Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 319: 3 Horrors for Halloween

Episode Date: October 12, 2025

After getting neck deep in Crowley, Jesse swings in with Alex and Mike beside him and brings us a Spooktacular pallet cleanser. Thank you to ZocDoc - http://www.zocdoc.com/chill All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro

Hello, everybody and welcome back to the Chaluminati podcast, episode 319. As always, I'm one here for a host, Mike Martin joined with my two other equal hosts. I hate saying co-host because it makes you feel like lesser. And that's like, equal hosts. It's crazy. My boys. My boys. My boy host.

My boy host is not the way I should have said that. These other guys here. The only boy host is that as Jesse. Jesse is a boy host. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. What am I?

I'm a little dirty boy. Oh my God. I don't. I'm a dirty boy. Such a meager little voice. And with that, I'm just going to say it's a Jesse episode today, everybody. And I'm going to say, I'm going to say. gonna give it to the dirty little boy to take control well before we do that probably someone should

say something about patreon and then i can talk about conspiracy theory real quick because let me tell you i got both a covid booster and a flu shot same day felt totally fine holy shit i'm not like a guy who gets a lot of pimples but i got two next to each other right above my eyebrow and i'm just saying conspiracy that's what it is yeah conspiracy really big spider yeah two in a straight long that's that's not natural you're like it's like australia-sized spider yeah like a one of it's just like two big spider fangs bang bang whoa and you what yeah that's fine i'm all i'm all right with that yeah yeah that doesn't bother me he's killing all the flies or whatever i got bit so bad by a spider the other day that i was like unable to function properly

i got bit so bad by a spider that i went to patreon dot com slash illuminati pod whoa whoa Got us there thrown off. Holy shit. I like it. What can you find there, Jesse? What's there? Spider and spider related materials as far as I'm aware. It's all spider stuff.

All spiders all the way down. It's like a big spidery, like it's like a big spider egg. And then there's like a fucking 400,000 spiders in there. It's nasty as hell. Get there as soon as you can. It's super gross. You want to get wrapped up and get the cocoon. It's really expensive.

And all you get is a bunch of quote unquote bugs. They're not bugs. They're a rack. But they're your arachnids. Patreon.com slash Chaluminati pod. Check it out. Pretty great. It's very bad.

Yeah. Go check it out. It's very bad. Please go there. Right. What a sell. Fantastic job. I guess this is like a good way to start our spooky season here at Chulminati pod.

As the spooky season begins with Jesse. Well, gentlemen, dear listeners, you've joined us during the spookiest of seasons. And I would very much. like to start us off with a proper introduction to October with the creation of a new arm of the Chuluminati. If Alex and Mathis can do it, I can do it. And so I am, I call this the Chaluminite Society. Okay. Is it a secret society within the society? More just for storytelling. Oh, it's just a hobbyist club. Okay. I have three stories with which to share to set the mood this holiday season. We love to see it. All of them are very, very, very, very,

Very spooky. Different vibes entirely. Maybe connected in some way. Who knows? So, submitted for the approval of the Chulminite Society, I call this first story, Mortis. All right. Dean, I usually to put the end, the sound effects of fire flaring up really loudly, a little more. Yes, yes. I'm glad we all get the reference. Okay, good, good, good. Only the slightest hint of a musical stink. Yeah, very slight copyright-free amount. Yeah. yes don't get a suit no then you get fine it's actually fast enough that you could probably dead ass use the real

thing but don't yeah but don't we don't want to play that game for all of us old enough to remember the time before the internet when kids would ride bikes till sundown and phones were only used for making calls and blockbuster video was not a joke shut out I did seven years in the B V BSI baby it's so cold in the Bs R dude CSR's dog what's up I didn't I did about eight years in the other bee, Applebee's. Oh. Oh. I thought you meant.

You know, I know what you thought I meant. I don't know what you meant. All right. I thought we were like, I thought Halloween was scary in a lot of ways this year. Well, you know, the rise of the internet at the time came to many people as a shock. A lot of people thought the idea of going on a computer and sending mail or looking at websites was incredibly weird. There was a very famous clip of the Today Show from 1994 where Brian Gumman. and Katie Kirk are laughing at the concept of email and seem completely baffled by it.

If you can find it online, it is hilarious to look at because it's wild. They're like, I can't even believe people. Why would you do this? Computers were nerdy, man. Then you know we were going to watch porn on it. Yeah. And most of the criticism and mockery for it was mostly because early internet infrastructure was slow and clunky and simply due to the nature of the web technology at the time.

you know, it highlighted all the difficulties with dial-up because that sound that we're all pretty familiar with if you grew up at that time, you know, or maybe having to fight over mom with when you could use the phone. Oh, yeah. Many an argument when I'm playing Warcraft One online with my friend, Direct Connect and gets interrupted. And if she doesn't hang up fast enough, the game will be lost. Yes.

Fucking bad times. But also some fun little AOL kid pages with some fun games out there. Hometown? were you all in that exactly yeah yeah yeah getting your first email man was wow it was cool feeling i think it's before my first email is literally just my name and a birthday i don't know what it was like that's crazy literally birthday is wild birthday is wild uh that's like might as well give him your last four yeah yeah i got the same one the entire time though i've had the same exact SN on everything the entire time not me at all

this to say i don't have that that email is dead and needs to stay dead because that's a crazy thing to do. Yeah. But, you know, for as incredible as the technology was then and has since become, the start was pretty jank. We can all remember back to AOL like we were talking about or geo-cities or other, you know, things that existed at the time. But there was another website, one that was even more weird and mysterious and had a lot of traffic head to it. This was, of course, mortis.com. No idea. I am not familiar. with this. If you shared the site or managed to find it on your own, it was a simple black screen with nothing but stark white text. No graphics, no loud noises, no disturbing images that were

all the rage to troll your friends with in the 90s. There was nothing. Just a black screen with a log in prompt. ID and password. That was it. Two blank fields. It looked like the login for a private server or maybe an admin portal or some sort of operations or functional system or something. But the chilling implication of it was made immediate because like it's mortis.com, which the name is very weird. It's like Latin for death, right? Yeah.

