Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 33 - Ted Bundy Part 2 - His First Confirmed Kills

Episode Date: October 5, 2019

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It's time to get into the miserable stuff. Ted Bundy part two. Before we get into full on Ted Bundy thing, a quick, very small correction at the top of the episode, something that I was slightly off of. We talked about John Wayne Gacy a little bit. This was kind of just off top of my head in last time. And I incorrectly said he was a Republican.

He was actually a Democrat. He met with the Democratic leadership at the time. He was still a politician. So I was like mostly. Yeah. The point was that like, but there's like a mind. You have a mind for politics. I got a ton of people who like, excuse me.

He was a Democrat. So we get roast. We get politically roasted. We kind of got a little bit. Well, look, deal with it. Our mistake. I still, we're not trying to imply anything. My, my snide comments still stands.

That's, it's very true. Yes. And it still holds up. Well, the second correction actually has to do with when we talked about Ted Bundy's potential first murder as a teenager with the eight year old girl who went missing. But we're going to talk about that as we talk, as we go through the episode.

So hang on. Does someone know this? Does someone know who killed that little girl? No, I just, I just did extra research between episodes because I wanted to make sure that I was giving the right info and I gave mostly right info, but there were just some important things that I wanted to cover. Now I'm imagining you getting a call from like the, like

mysterious killer who's like, you missed a couple things. You're like low key. You're like low key going through some like horrifying like Da Vinci code. As like West behind the scenes, the truth behind it to make these, to make these episode outlines on Google drive. Well, if you remember last time where we left off Ted Bundy, we learned of his lie riddled, murky history of his childhood

upbringing. And on one hand, we were told to believe that his grandfather was possibly angry, violent, misogynistic, racist. And on the other hand, maybe all that's a job. We really don't know which one's true. Where I kind of sit is the version of the story where he seems to have at the very least had some sort of normal childhood.

But while we'll never know the full truth, I think it's safe to say that it's probably closer to the former rather than the latter as we did learn about his adopted father and Theodore or Ted's tendency to be a loner and angry. Remember from episode one. Those things are confirmed. Yeah, those things are all confirmed. We know for a fact that that is true.

So I definitely lean a little bit more towards a normal childhood. Beyond that, it's also important to note that there's still quite a lot of victims that are unconfirmed, but heavily suspected to be Bundy's victims and everything we know about how and why he killed, who he killed, where he buried them. Keep in mind this all pretty much just comes straight from his mouth.

It's an untrustworthy story. But when we take what he said, paired with the evidence that was found at hand where some of the bodies were and it doesn't feel totally crazy. Exactly. A lot of it gives it breathes an air of truth into his own admissions, which is why at the very least, when he talks about some of his murders, we, you know, you listen with a

with a tendency to at least believe parts of it. But before we pick up directly where we last left off, a reminder that this episode could be particularly could be particularly rough. To listen to for some people as we're going to be talking about his early beginnings as a killer. So certain topics might be a little bit rough. So just, you know, prepare yourselves.

What did you expect listening to the Ted Bundy episode? Of course, of course. But I just want to throw that out there. So let's rewind time just a bit back to October 31, 1961. The day Ann Marie Burr, an innocent eight year old girl, went missing, never to be found again. This is the girl we were talking about last time. Yep.

This is Ann Marie Burr. This is the girl we were talking about last time. Yep. This is the girl we talked about in the first. Okay. This was the girl we briefly mentioned in episode one, the one that could potentially be Ted Bundy's very first kill. He would have been around 14 years old at this time.

And on that night, on that night at 5 30 in the morning, the Burr family would realize that Ann Marie Burr was missing from her room. The living room door had been slightly left open as was the window in the living room. The young girl would never be found, but some evidence and forensic testing led many to believe it was Ted Bundy who took her.

Now, the first episode said there wasn't that much evidence and that still remains true. But the things that were left are kind of important. It's more than there wasn't enough evidence to like. Nothing to pin. Convict. Yeah. Yeah.

Especially, you know, at that time when he's only 14, people weren't really thinking. Hmm. All right. Let's go over the evidence. Yeah. I was about to say, do we know what that evidence was? Yes, we do.

Yes, we do. So at this point in time, Bundy lived relatively close. So much so that his paper route at this time included the neighborhood and lived in and in turn, Ann's home. This house was also feet away from one of his own childhood homes. So it's not at all impossible to think he'd known or had interacted with Ann at some point over her eight years of

life. There's also the evidence of an unknown shoe print outside the open window that measured to size six, which would fit the size of a typical teenage boy. The parents would then go on to speak to Bundy in 1989 before his execution. Afterward, they would publicly state that, quote, based on circumstantial evidence, unquote, they believe their

daughter was taken and killed by Bundy and her remains were buried somewhere on the University of, and I apologize. I called, I said, Pudget last time. Puget. I thought so heavily. It's Puget University University. I didn't want to correct you because I was like, I correct everyone too much.

