Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 323: The Andreasson Affair

Episode Date: November 9, 2025

One of the most well documented abductions cases in modern history, the Andreasson Affair. All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro

Hello, everybody and welcome back to the Chaluminati podcast, episode 323, as always in one of your host, Mike Martin, joined by two of the best live show improv co-hosts. so you could possibly ask for Alex and Jesse. Oh, hush up you. Mathis had a good show, you guys. He's feeling good. I think it was just a great show overall. I really think it was one of our better, like, live shows that we've done. Great audience.

Great time. Yeah, good stuff. The audience is phenomenal. Yeah, everybody was great. We switched it up a little bit, I feel like, slightly. I feel like, everybody who came to see what they saw last time got a, got a little taste. But there was some surprises to be heading people to the live show, a lot of first timers. You know what?

This is the first time we had. as many returning people as we've had. It means we did something right. Yeah, that's good. It's very nice. Yeah, you're with, I always get worried if every time it's like, we're all brand new and it's like,

huh, all right. You know what? I'm fine with new people showing up because it is kind of like a ticket lotto system where there's only so many and they go so fast. Yeah. I'm fine with that. But yeah,

it's nice to see people who are like, I wanted more of this, which by the way, what are you doing? Why? What happened to you? Who hurt you that you're like, I want to go watch these guys live again?

I want to, I have a theory. I have a theory. Yeah. I have the theories that they've been listening to us for so long. Most of their brain is filled with the knowledge that we now have. So they don't have many people to relate to anymore. They're in love with us.

So they just, it's not even the love. It's not just they have nobody to relate to anymore. So go until it's like a new convention. We sort of like a cult separated them from everyone who knows better. Right. Yeah. No,

that checks out. I'm going to tell you something. If I had to fly from France every time I hung out with you guys, I would do it less. Oh, French guy? No, he lives there now. We had to call him out on that because we're like, you came from France. He's like, no,

I live here. We're like, what? So in the next year, he brought his passport and he really was from France. He just lives in Chicago. What? Okay, wait. But, but how much did you have to do with him living in Chicago now? I'm going to take full credit. Yeah. I don't know that's true, but I

will. That's great. Good. Also, like, my, my family was there. They want to live in Chicago now. Chicago is just like a great city fucking city Like it's so walkable It's just it was just nice I enjoyed the fuck out of it

If you live in one of the real giant cities Right that's like on the coasts Chicago is like just like that Except it's like cheap And it also has There's like a Midwestern kindness to it Sure

Because it's like New York is fast We're doing things Things are happening LA is like Basically New York is shut up, get out of my way. Love you. And L.A. is like, hey, man, take your time.

But I hate your dogs. The Vampos from Blade are real and they're out there and you better be careful. That's what it's like. And then Chicago was just a city that's like, we exist. We know we're here. There's money here for sure. But like, also, aren't you just sweet? Here's like a big ass sandwich.

Here's a parking spot. Here's, yeah. Dude, it was $20 to get a burger and a beer. That's like 2009. If you were in Chicago, where L. could you realistically go? Like, L.A. spans the entire state. There's so many different versions of L.A. New York is near New England. There's lots of places you can go, if not New York. New Jersey's right there, et cetera. But Chicago, after you like leave Chicago, what do you have? Like Milwaukee?

I mean, you can go north and there's a lot of suburbs north of Chicago that are very nice. But if you go south, you're in farmland. You go east and west, you're like in a lake and then farmland. You know, there's like not, it's kind of by itself. Chicago's not that far from like Indianapolis or which is not as big or or Milwaukee. I would not want to live in Indianapolis. Oh, damn.

All right. I mean, look. As someone who lived in Ohio who had to drive through to Indianapolis, that'd be like someone saying I want to go live in like Phoenix, Arizona. We've been to Indianapolis for. Why?

What's that con? Indie Popcon. Indie Popcon. Yeah. Fucking obviously. Just because they have one incredibly good steakhouse. That's most cities in the world. Oh, but no.

That steakhouse is so fucking good, dude. That's one of the best, that's one of the best steakhouses I've ever been in. I, St. Elmo's Steakhouse. It's great. It's almost worth living. I'm from Los Angeles. So it's like there's not as much culture as there is in Los Angeles, Indianapolis. But I almost would move there just for the prices and the horse radish on the shrimp cocktail.

Almost. Almost. Chicago is just, it's crazy because. You don't think there's another place out there if you're from New York or L.A. That's like kind of the same big as those places around. It's the third biggest city in the country. So like it's big and it's like easy mode prices. Like it's crazy.

We had a lot of experiences where we had that L.A. shock of like, that's it. We bought beer, beer. Three meals and multiple drinks and it was like 60 bucks. Yeah. Beer is like half price. Yeah. Straight up.

Beer is like half price and all food costs like 70%. of what it costs. Yeah. It's crazy. And shout out to the Polish place out in Schoenberg. Bacowka, dude. Shoutouts Bacowka, dude. Loud as fuck, but really fun.

Shout out to our waitress who was either 12 or 25. I'm not sure. Or 71. I have no idea. I don't think she liked any of us. She said we were nice. At the end, she came out and was like, thank y'all. Like, she was very sweet.

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Hey there. The reason I'm excited is one of the reasons I'm excited, because this is one of the topics I thought we covered and we had done, but we have not at all done. And this is one of those. You said you conflated it with another one? Yeah, because the name of the individual. in this one is the same name as one of the individuals

in the one we've done. Oh, shit. And also it took place five years after that one. Okay. So it was like right in that time frame. Uh, yeah. This is, uh, it's like Luke Wilson and Owen Wilson. Exactly. Exactly. Uh, this is what I would consider

a pillar of the alien abduction phenomenon when it comes to the kind of encounters. Like, it's a, what ends up being a multi-decade long, saga has become kind of like a touchstone for UFOology as to similar threads we still see today with abduction cases because this is a case that's incredibly dense. We have a ton of detail on it and it was so exhaustively documented.

It remains just a benchmark in the entire field 50 years later just with how much investigation was done on this case. And we have never fucking covered it. We are talking about the Andreson affair. And I don't even know if you two even know what that is. When you said we are talking about the N, I thought you were about to say Andromeda Strain. The Andromeda Strain by Garema del Toro and Michael Crichton. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I swear to God, I thought that like, I've never heard of this before my life. Okay. That doesn't surprise me. Alex, I feel like maybe would have heard about this, but maybe I just don't know what that word looks like written down. But I don't know that I've heard of this. All right. Well, we're not, this is not one of those, like the other ones we've done with Shend Randall Shemp Forest and stuff where it's like lights in the sky or, you know, the lonely farmer story of Area 51. This is more of like a documented investigation of a woman's abduction and the places she goes on a UFO with her alien friends. And it kind of begins.

No man's land. No, the places you'll go with no alien friends. This is the David Lynch part of the story. every time it's always like there was a dude chopping meat in the back i don't know what that's supposed to symbolize maybe that was my dad i don't know we're going to talk about we're going to refresh your memories on some of the stuff but this is absolutely a what would be considered a close encounter of the fourth kind this is your very psychedelic kind of experience that's like over the shirt yes get this man out of here boo this man is that i don't know i don't know the reference i

I don't know the fucking reference. God damn it's okay. It's all right. Just going for that home run. It wasn't quite a home run, guys. That's all right. Only got to second or third base. Right.

The story allegedly begins with a family home that gets plunged into darkness with a pulsating glow that envelops their backyard and involves a three foot humanoid, three foot humanoid creatures who, according to the investigators, find walls, no obstacle to free passage, quote, unquote. Is that mean they can walk through walls? The aliens could walk through walls, which is... An obnoxious way of writing that fact down. Just, I'm just saying.

Oh, that yes. Oh, abs a fucking little. I'm a creature who believes that walls are mere illusions. No obstacle to free passage for them. Yeah. And what was later described as, quote, erased from her conscious mind, but later recalled under hypnotic regression, which obviously we'll put forward. Oh, yeah, stuff is so rough, dude. I know.

And it was a story of being taken. taken aboard their craft and subjected to physical examination. What makes this case kind of the cornerstone is, like I said earlier, the staggering level of detail. And the main source that we're using today is a book called the Andreessen Affair, written by Raymond E. Fowler. And the author of that book was a member of the original investigative team. And he was described by his peers as a, quote, cautious and careful UFO investigator, whose work should be given, quote, unquote, high credibility. which I admit, mean, is meaningless, but we're going to get to why I think there's actually something here. Because while this isn't, this isn't like a tabloid story, this is, I still,

this is still a book written for entertainment, right? Like, there's still going to be a narrative flare to the book as it's a pulpy. It's a pulpy affair is what you're saying. Yes, it's a, it's a pretty pulpy affair. Um, but this is still a book that's based on a 12 month investigation that produced a 528 page confidential report. Is that you're going to, are you referencing Pulp Fiction there? I just, it's so interesting to me that when Alex says, it's a pulpy affair, it sounds natural. You're going, it's a pulpy affair sounds insane.

And I don't know why. And it made me laugh so hard. I have a very stilted delivery, unfortunately, a lot of the time. But the book that was written was based on the 528 page. confidential report that was done over the course of 12 months. How many pages did you just say? 528 pages. That's not a police report?

No, but it's, we're going to get into the details of it here. I'm just, that's a lot of work to, for if that's not like bureaucratic paperwork. That is a lot of pages. Yeah. Well, the team that investigated, investigated it conducted, quote, stress analysis tests, psychiatric examinations, character checks, like background checks, extensive lie detector testing, which we now know today isn't really super reliable. And their conclusion was that the witnesses, the main story, the main character of the

story, and this is where the names get confused. Her name is Betty Andresen. And we did Betty and Barney Hill, which I thought was the same story. This is on that level of like influential UFO case. Yes. And you'll see why. This is one of the first documented, I would consider fourth kind encounters. like where it's really psychedelic in nature.

And if you've ever done psychedelics, I never heard of this. Yeah, I don't, this is entirely new in a way that I'm like, okay. Yeah, let's do it then. I'm excited. Yeah,

it was the witnesses were Betty Andresen and her daughter. And they were both, they both came to the conclusion that they were telling the truth. The investigation found not, quote, not the slightest evidence of hoax or contrivance. Again, this guy writes like he's up his own ass. What? He's writing like,

the guy that I made up from last week. Like, he's writing like it's like 1904. I know. It's annoying a shit. It's 19. The book got written in this early 70s. The actual event took place in 1967. So we're past like five years after.

The Rolling Stones are out. Like, there's no excuse for this. This is five years after Betty and Barney Hill right out, right around then. But here's where my, I think, willingness to. maybe except that this is real comes in because this was such a compelling case that it got the attention of and the book's introduction was written by the most important and respected UFO researcher at the time on the planet and still arguably to this day one uh and none other than dr j allen hynick holy shit yeah the guy who said it the guy who wrote project blue book for the government

who came out and said, he went in as a non-believer and walked out as a believer. Yeah, the guy who created the scale of close encounters of first, second, and third kind. And the director of the center of UFO studies at this time. Now, for those who do need a quick refresher, Jay Allen Heineck is arguably the godfather of the scientific aspect of UFOology. The man was a nuts and bolts. He'd looked like kind of guy. He'd be looking for physical evidence of things happening, dense in the grass, burn marks, that kind of stuff. He is the man who created the entire framework for how we talk about the stuff to this day.

He was an academic astronomer. He was not a quote unquote believer in the fact that the Air Force hired him as their chief astronomical consultant for Project Blue Book. And his job, plain and simple, was to be the, quote, adult in the room. The skeptic who could debunk all these sightings that the Air Force was getting from their own pilots and outside. And his job, as he talked about, was to either pass him along as weather. balloons, planets, swamp gas. The swamp gas explanation literally comes from Dr. J. Alan He

He was the one that introduced that theory when the Project Blue Book kind of got let let out. But after two decades of seeing what he considered too many credible reports that the government told him to come up with an excuse for anyway, he flipped his belief. He became one of the more prominent voices arguing that the UFO phenomenon was real and deserved serious academic study. He's the one who created the classification system. We still use the close encounter scale. You have a close encounter of the first kind, which is just the sighting of a UFO seen within 500 feet. The close encounter of a second kind is a sighting that leaves physical traces, landmarks on the grass, radiation, burn marks. So your car gets like stalled, electrical phenomena,

that kind of thing. Then then you have a close encounter of the third kind, which is then being seeing being able to see the occupants of whatever this vehicle is the often humanoid occupants that's when there's a craft and someone sees a gray through like a window or what have you but the movie yeah well fucking he Stephen Spielberg worked with j. Alan heinick to create the movie the close encounters of the third kind movie like directly heinick was consulting for the script on the movie set he was involved the project blue book and all that shit was involved in that movie. So, yes, exactly like the movie.

And his, Spielberg's next movie is about the Nimitz encounter that's like he's making. Its next movie is another UFO, another UFO movie. Interesting. I think his next movie's Gremlin's three. Just kidding.

He didn't direct Gremlin, did he? I don't. Someone save us from him. He's out of control. He's out of control. Yeah, there's a lot of movies. Sounds like a curtain does. But the Andrews,

Dresen Affair is a textbook example of what Ufologists would later have to add to the scale, which is the close encounter of the fourth kind, abduction scenarios. This is the one Heinek and other what we consider nuts and bolts researchers were most uncomfortable with. Because abduction scenarios, even the ones reported to him back then, were always subjective. They were messy and it was always very, very weird. And in his introduction to the Andresen Affair book, Heinrich himself admits this case goes way beyond anything simple. He says it involves, quote, abduction, mental telepathy, mystical symbolism, and physical contact. He called it a case of very high strangeness and said it leads down many paths that make Alice's wanderings in Wonderland pale by comparison.

his words and that's you know and he's true this is where like that site if you have an understanding of psychedelic experiences this is kind of a good episode to have that understanding of um fair enough like fair enough sure but also like this is also going to be an episode where it's just going to be easiest if we just go in assuming this happened to get through the story understanding that the source is a woman who did eventually go through hypnotic regression or talk about what some of the stuff was. Heinek, the scientist, put his reputation on the line for this story in a lot of ways. And Jesse, I just want you to read you a quick quote from the passage in his own words here.

