Stephen's face. Stephen doesn't realize what he's looking at at first, but then he raises his hands up and screams, please don't hurt me, I won't say anything. Then Tex slashes through his left hand with a knife so hard that it goes cleanly through his watch band, and then shoots him four times with a revolver, twice in the body, once in the arm, once in the cheek,

killing him instantly. Somehow, knowing in either house, here's the shots. The intruders search for any open window or unlocked doors, and finding none, Tex takes his knife and slices through the screen on the dining room window, then walks through the mostly dark house to the front door, which he then quietly unlocks to let the other girls in. A man is asleep on the couch in the living room with a painfully on

the nose American flag draped right across it. We now know that this is 32-year-old Wojciech Fajkowski, one of Roman Polanski's Polish director artist friends, who's led a sort of dark, depressed life in America after the horrors of World War II, and we can also confirm he has just come up out of a 10-day mescaline trip, so he is not in a good spot. He gets up pretty comfy, mistaking them for friends and rubbing his eyes and asks them what time is it? Tex sticks a gun in his face and says be quiet, don't move or you're dead. Ferkowski gets serious and he says who are you? What are you doing here? The danger is starting to like dawn on him. I'm the devil, Tex says, and I'm here to do the devil's business. He kicks

Wojciech right in the head. Susan grabs a towel from the linen closet and ties his hands as best as she can. And she begins to look around the house to see who else is around for her to round up. The first person that she sees through a half open bedroom door is Wojciech's girlfriend of four months, 25-year-old coffee heiress Abigail Folger of the Folger family fortune, who is reading a book. Accustomed to strange visitors at all hours of the night

who may or may not be there to party or do drugs or whatever, Abigail just smiles and waves at Susan, and Susan just smiles and waves back and keeps walking. In the next bedroom, she finds 35-year-old straight male celebrity hairdresser, Jay Sebring, sitting on the bed and talking to an extremely pregnant 26 year old Sharon Tate. Before she married Roman Polanski,

who is off making his new movie Day of the Dolphin in London, which never comes out because he gets distracted by something. Can't imagine what Jay and Sharon used to date. But now they're just really good close friends. Probably. It seems like they just continued to hang out even after one of them got married and were just very close friends all through their lives. Susan goes back to Tex, tells him about the other people in the house. She reties Wojciech's hands with a piece of nylon rope and one by one ushers everybody

else into the living room at knife point saying quote, come with me, don't say a word or you're dead. All four of them are now extremely scared and are begging to be let go and offering them help. And they're offering them money or whatever it is they're looking for. Abigail even gets up and goes back to a room to get 70 bucks, which she gives them. But Tex just has Sharon, Abigail and Jay lay face down in the fireplace area in front of the fireplace and Sharon starts to cry. And Tex tells her to shut up and ties Jay's hands behind his back and then around his neck and then he loops the same rope around Sharon's neck too and then around Abigail's neck too

and then around a beam on the ceiling. This point, Jay is starting to get pretty upset at their treatment of Sharon, especially because she's pregnant and because she's his best friend and he cares a lot about her and is probably in love with her. When he moves towards her, Watson, just no hesitation, shoots him right in the fucking lungs. Jay immediately crumples to the floor, falls down.

Tex falls on him, starts stabbing the shit out of him on the ground, and since they're all tied together, the other two girls are now standing on their tippy toes so they don't choke to death. Tex stands up and kicks Jay in the head again and then tells Patty to turn off the lights. Sharon asks, what are you going to do with us? And Tex says, you're all going to die. Just then, Bojcek gets his hands free from the tie, first goes towards Susan, but she's

able to stab her knife into his legs over and over as they just like grapple on the floor and he like pulls on her hair and shit. And there's a lot of blood now everywhere because of all the knife wounds. And somehow in the confusion, Susan loses her knife and Wojciech makes a break for the front door. He makes it out to the lawn before Tex shoots him twice and then tackles him and then beats him so many times on the ground with his gun that his

skull cracks. It looks to be 13 times in the autopsy. Next, Abigail gets loose from the rope and runs down the hall and through side door and she too gets halfway across the lawn before Patty catches her with a knife and stabs her 28 times. And then Tex shows up, he also gets involved and Abigail basically just goes limp and says,

