Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 321: Richard Chase Part 2 - Ending the Chase

Episode Date: October 26, 2025

The spooktacular season continues with a Vampire theme'd serial killer. Mike, Jesse and Alex come to the conclusion of the Richard Chase story! Thank you to CashApp All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Jolumani podcast, episode 321. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by one of my best friends, Jesse Cox, and also special guest taking the seat of Alex today, RFK Jr. Thank you so much for being on the show. I like Final Fantasy 2, the most of the Final Fantasies. I'm really excited to talk about Tylenol and circumcision cause autism today.

I'm all right. You know, you know, I'm good on this bit. Oh, no, my connection's breaking up. Yeah, I don't want to do this bit.

That guy sucks. And you're stupid if you believe in him. and Cheryl Hines is out. Final Fantasy 6 is the greatest Final Fantasy. Oh, no. What do you think? What do you think?

Bigly huge. What do you think the Final Fantasy of the right is? Like, just as entertainment, like, what do you think most people who vote for Trump? Like, what their, what is the, if you like Final Fantasy? If you like Final Fantasy and you voted for Donald Trump, your favorite Final Fantasy is. Oh, interesting question. I think it's Final Fantasy. seven. Sorry.

No way. The eco-terrorist. Actually, you're absolutely right. They did not read into that. It's like rigid. No, yeah. You are right. They 100% did not understand. Damn, you are. I was going to say eight, maybe. Like, I can see eight. Nobody's favorite Final Fantasy is eight except for Michael Davis. And he almost went down the

alt-right pipeline thanks to fucking Star Wars. So you like... Interesting shit. They try and get you racist. They try and make you hate... It's the conspiracy theories. It's been our battle for seven and a half years. in this damn show. We're trying to save you by acting like assholes

all the time. We're trying to save you by acting like stupid idiots all the time to keep your third eye open. You're welcome. Our real selves, our real selves, we're super serious,

no nonsense guys in real life. We walk through our normal days. We cross our T's, we dot our eyes, but here we flew around to teach you how to have fun. How to find mystery in the world again. We're also circumcised.

also i just became an old like oh boy yeah yeah yeah i mean that's about okay here we go yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's kind of is that 50% trump 50% like oh i can't do one because i don't do one that was a first of its kind right there that was a big head's wife yeah that was big head's wife yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you wow that's a 10 out of 10 impression right that oh boy you got that and alex's ralph nigo we can always have them as special guess at any point i'm what for common Don't blame me. I didn't vote at all. Okay, we got to get down.

They already pick who's going to win way in advance. The prices of dog food have gotten higher. It's not my fault. I eat flies and there's plenty of those. All right. If you want to get Jesse and Alex back, head over to patreon.com slash illuminate pod so we can pay them to come back.

Not even worth it. It's a wonderful restaurant. It's a restaurant? What? You said it's a wonderful restaurant. I'm just doing little bits just for myself. Don't worry about it. Oh, okay.

You're off on your own, looking away off of way from the life. It's just for you. This is my first day of the year where I've worn a jacket. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it just, I'm, I'm in a whole other headspace right now. I feel like, I feel like a hobbit. I feel my hibernation brain is turning on.

I'm getting dumber by the minute as it gets colder. Yeah. Perfect for this show, actually. Yeah. Also, for Patreon, we're going to be doing a Neil Breen movie next, I think. but also next month age of disclosure finally releases and you bet your fucking bottom dollar we're going to be watching that on rotten popcorn i can't wait that movie was supposed to be out almost a year ago i hope when we when we watch it we're sitting there in the rubble of our previous

worldview yeah me and we're just thinking wow aliens are here is that's weird that when i hear the phrase age of disclosure it makes me think of like the subtitle of a really shitty movie it makes me feel like marketing brain kicking in as it should be it makes me feel like all the normal Marvel comics stop being published Furious 11 age of disclosure like they don't publish Spider-Man they don't publish X-Man they don't publish fantastic for it all stops and then there's like age of disclosure version of everything

yeah yeah I love that they change you know Reed Richards is like he's he's got like a he looks like a gray now he has like the big orbid head for some reason Magnetos of Disclosure for some reason. Oh, no, for some reason. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Well, it is this personal hell. All right. No, we got to talk about the show, boys. We got to get on the episode because today is the second and final part of the vampire killer of

Sacramento. I'll admit it. I was killing time trying to get away from the animal Coca-Cola slurry. I don't want to get back there. We'll revisit that slurry briefly at the more toward the end of today's episode. We can leave the slurry in the slurry. I don't want to sip it. I don't want to see it.

I don't want to. I don't you sip it. I might make you sniff it. Okay. All right. What? Hashtag sniff the slurry. Hashtag. Remember hashtag? Nibbleble slurry? Yeah, I don't like that.

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ink brand visit cash app legal podcast for full disclosure what are you waiting for Download cash app today by using the link of the scripture opinion to comment below. Trust me, it's going to love you. You're going to want that you cash out. Yeah, I can't cash out. Well, welcome back to the horror show of this topic. In part one of our series last week, we talked about Richard Chase and we charted like the utter, the complete journey from birth to his disintegration and his falling apart psyche. We started with his poisoned environment of a home with his abusive disciplinarian father and a mother.

that was having constant paranoid delusions that her husband was trying to poison her, even at one point thinking his mistress was hiding in a bush while they were on vacation together, which also like kind of was a seed that was planted in Richard's mind at a young age. And then we followed his path as he grew up. We saw him exhibiting the classic but terrifying precursors of the McDonald triad, which is the bedwetting, fire starting, and the early but compulsive torture and killing of animals um yeah it's the mcdonald triad again as we said last episode the basic stuff you know you're fun yeah as we said last week the macdonald triad is out of date which is why we don't

talk about it anymore but he is basically the founder yeah yeah he was like the textbook case for this uh he also had his own burgeoning paranoid schizophrenia coming on uh also which was accelerated by his marijuana and lSD use which was quite heavy if we remember we talked about that last week as well. Remember, he was having like full on somatic delusions, too. Hearing voices, seeing people, thought his body itself was failing him, disintegrating from the inside. His heart would stop because his pulmonary artery had gotten stolen. His blood was slowly turning to powder in his veins. All stuff that he fully, fully believed was happening to him. And this is the thing that would eventually be the reason he started murdering, or at least the reason he gave himself that he

started murdering people because that's how he would replace his blood first. That's actually a great way of describing it is just the reason that he gave himself because let's review. Yeah. Yeah, please. None of it was happening. He just, he just decided that his blood was powder. It's the only answer that made sense, Alex.

Yes, the only answer in his world and his reality that made any goddamn sense. I don't even really actually understand the logic of it. Like, like the, why is it? Okay. So why does it become normal? Like, okay, if you have powder, right, and that's your blood. Yeah, but it's turning to powder.

Right. So that is blood, though, that is the powder, right? Yeah, yeah. So the answer is you drink other blood to make the blood back into your blood. Doesn't make fucking sense. It doesn't turn your blood back into it. It takes the blood that you swallowed and puts it all in your veins and refills it with that. It makes it more liquid.

Was he only sucking the blood of people of his own blood type? No, no. It's starting with animals. Right. That's exactly what I'm saying. Remember, he tried to inject rabbit blood directly into his veins and got blood poisoning. This is exactly what I'm saying. The very logic of it, even if I'm going to entertain the concept of my blood being powder

for a second, sure. All I want to do is have maybe like some water, right, to maybe reconstitute it like Kool-Aid into blood. Yeah. Right? So that my blood returns. Here's my theory. He was mentally ill.

Like, I just think, you know, you have no evidence of that. There's no. There's no. The other part, too, is like, it's hard to understand. He's mentally ill. Yeah. That's true. That's true.

I thought the two times he was put in a facility and let go both times, you know, the second time they let him go after he bit the heads off of birds and was drinking blood. They said, well, man, you're cured. Yeah, after a year, okay, you got a year on that second go. Well, dude, that's it. We've done all we can. You're back. Remember, he was even found by police at one point near Pyramid Lake that when he was

covered in cow's blood, armed with a gun. completely naked. I didn't forget. I can't believe he lived. I can't believe he lived through that. If I saw that come out of the woods and I was holding a firearm. I don't think he'd live now a day. Maybe.

