Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 4 - Aliens: The Very Confusing Basics

Episode Date: April 1, 2018

Aliens are weird. Soundcloud - https://soundcloud.com/chilluminatipodcast Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/Thenationaldex

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Rev it up at Toyota.com. Toyota, let's go places. Music Let's just jump right into it. Hello, everybody, and welcome, welcome to the official episode four of the Shilluminati podcast. I am, as always, Mike or Mathis or whatever you want to call me, joined by my good friends Alex and Jesse.

How's it going, boys? Hello. Feeling good. How are you feeling? Well, that's good. I'm glad you're feeling good. I'm feeling too good. I don't know what's going on over there.

I just had a good, I just had a shrimp cocktail and a taco. I feel great. Hell yeah, dude. Wait, time out. Time out. Is the shrimp cocktail and a taco or in a taco? And a taco. How did you get both?

My uncle always orders a lot of appetizers, so I was like, I'm going to go light. The shrimp cocktail had five shrimp and I got a taco a la carte. Bingo, bingo, bongo. Bingo, bingo, bongo. Absolutely. Blah, blah, blah. Guys, as you get older, this is what it turns into.

Get ready. It's the little things. Yeah. Oh my God. We had to pull Jesse away from World of Warcraft. No, you didn't have to pull me away. It's true, babe. I walked away willingly.

Trust me. But this episode is going to be fun because it's something I've been excited to do for a while. And while we're just hitting kind of the basics of it and really kind of laying a groundwork for future episodes, what they have to do with aliens. Oh man, aliens are just like, I picked up a couple new books. I don't know if maybe Alex, you've read a couple of them, but I picked up Edge of Reality, which is on its way from Amazon right now.

And on my last trip, sorry, I'm bending over to grab the book, on my last trip I picked up Crash at Core Corona, which has to do with the evidence from Area 51 and all that stuff in Roswell. And I'm pumped. I've never heard of that one, but Edge of Reality is like, that's like, that's canon. Yes, that's canon. Man, that's like the shit that you want to read because it's important for any UFO enthusiast of any point.

I'm embarrassed not to have a copy. Yeah, they're not. They're like 20 bucks on Amazon if you want to grab one. They're not that much. Yeah, I should. I absolutely should. But today is going to be fun. I have a feeling the most fun for Jesse because we're going to talk about basically the things

we're going to cover today are how long people believe aliens have been visiting, why they visit, why aliens are even interested in Earth as it is right now. The aliens that are quote-unquote recorded having visited us and maybe we're going to lightly touch on a couple of mass sightings. The sightings where hundreds or thousands of people saw the same thing and has a bit more facts behind it. That shit is just like irrefutable to me. Yeah.

Wait, what? Irrefutable? Irrefutable? Like just the scale of it sometimes is like so wide reaching on these like mass sightings that I just get like my mind blown. Like at the very least. We need to determine what mass sighting is though. Okay, so for as an example.

Well, I just know. I happened to just know about a couple, you know. Yeah, like as an example, the Hudson Valley sightings. I think there were upwards of 300 or 400 phone calls to the local police department within the couple night span that they were seeing all these V shaped lights and ships hovering around the town for, I think it was, there was like a couple of nights that had happened separated by a few days and then something like the Phoenix lights, which is upwards of I think a thousand people.

But again, these are UFOs, not aliens. Let's be clear. Right. But just compelling ones. You know, like the Phoenix lights one, the Phoenix lights one specifically, I don't want to go too deep into it, but it's just like, you know, there was a great National Geographic documentary about it that just was like so convincing, like truly convincing, convincing about what I think Cronkite was like the host of it or something.

But I think let's again be clear. It's a UFO. It's unidentified. So I'm not talking about this proves, I'm not saying this proves the existence of aliens. I'm just saying these seem at least to be not something, you know, like most of these sightings end up being like a dude trying to hoax for money or something like that. Right. Right.

Right. No, I can agree with that. I think. Yeah. The mass sightings you're talking about are ones that I'm like, okay, people definitely saw something. The question remains, what do they see? But sure.

And that's the thing too. And that's what's so interesting about the sightings. So just so people understand, I went into this episode thinking, all right, we're going to talk about one of the sightings in depth. And then I started like doing like my proper note taking and research, I'm like, there's so many things that we need to talk about first before we worry about that and things like the Phoenix, the Phoenix lights or the Hudson Valley Valley sightings, they are UFOs. And that's that's important to note while through it, there are multiple people who've

come forward and said they had weird experience with is with them. Obviously, it's all hearsay. But there is, of course, video evidence of these UFOs in the sky that you can go look up that have been around since the nineties and eighties and when these ended up happening. So we're going to worry more about, like I said, the basics and maybe lightly touch on those today. But before we dive into that, I do, there's a couple of things I want to mention right at the top.

One, there was a bit of a correction that I want to put on the hollow moon episode that we do. What did we do? What did you do? What did you do? There's probably me. It's probably for all fairness. It was Alex.

But it was just the we were talking about the dark side of the moon. We actually have photographs of the backside of the moon because the the moon orbits around the earth and the backside hits the sun every so often, you know, like once a day. And we actually have photographs of the backside of the moon so that there is no dark side of the moon. People are pissed when we were like dark side of the moon. It's true. There is no quote unquote dark side of the moon.

And then something I should have clarified on my end when it when we talked about the moon ringing like a bell, specifically what we're talking about is the the readings and seismographs that were taken away from the moon when the crashes happened. People were also arguing that there is no atmosphere on the moon. That's a lie. It's incredibly thin and it's barely there. But there is a lunar atmosphere as well. But it's not like the noise.

There was wasn't like a giant noise was ringing like the bell off the moon. It's the seismographs that they then, you know, read and was like that looks like a gong basically. Like if you hit a gong, it would ring and so too does the moon ring in the way the tuning fork rings. You were just literally rings. Yeah. You literally rings.

Yeah. So it's just seismograph readings. That's what they meant. All I was saying in that episode was like the verbiage of rings like a bell seemed like an inaccurate or like a not apt metaphor for what they were experiencing. Right. It's just the it's the terminology they used and I should have specified more specifically what they meant.

Other than that, I think that's all I wanted to cover. We're already making corrections. We're already already making corrections. Yo, three dudes talking out of their ass about like crazy high jinxed space. It's gonna listen. We're gonna there's going to be a scientist who knows more about this. Right. And that's the other thing too.

While I'm doing research and while, you know, we're doing research for each episode, we're not scientists. We're trying to get the facts out there the best we can, but there will be corrections from time to time and we will address them as necessary. This is the chill. Luminati. Exactly. This is not me.

Nailed it. You nailed it. You were exactly right. If they tuned in for like the the science, yeah, the literate science Audi, then grab a small ramekin, grab a small ramekin and put a little bit of salt in it. And each time that you listen to an episode of chilluminati, just take one grain of the salt and just put it in your mouth. Of course.

There you go. Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. Take one grain of salt. Yeah. Take what we're saying with a grain of salt. Again, we're not coming in with this with just like no information.

I do a fuck ton of research and I do what I can to bring the facts, but there will be misspeakings every so often and I will. Yeah, we're just going to go off into the weeds and talk about science. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, let's talk about aliens. I love aliens. It's like my favorite topic and off the bat, here's what I will say about my personal belief in aliens.

I firmly believe aliens exist. I firmly believe that they are a, I wouldn't say a firmly believe. I believe that there is a possibility that they have visited every so often. Maybe they still do for maybe scientific purposes or whatever. However, when we talk about like the dominant 12 or 14 alien races that exist in the weird space war that we're going to talk about here in a little bit, that stuff, not so much. Aliens are an incredible thing. I was talking about this or not talking about it, but just like I was driving home right

now and I was just like thinking about this because I was getting excited to record the podcast and like, like so much of the stuff that everybody talks about with regard to aliens. Like most people are like, that is bunk, that is bullshit, right? Like most, most of what it is, but we all, like regardless of what we believe, like there's not that many mythologies out there that are like legitimately believed by so many people that have been created at an age where we had things like radio and television and internet. And so it's so interesting to look at this stuff because it's so central to like, I,

you know, a lot of people say that like conspiracy theories are like the mythology of America kind of. And if you look at it that way, like the alien stuff is like so central to like that whole aspect of thinking in American life. It's so interesting. Oh, very much. And it all stems, at least for me, it stems from the sort of space race, cold war, nuclear age that we as, as a nation and then as a world sort of look to the stars and come up

with our own explanations for things we don't understand and for weird occurrences. And yet, like you, I believe that in general aliens must exist. There must be something else out there. It makes no sense to have such a massive universe and nothing else exists, right? It, it, it, that I think is more of a stretch than to say aliens exist. With that said, I don't have any evidence they've ever visited Earth. However, there's a lot of compelling stuff that exists that people say, oh, well that's why they're here.