And there's something, there's something weird going on with it. People are like, what is this? Because it felt like you ran into something that you couldn't see and you were kind of like on the outside looking in. Like there was something going on and no one knew what it was. This is during the time where everyone's bombarding their websites with graphics that are sparkly glittered gifts of fairies and neopets. And like this stood out as weird. Dude, the story of neopets is crazy.

You know it's back up and running again now? Yeah. Well, of course it is. It's been done going. It's just. Well, it was going and then it was bought by a company. Yeah, there was a situation. Close it down.

And then the original creator bought the rights back and then got a little team together and relaunched it. And it's just like, that game, that game is still going. And we've covered some of that where we had like the weird neopets. The glitter. Yeah, yeah. Glitter. Uh, yeah. Glitter, uh, PNG business. Yeah. So at this time, most people are doing things through AOL or GeoCities or some hosting thing.

If you're making your own web page, it means you kind of know what you're doing. And obviously with the name Mortis.com, it must have meant something, right? So of course, this turns into a conspiracy and people are flocking to the this page thinking like what the hell could this be it becomes sort of like one of the first is it a cult is it a dark web thing people are very interested at the time but the real scary thought that the more internet savvy people had was that maybe if you're visiting this site and trying to log in via a random password or you're just goofing around maybe the owner of the site knew that you were there and the site was sort of logging like watching ipes curious person yeah

an ip log yeah and even though you were never invited inside they were now gathering information on you everyone watching from the gate the site of course became an obsession among early internet sleuths because it was kind of this ultimate unsolved mystery it wasn't a game you could actually win it was it wasn't a wall you could actually scale it was this kind of thing that existed. And so people would pour over the source code, desperate to find any sort of hidden key. And while there was no way they could detect what was inside,

they did discover how much of it there was. Mortis.com hosted a ridiculous amount of data, with some estimates being in the terabytes. How did they figure that out? They were just digging through files. I wish I could tell you, honestly. And there's a lot of this that we'll get to that's like, a lot of this is lost information.

I'll try to explain we get to that point. But they would go through and they would try to like bombard the website with all sorts of like early bots and things. This is a high amount of data. Unless you're like a Fortune 500 company at the time, there's absolutely no reason to have this amount of data in the 90s. To give you some idea, in the year 2000, Seagate announced their high capacity drive was 182 gigabytes.

So it's pretty clear that Mortis was. was not used by a single individual? It could have been like some sort of back end to some sort of data repository. Of something, yeah, there's something clearly being hosted there. Especially again, we're talking the 90s, a time when consumers are using dial-up at 56K or if you're a big, rich company, you have 10 megabytes up and down. Oh, fuck. Yeah.

Which, for those of you who lived at that time, I know porn was mentioned earlier, you try to get porn at 56k y'all that was the funniest thing because it would go line by line by line it was hilarious you were waiting like oh i think that's ahead dude and most of them were loading your computer up with trojan viruses most websites the pop-ups oh i ruined a couple family computers in my youth and again the name mortis is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here because not only is it a website filled with tons of data that you can't access the name implies a darker purpose and because you can't get to it again bigger and crazier conspiracy theories people thinking maybe this is something truly clandestine maybe there's like something going on here and when the hacker portion of the internet finally

showed up they tried to brute force their way in they were bombarding the login with millions of passwords and id combos and still they could not get in and because of this the website's popularity grew more and more and more people became interested in what was going on which inevitably led to people posting for clout saying oh i hacked it and oh i got inside and i found all these things inside none of it is verifiable none of it yeah all the old forums in days there's forums for everything i'm sure you were on a few as a kid i was on a couple of course shout out on fiction uh you know the argy we don't have that problem where people just make stuff up in the internet anymore shout out something off something awful the only real verifiable clues

were that the website was registered under someone named Thomas Ling. This person, persons, alias, whatever, was connected to 20 other websites registered on the same name hosted by a company located in Philadelphia, which only led to more questions. Because one website said Thomas Ling worked as a dentist. One website was for a Thomas Ling, the lawyer. one website was for a security firm, one website was for a quilt business, people would then try to reach out and contact Thomas, and basically as far as anyone can tell, either they didn't reach him, he didn't exist, didn't want to talk to people, or was lying, like again,

conflicting stories, early internet, people could just be making him stuff, I don't know. One video online claimed that they found a Thomas Ling in Australia, but, But when they went there to go talk to him, it was an unused plot of land, which I can't really confirm, but I guess that's part of the mystery. But this is like a recent like four year old video. So I don't know. At the time, people were just trying to hunt down Thomas Ling, any way they could, which I'm sure pissed off some Thomas Ling's out there in the world who were like, I don't know what you're talking about. What are you doing? Because you know they definitely went to everyone named Thomas Ling.

I empathize. Do you guys remember Daddy of Five getting, like, in trouble? His name was Mike Martin in real life, like the vlog YouTuber. If you don't, I was forced to learn who he was. Daddy of five was not a big part. I got to be honest, not one of my main guys. Wasn't for me either until, you know, he got like brought to court about like child mistreatment to his family because basically his whole stick is like pranking his kids.

I don't know. And I got a lot of tweets about how I'm a piece of shit father. And I was very confused for a hot minute there before I had to learn who that was. So, yeah, it sucks. Yeah, there's a politician in, I think, North Carolina or South Carolina somewhere named Michelle Morrow, who's not a good person. And our dear friend, Michelle, because she has all the Michelle Morrow's ever was getting bombarded with people who are like, you're sick and disgusting.

She's like, I don't know what you mean. It's like wrong one, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It happens. Yeah. Absolutely insane. It's like, this is like Satoshi, the Bitcoin guy. Mm-hmm.