I'll let the internet have that one. Well, if you're not going to, the comments are going to. Yeah, you know what? It's like a game. You've got to let the audience correct you every now and again. Right. You've got to drive engagement by making slight typos and

pronunciation mistakes just to make sure everybody's paying attention. So good on you. You know what? Typos. Very Republican. Moneyball, the movie. Right.

Typos are very Republican is what I hear. That's such a Republican move. That's also very, yeah. It's such a Republican. Leave him. Leave him. The comments. There is a Democrat who made a typo.

Yes. Keep that engagement high. They're like. Uh, so after the conversation, the parents believe that he did it and her remains were buried somewhere on the University of Puget Sound. It's completely possible that this is all a giant lie that just kind of seems to fit nicely with Bundy's timeline and

his upbringing because again, this admission that the parents got came right from his mouth. And I think�alty has the same idea. And we are right on the ground. Somehow the foot, the, the footprint obviously fits a younger person. Though I'm left wondering since we know nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trustworthy if he's telling the

full truth. Episode one, was an entire example of lies muddying the truth, because he needs to be the center of all things at all times. And in 2011 forensic testing of material evidence from the crime scene at the Burr's House, and I quote, yielded And that's the extent of all evidence we have at this particular time. So they were literally neighbors They were they were neighbors literally at some point

He was he could hit the house that belong to that was his childhood home It was his uncle's home and go and visit and spend time there as a kid over over the course of his up And he also dead-ass said he did this once right? He said it to the parents behind closed doors Whether that why you know, why do they all have a time to talk? Why don't they have a chance to talk to each other a lot of people got Well, he was on he was on death row and I imagine for his execution And people were like we need to have closure and the family was like I just want to talk to him So I know so they were like did you kill my daughter and he was like

Yeah, whatever whatever he said they walked out believing he did it and believing her remains were on the University of Puget Center Here's the thing. I feel like If you're a narcissistic asshole Isn't it kind of like wouldn't you if someone came to you and you're like I'll be dead anyway like yeah, yeah, I killed her Yeah, exactly. How do you trust anything this dude? He's a social like how do you trust anything? He says I don't know I feel like he would be like yeah, sure. I did Like yeah, okay. I would love to know more about that next week, you know like I

Would love to know more about that Puget sound situation Well, the other thing was serial killers too, especially those who were convicted and get put on death row towards the end They just start admitting to even things that they never did. Oh, yeah, it's a celebrity They'll build their legacy. Absolutely build their legacy. So it that's why I'm still left wondering May like he might not have and see you could have just you know It just lined up coincidentally with him But who fucking knows but that's that's the extent of what we know about that particular disappearance Because we're gonna talk about what we know are his first two confirmed kills this episode

Which is kind of the the birth of the monster in such in such a way So when we left last left Bundy he had recently enrolled in UPS law school in 1973 Broke up with his girlfriend. Uh Stephanie Brooks is some sort of psychopathic power move And by April Bundy had begun to skip his classes Right around the time women in the pacific northwest started to disappear Now like everything else involving Bundy's past We don't have a specific date or which murder was his actual first in this soon to be Four years long attack on innocent people as we just said it could have been when he was a teenager

But the first confirmed attempts we do know start in 1974 Particularly on the night of January 4th 1974 right around midnight Right then Bundy would enter the home of a young dancer and student of university of washington Her name was Karen sparks On this friday night long asleep after a long day of school and dancing Bundy would be making his first attempt on of his first victim as an adult that we know of Karen's room also had access to the basement of the house that she slept in Uh while she slept what she didn't know was that at some point during the night

Bundy had snuck into her basement through with God and quietly sat in the basement by himself for hours on end Her housemates at the time slept through the entire night and hadn't heard anything suspicious whatsoever Unfortunately for Karen eventually Bundy either got up the nerve or made a random decision to slowly creep up the stairs Quietly opened the door to Karen's room from the basement Remove a metal rod from her bed frame and beat her within an inch of her life With it before slipping out of the house without anyone ever knowing he was there. How do you beat someone to death? With their own bed frame and no one here

