Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 34 - HALLOWEEN SPECIAL: Your True Stories

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

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Check out this versatile lineup at Toyota.com. Toyota, let's go places. Well, you're listening to this now, but in five days from now, everybody, we're going to be at doing a live show. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Luminati podcast. Episode 34, our Halloween spooktacular. I just saw Jesse's mouth move, but your audio was cut.

We are doing as we did last year, reader stories. So thank you for joining us. I'm very excited. There's some really good stuff in here, and I'm either making Jesse or Alex read this first one. But before we get into it, before we read it, exactly before we dive in, we got a live show in only a few short days. Come join us in Boston.

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exclusive merch there. We're going to get to glow in the dark posters, maybe some t-shirts. So if you're going to come by, grab them while they last. Get wild. You guys there. It's going to be super fun. But with that being said, Hey, Jesse. Hey, Alex.

Hey, ready to read some stories? Yeah. That comes right from the chaluma naughty pod. Chaluma naughty pod subreddit. Shout outs to those guys. They're all great. Yeah. All right.

Our first story comes from the poster. Geo Geo Passion. Oh man. It sounds like a Japanese soap opera. And it is called Victorian haunts. Boys, which one of you would like to take the reins on this one? I'll do it. All right.

Take it away. As a young kid, I lived in a big semi-detached Victorian house with two siblings and both my parents. I was always considered weird and was definitely the kind of kid to drift off and play make believe. However, we're with that. First of all, nothing wrong with that. I played pretend all the time as a kid.

That's normal ranger every day. I would still call you weird. So I mean, yeah, it checks out. Hashtag normal kid vibes. However, I would lay awake at night and hear a hammering noise. It wasn't the typical noise of hammering nails into a wall, but chinking like a blacksmith working. I'm going to just edit that to clinking.

We're going to just say clinking instead of chinking. You know what that is? The rickety rack of your parents bed is going at it in the room over. Oh shit. Don't do that to. Don't do that to Gio Gio Gio passio to Gio Gio passio. That's what he's named after there. That's the same.

The parents were having a little Gio Gio passio of them of their own. Yeah, don't do that. I eventually got used to the noises and pushed it on the age of the house with my mom's encouragement. Yeah, your mom, your mom was. Yeah, it was. It was the house, baby girl's house. Get back to sleep.

One night I got up and was parched. So I went downstairs for a glass of water. My kitchen window overlooked my garden. And when I looked up from my glass, a man stood in my yard hammering. Who hammering what? He did not look at me nor acknowledge my presence in any way. He just carried on hammering. I stared for a long time past the point of sleepiness.

And even though I went back to my room, I could still hear him and I did not go back to sleep. My mom insisted I was just sleepy, but I was adamant about what I'd seen. I don't know. I don't know how you just keep going. We all know what the man was hammering in the backyard. Let's move on. Look, the segue next says when I was around 12.

So this was pre 12. This is pre 12. That's a distant memory. I think I don't know for sure how old Geo Geo Pachione is, but with a mature name like that. Such a good name. I love it. Such a good name.

Maybe it's Jojo Pashone. I don't know. Not so good. Geo Geo Pashione. It's like what I would. He hangs out with Tommy Pitera. It's like my secret name that I put on a hotel slip. All right.

All right. All right. All right. When I was around 12, I started to experience heavy bullying in school to the point where I had started to feel uncomfortable in my own home. I was worried about being chased and hurt in the place. I was supposed to feel safe. It's important to note at this time that I was started to become invested

horror games. I would never play, but I did watch my brother a lot. Okay. Okay. Following that M for mature rating on the game. Love that. Yeah. One day I came home from school and was feeling uneasy.

I didn't play any games, but instead quietly a dinner and tried to push it off after dinner. I ended up in the kitchen alone and something about the isolation heightened my fear. I became convinced there was an entity in the house that wanted to hurt me. I didn't see any physical manifestations of the entity, but I certainly sensed its presence. I was locked to the spot and grew more and more panicked, but mostly

unable to move. I cried silently for a long time with everyone else rambling about in different rooms of the house. In desperation, I grabbed a knife, any knife, any old knife, just a knife and ran upstairs crying. The plastic knife. I still didn't make any noise and in the house with three kids. Nobody really noticed me running about.

I cornered myself in my mom's bed and started bawling uncontrollably. I screamed for it, whatever it was to leave me alone completely and utterly convinced I was helpless. My sister found me knife and all and screamed at me to stop screwing around and to put the knife down. I told her about the entity and she told it to leave me alone, took the knife from me and held me as I cried. We've never talked about it again.

Since that day, I found incredible difficulty in sleeping in the house. At night, I would feel an intense burning on my back, like when you know someone is staring, but you can't look at them. I could never look and just buried further into my sheets and tried to sleep. This went on for years until 2013. My dad until in 2013, my dad wanted to move to a different country and therefore leave the house way behind.

That was comforting. So I agreed that it would be a great idea. But in the year before I left, one last entity appeared. It was a woman dressed in black who would sit at the end of my bed and stroke my leg. Oh, hell yeah. No, I mean, no, where do we go? I live.

What? What different reactions to stroke in my life? You know what? Actually, I'm going to. Here's the thing. What do you mean? Actually, well, my initial thoughts were, oh, it's like a Baba Yaga. It's like, but I understand math.

It's like, what if it was like? You're imagining the virus shows up. It depends on the person. I don't care where this disembodied entity came from. She's hot. That's how you die. Let's like, that's the trick. Yeah, like the gorgeous woman and she's like, I'm actually email.

That's how I died five years ago. That's when you get a paper bank like we call you butter face. You're hot. Let's go. Don't do that. I knew immediately. This was the same entity that had staring at me in my sleep from the atmosphere she brought with her.

At this point, I wasn't exactly scary, but unnerving and sad. This woman was clearly mourning something and being in my room made her at peace. Although she made me uncomfortable. I didn't mind too much as we were leaving. All right. Like, you know, so here's the thing. Sometimes even ghosts need a need a leg in order to get over someone to rub.

Yeah. Get under someone. A ghost that is who are you because while you're under them, you they you can still be seen from above because they're translucent. All right. All right. After this, we moved abroad and whilst I had odd night terrors and sleep paralysis involving apparitions, I never experienced something that

felt clearly inexplicable to me again. I don't really know how these figures may be connected nor have I done must research into the history of the house for ideas, but I definitely felt like I was being faced with something completely out of my power. The end. Okay. Okay. Let me just from Jesse's perspective as a skeptic.

