Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 365: Bill Cooper Part 1

Episode Date: September 6, 2026

Mathas takes Alex and Jesse on a journey through the dumbest ideas in the world to the birthplace of modern conspiracy theories in America, Bill Cooper’s infamous book, Behold a Pale Horse.CHILLUMINATI is a weekly comedy podcast hosted by Mike Martin, Jesse Cox and Alex Faciane. Hold on to your tin-foil hats and traverse the realms of the mysterious, supernatural, spooky and sometimes truly horrible - and your third eye will never be the same!Subscribe to our Patreon to support us and for extra content like full video episodes, weekly Minisodes, exclusive art, and more at http://patreon.com/CHILLUMINATIPODThank you to our sponsors:FACTOR: Head to www.factormeals.com/chill50off and use code chill50off to get 50 percent off and 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year, while supplies last until 10/31/2026.OFFICIAL MERCH: https://theyetee.com/chilluminatiMike Martin - http://www.youtube.com/@themoleculemindset Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - https://www.youtube.com/@StarWarsOldCanonBookClub/Editor: DeanCutty Producer: Hilde @ https://bsky.app/profile/heksen.bsky.social Show Art: Studio Melectro @ http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro Logo Design: Shawn JPB @ https://twitter.com/JetpackBragginEpisode SourcesBehold The Pale Horse by Bill Cooper Pale Horse Rider by Mark Jacobson

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Chulamini podcast. Episode 365 is always, I'm one of your host, Mike Martin, joined today by a single L.A. boy, Alex Fasiani, and a currently temporary European boy, Jesse Cox. Oh, it's Guten Tag. Oh, my friend. You sound great. I mean, you said, like, you good German? Is that where you are? Are you in Germany?

Yeah, Das is Gute. He's gutting up. He's gooting up out in Germany over there. He's gutting everywhere. Are you the laptop thief? Is that what's going on out there? Are you the international laptop thief? The Norwegian king also died, so I may be responsible for all sorts of things.

Who knows? Oh, man. He was such a nice king. He was a good guy. Yeah. My bad. A good and friendly king. Welcome back to the show, everybody.

I'm excited for today's topic. Before we jump into it, though, I just want to say, thank you everybody who came to the live show. If you were there, it was an awesome time. I had a great time there. And while we missed you last week, Jesse. Thank you to Kevin for fill in. He did a great job. It was great to have him on and talk about Polybius last week. I'm jealous. It sounded great. I would have loved to have been there for that.

It's right. You are, you are back for an episode. You are going to be sorry. You have returned for. It's all I'm going to say. It's a part one. It's insane. I have no good way for you to segue Alex to Patreon. Patreon.com. Boy, what a live send. Here's, here's just, just, give you guys an idea of what it's like to be an LA boy right now. Everything that I used to do to get my life going, like the way that I expected to go. And I'm not talking about a lavish lifestyle. I'm talking about going out and having dinner every once in a while, paying my rent, paying my bills, rectifying my mistakes of my 20s. If I didn't have Patreon, we would be so bodied by that, that it would be crazy. And Patreon, it's funny because we don't never charge anymore for our

Patreon, even though every other business in the world does. And so as life goes on, not only do people not have enough money to pay for Patreon that they have been paying before, but, you know, the number of total people subscribing to Patreon goes down in these tough times. So please, if you have it in yourself, if you are working and you're thinking to yourself, I'm an engineer, I've got some disposable income. I listen to this show every single week. I love the hilarious yet extremely well-researched episodes of almost television that these almost human boys give us each week. So close to television. So close to human.

So close to human. Yeah. Yeah. Then just add over to patreon.com slash chlamanani pod because it's a good, honest way for us to make money. That's what I like about it. I like not having to sell out to anybody except the people who like the show. And that's exactly who everybody should be selling out for.

So Patreon.com slash chimony pod. Get a mini-soed every time you listen to a regular episode. And they're not many. Like a lot of the times they're close in length to the episode that you're already listening to. And you're like, I'm addicted to listening to this. I have a parissocial relationship with these three subhuman podcasters. I got to extend that time that I spend with them each week.

It's the perfect thing to do to go to Patreon, sign up. Because not only do you get one with every episode that we put out, is a million, be a trillion that we haven't put out yet. Though that number does seem to be shrinking a little bit these days. But, but, but, uh, we still about three months ahead. Yeah, yeah.

We're still, we're still well, well ahead of the, of the upload schedule. So please, come support us, get something nice in return and, uh,

you know, tick one off on your box of punk rock activities that you can do that don't directly fund a corporation. Think about that. Yeah. Right now you could be looking at the video version of this. Jesse, or I stare directly down at you like some sort of God. Jesse's looking at us like he ordered us to do, like he ordered something for us to do for him on

a camera. Give me pictures of Spider-Man. Yeah. Give me a picture of Spider-Man's feet in a bathtub eating some kind of, some kind of gel. Pose like they're all in that one image. I would like you naked, but like his feet are out. It's kind of sexy, but like a little worry. I've never considered that Spider-Man and Geryl are so similarly memes now.

Yeah. I guess it's true. Anyway, that's small potatoes. Let's get back to the big potatoes. Yeah, speaking of a not good and honest man, today is part one of a two-parter on an individual. I have been putting together episodes for for way too long at this point. And I apologize for episode one in particular because the book it is based on this man's

own book is a God damn mess. Because today we're talking about none other than some call the grandfather of conspiracy itself. Bill Cooper. The grandfather of conspiracy himself. Some people really put him at the top when it comes to a lot of where certain conspiracy theories, especially really, really bad ones originate from. And it is from, I hesitate to call the one source we're using for today,

behold a pale horse by Bill Cooper himself, which is, at best, can be described as a bunch of photocopied government documents with a madman's ramblings notated throughout. that is what this book is. If I open up to any page right now, yep, there's like some government documents there with some notation. Are they legible? The government documents, some of them are. Not a lot, not all of them are.

Okay. So this is like, Can I say I realize, I don't know the name of this person, but I realized I recognized the book. Oh yeah. Because this is some Alex Jones shit. Oh, yes.

This man, that's why this episode is basically his book. Next episode is a phenomenal going to be breakdown of who this man actually was with the book called Pale Horse Rider, which is a deep dive into who Bill Cooper was, not who he purported to be. And we'll be really looking at why he kind of went down the road he did. But today is the world according to Bill Cooper. So this is like chef's table where we go to like a master chef and we learn how they do it. And then we learn for ourselves how to properly read and understand. understand the Epstein files. Is that right?

Sure. Yeah. Uh-huh. Like he's like, he like did the Epstein files reading style. The, the style of research that people on the internet do for the, for the Epstein files. He's just, he's just pioneered that. He's, he's just, dude, there's a, we'll get into it. There's a quote relatively early on. Then I'm like, oh, okay, that's like every, uh, conservative now. So let me open up with this. And I looked and behold a pale whole, course. And his name that sat on him was death and hell followed with him. Right out of Revelation's chapter 6 verse 8 out of the King James version of the Bible. The real version of the Bible.

The newest and best version. Yeah, exactly. With the most patches added. The most patches added. The most stable version of the Bible. The most. Oh, yes, yes, yes. There's like over 200 versions of the Bible. Did you know that alone? That alone is like a Chaluminati. Like if we just took all the different versions of the Bible and did some sort of like Pacino style flowchart of all the things that they say happened and like take certain Bibles out of the race and stuff like that. I would love to watch that. It'd be fun. That's the whole quote this book title is based on. And to kind of paint a scene for you, I'm going to put you in 1989 briefly. I want you to put yourself in a hotel conference room. in the American West.

You know, we got folding chairs out there. You put yourself in that kind of area, the standing room. And the man at the front of the room walks in. And this guy only has one leg. So how did he do that? He limped. He gives him with a game.

And he tells you the other leg was not lost in an accident. But as he sits down, he tells you that the leg he lost was actually taken from him by the United States government. It wasn't lost. It was taken. taken by the U.S. government. He was a naval intelligence officer,

and he says he briefed an admiral every morning for two years on all kinds of shit. And then he dims the lights after he kind of gives you ominous teases about what he did in the government, and he plays a film. It's 26 seconds long. Dallas, and you've all seen it. It's the fucking motorcade.

He plays the Zepruder film? He plays the Zeprude film. He runs it, and then he runs it again. And then he runs it a third time. The one that was filmed by Abraham Zepruder? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The like family man who has nothing to do with this guy or the government? He's running the film over and over.

And then he, on like the fourth or fifth time, he slows it down and plays it again. And he says, everybody watched the driver. Don't watch the president. Don't watch the grassy knoll. Watch the driver and watch his hand. And then, you know, two people lean in and they watch with this folding chair. And he starts pointing out that the driver did it. The driver's the one that did it.

And then he goes into this grand conspiracy as to why the driver. did this in a nutshell is this related to the the leg all of it is related to bill cooper which we'll we'll get into and death it's not part of the same yarn no the leg loss is something he opens with the leg's like you might be wondering about how i lost this leg i gave it to the government anyway government took it yeah exactly like government took it moving on sitting there like what is he talking about oh shit there's a brooder film yeah that but that's that's that's bill cooper that's sorry i should call him by his proper name that's milton William Cooper.

And the book he put out in 1991 is Behold a Pale Horse. And that book has never gone out of print. And it has sold something on the order of 300,000 copies. So it's not like a huge seller. Okay. But for what it is, that might as well be every single person who's like this has a copy. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

That's actually pretty good for a book about this. I don't have a copy of this. this for the record. Mathis is the guy like this in our group. Unfortunately, I have the book, but it's not for reasons that other people might have this book. You know, this is like, like to read it. Yeah. So not to read it in a way that I believe what he's saying. Okay. Um, to Alex's point earlier to Alex Jones, like this is, this is the kind of book that you would see in the personal libraries of some of the worst people this country has. Like it's, it's in there.

It's not worth reading if you care for your own sanity. Um, but it's also, I've been found quoted in a bunch of, like, hip hop records and has been passed around hand-to-head in prison a lot. Like prison, it's like a big book to read while you're in prison. And that does make sense with the psychology of why people, remember we talked about this before, that the reason people believe in, you know, that kind of stuff is because it's about to take back power and control. And if you're in prison, you have none of those things. So being able to live in that fantasy helps. You just want to feel like you've got something on the world around you.

Like, you know, I don't know. We talked about it even on the GTA episode the other day. Like, part of the reason why people look for this stuff is not because the same reason you become a scientist, right? Like, it's not like you find that you have a wonder, like a sense of wonder about something that's out there that you want to understand. And you follow it and you like look to every expert. on the road to getting there and learn everything you can. It's like, it's like deciding to be like a,

like a, like a van life person or something. Like you're kind of like, it's kind of like, or like changing your hair after a relationship. You're kind of like doing something for your identity's sake. Yeah. Changing what your vibe is so that you say,

you know, it's like the so facets that are like, I don't actually play by those rules. So, What is that word anonymity? Anonymity? No. M. Aminomity?

Ananomity? I can't remember what it is. I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to do. It means like not being a part of the world. Hold on. I, well,

it's not anonymous. It's not anonymous, but it's animonious. Animonious. That, is that even a word? I don't know. I'm like, are we making a word?

You going animonies like you knew I was nodding along so I didn't feel like the odd one out. Aminony. I can't. Okay. Somebody, somebody will know. Emininity? Aminity? Could be.

It's not anonymity, right? It's not being anonymous. No, it's anonymous, but it's the act of being anonymous. Your anonymity. No, no. It's like aminous. Aminous. And we move on.

We got to move on. The point is, the point is you remove yourself. The point is not that you become. Hey, everyone over on Patreon. Thanks so much. The point is not that you become... You can tell we need it. The point is not that you become anonymous.

The point is that you like remove yourself from the system. It's like going off the grid. It's like going off the grid. It's like you're going off the grid of like society more than, then there's a, I think there's a big difference between off grid and sovereign sit though, because those people stay on the grid. They just pretend it doesn't apply to them. They just announced that they're not. Which is like... Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Off grid people, they vanish. And you know what? Bless them. Sometimes I feel like that's the giant man. Seriously, there's a version of myself that goes away in the woods and never comes back. Have you ever seen the snook in the SNS episode of South Park?

No. Yes. So it's this whole thing where there's a snook and Hillary Clinton's sniz or whatever. And they're like the government's like chasing the boys down and all this shit. And they're like kind of like doing it too. They're like going, oh my God, there's a snook in a sniz. And then like a van rolls up and the door opens and it's like a bunch of guys with guns and cartman's there. And they're like, all right, get in the car with us.

And he's like, actually guys, I'm not playing anymore. So like I feel like people who like take this left turn to like become a serious conspiracy theorist just decide like, I'm letting go. I'm letting go of the real of the real stuff. I'm just letting I'm just going. Definitely Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper decided. you know what, I'm living in this world now. To his own detriment.

Because like with any conspiracy, you can find, and you can cherry pick certain things that are said in documents to fit your narrative. And that's very much who Bill Cooper is. So let me set up real quickly because the rules for tonight in part one, we are basically living inside the book for part one, looking at the world the way Bill Cooper saw it. And I'm just going to say right up front, like we're looking at the way he did,

which means I'm not going to stop every four sentences. just say the words allegedly all the time. This whole episode is allegedly, just stamped on top of it. He doesn't do that. But unless you say it, it did happen. Yeah, well, that's the problem. I'm afraid for the- Later in this episode, when everyone has forgotten that it's allegedly.

That's what I'm worried about, people who've already forgotten or two hours in or whatever, or the people who skip past this part and are-clipping. Oh, yeah, they were just talking about what word we're trying to figure out, and they were like, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip, skip, aren't this thing's fine. Yeah. Sin. Don't listen to him. He's crazy.

He can't speak. He's stupid. He's not a resource anymore. I knew this is just like when how Jordan got racist. Thank you so much to Factor for sponsoring today's episode. Let me describe my old dinner quote unquote plan to you. It was to stand in front of the open fridge at 9 p.m. stare into it like it owes me money, decide that it's too hard and end up eating cereal over the sink.

There's a whole system. And now that the last few chaotic months are finally leveling out, the one thing that didn't slow down is everything I'm responsible for, so figure out dinner from scratch keeps losing in the list of my priorities. That's where Factor quietly fixed things for me. Chef crafted, dietitian designed, ready to eat meals, so I'm not stuck choosing between eating raw food and eating something fast. A couple things that actually matter here. Factor meals are ready in two minutes. No prep, no cleanup. So even on the days, my schedule is completely out of control.

Eating well is still on the table. And every meal's built around over 175 band ingredients designed around what supports a healthier lifestyle and nothing that doesn't. And on top of that, there's over 100 nutrient dense items every week with new stuff rolling in like salmon burgers, shredded pork and collard greens, plus add-ons you'll actually crave like pumpkin-flavored cheesecake and protein shakes. And 97% of users agree that factor meals help them live a healthier life. So with every meal, you know you're doing something good for yourself.

For me, the wind is honestly just not having to think about it. I've been using a handful of meals on repeat ever since. One of my favorite ones is the charred corn cavatopi pasta. And having it ready to go means eating healthy. Stop being a daily fight for me. So you know, I use Factor and you should too. Let's eat real. Head to FactorMeals.com slash chill 50 off and use code chill 50 off to get 50% off

and one free breakfast item per box for one year while supplies last until October 31st, 2026. That's code chill 50 off or FactorMeals.com. Chill 50 off at FactorMeals.com. Thank you again, Factor for sponsoring today's episode. So I'm not going to step out and fucking wink at you every goddamn fucking few pages. That's just not how this is going to go. And like I said, next week in part two, we're going to go deep into Bill Cooper actually was and really kind of tear him apart. Every conspiracy theory that matters becomes big news and takes over the world.

Everyone that's true. Look at this shit. I'm just saying everyone that's true takes over and becomes part of the thing. If you say it a thousand, thousand times and nothing ever happens and nobody believes you, not even anybody else who's not in power, you might be wrong. Think about it.

I'm thinking about it and we're moving on. This is also, so with Behold a Pale Horse, Bill had a single motto, and it was something he repeated endlessly, and this goes back to, I think he's one of the original, like,

thought forms of this idea. The thing he would recite back to him would be, read everything, listen to everybody, believe nothing until you can prove it with your own research. That's the worst. It's literally like the opposite of science. Like it's literally like everything that we know about accruing knowledge like within our own lifetimes depends on other people. And they're like, or just decide you're right.

It's in theory it's not wrong. The idea that you should do your own investigations into topics. But the reality is it requires a level of education for most people to understand results and understand research and understand how to do those things. So the idea that a layman could go in and replicate and do the same thing a scientist could do at the same level is impossible. But sure, man. What it does is it gives license to idiots to be like, I, too research. But then say you get past that hump there. There's the other hump people don't know how to get past,

which is looking and doing research, but defining the research that counteracts what you think is true, and then just trying to like sift through and looking for the only bits that reinforce it, not taking the evidence as a whole and just cherry picking. And that's something again, Bill Cooper was very, very, very good at. It was Antimmy, by the way.

Just so you guys know. Excellent. Awesome. I don't know. I've never heard that word, Antenemy. So I'm sorry. Antenemy? Never heard of it.

It is real. We got, don't know that. He's really heard of it. Bill Cooper was born in 1943 in Long Beach, California, into an Air Force family. Bill, because his dad was a pilot, Bill grew up on bases, and he spent a chunk of his childhood in Japan. And the way he tells it, the thing you did as a kid on an Air Force base was sit at the edge of the room while the men drank and talked.

And what the men talked about in the years right after the war of World War II, was the things that they had seen in the air that they could not explain. Things like Little Balls of Light that they had that paced the bombers over Germany and over the Pacific, that the crews called foo fighters, which is actually very true. And then after the war, the discs, pilots who had chased something at 400 miles an hour and watched it pull away like they were parked cars, men who had been debriefed and told to forget it and had not forgotten it, and would only talk about it after like a few drinks in around the table.

So, and I believe this part of Bill. I truly, like his family was Air Force. I can imagine, especially after World War II, they probably saw a lot of shit in the sky. I'm not even in the Air Force. I don't have any family that was in the Air Force. And even I just, if I hang around like four guys that were in the Air Force at one time, it's like the third thing they talk about is like the secrets.

Yeah, exactly. The shit that they've seen. So think about this, like by the time Bill is like 10 years old, he's been sitting around and like taking all this. in that most Americans wouldn't be allowed to even listen in on for another like 40 years before our first kind of proper public research stuff started coming out about these kinds of things. In 1961, he joined the Air Force himself.

Strategic Air Command, we're talking about flying bombers, nuclear bombers in the years when we kept them in the air around the clock so that there would always be a few up there if the Soviets tried something. And he says that in the Air Force, he heard the same stories again from a. new generation of pilots and that by then he understood that inside the service the stories had a different name which was reports quote and quote then he went to the navy and the navy is where his life kind of takes a turn in 1966 bill was a crewman on a diesel submarine called the usss tieroo in the pacific and one day while he was topside on lookout duty on the surface he watched

something come up out of the ocean he describes it as a disc metallic looking and he does not describe the thing as little in any way. He describes it as being about the size of an aircraft carrier. What? Yeah. That's so big. Was it daytime? I know.