Right, so one of the things like eventually What we learned is 10 bundy's method was the first hit always with a med Let a med a lead pipe or metal pipe or a wrench was to the head always knocking them out instantly She had no idea he was there. She was sleeping Maybe the bed frame was like loose and maybe he popped it Or or he did it in such a fast manner that if she was waking up it would have been She would have been groggy and not entirely sure what's going on before he Uh hit her in the face so there was just no sound to be heard

Nobody woke up. None of the housemates. That's so whatsoever Crazy methodical that you I mean there's something. It's that it's definitely that serial killer thing. I'm just like I know the perfect way And yeah, it reminds me when we go back to um Joey peanuts or whatever the hell his name was Tommy Patero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, uh jay. Joey peanuts boys like fucking goofy from the disney cartoons Joey peanuts Tommy Tommy, uh, that's uh, Tommy walnuts is is

Frank Walnuts. Frank Angie is the Donald Duck. Uh, yeah big too big tuna Giuseppe. Uh, so the But we going back to that like he knew Every single point on the human body that was like this is how I kill him really quick This is how I hack him up. This is like It's almost like you're a butcher and you're just dealing with meat and like all right Here's where you cleave this and this is where you do this and I imagine people who Uh, you know, this is a fact of life

Kill animals in order to uh, yeah, send them off to be butchered They know exactly like this is the most painless way. Yep. They like know exactly how to do it It feels very much like that where he's just like Okay, whacked the back of the head and just goes to town like that's crazy I even think in one of his interviews when he was on death row He said, you know, the first few murders are methodically planned to the to the second whereas on your 20th You forgot the crowbar And like you you know, you have to improvise because you just get so used to it the difference between

I think someone like Paterra and like Bundy is that Bundy was an emotional rage killer Everything he did was be for his own sexual satisfaction his own desires and his needs where Tommy Paterra He lasted so long because he in his mind served something greater the mafia the the lifestyle all this killing was He was like doing a job. Yeah. Now. He was still a serial killer and he was still effed up But he had that rationalization of like this is my job. This is what I'm good at. This is my calling I will not fuck this up where Ted Bundy four years later was just Completely frayed and just didn't care anymore And it was just kind of doing it because it's the only thing that gave him any sense of

Potential feeling or emotion. Oof. Just it's just interesting Um, so the next morning Karen's roommates had no idea anything was wrong when she didn't come out for breakfast or lunch They then decided to check in on her room only to find her beaten bloody unconscious body laying there A pool of blood surrounding her an absolute mess But most importantly, she was still alive Jesus she would be right to the hospital after 911 is called and Karen luckily would actually survive Was this the only person who survived? Uh, I think one uh, no, uh an adoption an an abduction attempt happened in 76 that he failed and I think he failed another abduction attempt in

75 well, I have to double check. Um But uh, yeah, while Karen was lucky that she survived to this day She still suffers permanent brain damage and will for the rest of her life actually listen to an interview With her a couple of days ago from 2018 And really the the the long lasting effects is like difficulty reading comprehension retaining information long term But she can still speak and is uh, you know, it's not like she's she has somebody typed out for her She still speaks and is very with it. It's just slower difficulty with comprehension and stuff like that She's she's lucky. She's alive

Now in my mind There's no question Bundy fully intended to kill Karen that night Um has his next attack would actually be no more than a month after this and normally with serial killers Uh, there's usually a wind-up time to the first kill and then there's a long period of time between that first kill and the second kill The first kill is usually meticulously planned and there's a sense of uh, there's no real sense of rush until the moment of for the serial killer afterward there's like the sense of relief and uh, Their next victim isn't for months sometimes for some even years until eventually that need becomes sated again But needs it more and more and more and it kind of acts like an addiction for serial killers

Where it starts to ramp up and they need to start doing it every three months every two months every month every two weeks And then usually that's when you see them start to get caught because they start getting lazy They start killing in areas closer to their homes but Bundy is different and I think of the reason he's so fascinating is because He dove head first. There was no looking back. There was no slow wind-up. There was no slow attempts It was first attempt second attempt and then for the next four years 30 confirmed but likely much which to me Doesn't make him an outlier if anything it means that we don't have all the information because it sounds like He probably was killing before this. Yeah

And that was his wind-up And this is his acceleration rather than it be like oh, he's so different and he Just kills without caring and he did it really quickly. There's probably stuff just information people don't know That's so I I heard I fully agree I I fully think the the muddied history and and everything adds to It lets you like most conspiracy theorists, right? You leave enough blanks and you can plug in the holes yourself and all he if muddy did one thing in his life You know with with any sort of of success. It's muddying his past