Here's my questions for you. Why did you never do research? If I saw a hammer man, if I saw a hammer man because they were like eight years old. Yeah, hold on now. Hold on now. If I saw a hammer man and it stuck with me to the point where to this day, I was like overwhelmed by it.

And if I was scared enough to go up in a room with a knife and sit there and be like, don't come at me spirits. And if a woman was rubbing my leg on the bed, I'd rather the rest of my life. I saw other apparitions. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say you can look up that house still to this day. Follow up. We need to follow up.

We need information. Google your old address and look up information. There are libraries. You can do the legwork on this. Don't say I'd ever really looked into it. You look into the hammer man. The hammer man. Because so deep down like that child knows what the truth was.

Jesse just has to know whether or not this ghost is hot. Right? I'm down though. I want to know. Don't give up. Was there? You can still go back and find out. Maybe the family history.

The Mormons have a great database. If I can get a hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. This writer used the word mum, M-U-M, which means we're looking at a Brit probably. And what I'm saying to you is all y'all got records. You go to the county. Go to the like the friar or someone. I don't know a friar.

Go to the Baron. Talk to someone. Get that information. You know that house. If it's haunted by Hammersmiths, go back there. Find out. Did the Hammersmith have a sexy wife? Does she like rubbing on legs?

How heavy was she? Like just let me know. That's all I'm saying. There's a lot of this story that I feel like it's on you to do the research. This is one of those stories where I'm actually hoping it's real because I want a sexy ghost lady. You want to just, you want to buy this house and just live out your days getting stroked by a ghost?

Well, here, if you get stroked by a ghost, there's a good chance it's a succubus and that's a demon. So just be careful. Here's the thing. Not wow. I've lived a good life. I know where I'm going. You're ready.

You're just like, right? Find one. So be it. Yeah. Do you guys ever read like weird books in high school about ghosts and stuff? If that was ever your interest. Yeah, sure. I used to read about like duck like other dimensions and stuff like that.

And I remember reading about like succubuses and what they want. It's like your spirit energy. So they'd like fuck your ghost and I'd be like, God, I want to Astral's project. So I just desperately try like Astral project. What? So succubuses in the lore, the one when they sleeping with you, what they're doing is they're they're taking your energy and like feeding off of you. And that's kind of how they subsist off of in whatever world they live in.

So my like world boy. No, no, no, no, I was picking up like books on Astral projection like get me there. This is why they made comic books of young Doctor Strange right there. That is I can't follow you down this path. I can't follow you down this path. Well, I heard about succubi and I was like, I'm going to learn to Astral. Play back the clip from one second ago where Jesse was like, if that's how I die, I so be it. I don't care.

Jesse's limit is human spirits. All right. He doesn't want to go to the extra step. But the extra step. You don't know what kind of tricks demons know, dude. You don't know what you're going to get a wily bunch wild. They're just like boxes and chocolates. You don't know what you're going to get a wily bunch.

Let's just do a little bit of a palette cleanser, nice short little ghost sighting here. And then we're going to go into my doppelganger experience and we're going to let Jesse read down. What? Okay. So first, this is just called a ghost sighting by Toto Gile. Love the name. I do too. We have the best user names, right?

It's super good. So this happened when I was 10 years old. We had just recently moved into a new to us house in a rural area near Syracuse, New York. The house itself was around 150 years old and had been in the previous owners family for generations. In fact, the guy who sold it to us was born in the living room before our very eyes and grew into a man in a suit. Benjamin Button. He was here. One night I woke up hearing light scratching on the other side of my room.

The house was old and had plenty of mice and this wasn't the first time I had them in my room. I would usually just toss something from my nightstand into the corner. The sounds were coming from to scare them away and get some peace and quiet. I set up partially to get a better sense of where the sound was coming from. And that's when I saw it. A young girl in a nightgown, translucent and partially glowing standing in the corner of my room, looking out my window down at the yard. All right, girl in a nightgown, 10 years old, glowing sounds kind of stereotypical, but we'll go with it. I made a small scared welp like a puppy and she turned to look at me.

The side of her face that had been turned away from me was now in full view and her eye was missing. Oh, and there was blood all down that half of her face and on her nightgown. She looked at me for only a second or two and then she vanished. Like the sixth sense, right? That's very sixth sense as you see him and just like bleh. My mom assured me the next morning that I'd probably just woken up from a nightmare. It was still partially dreaming, which is reasonable. I've done we I've seen weird shit like that.

That took me a minute to just to wake up. That was the story she stuck to every time I brought her down until dot dot dot years later. And in a new house, I was telling the story at dinner when I had finished. My mom said, I believe you're 10 year old self. I didn't want to tell you guys anything because I didn't want you to be scared. But I totally think that house is haunted. She told us how of how she used to hold my two year old sister in her room, which had originally been part of my room years before being split into two.

My sister would rest her head on my mom's shoulders in such a way that she'd be looking behind my mom's back. And while in this position, she would often ask, who's that mommy? Oh, God. Oh, that's like a genuine good horror story. I don't know. Scary stories to tell in the dark, right? That's a good little like get under your seat. I do.

I do have a question just in general for all ghost sighties. Even my mother, who is convinced in college, she saw a ghost. Uh, she too. Everyone had that like the woman in a nightgown. Right. And it feels very alien and silver saucer. And they're great like that. Don't cultural ethos where everyone sort of experiences.

But maybe it's an ethos for a reason because people are seeing it regularly. So it's okay. Okay. But that pop culture. But then this is my question. Unleash the dragon. When you, that's fine. That's fine.

And UFOs. You don't understand. I've been reading. If we're, if we're going to go, if we're going to go one level, let's take it to the next level. If the ghosts are real and it isn't just like subconscious pop, cultural stuff. Hmm. Why are they all wearing nightgowns? Why aren't they're naked ass ghosts?

Why aren't their ghosts in, you know, like almost all women ghosts are in flowing white, white gowns. Or in they have a lot of like dresses, Victorian. Most people die in the hospital. That's also true. You know, Mr. Burns, but there's tons of stories about home hauntings and then why they're acceptable. But then why at home is that like, why would they, they're going to go home? Why wouldn't they be in the dress they wore before they left? I don't know.