Like, it's like, what is Thomas Ling? He might be like, uh, Uh, fucking trust. Yeah, might not even be a real thing. Crime trust. Thank you so much to today's sponsor, Zoc Doc. Remember that doctor's appointment you were supposed to be making like a while ago, the one that you meant to book, but got sidetracked and completely forgot about until right now,

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doctor today. That's Zoc-D-O-C dot com slash chill. Thank you again to Zock-D-D-C for sponsoring today's episode. done with how cryptic and weird this gets because there were other websites one was eternal knight.com one was xerio.com and then there was cthuloo dot net which was just as simplistic as mortis a black page no login screen this time but the phrase dead but dreaming on it and there happened some cthulu cthulian i mean yeah it's that's part of the cthulu mythos is the idea is like dead sleeping in the like there's a whole line we exist as a dream of their reality yeah yeah yeah yeah there's some conflicting stories about whether there was a chess piece on the website too

but many people are talking about how there are chess pieces on other websites so perhaps they're combining them together maybe there was a chess piece like a visual theme that was like kind of like a little maybe yeah yeah because there were some people saying that many of the websites had a chess piece and then some people were saying that the cathula website had a chess piece at a chess piece. But others were like, no, it didn't. You guys are misremembering. So potentially it did. But yeah, it might have been a theme across the entire thing. I don't know. I remember something about a chess piece when I was hearing about this. This is one of those ones that has almost been on my episodes like a million times. And I just, I just never, I never went

that deep into it. But I remember there being, I remember seeing a chess piece. We'll get to why it's hard to go into deep into this one. Because it is a lot of of this, I must stress, the confirmation is strictly based on, like, a few sources these days. And we'll get into that because it gets weird. Time passes, fades from people's minds because there's always conflicting stories in the early 2000s. No one can really find anything. And it wasn't until 2011 when it was rediscovered by 4chan. And you know those 4chan users, they are a different breed, and they didn't just deep dive. They went like headfirst in. But just as this resurgence of interest began anew, the website goes down. And a large portion

of the websites associated with it are taken down as well. I got to ask you, does something become more believable to you, boys, both of you? If when interest or whatever is found, they delete their account, maybe the post remains, or is it more believable if they, If they continue to, say if it's a Reddit post, for instance, they continue to engage or they leave the website up, which one does it feel more believable? Because I can see both sides where suddenly people pay attention to it and then removing it would just fuel that fire and leave legend to kind of like take hold.

I don't know what. Depends on a lot of different forensic details, I would say. Like I encountered this a lot in the stuff that I do that is like so, so, so suss. Like I probably put up the susses stuff on the show, right? Like, like, I probably go live with this. Yeah, I probably go live with the susses theory. It depends on you ask, I think. They're still incredibly well researched.

I'm not saying they are. They're just, they're just, they're just, they're just suss. Yeah. Like, yeah, like a lot of the times with stuff like that, it'll be like a UFO that, like, it's the only post they've ever made. And now the accounts pulled down, that's almost 100% fake. But something that. But then there's the ones, like, but then there's a UFO ones where like, same thing happens. The guy should, like, I think it's the genetic.

one and even the mods come on are like he's been shadow ban somehow but none of us did it and we're trying to figure out how I mean that's that's I think what Alex is talking it's like perspective based where you can see a UFO post and it's only been posted by one person and it's their only post ever and it gets taken down you can either see it as well that was fake and everyone knew that was fake or you can see it as the government got them and in the context of the mods and in the context of the mods like if I was the mod of a UFO subreddit, it would behoove me very much to like legitimize that

post a little bit in that way. Because it would in fact, and I'm not trying to accuse them of this, please. No, no, I guess you're just, you're doing that devil's advocate. That's necessary. I'm just talking about reasoning. And like, as an example, like, that's something that I might consider before I thought about that.

Like, if it's something like let's say this Morty's website is there and it's been there for sure for 15 years and then all of a sudden an article comes out and it goes away and a bunch of websites associated with it go away that were clearly the result of at least thousands of dollars of networking and stuff like to me that is much more interesting of a situation that sounds like when you go to a business and the business is like

up and running one day and then the next day you come back and it looks like there never was a business yeah that happened to me the other day we were walking up the street and we were like oh my god that abandoned uh like auto body shop is going to be turned into a tiki bar that's so oh we walked by that when i was there and it was being set up on the inside yeah that we were like that's so awesome and then like one week later it was back to being how it was exactly and we were like whoa whoa all right i don't know Alex do you know there's an area next to the culver city mall where there's uh it's like a like a persian rug play across from a del taco yeah i do know exactly where that is that persian rug place i drove by there

and was like oh it's a restaurant now there are people outside eating and then a few days later i drove by persian rock place again what so what it was so what it was like a set like a movie thing they were doing maybe almost certainly was was a movie set because that's exactly what it was when i looked at it again it was like established 1968 on the bar it's like no it wasn't it's it Like, like, the same thing happened with Kelly. One time there was a bus stop as she was walking Wallace. And like all of a sudden, like, there was a guy at the bus stop stands up. I think I talked about this on the show.

Guy at the bus stop stands up with his hands up and like 15 vans like roll up and pop out. And it was like Phil Colson. It was like agents of shield was filming. Like, LA is a weird place for that. I got to, yeah, because I bet you it's cheap to like rent a place like that for a couple days, feel like in the movie, whatever you're doing. and then boom you just kind of give it back yeah that makes sense you turn it exactly back and they're amazing at that like wow wow wow uh also my uncle one time his house marvel offered him a bunch of

money to film Hulk in there but they would have to destroy the house and he was like no like they were going to like put it back and everything but he was like i don't want to go through that uh but uh put it back like build him a new home they do i swear to god that that that is how they do that should like in a city yeah when they do it in the city street they like blow up a shot and then they fix it. They take pictures and everything. What am I fucking saying? If that feeling, if it's that big of a missing thing, that is when the bells go off in terms of like, oh shit, this is like worth writing an episode about.