He he did an excellent job at making sure nobody really knows the history of him up to this point basically Uh, it's from here on that we have a much more substantial understanding of his actions and his murders but Karen survived and that's you know It's it's horrifying what happened and to think that he sat in her basement for hours But thank god she lived and she can still tell her story to this day His next victim would come four of three weeks and six days later on february 1st of that year And like before she also was a student of the university of washington and for work She was a radio broadcaster

She also lived with five other girls as most who on the campus ended up doing And much like his first victim he would head to the basement of the house first It's likely that ted bundy ended up casing this place for days on end before he made his attempt And we'll talk about why in a minute The difference was the victim's room was also a basement room and her name was linda healy She was two quarters away from graduation And leaving the college for good On the night of february 1st after a day of at work and a nice night out at the local bar with some friends

She would be seen for the very last time by her housemates opening the door to her basement room dressed in blue jeans a white blouse and boots The following morning linda's typical 5 30 a i am alarm clock would go off so she could head off to work that day But by 6 a.m. That alarm was still going off So her roommates would head downstairs to wake her up only to see that she wasn't anywhere to be seen Fuck Assuming she had left a little early for work that morning. They thought nothing of it until the phone rang When her roommate answered it it was linda's job asking for her

And that's when it sank in that something was a little off But her roommates decided to have a more detailed look around to see if anything else was off or maybe linda was elsewhere in the house When they took notes, uh, that's when they took note of two things linda would usually go to work on her green bike every single day and in the basement there her green bike sat untouched where it always was unmoved But the most important thing that was noticed was the basement side door that led directly into her room See while linda never used that door as it was almost impossible for it to lock correctly on the outside Someone had unlocked it and left it unlocked when they left the room

Still though it wasn't quite enough to have them call the cops Maybe she left at the side door in a hurry or something went wrong So they all went about their day and attended their classes, which of course none of them linda ended up showing up for And later that day linda's parents showed up for dinner They were supposed to have met linda of tonight and have dinner with their daughter But she'd not been seen all day and still hadn't returned home That's when they all decided to call the police Shortly thereafter the police arrived

They were led downstairs to the basement room by barbara, which was her roommate a roommate of lindas who shared the basement But had a separate room separated by a ply wall After being led into linda's room the detective began to look around and one of the first things he did was pull back the blankets on her bed And there just under the blankets barely hidden away from sight Was dried caked blood covering her bed in her sheets and her nightgown. She had worn to bed that night also covered in blood However, jesus her backpack and outfit she wore the night before were all missing There are a few theories as to what ended up happening that night theories run from

Run from bundy using the nightgown as a quick attempt to clean up as she came downstairs He struck her cleaned up the blood as it bled everywhere and then left with her as she was Or he waited for her to fall asleep beat her while she slept changed her clothes before he took her away And then disappeared out the side door afterward Likely as as would become the norm for him He would have hit her as hard as he could in the head knocking her out and causing no noise otherwise Changed her clothes and then taking her outside the side door As for how or where he came into the house from well, there's two possible answers to that

First was obviously the side basement door Well almost certainly used as a quick escape if it was locked properly There's no way he would have come through there without breaking the lock to get in However, the girls that lived in the house had a spare key hidden away in the mailbox And if bundy was casing the place and stalking it for any period of time It would but it would have been insanely easy to see They had a key in the mailbox that one of the roommates may have taken at one point and put it back Three days later on february 4th, 1974 a man dialed 911

This would be the transcript from that call Listen and listen carefully The person who attacked that girl on the 8th of last month and the person who took linda healy are the one in the same He was outside both houses and he was seen The 911 operator replies who's calling? And the response was no way. You are not getting my name. And then the phone was hung up Yikes with this with his first unsuccessful attempt shortly followed up by his first successful murder bundy The shithead monster that he would be for four years would become truly active

From that point on at very least one murder a month would be put under his belt on average Maybe more one murder a month for four years on average Shit, and that's that's without the police believing that he he his number may be doubled that but we'll never know double Yes That he was insanely active and it may be double It may be double that they believe that his number is somewhere in the 60s, but the only ones that they have Are are they pinned 30 on him?

Confirming on Fuck that is awful Confessions And from there ted would go on to be the bundy that would that we would know and Hear about for literal decades and are still picking apart to this very day Bundy the monster was indeed born And it's interesting to to to think that if If he did start as a teenager

My mind wanders and wonders How active he was during his teenage years how old is he now? How old is he at this point? Uh in 74 who that's a good question off the top of my head. I'm not off the I don't know I can check Um, let's see. He confessed to 30 In 70 February 1st 74 to February 978 would be his span of crimes. They apparently do not count his first attempt That didn't kill but the first murder was but how old was he?