I have questions about the afterlife. Oh, I'm a little upside. Keep in mind, we're only hearing the stories of people who, who come out and tell them. And they're almost always in old homes and things that like terrible things have happened. We're in the, in the wash of hundreds of thousands of millions of people. We get like one or two stories. Yeah. Don't you know, I'm not convinced that Victorian people weren't all new to at home.

Didn't you know that in the 1890s, at least 90% of all homes had a sea captain and a bride? Damn it. Damn it. Thank you, Alex. Thank you for backing me up in the worst way to say you, you win. All right. So this next story, this is the story that I was when I was putting stories together. This one grabbed me and I was, I love this.

So I want Jesse to read it. Not because it's not disprovable, but because there's enough there. You want me to read the story from the dude from a Wanda with words in here that none of us can pronounce? Cool. I'll do it. I'll do it. You get to know my life.

All right. I got this. You've got this. I'm reading my life as a teenage Wiccan afterward. I will do this. My doppelganger experience from Kayton. Kay, Kay for short. I say Kay.

I don't know. I apologize. This story is huge and detailed. Also a note. Half of the story is from my mother. She's not a superstitious person, nor is she half. Arenti, arenti, arenti, I think so. I think it's aboriginal.

As I am. I think she had no idea what this was or what was going on, but it traumatized her. This story also has bits for my cousin, siblings, and my father as I've been consulting them and writing this. Damn. Oh, I like this already. Yeah.

That's okay. All right. There we go. This is what that first story should have done. Ask people about your house. Find out about the hammer man lady. Find out about the pictures of hammer man. Give me the leg, stroking woman.

I'm also really sorry this shit followed me for years and I'm kind of shaking about it still. I might use some weird phrasing or typo like mad. The whole thing was written actually pretty well. So you should be good. Anyway, I was born in Rwanda in 1991. As you can imagine, this ended badly for me and I was separated from my family.

Yeah, I was about to say 1991, not a great time to be in Rwanda. I spent a few months in a UN safe camp and was then flown to Australia once my birth mom came to live with the family of a volunteer pilot. I'd met in the camp who'd for some reason fallen in love with me and wanted to adopt. I took them, it took them a few years to adopt me, but it happened.

Haha. Happy ending. Okay. On topic, my native language in Kenya or Kenya Rwanda, we're going to butcher these names. Don't worry. It's not really that obscure, but it's not spoken in Australia. So I had a lot of trouble both sleeping due to reasons

communicating with my new family. I was the second oldest of four at the time to bio twins of my parents and another adopted older brother. We lived out in the middle of nowhere, Northern Territory, which as you can imagine is terrifying at night, but during the day, hey, mate, we had a blast. I uh, yeah, as a person who's been in Australia a few times, I get this love the editorial voice, right?

Yeah. Mum would let us out about 7am and from then on we play with the cousin who lived with our grandparents all day till lunch. Sometimes forget lunch and play till dinner. We spent all our time outside and we were all really close, but as I couldn't speak English only vaguely understand it at the time. The others often put me, the others often put me up to

proving I was brave by giving me weird challenges. Out back, our house round a kilometer and a half was a huge gnarled tree. It was the remnant of what was a gum forest a while back, but now is one of only a handful and there were sick dense brush around it with smaller trees making it rough going. We spent a lot of time playing hide and seek, building forts, you know, all that out there.

It was familiar ground. One day Jacob cousin challenged me to climb this tree as fast and as high as I could. Then he tried to match me. I was a big climber. So he counted down and waved me to start and a and off I went. I was to the top of that tree in a minute flat. Normally I'm very sure for the person and I've been climbing

since I was two. I assure you I'm not clumsy. I went to climb this tree. Maybe got one and a half to two meters up in a matter of one to three seconds and suddenly a hand grabbed my foot. Whoa. Now my cousin is kind of a prankster. We call him Japs Cobb because he never never chills.

I don't know like Jacob like Jacob like Japs Cub. Japs Cobb like Japs. Come like he's like Jacob, but he's like Japs Cub. I don't know. Is that like googling Japs Cobb gave me nothing. Yeah. Is that like a Leonardo DiCaprio from gave me Rhode Island interference of the executive in the affairs.

That's a huge Australian thing. I assume this was Jacob and I turned to look at him and make disproving sounds because I was a helpless mute, but it wasn't my cousin. It was a complete stranger. He was a grown man. Maybe 25 30 with sort of ratty hair like he'd been sleeping rough Apache beard and green eyes only his irises covered

his entire eye. There was no white part. It was all iris. What the fuck? Oh wait, just wait. Just wait. The worst bit though was that it was smiling wider than anyone can smile.

I'm not kidding. When I say this, it was some cartoon shit. It was fucking terrifying. What the all I remember is screaming and losing my grip on the tree and hitting the ground like when you hit a water belly flat. Yeah, I know that. All right.

I get that the wind out of you. Yeah. Completely winded me and I slowly passed out right at the foot of the tree. My cousin said he saw me grab my foot. Oh, he saw the man grab my foot. Wow, the cousin said he saw the man grab my foot and saw him yank me down.

Then they all ran to find me, but couldn't. What? Yeah. They searched for half a minute before the stereo took hold and all four of them ran home screaming their heads off that I've been kidnapped. Mom ushered them all in trying to get the story from them. Now, when I say we were in the middle of nowhere, I mean the

middle of fucking nowhere. The police station was an hour drive. We lived roundabouts between Marakai and whack whack. I don't know what that is. Shout out to Australia. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's about right. We had a full anti-venom kit.

We were so out in the middle of nowhere. Dad was working a deep sea fishing company in Darwin, so we only saw him on weekends when we could when the drive wasn't too much. Mom questioned them and say the kids were sobbing so hysterically she couldn't get much out of them, but that I was kidnapped. Then Sidon said, No, she wasn't. She's right there.

Sure enough, there I was sitting on the couch quietly. But the kids were sure they saw a stranger grab me. So now she thought there was some dangerous stranger out there. A rightful assumption from a mother from kids running in saying some random man grabbed your brother called the police. Yeah. What the fuck a long wait estimate. How did she get that loaded her gun?