So you know kind of just what he was thinking at the time. This is Heinek. Those who still hold the entire subject of UFOs is nonsense will be sorely challenged if they have the courage to take an honest look at the present book. That rhymed. It's great. It would take an imagination of the highest order to explain the reported happenings described herein as mere misidentification of balloons, aircraft, meteors, or planets, exclamation. Neither is there the slightest evidence of hoax or contrivance. And that's a huge endorsement. The top guy, you know, scientist is on the record saying he cannot find a quote unquote, terrestrial explanation for what happened to this family because it was it did happen to the family and that something is why we're covering this whole thing in the first place the indrecent affair

is a benchmark of high strangeness abductions it's a story that came out of betty's hypnosis is not clean it's sci-fi narrative about aliens from zeta reticuli coming to warn us about nuclear weapons it's a deeply deeply psychedelic symbolic and reality bending experience and it involves bizarre imagery floating in bubbles journeys through different colored worlds encounters with a giant bird reeds in flame and a cryptic quasi-religious tests a bird reithed in flame

yeah we'll get just hang tight we'll get there to Kojima the Hunger Games the Kojima director yeah yeah Kojima came up with this uh the entire sprawling saga which which would go on to span five books and decades of research we're only talking about the first book

which is based on that, you know, that research of the investigation, all began on one single mundane winter night in South Ashburn, Massachusetts, and that, it would happen around 1967. The power in the house was about to go out and someone was about to come through the door. So we have this massive game-changing endorsement from Heineck. We have, now we want to look into just a little bit about the author Raymond E. Fowler and talk about who he was in this. so you have an understanding of who's writing this book.

Because he's also a huge critical figure in this. He was basically at the time, the head of the Massachusetts chapter of Mufon, the Mutual UFO Network for those who don't remember. And he was known as a meticulous, sober, nuts to bolts investigator. And he was an Air Force veteran, a systems analyst, and a man who liked data, details, and corroboration. He was kind of just the serious dude and skeptical investigator you'd want looking at a case like this. He would go on to write several books on this case alone. The Andresen Affair is the first, which is the narrative account based on the investigation, like I said earlier.

But I do want to get this out of the way, which is a very cheluminati point. We are using his book and reading this book as a source, but it is a book. We are reading a story that has been structured. He's edited it and presented it in an author narrative form. And he is, to his credit, a good storyteller. He builds tension. He creates cliffhangers at the end of chapters. He's arranging the chaos of a 12-month investigation into a clean, readable narrative.

And I think I respect him because it's similar to how I do things like on this show often. But there is a level of showmanship at play in his book. We're not reading the raw, dry 500 pages. case file so like there is obviously questionable things within the book itself and to take it all as pure fact would also be foolish but if it sounds interesting i'm obviously going to be leaving a lot of out a lot out and it's always worth getting like a read and you can get it on like an audiobook for like a buck or two if you have kindle like you can get it for a few bucks if you want the paperback's like 20 bucks um but i just want i just want you to keep that in mind when because i'm not going to repeat it

anymore. I'm going to go in as if this is happening so we can just go through the story and, you know, and try not to keep doubling down on. Maybe it did. Maybe it didn't happen. That said, the Casey's building is what makes this a landmark. It helped codify what we now call the close encounter of the fourth kind, which is officially part of the scale. And as we said, Heinex original scale of one, two, and three was all about external events. You see, UFO, you see a physical trace or find one. You see a being over there. there. It's something you observe. A CE4 is something else entirely. It's when the phenomenon stops being over there and starts becoming internal. It happens to you. You are taken. And because

of this, the entire nature of the evidence changes. The evidence isn't a landing pod or a blurry photograph. The evidence is the person. It's their testimony, their trauma, the missing time, the strange lingering psychological and physical after effects that did linger. And this is why nuts and bolts youophologists of the 60s and 70s were very uncomfortable with the abduction phenomenon arguably still are to this day. It is messy. It is subjective and it is profoundly fucking weird every time. You can't point a tool at it and measure anything about this thing. The Andreessen Affair is the poster child for this. And that personal subjective nature of the event is clear from the very beginning. On the night of January 25th,

1967, after the event, Betty and her family didn't just shake it off or go to bed. We're going to get into the event in a minute. The next clear memory they have, missing time, was just being in the living room. The power that had just went off was back on. The house was quiet, but she, her children and her parents were all in a strange, disoriented state. She said it was like coming out of a daze. She had a vague, disturbing, what she called splinter in her mind, as she would later

or call it also in hypnotic regression and she could interesting imagery and yet and she could almost remember something beings or something happening she almost remembered feeling like she had been taken somewhere but her conscious mind maybe in a form of self-protection had slammed the door shut on that memory and trauma physically your brain often does that it's a way of survival for your brain of something that would completely break you is it was so traumatic in your past, you often black your brain, your memory just blacks it out. And sometimes it can be anything that can trigger that memory coming back. But at this moment, after just blinking and something was wrong, all she was left with was a profound sense of unease and a gap with a period of

missing time where something impossible had occurred. And for years after this, she tried to just rationalize it. She was a devout Christian. She tried to frame it as a religious or angelic experience maybe. But the fragments that she could remember when they did trickle back, the beings she remembered had large wraparound eyes and a cold clinical nature to them. It felt anything but religious when she had memories of it. For her, it was kind of scary and a very unresolved violation of her own psyche. And this splinter in her mind, as she called it, festered in her mind for eight years. She tried to live a normal life, but the event just kept haunting her.

Then in 1975, the cultural landscape had shifted. Dr. J. Allen Heineck and his new role as the world's preeminent scientific UFOologists had founded the Center for UFO Studies, Kufos. So we have Mufon and Kufos. The center was actively soliciting reports, placing ads in magazines and newspapers, is asking for people who had experienced close encounters to come forward. Betty saw one of these ads. For her, it was almost like I would consider kind of like a permission slip from somebody

who's credible and scientific source maybe trusted. It was the first time she realized she maybe isn't insane and that this thing that she could kind of remember that had happened to her might be part of a larger recognized phenomenon. So she sat she sat down and penned a letter on August 20th, 1975. But she didn't just write dear Dr. Heineck, I saw a UFO. She produced a sprawling 50-page document that she wrote to Heinek. A novella. It was apparently chaotic, very stream of consciousness kind of collection of her fragmented memories. It was filled with her own hand-drawn sketches of the beings, diagrams of the craft and pages of bizarre automatic writing style poetry about her

experience for those who don't know what automatic writing is it's the idea of like a Ouija board kind of thing but you're just holding a pen and you're something is supposed to be it's kind of like the nosis it's kind of like the nosis thing right where it's like you're channeling almost you're getting your your mind your mind is writing but your brain is not writing it's like you're letting your bra you're channeling pure zippity duda Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And make no, I like it again, thanks to psychedelic experiences, I know what that, like I do like understand what that is. And it was for her in effect, her subconscious just screaming to be heard, like almost kind of like just a straw straight raw data dump of the trauma that she had been suppressing for nearly a decade.

Because I imagine as she's sitting there writing this stuff, as she writes one thing, that might trigger like another memory of another thing. There's something about having a memory. but then saying it out loud or writing it down that often pushes your mind to remember other things that are connected to it. That's why it's always so weird, specifically. Yeah. Yeah, where you're like, I talk about something and like talking about it out loud. I'm like, oh, my God.

And then I'm just like, yeah, exactly. So I do wonder if this is like 50 pages of that. Now, most local UFO groups would have like probably looked at the 50 page, uh, kind of automatic poetry filled letter from a religious housewife and failed. and failed and maybe threw it away because they were not looking for abduction stuff a lot of the time. But the letter was so detailed,

so sincere in its confusion, and so fucking strange that folks at Kufos flagged it as something to look further into. As they looked into it, they believed that they didn't think the person who was writing it was a hoaxer. This was someone who seemed to genuinely traumatized

and just looking for answers. So they forwarded the letter to their best man in Massachusetts. It's the head of the local Mufon chapter, Raymond Fowler. Fowler received the letter and was himself about to dismiss it. Alex, I'm going to have you read a quote from Fowler on his initial reaction to the letter here when he got this thing in his mail here. At first glance, the letter seemed to be the product of a religious nut.

However, a second reading showed that the letter contained most of the elements of a classical close encounter of the third kind. the witness was either telling the truth, was a superb liar, or was a victim of a very complex hallucination. I decided to investigate. There is no CE4 at this time yet. And that's what he did. Fowler and his team, which again included, his team ended up including a physicist, an electronics engineer, and a solar physicist. The four of them began a formal 12-month investigation into Betty and Dresen. This would be a skeptical, in-depth investigation.

They conducted detailed background checks on the whole fucking family. They had the whole family do psychological workups. They very quickly hit a wall, though, because Betty's conscious memory was not cooperating. She could only remember up to the point of a red light in the beings entering her home. And then after that, it was a blur of fragments and chaos. they again her mind seemingly just was locking a lot of this away so for them at this time the only way to get the full story was to bypass the conscious mind and so the team brought in a specialist a dr harold p n edelstein who was a respected local hypnotherapist uh to conduct a series of hypnotic

regression sessions how do you suppose you get respect as a hypnotherapist locally don't think you named peen was that the man's name dr harold P. N. Edelstein. Harold P. N. Adelstein? Dr. P. Nadelstein? Hello? Dr. Penelstein, the hypnot therapist? The famed hypnotherapist?

Dr. P. Nettlstein? That's like air hypnosis is like fucking enemy. Dr. P. Nettlstein. That's the guy he got who's like, he's like, he's like, uh, that dude that you rescue middle gear solid. He doesn't want to be there, but he's like under duress. Dr. P. Nettlstein.

Is my machine ready? And you're like, he's like, no, no, it's not ready. I'm trying my best. He's like, I don't, I don't, you know, he's like, you know, you get, you get, you get. Yeah, yeah, you understand. You'll play, they can go from there. You get the Trump. But it's from these hypnotic regression sessions where the entire bizarre narrative of the book comes from. It's from these 12, they did 12, uh, sorry, 13.

They did 13 exhaustive, emotionally traumatic sessions where Betty under hypnosis relived the night of January 25th, 1967 moment. by moment and at the end of this over 12 month investigation uh after they had the full insane story on tape fowler's team did one last thing they put betty and her husband wino in front of uh or go her father whoa whoa time out you can't back up dude's name is whino w a i n o that's that's almost as bad as the defuncland guy being called kevin perjurer that's rough yeah yeah he's like hello i make documentaries my name is mr lyre hello yeah it's her father why no sorry betty and her father because her husband wasn't there because he was in at the hospital for a couple of nights yeah because he

got into a small car accident i think it was drunk driving yeah no he wasn't drinking himself to death all right well okay well fine um so they put betty and her father wino in front of a psychological stress evaluator p s e which is a type of lie detector test and they were asked questions like, are you attempting to perpetrate a hoax about seeing a UFO and it's... Are you drunk right now? Yeah. Or did you see small alien beings pass right through your closed kitchen door? Were you taking aboard a spacecraft and given an examination by alien beings?

If a cops started asking this, I'd be like, what? What are you talking about? Uh, Jesse, and I've read you, this is just out of the book, uh, what the analyst's conclusion was after the, uh, test. It is extremely unusual. that we would render an opinion as definitive as we would in this particular instance. In the opinion of this analyst, the results are conclusive. They were telling the truth with regards to the 1967 incident.

So whether you take lie detector texts into, like, account nowadays, we know they are extremely, like, not great. They're rather, don't always, I don't even, do we even know, like, are they considered, like, useless now? I don't think he will not hold up in court. Yeah. They don't hold up in court. Okay. So it's probably, you know, just for like, you can take it. Yeah, I think so cops still give them and stuff to help themselves investigate.

Random dudes on TikTok will give it to other random dudes to see if they're cheating on their girl and then make a video about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's, it's legally binding. Yeah, no, it's not admissible in court. Okay. So, uh, the last thing like I want to cover to really grasp why people do find this case from that foundational is because.

of the person at the center of it. One of the biggest strengths of the Andresen affair, the reason it wasn't just thrown in the crank pile is Betty Andresen herself. If she were to like, if you were to like custom build the perfect abduction witness as like who you'd want as a credible

person, like, and not like some crazy person in the middle of the woods who, you know, why was it them? Someone that you could maybe see as like having no motive, or not one that I could find, at least Betty would be the person I think you would build.

We're like, 1967, South Ash, Ashburnham, Massachusetts. It's a place I've never been to, even though I lived in Mass for a good long time. What this place is, though, is a small rural working class town in New England. This is like a quiet, it was a quiet, conservative, salt of the earth kind of place. And in this town is where the Andreson family lived in an old farmhouse that they bought as a handyman special. And at the center is Betty Andreessen. At the time of the event, she is 30 years old. Keep that in mind when I'm about to tell you how many kids she has.

She is not a college-educated intellectual sci-fi author or a person with any interest in the paranormal or UFOology. She is a housewife and a mother. She is the mother of seven children. And she is 30 years old. I am almost 40. What year? Hold on. What year was she?

1967. Sure, sure. But if she's 30 and at least, at least. at least seven years ago she started having kids at minimum right so the oldest in their family was 11 years old so she was having kids what 19 19 was her first kid so if you go back 10 that's 57 like I get that that was still during the time period where it was like you could lose some kids you got to have a lot of kids 67 is a time where you could still lose kids 57 is if we go back 10 oh yeah you're right 57 56 would be your first kid uh that was still like post you

That's baby boomers. Yeah, you're right. You got to have kids because we need to repopulate. Like that's a different vibe. Yeah. Man, that's fair. Her kids were Becky, James Jr.,

Mark, Scott, Todd, Bonnie, and Cindy. And they ranged from 11 years all the way down to three years old. And her daily life was basically a nonstop, chaotic and exhausting loop of cooking, cleaning, laundry, managing a household of nine fucking people. This, you know, like, there was not. a lot of leisure time for her as a housewife with seven fucking kids that are the oldest being 11 out of 7 she stresses me out thinking about it i have three younger nieces and a nephew and after a day i'm tired uh her life at this point is purely hands-on 1960s domestic reality and the only other

pillar of her existence the one that defines her worldview at this time is her faith uh this is i think the single most important thing to understand about betty for this story is that she is a devout born again Christian. Her faith was intense. Go to church, not just like a go to church on just Christmas kind of thing. She was a fundamentalist and literal lens was how she viewed her entire world through the Bible. The Bible was her truth.