quote, I give up. I'm already dead. Take me. Jesus Christ. Then Voight takes up again, but he gets stabbed to death too, a grand total of 51 times, sometimes with wounds that went through sheer bone and cartilage. Back in the house, Susan is watching Sharon Tate,

who's on the floor begging for her life and her baby's life, but Susan is unmoved. She says, quote, woman, I have no mercy for you. And then she locks her arms around Sharon's neck and says, you're going to die and I don't feel anything about it. And then her in text stab Sharon 16 times until she dies. And Susan dips her fingers in the blood and tastes it and likes it. Text says Charlie wants them to quote, write something that would shock the world. So she takes Sharon Tate's blood and writes pig on the front door of the house. Then they all get back in the car together and drive home and go to bed.

Then the next morning and for months after every paper in the country and hundreds across the globe overflow with talk of blood orgies and ritual killings and strange religious overtones and Satanists and wild drugs and brutal violence and weird parties and all that shit. But that night, August 9th, one day later, it starts all over again, as the crew of four from the previous night are now joined by Clem Grogan, Leslie Van Houten, and Charlie Manson himself. They all pile together into that same yellow car, and for three uneventful hours, they slowly prowl around the streets and highways of Southern California, looking

for more victims, until eventually Charlie leads them to a house at 3301 Waverly Drive in Los Feliz, which happens to be next door to a different house that he had liked to crash at a couple years ago. They had no idea whose house this was, I don't think. First, Charlie goes in by himself with a pistol and a knife and spots 44-year-old grocery store owner, Leno Labianca, asleep on his couch with a newspaper open over his face and ties him up. And then he goes back to the bedroom and finds Leno's 38 year old wife Rosemary in the bedroom and ties her up to slipping pillowcases over both their heads as he goes. Then he goes back out to the car where he chooses Patty and Tex, adds the up to that point

nonviolent Leslie Van Houten to the group, and then tells them to go back inside and kill everybody in the house. They burst into the house. Tex sends the ladies to the bedroom as he starts stabbing Leno to death with a bayonet in the living room. And later he joins the ladies in the bedroom and finds Rosemary holding them off with a lamp that they tied her up with,

which she was able to grab onto and swing around like a weapon. He stabs her once with the bayonet, so she stops resisting and then goes back to Leno for a bit to finish him off and Patty and Leslie stab Rosemary to death. And then Tex takes his bayonet and carves the word war into Leno LaBianca's belly. While Tex rinses off a bit in the shower, Patty takes some blood and writes, rise and death to pigs on the wall in Leno's blood, mumbling something about

blaming it on the Panthers. And she's even writes a misspelling of helter skelter aka heel ter skelter in blood on the refrigerator door. She also leaves a steak knife jutting from Leno LaBianca's throat, which they don't even find until the autopsy later because it's under the pillowcase and a twin pronged carving fork with an ivory handle protruding from his stomach. In another time slice, on August 12, 1969, at a live press conference, the police deny any connection between these murders and say that any

apparent similarities between them are merely the work of a copycat. In the next slice, on August 16, 1969, we see as Polanski returns to the house with a photographer from Life magazine and the famous psychic Peter Hercose taking Polaroid pictures as they go, realizing more and more that they shouldn't have come with every step. And yet, Polanski still makes a point to hop up to the loft and grab a mysterious videotape that he seemingly knows to be hidden up there, right in front of two cops, and slips it into his pocket. Bouliosi has a soundbite from the psychic to the press later that night where he says, quote, three men killed Sharon Tate and the other four, and I know who they are.

I have identified the killers to the police and told them that these men must be stopped soon. Otherwise, they will kill again. The killers, he added, were friends of Sharon Tate turned into, quote, frenzy homicidal maniacs by massive doses of LSD. The killings, he said, he was quoted as saying erupted during the black magic ritual known as Gunna Gunna. It's suddenness catching the victims.