I believe so. Yeah. And he was somewhere on the planet where people live ostensibly. Like on shore leave briefly out of his submarine. On a base or in a town somewhere. Or near, yeah, exactly. Near where you would kind of go out there. He said it rose out of the water, hung in the air,

tilted a bit and then went back down into the sea. And it came up. This was before the invention of cameras, right? Yeah, 1960s notoriously prior to cameras. Yeah, my bad. But I just am curious. So how close was he to it? Close enough.

He doesn't give specifics as to how. A levitating aircraft carry of that size. I will say, I will say. And certainly there was a phantom island. There was a phantom island. There was a phantom island. island off the coast of Canada the other day and it didn't cause it did it did make global headlines but it didn't cause that big of a stir well he said he's great well maybe it could

maybe maybe maybe it's a tied thing right like because he said this thing came up went back down and then it came up and went down one more time uh and then it kind of like sat under the water while he watched um and so he says like the thing that like he said i know whoa whoa whoa i'm just trying to imagine if you took an aircraft carrier and you lifted it up out of the water and then then he put it back in the water and then you lifted it up the there certainly would be waves everyone would be around everybody but okay but to the point of UFOs that's something that we know even now with the footage is that when it goes into water doesn't ever create surface super good at not seamlessly in and out of water like air so if so he's saying that it went like

It came up, down, up, down. It didn't rise. No, no, no, he says rise. It came up out of the water, tilted, went back down to the water, rose up again one more time, and then rose back down and kind of sat under the surface and then went down. Guys, I think this dude might be full of shit. Well, he says other people saw it too, Jesse. He says the officer and the deck saw it and a couple other men and that the captain was called

up and that afterward, every man who had seen it was brought in and told that. the event was classified and that they were never to speak of it and that they signed paperwork to something of that effect. Anyway, I'm speaking about it now. 1991, 30 years later, Bill says he signed it and he says in that moment, the two halves of his childhood clicked together. The men at the kitchen table hadn't been drunk. They'd been under orders.

And that's why they couldn't talk about them. They had to get drinks in them to be able to talk about it because they'd signed themselves to secrecy. and now he has done just the same. So he figured out alcohol gets you drunk too. Again, a lot of things he's going to say. Going to be hard to understand the logic. I mean, I understand it.

It's like me. It sounds like Terrence Howard telling me about math, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which he's not let go up. Well, you mean, man, two plus two equals five if you think about it. One plus one, it's, what is it? No, it's, it's one plus one equals zero, I think is what is the. Is that what it is?

I can't remember. I don't read. listened to his rant one time there's a he's it's not like a rant it's like his beliefs like to this day you can find pictures of him on instagram wearing like weird alternate math equation shirts that guy could have been get out of here smitty does not like math either it's not like all right there he could that's exactly how most people talk about that guy so after he served some time on the submarine he finds himself in vietnam he's bill says while he was on Vietnam. He was on a on a river patrol boat and little fiber these things were little fiberglass

boats with twin 50 caliber guns that ran up and down the brown rivers near the DMZ up near Dong Ha on Kuaviet where there where the war was a hundred yards of jungle on either side and you found out about ambushes by literally getting ambushed on the river boat. There was just the jungles were so thick. Apocalypse. Yeah. Like exactly. He says he says he he commanded one of those boats. And he says two things happened to him in Vietnam that matter for everything that came after. The first is that the lights that he saw out in the, like, skies in the ocean followed him to Vietnam. He says the saucers were seen over the DMZ by everybody and that the Marines saw them, the army saw them, and the Navy saw them, and that there was a village north of the river that was there one week and then,

The next. Like a Shangri-Law? Oh, no. Empty. All right. Never mind. I thought you meant like it was going to disappear. I was like kid out of town.

More like a Roanoke, you know? Okay, sure. And the story that went around was that the lights that had been going around in the sky had came down and taken everybody. The second thing. Taking everybody. Yeah. Everybody.

That makes a lot more sense than war crimes. For sure. Yeah. Well, because America wouldn't do war crimes in Vietnam. Not us, baby. Heroes. It was the. the blue-dicked monster,

Dr. Manhattan. Correct. Vaporized everyone. The second thing is that Bill saw in Vietnam a fuck ton of drugs with his own eyes. He talks about how heroin. He saw how heroin was moved

out of the Golden Triangle on an aircraft with the cooperation of the CIA on the airline that everybody in country knew was the secret CIA airline. And that he says that when he asked about it. He was told to stop asking about it. Um, and this is what he realized. He like, know stuff

and like, just are like steel traps about this stuff. I just I don't, I, I, I, I know, I, I know drug running in the CIA and like, that has happened. Right. It continues to happen. Right. Right. I just don't know. I guess. I guess what I'm getting at all this. Yeah. I guess what I'm getting at

is I know you said it's allegedly for everything. Yeah. Yeah. Is his military service like documented. Okay, okay. But we know what he did. Yeah, this is the world according to Bill Cooper this week. Next week is the world the world according to reality. So even now, I can't even believe this guy saw an alien the way that, like, yeah, okay.

All right. Well, maybe. He may have seen something weird couple times, maybe. Me too. Yeah, exactly. I've seen some weird things, but I'm not doing this, you know. But purported by him at the moment, according to the story. he when he was young heard her talk and then when he was on a boat or I guess on when he's in

air force he saw things in the sky then he was on a navy in the submarine he saw things on the submarine he saw an aircraft carrier size show he's in Vietnam men when he went to nom they followed him there I imagine they were following him but he just says that that's what this is like you seeing shit in LA and they disappeared a whole village yeah but I don't think they were like, I got theories on that. I don't think you think that. But I think that the sort of phenomenon that creates that experience. Right, right, right.

Hit two different people, two different ways. Yeah, he thought, I think he thought, oh, they know I know. And they're like following me. So Vietnam. But so in this case, how old would he be? Oh, he was like, so this is 1966. He was born in, so he's like early 20s, 22, like 22 exactly. So during this time period, most of his young adult life and his late teenage years,

he has been, according to him, pretty much on the alien most one in this. Yes, they're everywhere. He sees them everywhere. They're all over the place. Okay. So after Vietnam in 1966, in 1970, Bill got us reassigned. He was sent to Pearl Harbor and to the headquarters of the commander-in-chief of of the United States Pacific Fleet, Admiral Bernard Clary,

and Bill was put on the Admiral's Intelligence Briefing Team. So now he was enlisted. He was a petty officer. But the way he explains it is that the briefing team was the one place in the Navy where a petty officer could hold every... Sorry, which I said it again. Petty officer was the... And the intelligence team was the only place where he could hold every clearance there ever was.

because the Admiral needed to be told everything, every morning, and somebody had to read the everything that he would need to be reading to the Admiral first. So Bill, being a petty officer, but in this informational group, says he held top secret clearance, what he calls Q clearance, which is nuclear clearance, which is... Is this the origin of that? Or is it a real... Every time you talk about any conspiracy self, people always mention Q clearance.

This is the same guy, the other Bill, was talking about. Q clearance is real. James Bond sex alien guy from a couple months ago. Bill Bill Tompkins, he also had. Yeah, yeah. And, of course, it's in conspiracy circles. People always love to talk about Q level because it exists. There is Q level.

clearance does exist and it does hold top secret levels along with nuclear information. Of course, of course. But it's one thing in real life to have Q clearance. And it's another thing in the fiction of conspiracy to have Q clearance in which it means that you are basically like ready to go meet the men in black and you're ready to go meet Hellboy and the Teenage Me Ninja Turtles and everybody else. It's an important distinction because there is a world where he may be a petty officer and holds Q clearance.

Of course. Because there are people who are like. like cooks, chefs, whatever, all hold top secret clearance because they have to go work on these top secret bases. So if he was working on it with an admiral on a top secret like classified base, he would get that clearance because he would need to access it. But it's debatable whether he's being read in on like aliens, you know, if that's like really what he was doing. If somebody to talk to him about this specific topic and asked him one wrong question, he would never get this clearance. Exactly. But like, that's the thing he can, he might be able to provide evidence that he has. at Q clearance, but that immediately is just open field for him to make up anything after that.

That's exactly what I mean is it's like once you have that status, what it, what internet people think it means for what you were exposed to is like you were talking to the aliens. You were walking with Trump when he had the six foot tall aliens on either side of him. Like, you know, whatever. Like that's what that's what it means to have QC clear. That's why QAnon worked. That's why. Yeah, because it was someone who knew everything. It had such, it has such. It has such. mystique to have Q clearance, but when really, like, it's quite mundane, like all top secret clearance. So to give people at home sort of the rundown of at least the United States security clearances, there's confidential and then there's secret, then there's L clearance,

then there's top secret, and then there's Q, and Q is the highest. And I must stress, if we're giving petty officers Q clearance, that feels like a mistake. because that's not like if I was a plant by an enemy organization country whatever it wouldn't take me long of working to get petty office yeah but it wouldn't it would be hard to get stationed in the queue clearance position that's why that's why I'm interested next week in hearing this guy's true military service record because he's at he's 22 he's already seen this stuff as he talked about it has he written about it yet by this point no Yeah, exactly.

So we'll see what's going happening, right? This is all coming 30 to 40 years after the fact. If he was like rear admiral bill, then I might be like, okay, oh shit, all right. But again, he's so young and he's, you know, he's not, he's just showing up to go work for a guy. They're like, well, you're going to need to know all this stuff. That seems crazy to me that we would do that as a country. Based on how this is being worded right now, my guess is that we know for sure he was a petty officer. And he's like, does that stop me for getting queue clearance?

I know this is what this is going to boil down to. We'll see next week. We'll worry about that right now. I know that's what's going to happen here. As he's been recruited to this position, he says for the next two years, his job was to walk into a vault, read what had come in overnight, and then he would decide what the admiral needed to know. And then from what he decides, he goes and tells the admiral what came in over that. Sounds like SOP to me.

Sounds like standard SOP for the highest level national secrets. There are literally people whose job of the military is to do stuff like that. And I know it's not a petty officer. Like that's crazy. What? Well, he says in 1972, two documents came across his desk that were not like the other documents. The first was called Project Grudge slash Project Blue Book report number 13. Obviously, we've talked about it before, but for those who may be listening only to this episode for the first time,

Blue Book was the Air Force's public UFO investigation. This is the one they shut down officially in 1969 and told everyone it was giant nothing, nothing was going on. This is like the realist government UFO thing that people read about. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It has like a lot of forms that you can read. You can kind of buy Project Blue Book as a book now. This is a real thing.

Yeah, absolutely. Blue Book published 12 reports. There was never a 13th report, but he claims this is Blue Book Report number 13 that came across. It's too much. It's just because it's 13, like, it's like MS 13. No, no. I was going to, I met Majestic 12.

My brain went to MS 13. Everybody's brain is going to MS 13 for everything these days. So Bill said he read this 13th report. And he says it was the real blue book. And it had photographs of dead aliens and photographs of a live one. And it laid out everything the government knew about who they were and what these aliens wanted. That's what the 13th report actually was. It's crazy.

Like report 12 was like a light was in the sky over Nebraska. And 13 is photos and truths. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Okay. So to be clear, I had to look this up because I needed to know.

Some petty officers who work in high-level intelligence and cryptographic systems will absolutely have access to really high-level stuff. But it also says here that they have to work in those specific departments. So, I mean, like, maybe. He was right on. I'm not going to poo it. Exactly where conspiracy theories thrive in the maybe. in that there's enough

he's saying enough things that are true where it is plausible, but then he slips in Blue Book Report number 13 where he sees pictures of live aliens, dead aliens, and shit. Which, again, I don't know, you know, we talk about aliens and the way the government runs the whole alien thing. And it would be interesting to just,

well, it was a report that, you know, I just didn't know that the Admiral needed to know this information. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he gets to decide. The second report he said that came across his desk in the vault was called Majority, Operation Majority specifically, or some people know them as the majority documents, depending on who you are. It depends what we call them. This was what he calls the master file, the organizational chart of the group running the alien quote unquote problem. The code names of every project that were running in the alien issue, the terms of all the treaties they had with all the aliens and the internal history of how the United States. United States had he gotten itself into the alien problem in the first place. So Bill read these and he says that the version of America, he had been defending for 11 years

up to that point, stopped existing in the time it took him to turn the pages. He says it was in those documents that he read for the first time that President Kennedy had been killed on the orders from inside the government and that the man who had fired the shot that killed him was sitting in the front seat of the car, which is why when he run the video over and over and over again for people and his little symposiums, he would always slow it down and tell people to pay attention to the driver in the front car. And I like that we did do deep dive JFK before all this because you can kind of get much more depth in our episodes about that.

It's like rear window. Like you can look at a piece of footage like a hundred times and pretty soon you can like change it in your own mind like how you need it to be. like I don't know what to say about things that reference the the the Zepruder film. I'll tell you this. I've seen that film now in my life. More than anyone ever needs to. More, yeah, thousands of times and never once in my life have I thought, maybe it was the driver.

I'll just say that. I'll just say that. Bill's here bringing the truth to you. Maybe you should watch it one more time. All right. I'll do it right now. I'll do it right now. All right, yeah, you do it right now.

While you do that, I'll read the next bit right here that I've written out. So Bill got out of the Navy in 1975. Honorable discharge was how he got out. And he says that for a while he did what everyone does when they know something they can't say, which is what his father did and all the Air Force men around him did. Drink too much and stay quiet. Okay. How's the idea?

Are you watching the Vipruder film? Yeah. I saw it. A driver. I'm literally seeing the moment. I'm seeing slow motion the worst part of the video, the part you don't want to see in slow motion. I'm watching it right now. I can see in widescreen, like, it looks like 70mm, but it's not.

There's the big fleshy wad coming off of the president in his head. And the driver has both of his hands on the steering wheel. Just saying. Is there another driver from a different car? There's another guy sitting next to the driver. They're both looking forward. Is there another car we can see in that? I can't remember with another driver.

Not from this angle, no. Like from the shot, from the angle of the shot, there's not a time when you can see a second driver. It's pretty, I mean, he was pretty. I guess I just didn't put enough stock in a bill to go look myself when I was doing this. I was just like, all right, whatever. You can do it at home, listener.

You know, all you have to do is click yes on an, I understand this is graphic notice on YouTube, and then you can do it. So, like I said, now at this point, he's honorable discharged and because he knows too much, he starts drinking and staying quiet, quote, unquote. And then he says he makes the big mistake. He ends up trying to tell somebody about the truth and not just like any normal person. The dude went right to a reporter. And not long after he did that, he was on his motorcycle in the hills above Oakland, California.

And a black car came up behind him and put him off the road. ramming him over the edge. In this accident, he lost his right leg above the knee. And that's why he gave it to the government? That's the government taking it from him. Oh. Okay. So he...

Did not put that together in my storytelling? I just did it. I just, I thought that there was going to be some sort of like, they told me that they would need to keep it for research. And even though it had all the answers, my leg is better served with the people who understand it the best. No, no. This is they, he told, he tried to tell a reporter.

the truth about what he saw one night. And lo and behold, not long after, a black, like, featureless car came up and ran him off the road on his motorcycle in Oakland, California, and he lost his leg in that accident. And he says that while he was in the hospital,

two men came to see him, who were dressed in what else, but suits, who neither doctors or police, who were neither doctors or police, and they both stood at the end of the bed and asked him whether he had learned his lesson.

And he told them that, yes, he had. And with that, they left. And he says he did not, he did not open his mouth again for another 13 years. Why wouldn't they just shoot him in the heart right there? I don't know. Because it's probably security. Okay. If I'm going to logic this out from Bill's perspective, sure.

Okay, here we go. Security cameras in the hospital. Okay. They would be recorded scene going into his room and going out. And they would have a dead dude clearly shot in the, chest bleeding out a hospital bed. Right, but not, but what I mean is on the road. Okay, well, all right.

Well, when they just knocked him clear and his leg came off, why didn't they just and then he'd be, he'd be gone. We wouldn't have revealed anything. Is this the, is this the 9-11 guy too? I think he is. We wouldn't have had that. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this guy literally, whoever said Alex Jones, that was correct.

You said, you, yeah. Oh, Jesse said to rather Alex Jones. I absolutely recognize the book because there was a time period. I don't know if people remember this. It's fucking sucks. Don't buy it. It's a waste of your time and money, but goddamn. During the early 2000s, there was a time period where coast to coast a.m.

would have Alex Jones on as like a guy who knew things. Not a complete nut job, but like a guy who knew stuff. And this, they talk about this kind of thing all the time. You know who Brad Meltzer is? No. He's like this bald guy who's like kind of nerdy. He always wears like a jacket. He's like a novelist kind of dude.

Okay. Like one of those like James Patterson sized dudes. Sure, sure, sure. And he wrote, he wrote a bunch of books. He wrote Justice League for a while. And he had a show that was like on, I don't know what channel it was on. It was on like history channel or something like that.

And it was like going deep with Brad Meltzer into like the underbelly of American history. And there's like all these episodes and ones on like the Rosicrucian, Georgia guidestone thing. One of them's on like Fort Knox gold. One of them's on, you know, that type of stuff. The Mount Rushmore Vault or whatever. And then one of them is about Bohemian Grove, which we've talked about on the show before, which is sort of like place where people go. who are rich and make decisions behind the backs of society, right?

It's like the Illuminati vibes. They're like, we needed to get onto the premises of Bohemian Grove. And in order to do so, we had to find somebody who was an expert on the waters in this area. Enter Alex Jones. And he was like still, he didn't have a show yet, but he was like, I'll show you. I've been up there. They took me, they catch me overnight. You got to see it.

It's unbelievable. Come on. and then they go. People don't understand that there was a time of this country where if there was a conspiracy show, Alex Jones would just show up in it. And everyone took him as like, this guy knows things.

It was called decoded. And it's so crazy how he clearly didn't, but he knew where to be, he knew what to say, he knew how to get on TV. It's the power of marketing and capitalism. The same thing happened to Trump. The same thing happened to Trump.

Everybody saw him as this amazing businessman. When in reality, he was a fucking, con man with the 90 failed bit like it was yeah it people it's not hard to get people to believe kind of what you want them believe you have enough money to do or or he did know and they took him down because he knew too much Alex Jones was the first guy I believe whoever secretly videotaped the the ritual in Bohemian Grove that's crazy so that's insane they got him they took him down they made him go crazy they kept feeding him supplements and he went nuts he didn't he got the

He got the whole cast of the show arrested. That's crazy. So, moving on. So if he's deciding to stay quiet, why, after 13 years, after losing his own leg, did he decide to start talking again? Well, by the late 1980s, other people had finally started coming out and saying pieces of it. There was a document called The Majestic 12 briefing that had shown up in UFO researchers' mailbox overnight and a former airline, pilot named John Lear was on the lecture circuit talking about underground bases and alien treaties. And Bill says he watched all of this.

And he immediately recognized it because he had seen the originals and all the paperwork he had read back in the 70s. These people were describing the files. He immediately recognized it as a way to make money. No, no, as the truth. Why do I recognize John Lear's name? Oh, because Lear is everywhere, dude. Yeah. Rear is like a big big.

No, like as in the alien guy that if you have spent any time in the last 30 years listening to any radio or any TV shows, dude shows up constantly. I was like an authoritative figure in that space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. What year did you say it was, by the way, now in our story? We're in the 80s now. Oh, yeah. Here's John Lear on fucking George Knapp.