Her reality was structured by God, Jesus, angels, and demons. And this is critical because when something impossible happens to her, we watch as there's not really a sci-fi framework to put it in, but then the only thing she really has to reference our angelic and demonic, and the way this thing seems to warp to that belief is fascinating. So now that brings us finally to the actual event, January 25th, 1967 on a cold, normal winter evening, but the house is already under a great deal of stress. Betty's husband, James Andreessen, is not home. He had been in a head-on car collision two days before Christmas. And he was severely injured and had been in intensive care at the hospital for

weeks. So on this night, Betty is effectively just a single mother of seven trying to hold her life together. And because of this, she has help. Her parents, Wino Aho and Eva Ajo, are visiting the house to lend a hand. Fucking a Wino, dude. I can't I love the name. I really love the name.

So this is the full cast of characters at the house at this time. Betty, her seven kids, her father, and her mother. Eleven people in a small farmhouse. And as far as she describes it, it's just a scene of like domestic routine. It's about 6.30 p.m. Betty is in the kitchen, finishing up chores.

In the adjacent living room, the younger kids are dressed for bed and are watching Bozo the clown on TV. The Bozo! The fucking Bozo the Clown. They certainly were. Did Gen Z know and below and Gen Alpha know who Bozo the Clown is? Absolutely no way in hell. It's funny to think that kid shows just had like an audience, like like Johnny Carson.

Like, yeah. That's really funny. Like, I know that there's still shows that have kids in the audience, but it's not the same vibe as it used to be where it was like bleachers with kids like i don't know there's something real funny about they were still figuring it out because it's like a time where kids got to be kids for the first time ever really something super funny if you don't know who bozo the clown is literally crusty the crown clown minus the attitude no bozo dubbed over you remember that that was the thing yeah but like it's that vibe whenever you see barb show up to see crusty yeah looked the exact same

except it was like in black and white and then in color and then it became a little weird. A little bit, like too much color, actually. Yeah, a little creepy. And then, um, super into him. So I don't know like did not into it. He also ended in the 80s, I think. I think before that, I think he had to end before that. But long time he lasted the bozo clown. Yeah. Scary, scary, scary. I knew he is. I've seen like, you know, clips over the years. I don't like clowns. This one's

particularly scary. First appearance was 1946 in music and 1949 on TV. He had an animated series in the late 50s and 60s. He was all over the place. Hilariously, David Arquette owns the rights to Bozo the clown. Dude, good for you, David. He should be doing something with that.

You should have a podcast. Bozo was on TV in the 60s. When did Bozo end? When was the last? The last Bozo. Terminator Teenage Mutinyinia Ninja Turtles, the last Bozo. okay he ended in 84 but it was in syndication until 94 jesus that's a long that's why i like he's yeah he was around for the 90s and i was the 94 i mean so i was like

eight or nine when he finally went off the air completely yeah yeah that's crazy crazy well back to the aliens uh the kids are the younger kids just for bed are watching bozo the clown on tv and her mother eva is sitting with three year old cindy on her lap her father her father Wino is in there with them. And this is the baseline. This is, again, just like a domestic night. And it is the last normal moment the Andreessen family will ever have for the rest of their lives. Because at that moment, as Betty is standing in the kitchen, the electric lights begin to flicker and then shortly blink out completely. With the house full of kids, and now the house flickering to a dark, it threw the entire house into a confusion. The kids were terrified and

start scurrying into the kitchen to find their mom, but almost at the same time as Betty would recall under hypnosis, a new light suddenly appears. And Jesse, this is a, you know, Midwestern woman, 30 year old woman. And I want you to read her own description in, this is from her and hypnosis, her own description of what's going on. What happens in this moment. Can I just stressed everyone that what he means by that is Jesse do a voice is what I'm here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not hearing like, that was in a set that was like, do a goof. All right. No, yeah, you've done, because I think you did Betty Hill in that same Mr.

Midwestern tone. He just conflates them together, you know? It's been really, I don't, yeah, you haven't come to me for skill. Just, no, truly bad voices. It's just good casting. Just plain old good casting. There was a, by the window, the small kitchen window. I can see like a light, sort of pink.

right now and now the light is getting broader it's reddish orange and it's pulsating i curveball you didn't know what i was doing no i didn't know it's on the last time you're going to be her so hang so this weird pulsating reddish orange light is now flooding into the kitchen the house is still dead silent and betty described it as if the whole house had a vacuum over it like stillness all around, which is very common for not necessarily always abduction scenarios, but close encounters when UFOs get close. Everybody says this weird kind of vacuum of silence, like the bugs stop making noise, the birds go silent, just comes deadly silent.

And she tries to calm her kids down, telling them to, quote, be quiet, whatever it will go away. And one of the more interesting things to note about Betty is like, she is oddly calm about this the entire time. Like, the kids are freaking out. Everybody's freaking out. And other people and other stories, like even Betty and Barney Hill, freak out. But Betty and Dresen, through the whole thing, is bizarrely just like viving out with whatever the fuck is happening.

So she's telling the kids to calm down. And as Betty is hurting her scared kids back to the living room, her father, Wino, hurries into the kitchen to see what's going on because he obviously sees the light. He goes to the pantry window, which looks out into the backyard, and he stares out in completely. disbelief. What he saw is best described in his own signed witness statement, which Alex, I'm going to have you read. This is his own words, like I said, his own witness statement words that he wrote. These creatures that I saw through the window of Betty's house were just like the Halloween freaks. I thought they had put on a funny kind of headdress imitating a moon man. It was funny the way they jumped out one after the other, just like

grasshoppers. So he sees beings coming out of this light that is in the backyard. Wino sees these five beings in total hopping across his backyard, likely he said like grasshoppers, just one after the other. And he said that when they saw, yeah, it's a weird description. It doesn't make any sense. Grasshoppers. He said that when they saw him looking at them, they stopped. And then quoting him again, quote, the one in front looked at me. and I felt kind of queer. That's all I knew. And he said that's the last thing.

Then that's the last thing he consciously remembers of this whole thing. The feeling quote unquote queer as the lead creature stared back at him and seemed to notice him because at that moment, they were no longer outside. Now, what is the core of the aliens? The aliens were no longer outside. Oh, all right. I was like, huh? Under hypnosis, Betty described this moment as to what happened next because they kind of come

through solid objects. She's under hypnosis during this whole thing. You can walk straight through walls, as if walls have no, of no import to these ethereal beings. The K-Man, like, follow the leader. They're starting to come through the door now, right through the wood, one right after the other. It's amazing coming through.

I stood back a little. Was it real? And they're coming one after another. Now they're all inside. Yeah, they phased through, I guess, just the wooden door. They were just like right through. After they won an after flipped into existence essentially in her kitchen, Betty was just standing there in total shock, immediately tried to rationalize what she was seeing.

So in her devout Christian mind, which really had no grasp for what an alien was, she went to one place and she said this under hypnosis, Jesse, sorry, I just decided you were going to be heard the whole time. You became her, dude. I'm thinking they must be angels because Jesus was able to walk through doors and walls and walk on water must be angels. And scriptures keep coming into my mind where it says, entertain the stranger for it may be angels unaware, which by the way, this is a real.

last Christian. Just heads up. Take that last bit there. That's a real as Christianity. Proverbs. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So are you about to tell me she's like, screw it. Welcome to my home is because that's awesome, by the way. That is exactly what she does. Would you like some pie, Mr. Alien? Dude, we're going to get there. Uh,

where she does make them food. Um, under hypnosis, though, both Betty and her 11 year old daughter, Becky gave incredibly detailed consistent descriptions of these beings. Separately. Yes, separately. Four of them were small, about three to four feet tall, but the fifth one, the leader, was taller, maybe around five feet. Now, we just went over this in the live show, boys, but there are the taller, white-ish,

but still alien gray-esque-looking beings that are sometimes seen with the more stereotypical grays. She describes them as having gray skins, large, outsized pear, shape heads, they had no visible hair, no nose, but for two small holes and no visible ears. Their mouths were just, quote, fixed scar-like slits that didn't move, and they wore shiny, dark blue form-fitting uniforms with high boots and gloves. On the left sleeve of each uniform was an emblem, she said, that looked like a bird with outstretched wings.

But the defining features, the ones that terrified the family, were their hands and their eyes. their hands were three digited and gloved and betty's daughter becky described them as clay hands with three thick fingers and no nails i'm thinking gta five or like gta three vibes on that if you're describing it like that if you know what i mean you know they have those like fleshy lego hands in that game yeah yeah yeah yeah that's not a bad visual uh Alex i mean jesse rather this is betty's uh no Alex, this is Becky's description. You're an 11-year-old girl. Oh.

They look like marbles. It had big eyes. The only thing I could see really good was the big eyes like marbles. They look scary. Right. The big eyes. No, I get it. That was a kid from Silent Hill.

That was the one with the inspiration was there. Betty's description was even more specific. Again, she's one that said large wraparound cat-like eyes. She said they were huge slanted and had no peasanted. pupils. And these five things are standing in the room. And Betty looks around at her family and this is when she realizes the kind of horror of the situation because her father, Wino, who had been yelling, was now standing in the pantry and what she describes as suspended animation out of her sight. Her mother, Eva, and all seven of her children were also frozen looking. Betty described it like this, Jesse. It's just one little sentence. She described it like that. They followed me into the living room, and I looked and I saw all my family as if time had stopped for them. And I wondered, what happened?

Her 11-year-old daughter, Becky, would later recall the same moment. She said, quote, I'm not afraid of him because there's a feeling that he's not going to hurt me. He scares me just by the way he looks, but I can't do anything, can't move. And Betty is the only one they left unfrozen for some reason. So she's alone now, kind of. of like in a way awake and standing in her living room surrounded by a frozen family in these five beings and the leader the taller one then steps toward her and this is the first

contact it's not like a message but it's weird it's a telepathic communication and betty describes it like the i'll just it's just super short she describes it like this quote it seemed like an oral sound but it uh i think it was a transformation of thought the leader the leader called me betty And in this moment of kind of weird terror, Betty still clinging to her angels theory, misinterprets the entire situation. The leader who she said identified himself by with the name Quasgaa. This is the leader of the alien's name. And I'm going to show you I'd spelled. That is a Star Wars name from 2003.

Yes. He stretched out his hand. And Betty, in her state of shock, misconceived. a mental impression and she asked, do you want something to eat? And the beings just nodded. So Betty, I'm actually quite peckish. Yes. Thank you. And the most kind of surreal moment of domesticity I ever went to the kitchen, got some food from her refrigerator, and she said, quote, I started to cook them some meat. So yes, Jesse, she just said kind of welcome to the home. I love her. Let me cook you a meal.

she's standing at her stove cooking for these aliens while her family is just in stasis in the other room and again this is where I'm like every other being every other abduction scenario usually they're fighting she's just like again and I think it's because it's this weird religious thing she sees it as in her mind it can be none other than divine interaction and what is she going to do is she going to turn away from God? And it reminds me of how Chris Bloodsoe, which we'll talk about his story one day, is similar,

where he is the most boring man in the world and didn't seem to react in fear to the aliens, and he has a very religious view on them as well. But more Christ's consciousness rather than, like, you know, like more traditional religious views. It's very, very weird. Anyway, the being stared at her when she was cooking,

and then she got another telepathic head voice message. and this is what she said to them, Jesse, in his head. This is a simple sentence, but this is what she said about the, they said to her about the food she was cooking. We cannot eat food unless it is burned. So, Betty, so many does. She started to burn the meat.

And the aliens in a very un-angelic-like moment stepped back, astonished over the smoke that was coming up. Apparently, smoke started coming up and they're like, whoa, and all stepped away from like, why are they the fucking aliens from Toy Story dude

whoa I don't know do they have mouths are they like yes they said like little slits for mouth no lips just like a slit

but they don't they never talk it's all imagine it's a planet yeah taking them to diner and being like

just well done and then the chef in the back is like ruining it just fucking ruining it once the she the smoke happened and they they she started burning it

this is the message she got from the aliens And Jesse? That's not, I guess you got to read in their voice, but that's not our kind of food. Our food is tried by fire. Knowledge tried by fire. Do you have any food like that? I would have been, if this was today, I would have been like you, me, flaming hot funnions,

let's go, y'all. Try, by fire. Yeah, she's just Tabasco's it up. Uh, I'm like, have you ever had spicy buffalo wings? My friend, let's go. Have you ever had ass kick in chili? Her religious mind hearing knowledge tried by fire. This, of course, clicked with Betty's religious mind.

And she replies, uh, yes, I think I have some of that. It's in there. So she walks into the living room. Do not tell me she gave them like wafers and grape juice. No, knowledge tried by fire. What do you think she's going to get? So she goes in the living room. walked by her stasis family and picks up the Bible from the end table.

She turns and passes the Bible to their leader, Quasgaa. So they don't eat food. They eat knowledge, but he wants that good knowledge is what you're saying. He burns a book and sucks it up. Yeah. Like, so in return, she hands Quasgaa the Bible and he passes her a, quote, thin little blue book in exchange. And what Quasga does next to.

the Bible is one of the strangest details. He holds it in his three-fingered hand, waves his other hand over it, and, quote, other Bibles appeared thicker than the original. What? Wait. Is this like some kind of common? Yes, he created thicker copies. What is this?

What does that mean? What do you mean? It's like a commentary on religion or? I don't. He just, he had the Bible and with his three fingers, they're like, okay. But he made. And then a bunch of other Bibles were made. were bigger. Each one was thicker than the Bible

he was that she handed him. I don't am I supposed to believe is inside the Bible. What's the extra content? I don't know. Is it just did he recreate it? But he made the letters bigger. So we needed more pages. Like for older aliens. He was like you know, like he was adding calories

to it. Yeah. You added butter to the Bible. Well, I don't know why. I don't know what was in it because apparently what happened next was he took the duplicates and passed them around to the other grays that were there. four other grays. And they ate them. And no, they flipped it and they opened it and flipped it page by page. And apparently each page was pure luminous white. Like a like a white white.

Yeah. All right. Well, while they were that exactly. And while they were doing this, Betty starts to look in the little blue book that she had been given. And at this exact moment, her daughter Becky suddenly regained consciousness. Like she came out of stasis. She had blacked out in her state. And the next thing she knew, she was a wait. again, but paralyzed watching her mother. Quote, this is a quote from Becky, Alex, the young girl. I woke up and they were in the room. Mom was talking to them and there was a book already in his hand.