Well, get ready to hear the bells. Get ready to hear the bells. So 4chan deep diving. And then immediately all the sites go down. At this point, rumors and talk about the sites. It explodes on 4chan. I don't know what to trust here, but some people said that Thomas Ling reached out to them and said, stop trying to hack the server. And, you know, other people said that when they asked

him, what are you up to? He responded. And this is them saying, oh, we found him, by the way. No evidence. Just 4chan saying, oh, he was hosting family photos there, which that's a lot of family photos for terabytes. Mortise.com? Yeah, exactly, which is weird. Death.com. Maybe it's their last name, man. What's wild about this is right.

True. What's wild about it is that since 2011 and when this all went down, nearly everything except for a few of those 4chan posts and the occasional Reddit post that will pop up has been wiped from the internet. You aren't going to find it in the wayback machine. If you go there right now and look up Mortis.com, I swear to God, it says,

sorry, this website has been excluded from the way back machine. which I didn't even know you could do. Wow. You 100% can't. It's a DNS. It's like you're done. Like, no, if you go there. Which is crazy.

I was like, oh, weird. Another interesting theory comes from the YouTube channel barely sociable, which has a video about this. Great, great channel. And it says that the original source code investigations found a code for an embedded media player. Again, this is based on 4chan posts. no other evidence other than 4chan posts an embedded media player in the in the source code to play media back alpha using tech at the time the you know the search led to emails linked to the site which then linked to various groups of emails associated with it and they tracked them all down and um i guess the way he describes it and i'll see if i can summarize it because it's really techy but basically when you find the emails, you can track those emails to various groups online the emails are associated with.

And then through those sites, which are much less secure because we're talking about like hacker dudes here, they can see what these emails were interacting with. And what you would find out is that basically they were being connected to downloading videos. And an example that is used in barely sociable, which is kind of like, I think the thesis at the end of the video for him solving it in his words. is that in 2011, 4chan claimed that one of the files downloaded was Drive Crazy 3B-D-B-25 par-2, which sounds like gibberish unless you were illegally downloaded movies at the time.

That's the Nicholas Cage movie, right? In which that's the Nick Cage movie from 2011 Drive Angry, which came out in February, and the 4-chan post of all this started in September, so it does possibly line up. So what barely sociable saying is that Thomas Ling, or whoever was doing this, was basically downloading and hosting illegal movies to play online for friends, family, whatever. Gotcha. And many believe this was his family since some emails and websites associated with the server were names that could be family, right?

It would be like something, somethingling.com. And so the idea was, oh, he's hosting sites for his kids till they're ready to use them. Or maybe coutulu.net or mortis.com are sites he's just holding because having that it's the vibe of the early internet. You want to hold those things, right? just in case. But either way, all this information is only based on posts from that time period, 2011 and early 2012, on 4chan.

There is no information available at all, anywhere else on the internet at all. Go on a deep dive, go look it up. I promise you, what you will find is stuff based on that 4chan post or stuff based on the barely sociable posts. And people are like, no, it's been solved. It was this. but their source is this thing which is based off 4chan so there's nothing that exists and anything you read is going to be people like i saw this one guy's video on youtube where he's so

very clearly either a i copied or something an article posted on a different website it was almost word for work and i was like okay so yeah it's kind of circling back in on itself and because it's weird and spooky and it's this internet thing no one has an answer and i don't think we have definitive of proof either way. If anyone talked to Thomas Ling, if anyone knows what Thomas Ling is even real, there is zero real evidence except for people on 4chan saying they found things and then other people extrapolating. And since that time, nearly all talk about it has been wiped from the internet or is this

circular talk that is just 4chan to video to video to YouTube to Reddit to whatever back and forth. Yeah, I'm looking right now and I don't see anything that has anything other than basically he said 4chan. And, like, I'm reading his post about mortis.com about how it might have been, like, a PI and some names that were connected to it. But all this comes to the source of amateur investigators, which I imagine means 14 users. I did find a little, I did find a little something that had to do with this a couple years ago. And I just pulled up the link to it.

And it's kind of interesting. So there's a post. And I'll read the post just because this is actually quite interesting. And I have the links to show you. Because I got to get it all. I got to get all ready to see. But basically, there's a post of somebody. looking into this because of barely sociables video.

And they found that Cthulhu.net actually is on the way back machine. Yeah. And what they found out is that it's been archived and then it never was archived after 2011. There's the ellipsies after Dead But Dreaming. It's just, so here's how it shows up if you go to the very most recent archive of Cthulu.net. And I will, and I will throw this in the show notes so you can see the difference.

But if you go back further, it links to various things. There's the leftmost dot on the dead but dreaming ellipsies, which links to various things. Sometimes they find it linking to morties.com. Sometimes they find it linking to other sites, but on January 24th, 2005 during an archive, which is ostensibly the same website, if you click that link on the leftmost ellipses, it leads to something quite interesting trip updates day one two three four five they're like a trip blog and they seem to be written by somebody that could be named Thomas Ling because it's all about traveling in Hong Kong and in China and stuff and you know at least he has the same name

and there's pictures I see one yeah I see day four has a picture of him smirking at a laptop each one has like updates it's like a journal and there's dead links for a lot of the for a lot of the images, but some of the images are there, and it seems there's somebody involved called Karen. Yeah, they're all dated 2004. And that makes sense for something that was in January of 2005.