I'm not sure that they just renamed it Gunna Gunning. You would hate to see murderers taking you out while you're Gunna Gunna. Or the murderers are Gunna Gunna and while murderers taking you out while you're guna-guna Or the murderers are guna-guna-ing while they're taking you out. Yeah, but half the fun of a guna-guna is like knowing you could be murdered That's true. Oh, yeah, that's half the fun. That's part of my guning too. That's the taboo nature Yeah, yeah, that's part of my guning. That's the taboo gun gun the gun gun taboo In another slice from 30 years later, in early 1999, Tom O'Neill interviews Polanski's friend Peter Barth, who is the editor-in-chief of Variety about the murders, who says, quote,

I must confess that that crowd was a little scary, Barth said, referring to Polanski and Tate's circle. There was an aura of danger around them. There was an instinctive feeling that everyone was pushing it and that things were getting out of control. My wife and I still think about it, he said. Anybody who underestimates the impact of the event is full of shit. Later in another slice, we also have Tom O'Neill interview Vincent Bugliosi for the first time

in April of 1999, and he had this to say, quote, I pulled a book from my bag, Barney Hoskins Waiting for the Sun, a history of LA's music industry. I'd been reading it for research. What with all the rejections I'd gotten, I had a little more free time on my hands than I'd expected, and I wanted Buliosi to look at a passage I'd highlighted. Hoskins alleged that a few S&M movies had been filmed at the Tate House and that a drug dealer had once been tied up and flogged against his will at a party there. Other sources, including Ed Sanders' 1971 book The Family,

had made the same claims, but Bouliosi had conspicuously omitted the anecdote from Helter Skelter. Bouliosi seemed to be in the midst of some kind of internal debate. After what felt like a long silence, he told me, turn off my recorder. This can never be attributed to me, he began. Just say it's from a very reliable source. I'll explain later in the book why I'm treating this as an on the record response. When he joined the case, the detectives told Boeosi they'd recovered some videotape in the loft at the house on Cielo Drive. According to the

detectives, the footage clearly filmed by Polanski depicted Sharon Tate being forced to have sex with two men. Boeosi never saw the tape, but he told the detectives, put it back where you found it. Roman has suffered enough. There's nothing to gain. All it's going to do is hurt her memory and hurt him. They're both victims.

So I guess that explains it. In another very different slice from that same night, August 16th, 1969, there is a massive SWAT team raid on Spahn Ranch at the crack of dawn, just after six in the morning, when almost everyone around is still very much asleep. It is the largest police raid in the history of California somehow, with elite SWAT team members, two helicopters, ATVs and 35 police cruisers rolling out to arrest and bring in all 27 adults and seven juveniles in the family at Spahn Ranch, executed with military precision. They also found seven stolen cars and stockpiled weapons, including a sub machine gun.

The reason, nothing to do with any murders, just cracking down on a suspected car theft ring being run out of the ranch. And in the end, somehow, literally no one is charged. In another time slice from 1999, that's kind of a preview for some of the stuff we'll get into next week, Tom O'Neill interviews Detectives Gunter and Whiteley and writes,

quote, I wanted to get the story straight from Gunter and Whiteley. What they told me was, at the very least, the story of an agonizing series of coincidences and near misses, a comedy of errors that has never been given a proper airing. At most, it was the germ of an extensive cover- by LASO, which moved to conceal either its own ineptitude or something more sinister, the hand of a higher authority, warning that pursuing Manson would come with steep consequences. But let's just leave that there for now and say that somehow they were able to get off scot-free. Okay? So that's what happened. According to Buiosi,

quote, they had been arrested on a misdated warrant, but there is more story there again, there's more story there for next time. Later that year in a slice from November, 1969, straight Satan's member, Danny DiCarlo, one of the bikers that they had as security, is explaining to the detectives why 36 year old Shorty Shay, who'd been a spawn ranch hand and horse wrangler on and off for 15 years,

disappeared shortly after the first raid on the 26th. They know Manson and Clem and Bruce and maybe Tex are involved in Shorty's murder or disappearance and that they likely hid the body in some way, but they asked Danny, quote, why did they do it? And Danny says, quote, because Shorty was going to an old man's to because Shorty was going to old man spawn and snitching and Charlie didn't like snitches. And then one of the detectives, probably McGann, asks, quote, just about the petty bullshit at the ranch. And Danny says, quote, that's right. Shorty was telling old man spawn that he should put him in charge and he would clean everybody up. He would, in short order, run off Manson and his family from the ranch.