In 1987. Yeah, he was doing, like he said, he was doing like his lecture circuit at this point, kind of going around talking about all this weird shit. And like I said, Bill says, oh, I saw all this stuff in the files. So he came to the conclusion that sounds insane, I guess, kind of, is that the only way for him to stay alive now is to actually just talk about it. He become too loud to kill. If you become too, that was my whole goal with the show,

was that I was going to become too loud to kill when I, finally started digging for the truth about aliens, you can't take me out now, because the podcast is medium popular. I don't know what I would do. If you were about to do an alien episode and then you got taken out, if you just, like,

disappeared on a side road and one night, it's easy for them to offer me money at this point. Make yourself buyable, not killable. If I rang your doorbell at 7 p.m., would you answer it? Not if I can't look out my little people. If it's just like a dude at your door at 7 p.m. Are you answering the door? No. Really? Not without my gun next to me.

Oh my God. You are from Texas. I do have a gun in the house. Yeah. It just happens. It just weirdly happens when you move to Texas. I mean, yeah, no, I wouldn't open. No, I would not. Would you? Yeah. You would open your door at 7 p.m. to a man you don't know knocking on it. I live in such a populous area. It would be so insane if it was like a secret man coming to kill me at 7 p.m. but I must stress the amount of people that just show up to Alex's home that's actually true actually you're not in wrong that's Alex is not fair to ask that question I live in a different I don't answer even if it's two p.m. I'll wait I'll be like no I want to talk to this person

it's just different over here it's just there's a lot of activity outside at this time keep your youth so yeah well it makes me feel like I'm 25 but I I you know Not mentally, just mentally, not physically. Anyway, his plan, come too loud to kill. So in 1988, he posted a summary of the- Such a bad plan. I'm sorry. That's why it says it sounds stupid what I'm going to say.

Like, so in 1988, he posted a summary of the majority documents on a computer bulletin board for UFO researchers. And in 1989, he wrote up a lecture called the secret government and started giving it in hotel conference rooms all over the country with the film. with the film, with the leg, like the whole thing I built in the beginning, like that whole scene. And in 1991,

he put all of it into the damn book. Every document he could get his grubby little mitts on, all the executive orders he could find along with some congressional record stuff, oaths, treaties, memos, dude. This book is not like... So who publish this book? Oh, they're from Arizona.

What's their name? Random House. Publishing, light, light technology publishing. And they're not like burnt to the ground and sued by the government. I don't know what's happening with light publishing technology. Hey, look, that's why Google exists. I'll find out. It's light technology.com is there, is their website.

Oh, God, light technology.com. Yeah, yeah, it's where all the organ energy goes. But I heard, I was about to say, I urge anybody, if you are just for your own curiosity, you're going to pick up this book. This is not like a sit down and read kind of book. This shit is insane. Yeah, the website's great, isn't it? This website is like, it looks like the website for like a,

like a Indian like like you what do you call those guys like a like a like a like a guru like a it looks like a website that you'd like go sign up for like a $4,000

course that takes four days well this is what this is what published it says at the top Sedona there you go explorer race benevolent magic

and some shamanic secrets I'll take it's a okay Going through their books right now on Amazon, the ones you can buy still, there is Behold a pale horse, and that's a top seller. That's going to be maybe their best seller. Yes. But there's also the ancient secret of the flower of life, volume one, the ancient secret of the flower of life, volume two, living in the heart, how to enter into the sacred space. the prism of Lyra, an exploration of

human galactic something, a year of forgiveness, a course and miracle lessons. There's also 137. Jesus, my autobiography. They got Jesus. Oh my God. They got Jesus, dude.

Damn. This is a $137 DVD called 2013 and beyond this world is a community. Dude, what's great about, I will say the one good thing about this book, This is for, I'll explain what I'm showing. It's not really picture anyway. But this book is old school where you can do like paper mail order.

Look it. It back folds in the book. Oh, wow. Paper mail order like thing. And then the whole back for like a few pages is all just ads. It's all ads for all their other shit that they sell. It's like a comic book. I just want to say, it's like a magazine.

I really want to read this book. I feel like this might be a future topic. There's a book they have called Making Love to God. Do it. Oh, please do it. Shit. Do it. That has to be.

Where is, like, that is, like, where do you put it? You can put it right on the fucking coffee table for everybody to see. Yeah, that's a coffee table book. If it's all around us, where do you put it? Everywhere, man. So if you're going to, it's just over 500 pages. This book sucks. If you're going to just be wary, it's not like a casual.

I'm going to read a few pages every night. This is like you're going to lose yourself. You have to do the work or don't, don't read the book at all. It seems like a book that would make me fall asleep is what it, what it seems like. It seems impossible to open that book after 10 p.m. I'm going to just say, 100% with you.

As a guy who reads a lot of shitty books by crazy people and tries to make something that sounds respectable out of it, that one looks real bad. So we'll see how I do. Okay. By the end of this episode, hold on, hold on, hold on. Jesse, this episode is already going to be long. No, it's too late.

No, it's too late. I need to just tell you. That's why you don't understand we're on page six. of my script, guys. No, it's fine. It's fine. This is important. This is very important. In making love to God, there are outcomes you could expect from this book. And they are in order. How, learning how we came to misunderstand sexual energy, using divine sexual energy, specific steps and sensations, how to block transformation.

How to block transformation. And then following the path of transformation. And then the last one, reaping the harvest? Do you think these guys... What the hell does that mean? Is this Alistair Crowley's like spin-off? That sounds terrified. This is like dangerous.

This is like Jesse. The kind of books that you talk to somebody after 10 years that you haven't caught up within a while and you're like, oh, I guess we're never going to catch up again after this. Oh, you're reaping the harvest now. Oh, okay.

Good for you. Dude, I like, I like almost want to put somebody on blast a little bit, but I can't because it's too weird. I'll tell you guys after. You can call me out. Yeah, I call me. I have this. I have this friend. Just you promise to if you do get that book, you have to try and do

some of the stuff it teaches you to do. Oh, I am the minute I get back and buy this book, it is happening. You have the best sex you've ever had in your whole life, having sex with God. And it's with God. And it's with God. Like, you can't get better than that. It's just perfect. Talk about Antimony. I hope the end of the book. It's like, so

in summation, jark in it. It's pretty cool. I hope that's what the end of it says. Please buy as many corn flakes as you possibly can. The way this book opens. You're in trouble for even buying this. This book opens with a 40 page forward. And then when the book finally actually starts,

it opens up. The first thing it is is a photocopied document. It's a document that says from July 7th, 1986. It's an employee. It's the way he got a hold of this stuff supposedly. as an employee of the Boeing aircraft company in Washington State, goes to a surplus sale and buys a used IBM copier for parts, takes it home,

opens it up, and inside the machine finds a document. Some 40 pages dated May 1979, marked at the 30 pages, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you know what,

this makes sense, because sometimes when you're making copies and you screw up, and you're like, oh, man, we still need that, we still need that paper. You put the paper in on the other side, and so they put four,

40 sheets back in the thing. Because they're going to reuse the paper. Even a petty officer with Q clearance would know that he needs to save money. Yeah. That's just how the government works. So if you print secrets on one side, just recycle it. Flip it over. Yeah.

Come on now. Yeah. Like immediately it's like it's top secret silent weapons for quiet wars and introduction program manual operations research technical manual. That's like page one. That's page one. It opens up. It opens up with his notes.

to the top about what this document is and then it's just fucking, it's just document I hope the forward is just like, look at how did we get here? I hope the forward's just like, it kind of is like how did we get here? Here's my life. I don't know. Hi, hi to C, C, hi to Jerry, my two dogs,

I love you. Oh yeah, that's at the very start. Wouldn't be able to do this. My leg, wherever you are. I love you. My leg, wherever you are. So dark. Wherever you are, old leggy, I miss you the most. Yeah. So like I said, the leg got L clearance for sure.

It definitely got L clearance. So as I just read off the book itself, this thing is dated May 1979 and marked at the top as a technical manual serial number TMSW. This is going to be, this might be our longest episode we ever do. Oh my God. It was a dumb joke. It was good. The worst joke. You dying is making me laugh.

It's not even the joke. Did you guys know that the word leg starts with the letter L? Wow. It's really late for Jesse. We're going to fuck him up tonight. It's only going to get more insane for it from here on it. TMSW 7905.1. It's a and a classification.

that said that you weren't, it's top secret. No one should be reading this. And like I said, the title is silent weapons for quiet wars. And what it claimed to be was an introductory training manual, like a welcome packet, that you hand a new hire, I would, I guess, except the organization doing the hiring was the international secret cabal of elite and the job was going to be running the human race. Was it called the international secret cabal of the elite? Is that a real org?

No, that's what I call them. Thank God. Thank God. Okay. No, no, that's what I'm just calling it. So what the document says in Bill's book is, it says in 1954, at a meeting of men who owned the world, a decision was reached. The public was never going to govern itself intelligently.

It was never going to use its brain, and it would always prefer comfort to thought and entertainment to responsibility. And therefore, since somebody had to run things and since the public was too stupid to be trusted to and give consent to being, and too stupid to give consent to being run, the elite would run things without their consent quietly. And the mechanism for doing that would be a quiet war fought with silent weapons. Silent weapons. The document explains is economics, run on computers, aimed at populations. Basically, it fires data. And it doesn't make any sound. That's why the quiet weapons thing they talk about. And the people it hit.

It's nobody would ever know that this is all. The reason this thing is happening, they'll end up blaming themselves by the end, or they blame something else, anything but the actual cause to what's happening them. That's going to be the weapon, the economy. And it's a weapon that's going to take approximately, according to the document, 20 years to do its job. Doesn't sound all that far out, you know, in general from like, but it's just like,

it's observational rather than like, I feel like anybody who takes time and looks in studies humans can come to the conclusion that people do generally prefer comfort over critical thought a lot of the time and, you know, a person is smart, people are stupid. The reason this works, I think in general with conspiracy shit, but I think specifically like stuff like, the humans will do this. They're not capable of doing this. We will control them. It's simple, gentlemen.

Yeah, exactly. The reason that rings so true for the average person. and I think we all qualify as, like Mathis said earlier. Extremely average. We're medium famous. We're not rich people. We're just regular. We have no, we have no power, right?

We're not powerful individuals. The internet and like the new, like the global news and like just like the access to culture that we have now and the way people can communicate unsanctioned with each other across vast distances. we are able to perceive mechanisms of power that were not possible to perceive before. And there's nothing secret about it other than that you didn't know about it before because it was so inconceivably large of a lever to be pulled by one person. But like, look at Elon Musk. He's not a conspiracy. I mean, he does illegal shit all the time.

We know this. And he does lie all the time. And he's super out of pocket with everything that he does. And he destroys the world. And he up, up, up heaves like entire economies and fucks up governments and comes in and just wipes out like the aid that we're giving to a bunch of, you know, nations that really deserve it. You know, just with a wave of his wrist with a guy named Big Balls and a organization named after a fucking Sheba, but you knew. Right. So he got B clearance.

And it's, yeah, he's got Bhole clearance. And it's like, and it's like fucking devastating and it's psychedelic and it's overwhelming and there's nothing you can do. It's like totally cucking to you. It's like fucking you up. It's fucking up your countrymen. It's fucking up your lineage. You're like generations of your life. You're like people are going to be having to deal with the repercussions of like the actions of this one dude Elon Musk.

Right. and that's so fucking upsetting of a thing to comprehend that it does feel like being bent over a barrel with a gag in your mouth. It does feel like sort of emasculating in a way. And so these types of conspiracy theories being all around you, it's not like once you, once your brain kind of breaks, once your brain kind of gets cucked by power that first time, and you aren't ready for it or you're not the right kind of person to handle it, you are like gone from, from like reason. You now believe anything that anybody will tell you about why things are happening

as long as it makes you feel a little bit validated or indicated. The longer, the longer they sit in that world, the harder it is to get them out of it. It's a quote from a book I recently read is the idea of like a, a man with a sick head is curable, a man with a sick heart is impossible. It's like cocaine.

It just eats. The longer they sit in something like that, the harder it is to actually help somebody. It's like cocaine versus weed. Like you're involved in the conspiracy. It's over, dude. Like when you, the weed, the weed version of being like a, like a anti-government weirdo is, is like sitting back and being like, it's fucked guys. Yep. That sucks.

But like love, right? We love each other and like, like, psych, like, consciousness. and like psychology sort of comes together in this like psychedelic way where we all are one and we get there and we feel good about that and we can get strength through that. But then the other half of people, probably more people, you know, judging by how things are going in the only USA, like more than half of them just go like, I'm involved. Like this is about me. Yeah.

Like the world's going to change. Yeah. I'm the only one who can. Yeah. And so anything that happens happens this way and it's just the worst. Well, sitting at the heart of this document that says that all this stuff is true, a document attributes the ideas to a Mr. Rothschilder, but no first name is given.

So is this like Bilderberg type shit? Yeah, it's like the old school, like the like the like, what's the bones, the skulls? Skull and bow. Like those types of things are what you're imagining when you're imagining these conspiracies. It's like people in rooms meeting gentlemen. Yeah, very much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I, yeah, definitely the picture in my mind as I was like reading this. Yeah, yeah. The idea is that money is like a receipt for energy, specifically for human energy, like labor. You do work and you are handed a piece of paper that stands for the work and you trade the

paper for the work of others. I mean, that's right, right. It's basically economic. It's basically I cannot. Exactly, fine. But the moment you have the paper standing in for the energy, whoever controls the paper controls the energy, and whoever controls the energy controls the people, it came out of. And then the document that says that the Rothschild figured out

that if you could get people to accept paper for gold, you could issue more paper than there was gold and lend it out and charge interest on money that did not exist and that this was the single most important discovery in the history of power, because it meant you could own a nation's labor without owning the nation. I feel like that was discovered long before that moment. You can just say rich people realize that when they got all the people's money in their

big house, if you just replace it with bananas, just arbitrary item to replace it with other than our deep monkey nature. But if you just say, if the banana stands in for labor and you exchange labor for bananas, you know, it makes sense why somebody will want to have the most fucking bananas, is all I'm saying. It doesn't matter the rest of that shit. Like, you just, you don't have to, you don't have to do anything besides get everybody's bananas,

and you'll do it however you want to do it. Like, getting shit, if you're a sociopath and you're crazy enough, you'll just do it. Yeah, well, the document continues to draw out the analogy, not anagram, analogy to like the electricity thing. It says, capacitance. The antimony. Capacitance is money in the bank.

Inductance is the population, because populations have momentum, and resistance is what happens when people have to pay for things. The document argues that once you've reduced a society to a circuit diagram, you can model it on a computer,

and then you can go ahead and predict it. And once you can predict it, you can then steer it, and you can run a nation the way you'd run a machine by pushing on the inputs and watching the outputs and never once having to ask

anybody's permission ever again. Yes, you can do this. The document even says how you calibrate the machine by shocking it. You do something big and sudden and then to the country, you do something big and sudden to the country, and you watch what happens to prices and buying and behavior, the way you tap a bell to hear what note it makes,

and it names the 1929 economic crash is one of the taps, one of the shocks that was being put into play to the population. There's just no way you can control. Like, I mean, I appreciate this. I appreciate this because it's very, it speaks to the deepest fears we have as humans. Like, this is the subject matter of this. But it's interesting to hear that these are the sort of original building blocks of this because they're so unimaginative.

Like, if you just imagine Sebastian Shaw of the Hellfire Club doing all of this and saying all of this, it like fits like too much. Like, it's almost. It's almost like cartoon villain, like Dr. Evil vibes, like plans. And it, it, uh, I do. Like that's, isn't that, but that cut you off right there for a second. I think that's an interesting point. The packaging is all that matters.

This is a message that's been said by fictional characters, time and over by this point in like comics and movies or whatever. And it's silly. But if you package the same message as a secret classified document, suddenly it's nefarious and scary. That's kind of what I was getting at is like, it's funny. how similar this is to just like, it's not a unique thought in any way. Yeah.

What's fascinating is, is like when I was in school, I took a lot of, um, psychology classes and a lot of classes where we would sit there and debate with professors about war theory and prisoner dilemmas and all sorts. And one of the things that always stood out to me every time was that it all hinged on people being.

rational thinkers. And the, like the, I guess the fallacy with all of it is most humans are not rational thinkers. And so in, you know, mathematical equations of things, like the things he's talking about, like, well, you input the inputs and output the outputs, it's like, yeah, but that's not, people don't work that way. When you deal with people, there's a lot of factors that, you know, you can look at the last couple elections where you would think on paper, well, it certainly is going to go this way. And then the outcome is, nope, turns out despite people saying they would do a thing, they didn't do a

thing. And that's, it consistently happens. And so the idea that there's, you know, they're, yes, they're absolutely rich assholes trying to run every damn thing and collect all the bananas and do all the different things. But what he's, he's not factoring in anything about humanity at all. which makes it even funnier because it really does seem more like a comic book villain because all you have to do for that is write it for the story. It isn't like I'm not factoring in billions of people with each of them having individual motives. You don't need to do that in a comic or a video game or a movie.

And so he's like, yes, they have these plans and this is what they're doing. And it's now they do it. And it's like, if they were that diabolical, they would, it would be much more complicated than that. it just, it just feels like, it just feels like almost like escape room design where like, you have to feel like you're discovering a secret, but it can't really be that hard to find because somebody has to do it in an hour who's like drunk on like two cocktails with their girlfriend trying to impress them. So like, you have to give them something that is textured,

like the way that they would kind of expect it to be textured, but you also kind of have to make sure that it's dumb enough that everybody can understand it. Like, like, uh, like, you know, the Netflix deal with, they explain it multiple times. Yeah, they say stuff like a bunch of times over and over again, even though they're just pretending like it's normal conversation. It's like, you just have to take the tropes like Superman, right? Like fucking whatever, like the serials of the radio,

like the radio serials, Captain Marvel, the Shadow. All the villains are doing this stuff talking like this. So it's not like the discovery of it is actually, that it's not like a surprising plan that nobody's like the cleverness of the plan is not blowing anybody away it's like the universality of the message is the point and the fact that it's like this sort of deeply upsetting truth that you kind of already know is true is the whole point of it it's not why it resonates yeah it isn't necessarily the plan is real but it's that's how you feel it feels like there are a bunch of rich assholes controlling everything and

you have no control over your own life. And that, that connects with people. It really affects people. Yeah. And the worst, the worst thing is the, the worst thing is the,

the mindset that it puts you in the, the consumer of that. That's why I'm saying it's like cocaine is because it's like, you, you always need a little bit more cocaine than last time. Yeah. Exactly. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. To get, you know, that's, and that's how you end up like Alex Jones going from like, I want us all the people on the island to the kid,

all those kids, actually actors and you're like, holy shit, dude. That's pretty much, that's pretty much how you can spot a grift. Yeah. Yeah. And to keep delivering bigger and bigger every time. It's like, that's not how reality doesn't work like World of Warcraft. There isn't a bigger boss out there.

It doesn't keep getting more and more threatening out there, unfortunately, or fortunately in a weird way. But to the point that you're made about, like, how it resonates with them, like, that's the point. Like, the document also goes on to describe, like, how they would keep the public from noticing And the way they would do it would be things like you take schools and you make sure they teach children to sit still, follow instructions and stop asking questions so that they grow into adults who don't know how to think and don't know that they don't know, basically. Just like they've been doing since the dawn of school. I taught a lesson on this when I was a teacher because the real reason is equally as devious.

