Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 46 - Skinwalker Ranch Part 1: The Bloody History

Episode Date: April 13, 2020

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Before we get to that, I am, as always, one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joining my two friends and co-hosts, Alex Fasciane. Hello, sir. If you divide 46 into two, it's the number 23. The movie with Jim Carrey. Boom. I've only seen snippets of that film on YouTube, and that's it. That movie is like a giant article of JFK and Lincoln, the coincidences, but it's like

an entire movie of that. That is an accurate statement. You're right. That's absolutely what it is. It's literally just like a mentalist's routine, like hidden in a screenplay, basically. It's so weird. Have you never seen that stuff where it's like, JFK was killed on that, and it's like, and Lincoln was, that whole thing that's like, it's just all coincidences?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll change it. I get what you're saying. I'm changing my, I'm changing my bonus episode to Lincoln and Kennedy coincidences. Fantastic, done, done. Which is a perfect segue into our Patreon. Go, sell us car salesmen. Then we can let Jesse introduce himself.

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Really, this whole episode, this whole series has been an insane project for a while now. And I'm excited to do it. I'm particularly excited to take our other co-host along with us, Jesse, because hey, Jesse, how's it going? A and B, you aren't ready, dude. You just, I know, I know you might even think you are ready, but I promise you, you are not. Here's the thing. I know I'm ready to tell you how crazy this is.

So I can't wait. Can't wait. It should be fun. It's bananas. This one, I mean, this one's been a long time coming way, way back two years ago. Now, maybe over over two years ago. Now, we did episode two on skin walkers. You made a lot of promises about this.

You have a lot of weight. I'm sweating. Yeah, if it if it stinks, and if I can shoot this down easy, I'm going to let you know and be real disappointed. I expect this to be one of those things where it's like, don't you see, Jesse, you were the skin walker all along. And I'd be like, oh, here's the thing. Here's the thing, skin walker ranch, crazy or not, right?

It is unavoidable that it is like the like mecca of this type of vibe, like all the types of different cases that we've covered over this entire whatever you call it, like this entire like span of like two or years or so. Are you telling me it all connects here? This is yes. This is the Pepe Silvia. It's not. You're not even necessarily wrong that it all connect.

There's no BS already calling BS before that everything connects here. Yes. Wait till you see how the lighthouse disappearances. Number 10 will blow you on in this series. You actually you actually said in the episode that skin walker is kind of the first step into that first deeper layer of just kind of conspiracy and weirdness. And I agree. And so those who've been with this show for a while, this is a step beyond.

And so while I anticipate this to be their minimum three episodes, I'm looking at possibly a four episode arc here. Dude, I'm looking at a four episode JFK too. I'm there. We're moving into this pretty heavily. And like I said, back in episode two, when we talked about it, still to this day, probably one of my favorite episodes, simply to have put together the lore and the stories that kind of like come along with skin walkers are really insane.

And they're really kind of cool in a like a grim dark fantasy sort of way. I always like imagine them as like the E like I said in that episode, like the evil druid prestige class. That's how it kind of came off. It's definitely like American McGee presents skin walker ranch. Like there's yes, yes, it really potential. I agree. Yeah, let's get a game out there.

Let's go. But during that episode, I offhandedly talked about skin walker ranch. And I said that I someday we would do this place as a series and I would do everything to make sure that we do it to the fullest extent possible. So maybe here we friggin are. It's not stopped from here. Look behind yourself. That's your naive self that you're waving goodbye to behind you.

Yes, goodbye. Goodbye. That's that's the one with your third eye closed. Your gravity, that's your gravity falls self. And you're about to walk forward and become like Agent Cooper in the Lodge. Like you're going, you're going away. We're going to the Lodge and there is no coming back to normal after you go into the Lodge.

To him, it's got canceled for like 30 years or something. But they got, they got to come back. Right. Eventually, eventually to come back. And for those of you who have never heard of skin walker ranch, because we get a lot of new listeners like very recently, you are in for something you aren't ready for. And if Jesse ain't ready, nobody's ready.

But before we dive in, I'm not ready. Like I don't know what this is. Listen, before we dive in, I need to first thank the assistant researcher who helped me out on this one, Deanna, the very same one who helped out with the Mothman series. She's just phenomenal, phenomenal, phenomenal. I also want to pin for two main sources we use for research. If you're the kind to read along.

The first one is the book, hunt for the skin walker by authors. Colm Keller, PhD. Listen, he listen, he put PhD on the book. I'm going to go ahead and put it in the script. And George Knapp also wrote with that. Now, I think George Knapp is somebody, both Jesse and Alex both know. Coast goes down, maybe he doesn't take a Jesse nap after this episode. A Jesse nap.