I feel like if I sat here and I read all this and like wrote it out, I could probably like, Sherlock Holmes this guy a little bit. This one's, this post is strange. Like just this talk, lunch ended for the first time Karen and I went our separate way. she had some sort of paranoia I would end up getting lost

and winding up somewhere in rural China nope anyway Karen goes off when she comes back Karen has bags of things that she just refers to as stuff it seems totally normal but also like weirdly written I don't know why you wouldn't

yeah it's interesting I mean it's Karen carried two very large bags nested in each other while I had everything organized with the Eagle Creek packet system as for electronics well I went light relative to my usual armamentarium armamentarium no portable speakers but i did bring a mobile wifi station i mean like this i i mean it seems like potentially that ling is a real person but it's also yeah i mean it's very the whole thing strange and no one has answers and it very

much could be a guy just doing a thing and hosting movies for his family like that's my bad it's It's actually a trip to Thailand, if you read the first one. I didn't read the first one. Gotcha. Yeah. But they go through Hong Kong and through the Hong Kong airport. But then again, the fact that you have to go to Cthulu. Dot, click a little dot.

And then it leads to a series of images. It feels like he's, it feels like he's like a quirky guy. And then he hides like little ways in his little websites to people. Then he sends different websites to different people kind of thing. Like, if you go back all the way back to, what to like 2001 through 2011 on the Cothoola.net way back machine. It's a completely different site. Yeah. There's there's a lot of, I just mean there's a lot

of different snapshots of it in different forms. And I wish I could see what some of them are. But like, yeah, there's an image. And maybe that's what they were talking about with a chess piece. Maybe that was there. Could be there's like a weird like image text of it. And you can actually like scroll through them on archive, if you know how to do it up at the top. And you can see, I don't know what Ruffle is. That's like probably some old plugin, but it looks like it has a scroll bar. Yeah, at some point, if you go to a, oh, I just lost it. One of the later ones, the ellipses, if you click, it takes you to Mortis. Yeah, exactly. Like, depending on which, which version of it

you're on, it actually does lead to different links. And then, yeah, so the first time it has that look is in May of 2004, but it's not, there's nothing like, but, you know, it's probably worth checking the source of all these different pages, because there may be stuff anywhere in any of these, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And I, and it's, I'm, I'm so mesmerized by the confidence in which people have answers here, because I don't know that I can say either way that I know what any of this is, but everyone's like, no, no, we have the answers. We're confident in what it is. I'm like, okay. all right that's weird but it's very weird I don't understand it yeah there's there's some

there's some stuff yeah but uh that is on our first little foray interesting and to the cheluminite society gentlemen those of you at home submitted for the approval of the chluminite society i call this story call of the deep the blue hole in the red sea is a world famous diving spot off the coast of Egypt. It is a massive underwater sinkhole formed by erosion that has somehow created a vertical shaft that goes straight down around 130 meters or 420 feet. In the water, you said? Mm-hmm. The blue hole is what it's called? Yes. Jesse, are you afraid of sharks particularly or do you have Thaselophobia? Oh, no, pure Thaselophobia. No, this would be the worst for me. I hate this. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Anything they can come get me from

below me, not a fan. Play some nautica. Yeah. Oh, I don't want to. I have and I hate it. I didn't even want to get off my wrecked ship. I was like, I'll die here. But it's weird because the blue hole is this massive vertical shaft, but the area around it's only about like 20 feet deep or six meters. The reason people go there is because not only is it unique in a diver's dream, but also it features some amazing locales like the arch, which is a submerged tunnel about 55 meters down, which connects. the hole to this open sea passage that leads outside to an outside wall that drops to roughly 1,000 meters or 3,300 feet straight down. You probably see some photos of that area or photos of the blue hole. It's gorgeous looking incredible.

But if you're a person like me, it's terrifying. I do not ever want to go there. But for divers and fans of the sea, it seems like the ideal spot. Until you learn, it is nicknamed the divers. Cemetery. Blue Hole leads to Diver Cemetery. It is the diver's cemetery. That is like the opposite of the top of Mount Everest. It is considered one of the deadliest diving sites in the world. And most of that comes from the phrase, the call of the deep, or call of the void, or in French, La Pelle duvide. That one sounds nicer. I've got to, I got to be honest. Divers, even those highly trained with years of

experience often experience this call, this call to go deeper. It's incredibly scary sounding and many times it is obvious. If you're, you know, like if you're swimming in a coral reef or off the shore, you're obviously not going to experience this. There's no deeper to go. But if you're in the open water, you're in a place like this or you're in a vertical shaft pointing straight down, there's something inside you calling you to go down further. I wonder if it's similar to like the intrusive thoughts of like when you're sitting at an edge of like a tall. Very similar. What happened if you jumped?

And it's like, nope, no brain. Let's not worry about what would happen. People jumped do this. That's yeah. Instead of jumping, they just are like, oh, I can swim down there. And they keep going further down and down and down. Like something is calling to them. And this has been experienced by many people.

There are so many stories about this online. I just grabbed a few just for time. This one is on a scuba diving subreddit. uh four i'm gonna give this to mathis enjoy from user dupin 9161 this guy wrote my mom was friends with the guy who was a professional a professional diver he was diving on an unexplored trench with a whole crew trying to see how deep they could go when they shown a flashlight on him they noticed his mask was off and one of the other guys tried to put it back on him but he resisted help and started swimming down always gives me the creeps to think about he was never he was

never found. Still makes my mom sad to talk about. She said he was a really great guy. Fucking nuts, dude. Another one, this is for you, Alex. Again, from just a scuba diving, Reddit, user Parasite 45 wrote,

A diving instructor took his students to a class in an ocean. The idea was to get them adjusted to not being able to see the seafloor, as sometimes that's something that happens. This particular guy felt that something was wrong with his student, and when he looked at him, he was staring down, Then began swimming down.