And there are some things that you're like, okay, that's fascinating about the past and about ancient civilizations and about the historical record where it's like that thing looks like an alien, but that's us putting a spin on that. So I don't know that we have any evidence to say that there's anything other than humans that have ever been to Earth. But who knows? At the same time, if someone tomorrow came to me and was like, we have evidence and they proved it, I'd be like, all right, I'm in.

So like, I have no opinion either way, but I have no evidence to support that they've ever been here. Yeah. I agree with Jesse pretty wholeheartedly, but I also want to, I also want to add onto this that like the idea of Earth being visited by some kind of being or presence from somewhere very far beyond our ability as humans to completely comprehend or reach, I believe is likely. I'm actually with Alex on that.

If there is alien existence or people visiting or aliens visiting or whatever, I'm of the opinion that they're not necessarily traveling here physically as much as they may be piercing a dimension we don't have like access to and all that other stuff. But that's, again, that's a topic that would take a whole episode to talk about. Yeah. Be it aliens, be it interdimensional beings, be it like other consciousnesses that we're forming in our own minds when we're in some sort of like high or elevated state of some kind like something is going on.

Like I believe that people are experiencing something and that's like the great starting point for aliens. And actually to Jesse's point, talking about during the Cold War and stuff, this is something that I'm not touching in this episode and we will have to do a separate, maybe a couple episodes is Roswell, a lot of the whole like it wasn't a weather balloon, which I do not believe it was a weather balloon, but there is a lot of evidence or theory that it wasn't actually aliens. It was like a spy craft from, you know, the Soviet Union and the Cold War and all that

stuff kind of ramping up and them trying to spy on us and we shot it down and all this other nonsense. Which would explain why the military reacted so quickly to this, quote, unquote, weather balloon crashing and, you know, sectioning it off. So there is that too. Like we wouldn't even be sad if that was what it ended up being like that would be equally interesting to me. I mean, it would not be as like groundbreaking, I guess, as if they were like, this is the

footage of the aliens intestines. But you know, I don't know, like I would be very like, wow, about that. And I would believe it too. Take the opposite side of that, which I think is fascinating is that most Cold War related incidents like the U two spy planes, something that have been outed and reported. So if it was something from the Cold War, especially a Russian something, why wouldn't we as a government been like, Oh yeah, no, that was just some crazy like Russian spy plan.

That's that's what's so fascinating about the whole Roswell Area 51 situation is that it's still so fucking muddy. Like even looking at reading through the book, Crash of Koronoa, like the government documents that were leaked and everything that's, you know, actually in the book that you can see, like it's so muddy, like the government's feeding us this, but they're in private saying that and it's just we don't know. And we never know for sure what happened there. And, you know, talking about what Alex said too, that's the other problem with doing like

alien research nowadays is that the internet exists. So anybody with access to it can quote unquote do their research and quote unquote publish their findings. So that's why you have all these fucking crazy web pages that have books and books and books of just their explanation as to what the aliens are here for here and stuff. And they're like, they consider themselves scientists and I'm giving the biggest air quotes I can and researchers and you're just trying to try to parse what's real, what's not real and what could possibly be just misinformation being spread on purpose to keep us.

You know, in the dark, it's fucking hard. But it's interesting. There's something undeniable about it. Yes, 100%. I don't know what it is like that's so alluring to me about the idea that like there's aliens. I don't know if it's even like the imagination of like, wow, like other races in space. So much as it is like the government is like hiding something. I don't know what I don't know what part is more exciting to me.

Like even the X files, like, is it just because I like the X files? Like am I just like conflating my childhood together and maybe there's part of it that's doing it? That's that's that's that's the reason. I will say as a side note, don't just so you know, I live in a legal state. Don't imbibe and research aliens at like 1am because I swear I'm just I constantly was like, there's something outside my window. There's something outside my window and I was just waiting for aliens to be tapping on

my window just like, we're here to abduct you. I was freaking out. That feeling that feeling right there is like the defining feeling of like 1960s and 70s like cult leader ass Los Angeles. You know what I mean? Yeah. All right. Stuff is so scary.

Oh, yeah, it's wild. Okay. So let's start with the idea that we are being visited and why, you know, in general terms people believe and I do by people, I mean a lot of people because there's some some hard line similarities between everybody's beliefs while a bunch of people may believe one thing or and others believe another in the middle. There's always there's always commonalities between them and those commonalities is what we're going to talk about here.

So the first thing I'm going to say is Earth has been being visited by aliens according to many, many people for thousands of years at this point all the way back to where you see paintings of UFOs. And again, this is what Jesse was saying, like this is people like putting our own interpretation on this art and the like and as far back as I think where is it like 74 B.C. or 214 B.C. is where we're starting to see like the first quote unquote sightings of aliens in the sky. Livy from I guess 214 B.C. in Rome, Livy records a number of portents in the winter of this year, including Navium, Spessium, Dei, Kalo, Aduphilus to see I butchered it,

which basically said it translates to an appearance of ships had shown forth from the sky. Just recorded that she had saw they have seen ships in the sky during a winter of the year that they recorded it, which was 214 B.C. But like again, I just before we jump into this, I have to as a historian. Of course, stress some things that need to be said. Also, this is probably good. Jesse, you taught history. Yes. So this you're not coming at this from just an amateurish kind of thing.

So the unfortunate part of saying aliens have been around for a long time or that it's there are many known instances in the past is one, it's our modern interpretation of what was being said. Of course, who? Everyone seems to forget that cultural change is not a thing that happens quickly or an instant or it happened at a moment and then another moment and then another moment. Cultural change and the idea of growing and trying to figure out who you are as as a human being and as a civilization happens slowly over time and at a very slow constant pace. It always happens. So human beings, even though right now we're like, we are very innovative and we come up with all sorts of fun things and we're drastically moving at the speed of light

with technology and microchips and all that stuff. Humanity as a species has been changing and growing since our first existence, right? And the thing people forget and I feel like this is the egotistic nature of who we are. We forget that our past ancestors were intelligent and capable and innovative and just because we think we are better than them doesn't mean they didn't also feel the same way about the people who came before them, right? And so everyone over a long period of time grows and creates and so those of us alive today right now are the product of this long history of innovation and change and we just like them looked back at the people before them and were like, hmm, I wonder how those like less than people, right?

The people who couldn't have possibly built the pyramids or couldn't have possibly have done this or they didn't understand this or what it had to have been aliens that helped them with this because they were like, we looked down on them just like they looked down on the people before them. And so when you look at civilizations, again, humanity can, when we put our mind to anything, we can do it. So all these things about pyramids, well, a pyramid is a geometric shape that is, the reason why it's everywhere around the world is because it's something that is mathematically sound. So if you're smart, you can figure this stuff out and it's not like aliens said build pyramids. So one of the things I think is fascinating is when you look at all these aspects of the past,

another thing to remember is they had archaeologists, not called archaeologists, but 2000 years ago there were still people discovering things in the ground that they were like, hmm, I wonder what this could be and that would be part of their story and backstory as well. And they'd be like, oh, this could be a thing, right? So we as a civilization, as a species, have been doing the same thing we're doing right now forever. And so when you see stuff chiseled on walls, we are like, oh, well, they must have seen it, but we don't know that. We don't know that what they saw is what they saw.

It's them telling a story and writing it down. And so we put a lot of weight into like, well, they're ancient, so they must be more knowledgeable about certain things and less knowledgeable about other things. They didn't know what it was, but it's clearly like that kind of stuff. And so going back to, was it Livy, whoever was saying, you know, we saw ships. Remember, in his mind, a ship literally is like a little tiny boat. Yeah. So if they saw little tiny boats in the sky, what is like, aliens aren't shown up in boats in the sky. If he saw a saucer and like a air quotes flying saucer, if he saw that, he would not describe it as a boat, right?

It would be something else. And so the questions then that are raised from that, I think are fascinating, but a reminder that we throughout time have constantly dealt with the, what is this, how does this work? Let me, you know, conspiracy theory this, like even our ancient ancestors came up with wacky theories and then wrote them down. Yeah. I mean, here's just a fast forward time a little bit. Like there is actually a, in my opinion, more interesting and a little bit more, I don't want to say credible, but it happened in 1561 over Nuremberg. It was called the Celestial Phenomenon of Nuremberg and it was written down in their newspapers that they have,

we have like pictures of and actually exists. And it says around dawn on April 14th in 1561, residents of Nuremberg say they saw what they described as an aerial battle, followed by the appearance of a large black triangular object and then a large crash outside of the city. According to witnesses, there were hundreds of, there were hundreds of spheres, cylinders and other odd shaped objects that moved erratically overhead in the skies. And you can actually see what they drew, like they printed in their newspaper, just look up 1561 Celestial Phenomenon of Nuremberg. Oh, I'm doing it right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it up. 1561 Nuremberg?

Yep, April 14th, 1561 Nuremberg. The text on the broadsheet, I'll read out the text that they wrote in their like newspapers. In the morning of April 14th, 1561 at daybreak between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun. And then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city before the gates and in the country by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood red semi-circular arcs, which would remind me of like maybe like a solar flare or something. Just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun above and below on both sides, the color was blood. There stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferris color.