Yeah, he's mostly known as the coast to coast. The coast to coast guy, one of them. Yeah, I mean, I think like weekends, maybe sometimes. Yes, I think he's like an award winning journalist, too. I don't want to get into real quick because that's kind of what he's known for. Right. He's kind of known for that stuff. But if you don't know that that he's best known for, if you only know him as the coast to coast, one of the hosts of Coast to Coast AM,

there's a lot more for you to learn. Honestly, before George Knapp produced a TV series in the 80s that was diving into UFOs, which was kind of his first step into that world, that's what Tarnished, many say Tarnished his record and his career forever to always be kind of cast as that guy. Before that, he was insanely accomplished. He was a reporter, a co-anchor and and more nap had won a huge amount of awards over the years.

And I'm going to list a couple right here. So Jesse and Alex, I need you to sound impressed and like really odd that George Knapp. Wow. Here we go. Two regional Edward Morrow Awards. You know, the Edward Morrow Award. That's a good word. He then won the National Edward Morrow Award for investigative stories on voter registration fraud.

That's a legitimate award. He won. He was a nine time winner of the Mark Twain Award for best news writing from the Associated Press. That's pretty wild. Twenty four regional Emmys. And his 1990 series on UFOs was selected by the United Press International as best in the nation for individual achievement by a journalist.

And that's just a sample. He's legit. He's legit. He's like the original. He's like the original. That guy, he is. And what's funny is that the thing that kind of tarnished his record in the eighties was the reporting of a story on UFOs about one particular man, none other than Bob Lazar. And we all now know Bob Lazar is like somebody that's been on Joe Rogan

and in all these other bigger things. And it was kind of a bigger story for in some might even say might have taken a little more seriously. But his reporting with on Bob Lazar is what really tarnished his record to start in the late eighties, which is crazy to me, especially after like a history of working in the industry and winning awards like that. He's the other source. Sorry. Go ahead.

Professional. He's like a professional conspiracy theorist. Yes, he really is. Bob Lazar is that. And I feel like there's like an odd reflection of the two in each other. It's really weird. It is kind of weird. You're not wrong. The other book that we read and if you want to grab this one, too, it's called Lost on Skinwalker Ranch by Eric T. Retz.

It is a true a book of true accounts of a property guard on the ranch. It's pretty small, really easy read and shout out to the discord for the patrons. They have like a book club going now. And so they're going to be reading. I think they're going to try and read along as best they can. But if you all want to read along as well, we have an odd that I don't know how hard it is to get the physical copy of some of these books. But you can definitely get the audio copy of Hunt for the Skinwalker

for like 10 bucks on Amazon so you can you can at least attain it in some way. Sweet. And it's an easy read and it's a fun read as well. So it's a good time. It's a good time. This will also be. Yeah, this is this is going to be an interesting episode. Again, Deanna, a big shout out to her. So let's go. So Skinwalker Ranch is insane.

While its namesake is certainly the reason interest was sparked in the first place since we, as said, Skinwalkers are kind of cool into wild to learn and read about. And I think a weird evil fantasy setting sort of way, either excitedly or maybe even disappointingly, Skinwalker Ranch isn't really about Skinwalkers. It's pretty much anything but a place with Skinwalkers in it. So what is Skinwalker Ranch? Well, that's the question we're going to try to answer in about three to four episodes. But I think by the end of it, even with all the context,

the question might still be left in the air. But I'm hoping that when we walk away from this, there is a different context in which you say, I don't know what's going on on Skinwalker Ranch as opposed to just curiosity, but more of a more of like an interest in in the happenings of the area. The ranch itself is about 500 acres of land settled deep in the UNTA basin in UNTA County, and you guessed it, the state of Utah. It's also got a few other names.

It's known by including Gorman Ranch or the UFO Ranch. And now what I say when I say this place is insane, I we're going to list a few of the things here that help me help frame as to why it's insane. Keep in mind that these are a small sampling of over a hundred claimed incidents that have happened on Skinwalker Ranch. And these are just a small sample, but far from all of them. You have your typical cattle mutilations and straight up cattle disappearances. UFOs in the skies almost nightly, sometimes accompanied by orbs

that are flying in the sky, but also fly down to ground level. Just think about UFOs nightly. Just see them up there constantly. Think about reports nightly, sometimes a trio of them, sometimes one that hovers for a long time and then darts out of the way. Your typical shapes as well as weird, triangular shaped ones. And then you have glowing balls of light that seemingly intelligently interact with the family to almost like toy with them.

On top of that, seeing windows. And I say windows with air quotes in the sky that seem to be opening up into some other plain dimension realm of existence in a very psychedelic way that you would see if you were taking some things out. Jesse's already shaking his head. We're not even, dude, we're not even there. It's like when they look in the water in the Wizard of Oz and they see each other through the water, right?