And had the kids take her to where they last saw me to look for prints they wanted around about two minutes. She said before the twins started screaming their lungs off. Mom grabbed my hand and we trudged over to see. I can't stress this enough how serious she was telling me this to me to see me unconscious laying on the ground. Mom said to me she realized she wasn't holding my hand anymore and the other me was gone.

What the fuck? Cops came by they looked everywhere and said the only prints around were animals but caution mom that there was an unusual abundance of animal prints around and that we ought. Audent we oughtn't run unattended. Fair enough. I didn't speak English so I was you a useless witness and clearly wasn't kidnapped since I was sat right there with a head egg

for falling. They left and mom just counted lucky stars considering it done until it wasn't get out of town. Oh. Fast forward three years one day mom started realizing something might be wrong with me to begin with I had night terrors that sometimes became dangerous. I wake up on porch in the dark I'd fought a bed so hard the

house would shake and I had weird memory lapses at first it was small thing she noticed she tells me sometimes that a family picnic she'd make me up a plate to eat then turn back around and I'd be there waiting for my plate again. She tell me no to something and I would come back and ask exactly after and seem confused when she was frustrated. What the fuck I would tell her two different stories about something within minutes and seem entirely earnest about both

when I was eight she sent me to a therapist who told her I seemed fine. She then then she sent me to a general practitioner a GP a pediatrician specialist and neurologist in order convinced something was wrong with me every time they said I was fine and seemed absolutely fine considering my past after a while mom started feeling like she was breaking down. I won't get into the details of my mom's experience here

because frankly she was in actual distress and it's not even interesting to me I just feel guilty. Anyway after a while mom began to break down on her insistence something was wrong with me and began believing the absolute mad option there was two of me. She began to notice weird ticks one of me would have. She'd catch me staring at her sometimes like I was looking for something other times I'd hum an English song to myself even

though I shouldn't know the song she really started fraying one night mom put me in the bath and went to get my pajamas ready the fuck she turned around and there I was waiting to be dressed mom dressed me put me in bed and asked if I wanted some water. This is what she said oh boy I need a drink hold on oh boy. You looked at me and you said no thank you I'm fine. I have never ever in my entire life felt chills like that.

I knew she was coming from the mother's mouth right now yeah I knew she wasn't you and I got angry I'm not like that I don't shout at kids but I started screaming at it to get out. I started coming undone so I threw things at her and told her to get out of my house and never come back. It sat up in your bed and started smiling wider and wider and wider I couldn't believe anything could smile that big and it got up and walked out of the kitchen door into the

freezing night barefoot when your father came home a minute later I drug him upstairs screaming and crying. I asked him look in the bathroom when he said he did when he when he did he said that's K and I broke down K. I thought something was wrong with me for years and I was right I thought something is wrong for me for years and I was right okay there's other stuff there's other stuff there but that's what's relevant and not super personal anyway

things were quiet after that for six months nothing untoward happened it's I seem normal I was just learning to speak English practicing every night with her and memory lapses were gone things were fine. Then it came back oh my God this is fucking so creepy one night mom has all watching telly late on a Saturday and mom was in the kitchen near the den door at the kitchen island. This is all from us kids memory with details from her mind

you five of us experienced this in varying degrees dad come home and he let the dogs in us showing Shiba in afterwards and mom said she kissed him he went to get a drink. Then there was a scratching the door and mom got up to open it seeing Shiba on the porch I assume this is the dog. Dad says he almost shat his pants the dog they let in stood on two legs and straight up dog for oh my God it didn't shift at all it just started smiling wider and wider wider

than anything can smile month mom flipped we all remember she ran at it with her binder and started hitting it screaming for to get out it ran through the storm door ripped it right off the hinges mom broke down in front of all of us we moved two weeks later smart to say fuck and shit we moved all the way to south Melbourne mom got a lot better I don't remember the random crying episodes happening anymore or the time she's stared at the window at the tree line and wouldn't

respond to us calling her or screaming episodes she had when she woke up from nightmares you know she seemed she's been a lot better they've adopted a lot more kids dad's retired now and they're filthy rich so he does a lot of charity she works at a local agricultural education center teaching city farming and self-sufficiency she's really great hell yeah that's awesome I've been okay couple bouts with cancer Jesus but I'm in the U.S. now working my dream job in aerospace what

that's dope with two cats I adore a girlfriend and boyfriend hell you're living do you know do you know the lady who rubs legs translucent black dress do you know we get on real well we're living a dream as your local hybrid driving comp posters but this thing wasn't done I don't think it even it is even now two years ago my boyfriend was home from work for a day and he was making breakfast I walked out of the laundry room behind him he noticed I changed my shirt

so he asked didn't you like that shirt I said no and walked in the living room then walked in the kitchen door I tele-sized no way not a slash then I walked in the kitchen door because I'd taken out the trash Jesus my mom told me this story two days later in a ketchup call she broke down and told me about it when I mentioned I thought he was sleep deprived she told me the only way she got it to go was to demand it leave and that she had to be careful who she let in the house and what

from then on I checked with my father my cousin my siblings and me all I remember is being pulled down and falling and I'm experiencing a living hell for years I really feel bad about all this but I thought it was something's people would find I guess compelling in some sense right and this is also cathartic because I've really internalized this guilt Jesus who Lord I am yeah my absolute apologies for like trying to to get through that in the most like you know shout out to

two Australians and Australian slang that was like that was wild when I read it for the first time like Jesus this is this is just interesting and the details are so like some of that the details are so like specific it fits rewind like a year it fits skin walkers yeah like super hard yeah I we talked about that that to me is like kind of a movie yeah it's like it's like definitely like a horror like the stores the story structure is is a movie right I think that's why it's

like compelling I don't know you know I know nothing about any of this I imagine if there's any place was going to be horror it will be in Australia so that checks out but I feel like yeah the structural flow is inciting incident getting grabbed the leg creepy like smile man and then for the rest of your like the main story the movie is the mom protecting you and then when you think it's over and you're like oh I'm finally free you're not free that's like a movie and I man

that's creepy yeah like last 30 minutes of a peaceful life and just before credits you walk in with a different shirt walk out and then she walks in again eternity as a confused look credit hard cut credit yeah it's that's that story is yeah I don't mean I I clearly don't know that's like if we just go off off of our paranormal knowledge that we've talked about for whether you believe it or not it really does fit when we talked about skin walkers and feeding off