Likewise, there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun, such blood red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, some also alone. But in between- That is fucking crazy. It's cool. In between these globes that were visible, a few blood red crosses between which there were blood red strips becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed grass, which were intermingled among them two big rods. One on the right, the other on the left, and within the small and big rods there were three also four and more globes. And then there's a bunch more to read out. So here's a fascinating thing about this, and I love God bless historians.

This is why I studied history. So this is actually a very well-known incident. But the big question here is that the reason why it's well known is because of this story. There's no evidence other than this broadsheet as it's called. This is the only evidence. There's no other written documentation of this. So this is the only thing. And so saying hundreds or thousands of people seeing it, it's only what this thing says happened. And then another fascinating thing that I love is this.

At the time, of course, there's the printing press, right? So it's like exists. Just like today, and this is why history is awesome, just like today, there were newspapers and then there were things called broadsheets. Broadsheets were pamphlets contained a lot of stories and allegories and folklore. So it's kind of like... See, I didn't know that. That's cool. Yeah, so this was in one of those broadsheets. So the potential that, again, because it's old, the potential for people to be like,

Oh, well, it must be real because it's old and it exists and it was printed. And back then they didn't make stuff up. Yeah, no, they had basic comic books or readers digest or things like that. That's what this was in. See, that's cool. But then how do you explain the Black Hawk helicopter that appears in the Temple of SETI the first at Abidus? I don't explain that. You got me. You got me. See, that's such an important piece of information for people to know is like what is a broadsheet and what's the difference.

First of all, I'm super glad you knew that because in my... Again, I'm looking for highlights and things to just bring up as talking points. You know, I'm not going super in depth with these particular things. But the fact that you knew that, that's fucking cool. And now that adds or takes away rather a lot of credibility to this particular reporting because it's more or less coming out in what I would assume is like a tabloid in the 1500s. But with that's exactly where we see the same stuff now. Right, exactly. And as much as that's, you know, a rational minded person's way of looking at this and being like, well, this isn't super credible evidence, right?

Which it isn't, obviously. Like it's also the very same place that you, that, you know, as a society, you know, we've decided like that's a crazy thing. You know, and so the only place you ever see those crazy things like Batboy or whatever the fuck else is in these like sort of like looked down upon magazines. But I also, I do feel like though, like if this something this massive happened where tons of people saw a sky battle, it would be more than just what would be, you know, a panflit or something that told stories back then. Well, sure. I don't know. It's again, it's interesting and it's cool. But I much like you said at the beginning, take it with a grain of salt.

But here's the, here's the fascinating thing. Over time, and this is, this is what I'm not, this is why I think, man, I love stuff like this. Over time, the term broadsheet eventually became a large format newspaper, right? And less sensationalist than tabloids. So it's, it's, I can't, I can't, I love this stuff. It's one of those things where I don't know exactly. Well, there's no one that could be another thing. Right, right, right.

In 1566 over Basel, there's a very similar story that happened only two years later that, that was in Switzerland. And they have, it's in there, what is they, what they call a pan, they actually just call it a panflit from the thing I'm reading of these circular objects in the sky going to war. So, but the idea is that the idea of circular objects in the sky and having like weird, like being ships or something has gone back. That's the point. Okay. Let me interrupt really quick. I figured out, I did my research. Okay.

A tabloid, at least during the time, and I guess you could say today, a tabloid, it was a small minded, basic like entertainment. Editorial with gossip and trivia and half truths, right? Broadsheets were the exact same thing except they use bigger words. They were more intellectual and they described things and offered social commentary. So they're roughly same things that one was a more high-minded. Like a zine. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So it's, it, broadsheet is still not newspaper, but it offers something that is like, it seems more real because it's like, well, we're talking about a scientific thing.

Right. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. The point being, there's been reports going back thousands and thousands of years, whether they're credible or not is, you know, will always be up for debate. But, you know, you don't know off the top of your head. The, so the next thing is, okay, well, they've been visiting for so long. Why?

Why have the aliens been visiting for so long? Well, the first thing you need to know is that there's two different types of aliens. The mean ones and the nice ones. You see, the hostile aliens, the mean ones, are part of what is known amongst most people, at least I can tell, the greater community out in space. You see, there's a war happening out in space and has been for thousands of years. And it's not a physical conquest, it's a battle of will and it's a psychic war. Freedom and free will are not allowed and very few species have fought and earned the ability to have a free and insular planet in community. It is difficult to have a free people in this galaxy where most are not free and are ruled over.

They are suppressed to maintain order, provide security and stability after going through long eras of war, competition and conflict. These larger networks have been established after those long wars have happened. In this region of space, war is suppressed and outright conquest is no longer allowed. If a nation wishes to gain advantage and influence in another world, such as in an emerging world like Earth, they must use more subtle means and employ other agents to carry out such an intervention. We face a non-human universe where freedom is rare, a universe that will seem foreign and even hostile to our presence should we escape the bounds of our very solar system. So there's a psychic war happening and aliens are mean and they want us and the reason they want Earth is twofold as far as I can tell. One, for us, humanity and their ability to have free will and their spirituality and the fact that religion apparently still exists on our planet is all very important to them. And Earth itself is very resource rich and we're destroying it and they're trying to stop us from that because the planet is too useful.

Okay, so it's almost like, how do I describe this? The whole planet is trying to be conquered while still following some sort of prime directive ass rule. Yes, because the reason this is the way it is, it's basically an accepted quote-unquote prime directive is that aliens are technically not allowed to interfere with us unless we openly, as a species, openly invite them to do so. Otherwise, you know, their laws dictate they cannot openly interfere with us. It's like literally the prime directive. Yes, more or less, but they're still breaking it. They're just trying to break it quietly to the point where, you know, their government or whatever doesn't come down on them. So that's the hostile aliens and we'll go over what what species kind of belong in the hostile race. And then the basic, is there like a is there like a singular source for this? No.

Are you I mean, are you are you operating off like a specific version of this story? I'm operating off of multiple versions that all kind of say the same thing. And this is one of those things where, again, somehow humanity is very important to this story, which makes it seem like, like BS to me. This is the aspect that I also like smell BS with and we're going to get to it when we get to the races specifically, because a lot of the races that are dominant quote-unquote one specific race I'm thinking of feels very white supremacy. I think I think most of these things are like supremacy. I'm serious. Most of them are just BS to me. Yes, especially this whole like there's a war out there and you know they need humanity.

But what I do think is fascinating, but I don't know if it's related to this created this or was inspired by this. But have you ever heard of the what is it called the Kardashev scale? The Kardashev scale. It's about it's about galactic civilizations. I think it's fascinating. Michio Kaku talks a lot about it and he created another version of it, but there's like multiple different. Oh, this is like like classes of civilizations type of thing. There's like multiple different versions of civilizations.

So there is type one and there's actually a type zero, which basically so let's just start from the beginning. There's a type zero civilization and this is basically this idea that they can. Oh my God, I just discovered that there's minus types as well. But anyway, I'm not gonna let's not get into that type zero is sort of you can manipulate the planet that you're on, right? Like you are whatever you are, you can create buildings and you can build roads like like you can make a fire or like yeah, yeah, yeah, like the human race. Like I mean human race, let's say pre-19, I don't know, 60, let's say. So you can manipulate the world you're on. Then there's a type one and a type one is basically you can harness the energy that falls on the planet from the parent star.

So you can harness sunlight and you can sort of rocket fuel your way off the planet and you can visit the moon, for example, right? But then that's a type one. A type two is you can harness the energy radiating from your star and visit other planets in your own solar system. So you can travel to other planets freely. It isn't like a huge pain they ask to do it. It's not, we're not there yet. Right, we're not there yet. And a great example they say here is the construction of a Dyson sphere is a great example of being a type two.

A type three is you can move throughout your galaxy. You can harness the energy of your galaxy and move from one point in the galaxy to another point in the galaxy. And that is a type three. This is like not even Star Trek. Right, right, right. That's beyond Star Trek. It's more Star Wars actually when you think about it, right? And then type four, which is one that Dr. Michikaku added, is the idea of being able to harness extra galactic energy. To the point where you can use dark energy.

To the point where basically you're less physical and more like an energy being. And you can move between. And the big thing with all of this and the thing that they stress every single time is that the transition between each phase is a point of tremendous insane turmoil. That only two options occur. You either wipe yourselves out as a species or you move on. There is no in between. And so what happens is, like for example, the movement from a type zero, which is why there isn't really type zero, but it's just sort of one of those things they added. Like moving from type zero to type one, a huge change has to occur.