But it's not this. It's not because they want you to be dumb and stupid. Like, that's currently, that's kind of the vibe. But it was because you were supposed to go in the workforce and literally work in a factory. And they were trying to make kids who would go off and, like, in the, you know, 1920s and 30s and assemble shit. You're a whole, they were like, we're going to. And that's why the term dropout literally comes from assembly line stuff, where it's a product that you literally had to, like, drop off the assembly line because it was not, It didn't fit with any of the other parts.

Like, it's all assembly line. It's literally just, same vibe. It is absolutely capitalism and getting people to work. It's just a different, it's not a conspiracy. It's just sad. And yet somehow the same mechanisms teach different people exactly how to usurp authority and just how dumb the people in charge are. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, no, it's true. But I teach some people that. just saying. I'm just saying. The other thing you do with the kids, you give them entertainment. Like all the entertainment they can eat from everything from sports, TV, music, sex,

junk food, again, not really a fucking unique idea in any way. The document is also very specific. It's the alois, the, yeah, the time travel guys, yeah. Yeah, the document is specific also that the media should be used to keep the adult mind at the level of a child.

Keep them busy, it says, working and commuting and worrying about life with no time left over to like critically think, keep them kind of like animals on a farm. You also want to break the family. You take the father out of the house by making him work all the time. And then you make him look ridiculous in the culture so his kids stop listening to him. And then you push the mother into the workforce so nobody's home. And then the state raises the children and the children belong to the state.

And it's like, is this a plan or are you just writing a critique of what happened? Well, the last point it makes, too, is you also want to keep the public fighting each other over race or sex, religion, sports teams, literally fucking anything it says, because a public that is angry at its neighbor

never looks up. Right. It's not left versus right. It's up versus down, bro. Picture this. The worst filmmaker that you know, Zach Snyder, makes a movie about the best guy ever to exist, Superman. This will destroy culture.

This will eventually lead to the great Snyder War that destroyed the movie industry. It's, it's so easy to say somebody planned it, but it's always, it's always way dumber than you, than you even write, then you can even write it. Well, Bill's, and Bill's interpretation of this document is, he doesn't present this fucking document in the book as something he is intellectually interested in discussing in any way. He doesn't want you to look at it too closely at all, as a matter of fact. He doesn't present it as a curiosity. He presents it as the operating manual of the group that runs the world.

And he says he recognized it the moment he read it because he had read the same doctrine in the vault at Pearl Harbor eight years before it fell out of that copy machine that guy found it in. Same exact stuff. He says it's the same dates and logic from 1954 and all that stuff. It's all there. So he knows it's real and you can trust him because he had a cue clearance. He says he puts it in the book first because. Why can you trust him because he has Q clearance? Because that who, like he, of course he'd be.

He's one of the only people who could see this stuff. So he knows it's true. Okay. So that makes sense. Yeah, thank you. I'm glad. We can't discuss this further. He puts it first in the book because he says he wants you to read everything after it as an application.

The secret societies are the people who wrote this manual. The executive orders are the manual, are the man-made laws coming to for, to produce what this document is after. The concentration camps are the manual's answer for the people who stop watching the game, quote unquote. And the aliens, if they're real, are the manual's excuse for it all. That's chapter one of this fucking book. If you ask Bill Cooper who's in charge of the world, he'll even give you a name.

And the name he gives you is Lucifer. What? Let me give you the argument. I'll give you the argument. Here's Bill's argument. I don't know. I got to admit. It's kind of out of left.

field here. Yeah, got you curious, right? All right. That's what, that's what I, same here. Here's what I learned. Bill says that there's an old religion, one that is older than Christianity, Judaism, older than anything in a book that we have. He traces it to Babylon and Egypt

to what he calls the mystery schools. Pizzu-Zoo with the Pes-Noo-Soo. The snook and the SNS? He's P-Nuk and the SNS. He calls, he traces it back to, Babylon in Egypt and what he calls the mystery schools, which were the temple cults where the priests kept the real knowledge, secret astronomy and mathematics and medicine, how to make fire do things and kept it from people. And then use the gap between what they knew and what people knew to rule over them.

I've seen Prince of Egypt. I know how Moses went in there and was like, snake bitch. And they were like, oh, real snake. Yeah, never mind. No, it's whatever. That's true. That's all fake. Yeah, true.

And the god of that religion, in every version of it, is the one who brings light. The one who brings knowledge. And in Greece, that was Prometheus. In Genesis, it's the serpent. And the name the order uses is Lucifer, which is just a Latin word that means light bringer. Are you going to tell me? Is that how the book of Genesis goes? Lucifer gate?

Lucifer. He told her to eat from the. apple of knowledge. He convinced her to eat the apple. But that's not saying that technically, God already put it there. I'm just, I'm not even like.

And Lucifer doesn't know. I'm not even a Bible scholar, but technically it was already there. And he was just like, don't eat that. You don't want that. But technically it was there. It was there.

He didn't, yeah. But Prometheus stole the fire also. But you're also thinking of the Christian version of it. This is older than that. And the theology of it is, the God of the Bible. Are you going to tell me,

Lucifer is a fucking alien. God damn you. No. Well, just wait. I don't want to say to that that's what it's going. Don't worry. He's going to tell me Lucifer is an alien that landed a million years ago and he was a snake alien. That would be awesome.

And he eats apples only. No, the God of the Bible. Maybe, no. Isn't that he was a snake? He was a serpent, right? So maybe. True. Maybe it's just because he was green, dude.

Oh, shit. Green propaganda. Oh, damn. Ateas. Shit. The God of the Bible. The one who put the tree in the garden and told Adam not to, eat from it is a tyrant who wanted to keep humanity ignorant.

And the serpent who told Eve that the fruit would open her eyes and make her like a God was the one telling the truth. The serpent was the good guy. Knowledge was the gift. And the people who accepted the gift who ate from the tree are the enlightened. And the people who didn't are cattle. And the enlightened have been running the cattle ever since. I'm going to tell you something right now as a guy who only makes art and reads and

creates culture only it ain't I ain't in charge I'm not I'm not because your cattle bro you're just a smart cow you're smart cow oh shit this is

and enjoys life regardless you know you see that slaughterhouse you see the cows go in but you're too busy picking daffodils I needed to be Lucifer so that I feel good about this

I need to lose for lucid be real yeah he's one doing it Bill's phrase for the whole tradition across all its ancient versions is the brotherhood of the snake. And what he wants, like, really wants people to understand is that when you strip away the robes and all the secret handshakes, every secret society in history is actually the same society, worshipping the same light with the same contempt for everyone outside the building of their beliefs. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What does he have to say about, like, uh, Asia? about what? Asia.

I was going to say because Africa. Yeah. There are other religious cultures, but more importantly, the implication as he views. Or are there others? Tush.

But he clearly views the Bible as an accurate portrayal of what happened at the time. No, the Bible is too new. The Bible is a artistic representation of something that happened to a religion that's even older than

So he's saying, he's saying, he's saying, because the Bible isn't Satan as evil when reality Luke first. Right, right. But I guess I'm trying to get at is, is he, I think Alex is saying this too, he is saying that the Bible is a story telling of an event that occurred when a tyrannical overlord, God, yeah, controlled the world. And then a super cool guy named Lucy came down and was like, hey man that's not cool and then got mankind knowledge and helped us do what exactly you're saying it's it's all it's all all fuck well fuck all the complexities of culture in the world you can now reduce every global culture's religion to the knowledge spreader and the guy who didn't want the knowledge to get out right yeah that's what you're saying yes that's exactly what he's saying

But they are, and they're like actual gods, though, like actual entities. Right. Right. Like, he's saying, fuck all the other religions. Everything everybody else thinks is just a comic book obscuration of a true new gods-esque ultra gods that are the gods of the other gods that made up all the other gods by just existing. Yes. And Bill even gives like a family tree of secret societies that all belong to this. Do they all have the same server?

Like, are they like actually the same? Like the right source code, all the same, you know, whatever. But I mean, actually now, are they all actually, he's trying to say every secret society is one group? They're all, they're all unknowingly one group. Okay. Okay. I see what he's saying. Yeah.

So this is like some metaphysical shit. Kind of. Yeah. Very. See, there is a metaphysical level to this stuff. So his little family tree goes as follows. First, he got the Knights Templar founded in 1118, officially to protect pilgrims on the road to Jerusalem. And Bill says that in the east, they found something.

and it was knowledge that they found. They found something. The idea is that they supposed to found like the chalice. Holy Grail. Holy Grail. Which was a flash drive. Yeah. I'm in Bill's world.

I've been in Bill's world for a long time because they didn't find the Holy Grail there. They actually found knowledge. And they found the old religion intact passed from the mystery schools through the Islamic world. And they brought it home. And with that knowledge, instead of enlightening the world, they used it to get rich, they got powerful, and in 1307, the King of France and the

Pope crushed them on Friday the 13th, and seven years later, burned their Grand Master alive, and the rest of the survivors all went underground. Please, I've read a Dan Brown novel. I know about this. Yeah, you know where this is going, because underground, they then became

the Rosicrucians, and then they became free reign. Masonry, Masonry, Bill says, was a real trade guild one, stone cutters with real secrets about how you keep a cathedral standing. How did they get, how did they become the fucking guys? What happened? Ask the green stone. I wish I could. But as you

know, it's in the middle of a big war between two forces beyond my ability or understanding as a psychic. And so I can't get to that information right now. You got a time slice in there, dude. If I can look, I'll look, but I can't touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not the point of time slices. It's in a bill. I know the greenstone. I know the greenstone fits into Bill Cooper's story. So you got them underground.

And then in the 16 and 1700s, gentlemen started joining lodges who had never cut a stone in their lives. And the guild shifted from one of trade to religion. And the religion was the old religion with a working class kind of costume on it. And he says the whole structure of masonry, the 13 degrees exist to hide the truth from lower grades.

The guy at the local lodge in Ohio who joined because his father-in-law was in it, knows, uh, knows nothing. He's just a decoration is his example. The people in the top degrees are running something. And the local lodge is the pool that they will draw from with like

henchmen. It's henchmen goons, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like really tall guys with big bodies that can like,

just take a punch with like nothing. Yeah, but they're all named like tiny and moose. Yeah. Or like, or like vaguely Nordic names in a, in a kind of racist way. I'll say it.

Yeah. Like a Hans or a, or a Sven or a, you know, like, there's always a Hans and a Sven. Yeah. Uh, so fast forwarding the timeline a little bit. May 1st, 1776 in Ingolstadt Bavaria,

a professor of canon law named Adam Wyshop, founds a society and calls it the Illuminati, the Enlightened ones. Talk, what, ton up. In 1776? Mm-hmm. May 1st, 1776 in Inglestott, Bavaria. Yeah, coincidence?

Mm, I don't know. You'll have to ask. Thank God Nick Cage solved this whole problem for us. You'll have to ask the Assassins Guild. Why Shop's genius, Bill says, was that he was excellent at organization. He had cells, nobody knew more than two people above them, code names for everybody. Weyshopped himself was known as Spartacus in his group in a program, which was to get inside every Masonic Masonic lodge in Europe, take it over from the inside without the members ever knowing

and use the lodges as like the nervous system for a takeover of every government on the continent. So what was this guy's plan? So I think what happened was with these with these secret societies. According to Bill. I think just in general, I think that like back in the day like cringe didn't exist. And so people would just like buy into this like stupid ass bullshit and like get all up in it. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, you know, like certain, certain dates that you've been on.

They, like, you talk about games like a little too much. And they're like, they're gone. Like, you've lost them. Like, they're gone to you. Like, there was no fear of this when you were like the male, like the foppish, dandy males of society that were clearly in charge. And so you just go and you say your little dumb little club rules and stuff. And you got a little robe.

Even though you just got, you're probably, rich from building buildings is that is it really just that we needed buildings that's why the masons are the guys i think they came to masons came together to afford a trade guild but that but it's not that they formed a guild because there's lots of guilt you know what i mean it's that they formed like the cringiest guild of all time they formed it's yeah they did the same thing like like they're just like and then they'll be 15 there'll be 13 degrees and then you don't you have to close your eyes and then you blow and then you like put your hand in the box and then me Masonic listeners the show. So like, you guys are cool, though.

It's not that. It's like, it's grown into something. It's grown in the Masons. Yeah, it's grown into something totally different. But for some reason, in the whole world, everyone thinks that the Stone Masons Guild is like eyes wide shut.

Like, I don't know how I don't know how we got. I mean, that's the thing Mathis was just saying about the, well, the rank and file, my grandfather was just like a dude at the local lodge. But you can get away with him telling, being like, I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Those people are crazy.

We didn't get away with it by saying, well, they didn't know. Yeah, they weren't at the top. They weren't the cream of the crop. He was in the pool. He's like, we'd go there and we like drink. And every once in a while, like a dude who is important would show up and we'd all like listen to him talk. For the people who really feel like they weren't made for this time, they have the, the 1600s version

of Mount Chilliad to go think about, basically. Right. Like, you just go, you just retreat inwards to the upper echelons of your Oregon make it more complicated so that you feel even cooler. But it's, it's so crazy because you think if you really boil it down to what you were saying, Alex, about the idea of maybe at the time there's people they needed to build things. Of course. And of course, if you are the people building stuff, you're making a lot of money. And also, when you think about conspiracies, people talk about bankers who you know, had money.

And they were, like, all the groups that had power, you know, this, yeah, that had power grow because they were making money are always the ones that are like, they're the ones who are controlling everything. But that's, it seems very, again, they were. 1600s coded. Yeah. Yeah. It is.

It is. It is that. I, like, it just feels so weird to me that that's, that's what it all is. Just, I'm not even making like a cultural reference. It just is that. It is the Hellfiel Club from X-Men. Yeah, I mean, yeah. So with his goal to, like, overthrow the government, the Masonic Lodge or whatever.

Like a virus spreading from within. Yeah, exactly. Like the wasps, eggs inside the body. Bill Cooper, like the Agent Smith inside the Neos. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, apparently. In 17, Bill would be like, correct.

You are correct. He's like, yes. It's just like Agent Smith inside the Matrix. Actually, the Matrix was an allegory for the truth happening behind the scenes that were dated back to the great mysterious religion. Did he live to see the Matrix? I don't think they did what was really an allegory for. They would lose their minds, but whatever. Did he live to see the Matrix?

Did he? How, when did he die? I think, I think the Matrix, I don't think he did. Do you live for 9-11? He died on November 1, 2001. Oh, my God. And he saw the Matrix. Yeah.

And 9-11. He saw 9-11 and died two months later. Oh, my God. Yeah. Coincidence? Oh, shit. Yeah. And how he died.

In the chaos, they got him finally. We'll talk about it next week. There are aspects of his life. We're like, what happened? Like, did something weird happen with this guy? Because, like, even his death is, we'll get to it next week. Is this the 9-11 guy? I think it is.

I'm going to, I don't remember. We'll get to it. Yeah, I think there's a guy that I'm thinking of that might be this guy. So in 1782, at a Masonic Congress in Wilhelmsbad, Germany, they apparently did overthrow the Masonic Lodge. Bill says that the year the Illuminati and Freemasonry became one thing is that year, and that every important lodge in Europe was theirs from that day on. And then in 1785, a courier for the order riding across Bavaria with the plans for the takeover of France sewn into his coat was struck by lightning and killed. And the Bavarian police found the papers on the body. And they raided the lodges.

And they published what they found. And they sent copies to every crowned head in Europe. And the Illuminati was then outlawed. And four years later, the French Revolution happened anyway on schedule exactly the way the papers on the dead courier had said it would. Is that true? Is there any evidence of this? Like any?

Like literally any evidence? He's just smiling. He's just smiling and looking into next week. folks. He's just smiling and looking into the distance. I can make shit up too. Come on now. And then the letter came to

struck by lightning. What the fuck? By lightning. And then the Bavarian police found him and then saw the plans and then mailed out the plan. Lightning. What's a believable way for a career to get taken out? And then it all got to the U.S. Bill's proof.

Sir, surely says, an easier way. Maybe we just hire someone to kill him. No. Mine. Take his leg and leave him alive. Check on him later. Threaten him. If he's learned his lesson.

Secrets must stay safe. We're crawling through the script, bro. Bill's proof that the secret societies had made their way to the U.S. was from a letter from George Washington. October. Right. The first five minutes of National Treasure, we've all seen. We've all seen this.

We got your letter. We are go. Operation wooden teeth is ready to take off. I cannot tell a lie. Let's get it. October 1798, a minister in Maryland had written to him worried about the Illuminati, and Washington wrote back and said, and this part is actually real, you can go look this up, that he did not doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati had spread to the United States. Bill puts that letter in the book and just kind of let it speak for itself because he knows that any reader, my opinion, reading it is going to immediately be like, oh my God, George Washington knew? Then of course it's real. Because this is evidence that the very first president of the United States is hands down confirming the Illuminati right here in this letter. And once he has the readers there, Bill says you can watch

them build from here. So you've got the great seal. If you look at the back of the, okay, does he even say this shit or does he just lay it out in a, in the theatrical order so that you can draw, no, it's a mix, dude. It's literally a mix. It's fucked. That's why what I say this book is fucking impossible to read casually. It is a mix of just documents there with minimal, like, italicized notes at the very

top of the page or the bottom of the page. Like I said, it is a mix of him monologuing at you, which I imagine is him grabbing me by the collar and screaming at me the whole time. And then just a madman's notations on endless government documents. It's the book fucking sucks. But like for the show, it's a fascinating read. You know, when I can like hopefully turn it into something somewhat digestible. But the next thing we're going to get to, though, is what Bill says you can look for with more evidence.

The Illuminati is here. So you've probably heard some of the stuff before. And some of the stuff you've mentioned earlier. First is the Great Seal. take a dollar bill if you look at the back of a dollar bill there's a pyramid with 13 layers in no top and floating above where the top should be is an eye inside a triangle the this is how you know this was all prophesized cheluminati to arrive yeah uh this symbol because it's just that symbol we took it and turned into a stoneer eye i i'm gonna let you finish but as a teacher

i do actually know why it's the way it is oh well yeah i'm i'm i'm like excited to hear. But for this, yeah, so we've got floating above an eye inside a triangle. And under the pyramid, it says, Novus Ordu Secularum, which Bill translates as New World Order. And above it, and we coeptus, he has favored, he has favored our undertaking. And Bill's question is, who's undertaking and whose eye? The pyramid bill says is the mystery schools straight out of Egypt. The missing capstone is the plan unfinished. And the eye is Lucifer watching the work get done.

And that design was put on the dollar bill in 1935 by two Freemasons, Franklin Roosevelt, and his agriculture secretary Henry Wallace. And Bill's point is that they didn't even try to hide it. They put all the plans in symbolic sigils. right inside your wallet. But who put the spider there in the corner? Fuck. Jesse, would you like to explain the real reason the eye is there?

Yeah. Yeah. So this is pretty easy. All the visual representations on it, think of the time period. The art deco stylings, all the different things. Like, that's why it looks kind of the way it is. But it's real simple, y'all. There were 13 colonies.