He tried to stop him at first, grabbing his shoulder before he could move too far, but he shook him off and kept moving down. The teacher swam after him and grabbed his leg. The student turned back to his teacher, smiled, shook his leg, and continued swimming. Eventually, the teacher had to leave him down there because otherwise he would risk his own life. And supposedly, this is something that happens to diving instructors often. And speaking specifically of the blue hole, there are so many Reddit posts. on the various, you know, Reddit sides of, you know, underwater exploration, scuba diving,

even horror stories were basically like this happens there all the time. There's even, I don't recommend looking it up, but there's a very famous story about a guy who went down, disappeared. When they found his body, he was very dead, but he had a camera on him. They brought the camera to the surface. It's just a video of this man going down far enough that he drowns and dies. awful stuff it's so bizarre yeah that that pull like of and I do wonder too I wonder if it's because like that feeling to jump but you have more control there's no immediate

rush of adrenaline of like leaping off an edge you actually feel like you have complete control the whole time like I don't know there's like a peacefulness to floating there's a lot of weird stuff there is an answer everyone kind of agrees on and we'll get to that the second but like this idea of just you're not falling you're swimming towards a thing so you yeah, you have a control to it. It's your body doing it. You're not just, well, I guess we'll see what happens when I fall off this edge. I got to, I bet you though, like if we're looking, the guy has something to do with the oxygen, like, right? Like, yes. There's the only common factor I could say is there oxygen isn't being enough or it's like making gloomy. It's called nitrogen

Narcosis. Narcosis. Yes. And basically, the way it works is the deeper you go in water, the more compressed the literal air we breathe becomes. Right. Because you have a shelf of water is physical matter. It is on top of you pressing down the whole time. Right. Like the closer you get to the core of the earth, the more the pressure becomes. And so by the time a diver hits 30 meters, for example, or 100 feet, the nitrogen in their bloodstream or brain starts to act like alcohol. This is actually called martini's law. Every 10 meters is like one martini. That's crazy. At 30 meters, you start to get this feeling of euphoria. You're reasoning slightly impaired. You're three martinis deep. At 60 meters, your motor coordination is affected. You're making

weird calculation errors and choices because your confidence is off the chart. You start laughing, start smiling because you're feeling buzz. You're like drunk. No wonder nobody's afraid of like sharks coming up behind them out of the darkness of nothing because they're like, fuck yeah, bro, sharks gonna have a martini, dude. At 90 meters, you're experiencing hysteria, terror, loss of memory, increased excitability, possibly hallucinations. And if we're talking 90 plus, which is 300 feet or more, full-on visual hallucinations, your vision and hearing are freaking out. You're having manic and depressive states one after the other.

You're losing time. You are going unconscious and eventually that leads to death. And the reason I talked about, you know, the blue hole, which we'll get to in a second, is because of how deep that thing is. and for clarity we have deep divers all the time they go down welding or doing underwater construction

but they do so in a diving bell to adjust for the depth which may take days of them sitting in a diving bell because of how truly crazy you can go underwater yeah and then they have to keep

everything heavily pressurized if you there's like a long time ago I was seeing this like accident to happen on those things really deep underground where they do that kind of thing and the pressure wasn't done properly and when they opened the door it shot back and like just fucking mangled everybody because it sland them against the walls. There's one very famous story of a guy. I think it might be one or two guys. I don't know, but same pressure thing where because of a pressure differential they get sucked

into a little tube and we're basically like goopified. Yep. It's not. That's crazy. And you look at like and you also look at just like never mind anything going wrong. Living down there for like weeks that they have to be down there sometimes that is a tiny ass like tin can sardine in like being crunched by water at every opportunity and you're to sit there and just be like what are we doing today bob i don't know you'll hear stories they have to go to a separate thing to go to the bathroom and you'll hear crazy stories of the walk over to that they're like it is weird down there i can't it's like oh god who the effects in the body are terrifying one diver recalled being at depth and feeling an intense euphoria he saw this deep blue water it was so dark almost black but then he he saw like a shimmer

of light and it is in his impaired state he thought oh that's the sunlight of the surface so he started swimming towards it but he was going deeper and deeper and deeper a buddy of his had to physically restrain him and pull him back because he kept fighting him because he thought his buddy was trying to drown him why would his buddy try to drown him because he was drunk out of his mind that's so crazy dude a technique Michael Diver shared a story of a shipwreck that was deep underwater and he was so completely mesmerized by a fish that he saw and he was just watching it for he doesn't even know how long that he completely forgot about his decompression schedule that he needed to follow an order to get back up to the surface so he wouldn't die. Yeah, you can't go right up for people who don't know from going deep down. You have to go up slowly at like, like I said, for a certain schedule because you're going too fast.

His air was running out because he was looking at this damn fish because it. mesmer. It was, he like got mesmer. He was like, oh, I got to go. And so he had to, yeah, figure out a way to get to the top safely. I never want to go scuba diving in my life anymore. Never, never, never. I don't want to go already. Just described. What I think is probably the scariest version, which is one of the stories that we read, um, he was saying that while it was underwater, he had this overwhelming urge come over him to remove all of his safety equipment, the mask, the tanks, the weight belts, even the boy and see control devices. He said he was suffering from severe narcosis at an extreme death and then

felt a sudden like, huh, I could get, you know, I don't need this. He was later rescued and recalled having this impulse to pull everything off of him because he just felt like I don't need this down here. I can live underwater. Dude, which is crazy. And I just want to be in that, I want to observe the moment where that revelation is immediately met with reality. And how quickly that it goes away. You're like, I wonder if it does because you would just pass out eventually, right? Yeah,

you would have eventually, but there's got to be a moment of a takeoff. Would you know right before, like, who knows? Once you go and try to breathe water the first time, you suddenly realize you can't live underwater actually. It's just an absolutely bizarre thing.