Just like type one to type two. In order for us to move beyond Earth, we as Earthlings, I would assume, have to come together or we'll all die here on the planet. And I think that's the idea. And then moving on and on and on and on. And so the theory is that there are many millions of civilizations out in the stars, but many of them are dead. And we'd find many ruins because they could not move on from one phase to the next. But with that said, that also means there are many, many, many civilizations out in the stars that are type two or type three or possibly type four. Which means that they are so powerful and so advanced that to us, we wouldn't even understand what they were if we saw them.

And that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting from the aliens, from X-Files vibes. To be honest, that idea of the type four, which is like this ethereal thing, when we start eventually talking about abduction scenarios and these creatures that are maybe piercing the reality and coming from different dimensions, it's constantly talked about that these aliens, when we see them, they almost look human. And there's always little differences. It kind of influenced the fact that they are projecting to us what a form or something that our brain can accept. And that's not what they look like, but it's the closest they can make themselves look like us to a point where our brains are like, okay, we know what we're looking at. That bit from Galaxy Quest where he shows them the real form and it's like an awkward, like, tentacle muppet beast.

Yeah, I mean, but that's talked about, that's been being talked about for fucking ever. So it's true. Here's a crazy addition. So Carl Sagan studied this and a bunch of other scientists have studied this as well. And according to them, even though I was under the assumption because we have solar power and stuff like that, they have solid numbers that they say you must pass this in order to achieve what type of civilization you are. According to all the research, we are still a type zero. We haven't even reached a type one yet.

And according to Michio Kaku, his forecast for when we'll hit type one is the next 100 to 200 years. Then type two and the next few thousand years, based on where we're at now, because if you remember in the 50s and 60s and 70s, people thought now we'd have flying cars. We're still in the same cars we were in 10 years ago, 20 years ago. So type two was basically free travel between our own solar system. A few thousand years. Type three, 100,000 to a million years. Type three is the Star Wars type.

Yeah, yeah. Being able to just go wherever with light speed and shit. That's only if you believe that aliens haven't already made a contract with our government to trade technology for being able to abduct humans on Earth. That's true. No, seriously, though, that's, and I think that's the fascinating thing is that it's the polar opposite of this. This science right here says, don't get your hopes up. We're not going anywhere anytime soon unless we, as a society, make a drastic change. Right?

What they're saying is- Or outside influence. Exactly. A lot of people, when they see society only changing in like, we have a better phone now, right? People say there's got to be something more to us as a species and as a, like, existence. And so what if there was a Star Trek-y kind of thing where someone came and saved us from ourselves? I think that's what pushes this idea of, well, there's a galactic war. And the reason why we're important is because we're going to play a role in that galactic war and get us off of this planet.

It inspires people. It's like religious belief in human potential. Absolutely. Yeah. And some of the research that I was doing when talking about this stuff, a lot of those websites actually led to their weird religious gatherings that they have, like, once or twice a year. Very cultish in a lot of ways. But, I mean, if there are, you know, again, we'll get into it in another time, but talking about, like, government documents that we actually have in our hands and the Majestic 12 and who those are. And these potential actual, like, deals that we may or may not have with aliens to allow them to abduct us.

But in turn, we get technology, which is where people think some people think that's how we got, you know, internet so quickly because it was a technology transfer. That's that stuff we could talk about another time. There's also the good aliens, which is aliens who we don't actually know who they are. They're only friendly in the fact that they don't want the hostile aliens to interfere and intervene and, like, you know, mess with us. They're like guardian angels? Kind of. They apparently, some of the stories that I've read and they change a little bit as to, you know, specifics. But they have an outpost somewhere in our solar system where they're watching us and trying to make sure we're being kept safe.

They can't interfere because if they get caught by the bad aliens, then they're going to have to deal with the bad aliens coming in and trying to rule them because they're one of the few species who are independent of that weird galactic empire, if you want to use Star Wars terms. So they're super advanced then. Everything that it that visits us is like super, super advanced. Most, if not all of them are what I, you know, going to the scale would be considered type four weird interdimensional beings. Again, most of what I'm saying here I find is just fucking bullshit. But what I find interesting when it comes to the alien phenomena is that we've had too many government people after they've left the government come out and say, like, you know, even the most recent with Project Black Book and the CIA staffer who no longer works there is just like, no, we definitely think we're being visited on the planet and being researched and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's just a lot of stuff out there.

The idea of being researched seems like not realistic, right? Like at first it seems sci-fi-ish, right? But then like what do we do every time we go fucking anywhere? You know what I mean? We poke it and we prod it and we want to learn more about it. Yeah, I mean, like as a humanity, we fucking do that to our own animals on our own planet. We're not enslaving them. There's also the theories that we're like Earth is like a zoo type planet where a bunch of creatures were put on to evolve and we get watched and tested so often. But we're going to move now because that's like the overview of why we're getting visited.

Now the question is who is visiting us? And the thing is anywhere between from my research, depending on who you talk to, anywhere between four and like 16 or 15 different alien species are visiting us. I just, can I? Please, please do. I just, here's my problem. If someone said aliens are visiting and be like, okay, cool. If you said we know nothing about them, you're like, all right, cool. I believe you. I don't think we would know anything about them because they're so advanced. That's where, and that's why I like the government people when they come out like we don't know much about them. We just think they're here and they're visiting us and that's it.

But I think all of the like, yes, well, I've been in contact with Lord Zargoth who is- Oh God. And I feel like all of those, the reason why there's so many races is because I feel like there's been a collective of people trying to sell books who were like, look, I'm not going to poo poo your thing if you don't poo poo my thing. And then we all make money off of this. And I feel like 99.999% of it is BS. And as we go through these different alien species, just think to yourself, where did this come from? Who created this? What was the reasoning behind this? And why do they still continue to talk about it?

And I guarantee- But also we need this information. But also we need this information to be able to understand further alien mythology conspiracies. Oh yes, no, I agree. I just think, oh, please, when you're done listening to this, go look up like, when did the lizard people first appear? When was the first person who talked about the Nordic people? All these different things. When do they first show up?

And why do they show up? Yeah, reach back down into that little ramekin and grab another grain of- Yeah, I guarantee you're going to come to the same conclusion that I did, that most of these are BS. Like created to sell an idea. But that's all I'm going to say. Please continue. So we're just going to hit like three or four of the main species that are kind of accepted throughout, and I say this with the biggest of air quotes, UFO researchers.

Yeah. The first one I will talk about is one that Jesse just brought up, the reptilians, the lizard people, the reptiloids or the draconians, depending on what website you read. You know, President Obama. They are- Right, President Obama, some of his CIA staff- That is my favorite clip ever online. Like the weird digitized like glitch.

They're like, see, he has a third eyelid. Yes, you got to see that. Oh my god. It blows my mind. And then the four hour reptilian interview that is all like text to speech and it's just so- It was really late when I turned it on and I like fell asleep in like five minutes because I didn't- It like ASMR'd me to sleep. It was crazy.

So the reptilians are either- are one of two things. Again, depending on where you research. Reptilians are either the first species that was conscious on Earth. They are- they predate us by millennia. They are the true owners of Earth. They live in the caves and they still work with our governments and all this other stuff. And they're- This is the story that I'm familiar with.

Yeah, so they're not necessarily evil, but they do mean things and they're meat eaters and, you know, like all this other- That's insane! No shit, it's insane. That's- Lizard people who live on Earth who just happen to not want to- They're like, well, we want to control them, but not like- We don't want them to know that we're controlling them. Well, mostly they just like laying on warm rocks and like not moving for years.

So like, I feel like that's why they're just like, alright, you guys just like don't fuck with us and we'll chill out. But if you fuck with us, we'll eat you. The story goes with that particular thing, is they lived here for a long time before- Before like, monkeys evolved, right? Right, so the story goes, while they were, you know, conscious and had civilizations on the ground, above ground, other aliens came, abducted a bunch of apes and disappeared. And then like, 50 to 100 years later, they came back and kind of dropped off hyper-evolved apes, which would then become humans.

And with the assistance of these other species, these other plant, these other aliens, humanity quickly surpassed the reptilians and we took over as the dominant species on Earth. All while that particular alien species did everything they could to kind of go against and in war against the reptilians to make them the not dominant species, which screams human made up story because we want to be- You mean Land of the Lost? You mean TV show Land of the Lost? Oh my god, that show was great. It sounds like Dianetics. It also- It's insane.

It also, here's the problem with this. If the same person talking about lizard people being the ancient alien race, are the same people who are like, well, you know, the ancient tombs and pyramids, they show aliens, where are the lizard people on the ancient alien walls? It's the same way that you would remove a bad pharaoh like Akhenaten from history by scrubbing him from your artwork. Are you telling me that the human race is greatest enemy rather than acknowledge our victory as a species over the dastardly lizard people?

No, no, no, that's where you're wrong. We never went to war with the lizard people. The alien overlords. We didn't even know that they were around. The other aliens that hyper-evolved us had this war against the reptilians, all while caring for us again. So which aliens are these? Oh, the hyper-advance race.