And Becky, now awake, but Frozen, is now kind of a quiet witness to what's happening. This is how she sees what happens in the living room and what happens here because she's in stasis but regained consciousness for some reason. And as Betty is standing there, holding the strange blue book, She asks the being straight up, are you God? And they replied, would you follow us? And so she panics in that moment a little bit about her kids. And her response was, what about my children, my parents?

And this is what she said in hypnosis about that, Jesse. Can you read that quote? They promised me they wouldn't hurt them that they would be all right. They said, see, they're just resting there. they said they're all right would you follow us real talk if this if this was real and happened to me and an alien said would you follow us in a heartbeat i ditch everything i'd be like let's go bros let's go i will sell out everyone it's time for i'd be like let's go follow us you're like benny from the mummy dude oh my god are you kidding me i have everything around my

neck when you guys try to stop me i'd be like bossy I would never, I would never try to stop you. I would be cheering for you. I'd be so exciting for you. Look who's on the wrong side of the freeway. I don't get that reference. So Betty in her own words after that, she said a small prayer saying, Oh, Lord, show me what I'm supposed to do.

But the beings just repeated, we will not harm you. Would you follow us? And Betty, feeling she had no other choice, replied, all right. And so Quasgaa tells her to stand. All right. Yes. Quasga tells her to stand directly in back of me and she gets in line and immediately feels a bizarre swooping sensation like suction, she describes.

She was in their line following the leader and as she went out the door, she went with him, passing right through the same things, the wood, the doors that they were. she was phasing through the solid walls of her own home while she left okay she then is not they don't even understand the concept of the door like what's the point if they are if they're like do you want to open it no screw it just go in like okay if we're to take them as an extra if they're operation operating on an extra dimensional way or a level of consciousness way physical matter is probably meaningless like it's something they don't even necessarily all right shit about um but

But the other thing she said is, like, she actually wasn't walking. She was floating several inches above the ground while she was being phased through. She said her whole body felt strange and weightless, very funny. And when she got outside, she was stunned. The neighborhood, she said, was gone. This is what I'm saying. Like, she leaves the walls of her home and she's not already not in what she knows as her own reality. She said she couldn't see any other houses and there was a, quote, haze, all haze, like a mist.

was all around. So you weren't necessarily wrong about the Silent Hill child, Alex. Later weather records for that night did in fact indicate there was heavy mist in the area when looking that up. And in her backyard,

she saw the ship that they had arrived on. It was a, quote, oval object with a raised central portion. And it was resting on legs or struts. She couldn't quite tell which, which were adjusted to the incline of the hill behind her house. She was awestruck and terrified simultaneously, and Quasga seemed to sense this.

And to reassure her, he did something kind of bizarre. And so, Jesse, this is what Betty says in her hypnosis is what Quasgaad did to calm her down. Mm-hmm. He says, see, you can trust me. Look over at the ship. And he made the bottom like glass. I can see through it. And for whatever reason, that was enough to calm her down.

Like, that was like, he's like, that's why the shit out of me. That would fucking fuck me up. I can't do that on a fucking glass bottom boat. I can't do that on the fucking Sears Tower. That scared the shit. My legs didn't work when I went up there. The bottom of the craft just turned transparent. And on the inside, she describes what she saw as glass balls on the bottom, cut glass like that thing on the side.

with that gray matter and water, whatever that means. We don't, I don't know what she means by that. Quasga then turned the ship back so that it was not glass, but like a silver, solid gold again.

And he faced the craft and raised his left hand and instantaneously an opening then appeared at the bottom of the craft. They lined up again, and Betty swoops right up there. There's three stairs. And as soon as he goes up,

She's swooped up as the others are following. When she says swooped, she means floating. She entered a small, quote, half bubble or quarter of a bubble room, and the door closed automatically behind them. And again, she felt strange, weightless, and what she considered an icky feeling. Jesse, another quote. You're going to do a lot of reading today, Jesse. Great.

My hands and my legs feel like they're asleep or something. Oh, my feet are pins and needles. Oh, something. Even my arms and my hands. Or something. Or something. While she's standing there feeling like her limbs are asleep, Quasga is talking to the other beings.

Then about two or three of them are leaving the room. The door whooshed open and then they go inside. And then it's closed again. Quasga explained they were going to, quote, make himself ready and that the other two would quote, please bring me to the upper room. The remaining two beings, one in front, one and back, led her to another, what she called a whoosh door that opened. It just sounds like Star Trek to me, just a whew of the door sliding open.

And inside were stairs, but not normal stairs. She said, they seem like they are floating up. My waist feels so heavy there. We are going up those stairs. And at the top, another door disappears down, and they were no longer in the entry bubble. They were now inside the main craft. and she was immediately brought to what she called the examination room. They're let up the floating stairs and a door disappears down into the floor like it sinks into the floor

and Betty finds herself along with her two silent escorts entering a large, circular, brightly lit room. This is the examination room and the light is weird in here, she says. It's not coming from a bulb or a fixture. Betty said it comes from all over the place. The walls are dome shaped, rounded and perfectly smooth. no welded seams, and in the room she sees in, quote, elongated desk or table that immediately reminded her of an operating table and she got nervous. At this point, Quasgat enters the room, but he's in a different suit and with some other

beings. The beings in this room are wearing shiny white silver clothes. Their skin even seemed whiter than the grays she had met in her home, though Betty figured that was just because the intense shadowless light that was being beamed in, maybe a looked, made them look a little paler than they were. They tell her to get on the table and Betty, a little terrified, protest saying, no, I won't go up there, but she really didn't have a choice. Jesse, this is what she described how getting on the table was for her.

No, it seemed like I floated up there somehow. I was just swept off my feet and laid there. So she said, no, there was no choice. They just levitated her up onto the bed and laid her flat on the cold block. Now, she's not strapped down, but as she later recall, she was still feeling like she was being held down somehow. She said they somehow had her hands and legs pushed down. But again, she wasn't fully paralyzed, just being held down by a force.

Quasga then comes over to her and says, we are just going to measure you for light. He takes an instrument that she describes as like a fan and with tulips at the end and waves it over her body. After a moment, he delivers a verdict. He tells her, quote, You have not understood the word that you have. You've misunderstood some places.

There are spots there from it. You are not completely filled with the light. Betty doesn't know what that means, but she thinks it might be questioning her faith. So she says, I believe I'm filled with the light. I believe I believe that I'm filled with the light. And Quasga simply replies, but we have to because there are some spots there. We will have to measure you physically. And this is where like a more traditional abduction.

scenario kind of happens as she's reliving this under hypnosis this is what it was jesse all you yes sir i feel shaky he's taking an instrument and uh uh wow heavy panted breathing why did you have to put that up my nose no oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh he's putting the thing in my nose and it's going up and it's breaking through something. I don't like it. Oh, I can't move. It's hurting. Thank you very much.

Great job. It was what he was sticking up his nose was a long silver bendable needle and they stuck one up of her nose and end up like up into her head apparently. Pendable needle. Yeah, that's just how she described it. She said it was a penetrating pushing feeling in her left nostril. And just as the pain becomes. Unbearable, Quasga eased Betty's pain by placing his hand on her forehead and on the top of her head and her body simply relaxed, which is a very common description of people who are anxious, like if they're getting abducted and they like usually like touch their forehead and said, don't worry, and they chill.

They then pull the needle out and she says it feels funny when they do and she sees some kind of ball on the end of it, like a little thing on the end of the needle. And later in the debriefing, she confirms that this little ball. familiar to me right right like a little thing that's like popped out of the nose as a ball at the end um she confirms that uh later in the debriefing she confirmed this quote little ball with little prickly things on it it was not there when they put the needle in they had removed something it sounded like from her head or whatever it was yeah very weird but like that was already in harvassing it went up without it it penetrated something grabbed it and pulled it out whatever the ball was. Interesting. But they also weren't done. The Being start, quote, talking about something over there,

and then they come back to, like they leave and then come back. And they tell her, quote, they have to measure me for procreation. And then, Ben, he kind of screams, I don't want any more tests. Get this thing out of me.

They ignore her, though. And they take that needle again with a tube, like on the end. And, quote, this is what happens next. But yeah, they have to measure her for procreation. And he's opening up that, that shirt, and he's going to put that in my navel. Oh, I don't like this.

I can feel them moving that thing around in my stomach, feeling things with that needle. Oh, oh, boy. Um, do the aliens not know how pregnancy works? I don't know. Like, I, I, or when she's saying descriptors of stomach, she means lower torso. I'm assuming, well, they went in through her navel. Like they shoved the thing through her navel. Yeah, I get it.

So I assume she's referring to like lower torso. Yeah, that'd be my guess. It's always, yeah. There just seems like a much easier way to get in there. And as they're doing this apparently, they're talking to each other and she senses they're confused. They're saying, quote, something about something missing, missing parts or something. And the investigators and Betty later conclude that this was because she had a history. Erectomy two years prior to this abduction after the birth of her last child.

Oh. So, like, they think that may have been, they were referencing, like, she couldn't have kids anymore. And these all-knowing beings were just apparently surprised to find the parts missing. This is, in my mind, this is hinting at she's been abducted by them before and just doesn't remember. Like, this is something they've checked and done before. Again, the pain she said is intense.

And again, Quasgaal lays his hand on her. her head to calm her and seems almost sympathetic to him. She recalled him saying to her, I am very sorry. It just needed to be done. And one last test, Betty sees, quote, something up in the center of the ceiling coming down. It's like a big eye of some kind, like a lens, and it's moving down all the way down by my stomach. And they're bringing it real close. She gets panicked, but this one she says doesn't hurt. The eye lens just scans her and then retracts, which reminds me of that movie that I saw as a child with that boy with the

alien but the big eye is like an eyeball but he's like going on a starship ride with him. It's in from the Hades. Flight of the Navigator. Thank you. Flight of the Navigator. That's like what my mind thinks of. Seven and a half tours. Yeah, that did you have you. Have you seen Flight of the Navigator Jesse? I have. I have. I just didn't know what you were referring to and I was waiting for the big reveal of like some movie called like Blimblow. No, right, right. You know, the movie that no one saw, but for some reason you did.

I love Blumblum. This ended the end of the physical exam. Quasga waves his hand over her arms and legs and the paralyzed pins and needle feeling starts to go away. And then in her words, quote, involuntarily, her body snapped to a sitting position and began to flow above the table. She exclaimed, nobody's touching me and, quote, they are beside me, but seems like I'm being carried. She has floated off the table, brought to a standing position, and placed back in line between her two escorts. they glide her out of the examination room and the door flashes open and closed behind them quote and quote and she has floated out of the examination room uh the door uh then as they moved down

they glide through and back into a previous room the one with the strange uh like half quarter dome walls but she notices when she comes through again maybe she's paying more attention or whatever but she sees leaf motifs and the pyramid shaped what she calls dressing room like art but that's like That's like Leafs. Yeah, yeah. That's how it came off to me, too. She then is brought to the area back to that little pyramid on its side, quote, and quote. And her escort's gesture for her to go inside and get dressed.

That's why she calls it the changing room. She, the room is what she says it's kind of dim. She steps up into it. And there are her clothes lying on the floor right where they told they would be. There's a white seamless garment that she had been wearing just when she did the examination and now they're having her change out of it and her modesty is apparent even kind of the hypnosis transcript because she recalled quote I wondered if they've got something looking in here like she's wondering if they're spying on her getting naked and dressed she's like

curious I fucking would be too if they were doing all this shit dude yeah I guess that's fair she said quote around me she was wondering if they were looking in there around me while I took off the rest of my under things that I slipped into her own clothes dress she bangs on the side of the walls and yells, I'm ready. And the door then whooshes open. The two beings are just waiting there and they seemed a little concerned and one, quote, kept looking back, checking to see if she was getting in line where she was supposed to. She falls into her now familiar position between the two of them and they start gliding

along through the ship again. It seems like she's not moving around on her own free will, obviously. She's kind of in this weird, levitating, like, escort. And they come to another seamless wall where a door appears and opens and they enter, quote, like an underground corridor, all hollow, into another opening where it is light. And it's like a track we're going on. This is like a, she could describe it as a black track. She described it as being narrow, maybe only nine inches wide and looking like plastic.

She's not walking on it. She's skimming just above it. And during this, she feels an immense pressure in her head. She says, quote, my head feels so heavy. It feels so heavy. It can hardly hold it up. And they glide along this narrow black track through the hollow corridor and emerge into that new, brightly lit and very strange room. She described it as being, quote, like a half cylinder or a quonset hut.

And down each side of the room are four, quote, four glass-like chairs, clear, maybe plastic, which gives me men black-esque weird feelings. Yes, like peer one imports level five. Yes, it really does. her two escorts glide her over to one of these chairs and telepathically tell her, would you please be seated? She's terrified and she asks what they're going to do to her. And they just repeat, please be seated. We will not harm you.

So fucking sits down. It's still assuming this is angelic or something. And she said immediately a transparent, something transparent came down down and to make sure came down around her. Something transparent came down around her and sealed her inside where she sat. I miswrote a word. I'm like, what am I trying to say there? Yeah, so she sat down. She got sealed into the seat and something started falling around her. And the effect, she said was horrifying. Here's what she said she felt like, Jessie, when she got immediately sealed in. I hope I can breathe in here. I feel I'm going to be knocked out from it. It feels like they

are putting something cold in there. Oh, it feels like it is getting colder. It feels cold. It's like it feels like moisture is even being drawn from me. And it's cold. The moisture is coming right out of me. The cold makes her dry up. She's trapped in this encasing chair,

freezing cold, feeling the moisture being sat from her body, and the investigators in the book speculate that this maybe was some kind of cryogenic freezing process, but Betty just knew it was not, she was uncomfortable and was scaring her. And she's in this cold chair for what, quote, seemed like a long time. Finally, the enclosure opens up. The beings come for her again, but they don't let her just get up. She's once again floated out of this thing. She describes it as, quote, I'm sort of in a sitting position, but I'm lifting up, and they're directing me over to the other side where there's chairs similar to this. After they float her in a sitting position across the room to a different chair and then sit her down. She's sitting on nothing, but she's floating in a sitting position.