Or like, no, imagine you you're looking into the sky, right? And it's like the night sky, but there's this giant square part of it. That you're seeing like this dark red sun or some of this bizarre otherworldly colors that doesn't match or you have light in the sky. And this is like the square that's pitch black and has nothing in it. Not to mention UFOs nightly. Almost nightly. Not just think about that.

Like, even if it's every other night, like imagine what your life would be like if you had sightings of UFOs every night. I have I have an eye panic enough when I'm outside smoking weed looking at a star. And I think it's a problem and I'm like, it's moving. It's moving. But I stare at it, hoping it might move. But it never moves. I plead with the devil to move the star. That's my next deal with the devil, dude.

But I don't understand if this happens all the time, then why aren't people out there all the time just looking up and taking photos? Well, it's a private land. OK, so. But we're going to get there. And this is so this is there. There was a group that went out there and did an investigation for months. And we're going to get to them later, there later on. They're like episode three.

For now, we're not there yet. On top of that, also invisible objects that emit some sort of destructive magnetic field that power down things and burn areas of the land. And the final one, one of my favorite ones. And we'll talk about a few of the encounters of these are huge animals that are not only seemingly intelligent and understand what's happening, but are also immune to bullets in some fashion. And what I mean is a wolf for an early example that's in the book is a wolf

that is three times the larger than any normal wolf that is sitting there being shot as it's trying to rip the head off of one of their new cattle on the ranch, being shot at with their guns over and over and flashes flying off. Think doom, eternal style. And the thing does not react to it. And it seems like it doesn't exist. And then it runs into the woods and they track it following its tracks through the mud because it had recently rained and then the tracks just end.

Gone, they lose the thing completely. That's the kind of. I mean, that sounds pretty skin walkery to me. Right. But a skin walker is a person. Right. That's the difference. This is more of like a weird cryptid skin walkers are people who feed on fear in our, you know, can are vulnerable to silver and all this other stuff. This is like the inciting incident of a horror movie, what you're talking about.

Yeah, it's insane. Shoot. Like literally in the thing is like a lot of these things might seem disconnected on the surface, like what does one have to do with the other? But all of them have this bizarre, weird, you know, constantly, constantly claimed rather just bizarre, weird intelligence behind them that they like the things knowing they're interacting with these people, but they're not quite right. Some things always off or wrong.

And we will get into that when we talk about the family and their personal experiences when they lived on the ranch for the year and a half, I believe it was before they sold it and just left the place. And we'll talk about them next episode. But maybe hearing this next bit is also unsurprising after hearing all of the above, but many, many, many people believe that this area of land, the base in the UNTA base and specifically is cursed. And since we're going to be going weekly now,

I want to make sure that we're doing our due diligence and in bringing about as much detail as we can. So I don't say all this to dangle all that stuff above to like in front of you and tease you, the listeners and stuff, and then yank it away. But we're setting a groundwork as to why it's so important. We talk about the history of the UNTA base and where people believe if this is real, some of this might be coming from. Because another thing that it's called, while it's not necessarily always called

a curse is a flap. And I've used the term flap before, specifically talking about UFO flaps. And a flap is like where an area of geographical land where constant sightings of UFOs happen over a very specific period of time. A part of the world where the barrier between is thinned in some way. And in following that particular quote, a lot of people believe. And after I've done my reading, if I was to say it's one thing over another,

it definitely feels like it's what's a thin flap of reality, that there's something on the other side that is kind of like leaking into our world and intelligently interacting with us and exploring things. Because a lot of the like the wolf story, for instance, it's like it understands what a wolf looks like, how it's comprised like physically. And like, you know, how it's made physically out of material and stuff. But like doesn't understand pain. It doesn't really feel pain because it's not really all here.

And things like that. And in the UFOs, again, UFOs are people claim, you know, but some people believe they come through thin avails of reality. Jesse, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't fall out on me yet here. We're not falling out. What you're talking is gibberish, but I'm not falling out. Well, things you're said, things that are coming out of your mouth are like you're asking me to take logical leaps, which is fine.

I'll jump with you. But before none of it's based in science fact. I'm just letting you jump before we jump. A UFO flap is nothing more than an area where UFOs are seen commonly like a lot. Right. It's nothing more than that. It's nothing even more than that. A place for you to hang out. The Phoenix lights would be an example of like a UFO flap

where a fuck ton of people saw the same thing. Yeah, it's like it's like it's just like a it's like a flurry of activity and look like a localized flurry of very particular activity. And this has or flap. Yeah. Yes, like a flap. Exactly. But but it's important because like I really do walk away from this feeling like it's it's so much of everything. There's also like poltergeist activity in their house and all kinds of stuff.