And there are 13 steps. and the reason why the pyramid is unfinished because the nation was unfinished. And it is them saying, we are still building this thing. And the eye at the top is literally the symbolic eye of providence. It is a thing that has been around for thousands of years. And it's literally like the eye of God watching it all happen. And they're saying, hey, man, he's watching us. And we're trying to do a good thing here.

And we're trying to create a better nation. and that's why it says like out of many one on the dollar and all sorts of things like it literally is a hey we're working on a country and we're trying to make it awesome that's all it is that's all it means it isn't like uh yeah like there's a reason why and i know you're thinking like well there's 13 degrees and this but there's also seven days in a week but are you saying that that's like i mean everything we do like the number seven is very biblical and it's like well obviously it's secret like no they just liked to you that like seven is a chill number and seven is used a lot in things and if it just happens to have a little god power in it great like that's that's the way people think it isn't like and it was all the conspiracy what is what is the craziest thing that a mason has ever done like like they have the crazy that you know about they have the crazy reputation but that's exactly what i'm saying what is like the craziest thing that has actually happened that a freemason has gotten in like what's the what's the peak of their world?

world, like world-shattering involvement. Like, isn't it just like basically just like bomb-ass barbecues and like getting your rights taken care of by like. Yeah, it's almost like the shriner's, dude. They just kind of, as far as I'm aware from what my grandfather told me that we get together to drink. And that's it. Now, could he have been part of a secret organization?

He was keeping a secret for me? Sure, man. Some people were fine with the beers and other people needed to make crazy initiation rituals. and connect your Stone Mason order to the orders of hundreds of years ago. And just all the other edgly non, like pre-cringed stuff that there is. Yeah. And you have to imagine like with any organization, there are those who would use it for their own benefit. And probably, sure, man, I bet you could find one or two dudes, maybe more in the masons or any organization who were like, I'm a bad person.

Yeah. Most of clowns, mostly clowns, fascists, Nazis, monsters. But yeah, they're out there. Yeah. Sure, man. But it is, I don't know that that is the, I don't know that it's an Illuminati thing. But again, you can get away with saying the Illuminati is doing this and this and this. Because real rich people do have secret clubs.

Like there's a very famous, I think it's like a New England. golf club slash like society thing where it's all old money and they reject everyone. They don't. I think the reason why I know about this now is because they rejected Ivanka and her husband because they're like, we don't want you, you cause too much drama. And that, it's like, oh, why don't they want them in there? I think because old money just protects old money. Yeah, agree.

They just don't want people to talk about them because they've got so much. much money. They don't want to be on the front page of stuff. And that's sure, that sucks. And that's awful. They probably do terrible things. But that's, you know, I don't know that they're like, we've gathered together. Who do we kill me this week? I don't know that that's happening. Why do they need to kill anybody? It's crazy. Yeah. Well, the next thing he talks about is the skull and bones. The Yale Society founded in 1832. And Bill says it's number 32 is a chapter number, meaning it's chapter 32 of something older in Germany. It's also a hotel room.

And that it is the American recruiting office for the order. And it's members, he says, run the State Department and the CIA and the banks. And he names one in particular, one in particular, a bonesman from the class of 1948, who went into the oil business in Texas, then into Congress, then ran the CIA, then became the vice president, and then the president, remember the name. Oh, George Bush. In almost every act from here on out. Yeah, George Bush.

I also would like to say that George W. Bush was a part of Skull and Bones. And if that's the case, I don't think they got the, they were like, come on, W. I get it. You're like, all right, that is. I'm not going to be here. I'm not going to remember of the Skollbone Society. The Council on Foreign Relations founded in 1921 in New York, which Bill calls the shadow government's personnel office, because.

he says that for 60 years, almost every secretary of state and almost every secretary of defense and almost every CIA director and most of the Federal Reserve came out of its membership roles and that nobody who wasn't in it has run American foreign policy since Roosevelt. So what you're saying is Washington is exactly like Hollywood and that's who you know. Yeah, exactly. And all those kids that went to Harvard and Yale and all that stuff, just happened to get the jobs because they know people is what you're saying. Something like that.

But really it's skull and bones. Really it's called. It's because somebody knew someone 300 years ago is why. Another one of the group. Yeah, exactly. And another one of the groups that's secret society is now in the U.S. The Bilderberg group. There you go.

Found in 1954 at a hotel in Holland by a Dutch prince who had been a member of the Nazi party in which meets once a year in total secrecy with the heads of every major bank and government in the West. Bill says this is where the silent weapons doctrine was adopted. Same year, same meeting, all in 1954 I told you before. It's all that's supposed to happen right there. Then you got the trilateral commission from 1973, David Rockefeller and Brazinski,

which Bill says was created to bring Japan into the club because you cannot run a world government with only Europe and America in the room. And above all of it, and inside all of it, Bill says, there's an inner circle in this country, a group of maybe a, few dozen men that he calls the Jason Society or the Jason Scholars or they're all named Jason.

That's one of the reasons that they exist and they can float. And they can float. Or he calls them. They said it's called the Order of the Quest depending on where you're reading. Drawn from Skull and Bones and its sister society at Yale from Harvard from the Rhodes Scholarships that Cecil Road set up specifically to train the administrators of a one world state. That's where all these people are drawn from. Road Scholars are part of the Illuminati. Mm-hmm. Congrats.

Smart people. Smart people and rich people. Root scholars are the pool they draw from. So not all road scholars are part of the Illuminati, but all those scholars are potential members. Right, right. These are like the people who actually know. And when we get to the aliens that we will get to, these are the people who are the ones signing the treaties. I forgot we were going towards aliens.

Bro, I'm telling, we've been taking pit stops every like paragraph of this fucking script. far. He says, Bill says what the order actually wants. Um, and what people don't really, I think, get out of like the UFO segment is like, he says the goals of the Illuminati have been the same sense why shopped, wrote them down. And there are six. And they are the abolition of all ordered government, the abolition of private property, the abolition of inheritance, the abolition of patriotism, the abolition of the family, and the abolition of religion, all of it. Everything that stands between an individual person and the state and the end, you replace it with what else, the one world government run by the enlightened over a population that has been

educated out of the ability to object. This is fascism endgame, basically. Like, extremely complicated fascism. Fascism, but like the genius fascism. Like the fascism with like, rising within circuit societies, eeping itself into our systems and taking over, like you said earlier, like a virus. It's like a masturbatory power fantasy version of fascism for a bunch of smart and rich people. I have a question. Uh-huh.

And it may, maybe I'm seeing a contradiction here, but I have a quick. What? Contradiction in Bill Cooper's world? The Illuminati, as an example, wants to destroy religion, which is bad, according to him. However, he stated that all religion is a lie because Lucifer was the good guy and God is a tyrant. So wouldn't the destruction of religion be good? Well, no, because the knowledge given them to humanity buys Lucifer in that religion is how they even came into power in the first place. He's saying his religion is true.

He's saying all the other ones are wrong. And all the elites will continue worshipping that religion, but they don't want any sort of like hope. or bastion for the civilized person. The only thing they care about is the government. They're a complete cattle to the government. So they don't want to give them religion, which would give them a sense of self or spirituality or something beyond the government to look to.

You wipe out religion. Only the elites know the truth. And you never tell everybody beneath you the truth of reality. But you want them to have religion. My head hurts. I don't worry. It seems like you want to secretly. You want to secretly get them to follow.

your religion, but destroy their own so they have no way of defeating you. All right, man. You bred and circus them to death. They don't need to believe in your religion if it's true, and you're just carrying out the will of a real entity. Because what people, again, what Bill says at the top of the book, too, is you're forgetting people as a whole don't want to think. They just want to follow. So his logic is coming that these people don't really want to think for themselves.

They don't want to think about, like, religion or any of these other things. If you just give them entertainment. Just let us take care of it. They'll just be happy cows on a farm because they want to think. And the people who do want to have objective, critical thought because of Lucifer's enlightenment or what have you, we'll do the real work and lead these people. Because the other problem is they want it. They want to be led, but people don't know they want to be led.

You can't like, they have to just be like stupidly brought into being led because they won't give you if you go we're going to lead you now they most people won't consent even though like subconsciously people most people just want to be led so they don't have to have to trick them into following your by dumbing them down and giving them entertainment and brain like doing all these things that we were just talking about you have to teach them about movies and wiping away religion is part of that because yeah it gives them some too much you got to get them angry about video you keep them fighting each other all right i mean it's it's it's crazy to me that a lot of people

their complaint with religion is that it is that you're following religion not Jesse at the end of the day you are correct like at the end of the day you know, you're right, you're right but like logically we can't this is not the world through a rationalist mind

and this is the world through Bill Cooper's eyes. I just, all right. Milton Bill. All right. Milton Bill C. So we want to abolish all of this stuff. Everything that stands between the individual person and the state and you replace it with a world government run by the enlightened over a

population that has been unable to object at this point. He says you can already see the scaffolding coming into place, the United Nations, the One World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, every treaty that exists that hands a piece of national decision making to an international body is evidence that they're building the scaffolding for this one world government takeover. Every time an American president says the words, world order in a speech and Bill has a specific one in mind, which we'll get to, is them caught, like, secretly, not so secretly telling people we're going to go toward a one world order. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right. Let that simmer. We'll move on. Secretly. What is there to say? It's literally one of the greatest conspiracy theories ever. And our boy, Alex Jones, was on that for 30 years. It doesn't make any more or less sense than it did before.

There's never been a single person mentioned. No. Well, Mr. Rothschild. Oh, yeah. And George Soros. Not yet. Right. Not yet. The vaguely ethnic-sounding names that are coming to take over your country. Exactly, correct. We got a couple more short documents, and it's the end of secret societies at this point.

The first one is Bill calls and titles the oath of initiation of an unidentified secret order. And he's very careful in the book to say he won't tell you. which order or how he got it. It's just an oath that he got a hold of course. For an order. Basically, it's like an order. Like, picture like any oath that like you take, you're stereotypical on your knees in the dark,

a blade near your throat kind of thing. And what the initiate swears to is to hold the order above his family, his country, above his own, very own life, to obey any command from any superior without asking why. And to accept that if he ever betrays the order, his own brothers will kill him,

and that he consents to it in advance. advance. Bill doesn't give any annotations to this fucking thing. He just puts it in the fucking book and moves on. This is one of those things where he just fucking, there's nothing, there's no context around this thing. He just puts it in. One of the other documents is

the secret treaty of Verona, 1822. And this one, Bill gets from, sorry, Jesse just made a face. And this one, Bill gets from the congressional record because a United States Senator named Robert Owen read it into the record in 1960. The treaty is between the great monarchies at the time of Europe, after Napoleon, Austria, and Prussia, and Russia, and France.

And Bill's summary of it is that the crowned heads and the church agreed in writing to work together to destroy representative government wherever it existed, because a people who govern themselves would eventually stop meeting kings or priests, and the treaty explicitly had its eye on the new public across the Atlantic. Bill's point is that the Monroe Doctrine was the American answer to that and that the war between the order and the American idea has been running on paper since 1822. So were the heroes fighting the good fight against the New World Order? I think he's getting at that it's our, there's two different secret societies at war with each other here. Two sinister fascistic societies. Yes. Okay.

And ours is the right one. Right. Or at least they see themselves with the right one. Remember, Bill doesn't think any of them they're right. They're all evil. He wants, he's a, he's a man of the people. He wants to represent. Exactly. He's just a common man. Trying to get the truth out to everybody. There's also another place. The Red Grove, a Redwood Grove north of San Francisco on the Russian River, about 2,700 acres. And every summer for over 100 years, the most powerful men, as we've talked about there, you guys were talking about this. The most powerful men in America have gone up there for two weeks to drink and put on plays and piss on trees. It's called Bohemian Grove. Coconut Grove, baby. Yep. I wasn't there for that episode either. It's a bummer that I would have loved that episode.

It's a good one. It's a private club. And Bill says two things about it. He says that the presidents and the CIA directors and the bankers who go up there are the same men who sit on the committees that run the alien problem. and that the grove is where a lot of the real business gets done in the woods where there are no, like, observers, it's just them. They kind of just, there's no minutes there. There's focus on everything. And he says that on the first night of the encampment in front of a 40-foot stone owl with robed figures and torches,

they hold a ceremony called the cremation of care in which an effigy is burned before the owl, and Bill leaves it to you to decide what kind of religion holds the services in front of a, 40 foot owl and just reminds you in the book that the men who run your country stand in front of it every July and sing it's again by the way where it's like I'm not saying it what's happening I'm just saying you decide that owl by the way speaks with the voice of Walter Cronkite just so you know actually legitimately amazing and the bohemian grove club started because everybody there when he says everybody sings and stuff they do but they also have to all be in like performances and all these other things.

Yeah. It's very ritualistic a sound. Well, it's, they're just like musical performances and follies and stuff like that and comedy performances and stuff like that skits. But it's because it started as a theatrical society of artists, but it didn't have any money. And so to keep it going,

they just kept bringing in rich people to, like, finance it and like gassing them up and giving them like stuff to do until that's like everybody in the organization is like a rich guy who's like, they can just sidestep the. entire artist part now if they want, but it's like actually that they like the Harry Potter ass, like weird quidditch fucking camp in the woods where they like drink champagne and eat caviar in the woods like fucking freaks. Yeah. Legit. Larting. Legit. Yeah. I'm trying to, I'm trying to find what it was called, but wasn't Sam Altman and all the tech guys doing the

exact same thing recently and they got caught? Yeah. And it was kind of like they had celebrities and politicians, will show up. It's just, I think it's just rich people. Wasn't Hakeem Jeffries doing this stuff? Yes. That was the text where Hakeem Jeffries was in that whole group. Here's the problem. Yeah. Like, here's the problem.

It isn't just one. It's everyone was rich. It's, yeah, the club is small and none of us are in it. Like none of them. Yeah. Very George Carlin. Yes. The man was right on.

Correct. Yes. The more unbearable life becomes for the average person, like the average, like, non-millionaire, a bigillionaire person. The more conspiratorial any number of rich people hanging out is. It's insane. I know this is a tangent. We got to get into the episode. But like it is crazy how

the rich people ruined it for themselves because they just kept middle class happy and like people taking care of. Institutions. Culture would still be here. Libraries. People would be still like looking up to rich people as like something they could eventually be one day.

Public works. It would just be like it's so easy. But no. Socialism. Like greed got to be greed and they just ruin it for themselves. It honestly feels a little bit like Great Gatsby, where in that book, it's new money versus old money. And new money is trying so hard to fit in with old money that they keep acquiring things and showing off and trying to. And it's the same vibe.

Right now, all the old money people are like, we don't like you. And all the new money people are like, look, I'm going to buy six more boats. He's like, and they don't have to like me. He's like, I'd like to come to one of your, one of your parties. I'd like to, if you could just get me involved in one of your island parties, I hear they're really. really cool party. I think it really comes down to it's still like high school.

Even though it's at a billionaire level, it's still like, but I just want to be liked by my fellow billionaires. Oh, God. All right. So I'll be the richest billionaire. They'll have to like me. It seems like we should get rid of these guys.

Like we should not be around. We shouldn't have that much money, I think. Tax 100% I think over $100 million. Anyway, now we're going to move out as to secret societies in the early 1900s, late 1800s, and we're going to move to January, 1947, January 6th, 2020.

Between January, 947, and December, 1952, because according to the documents, Bill read in the vault, the United States government recovered 16 crashed or shot down alien spacecraft, 65 alien bodies in one alien who was still alive. That's right, we're moving from secret societies to aliens. Oh, yeah.

So there we were, trying to tick over the world from the inside when all of a sudden to my left an alien spacecraft landed right down next to us could you believe it it's exactly that 16 craft 65 bodies one survivor and bill basically it's like the first page of the next chapter that he calls quote the secret government and he give them did that have a question mark in it no it's just so no it's no no question mark Secret government. I thought you were like, it's called the secret government? The secret government?

Because like, let's be honest. It's not. It should have a question mark next. You definitely needs one. So this is where he talks about 19 July, 1947, a ranch outside Roswell, New Mexico. The Army Air Force puts out a press release saying they've recovered a flying disc and then takes it back the next day and says it was a weather balloon all real. We talked about that when we did our Roswell stuff. Bill says the disc was real and that there were bodies in it and that the balloon story was the first lie of the cover up and one of its clumsiest because they hadn't had any practice yet.

The reason why this Roswell is still kind of messy and there's bits and pieces that don't match up is because the government, this is a trial run for the government. They haven't had to cover up aliens before. This is them getting some practice in. Yeah, Capstone was not yet on the pyramid. Exactly. Their great mission is not complete. Wait, so I guess, never mind, this is unimportant to us, but it does bring up a topic that I keep thinking about, which is if we are saying the United States, the first time we took out an alien was in the 40s. Yeah.

That until that time, there were no alien crashes. Aliens were really, their tech was great until about the 1940s. Well, the real ones. that point. The real ones all have a look, right? But before that, it was just like, whoever. Right? Like, there wasn't like a common alien encounter before Roswell, right?

And a lot of things. Oh, do you think it was like those were the alien hipsters and everyone kind of found out about Earth and so everyone started showing up? Yeah. I think there's also the theories like, oh, humans started just getting a little too dangerous when we started learning how to split the atom. So they had to get involved? So they started getting involved?

They waited a couple of years. see if it was real and then they decided, you know what? Yeah. It's 1947. Let's get in there. We should just get in there right now. They were like, well, let's wait for them to drop it on each other for a little. A few years, see what they do with each other out, do some test explosions, you know, that

kind of thing. We saw them do it once, but they're not, guys, they're not going to do it a second time. Oh, my God. Yeah. They did it twice. All right, let's wait a little longer. Let's see what they. Now we got to get in there.

So he says the reason the government even like allowed a day or two of news coverage where it was a flying saucer, the government was just sloppy. They hadn't gotten good at this yet. But crashes kept happening mostly in the southwest. And Bill's explanation for why is that the disks had a problem with our radar. Something about the frequencies we were using for air defense interfered with whatever was keeping these flying saucers in the air. So for a few years in the late 40s, every time the Air Force lit up a new radar installation in the desert, something fell out of the sky near it. And in 1949, one of the things that fell out of the sky near Roswell had a source.

survivor. They call it EBE, extraterrestrial biological entity. Later, when there were more, this became known as EBE1. And EBE has come from this and eaped its way into UFOUFology in different theories and in different stories across UFOology. He's in a movie now. He's in a major motion picture now. They call it an EBE in the in Disclosure Day? If they didn't, I have a false memory that they did. And I do believe that that dude that wheeled out was in fact him. But I'm not saying. That's supposed to.

That's kind of fun. I'm not going to lie. That's kind of fun. You're actually right. I completely, you think you're right. I don't want to watch that movie again, but I will watch that last scene.

If you can just get around a guy who's not very good at hiding, you can watch the movie again. I honestly, I'm so glad. Those scoreboard, those scoreboard was pretty good at hiding. I got to say their guns pointed at her, but still let the person run past them with the

device and give it to her even though they were surrounded by military. Psychic powers, dude. My greatest joy is that TikTok and social media have picked up on this movie and they keep posting footage of that guy hiding and it cracks me up every time. I don't know how that scene was filmed and people thought that was fine. Guys, it's insane. It's insane. I think somebody needs to go like film that, like, area from like several directions and

see how it looked, line of sight was. Because maybe maybe that dude is so. hidden and we are just, maybe we, maybe we just don't know. Maybe there's a tree that's not in the shot. If you can see them, they can see you. That's like, unless, you know, you're one of the original. Unless you're EBE. He wasn't like camouflage.