Well, I don't know. Maybe. Depends. He's white. I'm just saying, if I was holding a firearm and a man came out of the woods with a weapon and covered in blood. I know. I don't know what I would have done.

But just to close out this recap, we ended last week with Richard Chase having purchased his 22 caliber pistol by lying on the federal form. He was fully unmedicated again after getting out of the psychiatry ward thanks to his mother's direct intervention of weaning him and off and then kicking him out. And then he was operating on his own internal logic of wandering neighborhoods and checking for unlocked doors because an unlocked door. Yeah, that's their fault then. Well, that was a direct invitation by them to him to come inside.

And the very last thing we saw him do was his like tests. run of shitting in a baby's crib. Do you think a real vampire can manifest an invitation like that? Do you think like a real vampire could convince themselves that they've been invited in by a door? If we're looking at vampire the masquerade fifth edition rules, is a legacy floor one can take as a player. Of course. That's like, that's like fairy tale restrictions on vampires.

It's called a legacy flaw. Yeah. It's like you can take it and it'll, it'll give you like one of the romanticized problems vampires have, like not being able to be invited in. and I don't think you can logic yourself a way around it. You have to have the other person directly saying if you believe that you've been invited in,

if you believe you've been invited in? It's a supernatural restriction, right? Like, it's not a psychological restriction. If you're not invited and you step through, you likely start taking, well, in Vampire the Mascar, Fifth Edition, aggravated damage, and that will kill you. So the person has to want you to come inside.

Yes. Do you think that you invite you in? They invite you in. They may not need to want you to come inside, but they still have to invite you side do you think he knew about the masquerade fifth edition i don't think so do you think this he had a legacy flaw this might be his legacy flaw this might be where it came from okay just one is that was the last i appreciate it i just trying to build the bridge back to the to the plot

you know what i'm saying yeah we found it yeah so the last thing we talked about was he should There it is, the plot. There it is, the plot. He's shit in a crib. And the crib incident was just kind of just a pure expression of his rage. I'm so glad nothing in my life is called the crib incident. The crib incident. Yeah, dude.

There's no crib. There's no way you can take something called the crib incident at all make it good. Like, there's no good crib incident. And I don't know if it gets, like, you can't get much better than shitting in a crib. I mean, unless you're a baby, in which case, all right. The crib incident that one time. the baby went to bed peacefully and didn't make a sound? No.

Yeah. The crib incident is when the baby took a shit all over the crib or something. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, this crib incident, while thrilling to his inner rage and hostility to the world, did nothing to satisfy the all-consuming physical need his psychosis had created in his mind

because his blood was still in his mind slowly turning to dust. And so the hunt that followed was no longer for him, a thrill or a place to leave his mark now he's like he's truly in survival mode in his own psychosis he was now like on a mission to make sure he got blood so he didn't end up dying he's basically just invited he's just he's just chaos magic to himself into being Voldemort like he has like become a slithering predator of men because he believes he must do so in order to further his existence like an animal. That's so fucking.

And I left out. How do you get here, and his mom and stuff that I left out? And I don't think I actually mentioned my sources last week because I kind of just jumped into the actual story. So shout out at the very top of the episode to the main source for this one, which is a thirst for blood by Lieutenant Ray Biondi and Walt Hickok's.

Great book for this. It really goes over the case on that one. Yeah, yeah. It's very, very good. And there's a lot of stuff that I left out with his mom and stuff like if you ever want to obviously learn the entire story and every horrible thing the man did feel free but we were already almost a two hours last week i felt like it was probably good to not talk about i'm chill on the coke slur like that was as far as i ever as as far as i ever needed

to go i was i forgot about i forgot about it right like after last week and then my wife kelly like listened to it and was like dude that's that was that was a lot right and i was like oh yeah like I fucking completely forgot that that happened. And then I was reminded and it was just as bad again. Yeah, it's never good. It's not going to get any better this time around either. Oh. It's only going to get worse for the people who are not,

who are very squeamish and not, you know, cannot handle like violence much. It's a very violent episode. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. Patreon.com. Let's deluminati,

so we find ourselves back on December 29th, 1977, only days after, remember, his mother rejected him from coming inside. So we tore a cat with his bare hands and two in front of him on the front lawn. His mother silently cleaned up the cat's corpse, shut the door, locked it, and still did not let him inside, but also did not contact anybody or any authorities at all. I remember. And so days after that final rejection from his mom, he found his first human target. His victim was Ambrose Griffin, a 51-year-old engineer. He was a husband, a father of two, and by all accounts that I could find, just a completely normal dude, a respectable home, like family man. He had no criminal ties, no known enemies. He was just kind

of existing going about his Monday tasks of his normal life. And that afternoon, Griffin had returned home from work and was in his driveway in East Sacramento, unloading groceries from his car. And it's just a pitch, kind of pitch perfect suburban normal day when all of that would be completely shattered. Because as he stood there, his car quietly pulled up to the curb, there was no exchange of words, no robbery demand, no confrontation at all, just a car pulling up, stopping, and from inside the vehicle, Richard Chase raised his 22 caliber pistol, fired a single shot that struck Griffin in the chest, and then simply drove away.

Ambrose Griffin immediately collapsed on the pavement, and his killer was gone. What the fuck? that is i know that's so simple right i know that's just like it's the most simple out of all this kills that he's got but that is so chilling in another yeah that's yeah i agree like that's even because like what do you do right like it's a dude who pulls up he's there for 10 seconds there's there's they they don't know each other he doesn't know richard chase richard chase did not stalk this man he was a random thing just pulled up on a day where you're grabbing groceries you pull a pistol, pop them and drive away as a normal person that just like lives your day to

day. That's a horrifying. I mean, that can happen anyone. Anyone anytime. You can get killed in any stupid way. The interesting thing about this is that the progression seems to be break into a person's home and poop in a crib. Yep. And then the next thing is drive by shooting, which to me is fascinating mentally for him because it shows what like he needed to do to build up to this. He is still cowardly

and that he sneaks into the home and he's freaking out and he's like well I got to see what I can do so he takes a dump in the crib and then pieces out. Yep. And his next but he like he wants to kill. He just tried to but he can't bring himself to kill yep. Yeah. And so he poops in a bed. Now he's like well I got to kill but

he's still too much of a coward to face a person and kill them. So he drives up. He's like I got to get kid out of the way and just pops a dude drives off it is even about the guy it's about him coming to terms of like i have to kill people he's baby they have to do this so this is my first kill and i in another one we never really get an answer as to why he killed this guy but unlike the other ones that are to come there's no ritual there's no blood like you know drinking or whatnot and there's theories and we'll talk a little bit about it in the script that i wrote here but like it's also it's like only one that was like kind of a pop and run and i think you're right again it's the serial killer he i think

he's I still like I think he's a serial killer who's just dominated by a psychosis and so he's still dominated by his rage sometimes and that's where you get the other random acts of shitting in the crib and stuff and this is another one where he'd been rejected by his mother four days prior he's utterly pissed off and this is his I'm going to do it but like you said he's too much of a bitch to get out of the car and give the person any sort of chance of like knowing what's about to happen um and the whole time to fair fight it's about like I'm going to kill someone that's it. Yeah, exactly. And Griffin's wife was actually in the house when this happened. She said she heard the sharp popping, like, sound. But her mind thought logical, nonviolent explanation, a car backfiring

or something. Sure. And so when she looked outside and saw her husband collapse in the driveway, uh, that she realized something was completely wrong, but still her first assumption wasn't a gunshot. She thought sudden catastrophic like heart attack. Like he didn't got shot in the chest. He fell to the ground. But obviously the truth was that it was just he got shot in a cold, completely random murder. And there was when paramedics and a police arrived, it was a little bit too late. For Sacramento Police Department also on this, the murder of Ambrose Griffin was what they called a ghost crime because it had no known motive, no witnesses, no connection to the victim whose wallet and possessions obviously were untouched because he didn't get robbed. The white can see anything.