Yeah, it's like a sitting position and they're just like hovering her in like a whole person from D&D terms. You know what I mean? This one is different though. This is what is she calls the, quote, immersion chair. The beings tell her she is to quote, you are to be immersed. in liquid she became oh all right yeah she immediately became hysterical and she said I'll drown in that and they simply said no you will how else will we find out you are a witch madam she said they replied to them no you will not drown we've provided something for you

it is a magic air water that you will not die in she uh we have we have provided something for you it is a tube it is a tube it is a tube and then actually it is three tubes it is a snorkel you dumb ass have you ever heard of it a translucent canopy and shrouded her and uh she quote self sealing tubes were connected to her mouth and nose so she had three tubes one that went to her mouth and sealed in one for each nostril and sealed up to her like nose uh she could feel air coming through them, quote, just as if I was living under water. And then as she sealed in, she sees, quote, some gray liquid pour down on my head and into that place.

I picture her talking like, what are you doing? The enclosure slowly fills up, but it does fill up completely. And as it does, the terror immediately vanishes from her. And Jesse, this is what she said. it felt like oh it's soothing it's relaxing oh feels good strangely that's exactly what it says it feels so good it's like a whirlpool vibrating around I don't you that's what it says that's I'm not making, this is it, Jesse's interpretation. This is what it just says.

No, the hos are like somewhat distressed owes, you know, like, oh, oh, oh, it's, no, you're not saying that, oh, I'm distressed. And then everything you say is it feels good, it feels soothing, it feels relaxing. He's right, he's right. That's fair. Yeah, you're right. You know, you're right. This woman is in it. Yeah.

Well, she's floating in this warm, vibrating gray liquid. And as she's in the state of. Total relaxation, they call to her again. This is all psychic in her mind. And they tell her they are, quote, going to give me something to drink and for me to swallow it when it does. When they're, when she's underwater? Remember, she's got a tube in her mouth.

Oh, so it's coming down the tube. And suddenly a thick syrup begins to seep its way into her mouth through the tube. I would pass away if this occurred. I want you to know that like I'm a brave guy. underwater with a tube in my mouth under liquid that's not water with the tube of my mouth with syrup coming in my fucking mouth I would be thrashing under

that water I would be I would die Jesse this is her how she felt about it oh boy god damn it it tastes good oh this feels good oh so relax and it tastes

it tastes good it was sweet and thick sort of like a cough syrup which I love to just I drink it all I just love to chug down

dram after dram I must stress I've been on the internet long enough to know this is like the plot of a hentai yeah this is starting to get this is getting weird this could

this could turn real fucking quick this is but this is like a weird like fucking alien gooey Zanax like it makes her calm down an alien gooey Xanax Oh, my God. All right. You know?

Yeah. All right. I've bounced back. We're back. Okay. But in the book, the investigators speculate that this may have been the moment that she's being put into what they theorize may have been a high G acceleration chamber of some kind. Because what's happening as she's in this, they're taking her on a little tour of the stars.

She is just, she's being, like they said, will you come with us? She said, yes. She's being taken around. While she's chugging this. shit. Yeah. And suppose they think that the liquid was to protect her body from the stresses of interstellar travel because she was about to go for a fucking ride. Because as she's floating in this tank, she still sees her two escorts and they're different. They're wearing, quote, something dark over their faces, both of them, like a black hood. They had put on some kind

of protective gear which she and her tank apparently didn't need. And this is why they speculate. Is something going on on the ship? Is the ship moving where they need protection? protective gear too and she's like a human because she's human she's not built same physiology glass eyeballs or some shit maybe um so the way they like the way yeah I don't know why it just doesn't work for her so it's she gets this floating to get the flow in this warm soothing vibrating gray goo with a delicious thick goo being piped down her throat that makes her feel good don't like it don't like it so nasty uh now of eventually though she feels the vibration stop

and the liquid starts to drain and as the fluid receives from the tank yeah the gray loo remember she's i mean there's a lot of liquids here and one was entered into her body and you should have been specific sorry the one that's being filled and like she's being fed that stops she stops being fed doesn't get sucked out but she stops being fed it and then the goo she's floating in in this like tank slowly like received understood gotcha i thought they were trying to remove the goo they put in her from her body i was like i don't how what no we're good okay As the fluid recedes, she says that, quote, the heaviness is coming back. My hands and my arms and my legs and my feet feel heavy again.

As it opens up, the beings still wearing their black hoods are there. And they remove the breathing tubes and the one in her noses in her mouth. And Betty is soaking wet. Her clothes are clinging to her. And she asked them if she can't change. But they just tell her to follow. They're like, follow. Follow.

And then she is put in a floating position and pulled along with a. two beings. They glide back out of the half cylinder room and back onto the black track. And this time they go into the opposite direction. She's floating between these two figures. That's how she just calls them hooded headless figures at this point. That's how she describes them when she's in hypnosis talking about this point. We don't really know why headless made its way into it. The tunnel they enter is completely dark and their hoods maybe blend them in with a tunnel that could have made it look if she had no head. And this tunnel isn't a clean metallic tube either.

She said it was, quote, chipped like a charcoal tunnel. As they glide along, their glowing suits illuminate. A darker hole opening in the other end of the tunnels is branching off into the darkness. So she's saying as she's going down off this little branching paths that leave to darker holes that they're ignoring. They're continuing down this track. All this time, she said her head feels heavy and she's at this point just assuming she is just a passenger to whatever the fuck is happening. The track begins to slant upward and ahead she sees. She's a, quote, shiny mirror-like barrier.

She braces for impact because they're going right up to it, except they just, like they did the walls of her home, go right through it. Quote, we are going through it, through that mirror. And in an instant, she's plunged into a brand new world. The atmosphere in the sky is a, quote, vibrating red color, vibrated throughout the entire air. Everything is bathed in this oppressive red shimmer, apparently. The being suits now, quote, looked red.

The black track stretched on ahead, though. They're like on this track that's going through this world and passing between, quote, square buildings with openings, which she said looked like, quote, stucco or cement. There's no vegetable or vegetation life, just land and buildings. And then she sees them. She gasped in horror at creatures, quote, crawling on the buildings. And they were everywhere. Jesse, this is her describing what she sees in this moment.

Yeah, I would love to know. And how many time does she say, oh, in this? Oh, God, dude, countless. I can't tell you. I don't know. Oh, yeah. No, I'm excited. I'm just saying all through the episode.

And this one, she just says it like once. Oh, my God. All right. And these things are got two eyeballs and they're loads of them. Oh, they're scary. And they've skinny arms and legs and kind of full body. And their eyes can move ever which way. And they can climb just like monkeys.

They're all over the place. And that's what these things are climbing all over these buildings, these square buildings in this endless vibrating red atmospheric world. Like, to me, they come off as almost lemur-like or monkey-like. But her description gets a little. weirder. She says that they, the creatures themselves were headless. Like the eyeballs were like on their eye stalks, tips of eye stocks that came out of their full bodies. They came out of their torso. Yes, like in the tip of their torsos. Great. Two large eyes located on the tips of stocks that

emanated from the top of their bodies and the stocks moved independently of each other. And so this is what she's gliding past in this city, I guess, of headless stock-eyed monkey creatures who are climbing all over the buildings bugging their eyes out at her they're watching as they're going along but they're not citizens they're just like creatures climbing over buildings but maybe they're i don't know how this what this world is dude this is where i remember at the beginning i'm like if you have a psychedelic experience it's helpful like i don't really know what the fuck this is maybe it's a dead world where like wildlife is like completely taken over maybe that's how these people these things live i have no idea. But she even cries out and says, who are these? Who are these things? And her

hooded escorts just glide on saying nothing. They're just leading her through a red vibrating hell world of headless, stalked animals. And they're gliding on this black track that just seems to go through the sky of this place, which is fucking bizarre. And so as she continues on and on ahead, Betty sees what she described as a circular membrane or a whirling circle that also had mirror-like qualities. She once again braces for impact, but just like before, they just simply pass right through it. And in an instant again, the entire environment changes. Now she's no longer in a weird, vibrating red, dark world. Now she's emerged into a new place, and this one is green.

She described it as a, quote, beautiful green and blue-colored atmosphere, so vast that the sky overhead was just, quote, an endless, tor, an endlessness of that green. The light source wasn't a sun. The, quote, green atmosphere was the sky. And as soon as they enter this new green world, her two hooded escorts reach up and take off their black hoods. Something about the red world they needed their black hoods on. For this one, they don't.

this is just disc four of a jrpg at this point she discovered they're all orphans and they've lived in the same house together forever i didn't remember because magic mixed right she didn't remember yeah it's weird the track is now suspended one of the aliens gets killed by an alien who falls from the sky that's actually alien i mean yeah this time it is uh the track is now suspended way up in the quote and quote, with no good as anything. It was just in the air. And she's gliding high above a new bizarre and beautiful fucking, like another alien

world. And below her, she sees a sea, but it's not as choppy as it was before, like a clear calm sea. It's very dark, but it was green, all quote. And in the water, she sees creatures. Go ahead, Jesse, another description of what she's seeing in these waters. And off to the side, I see, I don't know if they're fish or What? It looks like a combination fish and bird. It seems like it's bait all and foggy. And yet it's light so I can see it.

Yeah, I don't know what that means bait all. I don't know the fuck she meant there. She's seeing fish, bird creatures flying around in the misty green world. The vegetalian, the vegetarian, Jesus Christ, the vegetation is just as alien. She sees what she says, quote, strange plants. long stems that come out in loops in different colors. And as they're gliding along, they have to stop to, quote, to let something go by. And she couldn't explain it. She says, quote, we were stopping because there's something white there. Something white. I don't know what it is.

It's like something like, I can't explain it. The stop, she said, was perfectly smooth. It wasn't like a momentum shift. It's just like they came to a gentle stop. The track seems to be a transport system at this point. she starts thinking about. And as they pass, other, she says, they pass, quote, other elevated tracks crisscross the area. She sees bridges or walkways connecting different areas.

Off in the distance on the horizon, she even sees a city. She said it was, quote, definitely a city, but it was so different. Here, Jesse, you can read this, a little quote. Oops. She's very descriptive, as you can tell. they were but they were so they looked like you know a lot like science fiction big cities with all these different bridges all around that's it that's the description just all these bridges you know y'all there's these bridges yeah it's like I guess he's talking about like a futuristic greenlit city in the distance with domes I don't

fucking know but as they're gliding gliding high in the sky they pass over a pyramid of course but it's a quote different kind of pyramid right not a simple four-sided geese a pyramid she described as having quote one big flat side and the others indent sort of what it had a quote what yeah exactly what edge going down the sides at the very top there was a head she said it quote looks sort of like an Egyptian head but also feminine yet male it was a combination of the two uh I don't know maybe what she's talking about there? Like, she's just flying over this bizarre, star-shaped pyramid with a giant androgynous Egyptian-style head over the top of it.

The track keeps going, taking her away from the pyramid, further away from the city, and she's still just gliding between her two silent gray escorts, and up ahead she sees where they're finally taking her. She sees a, quote, bright light source. It's, quote, glinting off beautiful crystalline structures like giant prisms. Giant bridges. Oh, giant bridges.

The track is heading dirt. I love that show. Whatever happened to that show? Whatever happened to Nash Bridges? How many seasons did Nash Bridges get? Oh, not enough. Yeah,

not a lot. Yeah. This track is now heading directly for a wall of, quote, clear crystals that have rainbows all in it. She's a little afraid. She starts with again starting to, I think starts to realize like, this shit's weird,

something's happening to her. She starts saying, I want to go back again. Just like, imagine that kind of like panic reaction keeps resurfacing so they want to go back. I want to go back, but they just keep moving and they keep moving through the crystals. And as they pass through the crystal field, she sees what's behind all of it, the source of the light. This is what she sees, Jesse. I'm seeing something like a large bird, huge, huge bird, massive, so thick

and vainy that bird was. He's just, I called him a massive peck. is what I called him. Ew. Anyway, back to the actual what's written here. It's standing with its wings and the light in back of it. Like a holy light behind it almost.

It's too big to be real, she says. It looked as if it were alive. The track is taking her directly toward this giant living bird-like creature, which is standing in front of a light so dazzling.

She says it's all she can, barely make out the bird with how powerful the light is. She's standing on the black track, which is now stopped, and now the bird is just before her. It had, she says, a, quote, white head and brown features, and it's just standing there, quote, holding back the light somehow. The light behind it is, quote, real white light, and it's sending out rays bigger and bigger. Then she says it begins to get hot, and the heat becomes unbearable. She begins panting under hypnosis.

She says, oh, it's just standing there. And I see gold, gold specks flying around, like little tiny gold specks. Oh, it's hot. And the heat becomes so strong, it makes her feel weak. She begins to cry out and writhe in the hypnosis chair, reliving the agony. I'll let you do that out, Jesse. Oh, thank you. No problem.

This has been pretty smooth sailing for me so far. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Jesus. I'm hot Help me Oh Heavy breathing

Get rid of Happy breathing I mean Alex I'm going to have to let you to the next one Oh Oh I'm so hot This is what it says

Y'all I'm not No but this is word This is word for word How it was Take me out of it Take me out of it Oh it feels like my hands

are just vibrating so much. And my feet are just vibrate. Girl, okay. There's a lot going on, dude. She had a lot of organ energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Being released in this moment. Too bad there wasn't like that organ harvesting box we could throw on top of her.

So yeah, the heat is just like making her vibrate for some reason. And she said it felt like something was piercing her every cell in her body. And it was the worst thing I've ever experienced. And just as suddenly as it began, it stops. Her body relaxes. She says, quote, oh, I'm beginning to cool off a little. Oh, oh, my hands, my hands hurt. She opens her eyes more and the dazzling light is now dimmed.

The huge bird, however, is gone. In its place is, quote, a fire in front of me. A little fire or something burning. A little tiny, baby, a fire. A little fire. A little fire, yeah. This is a Louisiana fire or something? A little fire.

I have a little top bubble fall. A little bobble fat fire. She watches as this fire is burning down and there are like, quote, the fire's burned down. There are like coals there. It's just glowing right now. She feels cold now. She begins to shiver.

And she watches the cold die down to a reddish color. Quote, it's getting gray. Gray mixed with red with it. Soon it's a pile of ashes. And then one of the weirder details of this entire journey, you know, I'm, you know, I'll let it. It's just one, one sentence, but Alex, your turn to be her. You got it. You're betting now. This is what she sees when she sees the spook up. She looks down in the pile of ash. And it's what she sees in the pile of ash.