fear and staring and standing up on two legs just being a horrifying presence in your life but doppelgangers themselves is not something we've really covered yet because doppelgangers doesn't like nicely fit into like cryptids yeah we talked about it a little bit yeah yeah little bit we've we've dabbled in it but it really does doppelgangers one of the things that kind of has tentacles in all aspects of the paranormal yeah because of you know who knows you know what what is

actually like there's something like natural about it or something to be afraid of like an image of yourself you know what I mean like it seems very well that's operating without your input yeah it seems very like psychological or like mythical like it seems like something that's like inherently scary to people you know what I mean oh my god what is that movie to everyone out there it's on Netflix oh my god what is that there's a movie on Netflix I can't remember the

name of it right now I want to say it's like sexy model or like it has a weird name like maybe like streamers the whole premises it is a woman who is a like an adult what would you call it like a cam cam girl right yeah maybe that's the name of the movie but but the whole premise is it's it's this cam girl and she is she just you know desperately wants to be one of the big ones and she's she's very new but she's like trying new things and trying to be so she's dealing with her life as

like I'm trying to hide this from my family but also I want to be very very successful and she's very conflicted and she's you know struggling with it one day she goes to log in and she can't her password has been changed she's like what the hell but it says she's broadcasting so when she goes to look oh yeah broadcasting but it's not her I remember this person is person is not only getting views but is better at it than she ever was and so the whole story is her trying

to figure out what the hell is going on with this person who's impersonating her but is a better version of herself it's incredibly fascinating movie the ending I'm not going to spoil anything but like it's one of those things it's like the set up and the way it plays out is is fascinating cam so getting a peek into like a parallel universe is the movie named cam called cam okay cam I think it's on Netflix even though it deals with cam girl girls it's not about like it's just

it's not a lot of like doing it yeah but it's it's fascinating and I love the idea that it adds more to it than just like there's another person out there that is trying to be me but it's like who are you when the other person's a better version of yourself this is the idea of identity yeah dealing with that I think that's I think that's fascinating so definitely check that out that's a fun thing you get to struggle with in your late 20s into your 30s is identity who are you figure

it out it really well yeah gotta figure it out well I hope you enjoyed that story that was that was such a why joy yeah man I I am like I wish I had done better justice to like the scary flow but I was trying to like make sure I didn't screw it up no no I feel it scared the shit out of me I'm gonna think about that yeah no it's great days it's super creepy and my mind just keeps going to skin walkers cuz so much of it fits but the next story is from a user called

a sip at her HW it's titled my life as a teenage Wiccan I think they made a normal show based off of this story I think so too right yeah Sabina the teenage Wiccan Sabina so I've been debating about posting my experiences for a while and it's not something I talk about to really anyone in real life due to some embarrassment but figured this community would at least enjoy the story that being said I am about to talk about what I'm about to talk about is real and I'll

be doing my best to not embellish the story and just stay close to exactly what all happened I've never posted on Reddit before so apologies that the format ends up being terrible I got to the story so I'll tell you this the title is killer yeah right I love the title just to start things off my first paranormal experience before I get into the nitty gritty I just want to talk briefly about the first paranormal encounter I ever had I was young sometime before

I was 10 or so and was staying over at my aunt's they lived out in the country but down the street on the opposite side of the road right on a corner this was this old abandoned house I don't remember how long this house had been abandoned but I at least never remembered people living in it late at night all of a sudden we start hearing this music coming from outside curious what it was the people I was with two cousins and a brother went outside and

noticed it was piano music and where was it coming from none other than that abandoned house down the road I believe my and she says my memory isn't all that clear my older cousins got close to it and stopped and maybe even went into investigate only to find nothing there that's just that's our first experience have you ever I don't know about you but genuinely I in my neighborhood when I was a kid back when I could bike and walk around that we also had

not an abandoned house nearby hilariously enough that we'd attempt to poke in but get scared and run out of yeah nothing ever weird happened there but every neighborhood has one yeah like one abandoned yeah I'm pretty sure it was like an abandoned crack house the neighbors that used to live there remember them living there leaving and then being abandoned and falling apart over the course of years she's really I don't know there's something about urban

exploration that that's just fascinating dude but anyway can I can I name drop a YouTube channel real quick please been like so into them it just speaking of urban exploration and they just started doing a they just started doing like a horror thing themselves like a paranormal thing I think they just started doing it I might have just been watching reruns but the proper people really really similar they just go everywhere it's really exactly like that so

interesting abandoned stuff yeah cuz like it's like history was frozen and just kind of like left to watch yeah it's wild cool the beginning now we fast forward when I was 16 my family moved back to Ohio from Mississippi shout out to go to all but guys hey yo and yo and moved into my aunt and uncle's garage different op from the first story sometime while we were living in Mississippi my aunt befriended a person at work who we will call Victoria who considered

herself to be Wiccan but who had since actually moved away to Mississippi at the time of us moving back she will come into the story a little later due to my aunt being taken under her friend's wing she considered herself in tune with the supernatural world and knew about cleansing spirits my aunt's niece apparently started to have issues with what she believed to be evil spirits so what ended up happening my was my aunt breaks out the sage and packs us into the

car to go along with her all right sage trip boys and girls let's go my cousins my cousin brother and I after watching this cleanse felt inspired and so naturally we decided that we would start on the path to becoming paranormal investigate yeah man at least you had a cool reason to get into the paranormal I just started watching ghost shows like I wanted I just got mad at Zach Baggins listen Zach Baggins anger didn't come until my late teens this basement was pretty

old and complete with a coal shoot and a giant maybe five foot across hole filled with bricks basically if you want a good visual just think of some of the creepiest basements you've seen from movies and you'll probably get pretty close we end up going down to the basement and try to antagonize the ghosts which we would later find similar to that of none other than Zach Baggins it's like he's like a beetle juice you say his name and he just shows up in the story Zach