This nightmare. Yeah, it's like the thing, yeah, the thing we, we, I think we've talked about in our true crime episodes before in serial killers, but, you know, this is another good example of that is like, the reason serial killers often get caught is because they have, they usually stick within their living distance and they usually have a type, a stalking method. And cops are usually, they usually fuck up along the way also, which allows them to get away for a long time. But they, but they usually is a pattern when the, especially back in the 60s and 70s when surveillance. is not nearly as dominant as it is today. You have like a GPS in your pocket at all times. Like to just drive up and shoot somebody and drive away with no reason to, no,

you don't have no connection. The cops have nothing. There's nothing they can fucking do other than obviously file a report and keep an eye out. They don't have any way to deal with this at this time. It's crazy. It's a detective's worst nightmare at this point. And the victim, like I said, had no connections that would point to a hit like or crime of passion.

no no mistress on the side that would have been like i'm going to kill him for you know not leaving him it was just randomness an absolute nothing absolute random chaotic act no with no where to go it was a dead end the cops canvassed the neighborhood but but no one had gotten a good look at the car or the driver uh the whole thing was over in an instant the case was for all intents and purposes just dead on arrival under the police and the public this was a really disturbing but baffling but bafflingly isolated incident it was a statistical anomaly in a very quiet suburb, and they didn't really have a way to react to that.

What they didn't know is that it was just the opening salvo to about a week and a half's worth of violent terror run across this area. From Chase's perspective, though, the murder was both a success and a failure. It was a success in that it was a massive release of that homicidal rage that we were just talking about, that I've been building up inside of him, thanks to his mother's rejection. and this was him crossing a final line. He had also now proven to himself that he could kill a human being and just like at Pyramid Lake,

he had gotten away with it seemingly with simple ease. And in the one way that truly mattered to his psychosis, it was also a huge failure. A drive-by shooting is a distant and very impersonal and cowardly act. He didn't get his hands on the victim. He didn't perform his ritual and he didn't get any blood, which was the most critical thing. And the central delusion, the powdering of his veins was still like tormenting him in his mind.

Yeah, I just realized that, yeah, he kind of failed. He didn't, he killed a guy, but the whole point of killing for him is to take the sip. He needed to get his little Coke slurry on. Right. Which shows the dichotomy between the psychosis and the rage killer that is actually still would, I think, be there regardless of his psychosis. It's the justification just fully slipping. It's just him totally. proving to himself, or at least to the listener, that he doesn't care.

But for him, this also kind of like, in a way, taught him a lesson. Because if he was going to get the cure that he so desperately needed for his psychosis to be satisfied, killing isn't enough. He needed to harvest the person. Do you think he was worried about it in an earnest way? You don't think he was just saying it because he was actually just feeling the need to kill and was saying, oh, you know what? I got to eat this. I got to drink this blood. instead of saying i would love to kill someone right there's nothing about him so far

that says that he would do like you know i don't he's not lying about a psychosis he's just not not i don't mean he hasn't like done anything about it isn't related to it i think is the the thing i do i do think it bothered him i do think he let the rage went out and it like muted it whatever because it's just that boiling red rage and we went back and realized it didn't do what he the psychosis demanded it started to gnaw at him and it started to like because like He still believes his shit is like dusting in his veins at this point. And so after that first attack, after getting away with it, the next attack he decided would have to be different.

So he knew he couldn't do it from a car, that he would have to get inside the thing he'd been practicing opening doors for for so long. So for the next three and a half weeks, the city of Sacramento existed in a constant, uneasy, unaware, quiet because the police still had no leads during that time and the public had no idea that this random killer was not a one-off thing. They didn't know that he was still out there and that he had merely gone back to being patient, methodical, walking the streets again. He started testing door knobs again.

Rebuilding it up like he did last time. Very serial killer-esque of him. For Richard Jace, like, this is all that mattered now. The next kill meant that his core driving delusion had to be sated because now it wasn't just a passing thought. this is a terminal mind, a terminal condition that would be killing him if he didn't harvest anything.

So after that, after that kill on the 29th of December, to late January is how long he tested doorknobs again, hunting again, not finding anybody. For three and a half weeks, he didn't actually pull the trigger. But on January 23rd,

1978, his patient hunt finally did pay off again. His quote unquote invitation came from a 22-year-old woman named Teresa Wallen. She was a newlywed, and worse off, she was three months pregnant with her first child. And when you say that, you just mean her door was open? Correct. Oh, yeah. Air quotes, air quotes invitation.

Like, there was no real invitation here. His invitation is his psychosis being like, I found an unlocked door. She had just, like, they just began their happy little domestic life. And on that day, she was home. Malone doing just mundane chores. She was taking out the garbage. And just taking out the garbage, that simple act that all of us do many, many times over the course of her lives, she accidentally left her door unlocked when she went

back inside. And that moment, lapse of caution is all that was needed for Richard Chase, who was prowling her street at that time. And that unlocked knob was the invitation that he had been looking for for the past. month. So he slipped inside her home, silent and unseen, and waited. We do not know the exact sequence of the next few moments. We don't know if he hid and waited. We don't know if we, or did she, we don't know if she walked back in to find him standing in her living room. He basically slipped in while she was taking the garbage at the ladder. People say is more likely that he was just in

the living room waiting because the site, like he just walked in. Again, if you remember, the site of this man is filthy. He's emaciated. He's got the sunken crazy look that he has in the arrest photos that we, we've seen. Um, and all he did when she stepped back in was raised his 22 caliber pistol and shot her three times in her quiet suburban home. And the life of Trisa Wallen and her unborn child was a 22 caliber pistol. Like a little baby gun. Yeah, he shot her three times like a close range, but yeah, like a handgun. Because his hunting rifle was 22 caliber hunting rifle and then you got a pistol instead after that. You're going to look up what it looks like.

Yeah, I forget what it looks like. But you can look it up. Like a police officer's gun, like a gun. Yeah, yeah. But you were saying before that he had a rifle. So he's using like a baby gun is a I didn't mean. You know, I put it this way. So the rifle, the rifle was when he was with the cow. He got arrested. The rifle was taken away. When he got back out of the psychiatric ward, he went and bought the pistol. Understood. Okay. All right. So reliant it up in case people

did a, you know, I lost him there. So, yeah, he shot her three times. The life of both of them were lost. But this was just the start because now he was going to do the ritual. The murder, again, this is when he would consider him a product killer. He's very much after the body. He's left less interested in the act of killing itself. And he had what he finally wanted to, a secure location with a fresh victim and time.

So what he did next was an honestly, a list of psychotic ritualistic violence he was acting out every fantasy that is madness that concocted over the many many years first he dragged her body from the living room into the bedroom and from there he sexually assaulted her corpse for a while yikes this was the while like we don't there's no timeline other than like what autopsy reports say obviously we don't know um this was also like him let this is again more evidence of his physical like the physical manifestation of his serial killer tendencies, that sexual rage that even Jesse brought up the end of last episode,

that a lot of this is tied to his impotence from his youth. Here is shown bright and bright daylight. She can't mock him if she can't talk. Exactly. There's nothing you can do. And so he just assaulted her and desecrated this home. And after that, he then went to their kitchen, found a butcher knife and returned to the bedroom,

where he stabbed her body repeatedly. With the butcher knife? Over and over and over again. Again, another expression of that same deep violent rage that just sat underneath. Then, driven by a central delusion, he began to mutilate her body. He cut off her nipples. He sliced her abdomen open and disemboweled her. He was not like he was, then he started harvesting the inner organs.

He then returned to the kitchen and searched for a condition. container. He found a small, empty yogurt cup, a detail that seems so mundane and it becomes kind of like grotesque in its own way. And he brought the yogurt cup back to the bedroom and used it as a sort of makeshift chalice for his ritual, scooping and collecting her blood from her body cavities that he created. Then he just simply drank it. This was his cure. This was the act he believed was so necessary to replenish his own powdering blood. He also cut out. He also cut out and consumed several of her internal organs. Like this was a full on ritualistic, psychotic act.