Now, looks like a worm. A big fat worm. It just looks like a big, fat, gray wharf. Just lying there. great job you know what in the fuck happened to this one that's what I'm saying I'm telling you I'm telling you it's so fucking weird

it's so fucking trippy it's so trippy oh man mid episode chill go check out the molecule mindset at YouTube.com slash at the molecule mindset that's my second journey a trippy journey but no that's what this whole thing is just like

fucking strange from it's like Phoenix coded a little bit with a pile of ash or the burn is consumed by a hot fire, but now a worm is like, yes, definitely. And I think, like in the Bible, I'm pretty sure Phoenix imagery is used early in the Bible anyway, if I remember correctly.

It's been a long time. I mean, I probably. Like, there's a, yeah, I don't know that anybody's going to say, yeah, there was like Greek myths, like influencing the Bible or whatever, but, you know, maybe or Chinese myths or whatever the Phoenix is. Looking at this gray worm, the investigators in the room were very confused by what this was. They apparently, according to the author, they kind of pass skeptical looks past back and back and forth at each other. And mind you, I'm cutting out a lot of detail because there's a lot going on in this fucking story.

This is also the second worm she's seen. She saw a giant worm in the red zone, if I remember correctly. This one's just fat. But this one's just coming out of the ashes of this. but again like we just said Gold. Oh yeah from Stargate. Yeah, dude. Stargate. I've never seen that. Yeah, I haven't seen Stargate.

It's like a yerk. It's basically a year. Cool. Thank you. But kind of like, it's more like a yerk, but like do I remember that they're like kind of octopussy? No, I think in Starget S-2-1, it's established that they're literal worms that go in through the belly button. I think that's what it is. Yeah. I hate that.

I just remember they have like mandibles or something. I don't. remember yeah it's been too long you guys um but uh so yeah like maybe it's time to rewatch stargate SG1 maybe that's what i'm gonna take away from this uh so yeah like we just said though this is like classic symbol of the phoenix imagery um even just described like quote uh just the description of its phoenix is quite simply quote out of the ashes a worm emerged from which the new phoenix grew and as betty is staring at this worm in the ashes she hears a voice but it's not Quas Gau's voice in her head.

This is a new voice, and she says it's, quote, booming as if many voices blended into one. And it's coming from off to the rat, but she can't see anything. The booming voice, though, calls her by name and says, but you have seen and you have heard. Do you understand? And Betty was terrified and simply said, no, I don't understand what this is all about. Why am I even here? The voice, of course, says what most people would expect in a story like this. I have chosen you.

Oh, boy. Betty just says, but what have you chosen me? I have chosen you to show the world. And now Betty, who's a devout Christian, standing in front of what she can only process as a divine being asked the questions she asked the grays. Are you God? The voice gives her a reply to kind of a little bit. Vague, it pushes it off and says, quote, I shall show you as your time goes by. So it's not really like a yes or no.

It's very much alike. Just hang on, wait and see. He's like, I'll explain later. But for Betty, that was kind of good enough to, who kind of calmed her a little bit in this, in the situation. She presses, but she though presses the voice a bit saying, Alex, I'll have you read this. Are you, my Lord Jesus? I would recognize my Lord Jesus. Oh, it says, I love you.

God is love and I love you. And so she continues to ask and the voice replies. Does it give you a straight answer for that? And then she once again pushes, then why have you brought me here? And it says again, you've chosen you. But then she asks why. And then she says, that which you have faith in,

that which you trust. And that was a sentence. it's not really defined it's not really a definitive sentence or comment but for betty that was kind of the trigger for her because she immediately assumed that they were talking about her like her faith in god uh and that must mean that this is god right she says quote it is true i have faith in god and i have faith in jesus christ praise god praise god uh and the voice simply says back we know we know that you do you are that is why you have been chosen i can release you but you must release yourself of that fear through my

son. The second the voice says the words through my son Betty has a complete and total emotional breakdown. She says this was quote the catalyst for the most moving religious experience that I have ever witnessed her face quote literally shown with unrestrained joy as

tears streamed down her beaming face. What is the implication here? Why does this feel like doctor? She's talking to God. She's assuming that this is what this is. This feels like Professor Marvel to me like but he shows him the munchkin town and they decide that he's god yeah like that's she does the god does never the god the voice never gives her a straight answer but it just keeps answering

kind of weirdly enough until she interprets it as it's saying yes i am god and your faith in me is why i've chosen you when it's simply saying your faith in in your own stuff your ability to believe or whatever is why and then but it does mention through my son but that i mean that could mean the alien. Like that's like I feels like he's like picking up on what she's saying and kind of like connection of consciousness. Yeah. Yes.

Yes. Uh, and so when she, again, when she processes this in her mind as this is God, this is what apparently she said under hypnosis. Alex, go ahead. Oh, praise God. Praise God. Thank you, Lord. Excellent.

I know. I know I'm not worthy. Thank you for your Thank you for your son. Is this one's like being on the other side? Because I'm enjoying this tremendously. Bravo. I'm enjoying this.

Fantastic job. Yeah, she enters a state of pure religious ecstasy. I want you guys to know that the stage directions were in the script. Yes, because that's where they come from in the book. Also, they are in the book. More increasing, like, just. crying, crying, sobbing, uncontrollable sobbing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as if I'm like, you just, you just go from one to the next.

Yeah. She also later describes these were like tears of fear, but tears from love. And this entire bizarre, multi-stage abduction scenario with everything that happened, uh, with their family, the needles, the red fucking world, the worm and all this shit, all built up to this one single cryptic, deeply symbolic, Christian validation. for her at the end. And as she's standing there, bathing in the light, Quasgaa, her little gray guide,

steps up to her and he tells her, it is time to go. So, Betty is standing in this white spherical chamber, weeping tears of pure, ecstatic joy, having just had this profound religious experience. And her gray-skinned guide, Quasga essentially says, all right, wrap it up, bitch, we got to go.

And she turned around, and she's turned around, and that heavy vibrating pins and needles feeling returns to her hands, legs and feet. She's back on the thing, the black track, and her two escorts, not Quasga, are back in position, one in front of the other, one in back, rather, one in front, one and back. Again, Quasga kind of just showed up and was like, hey, it's time to go and then vanished. We don't, I don't know, like, he just stepped back into the ethereal.

They glide back through the crystals, but she noted that this time, quote, the crystals aren't quite as shiny and like a rainbow as before. The rainbow was much dimmer. They moved back over the vast green and blue lit world high up on the suspended track she sees the clear com C again the mist to uh to the side she sees the pyramid again she's just going back through all of it dean edited this out my i robot started i need to stop it because it's going to come in my office and be very loud what a world that's my fucking my rumba is going and i don't know why it's off oh we're recording off schedule that's why oh stop come back to your home that's so fun morning.

All right. Avoid that. Thank you. Sorry. It just started out in the big room and I'm like, oh, it's on the way. Hilarious. So, yeah, they start. They're gliding back through all of the, like the stuff that they came through.

Like I said, all that pyramids and stuff. And eventually, when they, by the time they get back to the ship, she says her legs just feel like bricks and that they cannot be moved. As they continue on till they reach a division with the veil between the green world and the red world, she described it as, quote, a square solid block of red glass. and then a green one, and you could just put the two together. That's what it was like. She said moving between the barriers,

between the green world and the red world. It was like glass that you could just like press up against each other. It's almost like a wormhole in a weird way. It's bizarre. So they glide back through this now, the red cavernous world with their, and when they come back through the red world, her escorts once again put their black hoods back on.

And it's only in this red world that they put their hoods on. don't understand why, but she's led by them. She sees all the same things, the stock-eyed monkey creatures, the worm out there, the weird square buildings, but they glide through the red world, and she sees the ahead of whirling circle, the original mirror that she came through. And she says, quote,

we're breaking through that mirror now. Doesn't hurt, but we're going through it. And in an instant, they're plunged back into the blackness, that dark tunnel that she said was like chipped like a coal tunnel for minors. And the only light is that. the silver shining suits of her two heads at this point.

They glide along this black track for what feels, quote, like a long time. And finally, she sees light up ahead. She sees the glass seats of the half cylinder room. The door, which was opaque from this side before, is now glass because I can see through. I'm back to the MIB headquarters, y'all. Basically, the door wushes up. They glide inside. And back in this room where two escorts finally remove their black hoods, putting them down

somewhere she said some putting them down someplace and she then floated over to one of the chairs but it's not the immersion chair she was in before they sat her down in that straight quote that strange seat there that different one from all the others this one's called the diarrhea chair it's a prank chair we're gonna watch it she'll make a mess she was so freaked out when she saw the androgynous Egyptian sculpture dudes She says it was with that chair with those buttons and those steel things there. This is the fourth chair in the row. Now she's sitting in it and they place her hands and arms on that thing on the, quote, metal bars.

So they're like metal bars. They put her hands and arms on. And I'm going to say, this is for Alex to read, just a line. And they're looking at me with their eyes somehow. Thank you. And then her body jumps violently once and then twice. This is during hypnosis. The investigators, as Fowler writes in the book, were startled at this moment.

They say her whole body convulsed twice. And in the debriefing, she explained, quote, he touched that button. I don't know what the purpose was. He was pushing my buttons. She had been given what she considers like two electrical jolts. She later said her eyes were closed when it happened. She said she saw the being touched the button without her eyes. open. For some reason, she had, like, almost like a remote viewing experience for when she closed

her eyes in there. I don't know. It's bizarre. After the jolts, she says she hears a, quote, whirring sound, and one of the beings comes over and opens her right eye for her. You watch. Then she's, quote, just floating off that seat. They float her in a sitting position again out of the jolt seat and back into the immersion chair. She was on on the way there. She's sealed in again, the tubes are put in her nose in her mouth again, and the gray liquid pours in from the top again. Do you think it's easier the second time around, or now that she fears it, it sucks even worse? Definitely, uh, in much easier this time around. In fact, here's what she said, Alex.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, she's like in, in the middle of being regressed and in the hypnosis, she's getting that all of a sudden getting hit with the goo and the syrup. Okay. They got me some more of that, uh, syrup. Mmm, it tastes good. Very sweet. It's sweet like a syrup. Give me that syrup.

It's a big syrup. As she's floating in this tank, now happy and drugged. The beings tap on the glass. They telepathically ask her, Betty, are you comfortable? This is one of the only times in the entire... That's more syrup than anybody's ever had. Are you good? She's looking at their fucking readout.

She's like, she's still drinking. She's still drinking. Most stop by now. Why is she drinking? Where is she putting it all? This is crazy girl. This is crazy girl. But when they, yeah, because when they do ask, though, in the whole event, this is one of

the only times they show any concern for her. Most of the time they ignore her are just coldly telling her what to do. But in the debriefing, she noted, quote, on the way back, they were much more sensitive, sympathetic toward my feelings. And the liquid then. is filled up and they, I assume the ship moves again. There's no feeling of movement, so to speak for her, but like some time passes and then the liquid is drained.

The canopy is open. The tubes are removed. She's wet again, coated by, quote, coated by oil or something, but they don't let her get up. She's floated out of the immersion chair and floated into the first one, the cold chair that was she was in when she first got here. The enclosure snaps shut, but this time it's not cold. She says she, quote, I feel nice and warm.

She said, quote, I can hear the air this time and it's warm, very warm. Maybe they were drying me off. I don't know. I was wet from that gray liquid. And as she's sitting in this warm chair, a, quote, picture swiveled over her. It's a bright, purplish color pink light shining down on her. And she said, quote, just like that bug catcher for insects, that purple light. She's like the purple like the mosquito zapper you hang out on your porch.

basically. And while she's being dried by a big purple bug zapper light, one of her escorts goes over to, quote, two cylindrical pedestals and grabs two white balls, one bigger than the other. The glowing glass-like spheres. After the warm air was done and she is dry, the dryer retracts, the canopy opens,

and she's put back in her follow the leader spot in between them. Her escorts now carrying these glowing white orbs lead her back toward the elevator tube, They came in. The glide back to the elevator, the silvery tube came down first, and they're lowered, and they're lowered through it, and the door opens. They are back, they are then, quote, back in that room. I see the hatch there, and on the floor, on the floor, it's up, and it's got a huge

spring underneath it, a huge spring with four other springs. This is the room she'd been cleansed in when she first got brought on board. Her two escorts are still carrying the glowing white balls. and they just stop. They end up just standing there waiting. And Betty, very confused, just says, what are we waiting for? And they reply,

Quasgaa would like to speak to me. A door flashes open and Quasgaa enters. He's back in his silver suit, not the blue one he wore in her home. And as he says something to the two that were escorting her, he then comes over to Betty. And quote, Betty says,

reached upward and placed his glove hand on, or rather the author said, quote, he reached upward and placed his loved hands on Betty's shoulder. His large mongoloid-like eyes gazed deeply into her own. Yeah, that is just a quote from a book in the 70s, bizarrely racist for no reason. I had a joke book from the 70s one time that we found in our friend's garage.

I cannot imagine that was any good. The joke was this, ready? Knock knock. Who's there? Dismay. Dismay who? Dismay come as a surprise, but I's your new neighbor. that's so stupid can you believe that that's so dumb yeah oh this this was just a time a few a different

time but just a few short years ago we must not forget how stupid people are uh yeah exactly correct i got to go back to the aliens i'm sorry and as he's staring at her he says his face changes betty described it as quote it seemed as if he were looking at me but also at the others quote his eyes got huge like a bee's eye and one eye glowed white the other eye had a black eyeball she then says his face crinkled and quote two deep dark furrows

appeared that looked just like what she says are feelers she was staring she said what looking into a giant bee head what the I don't know why I don't understand this lynchian nightmare type shit like after a while it just becomes just like some like

scary game squad shit yeah i wonder if this thing if i'm gonna because if i'm gonna go into the world of believing it i wonder if this thing's more closer to like what a mantid is a mantid being and it was like breaking down like it's like conscious shape and like because after he does as he's looking into her and she sees this face changes this be like face he then tells her quote child you must forget for a while and he says uh her face uh he says her quote your race won't believe me until much time has passed or won't believe you until much time has passed.

Awesome and spare, dude. Yeah, right? He says they, quote, love the human race and they have come to help. And then he gives this incredibly cryptic, almost biblical speech

that Alex, I'm going to have you read. This is Quasga's Big Goodbye after he took on board and Big Goodbye sounds like an Alex episode of this show. Clausegaz Big Goodbye happened in Redondo Beach in 1981.