Baggins is that guy in high school who wanted to start fights but nobody would take him up with it so he just became a paranormal investigator to start those yeah fight me and you can't lose because they're you know in corporeal the setup we had was just a cheap video camera that we left down there and went upstairs we were all excited that we had picked up sounds that were ghosts walking on the stairs only for our parents to point out that it was just us walking up the

stairs fair point fair point then we move on to the Wiccan training and paranormal events and where that all begins sometime later after being interested in the paranormal or on her friend Victoria decide that we are important and should be trained yes my my odd has some kind of Wiccan books that we weren't allowed to read ourselves that she would teach us some kind of Wiccan books is like the name of an indie band some kind of Wiccan book we learned about

harnessing balls of energy straight up I had a book when I was 16 years old that I was learning about I don't know if any of you've heard of Seth and like the being from another round that would communicate through the astral plane you know Seth yes only to find out that you know most likely of that it's Seth is some weird spirit that would talk through an old couple it was yeah it's like he's a spirit guide personality type yeah exactly you know he elevates

you and he exists in a plane that we will reach after death but I'm ever trying to force balls of energy and try and do all that stuff as a kid too so I'm with you I was there it didn't work for me but I try anyway we started learning about harnessing balls of energy pagan gods each of our elements and what we're believed to be parts of our past lives apparently I have had several that ended early due to rash behavior so yeah me I guess great the paranormal

the paranormal stuff started to really ramp up at this point though since our first trip down to the basement we only started to get more and more brave with it it tended to be my aunt my cousin my brother and I each taking a corner in the basement and asking questions these would be simple questions to figure out who was down there what they want what they were there for what they wanted etc they would answer by tossing a pebble for yes or if no pebble was

tossed then it was well like they would and no pebbles no base or if no pebble was tossed then it was no okay I got you this did actually work as when we ask questions pebbles would be thrown and when we first started instead of corners we would all be in each other's view my cousin and I did suspect that my brother might have been the one tossing things as the event seemed to happen more often when he was around but that was never confirmed at the very least

they have that out there as it was never confirmed but hey it could have been yeah so seed of a seed of reality there during this time each person would during this time each person things would think that they saw that they would think that they saw things now thank you for that and everyone else one was apparently a World War two vet named cookie the rocks are to be believed name was gotten through trial and error of just asking what we should name it so might not be its

real name but it liked cookie so it accepted it okay can I call you cookie I'll Jesse seems really interested in the name cookie cookie cookies like to me it's like a like a murloc chef like a like a feisty assistant cookie it's a fun cookie and get over here cookie get me three lunches three lunches cooking now just as a quick aside as I just remembered it was my it was as I was typing my aunt was given that house after her parents moved out of it and back when

they were living in it they believe that a friendly spirit named Gretchen lived there cookie cookie was into which it's roommate yeah very similar and get them confused since my aunt was into wicca and believed her powers to be serious nobody was worried as from her own perspective quote nothing bad could be here as I do frequent clesings and only invite night spirits into my home unquote fair enough but then but then things began to ramp up eventually my cousin

brother and I decide to go down on our own when my aunt is gone and basically try to get more serious with it that's where you make mistakes when the when the student leaves the teacher and tries to do things in their own all an amazing movies teach you that's how things go back we make a circle around that hole that I mentioned earlier and try our normal tactics of talking to what was there here is when my brother was apparently shoved down from a sitting position and

overall we just felt not safe but not only in the basement but not in the house at all like some paranormal activity situation yeah well that's I guess you know if you want to look at from the paranormal aspect the aunt who's in control always cleanses always invites nice spirits and then the uneducated young startups are like fuck it let's just do it yeah and you could be opening the door to everything and saying just come on yeah just like the movie which is why

I keep Harold in the closet we could he has moved I did have him in my bookshelf I have moved him into the oh you moved I thought you meant like I was on his own no he didn't move there because the negative vibes even if he's not haunted the negative vibes you could potentially bring because I'm mentally attaching negative things to him with his back story still want to look at him so I appreciate that you know I just got to keep myself as safe as possible get that

okay so where I lost my place overall we felt not just safe but not only the house in the entire place we go we go out to the breezeway and wait for our aunt to come back and tell her what happened feeling bad energy my aunt of course breaks out the sage and goes through a cleansing my brother starts to be angry about what he thought was special treatment given to my cousin and I in the Wiccan lessons and just all around be an angry person when it came to that stuff sometimes

sometime later we go out to the garage with a friend and are trying to see if anything is there my brother and I both see and confirm with each other that we saw glowing red orb floating between the two of us shortly after my family finally moves out of staying with my cousin Q to several months later after when we we've moved out and who is coming up for a visit for Halloween none other than Victoria herself what would Halloween be if not a good time

for a ritual pre ritual we must wash ourselves thoroughly for whatever it's worth I could not quench my thirst probably unrelated but I mean maybe not I mean you know for journalism sake I appreciate just reporting on every aspect of the situation right you got to give every detail upon entering the garage which already has had black paper over all of its walls and windows and spooky decorations for the upcoming Halloween party and we are greeted with tons of candles

around the place but most importantly ones for each cardinal direction calling in this the guardian spirits of each this protection is because what is on the table as home you are in no good territory this is no way straight up like this is a bridge too far go in there and you got the guardian of the north and the guardian of the south and the east and the west to protect you from the demons that may greet us in the night of all

allows you and then you wonder why things go bad this protection is because what is on the table is a homemade spirit board created using runes and vigils that my aunt and Victoria used for protection or to call stuff more easily this is like getting that haunted package that you got with all those runes but instead of it being like Barbie dolls to Ouija board if that I would not you know how quickly I would throw that crap out so fast you don't burn Ouija

boards either just get rid of them I can't talk about much about the spirit board it did move but I mean maybe someone was pushing as you always suspect with those things this whole time I have been training to bring energy into my hands and I have it confirmed by Victoria that my output of of that energy is strong this ends this part of my life as I afterwards I lose interest and become embarrassed of the story and much more of a skeptic basically discounting

anything that happened to me up until that point but it moved but it moved she said it could be moved to somebody else and her aunt was telling her she was able to you know ball up energy commandment style which is what I was trying to do the whole reason I was trying to ball energy as a kid is because I also wanted to be a superset so it wasn't working out too well just never worked and I try to like throw energy and I'd be like oh the paper moved but it's probably because I just I

pushed really hard and air went cut to eight years later I have not heard from Victoria since that time and still have all almost not almost heard from her at all ten years later and probably never will even my aunt while still heavily believing a ghost stopped with the wick of stuff we're having a board game night at my cousin's garage and one of the newer friends I had I had made recently wanted to bring his friend who we shall call Sally I had met her a few times and she

was nice and we at one point had even discussed how she could see things and had been to a few exorcisms not performing not performing them herself as she doesn't believe herself to have that particular power or gift Jesse this whole time is just shaking his head cuz even if this is not real you don't do this 90% of what's happening now is like you're inviting disaster on your right you especially if you believe in this stuff don't you have somewhere in your like you

know I probably shouldn't bring the person who can see terrifying things but but what if she sees something what if you don't ever know what if you don't know that trigger just except Jesse that go through watching you poop and pee and just let it happen rather than knowing that okay you know you know if you were a ghost you'd be like they're all up there just poke my head through the door yes would you guys go to an exorcism if you were invited yes to witness one I would