And again, he was somewhat under control when he was on his medication when he was out. Like he was doing slightly better. Before leaving, though, he smeared the remaining blood on the bedroom walls and just like a, again, a final violent, angry, rage-filled signature. And calmly, as far as we understand, left the home, got in his car. and went home later that day her husband david wallen returned home to that scene that would just traumatize the poor poor man the house was obviously quiet but when he walked in and saw everything uh the detailing the just the chilling scene he just he it's it's it's it's hard i can't

i can't imagine what he went through and the you know the things that we know of about him afterwards just really based on the description of what yeah Yeah. Happened to her. I can't even imagine what that would look like. That would be terrible. And the police who responded to his frantic call were also hardened professionals, but they were also utterly unprepared for what they would walk into in that bedroom.

The savage brutality of the scene was beyond anything. Any of the officers had ever encountered in their entire careers, the mutilation, the disembowlment, the obvious ritualistic nature of like what happened in here. One of the police officers said it looked like a. a vision straight out of hell. Investigators realize now that this is not just a random one-off murder, that this was the work of someone not only profoundly disturbed, but someone who may be a actual serial killer in their neighborhood on their hands now.

And in that moment, the baffling Ambrose Griffin shooting from a month earlier snapped into focus for a couple of the officers. Now, this wasn't seen as an anomaly. And while I have said and did say that the police officers fucked up. multiple times by not grabbing onto this guy when they had him, not realizing who he was. This is one of the few cases where once they have an idea of what's going on, the police seem to actually give a damn and try. And we'll see that actually pay off.

The fact that they were connected these two immediately spoke well, but unfortunately it wasn't enough to stop him from doing more murders beforehand. But they were most almost certainly connected for them. In Sacramento, they now knew, had potential serial killer on their hands who was wandering their streets. And while that may have brought a sense of relief to them, that relief was short-lived. The residence on the Wall and Discovery was January 23rd, and it would only be a few days again before he would step out and murder for the third time. Now, this is where we talk about how people debate, and I know we talked about it last week, but the debate this the serial killer nature or spree killer nature because while it's over the course

of like a month there was the ambrose griffin killing three and a half weeks of nothing then about five days where he killed five other people uh and then that was the end of it it was very much a burst and while it sounds like a long time in in the context of his of his story it's like one killing a long about three and a half weeks of nothing and then a burst killing so whether he is a serial killer or not uh i don't you know i still don't know if i'd put him in serratics but like it is semantics if there's anybody who listens i know we have a few people who are like in the psychiatry field i don't know if there's still a definitive difference between the two i'd be curious if whoever whoever's listening know who would know the difference knows why

better than we do there is a difference and if this guy was one or the other because uh like i said this guy just immediately started going out and being more violent after this like this kill where he was up close personal mutilating it snapped something in him where he was just okay i'm going to do this again i mean when you're at the point you're cutting off nipples like there's no going back like that's taking a shit in a crib that's like uh assholes can do that you don't have to be like a truly diabolical evil person wise words this dude went in he like cut her up disembowled her and then like you know what for good measure off with the nipple like that's you there's no dude that's too much yeah that's too much maybe that's where he drank from

to have the blood go into him uh i'm just trying to find the logic why he did it you know what i mean because he's fucking a little bitch she's a little tiny bitch with a ding down with don't work and he's so upset like yeah just screw him uh obviously in your mind you're saying he's like well that's where the milk comes from so that's where the blood should come from yeah that's what you think he was that's where i think he was thinking that's where i think he was thinking that was what he was logic is very wrong he's like that's how it works that's how it works and obviously because it's the 70s is not a lot going on back then either this murder made its way across the media across the community and the effect this particular murder had on the community

was immediate apparently gun stores were flooded with like terrified citizens who many of whom who had never owned a weapon in their entire lives were now buying handguns shotguns were flying off the shelves hardware stores apparently were selling out of dead bolts window locks chains for the doors wooden dowels for jamming uh sliding glass doors this was a city that had felt safe forever like a fortress and now felt like they had been completely violated and were horrified and the vampire of sacramento uh nickname was now about to be picked up on but yeah you like look how we reacted to the fucking like covid 19 with all the toilet paper going off like you know this is the time where gun laws are even looser than they are today to some degree, people were going

to go arm themselves. The Sacramento Police, for the Sacramento Police Department, the situation had now escalated from that frustrating cold case to an all-out crisis. They were facing a killer of a type they had never dealt with before, and the public was demanding answers they just didn't fucking have. They were, however, able to make one grim, but brutally crucial connection, while the method was drastically different from the Griffin's shooting to the weapon, from the Griffin shooting, the weapon was still the same. The bullets found in the recent victim were 22 caliber, just like the one that was found in Griffin.

So there was still that connection. This was a revelation for them. Now they're trying to figure out why the method was different. How could, for them right now, how they were thinking themselves, how could the same person be as a disorganized psychotic mutilator and also a detailed. catch cold sniper. They're looking for patterns because that's what they're trained to look for when there really isn't a pattern here other than the weapon.

The two crime types contradicted each other and they painted a portrait of somebody who was just unpredictable or potentially in their mind evolving and that also was unpredictable. This for them, again, to the police department's credit, they realized they were facing a depth and breadth of something they were not ready for. So they made a call that would become standard police practice in the decades to come, but was at the time a kind of new and novel approach. They decided to reach out to the FBI's budding behavioral science unit in Quantico, Virginia, of which they're learning their, the behavioral sciences thing are learning from one of the

killer killers we've talked about before. Bumblebutt, Ed Kemper. Do you remember us talking about Ed Kemper? Yeah, I just don't remember Bumblebub being a part. I know exactly who that was a stupid nickname. That was him from the show, from Mind Hunter, right? Yes, yes. That's him, Mind Hunter.

We also did talk about him, like, we did a series on him in this show as well. But, like, he was the first serial killer to, like, work with him, just openly talk about his motivations and why. And this bureau that is now around and, like, has that information, this police department's reaching out to. And this is a whole new thing. This was the era where men like Robert Ressler and John Douglas. agents who were at the very moment developing the new field of psychological profiling, which at the time was actually kind of controversial. The data from Wallen and Griffin crime scenes was relayed over to them,

and they began to construct a theoretical portrait of the man they were hunting in the area. The profile they built, though, was actually chillingly accurate. They told the Sacramento police that they were not looking for a criminal mastermind that they thought they might be. They were actually looking for a young, white male, likely, his mid to late 20s, he would be a profound loner, socially inept, and almost certainly unemployed, likely living in some form of disability or family support. His residency FBI they predicted would be a complete mess reflecting his own internal, disorganized, and chaotic state of mind at the time, and that he would likely be thin, undernourished, and filthy as he would

neglect his own personal hygiene, hygiene, and nutrition. They surmised he had a known history of mental illness, specifically paranoid schizophrenia, and likely had a history of drug and alcohol abuse, that he would not be a sophisticated killer who stalked victims. I mean, fucking nailed it. Obviously, most of this comes from the

what he did to the body after the killing. The fact that she was killed and then he did all of his like horrible, horrible shit after it showed that like, again, somebody who doesn't, you're going to wait for an opportunity to be alone with somebody to take out

on somebody who can't talk back, who can't say anything, who can't make fun of him. Like, they're just putting together the in-cell, you know, in a weird way. And they also said that he was probably opportunistic and struck at random if the opportunity arose, which fit the profile of how he would check doors. Most critically, though, they warn that a killer this disorganized and driven by whatever powerful internal fantasy would not be able to stop themselves. They would keep killing until you caught them. that the wall and murder that they had with this grandiose body desecration wasn't a grand finale,

but this was likely a huge escalation and it would only get worse from here. He had now successfully performed his quote-unquote ritual and the relief that he felt from it would only be temporary, which is them learning from serial killers, how they go into a cool-down period and come back. And he was, they warned, almost certainly going to kill again and he would do it soon. The FBI's profilers were exactly correct. Richard Chase, the murder of Teresa Wallen. For Richard Chase, the murder of Teresa Wallen had been a life-altering success because he'd finally done it.