Typically, they're accepted as the Nordics. Is that the Greys? No, that's the boss of the Greys. No, the Nordics are the white people. The white ones. Space, space, space, white, haired, blonde, blonde, white blonde hair. Yes, remember how I said white supremacy-ish? That's where the Nordics come in.

You said white supremacy, which was my favorite adjective. You were like, they sound a little white supremacy. No, that's exactly what it is. But we'll get to them later. The other story of the reptilians is that they're just a very war-like species out in space that is looking to just take Earth for themselves. Everyone's got to have a Klingon. Of course.

It's so dumb. That's so dumb. It's so hard for me to not have got... Here's the other thing. My brain is filled with useless information because of this shit. I want to talk about the secret military base that has multiple 12 or 13 floors underground, and each floor belongs to a particular alien species, and we deal with them diplomatically there.

Oh, it's like the UN of Aliens? Yes, but there's a ton of information out there that says that exists. Again, information has air quotes around it. It's wild, dude. It's so wild and I can't wait to talk about it someday. Okay, let's go to the greys. Greys aren't the most common, right? Everybody knows what the greys are.

They're like the three-foot-tall, big bald head, black eyes, tiny mouth with like no strings. This is like the Mario of Aliens. Yeah, and the greys almost completely or overwhelmingly are accepted as abducting us the most, and a lot of the stories that come with the greys is that they're abducting us because either A, the greys are future humans that are coming back in time and need our DNA because they no longer can breed properly and they're creating hybrids and the like, or they're still abducting us and creating hybrids, but the reason they're creating hybrids is because they want to infiltrate our government

and all this other stuff with human-ish people with alien masterminds. And what's cool about those abduction stories is that a lot of them are like they'll abduct females and males and they'll make these children and then every so many years they'll come back and re-abduct these people. And this is interesting and kind of true, not the abduction aspect, the hybrid aspect, but abduction scenarios seem to run in families. If you ever do any research on alien abductions, almost all the time people who get abducted, their parents or their grandparents will have seen UFOs as they were kids or possibly they were abducted and it always kind of runs in the family.

But question, do we have a like, let's say mother-daughter pair who both are like, we were both abducted or do we have more, well, I was abducted and I heard that my grandma was abducted. Do we have one person telling this story to back up their story or do we have families that are like, yes, I was abducted and my grandma was abducted too? We have both. We have people who say and say the family, but we have a lot of testimonials from the mother or the father and the grandmother who's, there's a lot of families that come out and say, no, I've been seeing them for ever since I was a kid. The reality is, of course, that you can't tell which one is begetting the other.

Again, and also before I make this joke, this is a darker podcast everybody, but a lot of the abduction stories can also be rooted back in like, pretty sure that's just your brain covering up for some molestation when you were a kid. It's weird that your alien reminds you of old Uncle Joe. I've read a couple stories online about people realizing that their weird stories were abuse, but I'm not saying, what I do not want to do is draw a line between people who believe in aliens and people who've been molested. No, not at all.

But that is a thing. Right, but it also, you know, begs the reason why are all of the alien abduction sexual, right? Right? Yeah. I guess not all, but many of them are. A lot of them are like anal probes. Yeah, there's like a lot of stories of them clasping something onto the dick and just forcing them to jizz into a jar kind of thing. Yeah, I feel like there's, yeah, I feel like, again, there's always the possibility that this could be a real world thing or an alien thing.

Or mix. Yeah, I just don't believe the alien part, but I definitely believe that there's something else clearly happened. Oh, for sure, for sure. Do we generally believe that the aliens from the dissection autopsy videos are grays? Is that the understanding? That's kind of like the understanding that they are what we, you know, think grays are, but there's also a ton of evidence that those autopsy videos are hoaxes by a long shot. Well, of course. But, you know, what came first?

What came first, the description of the grays or the hoax that made the grays common? Absolutely. The fascinating thing is like, when you look at stuff like this, what was the original point? What was the origin of these descriptions? And then how much are people BSing, but being like, oh, I remember reading about a gray and it looked like this. And so all it does is like reinforce the origin, but it's BS, but people are like, well, everyone saw seeing grays, so they must be the dominant alien. Like that kind of stuff where what is real and what is fake and what created the other. It's fascinating to me.

Yeah, it's wild. And I love it. And again, I just, I wish we were going to get to it over time. We have many, many podcast episodes to go. So again, everything we're talking about is very surface level to get you at least kind of knowledgeable about certain aspects, like why people believe they're being abducted and who was abducting and why. So did you say the grays worked for the whites? So, okay, so there's two. That's what he said.

Yeah, that's what he said. I'm pretty sure those words actually did come out of my mouth, but there's there's multiple theories as to what the grays are. So there's that theory that they're future humans and they're trying to, you know, bring, re-breed and create hybrids or that they're trying to infiltrate our government. Almost every story, the grays are typically at best neutral, but most often nefarious in some way. And then there's the theory that the grays are not actually biological. They're a mix of biological and machine and they work for the tall whites. The tall whites are also known as Nordics, Arian aliens, sometimes known as space brothers. If you've heard the term Pleiadians or Plejarans, they're also, they also go by that name.

Venousians or Garthans, these are the white supremacists of space. This is the white supremacists these aliens had to have come from human minds because these guys are known for the most part. They come from ancient Earth. The reason that the information, the story on them is like they're white and blonde hair and blue-eyed because that is the natural form of, you know, hyper-advanced perfect species. They're taller than us, more beautiful than us. Like, yeah, no, it's insane. Let's take a moment, let's take a moment to remind everyone that the human race, the species we are, comes from Africa and the Middle East. And white people, my very pale skin is because my ancestors decided to move to the coldest damn place ever.

And they no longer needed to have dark skin as evolutionary growth over time. And so now I look like this. And then Jesse's people dropped out of college after staying in for seven years and then moved to LA and got an internship for internet startups and then started a YouTube channel and that's my people. Yeah. But like that's, I mean, that's how it all works. So, you know, you can't say like... No, this is just... Are you trying to tell me that these are Nazi aliens?

I'm trying to tell you that they're bullshit aliens. They are Nazi aliens. I like the idea that these perfect blonde hair blue-eyed guys would show up and be like, we created humanity. But we decided to drop them off in the heart of Africa and also kind of make them like have to go through evolution to get to us. Makes no sense. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Are you telling me this line here I'm about to read definitely comes from the minds of humans and not facts? In a contactee in ufology literature, Nordic aliens are often described as benevolent or magical beings who want to observe and communicate with humans and are concerned about the earth's environment or prospects for world peace.

Believer is also ascribed, I'm sorry, powers to Nordic aliens. Hold on man, hold on. Oh, yep. I hear. No, he's about to be abducted by the tall whites. The tall whites are coming for him. He's been speaking out. He spoke out too much.

It doesn't. It just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't make sense. Listen, you're getting you. The dog can hear you. All right. Yeah. Wallace knows the truth.

It's just. Wait, there's still another good line. Yeah. No, we'll wait till he gets back. I'm not going to. Oh, it's great dude. But this is, you know, while Alex is doing a thing, this is the problem with UFO research because any actual UFO research is modeled with this bullshit. It makes doing any type of research nearly impossible not to be laughed at because this garbage exists.

So I hear it, Alex. Return. Welcome back, Alex. Hi. So the next line says believers also ascribe telepathic powers to Nordic aliens and describe them as paternal, watchful, smiling, affectionate and youthful. Space Brothers is the worst of the nicknames. And then most specifically, white extraterrestrials are those that are most revered. Yikes.

Are you? God damn it. Like, come on. Try harder. Like, it's ridiculous. I feel like somebody's doing like almost like targeted marketing right here. It's insane, dude. It's insane.

And there's stories out there which we will talk when we get to the aspect and another episode of people who claim they have personal psychics. Personal psychic communication with these people and are like the ambassador of the Nordic aliens. With the tall whites? Yeah, man. Are they like white supremacists? You know, that's a good question. I just don't understand. Why they look like what we would, by we I mean crazy people, why we would consider the perfect human.

Why do they look like that when the perfect alien species technically would look nothing like us? Because they're from ancient Earth. We're completely imperfect. They're born and raised, Earth, baby. Our physical beings are imperfect. But they are dear. Yeah, they're from Earth. They're from ancient Earth.

Wait, what? So ancient Earth. It is said that they are from ancient Earth. Question, again, ponderance. In our galaxy of ours, in our universe of ours, we are technically on the newer side of things. Correct. There are many galaxies that exist and probably many species that exist far more than us. So why are the tall whites the like, we're the most powerful?

Because they're from Earth. I give up. This is dumb. Like white supremacists created them to justify their worldview. Garbage beliefs, yeah. So those are like the three mains. There's also a few others that are known as little green men, which are kind of like shorter, like, dumber looking grays. You win these and they wear basketball jerseys at state fairs.