And Shorty, however, made a fatal mistake. He forgot that little squeaky was not only George's eyes, she was also Charlie's ears. So Danny also says that Charlie didn't like that Shorty was married to a black lady, and that he suspected Shorty had had a hand in setting up the raid with the police, because he was trying to get rid of the Manson family. And that maybe he heard something about some other murders that Charlie didn't want him to go repeating but will never know for sure exactly what's true because there's no slice of the murder and they didn't find Shorty's body until 1977.

Crazy. Which is crazy. That's what? So that's... Eight years later? Yeah. About? Yeah.

So then finally in a slice from September 29, after the family had spent a few months slowly pissing off the authorities and neighbors with their weird activities, like giving pot to the sheriff's 15-year-old niece or burning some like earth moving equipment parked at Death Valley National Monument, and a few people who lived in the nearby area said they feared for their lives with these people around, the cops finally decided to go check out Barker Ranch. And in his report for that day, patrolman James Purcell, who talks to some of the girls he finds there, writes, quote, The interview resulted in some of the most unbelievable

and fantastic information that we had ever heard. Tales of drug use, sex orgies, the actual attempt to recreate the days of Rommel in the desert core by tearing over the countryside by night in numerous dune buggies, the stringing of field phones around the area for rapid communication, the opinion of the leader that he is Jesus Christ and seemed to be trying to form a cult of some sort. Right after that, the officers discover a red Toyota that was reported stolen and some converted dune buggies that are also found to be stolen just three days earlier once they run a check. And in another time slice, from a few days later on October 9th, there's another raid, but this time it's the Death Valley version.

Officers roll in around 4am and completely catch everyone with their pants down and asleep. Even the armed guards are asleep at their posts, and they find more weapons and supply caches and more stolen cars, and everybody around is arrested again, including Susan Atkins and Wish and Squeaky, but not Charlie, and everybody's taken into independence and booked, which is a town. But things seem like they're about to quiet down. However, in the next slice, which is only three days later, we find out that things are not going to calm down, and that was but a ruse, as there is a then second surprise raid that the police carry out on the 12th of October 1969, while they are lulled into a false sense of security.

And a whole other group of family members is snatched up. And here's a bit about that from Tom O'Neill, who describes the vibe that night, saying, quote, There was no sign of the group's leader, Charles Manson. Purcell decided to recheck the house. It was completely dark now. However, a homemade candle was burning in a glass mug on the table and taking that he began searching the rooms. On entering the bathroom, he said, I was forced to move the candle around quite a bit as it made very poor light. I lowered the candle toward the hand basin and small cupboard below and saw long hair

hanging out of the top of the cupboard, which was partially open. It seemed impossible that a person could get into such a small space, but without Purcell's having to say anything, a figure began to emerge from the tiny cupboard. After I recovered from the initial shock, I advised the subject to continue out and not make any false moves. As he emerged, he made a comment more or less in a humorous vein about being glad to get out of that cramped space. The subject was dressed entirely in buckskins, much different than all the others we had found. I asked the subject who he was. He immediately replied, Charlie Manson. He was taken to the back door and turned over to the officers outside.

He was taken to the back door and turned over to the officers outside. In the next slice, it's the following day, October 13th, 1969, and Susan Atkins is still in custody in independence, telling Gunther and Whiteley that Bobby Beausoleil went to Hinman's house to get some money from him that he recently inherited and that Bobby sliced him in the... and that Charlie sliced Bobby in the face when he wouldn't hand it over. I'm sorry, Charlie sliced Hinman in the face when he wouldn't hand the money over. And then they tortured him for two days and two nights before Hinman screamed, don't Bobby.