He had satisfied the horrifying, desperate thirst of his psychosis that had been created and he had consumed the blood and organs of a victim and had in his mind staved off his own internal decay, finally with the blood of a human and no longer that of animals. But obviously his mental illness, surprise and prize, didn't get cured after this. No way. No way, dude. I know. Kind of weird.

I was banking on that, dude. Yeah, yeah. I know. I was hoping that after that he'd just be able to end, you know, they'd be able to go a little peaceful life. And he started in a village. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately, the powdering of his blood was a chronic condition. Before we move forward, though, Jesse, visually, the audio list is can't see. But you looked like you wanted to say something. You were tip tapping your fingers together. No, I was just listening to you to go on with like, it's just. these are always these are always a lot but they're fascinating looks at the human psyche uh even though their actions are truly insane the i get why psychologists get into like criminal

psychology because it's fascinating to look at like this is what happens to people sometimes right that's i'm the same way that it's so fascinating to see and like see patterns in all of the killers and yet also know that tons of people grew up in the same kind of conditions that didn't turn into these people. And like, what are the unique markers for them in particular? I mean, I think that's why we ended up at the idea of the head trauma or like, I'm sure people with real degrees in this who've studied for years have their guesses as well. It's like, what's the thing that ticks someone over? Or is it one of those like, we all have the capacity? You know, like that? Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I have no clue.

to fit into that serial killer mode that we're talking about a lot of serial killers do a kill go into a cooling off period kill and then it's a shorter cooling off period but still pretty long richard chase his longest cooling off period was the three and a half weeks between his griffin and uh wall in here because the next cooling off period lasted four days and went from january 23rd to january 27th where he uh was where that was his cooling off period but for chase there was no time time of calm, but what he called a time of absorption. He was processing his new power as the blood was working its way into his system. And as the days ticked on by, the old familiar, familiar terror of his illness began to creep back in just a few days later. I imagine the absorption process lasted a good 24 hours. And then he started getting nervous again. Do you think he thought he felt grains running through his veins?

Oh, yeah, I bet. I bet. I bet you he felt like, he's like, I could feel like, I wonder. no it's crazy dude like again i'm speaking from and not experience of this but living with somebody who was very schizophrenic like the shit my mom truly saw and like thought was happening or like speaking with is crazy even when she like when we were finally like she was got finally getting help you know one of the first times where she knew she was hallucinating she still you know was telling us in the mental hospital like she was seeing a donkey with a monkey on it, riding, riding the donkey walking into the room.

And we were watching our shoe, like, stop mid sentence, was watching this thing. But like, it is real. Like, to them, your brain is just being like real, real, real. You're smelling it. It's triggering your olfactory senses. And it makes you wonder why others can't see it. And yeah, that's fascinating. It's, it going back to the episode about the going underwater and getting nitrogen

sickness like the human brain is insanity yeah man there's a study i forget what it's called but there's also a really cool study about uh they did where they disconnected the hemispheres of the brain and each one has its own separate consciousness and they would test they would communicate it yeah they were couldn't they've all done it many many times that's fucking and the way one would could only communicate via drawing and the other one can only communicate via writing and like They would deaf in one ear and an eye because that was just one hemisphere and they would do it to the other. And they were two separate. And it was an immediate conscious that would just emerge out of the other one.

And the thing they did recently, they learned recently is if you disconnect it completely, that side of the brain goes to sleep. And it like kind of goes into a sleep. It's which people's like, there are two that are one, like the idea that you might actually be two separate identities that are working together to create a singular identity. there are two wolves dude there are two wolves inside you dude how the fuck am I supposed to rectify that with like my experience on this planet it's so crazy

I don't know it's a it's a crazy cool thing to go read about though like a human minds are insane so yeah I do think he thought like his blood was fucking dusting and he was dying and the cure was already wearing off just a couple days in and that thirst for blood would quickly

return before the pressure would mount and build and build again and this time, though, he knew exactly how to relieve it fully. So after four days, he went back to his car with his pistol and his kit of knife, and he began to prowl the streets looking for an open door, yet another invitation. The FBI profilers had warned the police that their man would kill again and quickly, and they were correct. The cure, Richard Chase, had administered to himself with the blood of Wallen,

had a surprisingly short half-life. Um, so he, as he began wandering again, uh, he would find another one Friday, January 27th in 1978, where he was in the back, uh, he was back in his car. He had his 22 caliber pistol and as he was looking for his next invitation, he would find a door open on LaGloria drive. I don't know of that. You're not from Sack. You're not in Sacramento. No, I don't know nothing about no Sacramento. Yeah, he was trying door after door after tour locked locked all locked some of them locked but then locked by a deadbolt until eventually on la gloria drive he found one that was open and with that he stepped in the home belonged to 30 year old

evelyn mirroff but the house was far from empty um evelyn was babysitting her 22 month old nephew david ferrera her six year old son jason was also there and visiting the family was a friend 50 year old daniel meredith and this was just another unsuspecting normal home life scene that he steps into that he just steps like a horror movie just breaks it all like the the lighting and the scenery changes we're like on camera for a war movie where things are in a bright little comfy orange everything dims everything gets cold because he quietly steps into the room and the sequence of events that immediately followed piece together from the horrific scene that was seen afterward represents kind of the this is the peak of his violent frenzy the first person

he encountered was Daniel Meredith, who was reportedly standing in the hallway. There was no time for a struggle. Chase was very efficient when he stepped in. He just raised his 22 and shot Meredith once in the head, killing him instantly. Jesus fucking Christ. With Meredith removed, he moved further in. The sound of a small caliber weapon was not loud, easily mistaken again for a car like backfiring or book dropping on the floor.

And if it was even heard by the others in the house, Chase then moved deeper into the house. Now he's looking for further life, and he found Evelyn Amiroth and her six-year-old son, Jason. He simply shot them both. Jason was shot in the head twice. He then moved to the 22-month-old toddler David Ferreira, who was in his playpen, and shot him in the head as well. In the span of what's likely less than two minutes, four people were killed, and the house was suddenly unnervingly silent. The murders were now complete, but obviously there was more that he had to do. this was in his mind the harvest period again he immediately focused his attention on the body body of evelyn miroth he dragged her corpse from where she had fallen into a bedroom here in the privacy of this desecrated space he performed the full grotesque ritual that he rehearsed with teresa wallen he engaged in necrophilia again he used the knife to inflict extreme post-mortem sexual mutilation on her body slicing open her abdomen again and disemboweling her like he did with teresa and this was the intersection of all of his pathology

the homicidal angry rage, that profound sexual dysfunction, and the postmortem potency of his cure that would hopefully cure his vampiric delusion dominating it. He collected and drank her blood and consumed parts of her organs and a desperate psychotic act of another self-medication. The treatment of the other victims provides yet another look kind of into his insanity. Daniel Meredith was, again, just an obstacle, and he was just killed and left where he fell. However, a six-year-old Jason, though, found shot in the same room. and his mother was otherwise also left untouched.

His body was not part of any of the ritual, which again shows the, I think, the sexual fucking driving factor that might be feeding his psychosis. The reason why people say he's also potentially a serial killer here. Everything pointed to in the crime scene that the focus was on the woman, everything on Evelyn Miroff in this house. But he still did something new that baffled investigators. and added a new, weird dimension to his crimes. He went to the playpen.

He did not perform a ritual on the 22-month-old toddler, but instead, he picked up the child's body, and he took it with him. He abducted the 22-month-old corpse. What? What the fuck, dude? Which was a wild deviation from any of the patterns that he had before, and we honestly actually do not know what the motivation for this was.