And then there's the hop. There's also like a weird one that's small, greenish and also silver. Again, they look like grays, but they're known as hops, hopskin, Hopkinsville goblins, which I only recently learned of while doing the research. I know all about the Hopkinsville goblins. Do you? That's a great, like sort of like folk sighting of aliens. That's enough. That's on Kentucky, right?

I don't know exactly where it is for sure. But the story is familiar to me because the Pokemon stabilize based off Hopkinsville goblin. That's hilarious. Yeah, they're from Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. A Christian in Christian County, Kentucky is where the legend of them comes from. The story involves like a family being terrorized by like little goblins.

I never really was like 100% on the angle that they were aliens. I've heard that story told in other contexts as well, but I have heard the alien angle. Well, here's the other. Here's the other thing about aliens. Everything's an alien once you start researching aliens. Yeah. That's real. Everything is an alien.

It's insane. Remember when all the toys that we made is like that we had as kids literally were the alien from aliens, but like a horse and as like, like as like other things. Oh man. Thank God. Well, who knows? Maybe it does exist, but the alien from aliens doesn't exist because then we just be dead. Yeah.

That'd be rough. The other the other thing like with Graze is that they are there. Like I was saying before, they're like a weird nanomachine semi biologic, biologic semi machine creature overall. And they're just they serve the they serve the tall whites. That's that's kind of the point we were getting at there. And there's a bunch of other ones that doesn't it doesn't really matter because there's just so fucking many of them that it's there's like shapeless aliens that are just like energy

balls and which a lot of people and including myself are believe like it's like swamp gas and all that other stuff. People see like these weird lights on the swamp that lead them to their death and all this nonsense. People believe that's aliens. There's just there's so much. I would love to watch a documentary just on how the fuck swamp gas actually works because that is like such a I've never really like actually until this moment fucking actually

thought about what the hell that means. I've actually read and not too long ago, maybe a month or so ago about swamp gas and that whole aspect, because when swamp gas came out to explain a phenomenon that was happening, which I think it initially came around in the early 1900s or mid 1900s. The it was it was just like weird combusting swamp gas that was happening out in the in the in the swamps. And the media really latched on to that and a lot of the quote unquote UFO sightings and stuff started being labeled as swamp gas a lot of the time when even when it didn't make

any sense. However, the phenomenon that is combusting swamp gas is real and does happen like farting a small fireball out of a swamp. Yeah, it's like God, it's because I did not something I recently brushed up on. But the way it works, I think is like it's really just thick, heavy gas kind of just combusts due to like the perfect circumstances happening like methane and stuff like that. Yeah, it's that kind of thing. The problem is I never one ignites either.

If one ignites, it usually hits a trail of other ones. And that's why it looks like it's leading them away. Right. Because as soon as one happens, it's like a chain effect. It's like a will of the Wisp. That it also what people believe will of Wisp is usually swamp gas stuff. But the problem is, and this is why I think at least on the side of saying swamp gas is BS, is like swamp gas, how can it possibly get as high as people are like, it's in the sky, right?

Well, that's why the media people clung onto it. It was just like it doesn't make any fucking sense that it would be swamp gas. Right. All right. With that in mind, now we could talk a little bit more about some more popular sightings around the world. Because at this point, so we now know why people believe aliens are visiting, and we now know the aliens that typically visit the most.

If we actually want to talk a little bit about how it's being allowed, we can. We're already an hour in, which is crazy, but that's the problem with alien episodes. So there's a belief that the aliens have made a pact with multiple governments or a secret world government known as the Majestic 12, which started in the U.S. and then became a worldwide thing. This is like the lullay-lullay-low kind of stuff. Yeah, the New World Order, the true Illuminati, all that other stuff. And the idea is that we have made pact with multiple, or treaties with multiple different alien species.

And we usually give them is an allotment of how many people they can abduct throughout a year or however many years or whatever. Like a hunting license. Yeah, more or less, yeah. But this whole explanation goes to explain why people who are abducted are usually abducted on back roads and stuff. So they're allowed a certain amount of abductions a year, and in turn, they trade technology with us and advance us and whatnot. But the problem is, and what a lot of people worry about, is that the aliens are nefarious and they're giving us useless information.

They're giving us useless technology, stuff that we find fun and exciting, but doesn't really push us forward in the direction that we would want to go when it comes to joining these intergalactic federations and stuff. Question. Yeah, sure. What is our leverage against these aliens that we can say, you give us technology and we'll give you people, but not too many people, but make sure you give us technology when you do. Like, why wouldn't they just take what they wanted to take when they wanted to take it?

Like, what is the leverage we have over aliens to make them only take so many? Well, when talking about that, there are many arguments that they break that contract all the fucking time and we can't do anything. But why do we have a contract? Like, how could a contract have been created? To keep us calm and kind of complacent. But we couldn't fight them anyway. It's nonsense.

Nonsense. Well, remember, it's a psychic war. He wanted to get the flower for his fiance, Ed Roswell. And then the men in black got started. Oh, right. You're right. You're right. You're right.

Yeah. There is explanations as to why they even bother, but a lot of that goes into, again, the importance of humanity or the importance of our planet. It's almost not worth going that in depth in this stuff. Not right now. Like, into, like, why there's a government there. Because, like, every time you read a story, it's going to change to, like, match whatever point the story is going to make. So as long as you get the broad strokes, you can, like, it's like learning Bible references. Does that make sense?

Yeah. No, I think I get where you're kind of getting at there. But I think it will be something, when we start talking about the Majestic 12 and all that other secret government stuff in another episode, that kind of contract and stuff is going to be important to talk about. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's, that's, like, central to that specific story. But I mean, if we tell another story about alien abductions that has to go into, like, government agreements, like, you might not even get the Majestic 12 in that story.

You know what I mean? Yeah, no. That's, yeah, exactly. Anyway, as far as leverage is concerned, Jesse, the answer is, like, it depends on what you believe the aliens actually want out of us, that kind of thing. But the idea is also, like, they don't want to panic the public, which is why a lot of abductions happen on back roads and away from cities and all this other stuff, because that way there's no mass, you know, witnesses and it's usually just a very specific people that kind of happens.

And there's actually a, I think it's called the 34th parallel that stretches across the United States. That a ton of alien abductions typically happen right along that parallel line. Really? On Earth. Yeah. Yep, yep. Worldwide? There's a book on it, too.

I don't know if it's worldwide. I know it's at least U.S. specific. Wow. Yeah. There's, I think it's a book called the 34th parallel. I would love to, I would love to look into that. That's very interesting. Yeah.

It's cool. It's wild. But the idea of them coming in and abducting us, the reason it's allowed is because the government's letting them and there's been, you know, contact. The government has had contact with aliens since at least the 50s, and the reason the aliens took interest in us started, at least in some circles, when we learned to split the atom. That's when we made ourselves notable to aliens,

when we started to harness that microscopic power of the atom and learned to make it, you know, a destructive force and all this stuff and stuff. That's when the aliens were like, okay, now we need to maybe start getting involved because they're going to destroy their own planet. Yeah, which places it in the 40s and 50s as like the birthplace. Yeah, the starting point and then Roswell and all that other stuff. Interesting. All right.

Yeah, it's cool. Again, it's cool. And I keep repeating it, but again, remember, we're all just kind of touching surface level stuff to give you a base understanding. So there's two main sightings that I'd love to talk about just a little bit, and they're the mass sightings, the things that there's video evidence that you can go and see and look at, and there's a ton of books that you can go and read.

The first one we can talk about is the Hudson Valley UFO sightings. These took place in 1952, and these were where tons and tons of people saw kind of the same thing. And a lot of it is very, very, very interesting. We can jump into a little bit about it, but basically the idea is in this little area, hundreds of people saw the same thing and all called in to their local police station and all that nonsense to let them know.

So there is the... This is the V-shaped one? This is the V... Technically, both sightings are V... There's V-shapes in them. But yeah, this is the sighting where tons of people saw the very same thing. A set of lights in a V-shape moving slowly across the sky, emitting very little sound, usually just a low hum.

And that's about it. And some of the explanations that I see is like it was flares or this other stuff, but if it was flares, that V-shape wouldn't have stuck. It wouldn't have stuck as a V-shape for hours or however long it was that people saw it. And there's actual... And this took place in the 80s, not the 50s. I'm incorrect. I apologize.

This... The V-shape moved so slowly and there's tons and tons of people who all said the same thing, who didn't talk to each other because it was all set on the same night, that they had thoughts of like, wow, that's really pretty. I wish it would get closer. And the ship, the V-shape ship, would slowly start turning around and coming towards them. Never really abducted them, but came close enough where they could see it longer.

And that adds a lot of, I don't want to say credibility, but more to the idea that UFOs are both a physical and psychic phenomenon. That they are there physically, but also maybe are psychically connected to us in our brains or whatever to pierce the reality to arrive. And that there's multiple accounts of people saying they saw the lights. They thought it was really pretty. They wish it could get a closer look. And all of a sudden, this V-shaped thing started coming closer.