We won't be able to cover all of this just too much. But there's so much of it just it's everything in one spot. And it's really bizarre and very, very rare for that to ever even be like to ever even happen. Now, whether we believe the family or not, that'll be something I think we talk about much more in in episode two, because we're going to rewind and go further back. We want to talk about, like I said, the history of the region. The area in question is you and talk county in the heart of the basin. It's about forty four thousand square miles and more than twenty four

twenty five thousand people actually live there. They are on average primarily Mormons, but a tenth of them, a tenth of the population is still Ute Indian. It's a mostly ranching and farming economy with livestock, hay, alfalfa and all that kind of stuff down there. Fun fact. Geologists describe this area as, quote, unusually rich and an unusually rich source of hydrocarbon bearing materials. How does it? How does that happen?

Oh, we're about to get there. OK. And you and talk county officials refer to the area as dinosaur county. What are those two have in common? It basically means a bunch of dinosaurs died there. And there's a hell of a lot of oil. There's a ton of oil in the basin. Second fun fact, there's a geographic feature known as Skinwalker Ridge that has a symbol carved on it

discovered by Tom Gorman, one of the family members on the ranch that some to believe to be Masonic in origin. Nobody really knows. And when you Google Skinwalker Ridge carving, I could not find it. My Google foo is either terrible or there's no picture. There's just a lot of other pictures that end up popping up. And stuff from there. Interesting. Yeah.

Again, just kind of a weird situation. Now, the real tragedy of the area is what we're going to talk about very briefly here as well, as we kind of push on. Of course, we were not the first ones to settle there by any stretch. As we said, the native people were the first to live there and they lived in the basin and it was inhabited by them then and is still inhabited by them for over 12,000 years. Then along came the white man who entered the basin

with the Spanish expeditions led by fathers Dominguez and Escalante in the 1770s, which would then shortly be followed by an expedition about 100 years later by the then leader of the Mormons, Brigham Young, in the 1860s to see if they could take their people there to settle because they were having some recent trouble trying to fit their new little religion into normal society. And people kept throwing them out to the point where the original

the originator of Mormonism, John Smith, I think is the name, right? Like it's John Smith. Yeah, the main dude got shot. He got shot. He got killed. He got killed. And so now they're trying to get out of here. So they got they bring them young in the 1860s and expedition out to this area. I've seen Book of Mormon, please. I get it.

I haven't seen Book of Mormon, actually. I've never seen this whole story if you want to know. But I'm sure well, I mean, there's like another half of the story. That's right, right, right, right, right, right, but like missionaries. Yeah. Yeah. So there are issues and they were just looking to get away and where else do people get away in this time? Then West, where there's like no law at all.

But funnily enough, city, but funnily enough, the initial reviews from the from the expedition were bad. So they just moved on elsewhere. They were like, ah, fuck it. Yeah, they showed up like one star. Now, this is sus. Let's get out of here, boys. I'm not into the area. I'm not staking the church on this.

Fair enough. But unfortunately, that wouldn't be the last time in the in the Indians lives that they would be affected by Mormon decisions as the following year in 1861, President Abraham Lincoln established the UNTA Indian Reservation that essentially was the entirety of the basin. And this was done because the Mormons were having conflicts with the other native youths that were living 150 miles away

out in Provo Valley in the Provo Valley region. So all the native's youths there were forced to march 150 miles east to the basin where they would now where they would now end up living, where other native youths already were living. So they sent them to make like a buffer zone. So the Abraham Lincoln just said, OK, this area is now the reservation. Now the Mormons who are having problems with the youths will just take all the youths and move them to the basin

so the Mormons don't have any more problems. Damn. And that was like their first shift of natives out that way. But unfortunately, that wasn't the end. In 1880, the Mormons once again would return and stay this time encroaching further into their land, but giving them less land to operate on. Unsurprisingly, the story doesn't even end there because five years later in 1885, the miners,

miners then began to move in and prospect their lands, which was at the time incredibly illegal because it was considered conserved land, reservation, et cetera. But it's like mining in a national park or something. Yeah, but three years later, all seven thousand acres of land that the prospectors had wanted was then flipped to public domain and they could do as they pleased. So they were already mining on the land and then they eventually bought it.

And eventually the government flipped it over to public domain. And that time it just meant it was lawless and not, you know, like a reservation. Oh, you can just do whatever the fuck you want on it. You could do whatever the hell you want on the land. And so the miners, like they were mining and prospecting anyway. And then the government just basically said, OK, whatever, just do it. That is crazy. Yeah. All right.

And again, the land already at that time is, you know, what it was inhabited. Obviously, we took it and we know how that story goes. You know, we learn it over and over again, but it's important again to remind ourselves it was happening literally all over the US. It was happening. So the line we're trying to draw here to Skinwalker Ranch present day is that is how the land became, quote, unquote, cursed. It's like abandoned tribal land. Yes, exactly. It's like that kind of thing.