He's acting like a fucking Jaguar is what it is. He's taking it up into his, fucking tree or some shit. Well, that's what it was like, we don't know if it was a trophy, like, Siri Killis Collect, if so, weird trophy. Was it like to go container? Like, is it like food to go? Like, is he going to take this home and heat it up for dessert?

Like, we don't fucking know why he did it. Valid question. Because it could simply be Occam's Razor, like a disorganized, impulsive act of the chaos. Like, who knows why he did it. Right. But he still did. He still freaking took it.

And then his exit out of this place was frantic. And his haste, he left behind a huge amount of forensic evidence. The house was a mess of bloody handprints and footprints. That obviously would all go back to a man who had been arrested and put a psychiatry ward multiple times. His bloody shoe footprints were perfectly preserved. And the investigators would later actually confirm that they were a match to a print left in Teresa Wallen's house. The ballistics were also the same. The shoe prints the same.

The handprints matched his. and the link to them this was it they he left he was so messy he left everything they needed to connect him not only to all the other ones but it was complete lost his mind at this point just not even not even thinking anymore just doing right yeah he just complete lost in his own mind he thought he was just going to get away with everything uh and he fled the house carrying the body of the murdered toddler and he in his mind needed to get away and his own car was likely parked out front where he could be identified so he made a panic decision instead he grabbed the keys to Daniel Meredith's car. He stole the victim's vehicle and fled the scene

instead, which was a very amateur decision, you know, for having killed two people, two different groups of people. Do you think panic set in after he, like, the choices he's making right now seem crazy, but like on a whole other level of no actual thought going into it? Like, I almost wonder if in some way the reason he took the the baby was because like I think he was like yeah I killed a baby if they find this baby I'm in a lot of trouble that's way worse so he's like I'm gonna hide it like that would some way help yeah but to the point of like the stupid decisions he's making like after he stole the car he drove it a few blocks away and then abandoned it and the location he chose was like unbelievable in its stupidity he parked and abandoned the car a few hundred

yards away from his own apartment building on Watt Avenue. Just like an effect, kind of just a big old, like I live here. Kind of just out on his front door. Yeah, just the stolen cars outside of his apartment, not far away. You out there murder and stuff? Yeah, yeah. I'm Mrs. P.

He just fucking did. He just fucking did it. He just fucking was, he just fucking went and did it. He obviously had some time because the discovery of the scene wouldn't be immediate at LaGloria Drive. When the first officers respond to the call, again like the other officers walked into the other one they walked into another profound scene of chaotic violence um that looked somewhat another police officer for this one said it looked like a slaughterhouse more like a slaughterhouse than a suburban home uh the sheer scale of the crime threw them off like was very very very concerning it wasn't one victim it was just a whole household that was annihilated uh the officers upon finding the body of daniel mered evelyn merroth and the six-year-old son jason uh were now at another fucking horrible crime that they put on top of the the one they found literally fucking four days ago.

And further, if they discovered the body of, yeah, they further just discovered the body of the rest of the family, took pictures after, of everything really meant, like kind of got it all on paper and recorded, got the footprints,

got the handprints. And obviously, though, before the cops could do anything about stopping the media from covering it, this shit just immediately hit the headlines within 24 hours. But amid the chaos that was hitting the community, Chase made a, series of critical, stupid mistakes in his disorganized psychotic frenzy in his exit.

He was just, it was obvious who this now was, no longer just a ghost crime. And obviously the most, the most important thing was the car he took because the cops put out what's known as a BOLO or a B on the lookout for. And it was the car, which they had the fucking license plate to, the registration to. They knew exactly what they were looking for. and it was found super quickly abandoned. And when the police ran the location, they must,

I can't imagine what they must have felt when they ran the location because the car was parked on Watt Avenue, which was just a few blocks away from where they had fled from the Meroff home. And this told the police that the suspect was not a criminal mastermind, not only by any stretch, but so disorganized and impulsive that he was probably local. Yeah, because if you're dropping the car off close, then you could walk home.

Yeah. You could like literally get how, yeah, how you know a way to get home. Yeah. So their citywide search shrunk way down to just a few block radius.

And at the same time, the police were tightening their physical net because they were now clicking into something in a place that we talked about last week. Do you remember old school friend Nancy Holder, who we talked about in part one, who bumped into him in a supermarket. I was like,

oddly quick. Yeah. she was watching the news had a weird feeling that it might be him and so she uh put her all on edge and she then remembered her bizarre encounter at the shopping center with her old high school acquaintance richard chase she remembered the way he looked and the way his sunken eyes his like the blood stains on his sweatshirt that you remember seeing him yeah yeah and so she was like oh fuck the man she had seen the man the blood on his clothes that might have been and it wasn't human blood but to her mind she's like oh shit that might have been blood so she called the police

and said i quote i think i know who your killer is his name is richard trenton case and for the detectives that was it they had a name they ran richard chase through the system and his record must have i can't imagine must have lit up like a fucking christmas tree like his history his history of involuntary commitments uh at beverly manor popped beverly manor popped up that was like a boston accent came out of me here for a minute beverly manna The diagnosis of a severe paranoid schizophrenia popped up. The Dracula nickname from the staff got popped up on that stuff. The Pyramid Lake incident with the cow's blood popped up.

And then the final damning piece of evidence, a weapons registration for a 22 caliber semi-automatic pistol purchased just a month before the grip and murder popped all up. All of that popped up. It was all a holy shit moment in this investigation. Basically it was over. And what do you know? They looked up his address and they found that he lived in apartment number two at 2605. Watt Avenue, the same street, the same block where he put the stolen fucking car.

So dumb. What, like, I even blows my mind. Two independent leads and physical evidence was, that was it. They had him. The ghost had a name for them. So a frantic call had gone out. The canvassing officers were already in the neighborhood, all redirected. And within minutes, a heavy armed stakeout was established outside the apartment surrounding

Wall, Watt Avenue. And so they just sat there and they fucking waited. And the afternoon of the January 27th turned to evening. And at the scene of his apartment, it got even more tense. Uniformed officers and plain closed detective formed a tight arm perimeter around Richard Chase's apartment building. I would have been like, I would have been like, Richard. You get out of here, Rick.

Hey. Come here. Well, because as far as they know, they think they're dealing with someone who's hyper violent. They'll start pop and bullets out the window. Nobody really knows. Every officer on that stakeout knew, like, who they were. were looking for they were just didn't know how violent this man was going to be uh and uh they were dealing with this is this is like again the vampire they had ignorant the nickname vampire had made

its way out to the public as well like that was just what he was known as um they basically wanted to also avoid a shootout hostage situation and ideally him killing himself they did not want him to kill himself because they wanted him they wanted to arrest the guy um luckily they didn't have to wait all that long once they after a few hours passed the uh the front door of apartment number two opened and out emerged richard chase uh and he was not acting like he was a man on the run apparently he was uh just kind of like leaving his apartment going to go carrying some cardboard box to take out to the corner he had no idea that cops were out there and uh they was just literally just watched him got their first look at him clear look at richard as a suspect yeah and uh they were like

yeah look at this guy grab this guy and look at the thumbnail of this video like look at the actual thumbnail this video just for a second if you're listening and look at him and be like yeah that's just walking out with cardboard boxes like it's a normal day and they're like yeah no I think that's him yeah definitely him apparently also as he was walking he fumbled the box at one point uh in a vis in his wallet almost p.

fell out of one of his pockets uh one of the detectives john p duddo had his eyes locked on it he was like watching this is where a lot of this testimony comes from. But he actually, they approached and they could even see that the wallet that was in his pocket had Daniel Meredith's name on it. Dude. He was walking around with Daniel Meredith's wallet on him. Like what are you doing, dude?

So with that scene, that was their probable cause, rather. And the order was given from the commanding officer of just take him in. So the officers drew their guns. and they swarmed him. Maybe surprising to them, but maybe not surprising to us, there wasn't any violent shootout. Like,

there was no last stand attempted by this guy. There never is with these types of guys. They're just always like, they're always like, well, all right, I guess that's it. See ya.