Interesting. The other side of the coin, however, is that, you know, that's all hearsay. And while it definitely probably wasn't flares or anything... Oh, this is the airplanes! It could have been either airplanes, right? Or it could be a one particular ship that might have been a secret government test of like a new type of ship and see how quietly it ran and if it would be noticed. And the thing is, we'll never really know.

What's cool and weird about the Hudson-Dallas sightings is that hundreds of people saw it, but it never fucking hit the mainstream media. It stuck in that one town and didn't leak out until years later. And even then, it never got into the mainstream. And there are stories of like the government quickly coming in after it happened and telling the new stations and stuff to kill the story and not talk about it. And that, I mean, that could be seen as either government trying to stop alien conversations or the government stopping their own personal air force

or their own personal test plane from getting into the main news. For some reason, I remember this being the one where there was like a group of like pranksters that flew airplanes that like flew in a V-shape. I can't remember if that's actually this one, but there was like one where it was like, there were many reported sightings, but on one day when a bunch of people saw it, it was because there was like a prank team. But I can't remember if that was this one or if this, I don't think it was the Phoenix one. And then there was the one in Mexico, but I can't remember which one it was,

but it was like, oh yeah, this was just like airplane and then they'd like blink their lights on and off. Yeah, so that's the other thing too. That's the other thing too. Like when the V-shape lights went away, what happened is it was one light after another, they'll go chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk until they all disappeared and then the noise disappeared and it was just gone. And there's just no, no one knows what it was and we still to this day don't know what it was, but it happened and you can see videos of it happening online if you just search for it.

So there was definitely something in the sky that night and the question is what was that thing? That's the Hudson Valley one? Hudson Valley. But the same thing we're going to actually tackle a little bit too is the Phoenix lights, which is another one. And if you look it up, you can actually see some, I think some video evidence because this took place in the 90s. This one really seems credible to me. So the Phoenix light was a mass UFO sighting that occurred in Phoenix, Arizona and Sonora, Mexico on Thursday, March 13, 1997. Lights of varying descriptions were reported by thousands of people between 1930 and 2230 MST, which is what mountain standard time,

in a space about 300 miles from the Nevada line through Phoenix to the edge of Tucson. There were allegedly two distinct events involved in the incident, a triangular, or V-shape, a formation of lights seen to pass over the state and a series of stationary lights seen in the Phoenix area. The U.S. Air Force later identified the second group of lights as flares by an A-10 Warthog aircraft that were on training exercises at the Barry Goldwater Range in Southwest Arizona. However, people don't believe that because of the length of how long the flares stayed and the formation that the flares stayed in. People don't believe it would have stayed in that V-formation and other formations if it was just flares flittering through the sky dropped off by a Warthog plane. It doesn't make any sense.

Witnesses claim to have observed a huge V-shaped that they claim was several football field sized, coherently moving dark UFO stars would disappear behind the object and reappear as it passed by, so there was a physical object in the sky that produced no sound, contained five spherical lights, or possibly light emitting engines. Fife Simmington, the governor at the time, was one witness of the incident. As governor, he ridiculed the idea of alien origin several years ago. He had like an alien come out at a press conference or something, right? I have no idea. I'm not entirely sure. I didn't go that deep into it. I think I saw like video footage of him being like,

I think I have somebody here who wants to comment and it was like a great... Sounds like an asshole thing he would do, but yeah. Several years later, he would come out and say what he saw was otherworldly after admitting he saw a similar UFO. These kind of happened. Yeah, so go ahead. I was saying interesting. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's really interesting because this is again, thousands of people saw this, this happened. And this happened in the late 90s. I was 11 at the time of when this happened. I remember this on the news.

Yeah, this is something that literally happened. There's obviously people who believe that it is not a hoax, but was something more government focused, more secretive or scientific from flares to test planes to test cell planes. This is this is crazy. They call NBC has declared this is the the number one UFO sighting of all time. Because this is just, it's still happening. Maybe it's me because I'm older than I remember I am, but the 90s still feel like it was not that long ago. But it's still during a time where technology and cameras in news stations were picking up and talking about it as well. Have you heard about this one, Jesse?

Um, yeah, I just I'm sitting here trying to come up with what it could possibly be otherwise. Other than alien or like secret government plane type thing. Yeah, man, I don't know. I mean, the most mundane explanation is flares. Like that's that's what people always say is the explanation. The triangle, the triangle thing was, you know, blocking out like physically blocking out stars. Right. I don't believe that people saw flares necessarily.

I'm saying like if we're if we're going like Occam's razor or whatever it is. Right. Like it seems like the most like literal explanation is that it was flares. But then I feel like a quiet craft that's like a test craft or like maybe like a large balloon for some reason. Yeah, it's just it's weird. So Simington also the governor, he said that he actually asked for the information of what it was to the to the commander of Luke Air Force Base and the general of the National Guard and the head of the Arizona Department of Public Safety. But none of the officials that he contacted had an answer for what it was. They were also confused and perplexed and not sure.

So even whatever government officials he did get in contact with had no answer for what it was. And I guess sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, go please. No, no, go ahead. I guess this goes back to the whole idea of we must have a deal with the aliens because if this was again, no one has an idea what it is. This is a huge if this was something of an extraterrestrial nature or of a threatening nature, literally the government, especially the military would be on ultra hot. Like it would change the course of humanity.

People would be freaking out. I always think about like, what if it just like landed in a Dodger game? It's one of those things that if this was something, if this was there for as long as people say, again, the time period you said is a long time period. Yeah, for 106 minutes specifically. You can't tell me, you can't tell me the military or the Air Force in the 90s wasn't aware that something was there for 106 minutes. In three minutes, if there was a big launch on the radar, fighters would be there instantly. That's why it's so rough is because America doesn't trust the government the way a lot of countries do. Like we have a healthy distrust of our own government.

And so, you know, when they say, oh, it was flares, it's like, that's exactly what you'd want us to think. That's crazy then because you don't certainly you can distrust your government. Certainly there are aspects of government that you can fight and disagree with. But at the same time, facts are facts. The military part of our government, if anything, like go back to again, touchy subjects. Go back to 9-11 and the response with the plane that went down in the field in Pennsylvania, right? Like the military was on that like snap of the finger fast, even though the whole incident took place over, you know, 106 minutes is a long time. Yeah, it is. It's a fucking long time.

And while I poo poo and shit on the weird like 12 alien species stuff, it's this stuff that has me going, yeah, I just don't know. And I think that's the thing is like, whatever it is, it's clearly something that people saw. There's evidence that happened and the evidence of like, look at this thing, there's clearly a shape there. Like that is, you can see video evidence of that and it's fascinating and it looks real and I would say probably is real. The question that becomes, what is it? At that point, I feel like that's where we sort of devolve into theory and conjecture. And that's where like the space war comes from because we are trying so desperately to put logic to something that if true and if, and by true, I mean, if it actually is aliens, we may just have no way to logically know what they want. They're so beyond us.

And then that comes to the problem of if they're so beyond us, why do they need to make deals with the government? Like all the big issue with alien conspiracy is that theory A does not match fact B does not match idea C. Like none of it comes together and when people try to put it together, they have to in the end be like, well, they're actually 15 alien races. And that's why none of it makes sense because each one of them has their own goals and it's like, okay, here we go. Exactly. What's interesting about both of these sightings, and again, we are fucking bruising past the sightings because I want to do episodes on each one of them, is the whole triangle shaped ship. Because that triangle shaped ship not only shows up just in these two sightings, but in a fuck ton of abduction stories from before this and after. The triangle shaped shift is something that is a constant in alien sightings all the time. And so it adds, in my opinion, more credence to these weird sightings of this triangle shaped ships.

And it's interesting too because I think I would ascribe more to the idea, fuck, maybe, maybe the government has a weird thing with aliens. Who fucking knows? Maybe they do. I'd be more ascribed to the idea that we are maybe a scientific curiosity to these aliens. Maybe doing a weird kind of like research into life as it progresses through multiple stages of evolution and maybe learning something that way. Or even I'd be more, I'd more believe that Earth to them is more like a zoo-like planet of just interesting species that are evolving and watching them happen. But the frustrating part and why it's so interesting to me is because we'll never fucking know. It would be bad if our government told us that they have no idea what something is or why it's there. Well, they've kind of already said it, right?

Like with the project Black Book and stuff, they've openly saying that they are, especially now, that UFOs are a thing. They don't know what they are. Some CIA people have said that they are fucking aliens. But regardless, like whatever they are, they don't know. And there's also the interesting UFO phenomenon of the ocean UFOs that the Navy has openly said, seen and shown in footage and talked about in interviews of these UFOs that come out of the water. It's true. And like do their thing and then go back into the water after. It's true. I don't know what to make of all that stuff.