Moreover, if we rewind to the 1770s, talking about the initial people who showed up, fathers Dominguez and Escalante, they would they journaled their exploration up this way. And they would talk about seeing giant fireballs in the sky often and such. And so whether that is just, you know, we're whether it was just a meteor or something that came through the sky. Did they say it was almost nightly?

It happened more than once, but not almost nightly. Could be the same. I think we were through the same UFOs. So but that's well, that's the prevailing theory, is I guess the way he describes them, how big they were, it would be surprising if it was a meteor. But we will never really know because he could have just had like who knows, you know, just kind of just had a very romantic night or something. Who knows why he saw it the way he saw it.

But it's if what's said on Skinwalker Ranch is true, then there might be ties that go all the way back to the 1770s prior to that. During that whole time, though, a whole new reservation was also set up on the land in 1881. So we're rewinding a little bit more to hold all the youths that had been then ousted that what would eventually become Colorado. So in 1881, during all that time, they were cramming more natives into one small basin area, sparking even more potential for conflict.

They were the US government is already worried that they were going to attack the US on their march over there. They didn't know if that gathering them all into one area would spark conflict amongst within the natives themselves, or if they would try to rebel and reclaim their land. And this was clearly a concern for the US government because in 1886, they sent Major Frederick Benteen with the ninth US cavalry to establish an outpost

where the UNTA and the the Chesney Rivers end up meeting. Which means seventy five cavalrymen, which were the famous Buffalo soldiers that we all know. And the hundred and fifty one. Yeah, it's really good. And one hundred and fifty white infantrymen who arrived first prior to all of that. And according to a formal tribal police officer, the land of the youths live on to day right now

is a former graveyard for fallen Buffalo soldiers. So that conflict resulted in those Buffalo soldiers dying. They they had conflicts with them. And so the Buffalo, but also for the Buffalo soldiers that ended up dying out in the wild, maybe scouting or what not. It was just they just bring it around for dying. It was a general purpose cemetery. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Sometimes the word graveyard to me seems like mystical in some way. I don't know. I always think because of like what comes along with the thought like when you say like it's a graveyard, I imagine like everybody who was there died there. But I don't know why. If you told me it was a cemetery, I would never think that. But I don't know why. I don't know why the word graveyard like conjures up like magical

dream worlds for me. Oh, is it like a happy dream? Must be the rich, you know, must be the ranch. It must be the ranch. It was the ranch sending those dream world vibes. I love that you were like, is it a happy dream world? This graveyard that you know, I was just imagining like I was best friends with a goth kid for a long time.

All right, you know, I believe that. I believe you're just like it came. They said this this land was a graveyard of Buffalo soldiers where the youths live now. Right. And I was imagining that you were saying like one day somebody killed all the Buffalo soldiers. Oh, gosh, they buried them and then lived on top of them. No, that's what we do to the natives. Alex, that's exactly what I did to them.

We herded them from what was a Colorado and then further north into one little area and forced them to stay there. And we definitely, definitely made up for it later in life. I'm just imagining I think work that all out, right? Where's Farron Square? Yeah, we're fine. You're it's everything good. I mean, I'm just imagining some like movie

that's like a youth film about like ghostly like cavalrymen showing up and they're like, you didn't move the body. Yelling at them. That's why we can't rest. Despite the outpost being there, however, the land was actually still considered very, very lawless. It was public domain, which meant that it was prime real estate for all kinds of businesses from all kinds and their duels

from brothels to saloons and more, and they all set up in one little area bringing together white people, black people, Native Americans, minors, soldiers who, quote, were not supposed to be there. It was against the rules for them to go visit this area known as the Chesney Strip. It also attracted a bunch of different prostitutes and outlaws. Big ones, too. Butch Cassidy actually showed up there to hide out as as did LZ lay. They actually both hid out in this area, all on the same land in the same,

the same, the Chesney Strip, where all the saloons and brothels pop up in this lawless land. That's where they got the freaking hang out. I thought that was super dope. Butch Cassidy is super is a fun story. It's just crazy how it being this like this like place and then becoming all these different things is just because one dude was like. All right, that's the spot now.

And then everybody was just like, OK, yep. And well, it right. Like you say, like we helped. We gave them a reservation to establish it for themselves. When in reality, what we said was this lands ours now, but we kind of feel bad. So you can have this spot. Yeah, exactly. And it's ridiculous.

And it should never have happened, obviously. And it's a tragedy that had happened in the first place. Well, it's just crazy that it was like the government did it. It like removed a tribe from their like ancestral lands. And then on top of that, instead of it just being like two hundred years later, somebody built a house on it. It's like, no, from that point onward until now, there has been like activity on this on this ancestral land, which is like, you know, if we're

setting a precedent for like, you know, later paranormal activity, you know, I feel like that's important to like to like mention. Yeah. Oh, I agree. Yeah, it's it's it's fun to know, too. Of the Disney strip and this weird, like kind of wild America that popped out. Fun other fact, in nineteen, there was a place between the strip and the river where there was like a little ravine where they would just huck their bottles.