That's how scary as hell. Yeah. And that brings us back to the blue hole. That arch, that famous thing everyone wants to go see, that's 55 meters down. And as we discussed, this is the time your brain starts to think,

you are just drunk and because the water is so clear everyone says that when you're down there you misjudge the distance and so you're misjudging the distance and you have the courage of a guy at a bar who's had too much a drink and you see this breathtaking thing you are i'm going for it and it gets so many people so many people die under there because they think screw it i got it yep and they die they don't realize how far away it actually is yeah and so the next time you hear this like a tale of a diver going missing in the deep. Remember, it's probably not a lovecrafting creature that took them. It is as simple as nitrogen gas that turned their brain against them. Is that any less scary? No, in fact, it's probably more because it's you. It's like you just

being like, ha ha ha, let me go die. That's like crazy. The fact that dudes like the, like that's a horror movie is someone's going, they look down, start swimming down, you grab them, they look back you and they're smiling like that's terrified that's way worse than like a goop monster grabbing you like let me go ha ha ha ha ha yeah no thank you

I yeah no I already hate the ocean enough this is it just makes it it gives me vibes of like as we've talked on the past of like people who go missing in the woods you turn around for a second and then you turn back and your friend's just gone it has very like a death love pass vibe yes yeah

Yep, yep. You know, the world around us can turn us against ourselves based on climate and pressure and air and whatever. Man, I'm just thinking about being deep down there. And I feel like I'd be so afraid of just being in open water that I'd never feel confident. But maybe just feeling drunk enough, I would. But I'd feel like I'd be too afraid. A shark could come up behind you and you'd never know. You can't hear anything.

Well, I imagine sharks wouldn't be that deep. Sharks aren't like deep water fish. They hang out where fish are. most fish are above a certain point, right? What's down there? I don't know. What's down? Most things down at like depth are small things because the pressure.

They're not huge. Yeah, but do you're by like bleak the arch or by the blue hole where people can go? That I don't know. I don't know what the vibe is there fish wise. Yeah. But I've never had an interest. You know, it kind of reminds me of, um, Dave the diver. That's kind of the premise of that.

Yeah. Yep. You go down that game, by the way. I'm going to go play that. Yeah. It's in the sea, right? The ocean quite literally. is like an alien world.

It is an uninhabitable place for humanity. We cannot be down there. We have to come up with fantastical tech just to get anywhere down there. And we still can't get super deep. It is just an alien world on our own planet. And it is, I think that triggers that part of the brain, too, where it's just like,

this is unknowable. You put yourself in a situation that your body is not naturally meant to be in, floating around fucking 360 degree freedom under a pressure for oxygen. Your brain isn't meant to take. You are just, you might as well put yourself on an alien planet. where there are just things floating around you. That sounds,

that's, yeah, that's the phobia makes sense to me. I just, yeah, I could do it in a video game. I just can't, I don't want to ever do it in real life.

What's crazy is, yeah, like I'm not, there's nothing in my body that says, watch out above you, Jesse. Something above you could get you. Nothing.

But the middle of you into the water, I'm like, there's something below me that's going to bite my ass. There's a lot of sharks. There's a lot of sharks in the Red Sea. I don't know how far down. They go.

There's even whales. Lobstoos. Because like that's the other thing too. I've seen videos of people come up like on like whale sharks at like that depth. And they're surprised when they come up because you can't hear them. And they're huge enormous. They're nice though. They're nice though.

Oh yeah. Whale sharks are great. They're like super like they'll spit you out of the accent on egg in their mouth. They just want to eat plankton. But they're so big. I feel like that scale alone would be a jump scare that would fuck me up. There's there. There was a like one of those VR demos.

had and it was you know a lot of them are designed to be scary on purpose this was just like your underwater experiencing a shipwreck but at one point literally if you're not if you're just focusing one direction you will miss the fact that a whale comes up behind you if you turn around there's an eye like right in your face no dude that was the worst experience ever had i was like nope and it was so hyper i know exactly you're talking about and that was such a hyper realistic eyeball looking at you because you're just like you're looking at the treasure chest and you don't hear it and you're just like, oh, what? And that's in VR, in real life where you have less control. I can pull the VR headset off. And I pulled off my mask. I am dead like all those

dudes. Yeah. You would be. You'd be done. Dead like all those dudes. But gentlemen, our final tale. Oh, yes. Submitted for the approval of the Chliminite Society. Approved. Red rubber stamp it. I call this story. Noyes Rauthaus. Did we instead of throw sand in the fire? Do we throw ungrinded nugs into the fire? Yes. Oh, yeah. We're all gone by now. Just throw Keith into the fire. It's just bag. It's completely gone.

It's like that news reporter who's by that like cop thing, where they're like burning a bunch of drug evidence. And it's like, Woo! In the German city of Sella, it's spelled C-E-L-L-E, but I assume it's lies an imposing gothic brick building known as the Noyes Ratt House, spelled N-E-U-E-S-R-A-T-H-A-U-S-H-A-U-S. The new Rat House, which I think translates to the new Town Hall. Rat House means Town Hall.

Rocks, it's appropriate. It's translates to. Rat House? I'm telling you do. rat house rat house it's like cartoonishly the german for rat house like rat house that's fucking hilarious the mystery and dare I say a real horror story for today this is what I want to leave you all on okay who spook me is indisputable history for this town this is real stuff with like some really crazy stuff going on just a few kilometers from Sella is the

Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. And in April, 1945, in the final days of the war, a train carrying thousands of prisoners stopped in this town. Just so happened, Allied bombs hit a nearby ammunition train, and all the prisoners saw this as their chance to flee. What happened next is known as the Selah Massacre. SS guards, Gestapo, local Nazi party members, even some civilians hunted down and executed to these prisoners as many as they could find.

We're talking hundreds. The barracks, this noyes rat house, was used to detain those who were not killed outright. We're talking blood-soaked ground here. It was nasty. But the most disturbing secrets lie beneath the ground and the barracks. When English and American forces finally took the city, they discovered they had five stories above ground to look through, but more crucial.

five stories below. This, of course, took the Allies' interest because one of the things the Nazis were doing at this time, through the war, but mostly at this time as well, was stealing and hiding artwork and artifacts, and the Allies were looking for them. And since this facility was used by the SS, the Nazi paramilitary force, they wanted to check it out. But when the Allies wanted to access the lower floors, they found them deliberately sealed off and flooded. convinced this was because there was some importance going on there. Lieutenant General Brian Horrocks, the British military officer who is very famous. You can look this dude

up. Real ass dude. Ordered a dive expedition down into this water into the five lower floors to figure out what the hell was down there. This is official. It's recorded. It's on the record to see what was going on. And this,

my friends, is where the legend begins. This is like a perfect horror game. set up. This is a perfect horror. Everything's set up. All right, Bob, you're the only one that's qualified to do this. You can't go in with anybody else. And all we got is a flashlight and a diving suit. Good luck. And if any horrors are down there, just ring this bell. Pull this string. We'll pull you right out. Three elite divers are sent down. Each tethered by a line and sent in different areas to maximize the exploration for the submerged levels.