I mean, it's hard to go online and read something and then read like a very mundane explanation for what it is. But then the source for that mundane explanation oftentimes is the very agency that would benefit from it not being real. Yeah. It's crazy, man. This is the stuff that me as like a UFO, like alien kind of, I don't want to say hyper nerd, but I really like this stuff and have since I was in high school. These are the things that I latch on to and just be like, we don't really have an answer. The government never really gave us an answer other than flares. And it just there's too much there to be like, wash it away as a government test. It's just too much.

And it's just interesting. But at the same time, I can totally see it being, you know, construed or not construed, but like it being like us being seen as like, sort of naive for not instantly believing such an easily explainable and obviously clear. Explanation, you know, it's just hard. Yeah. It's really hard because like, man, it's so hard to talk about, but there's just not enough answers. And a lot of the time when it comes to like weird UFO sightings, the government is more than ready to come out and say, hey, it's this or hey, it's that. And but this one, like the best explanation they have. And this is not even for the V shaped thing.

These are for the individual lights that people saw. They talked that they described it as flares, but they have no explanation as to what the V shaped object is. And the V shaped object has been seen for years before and after. And I think I think this also goes to the idea of me thinking it's possibly our government. Right. It might be the idea that sometimes government comes out and says stuff and sometimes like, we don't have a clue. I feel like though we don't have a clue is we're not actually telling you what it is because it's our thing. And the V shape and all that stuff.

When you look at the, what is that bomber? The B2. The stealth bomber. Yeah, the stealth bomber. Yeah, the B2. You can see how when that was being tested, people could have been like, look at that black pyramid. Yeah, yeah. And so, or a triangle, because that's kind of like at night, if it's moving, that's kind of what it looks like.

And so, there's quite the possibility that we as a government have tested many things. And I also believe that other governments have tested other things. And I will be much more inclined to believe that there is a secret government like every government has its own secret ops thing. And they're like, there's a secret war going on. Like that is a conspiracy theory that I'd be more likely to believe than like, but it's actually aliens. Right. It's a hard pill to swallow without like, a type of evidence that is inconceivable. Right.

Yeah. This is exactly what I imagine the movie The Arrival is about. I have not seen that movie. Yeah, I haven't seen it either actually. I have. It's phenomenal. Is that what this is? It's also not necessarily about that.

Can't wait to check it out. Can't wait to see this movie that I wrote. But it's the other reason too, like it's so difficult to talk about aliens in a serious manner because people are so willing to shit on it because there's so much stupid information out there. I'm willing to shit on it. Like my brain is like shitting on it as I'm talking about it. I feel stupid. But I don't want to. I know because I feel it's just hard to feel stupid.

Like it's weird. Like everything within me tells me that it's so much obvious. Like it's so obvious to just like listen to the like evidence from the people in positions of authority. But at the same time, like how much am I willing to let myself imagine? It's like so it's such a such a difficult thing to be earnestly interested in. Which is why like the stuff like the Majestic 12 documents and all that stuff that is like actual government paperwork stuff is interesting to me because we have scraps and pieces of information that obviously are part of something much larger that we don't know about. That we'll never really have the answers to because it's all an under lock and key and only the stuff that gets like slipped out accidentally or by somebody on the inside. That's the only time we ever get pieces of this information.

And there's so much disinformation and nonsense out there that it's so easy for the government to just like point and laugh or you know other people to point and laugh at us and be like yeah you believe in this nonsense. But then you see things like this, the Phoenix lights again and the governor reaching out to the Air Force base and being like what the hell was that and they don't have an answer for you and they're like we don't know we're confused too. It's just God there's there's there's stuff there that's like God aliens could be real. And then you start researching it and you come across the GeoCities website like God these people are stupid. Yeah, it's just it's frustrating. It's so frustrating which is why I recommend you read stuff like the coronora the corona rather the crash of corona and edge of reality because those are like people who actually have like PhDs and degrees and worked like actual jobs and research that have wrote books on this. Maybe I maybe I finally will pick up a copy of edge of reality. Dude, we should read it together before we we talk about like maybe the more in depth aspects.

Maybe we could do like a mini so book review on it. Yeah, for sure. I'd be down. But we've been going for over an hour and a half and I feel like we barely fucking scratch the surface. We got it. We got like a we got like a base down. We have like a yeah we have a base down the concrete like a platform concrete. Yeah, this is going to be a long kind of build to other things and like the next thing I would love to talk about in an episode when it comes to aliens is abductions and abduction stories and hitting on a few of those and what the the

common thread that tends to run through all abduction stories over decades and decades of time that makes abduction stories at least some of them either more believable or less believable depending if you think it's a traumatic event or if people are actually being tested on or whatever that kind of thing. So yeah, I guess we'll we'll kind of wrap up. It's so like daunting the the idea of like comprehending aliens. Well, it's that's why I kind of threw away wrote writing like a real outline to hand out because there's it's too messy. Right. Like it's so messy to talk about this stuff because it all leaks into one another and to be it to talk about one thing you want to clarify what you mean and then you want to clarify your clarification and then clarify that. Yeah. And you kind of have to go down this rabbit hole of like well no this is what I mean and they work for these people and this is what the deal is well the aliens are here because of this but maybe because of this but maybe also because of this and it's just absolutely.

It's messy. So I hope we gave you an idea of why people believe aliens are here the crazy stuff and the more interesting like possible factual stuff. Yeah, as well as a healthy sampling of rationality and doubt. Of course and that's that's super important and I super appreciate Jesse talking about basically the pamphlets and stuff of the 1500s that's fucking that's just interesting to me like I find that really cool. Yeah. People people tend to forget that mankind has always created stories and awesome stuff and it isn't like a new thing. All the things we're talking about and you know it's hard not to think about that. It's hard not to think about that stuff as like Disney's Hercules.

Right. You know what I mean like the idea of them having like a newspaper and like ancient times but like it was real. Yeah. I mean like ancient ancient times when people were chiseling stuff that there were there were even when it was vocal and just oral stories. We did that we gave news to each other and we told people stories and we there were ancient archaeologists who dug up stuff and they're like well this must be a legendary dragon even though it's like dinosaur bones. Yeah. We've done that forever and people just forget that and I think it's fascinating that people just assume that ancient man was somehow lesser than us. They were just less technologically advanced but they were just they were equal in our grasp of certain aspects of reality.

I haven't gotten that much smarter in a couple hundred years. Yes. Oh yeah. Right a thousand years ago we were I mean a thousand years ago is roughly equivalent to what we were when the United States was founded. Yeah. Right. Yeah. More or less.

But for new ideas in the you know like looking at the stars and things that but like and just like philosophy and yeah. Yeah. It's it's cool man. I like it a lot. It's it's interesting. It's interesting and bringing up that whole idea of ancient people being storytellers. It's really interesting to see us today or at least the UFO nut bags out there who love this stuff in a good and bad way cherry pick like they're so willing to dismiss mythology of like. Cameras and ancient gods and stuff but when the UFO stuff comes up they're willing to believe it no problem.

Yeah. And to think about it in the other way like more positively to just like the way that people told stories about stuff they didn't know about back then compared to now it's you know it's basically the same stuff and like some of it's true. Every time every time like even back in the day like some of the stuff they thought was true and some of it wasn't and now it's the same thing. Agreed. Well gentlemen thank you for buckling in on this fucking wild messy ride. It's only the first big toe dipped into the ocean of insanity when it comes to aliens. We will not be doing an alien episode next episode it will be something and I want to address as well while we're wrapping up. We we we super duper appreciate and love all the shouting that people want weekly episodes and all this stuff and the reviews on iTunes are phenomenal.

Thank you guys so much for all the love you've been throwing our way. It is really cool to kind of have this baby project pop up and people immediately cling on to it and love it and we love doing it. So thank you. Thank you so much for that. If you guys want to chat about the show the the subreddit has been popping off lately. People have been telling some really cool stories. So go and check out Chaluminati pod over on the subreddit and we're on iTunes and basically every podcast that you can get on. Moreover, if you guys are going to be next week at PAX East all three of us are going to be there.

That's very true. So yeah, you two specifically you guys got something going on on Thursday night. What are you guys up to? Yeah, you got to come see Scary Game Squad on Thursday night. What time is that? Nine o'clock. 8 to 10 p.m. We have two hours.

Oh my fucking god. We're going to die. Yeah. Can I ask a question but keep it vague so you don't have to spoil anything? Or is it going to be a very similar podcast similar panel to PAX out? Probably. That's what I like to hear. I'll be there.

I'll be there with you guys. I'll be up in the front row hanging out. So if you see us at PAX East come say hi. We'll be there all weekend and it'll be cool to talk to you guys about the crazy shit. Definitely. Other than that, I don't think there's much else to talk about. Again, thank you for the love. We appreciate it.

I have been slowly reaching out to a couple of individuals about potential guest appearances from people who are more into the paranormal side of things out in the world. So maybe in the future we'll see some guests pop on for an episode or so. Cool. Thank you guys so much for listening. Alex, what can people find you? What do you got going on next week or two? Find me on the Internet, you guys.

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