She was hiding behind a fence. Is that why they can always see me behind the curtains? Is that why? Yeah. In the wings, lurking. Yeah, you were in the wings and you kept looking out, like, what's going on out there? Yeah. That was on you.

So this thing got, so this thing EBE won was described as small, gray, big head, almond eyes. You know what the fucking gray looks like at this point. He was taking smile. Yeah, devilishly good looking cute laugh. Yeah. EBE was taken to Los Alamos in the nuclear lab because Los Alamos already had the security to keep this thing away. And it was kept there for about three years for, and for most of that time. We apparently were trying to talk to it.

Like, the government was trying to talk to it. Then it got sick. In 1951, it started to fail, and the doctors couldn't figure out why, because the doctors were human doctors, and the EBE wasn't built like anything a doctor had ever seen. Its body chemistry, Bill said, was based on chlorophyll. It ran on something closer to what a plant runs on. So they brought in a botanist, a man bill named as Dr. Guillermo Mendoza, who became, by default, the world's first and only expert in alien biology and who did everything he could,

but it wasn't enough. Real guy? And EBE died in June of 1952. We'll worry about that another time. He's not like a guy who, like, has published 100 books about this and his... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. christened by this event to be like the guy who gets to pretend like he knows about this? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Bill says that while EBE was dying, the government started. broadcasting into space radio signals aimed at nothing in every direction trying to reach whoever this alien belonged to, EBE phone home style, and tell them that, hey, we got your guy here. He's sick and we need your help. Dodson. We got Dotson here. We got Dotson.

That was the beginning of what he called Project Sigma. And while it didn't work, I know, Project Sigma, he's a little different. He's a little different. And he's not like those other alpha projects. His masculinity is intact, but hidden, secret. So while they sent out the signal, while it didn't work in time, somebody did hear it. Now, who was in charge of all this? Because at the time, it would have been Truman, I think was the president.

And certainly the president didn't know about this. On September 24th, 1947, two months after Roswell, Bill says Harry Truman signed a secret executive order creating a group to handle the alien problem. And the group was 12 men and it was called the Majestic 12, which in recent developments that we've talked about is fascinating, knowing that there is some legitimacy. Like we know, it's crazy. They were something. They were something. But you have to keep in mind, too, Majestic 12, at the time this book is coming out, the Majestic 12 is already kind of publicly known.

It was in the 80s that it came out. So he's taking something that existed and actually actively fitting it into his thing. It doesn't mean the Majestic 12 documents are phony. It does mean that Majestic 12 documents are not part of what he's saying that they are part of. But he says in the documents, the president himself is referred to by a code name. The code name is Majesty. The 12 were in Bills telling the 12 smartest and best connected men in the American government. and we're going to go over just a few of them.

They're names that we have heard before as well because we've gone over the MJ12 before. You've got Roscoe Hillen-Cotter, who was the first director of the brand-new CIA, which had been created that same summer. Van Over Bush, who had run the entire American scientific effort, including the bombs. James Forrestle was supposedly in the Majestic 12 documents,

the first Secretary of Defense. Generals Nathan Twinning and Hoyt Vandenberg, the men running the air, Air Force and Detlev-Bronk, a physiologist who'd go on the run, who'd go on the run, who'd go on to run the Rockefeller Institute. Donald Menzel, a Harvard astronomer who spent the rest of his public life loudly explaining that UFOs weren't real, which Bill says was his job assigned to him, and a handful of others out of the intelligence services in the Pentagon's research arm.

And one of them didn't last. Forrestle, James Forrestle, Bill says, had a problem. with the secrecy. He thought the American people had the right to know and he thought the Constitution didn't have an exemption for aliens and he said so. And in 1949, he was quietly removed as Secretary of Defense and then a couple months later checked into Bethesda Naval Hospital with what the government called a nervous breakdown. And on the night of May 22nd, 1949, he went out a 16th floor window. Official story for his death is suicide. Bill's story is that the CIA agents came into his room, tied a bed sheet around his neck, and put him through

the window. And that his diaries were seized by the government that same night and rewritten before they were ever shown to anyone. And that from that night on, every man on MJ12 understood exactly what the retirement plan for the rest of them looked like. So was it, so, okay, is this the same trope that I've now heard a couple times in his work of like, was Forrestall the 13th Majestic? And then actually, like, he was like the weird one that has the truth. He wasn't the 13th majestic. He was just one of the original MJ12.

Okay, okay. So he was one that felt guilty about it, wanted to tell people. And so he got killed. They got suicided for it, quote unquote. Crazy. So from 1947 to about 1952, you have kind of a crazy situation with the aliens, you know, the crashes and the bodies. Now we got the dying one in Los Alamos.

And the MJ12 are now terrified. And then two things happened that turned it into the Majestic 12 into a temporary institution, into a permanent institution. The first is that Truman creates the National Security Agency, November 4, 1952, secret executive order, no act of Congress. And Bill says the NSA's first in real purpose, the thing that it was built for was to decode the mysterious alien language. Project Sigma had gotten signals back at this point.

Nobody could read them. So Truman built the largest code-breaking organization in human history to read them. And everything the NSA has done since, every phone call that's listened to, is a side business. And Bill says the NSA was written into existence in such a way that it is exempt from every law in the United States, unless the law names the NSA specifically, which no law ever does. The second thing is that Eisenhower gets elected and Ike's a soldier. He likes a chain of command. And when he gets briefed on the alien problem, Bill says he's horrified not so much by the aliens as by how it's being run by a dozen men and a dying prisoner in no structure.

So Eisenhower does what he knows how to do, which is delegate. And the man he delegates to is Nelson Rockefeller. Bill says this is where the worst decision Eisenhower ever made happened because Rockefeller was the order. Rockefeller was the money and the counsel on foreign relations. and the whole apparatus we spent the last bit of this episode talking about and what Rockefeller built on Eisenhower's authority was a permanent secret government that answered only to the MJ12, and MJ12 was now staffed out of the Jason Scholars,

and the Jason Scholars were the order's inner circle, and the president was told what they wanted him to be told. Bill gives you the paperwork, and in March of 1954, the National Security Council issued a directive number 5412, which created a small committee to oversee covert operations without the president having to know all the details. And Bill says the committee is the secret government. It's been renamed four times the 5-412 committee, then the special group, then the 303 committee, then the 40 committee. And under Reagan, it was the PI 40.

Same men, all from the same MJ12 group, just different leatherhead, different name. And Bill's line is that Eisenhower was the last president of the United States who knew. everything. Everyone after him only got summaries. Make sense? I mean, yes, I'm following you. Okay. Yeah. 1953, astronomers find something. Large objects moving through the solar system toward Earth. The first assumption is asteroids and then they change course. And by the end of the year, Bill says they've been tracking into a very high orbit around the equator. And there's more than one of them and they're big. So Project Sigma has finally got a conversation going with whoever's inside

this thing. Bill says that at almost the same moment, we get a second visitor from a different alien race, one that's human looking, tall, fair-skinned, the ones the UFO world now calls the Nordics, and they landed, made contact, and came with a warning. They said that things in orbit could not be trusted. They said we should have nothing to do with them, and they made an offer, which was that they would help us spiritually and help us grow on one condition, which was that we dismantle our nuclear weapons. Every single one, no exception.

And the United States said, no. Bill says, we said, they're like, fuck that shit. Hell no. Yeah, which I can almost believe that happening. And then so Bill says we said no because we were terrified of the Soviets and we weren't going to hand over the one thing keeping them across the ocean on the say so of a stranger. And because the Nordics were offering wisdom, nothing you could fly and fight with. And Eisenhower's people didn't want wisdom either. They wanted the other guys ships.

So the Nordics left and we made a date with the things in orbit. February 1954, Holland Air Force Base, New Mexico. This is the first landing. The beings who got out of that craft in the sky were the grays. But they were a different sort of grays from the EBE. They were longer, taller. They had long noses.

Bill calls them the large nose grays. And he says they told us they came from a planet orbiting a red star in the constellation Orion, the one we call Beetlejuice, and that their planet was dying. and their species with it was dying and that they had been looking for somewhere to go for a very long time. A basic understanding was reached at

Holland Air Force Base and then a week or so later, the president came to meet them himself. Long-nosed aliens are a new one. I think our alien repertoire. I just Squidward asked like aliens and aliens. The big-nosed aliens

came to our country. Meanwhile, they're like, but thankfully, the tall whites are out there willing to save us from them we turned down the tall white right so on february philippigus alien is the ones you got to believe so february 20th 1954 isanhauer is on vacation in palm springs california and on the evening of the 20th he vanishes the press corps loses him he's gone for hours and when he reappreeperes the next morning the white house explains that he had a chip tooth on a chicken bone at dinner and he had to be rushed to the local dentist.

We literally covered this. This is Bill's version of this. Bill says that where Eisenhower actually was was Edwards Air Force Base a couple hours away in the desert and that on the tarmac of Edwards that night, the president of the United States met the leader of an alien delegation and signed a treaty. The alien in charge introduced himself with a title. And Bill actually gives us the title. And the title is, his omnipotent highness, Krull.

Krull? It's K R-L-L-L-L-L-L. Sorry, three L-L-L-L-L-L. I don't like that. I don't want Like a high school Spanish teacher. K-R-L-L-L. We're told that it is unpronounceable,

so our people just call him krill. Like the French? French, what am I saying? Like the shrimp? Yeah, like the shrimp. I was like, I don't know about the French. Like the shrimp. I don't know what happened to my,

I don't know what happened to my brain just now, but I'm melting it. I'm actively destroying your minds. I love a good French with tartar sauce. Oh, yeah. Get some cocktails, dip a French guy in cocktail. You know what? Maybe that's what shrimp fries came from. That's the technology they gave us.

They were like, wait a minute. Alex is a genius. So Bill says the Air Force men who had to deal with a krill, deal with him on a daily basis, were less formal than that and stuck and stuck him with the nickname O.H. Krill or original hostage

krill because part of the deal was that this omnipotent Highness Krill was that he was going to stay with us. So he stayed as he was like a guarantee and we sent people to go stay with them.

We got a little bit on the treaty and what was on the treaty according to Bill. The aliens won. The aliens would interfere with our affairs and we would not interfere with theirs two we would keep their presence on earth a secret three we would give us uh they would give us technology and help us with our technological development four they would make no treaty with any other nation on earth we were to be their exclusive partner five they would be permitted to abduct humans on a limited and periodic basis for the purpose of medical examination and monitoring our development on the condition

that the humans were not harmed or returned to where they were taken from and we're left with no memory of it. And the aliens would provide MJ12 with a list of everyone they took. And one, two, three, four, five, six, we would build them bases underground on our land. And they would share some of those bases with us so that our scientists could work alongside them and learn. Two more things came out of that night as well. The aliens handed over what Bill calls the yellow book, a device that when you looked into it projected the history of their race and of hours and of everything they knew as images you could walk through and our side started keeping a summary of everything we learned from them updated every few years called the red book which is the

thing new presidents get shown if they get shown anything at all the book of secrets the second movie dude that's the one that's the one that one took him out yeah that's that one it's that one uh the so where did the bases get put well we know the first and biggest was in Nevada at a dry lake bed called Groom Lake inside the Air Force's test range at a facility that had officially been built the year after the treaty to test the U2 spy plane. Its code name in the documents was Dreamland, and the world knows it now by its grid designation on the old atomic energy commission map, Area 51. A few miles south of there at a site called S4, which is where what's his face supposedly

worked at. Oh my God. Famous guy who says he worked on not Greer. Stephen Greer is not the guy I'm thinking of. Bill Tompkins. Nope. Nope. Oh shit.

Lou Elzon later. No, but like in that circle. Like the guy who's who was like MIT but couldn't find his records. Oh, fuck. Put a jet on his car. I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah. What's his name? What's his name? Oh. Yeah. have to look. I wouldn't want to look. I know it sucks that I'm not, it's not coming up and I know his name. It's on the tip of my tongue.

Supposedly S4 called S4. It was dug into a side of a mountain. Bob Lazar. Thank you. This is where he supposedly worked was S4. Doug into the side of a mountain was a facility where the alien craft were kept. And Bill says the code name for S4 was the dark side of the moon. Another one in northern New Mexico near a small town called Dultze. We did a whole episode on the secret Dulce base wars. And then all of it was under the security of a unit bill calls Delta, which he's careful to say is a different thing from the Delta force you've heard of, men with no insignia

who guarded the bases and cleaned up after crashes. And Bill says made problems, quote unquote, go away. And the projects that they all worked on, Bill says the majority document listed all the projects. We're not going to go through the entire thing in detail, just list the projects. We've got Aquarius, which was the umbrella project. Everything alien was under Aquarius. Sigma, communication with aliens.

Plato, diplomacy with aliens. Pounce was crash recovery. Red Light was the program to fly the alien craft ourselves in some way. Snowbird was the cover for red light. Garnet was research into the aliens that had done what aliens had done to human evolution. Luna was the base on the far side of the moon, and it was their base, aliens. Adam and Eve were what we built once we learned enough to leave, like leave our own solar system.

Excalibur and Joshua were weapons. And the fact that they were weapons is kind of telling in and of itself. Last piece of this piece, where did all the money come from? Because Bill is very detailed about that. If they were going to build secret governments for bases for the stuff, the money has to come from somewhere. And Bill's answer is a thing that Bill's answer is because it was because of the drugs. Remember how we talked about you saw all the drugs getting moved by the CIA?

He links that to what funds this stuff. All the drug running and all the CIA stuff that they do, that black money that is unaccounted for is what's secretly funding all these black site projects. So they're doing like drug busting, but it involves drug sales that they're pocketing the money for? Yes, exactly. He says MJ12 needed a source of money that didn't go through Congress, and the CIA had that, and it was the one Bill had seemed for himself in Vietnam, heroin, later cocaine, and he says, and the mechanism, he says that Goddard all was oil. There was a company called Zapata, or Zapata offshore, which drilled in the Gulf of Mexico from platforms out at sea, and Bill says that platforms out at sea are the single best drug transshipment point ever devised. because there's no customs on an oil rig.

So a boat from Columbia comes alongside, offloads to the oil rig, a supply boat takes it to the mainland with the rest of the freight, and it's never been inspected once. And the founder of the Zapata offshore, Bill says, the man who set this age up with the agency in his early 60s, in the early 60s,

was a Yale graduate and Bonesman named, Scull and Bones. Names, Mr. Bonesman. George H. H.W. Bush, who would go. on to run the CIA in 1976 and was at the moment Bill's book came out

the president of the United States. He's the one that set all this shit up. Bill says there's a retreat in Maryland deep in the woods that you can only reach by air with its own runway and its own guards and that in the document it's called the country club and that's where

MJ 12 sits down once a year or so looks at the numbers and decides who lives and who dies. Oh, that's what I was talking about the country club is the name of the thing. Oh, that Musk and all them were trying to get into, and they were like,

no, bro. Well, he also was trying to get into Epstein-R. Islands parties and shit, can I please get in? I heard that they're really fun parties. I would really like to attend. There's going to be that crazy movie about Elon Musk

that's coming out so soon. I cannot wait to watch it. It took Eisenhower about a year to figure out that he'd been kind of like taken for a ride. Bill's timeline puts it in 195. That's when the reports start coming in and they came in from ranchers first and what the ranchers are finding is cattle dead in the fields, drained of blood with their parts removed. The eyes and the tongue and the reproductive organs and the rectum with cuts so clean, the vets can't explain them and no tracks and no blood on the ground and the coyotes won't go near the carcass. And then the reports started to include people supposedly.

and Bill says that's when MJ12 understood what the grays were and why they'd come and why they wanted the bases underground. The large-nosed grays and Bill's telling actually don't eat. They absorb. They take in nutrients through their skin by bathing in a solution of hydrogen peroxide and blood. And the blood can be animal and it can be human. And the enzymes. Like the bad guy from Jupiter ascending. Yes.

Yeah, exactly, dude. Jupiter ascending. nicked this idea. Yeah. It's like, we found the origin point. It's a perfect movie. It's a perfect movie.

It's the real disclosure day. It is the real disclosure day. It is what disclosure day wish. It's what people wish disclosure day was, I think. Well, the enzymes in the blood are the thing they actually need and they can't get them anywhere else. The mutilations are feeding and the treaty had given them a place to do it out of sight

under the desert with a government that had been all right with all this. And the abductions, the treaty said limited and periodic and it said we'd get a list. Bill says the list was a fraction of the real number. He says people were being taken by the thousands and that the aliens were doing this to them that had nothing to do with medical examination, that they were taking eggs and sperm, that they were putting devices into people's heads through the nose and behind the eye that let them track.

And Bill says, and Bill says, influence the person for the rest of their lives. that's what he says implants from the aliens are there are ways for them to be tracked and influence the person from a distance and he says that when MJ 12 confronted the Grays about it the Grays explained calmly that they had

every right because they made us so they can do what they want so up until this point all of the politics were just formalities to make us feel better Yeah. I love that in this scenario, the grays are basically when you really piss off your parents. They're like, I brought you in this world.

I take you out. It's quite literally it. Bill says the aliens told MJ12 that the human race was a hybrid. They had come here in the deep past and crossbred with whatever was walking around and produced us on purpose as a project. They were just fucking amongst, too. You're telling me the aliens are bragging. Like, look, long ago, we were all horned up. We were just for fucking anything that was walking around.

Let me tell you. We were drinking in the jungle on a planet we used to like to hang out at because the animals were funny. Then one of the funny animals started looking at me and turning me on a little bit. Yeah, Glech for me looked at me and said, what if you got the antics? Yeah. How many Glegglocks do you give me if I fuck that monkey? I'll do it. But how much?

I'll do it for 35 Glegglocks. don't film me though don't put it on the blurgnet no one's ever gonna fucking find out no one's ever gonna know yeah that's what oh my god that honestly that'd be the best version of an alien origin story

is if we discovered that it isn't the reason why none of the other alien species or whatever know about us it's because two aliens banged a bunch of like primates on earth and we're like keep it a secret bro we got to keep this locked down The moon base is to block any other aliens from discovering us.

It's their big shame. They're like, oh, God, we screwed up, guys. I like to think that like that they did it. They never even told their species. So when the alien started showing up and doing experiments, like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why are they? On the other side of the moon in alien, it says, sex offender planet, do not visit.

What if that's the problem with us, though? Like, when they show up any alien, we're like, apes are too attractive to every alien. just so fuckable. I feel like this is just your fantasy. This is just what you want to have. That's what they come to discover. Humans are just incredibly fuckable. We're so hot.

Yeah, the aliens love us. That's how I feel when I wake up in the morning. And I walk slowly to the bathroom because my feet hurt still. Yeah, I really don't want this shit. I look in the mirror and I'm like, yeah. That's how I get through all this. I just imagine all those fucking bleep bluepes lusting over me from afar.

Oh, my God. Bill says the aliens told after 12 they were a hybrid race. They'd come here in the deep pass, crossbred with us, produced us on purpose as a project, and that they've been managing the project ever since and that the management included religion.

They said they had created the religions of the world or steered them and that the great figures of every faith had been their doing, and they proved it. Bill says they had, I can't look at Jesse right now. He's getting closer.