And only 15 people believe it was real. And he says that they love the human race. They have come to help and then it goes here. The reason they have come to help. Because of great love, they cannot let man continue in the footsteps that he is going. It is better to lose some than to lose all. Man must understand many of the natural things on earth. If man will just study nature itself,

he will find many of the answers that he seeks within fire are many answers within ashes within the highest of the high and the lowest of the low are many answers clatu nicto baradum but it's interesting because it's like i don't know to me that speaks of like the idea of like as above so below right you know things that look microscopic also have a bear or resemblance to with the way our universe looks, right? Like, that idea of, like, the answers are there. Things to me, jumps quorum mechanics a little bit. Yeah, kind of idea. He tells her that, quote, they have had others here. Many others have locked within their mind secrets.

And he is locking within yours, within my, or she says, he is locking within my mind certain secrets. They will be revealed when the time is right. And he finishes, his face has changed. And when he finishes, his face changes back to what normal is normal as a great could look. and then he goes, go child now and rest. Quasga then leads her out of that room through another opening and, quote, up at that place where I first came in and the door is opening.

This is the quarter bubble ante room and the door to the outside is now open. Betty can see the edge of her house protruding from the bank of ground fog. She had realized they had brought her home. But Quasga isn't coming with her. He stays behind. And the other two beings, the ones in the silver suits, are her escort. They jump down one at a time, and she floats down between them, back onto the damp ground at this point, and the two beings are still carrying those glowing white spheres.

The one in front has the bigger one. She says somewhere between eight and ten inches, and he's rolling it over the back of his hand like a fushigi ball, is how I imagine it, where it just sat eventually kind of at the tap of his hand and defied gravity. The one in the back is holding the smaller one still. They walked back into the kitchen. They went through the porch door and, like, I mean, walking through it. They didn't open it. And she's just following them going in.

As they phased back through the solid locked door that they just came in, Betty is now standing in her kitchen. She has just been flowed back through the locked door now to set the scene following her two silver suit escorts. The being in front of her is holding the large white sphere in her kitchen now. And the being with a larger ball turns and glides, quote, over toward the pantry part of the kitchen. He stops near the sink, quote, and raised his hand, holding it up and pointing and pointing toward the window.

And at that moment, Betty gasped. Her father, Wino Aho, who she thought was frozen in the living room, quote, shuffled out of the shadows. He had apparently been in the pantry in suspended animation the entire time. Literally, interstellar. Literally interstellar. Well, he went to go see out the window and she thought he walked back into the bedroom. Nope, he was. No, yeah, I know, like, I don't go, don't go.

No, yeah, he's in the pantry. He got suspended animation in the pantry. So, like, he walks straight out of the chrono trigger, dude. It's like, what happened, dude? So apparently he just walks out in a daze, the being who seems to be controlling him with the glowing ball lowers his hand. And she says, quote, and my father stopped there. The being then raises his hand again and my father starts following him, walking like a robot into the living room.

Betty yells, are you all right, Daddy? Daddy! But he doesn't answer her. He just walks in the living room with the other being. She's left in the kitchen with the second being, the one holding the smaller ball, who just will not answer her no matter what she says. The first being eventually glides back into the kitchen, and he tells her, quote, Betty, now will you follow us? She gets back in line, and they all glide into the living room.

The scene is actually kind of just as she left it, she said. Her mother, Eva, is still frozen sitting in her chair. Her children are still all sitting there motionless. But then she sees her 11-year-old daughter, Becky. Alex, this is a quote from Betty about when she sees Becky. Becky's sitting there and she's smiling and grinning. She seems to be awake. She seems as if she's up, standing up, just smiling at me.

Just standing there. Her expression isn't changed now. She seems to be frozen in that smile. this dead ass is silent hill i know dude if you ever listen to the tapes and you can you can listen you know when when he goes to get that little key and that little girl comes by and kicks it that is what's happening right now well apparently what had happened is

becky had been thawned thought just long enough to see her mother return thought thought remember because she left uh with becky not knowing that becky was still in her conscious mind but unfrozen like her mind hadn't been frozen no gap You're saying thought, like it was in a block of ice? Yeah, well, I'm saying thought in a narrative way, where I mean, like, they get let go out of suspended animation. Okay. Becky had been released from suspended animation just long enough to see her mother return and then frozen again in that smiling grin. That's why she was smiling.

She had saw her mom smiled and then being noticed in frozen again like you're not supposed to be awake. What the fuck? Betty's staring at this. One of the beings gives her the final command saying, uh, Jesse, you can be the alien being here. Great. This is alien being playing with a big 8 to 10-inch white glowing ball on his hands. And that one is saying, oh, hold on.

And that one is saying, Betty, you will have to forget this. You and your family for the time being. There are many other things that we would have told you. They will come out at the appointed time. they did not the being then points and says the book over there and betty sees the little blue book remember the little book they traded initially still sitting on the end table it was the being tells her quote we are now going to put you to rest betty panics about her kids but they reassure saying they have not been harmed and then one of the beings takes the children

to bed like takes me to the other room takes them upstairs like in their arms like a baby no not quite like that uh betty watches stunned as quote the little ones are standing up they're moving just all getting in line and they're just marching off through the hall and i can hear them on the steps because our stairs are squeaky they're all gone up the stairs basically they got like little programmed robots they were just like sent them to bed that's so much to their rooms betty is left in the living room with her frozen mother though still there and the second being who still won't talk to her, by the way, the second one with a smaller ball.

And suddenly the first being is, quote, just suddenly in front of me. I didn't even see him come in. He's just there. He's holding the large ball closer to her face at this point and then, quote, taking my mother and father with him into the hall into my bedroom. He reappears just as suddenly in front of her again. This time, his, quote, hands held what looked like a glowing green candle in the white ball. Betty and her terror demands to know this guy is this alien's name, since his

wasn't the other one. And he replied with his name. His name is Juhop. Okay. Can you say that one more time? Yeah, no problem. I'll copy paste it. Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to try that one.

J-O-O-H-O-P. Yeah, no, I see it. Is it like, Joop? I read the book, so I don't know. I read the book, so I don't listen to the entire tree, so I don't actually know. It sounds like Mathis is saying it right, which is why I don't think I'm going to take a shot at it. Well, this being tells her the blue book is, quote,

given to you for a while. It is writing that will be discerned only through the spirit. It's writing. It is, and it's the writing of light. He says it contains, quote, formulas and riddles and poems for man to understand nature. He then tells Betty for her to follow him, and he leads her up the creaking stairs. But he doesn't take her to her own room. He takes her, quote, into the white and purple room, one of the children's rooms.

He tells her, quote, now that I will rest. And I, she says, now that I will rest and I will forget all that has happened until the time is ready. Alex, you can take this. And he's raising that ball and I'm getting undressed and pulling the covers down. And I'm crawling in bed just like I was a little child. And I'm covering up and looking up at him. and he still has this big ball a lot and he's and he's bending over me and he's waving his hand over my face.

As she's laying there, he gives, I guess what I assume is like a post-hypnotic suggestion to forget and as he does, she hears it and quote, whirring and worrying and starting up something like a big motor or roaring, like a whirring, roaring, and it's coming over from the right-hand side by Becky's little bedroom. This was the sound of the ship leaving. The roaring eventually fades, and Betty in the small bed

is now, quote, unquote, asleep. More like the baby in the small bed. Yeah. The next thing she knew, it was morning. Betty, under hypnosis, recalled waking up in her child's bed, and in her words, I jump out of the bed and I feel very happy. She could hear her kids downstairs

and her father, Wino, quote, talking in a sort of baby talk to Cindy. It was a, again, as she walks back down, it's like that family just went back to normal. Her 11-year-old daughter, Becky, also recalled waking up in her own bed with no memory of how she got there. She came downstairs, quote, she said,

and the kids were all fooling around. Mom must have had us, and the kids were all fooling around. Mom must have had it ready for us because we had pancakes. The Forget Command had worked perfectly, pretty much, on all of them. The children remembered seemingly nothing, Are we supposed to believe that the aliens made them pancakes like the fucking keyboard?

No, no, no, no. It was she got down before. That is exactly what is exactly right. The aliens said, do you guys like syrup or what's your vibe? Yeah. No, the mom woke up early. She was feeling good and happy and she went to making pancakes and getting ready while the, uh, her parents were already downstairs with the youngest, who was three. Then later in the morning, the 11 year old woke up.

She came down the stairs and she's like, she remembers some pancakes. Well, pancakes were there. Yeah, okay. Yeah, she's like, I remember that. Yeah, the only two people who actually seemingly remembered anything, anything last night, because, oh, her mother Eva claimed that to have blinked and the entire night was gone. She doesn't know what happened. She's like, I don't remember going to bed. I don't know what happened.

Her husband, James, was still in the hospital, so he didn't experience anything. And the only two people who remembered anything were Betty at this moment were Betty and her father, Wino. And they were both pretty terrified. As we mentioned, Wino had confronted Betty in the kitchen that night, saying, quote, my God, I think I've just seen a flying saucer. That's when he went out there and looked at the light and all that stuff. And afterward, he said, don't you tell nobody, they'll lock us up. A pact of silence. That's in that moment, a pact of silence of form.

That's the only acknowledgement he ever, ever gave Betty that this happened. Just that one time. The next morning, don't you tell nobody, they'll lock us up. That's all he said. And, but Betty was feeling good. He was not about it. But she said fine. And when Betty asked her father about it again, he said, quote, told me yes, but he did not want to get involved in it in any way.

After that, he refused to talk about it ever again. He didn't want to talk about it. But then, about three days later, 11-year-old Becky came to her mother. She said, Mommy, I have a, had a strange dream. She was clearly scared. And she said, it was obsessive. said me so much i had to tell my mom betty realized her daughter wasn't just forgetting she was actually remembering through the dreams so betty pulled her into the bedroom and because she was had given

the dreams or broken up experiences of what happened in the in the house that night right and uh so she goes on piecing it together kind of yeah and i'll just here we go i'll give you the quote this is for alex to read this from the girl yeah uh no this is for betty explaining to the daughter what she said this is what betty said to the daughter when she was talking about the dream. Mommy is going to tell you that it wasn't any dream, honey. It really happened, but don't tell anybody, will you? I said, I'll show you.

And I did take the blue book out. Okay. The book is still here. So Betty grabs this thing, goes to the closet of her bedroom where she had, quote, unquote, hidden it underneath a box earlier that morning. And the beings had told her to keep it hidden, apparently, because it must not be seen by any that were not worthy. She gets interrupted by her sons coming in for water,

hides a book, then goes back to get it again, and she brings this little thin blue book out and shows it to her 11-year-old daughter. She told Becky, quote, it's from Jesus. And Becky's face just lit right up. She was so happy and excited over it because Betty still thinks this is fucking religious.

She still thinks this is a religious experience. There's no reason for her not to, like I guess, right? Yeah, seriously, because they never said no. just played around like around it and we're playing around it questions of like how come none of this is in the bible like none of this of phoenix in the bibles it's but yeah no red no yeah there's not like uh and then jesus saw the gray worm a squarman like that's not yeah i don't know the worm in the ashes to look like a penis um but apparently becky said she immediately recognized the book and she said quote uh she said uh that's what they gave you mommy i remember that's what they gave you mommy i

remember that's what they gave you because she was in the living room still conscious in her mind at that moment when they were handing her the book and then something happens betty opens the book to one of the first three pages which she had described as quite snow quote snow white luminous white and then becky the 11 year old touches the page uh go ahead jesse you could take this quote this is uh betty saying what happened she touched one of the white pages and her little hand glowed from it She touched the second white page and her little hand glowed from it. She just said, look, Mama, which is like the books, the Bible copies they made, you know, when they were glowing white pages in her house.

Her daughter's hand is glowing from touching this alien book. And Betty just says, I know, I know. She was reliving. She knew like kind of had a moment of reliving the memory in this moment, she says. And she said it gave her goosebumps. After this, Betty kept the book hidden. And for the next week or so, her life. was a strange secret duality.

Her parents went back home. The kids went back to school. And Betty, alone in the house, would sit at the table and study the blue book. She said she didn't want to leave it, that it was too important. And she's looking at this book filled with symbols she can't read. She said, there's a pyramid with a shoot on it, an arrow. It's all very strange. That's a pyramid.

Nice. But the beings that told her that she would only have it, quote, for a time. Remember, that was part of it. She's like, you can have it for a time. They specifically said, quote, it would be 10 days that I, it would be 10 days that I would have to look at it. And sure enough,

about nine days after her parents left, she went to get it and it wasn't there. She said that she was scared because it was gone. She searched everywhere thinking her kids had gotten a hold of it, but then she realized the truth. The book was gone. The aliens must have taken it back,

just as they said they were going to when they gave it to her. She had no idea. All she was left with, was the trauma and now the splinter in her mind because of the missing time and a handful of bizarre cryptic poems that she would write down her subconscious again talking about all this weird shit uh eight years for the next eight years betty is then left with just the splinter of that memory with the missing time the terror the strange cryptic blue book that she remembers having for like

a week and she's also left with the physical after effects like the unexplated unexplained postules that ended up forming around her navel where they inserted the tool and the psychological ones like her daughter Becky's automatic writing of bizarre strange symbols that would occur. These weird things would kind of just pop up again and again over the years until 1977 when Ray Fowler's investigative team and Dr. Harold Edelstein, the hypnotist, pull this entire traumatic story back out of her subconscious over the course of 13 exhaustive sessions of hip, hypnotherapy. And this is where the story gets its kind of final layer of high strangeness. Because the affair wasn't just in 1967. The quote-unquote affair continued into the investigation itself. In July, on July 16th, 1977, the team is in session 12 of this.

They are pressing Betty, who is deep under hypnosis for more details. And they want to know more about the blue book. And any predictions, quote, unquote, for the future, the beings, might have given her. One of the investigators, David Webb, asks, can you reveal these now? Because, like, remember if she was saying until the time is right? Yeah, right. And Betty pauses.

Fowler writes that her face, quote, became contorted. It looked as if she was struggling against someone or something that was taking control of her speech facilities. Then, in a slow halting, what they described as mechanical voice, as if she's a puppet, she says the following. Alex, this is for you? They have things on control. control. They are in the heavens. They have powers. I don't like them controlling my words.

You don't know me. That's my words. I don't know you. She's in, uh, this is, uh, in the hypnosis session, 97. She's telling the investigators that the aliens are, what you're saying is like, they're there right now controlling or stopping her from saying or whatever. She says, but I know I'm there in 1967, but I'm here also. She's basically saying like, they're, In the time she's being abducted, they're actively suppressing her hypnosis regressions now. Sounds like time, like a weird time loop type situation. And then I'm going to let Jesse read this because then she starts speaking in an unknown language. And this is a phonetic rendition from the tape of what she says.