I would not sounds like a giant waste of time sounds like someone acting like I would go and then I'm not talking I'm not talking like go to a megachurch exorcism talking like private I was sure of like like some little girl there were snacks you name the exorcism you name the place I'll be there I'll be there if there was like yeah someone brought finger I would pay to go I just don't bring an exorcism to live show will be trying to entertain people for for oh my

god that I'd be like you have some in the dark master sound like Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget all demons sound like Dr. Claw from how could you get it yeah that's actually excellent yeah it'll be great yeah you bring it you bring an exorcist and I will let the demon come out of me whoa that I've been keeping inside for so long would you believe well I don't know I here's the thing and this is I'm sure people everybody already knows by now I would want to believe I would desperately

want to believe but like unless an alien knocks on my door and he's holding up like a probe I can't fully believe that it's happened I haven't seen a UFO in the sky I literally every night when I go outside to relax I look to the sky if I relax I am by but I look to the sky and I constantly see like satellites like a star just going in a straight line or what you assume is like the ISS but I've never seen like a like a darting around UFO and I'm down like I want to see

I understand because it's all fake and demons greater the night sky to trick man what was that oh my god whoa as well stop it as well come down right now I won't do it Jesse see you get you get as real who's haunting Harold Harold he's haunted by who's haunting Harold no one you guys are stupid all right anyway, so she went to a few exercises and Harold besides like if the ghost was in there like that's not like a cute doll

name well I mean you know the doll comes from like the 40s and 50s it's like a common name but yeah but there's still not like dolls today that are named like Jeff the doll like you know what I mean like fair I don't know anyway anyway we digress she went to an exorcism she couldn't perform that she doesn't have her power the self but she still got she got brought along either way at some point in the night I catch a look that she gives my friend and that that shows

that she is not at all comfortable I didn't learn all what I'm about to say until a few years later she apparently saw some really messed up stuff there and went home she later asked my friend if someone had used a Ouija board there which at the time neither knew about the ritual before the friends didn't know about the ritual so she her asking is kind of out of the ordinary Sally ends up dating my cousin and of course upon learning that she has the special or curse

power depending on how you look at it he of course wants to bring her down to take a look at the basement when he tried to bring her down there within seconds she was immediately swamped with so much negative evil energy that she not only had to leave the basement she had to leave the house and would never return again lucky for my cousin they were already in the process of moving so it wasn't much of an issue she told the story that my cousin and her went out to a quote to a

quote haunted place and brought one of those static EVP or whatever they're called so there she could either be talking about one of two different tools one is your typical recorder that records white noise usually you want to and usually you want to know that's a spirit box so the thing I'm talking about is just a typical recorder that records white noise but usually you want to court record on a physical object not a digital because the physicals you're likely going to

get more as is a whole then she could be talking about the spirit box is what you're talking about which is like that it cycles through radio stations and picks up words and stuff like that could be that as well. Yeah. Math is death. So they had that whatever they're called and then they walked in and they heard some things on it and then apparently

things started swarming out of the trees and everything and noticed that she could apparently see them. Again, she's seeing this with her spirit vision or whatever. And upon realizing this, the EVP started saying over and over again, she can see us. She can see us. She can see us. So now it's clearly a spirit box. So that's creepy.

Since then, Sally swears that my cousin must have at some point tried to contact something much worse on his own. As I mentioned, I became a skeptic and still largely am one to this day. But listening to Shilluminati podcast got me interested in this stuff again. It is a lot harder to be a skeptic when you have a friend that you know for a fact isn't lying to you saying they can see this stuff. It would be rather rude of me to just straight up say to her face what you're seeing isn't real since I'm not the one seeing it.

I leave the paranormal stuff alone for the most part besides that in my discovering of this podcast. I wish I had had her some recordings and pictures to show of that time. And perhaps I might be able to get some from my cousin and I have an update. I tried to the best of my knowledge to recall everything accurately without any embellishment. As I said, I myself am a skeptic person. So if any commentators want to take a piece of the story, feel free. And if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask them as I'm sure I left out some stuff

and maybe didn't have a clear timeline of events or something. I hope at the very least that if anyone read this, you all enjoyed a part of my life part of my life story that I don't know if I will ever tell many people due to feeling some embarrassment about it. Again, though, this was given permission to read, so don't think that names were changed. Can I tell you just let you know how frightening this actually all is. Alex, not just five minutes ago, made a joke about naming a doll Jeff. Everyone should just take the time to go Google Jeff, the killer doll and just be aware.

Jeff, isn't G.E.O. or J.E. As in J.E.F.F. Oh, no. All as in the fact that there's Jeff, the killer. Oh, Jeff, the killer dolls. He's a creep. There you go. He's a creepypasta. Oh, good. Yep. Jeff, the killer is a creepypasta. Yeah. So Jeff, the killer doll is things that people are making.

So good times. Alex, you were wrong. People love making dolls named Jeff that are crazy. I think I was so right. It's crazy that it's like the least cute doll that there is. Yeah. So there you go. It is. It's pretty. I never want to see that doll ever again. Going back to this story, like.

It's to me is a cautionary tale of just stop messing with things that you're like, oh, well, we just figured we do it on our own. Like, no. Yeah, no. Have parental guidance suggestions like Wicca, parental guidance suggested, is what I should say. Because even if even if none of it's real, right, you're still kind of going in with this thought of like things could potentially go wrong. You're messing with things you don't fully understand.

And your brain can do a lot of funky things if you convince it enough. Sure, that can be dangerous. It's wild. But that's that's our Halloween stories for this year, everybody. Love to see. There's some frigging good ones. This is like a home run episode of really good. I hope this keeps a few of you up at night is what I hope. I hope a few of you are just scared.