And then came staggering in from the kitchen having been stabbed in the chest and they were about to leave. But then she said, Hinman started making noises. So Bobby had to go back in and do some more until she finally heard him gurgle and die. The detectives are like, what the fuck are you talking about? Will you say that again on tape? And she's like, no, but they book her on suspicion of murder anyway, because she basically confesses

to this fucking murder. Describe one, yeah. Yeah, and another short slice from November 1st, 1969, we see Susan Atkins being transferred to the Civil Brand Institute, which is a woman's detention facility in Los Angeles. She goes through orientation, and she gets placed randomly in dorm 8000 on a bunk opposite Miss Ronnie Howard, who is a professional call girl of over 30 years, who is awaiting trial on a forged prescription,

and another call girl, Virginia Graham, who already knows Ronnie Howard and is also placed there just randomly on the same day. And the three of them seem to have a nice rapport. A slice from the night of November 5th, four days later, shows the Venice Police Department showing up at 28 Clubhouse Ave around 7.35pm responding to a phone call from a neighbor. Because there, in a beach house rental belonging to a Mark Ross, they find the body of 22-year-old John Philip Hout, aka Christopher Jesus, aka Zero, who is a man who is dead from a bullet wound to the face and is surrounded by four very much alive Manson family members, including Bruce Davis. According to Tom Neal, he, quote, told police Hote was playing a game of Russian roulette. When police checked the gun, however, all six chambers had been

loaded and the barrel had been wiped clean of fingerprints. Nevertheless, the police decided to declare the death a suicide. No one knows for sure what really happened here or why to this day, though there's theories that Zero may have heard something that he shouldn't have. The next day, on November 6th, there's a very important slice of Susan Atkins sitting down on the corner of Virginia Graham's bed at Sybil Brand at 4.45 p.m. after their work shift. She's in a particularly chatty mood and after a conversation where she specifically tells Virginia that she thinks she can trust her and that the police have no idea what they're doing, she calmly and lucidly over the next few days proceeds to tell her and Ronnie Howard pretty much every incriminating thing possible

about the murders at Cielo Drive, the people surrounding it, and more, including what Helter Skelter was all about and the celebrities that they were planning to hit next, like Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton and Tom Jones and Steve McQueen and Frank Sinatra. And Susan is at this point either like naive or like processing something

or doesn't give a shit, but it's clear that Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard are now pumping her for info and building themselves a deal to get out of prison. In another slice, on the 10th of November, family member Sue Bartel visits Susan and tells her that Zero has been killed, which Susan immediately turns around and tells Ronnie. In Buiosi's book, there's a passage about this that says, quote, According to Susan, one of the girls had been holding zero's hand when he died. When the gun went off, he climaxed all over himself.

Susan didn't seem disturbed to hear of zero's death. On the contrary, it excited her. And she said, Imagine how beautiful to be there when it happened. I wouldn't have thought that, you know? Pretty wild stuff. So that's on the 10th of November, 1969. And in a time slice from November 18th, 1969, Vincent Biliosi is on his way back to his office in the Hall of Justice in Los Angeles when he stopped by the head of DA's

Office Trials Division and pulled into the office of Jay Miller Levy, the director of central operations, who assigns him to the Tate murder case. But then, after that time slice from November 18th, 1969 with Vincent Bliosi, we then get another one from a sunny day in February of 2006, where Tom Neal is actually standing in the kitchen of Vincent Bliosi in his beautiful Pasadena home.

He's raising his voice at Tom and he's saying, nothing could be worse than accusing a prosecutor of doing what you're implying that I did in this case. He's saying that he's going to slap him with a quote, hundred million dollar libel lawsuit, one of the biggest lawsuits ever in the true crime genre, end quote, end quote. I think we should view ourselves as adversaries. That's how far the cookie has crumbled. In another slice from the Sacramento Tower records, on March 6, 1970, somebody buys a copy of the Charles Manson record Lie, the Love and Terror Cult produced by Universal Studios producer Phil Kaufman, whose Info Manson got years earlier back in prison. The album only sells 300 of its 2000 press copies. In a slice from September of 1970,

we can watch the Clamp It Fire burn Spahn Ranch to the ground. Four years later, in a slice from September 22, 1974, we watch George Spahn draw his last breath at the age of 85 in a room at the Sherwood Convalescent Hospital in Van Nuys. Also ripped to Bill from Bill's Burgers in Van Nuys, what a legend. Damn, fucking crazy. In another slice from six years later, 1980, September, John Lennon and Yoko Ono are interviewed by David Scheff from Playboy in New York.