He literally just did nothing. He crumpled to the ground, offered no resistance. One of the officers described him as ragdolling. He looked like a rag doll when he went down. He just like flopped down and the cops showed up. Yeah. And he apparently just was disassociated for like just went dead silent.

And then at one point when they put the cuffs on him, he mumbled something to them quickly. And when the cops said to repeat yourself, all that he said was to the officers, why? He's going to say this is going to ruin the tour. And like a line straight out of a movie, the arresting officer slowly just snapped back for murder, you son of a bitch. Yay. He said for murder, you son of a bitch? Yeah, yeah. Now, imagine that was Mariska Hargatee who said that.

Oh, my God. Oh, shit. Oh, that's television, maybe. That's an SVU episode. That's TV, baby. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he had been caught.

And who knows if he thought he was being arrested by cops or Nazis in the UFOs had finally caught him or something. But the box he was being, he was carrying was taken away. And when the officers looked inside, they found it was filled with blood-soaked rags. and other paraphernalia from the rituals that he had just committed and he was likely bringing it out just throw it away.

Those are my blood-soaked rags for my rituals. Yeah, don't go through my blood-soaked ritual rags. Those are these. No. Those are mine. Oh, I was going to have Alistair cummy cakes after, dude. I was going to suck them so that my blood stopped turning to powder.

Yeah. So in a matter of seconds, this horrifying vampire sacrament meadow was just reduced to a tiny shriveling bitch of a man. Richard Chase, he was filthy. Apparently, they said like he smelled awful, covered and still covered in blood, like he did not bathe.

Did you see a horrifying, shriveling bitch of a man? Yeah. Incredible. Fuck yeah. Thank you. They had him. It was done.

In the back of the squad car, apparently officers were slightly confused because he kept asking if he could have a cigarette from the officers while he was being driven to the police, driven to jail. They went through his home, but they were still missing the body of the 22-month-old

David Ferreira. They didn't know where he was. The hope of finding the child alive was non-existent at this point, but they still had a need of recovering him to give the extended family, you know, a measure of closure. And so they prepared themselves and walked into his apartment

not knowing what the fuck to expect. And I can imagine, you know, we've talked about some horrifying like crime scenes of serial killers in the past and this one goes up there. The first thing that's, that hit them, they all say, was the smell. It was overpowering, as every

serial killer apartment seems to be, just smells like dead bodies. They said it was overpowering a couple of the officers are to step out and throw up because of that gag-inducing physical wave of nausea that just hits. I don't know why this part always bums me out so much, but it's like so gross

and sad picturing this happening. Right. You know, one of the officers also describe it as like a mix of spoiled milk and like human shit that like mixed together as they pushed inside flashlights as they deemed the beam the flashlight around they say uh basically this is what the centerpiece of the trial would come to um this was like for them that this was like a uh i imagine it like rich like domer right he turned his apartment into

like a ritualistic altar to trying to like his own weird shit his own weird experiments of like creating a perfect boy Nazi not see like not Nazi uh perfect boy slave sex slave this was like a A messier ritualistic place where he was trying to replenish his own blood via drinking the blood of things. What they walked into was like disgusting. They said it was covered top to bottom and just filth, dried blood. What little furniture was there was smeared and caked with dried blood, both animal and as they would also confirm via testing human blood. The walls were pockmarked with bullet holes, if you remember from last episode, because he was just shooting his gun all over the place. Scattered around the floor, they found a grim collection of pet collars,

trophies from dozens of animals that he had captured and killed and consumed. This place had been just a slaughterhouse before it was anything, even to human victims. In the kitchen, the scene became even more focused. On the counter, you saw blenders. Inside those blenders, they were caked with, as we talked about last week, brownish black residue of blood and tissue and a little bit of Coca-Cola. Why the refrigerator? Cola, man.

Spash a Coke in there. And in the refrigerator, this is when the police officer pulled open the door and saw the source of most of the overwhelming stench. This was, uh, instead here, they were looking at Tupperwares and bowls and various, all kinds of dishes, literally in the fridge that were just human body parts. They would later catalog at all, meticulously write the reports of everything that was found, which contained, brains, intestines, and other just various fucking organs that we have no need to go through all of them. They'd also found containers in various states of coagulation with the blood that he'd been stockpiling for a rainy day.

Like, he was really building a trophy, quote unquote, of leftovers in a bizarre, strange way. But they also found blood-soaked rubber boots, a 12-inch butter knife, both of which have been tied directly to some murders. And then they also found his calendar. which on it had the marked dates of Wallen and Mirov's murders with the simple chilling word today written on it on the 27th. And he had marked 44 more dates on the calendar that he would have planning to go out and find

people to stake out and then murder if he had not been caught in this night in this night. So like again, there's the serial killer aspect argument of it all. He was clearly planning on doing it over and over and over again. still the one thing they didn't find was the body of David Ferreira the apartment a slaughterhouse as it was but there was no missing child or the body of one and there was just a because of this lack of it sent like the investigation like really started honing in the trying to find the body of this 22 year old it almost felt like closure for them the way I would read about how like they really wanted to find this this the body of this boy um the search for the child's body would just continue to Continue. While the forensic team was meticulously cataloging the house on Y Avenue, detectives began the initial interrogation of Richard Chase. He was in their custody, still gross and ragdolly, but he was by all accounts cooperative. He waved his Miranda rights and literally just began to talk. And the detectives in the room got their first direct look into the abyss of this dude's psychosis. He readily admitted to everything. He never denied a damn thing. He admitted to killing Griffin, to killing Wallin, and to the Massacre and LaGloria Drive. He did not confess to murder, though. In his mind, these were murders.

He explained in a calm, rational, very matter-fact tone, but his actions were simply acts of survival. You literally said exactly what I thought he was going to say, like, you know, he was like, it's no different than killing a cow to eat your meal. Yeah, exactly correct. Alistair Cruelly, is that you? Is that you, after Crowley? He laid out his entire delusional framework for them.

He explained as if it were like the most obvious shit in the world that his blood was being poisoned, possibly by the soap dish poisons his mother had warmed him about, or by Nazis and UFOs, and that it was turning to powder, that his pulmonary artery had been stolen and his heart would stop beating if they'd only pay attention. And the only way that he could replenish his body and blood and stay alive, he explained calmly to them again, was to obtain a fresh supply. from another source. He told them that it started with rabbits, but it soon wasn't enough, that he had no choice but to escalate, that his victims were not people, they were resources,

that he told the stun detectives, that he wasn't a killer. He was the victim, and they were leaving their doors to invite him in to allow him to do this so that he could follow through. And his actions in her mind, in his mind, rather,

were a justifiable homicide if he were going to label it as anything. He displayed no remorse or empathy, no understanding of the gravity of what he'd done, the gravity is situation. He was him. He was just explaining his medical treatments. Like, that's just what it came off as. He did, however, express a single bizarre note of frustration. He did complain to the detectives that he had tried to take a victim's blood in a cup, but that it had clotted too fast.

And he had found the whole process very frustrating. That must have sucked for him, dude. Yeah, that's terrible. Damn, dude. now with his reign of terror over and he's finally arrested we will move into the trial against him which didn't last super long but it would be about a year after him being arrested that he would actually get into a trial um the legal case of the people v rich or trenchant case was set to be kind of a sensational one in california history the what was never in question chase had been

caught literally quite literally red-handed with a murder weapon and a victim's fucking wallet on him um he had already given crazy and he already given a full detailed and kind of just like bizarre confession to the cops the evidence from his apartment was overwhelming the trial was never going to be about did he do it it was more about was he sane when he did it and the prosecution was led by uh uh district attorney ronald w tuckterman and it made its position clear from day one that they were seeking the death penalty. They intended to prove that while Chase was undoubtedly, spectacularly mentally ill, he was under the strict legal definition in California, sane.

Their entire case would be built on the monotten rule, which was the legal standard, which was the law at the time, which was incredibly narrow, to be found legally insane. Basically, the defense of the time would have to prove that Chase, at the time of the murders, either one, did not understand the nature of his actions, or two, did not know that his actions were wrong. That's the monotin rule. Like, that's how you are allowed to be insane.