And now I'm going to make you do it. Thanks. No problem. Oh, toka-rah, bohatamah holata, and flora. Taratra, Etra meek Olahtra. Cool, dude. It was more like, Ohtookara, Bo, Mahada, Al-Mata, Ola, Fara.

You know, like, they're speaking in tongues. She's speaking in terms of prayer. She's speaking in terms of, like that. Okay, correct, correct. And this is like this foreign language in the middle of this hypnosis session. She tells the investigators, I'm just saying it. I don't know what they're saying. They're just saying it to me.

They basically hijacked, like these beings, If you've heard it again, except that they're real, are hijacking this hypnosis session. They're now clearly speaking through her directly to the investigators like a possession case, and the team now stunned starts asking the aliens questions like she's a tool. And they immediately ask what the beings want.

And go ahead, Alex, you guess this is what they responded. You tried to seek in wrong directions. Simplicity round about you. air you breathe water you drink fire that warms earth simplicity yeah they ask of the beings then are trying to protect man and betty's betty's voice replies no and yes because other worlds are involved in man's world man is very arrogant and greedy they ask how many other alien races are visiting Earth right now.

What's your guess? What do you think of these guys? I just want to know. Round number. Give me a number. Three. 200. Hmm.

Technically, Alex is closer. Ah, boom. 70. 70. 70 of them. Seventy? Yep.

70 different races all working together, quote, except for the offensive one. So 69 nice ones. Nice. Thank you. And one bad one. For whatever reason.

They ask if the beings can travel in time. The voice says, yes, they can reverse time. They ask if they've been here long. They say since the beginning of time. The investigators are now going back and forth with this thing.

And Betty is kind of like a translator, I guess you would describe her as. And they ask if they can help the beings in their search for knowledge. And the voice gives the single, I don't know, Jesse, this is their response when the investigators ask if they're here for uh searching for knowledge you would not have gotten this far nor gained this much information

had we not desired to help you yeah tldr you only know what we're letting you know like yeah it's like yeah it's a dumb question uh the beings are just not the subject here they they're they're very much acting like they're in control of everything here uh this weird little channeling event proved to the investigative team that whatever had happened to Betty Andreessen in 1967, Nick, 1967, at the very least, at the very least for her, she didn't seem like it was over for her. It was still ongoing in some way. And that in itself was, I would imagine, pretty scary for, for those involved. But again, Betty is weirdly just kind of okay with all this. She just sees it as God communicating with her. The hijacking

of this hypnosis session, the entity speaking directly through Betty to the investigators, it proved to the team that they weren't just digging up a dead memory. This is for them was very convincing. They were, they thought they were actively poking at something that was like still there and could poke back. They had made it clear that they wouldn't have gotten to humans or wouldn't have gotten as far without them. And this was like again at session 12 toward the end of a year's long sessions of hypnosis over time. They realized for them, at least according to the book, that the beings were preventing them

from getting certain information specifically about the blue book that they were trying to poke around for. The investigation after 13 exhaustive sessions was finally drawing to a close and Betty was preparing to move her family to Florida to be near relatives and start a new life. The team was left with a 528 page report,

a plaster bust of Quasga's head, and a story that defied any and all rational explanation. Damn. The high strangeness, oddly, wasn't fully done with Betty. Yeah. Were you going to say something, Alex? I just said, damn.

Oh, damn. We're almost done, though. In fact, it seemed to be that the weird high strangeness was now arranging around her in her life. And I, I accompany this to the phenomenon known as the hitchhiker effect. Like, once you see something, something about your mind understands what to look for, like it sees it more. But other weird, more tragic, I wouldn't necessarily call it. alien things happened as well. Because the first thing that happened was tragedy.

Just days before she was supposed to leave to Florida, her father, Wino, the man who had stood at the window and seen the grasshoppers in the snow, was hospitalized with cancer and died on August 27, 1977. Not Wino, man. Not Wino, bro. He had been one of the only other conscious witnesses, and now he was gone. We did get him that signed confession letter out of him before that, though, at least. And Betty, grieving, moved her family to Florida still, found work as a wait,

and tried to start over. And this is where the stories, like, what I would consider the story's epilogue that would lead into the next four books really starts, because it starts with a weird coincidence, which a lot of, like, high strangest things do. In Florida, Betty meets a man named Bob Luca.

Their meeting was a complete accident. Bob was on a cross-country trip with a friend and, quote, was not going to Florida, but for some reason they went. And through a friend of a friend of a coworker, he hears about Betty and her UFO experience. And he immediately says, I've got a meter and I want to talk

with her. This dude has me energy at the very least. I'd be like, please, let me talk. I don't want to know. But the one thing that he has that I don't have and I understand why he's more interesting than I am is because Bob was also an abductee. His experience also happened in

1967 and it happened just a few months after Bettys. He was driving to a beach in Connecticut when he saw two quote, large, bright cigar shaped objects. He watched two smaller oval. He watched two smaller oval objects drop out of one of them, one sped off, but the other headed right for him and descended

like a falling leaf, he described it, before it disappeared behind some trees. He remembered feeling very anxious and thinking, they're coming after me. The next thing he remembered, it was over three hours later, and he was arriving at the beach. He had no memory of what happened in that missing time, and for 10 years, just like Betty, he'd been searching anything to find out what had happened to him. So, Betty and Bob met. And they had, they are, they are two abductees from the same year brought together by what seems like sheer impossible chance that they would, in fact, later also get married. They, this was like, okay, she found somebody here. Because what something else we learn in the book is that this event put a huge strain on her marriage to her

current husband. This just changed her life. It changed her life. It changed her life. in a way that it often does. It didn't make her rich. Not many people got rich off of this. But it strained the relationship and it ruined two things. But she found happiness in somebody else. And the first time they ever talked

was on the phone and they talked about his experience. After Bob had his first preliminary interview with the investigators, it happened again. On October 19th, 1977, Bob called Betty to tell her about his interview. They're just chatting. And suddenly Betty said,

quote, we were interrupted by a voice, and I knew right away it was them. It wasn't Quasgaa. It wasn't the I am voice, but it was a new voice, a, quote, male voice, livid with anger, spoke to them in an unintelligible tongue. Jesse, this is Betty's description of this phone call. It was like a different language. There was a lot of L's and a lot of T's in it. It was fast, like a record was put on fast speed,

but even though it was fast, words were very clear. It was like somebody was excited and quick. The words were really clear. And Bob could hear it too. Betty asked the voice to speak up louder, and it did. They were both silently listening to this angry, bizarre alien voice, ranting at them through the, they're out of like a phone,

like a physical phone line from back in the day. And Betty said she, quote, was getting very nervous and upset because they said something about it is done and it is finished. And then the sound change, and this is for Alex. This is still Betty. I could hear some sort of a noise like some kind of heavy machinery was being set up. Clickings and noises like they were putting things in order or to start something rolling.

They kept on talking and I think Bob was getting a little shook up over it. So they panicked and hung up. Betty immediately called the investigators to report what had happened. She was seemingly terrified over the phone and the voice was so angry and had said, quote, it is done. She felt it was like a threat or a warning that something has to happen. And she, to her, to her belief, she was right.

24 hours later, she said her fears were realized. Betty and Bob hung up the phone, terrified. Betty convinced the angry voice in the clicking machinery were a direct threat. And here's what I want you to read, Jesse. I went into the room where Todd and Becky were. And I said, Becky and Todd, the beings were just on the telephone. And they were really mad. They were ripping mad.

And Becky got really scared. She jumped up and said, Mommy, don't say things like that. That scares me. I'm not sleeping in this room all by myself now. That's a common. That's a fair response for an 11-year-old, though. So the whole family, Betty and her kids huddled together in the living room for safety, and they all slept in the living room floor that night.

At about 3 o'clock in the morning, Becky woke up, screaming, Ma, Ma! Betty woke up instantly. She said, it's all right, Becky. I know, I know it's here. It's okay. Don't be afraid. The room was not dark.

Betty said, they would light saw through the living room. and a roaring a combination of noises like cars, trains, and airplanes, all sorts of noises in that room. And then they both saw it. Quote, suddenly a big, huge ball of light swooshed right over my bed and disappeared. And a big, huge ball of light flew through their living room and vanished, filling the room with a deafeningly unearthly roar. And the house was once again being visited. Betty and Bob had reported the angry phone call to the investigators. And Betty then met with Ray Fowler in person on October 21st to tell him about the phone call and the terrifying ball of light incident she was foul she was foulor rights filled with anxiety about the

future convinced something was about to happen and that 24 hours realized uh that 24 hours later came to realization in october 22nd 1977 the bold headlines of the sentinel and enterprise newspapers spelled out the news uh westminster crash kills two brothers betty's two sons at this point in time uh james age 21 todd age 17 were killed in a her horrific single car automobile accident wait and before her dad was also in a crash too yep what the fuck her husband was in a car that's right her husband not her father yeah her father died of cancer now her two sons got in a car crash uh the investigators were in foulers uh follow's own words shocked and sadden at the event and this brought the death toll of people who had been associated with

their investigation to four which included betty's father why no and one of uh and another that's a whole other story that i had to cut because it's it read the book There's so much in the book. There's another investigator who ended up dying during this shit. As objective investigators, they tried to convince themselves that the angry voice on the phone was merely just a coincidence, bad signal, crossing lines or whatever. And they even found a logical reason for the car crash. But the timing was just weird and it lingered over their minds the whole time. Fowler then points out a kind of weird parallel.

This exact thing had been reported before. In 1967, the same year as Betty's abduction, a woman named Reader, And Amali in Ithaca, New York, had her car, quote, taken control of by a domed disc object. Her five-year-old son was put into a trance. And while she was in this state, she heard weird, broken, and jerky voices like they heard over their phone. Quote, the voices named someone I knew and said that at that moment, my friend's brother was involved in a terrible accident miles away. In the very next day, she received word that her friend's brother, Paul Donald's, had been killed in a serious automobile accident. The aliens had given her a weird prophetic warning of a fatal car crash if we're to believe the other person's event.

And that's like Betty's experience like a weird dark mirror to all that stuff. And Betty's own conclusion was pretty firm. She believed differently than the investigators. She was convinced that the alien voice on the phone was out of a fallen or evil angel who hinted at and caused the tragic deaths of her sons. She believed that because of her abduction, she was, quote, caught in the midst of a supernatural battle between good. and evil and that this is the terror of the uh that this is the terror that would become the andries an affair and why she believed in it so heavily and like i said uh she the whole time it doesn't matter how far away from the event you get she fully fully believes yeah is

100% religious and and all this um and i you know i get it it comes from how she was raised and that's why it's she's such an interesting focus for this topic top uh subject but uh that's where we're going to have to leave Betty and Driesen's story. At least this version captured in the first book because obviously here's the thing. This wasn't the end for Betty. There's a lot more that happened according to the other books. Raymond Fowler would go on to write four more books about Betty's experiences.

That's what I'm saying. The case didn't close in 1977. It kept going. Betty would eventually, obviously met Bob Luca. They married and he turned out to be an abductee. Betty's experience continued throughout the 80s and 90s. She reported more contacts, more abductions, more imposterous.

events. The interesting affair became a saga in and of itself. And honestly, depending on who you asked, that's either proof of something genuinely weird and profound happening to this woman or proof that once again, once you open the door and you accept the framework, it just can never stop, or she's just completely delusional in her own mind. I'm curious what you boys think as we approach the end of this on the take of this entire affair. I think the most likely answer, of course, is that like she believes things to be real that aren't real. You know what I mean? Like she believes that things happened to her while she was dreaming or half conscious that

happened while she was less conscious, the most likely because otherwise there's no other, like I could say maybe she was on drugs. Maybe she something happened. Maybe she took some sort of bad water in her pipes and she fucking tripped out and saw the things that we all see when we take the psychedelic drugs. The fathers and the daughters experienced, they didn't go on that trip. They were in the living room and they just had the moment of being. frozen and seeing the beings and stuff and they all say they saw it that's true but we weren't there

and like that type of thing is always the weirdest type of thing and they're young and like i just think if somebody believes it hard enough you know it's like chaos magic it's like it's like it's like almost like it does become kind of real and and like going backwards like a lot of experiences that people have with psychedelics are like the question comes up is it real or are you just sort of creating it with your mind, are you generating it? And the answer seems to be that, like, there's not much difference between the two in the,

ultimately, and, like, yeah, like, I don't know. Like, it could be that these aliens are, like, thought-based. You know what I mean? And they could be literally happening in a dream, like, because they're psychic or they might just be life forms that exist only as memories, you know, you know, consciousness related. Yeah, you've never seen.

Why everything has this weird symbolic to it? It does have all the harm markings of a person who's just making stuff up to like get attention. But with that said, on a personal level, I want this for her. Yeah. And I don't think she was lying. Jay Allen Heineck only endorsed the first book about the additional investigation. Everything else that she claims happens in the 80s and 90s to her, J.

Alan Heineck is not involved. I don't believe this is like, in my mind, this has all the hallmarks of like, like you said, seven kids, a mom in a marriage that clearly wasn't vibing with her. She has a deal with family too. This sounds a lot like, you know, a lot of wishful thinking on like I am doing, I'm important. I'm more important than just being this birthing thing for you. Like, there's that vibe. But with that said, I want this for her. I hope this is real for her.

too because hell yeah there's a lot in this that's so weird and bizarre that i i dig it i dig it tremendously well to put a button on it no matter what you think whether you think betty encountered angels aliens interdimensional beings or something her own traumatized mind created to process an inexplicable event the andrescent affair i think forces you to ask what do we do with a story like this and what do we do with a witness like betty and unfortunately we don't have an answer nobody does but maybe that's the entire point Oh, and we'll end our episode there. The end.

Thank you. I'm so glad you got Andreessen Affair done. I'm so, I so thought this was something we'd done, but we did not. One of my favorite abduction stories, real or not, is still so fucking weird, almost through the looking glass-esque. Yeah.

Almost, I don't even know. So bizarre. Yeah, it's bizarre. Well, thank you all so much for listening. Thank you, boys, for dealing with more aliens and all that. We will be back next week with a brand new episode. We're going to off to patreon.com slash IlluminatiPod right now to do a minisode.

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