For this one, we lost the audio, so we're gonna have Mathis and Jesse recreate this for you from the text. Jesse, you we're going to have Mathis and Jesse recreate this for you from the text. Jesse, you be playboy and Mathis. It is now time for you to embody John Lennon. Something else I did not plan for our conversation. I'm excited for this. John Lennon. How did you react to the misinterpretations of your songs?

For instance. It's good. The most obvious is maybe it's Paul. Maybe it's no, no, It's good. The most obvious is the Paul is... No, no, it's fantastic. The most obvious is the Paul is dead fiasco. You already explained the line in Glass Onion. What about the line in Strawberry Fields Forever? I buried Paul.

I said cranberry sauce. That's all I said. Some people like ping pong. other people like digging over graves Some people will do anything rather than be here now What about the chant at the end of the song smoke pot smoke pot a smoke weed every day? everybody smoke pot I love that no no no I had this whole choir saying everybody's got one, everybody's got one. But when you get 30 people, male and female on top of 30 cellos and on

top of the Beatles rock and roll rhythm section, you can't hear what they're saying. What does everybody got? Anything. You name it. One penis, one vagina, one asshole. You name it. Did it trouble you when the interpretations of your songs were destructive, such as when Charles Manson claimed that your lyrics were messages to him? No, it has nothing to do with me. It's like that guy Son of Sam who we covered on the show, who was having these talks with his dog.

Manson was just an extreme version of the people who came up with the policy dead thing or who figured out that at the initials of Lucy in the sky with diamonds were LSD and concluded I was writing about acid. Were where did Lucy in the sky come from? My son, Julian, came in one day with a picture he painted about a school friend of his named Lucy. It's it's sketched in some stars in the sky and called it Lucy in the sky with diamonds. Simple.

Yeah. So, you know, he doesn't, he wasn't that worried about misinterpreting the lyrics of his songs. Um, but in another, in another slice from three months later on December 8th, 1980, John Lennon was shot to death outside of his New York apartment by Mark David Chapman. In another slice from 1992, Mark David Chapman is being interviewed about the murder by Barbara Walters on TV. He tells Barbara about when earlier that day he saw John and asked him to sign his album and said, quote, when he did sign it, it was a magical kind of thing.

Here's John Lennon in the flesh and he signing my album. Yeah, there was always a struggle there. There wasn't just a murderer standing there, a potential murderer. There was a decent fellow standing there too, who wanted to get the hell back to Hawaii and go back to his wife and say, look, look what I got and just forget about the whole thing. And finally, for today, in a somehow even sadder time slice, there's one of Dennis Wilson who died by suicide three days after Christmas in 1983 after years of drug and alcohol abuse, diving over and over again off his boat that night in Marina Del Rey, supposedly in search of stuff that he'd thrown down there in the water himself three

years earlier during his latest divorce. And I saw a quote on Wikipedia from a Dennis Wilson biographer, Mark Dillon, about it who said, quote, some attribute Wilson's subsequent spiral of self-destructive behavior, particularly his drug intake to these fears and feelings of guilt, forever having introduced this evil wizard into the Hollywood scene. In the words of Charles Manson, Dennis Wilson was killed by my shadow because he took my music and changed the words for my soul. So I don't know. I just think Hollywood culture kind of sucks in some key ways. What do you guys think?

Only a couple key ways though. Yeah. Anyway, that's it for part one of Charles Manson. Don't forget about posting your LA stories on r slash ChiluminatiPod. Buy tickets to see us in Chicago on November 1st at Chiluminati pod FM. There is only five left and get access to this week's fully scripted supplemental LA month mini-sode the Ballad of Bobby Bocellet at patreon.com slash Chiluminati pod in which we go a little more in depth into one of the more colorful characters in this story who I couldn't properly fit into the show because these stories kind of crazy and goes all over the place.

who I couldn't properly fit into the show because these stories kind of crazy and goes all over the place. And anyway, that's it for me. Thanks for listening. Mathis, take us away. We're off to go to the MinnesotaPatreon.com slash Jeluminaud pod. We appreciate you.

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