The prosecution's argument was that his actions proved he knew what he was doing was wrong. Why else, they argued, would he lie on the gun application form? Why would he flee the scene from LaGloria Drive Massacre? Why would he steal a car to make his getaway? Why would he be carrying a box of bloody rags when he was arrested if not to dispose- of the evidence. All of these, they claimed, were the actions of a man who was fully conscious of his own guilt and was trying to avoid legal consequences. And on the other side, the court appointed a public defender named Robert P. Weeks to represent Chase, a man who was now the most

hated person in the state. Weeks was facing an unwinnable battle, obviously, in the court of public opinion, but he had a mountain of evidence for his own case. He was not just arguing that Chase was mentally ill, he was arguing that Chase was a textbook, end-stage, paranoid, schizophrenic, a man so completely detached from reality that he lived in an entirely different universe and everyone else. His defense would be, quote, not guilty by reason of insanity. They would argue that Chase couldn't know his actions were morally wrong because his delusions had completely replaced his morality. He didn't kill for pleasure or for greed. He killed because he genuinely 100% believed he was a medical patient and that these people were his medicine.

He was a man dying of a non-existent disease and he had killed to save his own life. The state of his apartment, the blood kicked blenders, the Pyramid Lake incident, the Dracula nickname, its own bizarre matter-of-fact confession that it all painted a picture of a man who did not just fail the monotent test but had never been in the right reality to even take it. So this set the stage for the back and forth battle of the experts that would go on for some time. The trial of Richard Chase began on January 2nd, 1979, like I said, about a year later, after his arrest. And the intervening months had done nothing to dull the horror of his crimes. They had only allowed the public's fascination and disgust to curdle into a pure, focused a man for retribution on the sky.

Over the past year, this man was just hated and not rightfully so. The Sacramento courtroom became a media circus. This was the vampire killer trial, a case that seemed ripped from lurid pulp horror novels. And the public wanted to see the monster when he popped up. So when Chase was finally brought into the courtroom, the man they saw now was no longer the wild-eyed blood suit to ghoul, everybody had seen arrested. But he was just like a ghostly kind of just pale, thin man. He heavily medicated on antipsychotics. he was described by virtually every reporter as like zombie like that he just kind of

shuffled in and shuffled out of the courtroom because he was meditated he was thin pale and seemed completely disassociated from the proceedings often sitting and doodling on a legal pad just not really mentally there the rag doll as as he became known as nickname was at the center of a legal war was never again about what happened but what was going to happen to him was he going to get sent off to a mental institution or was he going to get put to death or get put away for life? So the questions that we asked earlier started coming up and then of course they started bringing up that and agreed that yes, Chase was a paranoid schizophrenic, but the defense argued that his psychosis didn't, or rather the offense argued that this is psychosis didn't

prevent him from understanding the law. They claimed he was capable of compartmentalizing and that his drug use, particularly his LSD use, had likely exacerbated. abated his condition to the point of toxic psychosis, which in many legal interpretations could negate an insanity defense. Sure. There's another angle that he was working and saying that he was still in their expert opinion, legally responsible for his actions. Still, the other side did their best, tried to demonstrate that the monotin rule was a blunt

archaic legal instrument. He argued that applying the concept of right and wrong to Richard Chase was like asking a blind man to describe the color blue. but you know I fall on the side of the prosecution where like he actively took actions often to hide his guilt or like the fact that he actually did something so the jury was basically trapped at this point they were basically just caught in like what are they is he insane or is he not insane and what was going to happen and on May 8th 1979 after deliberating for only five hours the jury returned its verdict they found that Richard Trenton Chase was legally

sane on all six counts of first degree murder murder they found him guilty god damn right the penalty phase was even mortar uh the penalty phase was even quicker the jury having already decided he was sane sentenced him to die in the gas chamber at san quentin state prison the guilt the guilty verdict and subsequent death sentence were for the public in the legal system the end of the story this is what they wanted this was the end that they had hoped for in the entire year of media nonsense that circulated this entire thing. Richard Chase was transferred from the Sacramento County Jail to the most notorious prison of the state, San Quentin, the home of California's death row.

But for Chase himself, the trial seemingly just was confusing because he, again, they medicated this man into the point where he just kind of wasn't aware of what's going on anymore. The antipsychotics just disassociated him from the reality of what was going on. And so he just quietly lived out the rest of his days on death row. And it was during this time on death row that it would make his most significant contribution to the criminal to criminal science. His case had been a lightning rod for the FBI's budding behavioral science unit again in the profilers who had so accurately described him while he was still at large. One of those profilers that we mentioned earlier, Robert Ressler, was conducting a wide-ranging

groundbreaking study, and he was traveling to prisons across the country to interview convicted serial killers, attempting to build a database of their minds, motivations, and methods that he could use. This was a study that would form the basis of the modern criminal profiling that would include men, like I said earlier, like Ed Kemper, Ted Bundy, Richard Chase, though, what is the moment, their next prize subject. And so we did a number of interviews with him. was these recorded sessions with Chase in his own words that laid his entire shattered psyche

bears how we know so much about how he was like mentally operating is on his doors unlocked door theory and in that way at the very least chase was useful to them in some way but he wouldn't I don't want to hand that to him though I want to hand that to the people that did the no not him no to the FBI directors for like actively like going about it for the police for reaching out to them when they knew they were maybe in over their head for a new branch of the FBI that was not even really all that well tested yet phenomenal work all the way around right um and and that's it like uh for what ended up happening how he died though was that for months he had started cheeking his medication pretending to swallow his pills while the guards watched and then hoarding them in a secret

stash uh he had accumulated a lethal dose and on christmas night he had finally decided to take it and that was it. The death of Richard Chase was a quiet and a climactic end to this chaotically violent story who would earn him the nickname of the Vampire of Sacramento. And while his execution was never carried out, carried out, carried out, he got his own exit quote unquote. It was still

in a very solitary place locked away from society after having being a useful tool to greater purposes for the FBI and crime fighting at large. And with his death and his story told, we bring this two-parter to a close.

boys and that circle of life that is a story of Richard Chase how are we feeling about that one like look I said maybe because we're doing spooky month we could do some sort of you know serial like go back to true crime do some sort of you know case I got you know you fuck you fuck a guy asked for the monkey paws finger went down and we got Coca-Cola animal organ slurry. Yeah. So, you know, there you go. I was deeply disturbed to the point that I became non-responsive almost at

parts because it was so upsetting. Well, yeah, what are you going to say? You know, there's nothing you can like, you just, it's just the reality of what happened. How about you, Jesse? How are you feeling after all that? Final thoughts on the audit. Once again, I think it shows that for all the big feet and or aliens and or portals to other dimensions, the scariest thing we talk about on the show is human beings

brutalizing other human beings. Yeah. Because it's real and it happened and you can't deny it and it's crazy. There is no like, well, maybe it could be fake. No, no, no. These guys did this and their reasonings are always weird and twisted and exists

kind of in a space that the average person will never truly understand because like it's not a space that's logical or sound or you know, like, it's just messed up no no if you are like interested in the psychological aspect of it like richard chase is one of those serial killers that has so many books written about him because of his

psychological state and in intrigue and like how his brain was working and stuff there's if you want more there's so much more you know you get you basically get the highlighted math that's punched up version of of the story but there's so much more he did and he is a fascinating case if that is your world of of interest or education so yeah there's some great authors out there, go check them out. I highly encourage you to do so. But we're going to go off and do a minisode for Patreon where there will be no violence. I have no violence for this minisode, but

we got some cool stuff to talk about. I'm very excited about it. Righteous. Righteous. Yeah. We're all right. Thank you so much. We'll see you next week. We appreciate you love you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night

enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom, so I stepped back inside and after a few moments, I hear my wife go, holy shit, get out here. so I quickly dashed back outside. She's looking up to the sky in the fall. I look up too, and there's a perfect line of dozen lights traveling across the sky.

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