Uh age He was born in 40 so he was 42 when he died so in 70 he died in 89 he was 42 How old would he be in 74? 89 79 28 so he's 28. Yeah So there was like a 15 year gap where we don't know how many people he killed correct We don't know if he was active or if he was not active Uh Again if his teenage years are truly

Where he started I mean that's a decade if 14 was his first if this this eight-year-old girl was his first That's 10 years of potential wind-up time And if he's you know fits the profile of many other serial killers This is very likely he was killing animals for a long time as well That's almost always part of of the kind of evolution of a serial killer. Sure. Is there any Bundy animal evidence? Uh, not that I that I have written down or read about but it's possible. Has he talked about it? Let's see real quick. It feels like a lot of his early life the whole

Thing about it is how much of a mystery it is now much. It all seems fake But also real and everything he tells you is is just sort of like Unreliable. I think that's part of it part of the mystique of him as a as a crazy Yeah, and going into the next episode the final episode. We'll talk about obviously his capture, but Because there's literally over 30 confirmed. We can't I'm not going to go through every single fucking murder. There's no point in going through Right. Um, I really wanted to cover the first two and then the last and in between It's when he became even more methodical. So while we talk about him waiting in the basement pulling off a bed thing

very shortly thereafter Right around 1975 is when he develops his basically his kill kit where he has Stashes of tools stashed away for when he wants to commit his murders Which usually had a mask gloves screwdriver led pipe belt rope trash bags for the body and blood and a clean some cleaning stuff And you have multiple of them stashed around the state for when he had need of them That's fucking Crazy. It's like a villain of super villain. Yeah, it's like yeah. I mean and in

You know when we never get an answer as to why or what not because he keep blaming everything from porn to his upbringing He was just a broken man all the way through And how he how he ended up killing and gaining their trust Well, we'll talk about in the next one as well because he gets way more brash Towards the end of his life when he starts impersonating authority figures impersonating police impersonating Just people to gain women's trust quickly and effectively get them in the car Knock them out take them to the forest and do whatever that goes back to that lazy thing You were talking about like over time. He's like, all right. What's a faster way to do this

And he becomes and the fact that he's just like, oh, yeah, just trust him a cop that should work That's there's not there's two stories that stick out So I'm sure we've all heard the story of the the cast where he would wear a cast and he'd be at the park If you don't know, I don't I don't know that story. Oh, okay. Uh, so there's there's a story, um that from from somebody who was uh Basically what happened is he he feigned that he he had a broken army to cast on What and uh, he parked out in the public in daylight out in a park And he'd ask for help like I can't lift this into my car Could you help me and ask like a woman and the woman would come over and help and as soon as her

His back he'd pull out a lead pipe cracker in the head and just push her into his car. Oh my god and drive off And that's how he he caught many of them There's another story where a bunch of friends went camping one night And this police officer showed up in the woods dressed as a cop But he wasn't driving a police car and he tried to lure one of one of the girls in there to to come answer questions Like why are you guys out here? What are you doing? And uh, she never went and when eventually they never went he eventually just left and later on they they say that the description matches Ted Bundy

Like he showed up tried to cap and can't kidnap one of them drive off with them and then just go fucking kill him That's what the fuck it's fuck. He's a fucking monster. He's an absolute horrible horrible monster and uh, what he did and how he did it is, uh Unfortunately, probably gonna be spoken about for decades here. We are talking about it, but it's important, you know to kind of talk about A lot of what I just I keep thinking what if he had gotten mental health as a kid 10 years old nine years old eight years old What if what if He had gotten, you know Some sort of therapist or something in a time where therapy and all that stuff was so looked down on and not even really paid much attention to

It's just the psychology it kept it. It's it's It fascinates me in every way. Yeah, it's it's it's some wild stuff. I I like Like I empathize with a lot of people. I I just can't like no wrap my mind around it I No matter how many books I've read I'm serial killers and stuff. It's just not a mindset you could put yourself in unless you are There there's just no there's no It's just it's it's it's sad and he's a monster

But that's where we're gonna end up leaving Ted Bundy for this episode and we're gonna wrap up the story in the final episode big part three Big part three. I really thought this was an important step. So I really want to talk about his first killings and leave it there And then we'll move into I just I don't see the value in talking about six kills back to back. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah So that'll be it there the next episode actually before we we talk a little bit more is uh our listener stories halloween special We're gonna be recording that soon as this episode Boo

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