30 minutes later, only one diver returned. He was pulled out, screaming, eyes, filled with terror. He was raving like a lunatic and had to be heavily sedated. When he finally was calm enough to speak, his account was horrifying. He described seeing strange symbols and pentagrams etched into the walls. As he went deeper and the third floor, the third level down, he swore he saw mutilated corpses strapped to chairs. They were arranged in weird, profane, maybe a cult-like rituals. He saw bodies missing limbs, abdomens ripped open. And most shockingly, the further he went down, he swears he saw a person who had a

goat's head grafted onto their neck. What? But the worst part, the thing that I think shattered his mind is that he claimed they weren't floating their dead and still. He saw them twitching and moving as if they were alive. huh what the fuck the two other divers i was going to say what about the two that didn't come back were never recovered they pulled back the lines and they were gone just gone this is all on record on record when the rest of the british forces finally arrived they sealed off the subterranean level

when they finally occupied the town officially they just sealed it off completely permanently what did they destroy it at some point did nobody ever go back down there like what happened the place no clue i'm sure many people have theories of what was down there it could just be allied propaganda to make the Nazis look bad. Right. Like it could be anything. We really don't know. There's nothing else after that, except insanely during the Cold War, the building was used

as a NATO barracks. And the soldiers who lived there reported a lot of strange things. Soldiers would wake up to the sound of jackboot marching in empty halls. Their windows would, you know, which were like seven feet off the ground, would see silhouettes of German men walking past them. One officer claimed he saw Panzer Division on the campgrounds or parade grounds. One guy, Martin Fox, claimed that he had levitated eight feet off the air while sleeping. So he's like, Jesus, that sounds sick.

On the upper level, men would find strange symbols scratched, scratched into the floor or the walls from an unknown source to the point where recruits would dare each other to sleep in those rooms. the creepy thing here is and this is the thing that I think makes this story really like kind of sad is that there are multiple documented like documented cases of a spike in medical discharges and most tragically an unusually high rate of suicide among the troop station there what the fuck was it some unseen force was it wartime stress no one really knows but the information it's there it's online you can look at it up. This isn't like a weird guy tells weird story kind of thing. Like there was something going on this place. It is very much known for this. To this day, I don't know if anyone's ever tried to get down there. I couldn't tell you. I'm curious. I'm so curious. It seemed like the British soldiers sealed it off permanently from the world. That's interesting. I don't ever said this, but my, the house I grew up in in the basement on the walls from the previous

tenants had pentagram shit that said 666 gateway to hell it was in like a part of the basement nothing ever happened down there i mean there's sometimes like again this could be a story crafted by the allies to get people to like hate the germans even more like it's possible like it could be like the thule society type like you'd like basically writing a hellboy story basically yeah yeah it very much could be but it's one of those things where there's no evidence to say it wasn't because they sealed it off yeah that's interesting yep and incredibly weird and i felt we should end with that what was that move wasn't there a movie kind of like that with what riot white rustling there there's definitely like a zombie movie that's

notsy based for sure yeah something like that yeah's there yeah i'm pretty sure there is it's like uh oh man what's that called there's definitely a zombie Nazi movie it's called like overlord or Operation Overlord, something like that. Which was, by the way, supposed to be in the, that one Cloverfield universe. Oh, really? Okay. But I don't know how. I can't explain why, but it was supposed to be.

This was going to be like a Cloverfield film? Yeah, it was. I'm sure there's an article a lot. You could look it up and see why. I don't know why. But it was announced at a Super Bowl and then released on Netflix like the next day or something. That was actually paradox. Yeah.

Yeah, we should watch that on Rotten popcorn at some point. honestly the chlorophyll lane that's a great movie except for the last five minutes 10 goreville lane i like that that movie was awesome yeah yeah i like john gubman carrying that on his back and that man is great we got to go do a minisode thank you so much jesse for starting us off in the spooky month and i'm like fascinated with the mortis stuff even further and uh this rat house thing i'm curious if anybody has any knowledge about that shit whether you live near it or you know people who like worked in that area i'd love to know it's not sexy even if it's like that's lie I would like to just know.

Yeah, I would just like to know. That is interesting as shit. Is it still there? Is that the idea? Yeah. I mean, you can look up photos of it. It is a red-bricked kind of gothic-y-looking giant barracks. All right.

All right. Yeah. If anybody out there has any connection, I'd love to know if there's any truth or the rumors persist. Still, I'm curious. Oh, definitely the rumors persist. You can look up articles from this year on it still. But are they real or is this like the longest best proposition? against the Nazis there ever was.

I'm curious. I'm going to be doing some research on it. It's crazy that you would need, again, it's crazy that you would need propaganda against the Nazis. But with that said, it was a different time. Different time. Back then,

we didn't hate the Nazis and realize there were a bunch of fascist idiots with their thumbs up their own butts. No. Right up their butts. Yeah. Right. So far up of them.

All right. Thank you all so much for listening. We're off to Patreon.com to do a minisode for this week. As always, we'll be back next week with a brand new episode, uh, starting a two-parter for another. true crime series, spent a while, whoever, who better to do during the vampire, during the

Halloween season then, the vampire killer of Sacramento, Richard Chase. Oh, wow. So we'll be doing a two-parter on Richard Chase starting next week. Vampire the masquerade bloodlines too, baby. Nah, that's this month. I can't wait. All right, hey, that's it. Thank you guys for listening.

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