Everybody would just huck all their bottles and eventually became known as Bottle Hole and still is called Bottle Hole to this day. Is it literally a hole? It's a ravine that everybody just tossed their bottles. How filled with bottles is it? Now, this interests me. Is it like a lot of glass down there? Or is it empty in time?

Today, so today, Bottle Hole covers four hundred and twenty acres, blaze it and a pop. It's a popular fishing spot. Oh, all right. That's all it is now. Wait a minute. It's a popular fishing spot comes out. Time out on this death ranch. It's a popular fishing spot. It's just on the land. This area in the basin, the basin, the the ranch is in the basin,

but it's not the size of the basin. The whole basin is believed to be no bueno. Don't go there. Like, you know, you know, but twenty five people got good fish. But it's also the thing is, like if you do research on this, I first of all, I'd love to fish there. I think it'd be super, super scary in the daytime. Like, you know, yeah, exactly.

But no, you have to understand this part, this area, Skinwalker Ranch, this UN top basin is known as part of an area that's known as much like there's Tornado Alley. There is UFO Alley and this hits that area because in that area, there's a ton of UFO sightings over there, an enormous number of them. Aliens exist, Jesse. Just let me have the thing. The thing that is crazy about Sky Skywalker Ranch, Skywalker Ranch.

Yeah, the thing that's crazy about Skywalker Ranch is that George Lucas lives there. No, it's just crazy because I don't know what you're imagining, but it's very like like orange soil, rocks and brush. Like, I don't know. Like, I feel like a lot of the times people imagine when you talk about paranormal events happening in the wilderness, you're imagining like almost like New Orleans looking shit happening like swamps and trees.

And Skinwalker Ranch is like, you know, it's a popular fishing spot. It is basin because it's like a big, flat, open wide. Yeah, it's gorgeous, though. Like it's beautiful. It's kind of just seeing pictures of that area. It's really, really nice. But that kind of like that that history of that tragedy, then there comes the rumors out of that, that I don't want to kind of touch on too, too much

because there's very little evidence that a lot of these supposed things happen, these encounters between the Utes and the cavalry and stuff. I personally don't doubt that there was interchanges between them and there was battles and stuff, but there's all kinds of like rumors about these ceremonies that the Utes did with the captured soldiers that they had to curse them in the land for, you know, however long by slitting their throat or removing limbs and currently like ripping out their bottles. That stuff to me comes across as like way to popcorn,

flicky 1990s and almost like how is it not every newspaper, every like every story to its degree. Remember, the outpost is literally how many hundreds of miles away from civilization. There's like they're at a small outpost and they're not allowed to go to the out the area beyond out to the strip and stuff. And there's they're only there to kind of keep the peace. I'm not saying it's not possible that shit happened and didn't really hit the newspapers till either way later or way later that mattered.

But I don't know if I yeah, like you said, I don't know if I believe like the weird rituals that ended up happening. It just seems it just seems so specific and like detailed for like something that there's no like establishing of in the record at the time. You know what I mean? Yeah, that type of stuff. It's always so hard because it makes these places seem crazy when they're when the stuff that is when the stuff that is really like unexplainable that happens here.

That's, you know, that is that is mentioned is really interesting. It this type of the stuff is weird because it kind of like ruins the reputation of these kinds of places. Yeah. And like it's while they're kind of like fun stories to tell and like a popcorn kind of a scummy sort of way at the same time, too. Like it's all these stories are coming from people that are like, well, I know somebody who knows a youth whose grandma told them the story of like how it all happened and whatnot.

It's like, you know, whether that's even believable or not in the first place because everybody lies on the Internet. You know, that's so I don't want to give too much time or attention to them. But beyond that, that alone with with what they did and relocating them and forcing them to live in this kind of really small, unbearably kind of weird area that only has very little type of farming to it. Moving them hundreds of miles away, forcing them to the march is tragedy in and of itself, which brings us up to more modern day stuff

and skin walkers ranch personal little history. We already talked about the size and what the sightings and stuff that have happened at the ranch. But the ownership of the ranch is also a story in and of itself because for the most part, it was only owned by an elderly couple, an unnamed elderly couple that we don't we do not know who they are that owned the ranch from some time in the 1950s all the way to 1994. As far as we know, they never actually lived at the ranch.