Bill says... Come on, man. You can't have it in both ways. Religion can't be fake and evil, but also the thing to control people that one group's trying to do, but then another group actually had another religion. But all religions are fake,

but also religions are real. And you need to trust them. You can't have it all. You can't do that. I'm trying to condense 500 pages into 30-some-on pages of script, okay? I can't make sense of it. If I was going to make sense of it,

it would be 500 pages. like there's just no way to make sense he contradicts himself it might not make sense that's the other thing it may just not make sense we just can't conceive of it we're too stupid

that's right but it does make sense because Lucifer in this scenario is the alien that fuck that monkey oh my god the other aliens trying to cover it up like no that was bad that's what they mean

that's what they mean when they say lucifer's fall do you think that monkey was yeah do you think the monkey was heartbroken seeing the aliens fly off the planet as they were like we got to get at it

No, he didn't. He stayed and that's what they're like, he fell, man. Yeah. Oh, you think he never even left the planet. He was like, yeah, he died here with us because he loved that monkey so much. He's buried in the top of the pyramid. Oh, shit. That's the item.

So Bill said they could prove that they were the heads of all the religion. Bill says they had a device that projected a hologram and what the hologram showed was the crucifixion. And they showed it to our people and said, we did that. That's how they proved it. killed Jesus? That's like how Bill Cooper. That's how Bill Cooper did it do. He's like, oh, yeah, I know.

I know because I know. I have the secrets. Well, no, they showed a hologram. Yeah. Because we did that. Yeah, that's us, dude. Check it out. Knowing, like, just knowing humans,

if an alien showed a hologram and said, we did that, they'd be like, bullshit. Yeah. There's no way. There's no way we'd believe that. Anyway. Bill says the grays have been manipulating humanity from for thousands of humans.

years through all the secret societies and witchcraft and magic, occult, religion, all of it. All of it was theirs. And the brotherhood of the snake was like the top of it. And here's like, all right. God damn it. I know. I know. It's so contradictory.

Okay, sure. And in 1955, he says, MJ12 realized sitting on all this knowledge that there was just no way they could fight it. The technology gap was so wide. that a war would end in an afternoon. They couldn't tell the public because the public would panic, and there'd be nothing to tell them except that we'd sold them and couldn't get them back. So the decision, Bill says, was to keep the treaty and keep the secret and install

and use every scrap of technology the Grays handed over to build something that could eventually fight them. But therein reveals the reason the Grays did a treaty in the first place is because by doing so, it gets the humans involved in a guilt-sorted way, So they'll never tell the public what's going on so they can stay secret, even if they didn't want to keep on the secret. Which brings us to the plan. What? Is there following?

No, I got a lot of them. The treaty. The treaty doesn't, it didn't matter to the aliens. They were not going to follow the treaty in the first place. The treaty for the aliens was more about getting the humans looped in because if it ever comes out that aliens are scooping them up, it will also come out that the government agreed to let aliens. They were complicit. allowing aliens to scoop them out. So now the government is in a rock between a rock and a hard place.

Either stay quiet and let the aliens do what they're going to do, which is take everybody or come out publicly and let them know aliens are taking us while simultaneously saying, yes, we also said they could take people, but it isn't as evil as they're making it out to be. That seems like the correct plan if this is a real situation, right? Aliens are genius. Oh, man. That's the thing that brings us to the real plan.

1957 in a symposium, Bill says, the Jason Scholars, the Inner Circle, the Order Scientists, were assembled and asked one question by the MJ12, which was, how long do we got? And the answer that they came back with was that human civilization at its current rate of population growth and pollution and resource use would collapse on or around the year 2000. And by civilization, they meant everything that made the world livable for the people at the top. and they asked and they were asked for options. How do we do? What do we do about this? And they got three options. The book calls them the alternatives, capital A, and we're going to go through them.

Alternative one. Use nuclear weapons to blow holes in the upper atmosphere so the heat and pollution could vent into space and then cover the whole planet away. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Oh, I can't wait to be done with this shit, dude. I'm ready to stop thinking about any of this. That's just not how it works. I'm going crazy.

Come on. I'll use nuclear weapons to blow in the upper atmosphere, basically to vent the planet's heat into space. And then convert the whole planet away from the first. There's a gun from suck to blow. Then convert the whole planet. away from the fuels that had caused the problem, rejected that too destructive and the population would notice. Basically, it was like, make the planet, draw them away from fossil fuels,

but they rejected this plan because it would be too destructive to the pop, and the population would notice that holes were being blown in the atmosphere. They're trying to find alternatives to keep humanity away from knowing the truth. Alternative. We would all die. If we blew the atmosphere, we would all die. The radiation would annihilate us. alternative two build a vast network of underground cities and tunnels connected across the continent and when the collapse inevitably came move a chosen few underground the leadership the scientists the breeding stock and then leave everyone else on the surface to die and bill says this is the one that was approved and that the digging has been going on since 1957 and a lot of those underground

bases of ours and some of them are shared there is truth to this not to the reasoning but there are, I think they're called dums. There are huge bases built into underground into the mountains that are self-sufficient. Thousands of people work and live there. There are restaurants in there. Like it's built to be lived in. These things do exist. And we are also actively watching billionaires build bunkers underground to hide from what they believe to be the collapse. Among other fucking things. Can we please get someone on the Reddit to research whether there has been someone out there who worked at like an underground restaurant and they're like, let me do the tell all about.

I worked at underground Applebee's and that shit was crazy. I've read that post a million times. Let me tell you. Yeah. They're called. They're real. These things are real. They're called D-U-M-B, deep underground military base.

Like, there are bases out there that exist like that. But again, the reasoning is probably not for this. Can you imagine still working at like you live underground. ground, but you still work for minimum wage. Oh, God. You know what I mean? Like, that's got to suck. I'd just kill myself.

Your boss is kind of an ass. Just, I just put a bullet in my head. Then, so that's alternative two and the one they all greet on. Alternative three was just leave. Use the alien technology that they've been able to figure out on our own and mix it with our own to get off the planet and build colonies on the moon first, then on Mars, and take the same chosen few you'd go underground. with and just let Earth go.

But, all right, point of order, the aliens would allow any of this to happen? We're supposed to be doing this and get away from the aliens. They will never know. But don't they control everything? Well, there's a few enlightened then no. No what? The truth. And the truth is?

Magic is just jacking off, dude. This is the elites plan to get away from the aliens because they know they can't fight the war. Okay, but the aliens control everything, even the elites. They wouldn't find out if you do it sneaky. But they control everything. This is the elite saying we got to get away from the aliens because they're not going to work with us. They're harvesting our people for food. And these are our alternatives.

Yes, if they can harvest the people for food without anyone stopping them. And they're here in the atmosphere and on a moon base and all sorts of stuff. Going to a moon base makes no. damn sense. Us building our own moon base on a moon base, like a moon they control is nonsense. Counterpoint, sneaky moon base. Right, right, right. My bad. I forgot. I forgot. Invisible moon base. That's why we have. Invisible moon base. Exactly. See, thank you, Alex. I'm so glad you're here. Well, while the first one was like a non-starter, the other two

were commanded to proceed at once. But two and three were the real plan. They had something in common, take the select group of people, isolate them from the rest of society, and let the rest people to go in their own way. Wait, wait, wait. So the one plan that is they could actually do that would eventually kill us all, which is nuke the atmosphere. They're like, no, dude, that's stupid. Because the aliens will still be around.

We're going to spend the next 50 years digging underground and two, building spaceships to get off the planet. That is our strategy. The most obvious thing an alien would 100% notice, that's what we're doing. that's our sneakiest. The two most obvious, like, guys, I think they're digging and building chips? Well, that can't mean anything. That's nonsense.

They can't tell. Sneaky. They just can't. They're looking at it, and they're like, what is that? Can't figure that out. A grandma living next to, like, an airport is like, I think they're digging underground. You're telling me the aliens wouldn't notice. They would because they're so hoarded up for humans.

We just keep them distracted with any of sex. They're just so stupid. for that human, that human, who China. The human usy. So two and three were the real plan and two and three were like, get people off. You know, it only worked because there were fewer people. Get people off.

Yeah. So Bill says there was also buried inside the alternatives was a third project, which was population control, birth control and sterilization in places where people wouldn't be asked. in disease, engineered a disease to keep people under control. And that's where we take another problematic turn. This is where Bill says AIDS was made. Yeah. Sorry, I know, I know.

AIDS was made? Yeah, AIDS was made by the government as a form of population control. Oh. He says it was designed in a laboratory as a weapon under the cover of the biological warfare research at Fort Dietrich in Maryland. And he says he can show you the receipt. In the book, he reproduces a piece of congressional testimony from 19. In 1969, in which a defense department official asks a House Appropriations Subcommittee for $10 million to develop a new biological agent, something that would not exist in nature, that the human immune system would have no defense against, and that could be ready within five to 10 years. And this testimony is real, and it's in the record.

And Bill puts it in front of you and says, there, that's your evidence. That's all the evidence you need. And a Jedi mind tricks you and says, that's it. He just does what any, he does what the show ancient aliens does. Right. He says one thing and then says, and because of that, this thing, without any in between whatsoever. I guess my question is, is it a failure?

Like, AIDS is terrible, and it is not a thing that I think anyone is going to say, you know, like AIDS sucks. But the population of the earth continues to grow. Yeah. So is it a failure? of a plan, I guess is what I'm asking? I guess it would be considered a failure. Let's continue.

He says, they got the money. And he says the disease was seated on purpose in two populations in two ways. First, in Africa, through the World Health Organization smallpox vaccination campaign in the 1970s, which still hopes us today. They still, the WHO is still. Yeah, they're evil. Clearly. Here is an origin point for that shit. Bill says the vaccine was the carrier, and he points to the map and says the countries with the most smallpox vaccinations became the countries with the most AIDS.

Using the most basic scientific wrong things you could possibly do. Just racism. Yeah. He's just making it racist and saying correlation equals causation, which is literally the first thing you learn in any biology, one-oh-one class that, again, everybody breathes air and everybody dies. Does that mean air is killing everybody? Like just because one thing is happening? Technically, yes. All right. Technically, Jesse, not the time for this.

He also says it was seated in America. The oxidation, I'm just saying, like that's rusty. He also says, yeah, get all rusty on the inside, dude. Come all rusted out. The other place AIDS was seated was in America through an experimental hepatitis V, hepatitis B vaccine trial that was run on gay men in New York City in 19, and in San Francisco and other cities in 1980, Bill says the trial was the delivery system and that the first cases in the United States appeared in exactly the cities where the trial

had run in exactly the population that had volunteered for it. And he's not because they targeted trials to cities where it would be most effective. No. But in reality, it was the reverse. Yeah, reverse. And he said the targets were chosen and that the disease was aimed at deliberately at black people, Hispanic people, and at gay people because the order considered those populations disposable and because a disease that started in those populations could be allowed to burn for

years before anyone in power felt obliged to notice. And in this particular point, broken clock, he does have a point there. We talk about serial killers in the lesser dead with sex workers. There is always a population that those in power do ignore when they shouldn't. They're forgetting people are people. He says a cure exists or something close to one and that it's being withheld and that it will go on being withheld until the numbers come down to where the plan needs them, which to Jesse's point, then the plan fucking failed. Because like, population is slow down. And that's Bill's chapter on AIDS.

We're getting, we're about the bottom third of this. We're getting through. This man's a lot to say about a lot of things. That's why, man. So I was like, it's a, this is a, like, I couldn't wait to do this episode and I can't wait to be done with it. So now we move to the moon. Bill says alternative three was already underway when the Jason,

scholars gave it a number and it had been since before most of the people were even born. He says that with alien help, we already reached the moon in secret in the early 60s years before Apollo, and that in May of 1962, a probe reached Mars and confirmed it could support a colony and that construction began, and that the colony on Mars exists right now, and that there's a joint base on the moon, and that the joint base means the so Union. He doesn't mean with aliens. It means we're sharing a base with the Soviet Union on the moon. Because Bill says the Cold War was actually just a story for the public and that in space, the two superpowers have been working together the whole time on the same project for the same reasons,

and that the astronauts and the cosmonauts knew it. And he says the colonies needed labor and that the labor was going to be people. He uses a phrase from the documents that's called, which is the people for labor would be called batch consignments, shipments of human beings taken off of the earth to work

and never brought back to Earth. And he says that when you look at the missing person numbers in the country, at how many people simply vanish every year and are never found, some of them, it's because they got taken to the moon. So we've got missing 401,

says portals and gripped. And Bill Cooper says, actually, moon. And the moon? Moon portals. Moon portals. Oh, fuck, dude. You're probably right. And the moon was actually already occupied.

The end of point. Everything is connected. It's all soft disclosure. Oh, my God. All soft disclosure, dude. Fuck, dude. So, moon is already occupied. Bill says the aliens have a base set up there on the far side where we can't see it.

and it's called Luna in the documents, like I said earlier, and it's a mining operation, huge one. And every Apollo mission that landed was watched. He repeats a story that you may have heard, which is that when Armstrong and Aldrin were on the surface in 1969, there was a gap in the transmission, which was a couple of minutes where the public feed went to nothing, and that ham radio operators who'd found the raw NASA frequency

heard what was said in that gap. And what was said was Armstrong telling Houston that there were other ships up there, parked on the far side of the crater, watching, and that they were enormous. And Bill's argument for why you should believe that is the astronauts themselves. He says, look at what happened to them. Look at the men who walked on the moon and came back and fell apart. Some drank, some divorced, some went to religion or the paranormal or just went quiet.

Those are men who saw something Bill says. And we're told that they could never say it and they've been carrying it ever since, similar to how his father was a drunk and he was a drunk. And then in 1979, the treaty broke for good. It happened at Dulce under the Mesa, New Mexico, the base where the Grays did their work, the one that we built and then been allowed into where scientists worked on the upper levels

and the Grays had lower ones. We did, again, an entire series on the Dulce base. This is where the Dulce War. His version of the Dulce War, on how this all goes. He also describes that in that area, there were vats and tanks with human beings in them, and parts of human beings floating in the tank,

sometimes not even entire human beings, and the things that were halfway between us and them. There was a genetics laboratory, the size of a city in there, where the grays were building the hybrid race that was going to replace us on the earth, out of the eggs and sperm that they'd been taking off of abductees for 25 years.

And when our people saw it, Bill says, they tried to stop it. And then there was a firefight. That's where the Dulce war, human soldiers, Delta against the Grays in the corridor fighting with Dulce. And it went badly. And Bill's number is that 66 of our people were killed. And we pulled out of the lower levels and never went back.

But the base is still there and it is still theirs. That's why there were weapons on the project list. Excalibus, Bill says, was a missile, specifically a missile. designed to punch through a kilometer of solid rock before it detonated so that it could reach the underground base and kill everything in it. Ours were tested against our own tunnels. The target, though, was theirs. Joshua was a sound weapon, something with a Nazi pedigree, quote and quote, that had come over with the German scientists after the war that used low frequency sound to shake things apart. And Bill says it was being developed specifically because the gray's

craft had a weakness there. And then there was the big one, which you all already know the name of in March of 1983. Ronald Reagan stood up and announced a program to put weapons in space that could shoot down missiles and everybody called it Star Wars. And Bill says everybody had it right but didn't even realize it. The strategic defense initiative, Bill says, was the treaty breaking and the Soviet missiles were just the cover. The Star Wars project, it was a fence going up in orbit pointed outward to defend against

aliens coming toward us, not actually pointed inward to defend against missiles fired at each other. Make sense? So that also failed. All of our plans have failed. So far, everything has failed. And Bill says that Reagan told you so in September of 1987 at the United Nations in front of the General Assembly, the president of the United States said out loud that he had sometimes wondered how fast the nations of the world would set aside their differences if they

were facing a threat from outside this planet. This was Bill's evidence that the aliens were here, and Reagan was just saying it. John F. Kennedy was briefed. Every president was briefed at at least on the summary on the Red Book. And Bill says that of all the men who sat in the chair after Eisenhower, Kennedy was the one who read the summary and then went looking for the rest. And what he found in 1963 was two things. He found the drugs. He found out that the Central Intelligence Agency of the U.S. was moving heroin out of Southeast Asia.

that the money was going somewhere that wasn't in the treasury or accounted for, and he found out where, and he found out why. And he found the aliens, like the real version of everything, the mutilations, abductions, all that stuff. And Bill says Kennedy did what Forrestle did, and what Forrestle did had died for it. So he issued an ultimatum to MJ12. First, the drug trade ends now, and if you won't end it, I will end it for you, and I will use the office to do it.

And second, I am going to tell the American people what is in the, the sky and I'm going to do it within the year. Bill says the ultimatum ultimatum was delivered in the spring of 1963 and that Kennedy meant it and that the men of the police committee, which is what MJ12 was calling itself by then, understood what it meant. They had a meeting. They took a vote and then Dealey Plaza happened. We know the image. Now I'm going to give you the alien version of the reason that Kennedy was shot very quickly. Bill says William Greer killed John Kennedy. He says that as the car came down Elm Street and the first shots were fired from behind, Greer slowed the car nearly to a stop, which he was trained never to do. And then Bill says Greer turned on his seat, brought his left hand

up over his right shoulder with something in it, and fired one shot at close range into the president's head. And that the weapon was a pistol built by the CIA, part of the same family of gadgets. The agency had spent the 50s developing for this exactly this kind of work and the kind of thing that fires something that doesn't leave the sort of evidence a bullet leaves. And that shot, the shots from behind, the ones the whole world heard were cover. All of it just noise. So that when the president's head came apart, everyone in the plaza would already be looking the wrong way. And that's when Bill says you can see it in the Zapruder film for the, the movie that you went back and actually watched. And you didn't see anything like that, right?

No, not at all. Which brings us to Oswald. Bill says, Lee Harper, v. Oswald was exactly what he said he was in the hallway of the Dallas police station, which was a Patsy. I'm a Patsy. A man with a Navy background and a strange trip to Russia and a lot of intelligence fingerprints on him who had been positioned in that building for exactly this purpose so that there would be somebody to arrest and then killed in the basement two days later on live television by a man with mob connections and cancer so that there would never be a trial because a trial

has discovery and discovery has subpoenas. You see how it all links up? And Bill's point about the whole thing is that Dallas was another message to every president after that. This is what the chair costs. If you read past the summary, you're allotted. You ever go looking for the truth? You can get taken out to pasture.

And they got the message. Lyndon Johnson took the oath on the plane with Kennedy's blood still on his wife's dress. And Bill says Johnson never asked a single question about anything that matters. for the next five years and that the drug trade, which Kennedy had ordered ended, expanded under Johnson to a scale it had never reached because Johnson put half a million American soldiers into the one country on the earth where the product grew. Then Nixon, and Nixon Bill says is the strange one because Nixon was a creature of the order. Nixon had been Eisenhower's vice president. Nixon knew and for four years he ran the operation exactly the way he was supposed to.