I'm definitely going to be thinking about that body snatcher story again. That shit is one is the creme de la creme of creepy shit. Oh, man, because if they cleared it with all their family and this is like a six person person account, like people saw this stuff. What do you do? I just think I just think the. The way it was sold because it was like and then the smile got wider and wider like that. That's a good like that's a good story, like well written creep story.

Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like the baby looking over the shoulder and asking what that is. Mommy, too. That's a creepy one. That was such a greatly put like a short, perfect campfire. Yeah, campfire. Good night story where the horror is never really seen except for, I guess, the boy saw the eye missing stuff. I don't like the idea of walking into a place and it's like, oh, well,

it's set up for Halloween, but also witchcraft. You know, like that either. We got to do it. We got to do some kind of seance or ceremony ritual. Here's the thing. I I would not like. I feel like in order for someone to truly be in the moment of that, you have to believe I'd poo poo on all bagging style.

Would you witness it? I'd witness it. I'd actually be like, there's a ghost here. Would you do a lot? Madison, the dick. No, don't. No, don't have a punch me. I'd be like, I'm sick.

Ghost. Would you do like a science based equipment? The ghost equipment lock? Sure. But but it would have to be science based equipment. And most ghost hunting equipment's like. We would just the bear audio video. Audio video and maybe some heat, some heat. I want to do the connect thing where the where the. Oh, where the body?

Like around the track. I want that. Yeah, yeah. Let's do that. No, but we only need like, like three or four audio recorders, three or four cameras for key spots. And like, that's really I would just do. I would love to do like a Ouija board thing where I don't. I don't want.

I'm not real. I'm in there. Sold at toy stores. It's not a real matter. It's very much matter. Mass marketed for money. Does it make it not dangerous? With poison, Jesse?

Think about it. I clean my floor with poison. The board is made by what company? Mattel, I'm pretty sure. Mattel, Mattel, you telling me? Oh, my God. Is that started? Reverse it.

And then what does it say? Oh, let him let him let him go. Let him go. Let him go. Let him go. It's bad, bad stuff. Follow the follow the trail, guys. Follow the Halloween.

Also, wait, is it is it five days from now? You guys are going to come see us in Boston. Is that what's up? Five. It's Illuminati pod.com is where you bought your tickets, right? That's good. Just five days. You guys are going to come hang out with us.

Disconfirming. Love to see it. Live show, beers, seven. Oh, no, it is actually Hasbro. It's Hasbro. OK, I thought it was Michelle for some reason. Here's the thing. The new the new ones they sell now come in like creepy boxes.

Oh, yeah. OK. But if you look at Hasbro backwards, that's Orba. Also, that's what you see. If you see it floating by you. Yeah. Also, shut up, everyone. This is how you know this is all fake. There is a stranger things which you bought. Stranger things branded.

Is it like Christmas lights? Yes, capitalism, baby. That's what this is. That's the most amount of all and that's the one that's going to like summon like some like the ghost of those crawls out of the board. Where did we just boards come from? Let's see. We do board itself was created and named in Baltimore, Maryland, 1890.

But the use of talking boards was so common in 1886 that news reported the phenomenon taking over the spiritualist camps in Ohio. So it's like a standardized of like a just like a spiritualist camps in Ohio. My home got nothing to do out there. Yeah, that's really true. They they was either drinking or eating or spiritual camps. Those are the only options. I feel good. Yeah, it was created in 1890.

It's a non thing. But I love that people are like opens gateways to hell. I'm like, all right. So what ended up happening was in 1890. So it was created initially as a talking board in in the 1800s and 1890. Businessman Elijah Bond patented the plan chat specifically. And then he sold it with the board and that's what became what is being sold. So it's technically the bland the plan.

Chet, the little Elijah Bond and his family get money from the recent movie Ouija origin of evil. That's very that's an interesting question. I do not know. But they received the patent back then. And in 1901, Ford started production of his own board under the name Ouija, which was another person. So yeah, late in the late 1890s, early 1900s, they were so popular.

People like, let's just make some money, patent the plan chat, patent the board, sell some things. But now in the Midwest is where it originated, you know it. Good times. Well, happy Halloween, everybody. We hope to see you in five days. October 30th. Chilubanadepod.com be there be square person.

Hell, yeah, we love you guys very much in the next episode. After this is the wrap up of the three baby. And then after this, I think I think Alec, it's about an Alex. It's about Alex time again. I'll make that I'll make Alex time bullshit for you guys to listen to. You know, the thing is, you don't make it up. You find weird shit online that is like buried. I'll find I'll find something that's worth talking about for an hour.

Even even for Jesse. You always do. I'll my goal is to never waste Jesse's time. So hopefully, hopefully I don't do that too much. What would you think about those stairs? That's the goal. What do you think about the staircase? What staircase?

What the special miracle staircase that was built by a by a carpenter? The episode we did like two episodes ago. The spiral staircase. Yeah, that was God's stairs. I think so. It was like by the time we were done, I was like, oh, it's just there. I forgot it even happened. I was like, yeah, they just made stairs last episode.

You did and WK. That's the only the WK was the only one that was like, this is real. Yeah. The WK, when we still get people, Andrew WK, we still get people talking about constantly. I just think he's a weird dude. But like, I also like that it that's like, wow, he's really goes so. Yeah, no, it's wild.

I'm yeah, I'm going to I'm going to find something equally deep. I I'm going to I'm going to open. I don't believe that I don't. I need to. You will. But watch me. I need to take a break from reading about serial killers. So watch me. Do anything. Watch me. Thank you guys so much for listening.

I love this fucking show. We'll see you guys in five days at Boston. Jesse Alex, as always, thanks for watching. And thanks for being a part of this, not watching as always. You enjoyed it. Go to review us on iTunes or wherever you go. I don't know what you're doing with your tongues. You guys can't see it, but they're just doing weird sexual tongue motions

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we'll do this type of episode more often because it's super easy and it's super fun. Yeah, this is such like a fun, easy way to kind of really. Yeah, I really enjoy just getting the story. So it's completely selfish enterprise for me. But I would love to do more. So yeah, so write your stories. We're looking for more. Yes, we are doing ideally if we can get there one or two,

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