They simply owned it and they would visit it once a year to do like fence checkups and stuff. And they only had workers work the ranch occasionally, but they never really put any money into it. Then in the fall of 1994, that's when the and we're going to call them the Gorman family just simply to for namesake because they do change the name of the book. And even though I think the real name might be known,

I don't I don't want to really worry or risk it. But the family, the Gorman family bought this ranch in 1994 in the fall of it. And they owned it for 15 months. So they owned it for a year and three months before they ended up selling it again. And then from there, the people were going to be talking about in episode two. After that, they sold it to Robert Bigelow, the founder of the National Institute for Discovery Sciences. In 1996 for two hundred thousand dollars,

which would be about three point three million in today's money. Not bad. No, not bad at all. This this little it's Institute. Yeah, the National Institute for Discovery Science was privately owned Research Institute founded in 1995 to study fringe science in other para and supernatural events, such as ufology. So that to answer your question, Jesse, that's what we talk about in episode three,

like those people who kind of bought it and studied there. It became defunct in 2004, however. Then the is kind of like left in this purgatory. This guy, this guy, a skin walker ranch was kind of left up in the air. And then in 2016, it was bought up by Adamantium Holdings, a shell corporation of unknown origin in 2016. When you after the metal that Wolverine's claws are made of. I'm looking this up.

I'm I'm going down this rabbit hole. Yeah, do it. Do it. It's a whole Adamantium Holdings. Adamantium Holdings, a shell corporation of unknown origin in 2016. When I'm going to read the next little the next little bit. When it was purchased by the corporation, all roads leading to the ranch have been blocked off the perimeter secured and guarded by cameras and wire and surrounded by signs that warn,

warned to aim people to prevent them from approaching the ranch. Can I shut up, shut up? Are you? I want I want everyone to know this. I want everyone to know this right now. Last month. So I typed in Adamantium Holdings. Yeah. And I was like, OK, you know, maybe we'll get some information.

Mathis, I have a question for you. Oh, no. Are you involved in any way? No, be honest with us. I'm because I typed in Adamantium Holdings. And the first listing is the connection between Bob Azar and Skinwalker Ranch, and it says there's no information about Adamantium Holdings.

The second listing on my Google search. Again, never type this in before. I have no cookies, nothing. Oh, no. With how excited Mathis seems about Skinwalker Ranch and it links to the Reddit to Illuminati podcast page. That's number two. That's number two.

I'm telling you, dude, I didn't do anything. Are you sure you're not involved? Are you sure this isn't a long time for Adamantium Holdings? Or you're like, guys, I hear they've got great products. You just burst my bubble, dude. Now, if that's the case, I got to edit this out. Yeah, what's all that? What's all the X-Men memorabilia I see on the shelf behind?

No, no, turn the camera off. Dude, that's wild. I did not know that. Yeah, Adamantium Holdings. Because in March of 2020, a.k.a. last month, Brandon isn't Fugle. This tells you how often we were recently. We were still researching this thing.

Brandon Fugle, a 40, 46-year-old real estate magnate, revealed he was the owner of the ranch and actually have a photo of him right now. And he looks like somebody who would own the ranch. What's his name again? Brandon Fugle, F-U-G-A-L. Current he is the current owner of Skinwalker Ranch. The name Skinwalker Ranch was fired,

filed for trademark in 2017 through Justia Trademark and officially given the trademark in 2018. So this is the guy. This is the guy from the show. I haven't seen the show, but he's he's one of the guys that's on the show. Oh, the new Skinwalker Ranch show that just came out. Yeah, I haven't watched that.

I have not watched that. No, I've just seen the commercials. I haven't watched the show yet. Yeah, it literally started this year, I think, right? It started like a week ago or something. Yeah, he's very rich. Yes, he is very rich. Dude, he's just buying shit all the time on colliers.

Dude, he's buying like two million dollar buildings. Yeah, he's a real estate magnate, dude. Tennessee, Florida. Florida, Arizona. Dude, this guy is wheeling and dealing. Is he buying all in UFO Valley? Apparently he was he is or was the number one commercial real estate agent in Utah.

Well, there you go. Damn. I'm talking there's like 10 pages of purchases by him. I believe that is insane. He owns a lot of shit. That's crazy. He also is a giant nerd. He has a giant Han Solo frozen in carbonite. So if you're willing to invest in a giant life size Han Solo, you are you've got money and you are a giant nerd.

And this guy, you already own a company called Adamantium Holdings in that case. Yeah, it's true, man. It's wild. There's also like stories that one of the ways that things were cursed in this is that an actual. And again, one of the origins of the name Skinwalker Ranch is an actual Skinwalker which cursed the lands

after the white man came and started in that she specifically weakened the veil between our reality and the reality of whatever and that the permanent curse that lays across the basin will never be lifted and as long as that we're around, etc. Like that's the kind of thing that you can read and like the Hunt for the Skinwalker book that if you want like that idea of like where it comes from.