And then Watergate happened, and Nixon was now drowning in problems. And Bill says that in 1973, with the walls closing in, Nixon reached for the one thing he had that could save him. He was going to tell. He was going to go on television and tell the country about the treaty and the aliens and everything, because a country that had just been told the sky was occupied was not going to give a shit about some burglary that had just been done under his watch. And Bill says that's why Nixon was removed. He says the joint chiefs and the intelligence agencies in the last months of the Nixon presidency quietly instructed military commanders around the world to ignore any order from the White House

unless it was confirmed through the Pentagon and that the reason was the aliens and that the reason Nixon resigned rather than fight was that he'd been told exactly what would happen if he went on television and he remembered Kennedy. Ford was a caretaker. Ford was chosen for being a caretaker and then Ford's government held the two big investigations of the intelligence agencies, the Rockefeller Commission and the Church Committee, and Bill says those were containment, a controlled burn, where you let the public see the poison dark guns and the LSD experiments so that they'd feel like they'd seen

the worst of it and stopped digging. Then came Carter. Carter came in promising to open the UFO files on the record because he'd seen one himself in Georgia. And then Carter was brief and Carter never mention it again. Then you fill in the Carter cried story that potentially fits in that moment. And Reagan, Bill says Reagan, was briefed as president-elect in a room with his vice president-elect who had run the CIA and with the man he was about to make CIA director and that the briefing was the red book and that Reagan came out of that room and never once an eight-year said a word about it in public except in one speech at the UN in 1987, which we already talked about. And Bill's line on all of it is that the American people have not.

not had a president, a real president since 1963. They've had a man who's allowed to sit in the chair as long he doesn't, as he doesn't look around too hard. At this point, the book changes a bit. And it's because everything up to now, you could file under a UFO up to this point. And now Bill puts down the alien stuff and he picks up a stack of paper and the paper is all real. And he says, this is how they're going to do it to you.

And you can look every one of these up. Trust me, and people did. And that's when the book got scary for a lot of people in a different way. Bill starts in 1933. On March 9, 1933, five days after he took office, Franklin Roosevelt declared a national emergency. The banks were collapsing and he used a World War I law, the trading with the enemy act, to close them and take control of the currency. And Bill says that emergency never ended.

not in 1934, not after the war, not ever. He points to a Senate report from 1973. It's a real report, real committee, which found that the United States had been under a continuous state of declared national emergency for 40 years. That four separate emergency declarations were in effect at once,

and that under those declarations, the president had on paper the power to seize property and commodities, take over production and transportation and communication, declare martial law, restrict travel, and in the Senate's own words, in a plethora of particular ways control the lives of all American citizens.

That last phrase is the committees, and Bill quotes it because he couldn't, like he couldn't write that better. So Bill says, forget what the Constitution says. The Constitution has been suspended since before your parents were even born. What's left is a list of things

the president is allowed to do when he decides the time is right. And we also have a list. February of 1962, Kennedy signed a run of executive orders numbered 10-990 through 11,05, and then a few more later that year and the years after. And they're all still in effect. And Bill prints every one of them in an emergency, in an emergency declared by the president,

they authorized the federal government to take over all modes of transportation, highway, seaports, the works, all communications media, all electric power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals, all food, resourced, and farms, 10-980. All transportation in the country, including your car, and then 11,000 to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. All health education and welfare functions. The Postmaster General is ordered to register all persons in the United States, everyone. Bills really emphasizes that. All airports and aircraft.

And then it authorizes the government to relocate communities, to designate areas to be abandoned as unsafe, and to establish new locations for populations to move you as a group where they want you to. Railroads, inland waterways, in ways, public storage, and all of it can be done under the national emergency, including one that is only economic. So who runs the list, who's in the office? It took them a while to build it. Through the 60s and 70s, the emergency planning function bounced around a few different agencies with boring names.

And then in 1979, Jimmy Carter signed Exhibit. executive order 12-148 and created the federal emergency management agency or FEMA. And to the public, FEMA was floods and hurricanes. I know. And Bill says that's the cover. And that feeling is got you were, I just want to stress the grandfather. You started this. Yeah.

Three hours ago. You are. No, no, but like, you are correct. He really is. It all comes back to this dude. Everything. Everything. Which is why the script has to be this long.

It just has to be. This is the cover. That FEMA's actual job and the reason it was created and the thing most of its budget goes to is to be the government that takes over when the emergency is declared. FEMA bill says is the secret government's civilian face. The bunkers are already built, chains of command already written in a whole shadow federal structure sitting on a shelf waiting for the day. And he says they've rehearsed.

In California in the late 60s, under a governor named Ronald Reagan, the state ran a series of exercises called cable splicer, which practiced how the National Guard and the police would put down civil unrest and round up the people responsible. And the man who designed Cable Splicer was a National Guard officer named Louis Guifreda. The Army had its own plan for the same thing nationwide, called Garden Plot, which laid out how federal troops would be used in American cities against American citizens. And then in 1984, Bill says, FEMA ran an exercise called Rex 84, which was readiness exercise 1984. And the director of FEMA who ran it was Louis Guifreda again, the cable splicer guy. And the man at the National Security Council who worked with him on it was a Marine lieutenant colonel named Oliver North. And that Rex 84 rehearsed, and what Rex 84 rehearsed was in the event of a national emergency,

such as, and this was the actual scenario they used, the United States. States invading Nicaragua and there being mass protest at home, FEMA would round up several hundred thousand people, undocumented immigrants, and Bill says dissidents and put them in camps. Kind of weirdly familiar. And Bill's proof that Rex 84 was real, and it's a great one because he took it right off television, July 1987, the Iran-Contra hearings. Oliver North is on the stand, and a congressman from Texas named Jack Brooks starts asking him a question. He says he's read that North had worked on a plan in the event of an

emergency to suspend the American Constitution and he wants to ask him about it. And before North can answer, the chairman of the committee, Senator Daniel Ennouye cuts him off on live TV and says in effect that this touches on highly sensitive and classified matters and he'd ask the congressman not to go there. And Brooks pushed once, Enouye shuts it down again and says they can discuss it in closed session. And that's it. That's the whole exchange, but Bill puts it in the book from the transcript and lets it sit there like he does with so many other things. Just let's you do the work. Yeah. And lets you do the work. Yeah. But it's a, it's an effective. It's interesting. Yeah. It's definitely interesting. But it's just it's not the reason we don't do that is because it's

irresponsible. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So what's the emergency going to be? Bill says the emergency will be drugs. He says the war on drugs is the mechanism. And it's, It's a perfect one because it's a war against a thing that the government itself is importing so it can never be won so the emergency never has to end. But a timely reference for him. Yeah, very timely reference for him writing this book. He points out a law from 1988, the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, and he goes through it, clause by clause.

He shows you, which we're not going to do. He shows you the parts that let the government take your house and your car and all that stuff without ever convicting you on anything on suspicion. And he makes you and make you sue it to get it back from the government. And the parts that let them throw you out of public housing, he's basically scary. He's listing all the things that can like this. And it is scary. Don't get me wrong.

Like that any government can do this is scary. And the part that created a new office with a new man who the newspapers immediately started calling the drugs are. And Bill's point about that is that the newspapers picked up the word. nobody objected to it. And then he shows you what's coming next. A bill introduced in the House of Representatives in 1990, H.R. 479, by a congressman from Georgia named Newt Gingrich called the National Drug and Crime Emergency Act.

And Bill reads you the operative section, which is that upon passage, the president shall declare a national drug and crime emergency lasting five years, during which the federal government may use military bases as prisons, may suspend the court rules that limit how many people can be crammed into a prison and may do a list of other things. And Bill's summary of the whole bill is that it's the trigger. It's the emergency in writing waiting for a vote, five years of martial law with a friendly name, war on drugs, crime, all that stuff.

So where do they put you? He gives you a list of camps. Fort Chaffney, Arkansas, Fort Drum, for Indiana Town Gap, Camp AP Hill, Oakdale, Eggland Air Force Base, Vandenburg Air Force Base, Fort McCoy, Fort Benning Fort Huachua or Fort Kuukkah, I apologize, and Camp Chrome. And he says there are others and that the biggest of all is in Alaska near Anchorage and that the Alaska site is designed to hold something on the order of two million people, which is fucking makes no sense.

So we're getting to the end. One more document left and then guns. Next on the, in this behold, a pale horse is a constitution, a complete, one for this country and it's a replacement constitution that is supposed to take effect. Bill says it was written in 1974 by a think tank in California funded by the order over 10 years and at a cost of millions of dollars and that it's the replacement constitution, the one that goes into effect after the emergency when the old one is set aside for good. And he prints out all of it and lets you read it, but we're just going to go over a little bit of what it says. One, the states will be

abolished. The country is redrawn into smaller numbers of regions called new states drawn by the federal government. The president serves a single term of nine years. There's a Senate and it's appointed and its members serve for life. The right to bear arms is gone. Weapons are for the police, the military, and people licensed by the state. The bill of rights that's left as an emergency clause, the bill of rights that's left has an emergency clause in it. Your rights in the new document are guaranteed unless a declared emergency requires otherwise. Bill's point is that the takeover already has everything, the sequel for the country set up and ready to go. The last thing they need before they can do any of it is all of our guns.

The chapter is called coup de grace, the finishing blow, and Bill's argument is that every one of the plans we've just talked about has one problem, which is that the American people are the most heavily armed civilian population in the history of the world and that you cannot relocate a community that shoots back. So the guns have to go first and they have to go slowly, one law at a time, so that nobody notices the line has moved until it's well behind them. And he says the template is already in the law. In 1968, Congress passed the Gun Control Act and Bill sets it next to the German weapon law of 1938, the Nazi one, and walks you through the parallels.

The structure is kind of the same. He says the categories are the same. He's just saying, like, look, it's basically the same thing. And then he shows you what happens next, which means basically says that the model for the American gun law is the law the Nazis used to disarm people they were going to kill. And then what happens next is, and he doesn't have to really reach for it, in my opinion, is that January 1991, Vilnius, Lithuania, a country that had declared its independence from the Soviet Union

and the Soviet Union sent in tanks. And the people of Vilnius went out into the streets unarmed and stood in front of the television tower to keep it on the air. The tanks went through them, 14 dead, hundreds were hurt, and the world watched it on the television and did nothing because Lithuania was somebody else's problem. He's saying that's what's going to happen next. Bill's chapter on it is pretty short, honestly.

And what it says is that that's what a disarmed people looks like when the emergency comes. That's what standing in front of the tower is going to get you in the United States, which had just spent the entire fall of 1990 building a coalition to liberate Kuwait, did not send a single soldier to Vilnius. And Bill says, the reason is that the men who run our government and the men who run theirs are on the same side and always have been. And Kuwait. And not the oil.

Exactly. In Kuwait, it's something they wanted in Lithuania, didn't it, which brings us to the war and the end of the separer. We're getting to the end here. September 11th, 1990, that's the date. I want you to hear that because Bill wrote it down and says it's important. It's going to sound different than it sounded to him. On the evening of September 11th, 1990, George Bush stood in front of a joint session of Congress five weeks after Saddam Hussein had rolled into Kuwait to explain why the United States was sending half a million soldiers to the Persian Gulf. And in the middle of the speech, he described what he thought the war was for. And what he said it was for was a New World Order, those exact words. He said that out of these troubled times, the New World Order could emerge, a world where the rule of law replaced the rule of the jungle, a world where the United Nations could finally do what its founders had meant it to do. And Bill says that was the announcement.

That's the orders man, a bonesman, a former CIA director, the man who set up the drug pipeline, standing in the Capitol and saying the name of the plan out loud on national television and the newspaper the next day called it a fine speech. And Bill's telling the party that went to war with Iraq was the United Nations, with the United States as its army, and that was the first time that had ever really happened. The authority came from a Security Council resolution, and the coalition was assembled under the UN's flag, and the Soviet Union, which for 45 years had vetoed,

everything voted yes. And American soldiers for the first time in the country's history went to fight in a war whose legal authority came from a body that was not their own government. And that bill says was the point. Kuwait was the excuse. The war was a rehearsal for a world in which American forces answered to an international authority and the American public was watched carefully to see whether they would accept it. And they did. They put yellow ribbons on the goddamn trees. They did accept it. And the Soviet vote leads Bill to the chapter he calls anatomy of an alliance. And the alliance he's talking about is the one we weren't supposed to know existed. He says the Cold War was managed. She says it was a real conflict, but in the sense

that real people died in it. But at the top, the two sides had been partners since before they were two sides. And he gives, again, all of us, the receipts that he's got. He says the Bolshevik revolution was financed out of New York by the same banking houses that fund the Council on Foreign Relations because the communist Russia was useful to the order as the other pole in a world it wanted to keep divided. He says the same banks in some of the American companies financed Hitler's rearmament for the same reason. He says communism itself was an Illuminati product that the manifesto came out of the same network Y shop built and that the entire 20th century both world Wars and the 45-year standoff after was a controlled burn with the order holding both ends

of this conflict. And then he gives you the proof. And the proof is the thing we've already kind of talked about, the base on the moon, join ours and theirs. He refers to his own conspiracies as the proof. He says that if you want to know whether the Americans and the Soviets were really enemies, you don't look at Berlin, you look at who was standing next to whom in the lunar colony in 1962.

And when Gorbachev came along and the wall came down and the Soviet Union voted with us at the UN, Bill says what you were watching was the merger. Two halves of the company being folded back into one. And we've been friends ever since. And well, publicly no, but maybe at the top. But theoretically, we've been working together behind the scenes the whole time. On the moon base, which is thriving. Exactly.

The moon base where the colony is that he refers to and has. Complete evidence for. He says, we're all sheep, Bill says. In the chapter that he titled, Are the sheep Ready to Shear? Last document in the book. And it's the one, we're getting there. Chapter 17 is titled Documentation, U.S. Army Intelligence Connection with Satanic Church. And what Bill has done is reprint a set of documents about a real Army officer,

a lieutenant colonel named Michael Aquino, who was a career psychological operations officer, a decorated Vietnam vet, and who was also openly. in his own name, the founder and high priest of religious organization called the Temple of Set, which he had started in 1975 after leaving the Church of Satan, which he felt the Church of Satan wasn't serious enough about the devil. He's correct. Church of Satan, maybe he'll be able to be another conversation for this podcast in the future. And Bill's first point is simply that that the United States Army had a man in its psychological warfare command

whose religion on paper was Satanism and that the Army knew and that the Army had no problem with it and then Bill's world, given everything we've been through tonight, about the order, who the order worships, that shouldn't surprise you at all, it should actually confirm something, because Lucifer is at the top of all this. And then he prints the paper. In 1980, a Quino co-wrote a document with a colonel named Paul Vallele,

Vali, called the Siamop to Mind War. And it is a real paper. And what it proposes is that the army stop thinking of psychological operations to something you do to the enemy on the battlefield and start thinking of it as something you do to everyone all the time including at home. It argues that a war is won or lost in the minds

of the population before a shot is fired and that the military should therefore be shaping those minds through the media on a permanent basis and even goes further into the physical and talks about how the atmosphere itself can be used, how the electrical charge of the air in low frequency fields

and the like effect mood and the like affect mood and thought and how that could be turned into a tool. And Bill puts that next to the silent weapons of For Quiet Wars, which is this whole book opened with, which is where we started tonight, and says, now read them together. One's a manual for running the population with economics.

The other is a manual for running the population with its own brain chemistry. And both of them were written by people who in Bill's world kneel in front of the same God. And he includes the rest of Aquino's story, which is that in 1987 Aquino was investigated in connection with allegations about a daycare at Presidio, the Army base in San Francisco, and that no charges were ever brought, and that Aquino stayed in the Army. And Bill's read on that is that the same is the same as his read on Forestal and Dallas and Watergate.

That's what it looks like when the order protects its own. Which brings us to the last couple things. basically in the next bit it's a huge document that I've cut down to like a couple sentences and it's a text that has been in circulation since the early 1900s and it's called something we've already talked about and it all loops back to this again Jesse the protocols of the learned elders of Zion and if you know what's in that which we all should after we talked about it not too long ago it's just the most anti-Semitic in the world. It's like literally the

big nose tail in. Yeah, exactly. He was written by the Russian secret police over a century ago to justify killing Jews. Bill Cooper put... Bill Cooper... The whole thing is in this book. That whole thing is in this fucking book.

The reason why he says the document is real in the sense that it's a real plan and that it's the order's plan. The one that we've been talking about all night. He says the order did something clever when it wrote it, which was to put a false name on it. He says wherever the document says Jews, you should really read Illuminati. And wherever it says a certain contemptuous word for everyone else, you should just read the word cattle. He says the order framed the Jewish people on purpose

so that anyone who found the plan would blame the wrong conspirators, conspirators. And so that anyone who tried to expose it could be as a bigot. And it's so stupid. And he says, he's putting it in book with that instruction attached so that you'll read past the frame and see the truth and the plan. And that's the whole of what I'm going to say about chapter 15 because we've already talked about it. So stupid. It is. It's incredibly, we'll pretend it's a racist work about someone else so that when you read it, you just got to know. You just got to know. So that, boys, at the end, is the world according to Bill Cooper in the book beyond a pale horse. He leaves you with two doors.

Door one, aliens are real. There's a treaty we've been sold, and the New World Order is what the order built to manage that misaligned sale. Door two, aliens are the story. The order made it up or made it bigger and has spent 40 years

building it into the one lie big enough to end the world's governments in an afternoon. That's where this all leaves us. A snake at the top of a sheet of paper at the bottom, you in the middle watching the game. And this was his view of the world. Bill was sure of one more thing too. He says it in the front of the book and the back of the book and in between all over the place,

which is that they will come for him one day. Make no mistake that someone will come for Bill, that a man who had read the file and put it in 300,000 living rooms with the book would not be allowed to grow old. He wrote that in 1991. He wrote that he was writing his death warrant and that he'd made his peace with it and that the book was a thing that was. would outlive him. And on the 5th of November, 2001, at his house, on a hill in Egar, out of Arizona, Bill's Cooper was in fact shot and killed by the police. But that's next week.

By the police. Who he really was, where he really, the police, the band. Sting showed up. It said, don't stand. And then he got too close. He had a fucking, he had a fucking, he still do loves to him. Yeah. Sobs it.

That sounds really about. I know it was. I know he had a soft sit freak out, didn't he? That's, but all that, the truth is next week, who he really was, where he really served, what's in this book that's even remotely true, what was stolen, and what he became in the 10 years after he wrote it, and how a man who spent his whole life waiting for the evil black car to show up and kill him, ended up meeting it on his own in his driveway in the form of a confrontation with the police. Was he holding a gun?

We'll get to that. Yeah. I can't tell you that yet. That's for spoilers. Thank you so much for listening to episode one on Bill Cooper, one of the most insane people to ever exist and truly the grandfather of conspiracy in so many ways. I appreciate your time.

I know it was a lot. Jesse, thank you for staying up so goddamn late. I know it's almost four hours. I know. I know. Minisode may not be happening this week and that's okay. Thank you. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode talking about Bill Cooper Part 2.

We're out of here. We appreciate you. We love you. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Jolum and Nadi podcast. As always, I'm one of your host, Mike Martin, joined by the... There's two... What? Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer. Neo and Trinity. I don't understand. Never will.

Let me just tell you right now that there's two Leon Kennedy and Claire Redfield. I'm telling you, I think he literally just looked up famous duos. Cheech and Chalk. And he's been going through the list

ever since. I'm trying to dig deep. Which one of you is Dick Powell? Me? Your name's Jesse Cox. I want my My name is to Luminati.

I want my Nauty podcast. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by Alex and Jesse. Like a shooting star across the sky that's actually a UFO.