Me specifically, I really wanted Episode One to be much more about the actual history of it so that when we dive into the insanity stuff next next week, it's it's a you can understand. You can kind of come at it from someone who understands the the the history of the area as a whole. But that's trying to cross reference Bren, Bren and Fugle with Mike Martin, see what I can figure out.

You're not going to find anything, dude. I don't know. Is it covered up that easy, huh? OK. Hey, listen, man, if Adamantium Holdings got covered up that easy, he got covered up. He can cover it up just that easy. So even OK, so even just even just right now, right?

Let's like, let's forget about any of the crazy like shit about the wolf or any of that shit, any of the like magic elements of this at the very least, we're talking about land that has been in demand or in use by Americans pretty much as soon as we could get it. As soon as we came into contact with it, we wanted it. It has oil.

There's a ton of oil. Yeah, there's a ton of oil oil. It has some kind of crazy like soil, right? There's something, some element in the soil. It's just, oh, you know, the hydrocarbonated whatchamacallit, like it's just, yeah, exactly. Basically, it helps make the soil a different like different kind. It's just what is that?

Is that like, is that like valuable scientific term for an area that has a fuck ton of oil? That's the scientific term. That's just like the signifier for oil. Yes, exactly. An unusually rich source of hydrocarbon bearing materials. And it was owned by one people, one family for like 50 years. Oh, the ranch itself was owned from the 1950s to 1994.

Yeah. Then it was owned by the Gorman family for 15 months. And then they were like, fuck this. They they bounced exactly. The whole family left. And that's this family of four, I believe, maybe five that live there. They left. And then it was bought by this guy. Well, then it was bought, you know, by the Adamantium holdings and stuff.

And then which was this guy in Seattle, which is this guy here. So he was buying the ranch in secret and then super secured it. Yeah. And now there's a show about it and it has oil. And he's on the show. Well, the base in his oil ranch. Right. But does does is the ranch does the ranch have oil on it? No, I believe he took the ranch. So he if my my theory about this particular guy is he simply saw money in the ranch.

And I think that's why he bought it. And he just like money in like a television special. Right. In some fashion. I don't know if he did any research. I have no idea if he actually did anything with the ranch specifically. I guess that's being told in the in the series right now. But I'm not watching it. I didn't want to watch the series and do this.

Yeah. No, I'm saving it till I'm saving it till after we're done. I'm going to watch it. But it has the vibes. I saw the trailer and it has the vibes of like the Oak Island show. I don't know if you've seen that where they did, you know, the Oak Island hole. Maybe that's a mystery Jesse can do one day because it's going to. So yeah, so the show where they plant stuff and then are like, we discovered a thing.

I mean, they don't really. I mean, they just like dig a hole in the ground, basically the whole show. But I don't I'm interested to see if this show ends up being more documentary in nature or more like a reality show about a team of guys trying to figure something out. Yeah, because I don't know what it is, but it kind of has that vibe. And I'm and I'm worried that it's going to just destroy the reputation of this place. But we're going to we'll see. Yeah, we're going to go into it just simply looking at the Gorman family's

experiences, then George Knapp and his read that he went in there and did research with the team of scientists and what they found. And then the theories of the in there's a whole there's so many fucking theories on this place. It's banana. I would love if I could get into this place. I if I could go there and spend like a few nights. You can't now it's part of the show. Well, maybe I am him and I'm just trying to lead us in the final episode.

If you if you are a billionaire buying up real estate, hook a guy up. I'm a billionaire and I'm like, Patreon, thank you for joining our here's the billionaires would don't pretend billionaires would be like, I need the cash. Give me a little backyard I can run around in. Right. Some dogs, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, ladies. Yeah, that's it. That's the setting, man.

That's the setup for diving into skin walker ranch and the actual experience is happening there, which is going to be. I can't wait. How much is about the original family from the fifties? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. That's that's a big that's there. An unknown unknown couple that owned it. We don't know what the paranormal activity start.

Well, we have the like the ones in the 1770s from the journal and whatnot. But it was after the Gorman family moved in. Yeah, the the family that that left there, that took the ranch. Because remember, the old couple only showed up like once a year to do things. Nobody actually slept and lived at the ranch while the old couple owned it. I still want to know what they were doing. I still want to know what that what they did for 50 years, because even in the probably the most boring answer, dude, it's probably just like they owned land

that was either family inherited and they just didn't want it anymore because they didn't want to fly out there anymore or whatever. Well, I would still love to hear about it just because I I mean, I don't. I know it's probably like impossible to find info on them. But I'm just the reason it's interesting to me is because they owned it for 50 years. Yeah, they owned it for the next people, the next people that bought it were out in less than two. Yeah, a year and three months, they were in and out.

And there's stories of them being like him trying to hunt one of the orbs through the woods and every time like don't spoil it, don't spoil it. Fuck, fuck, fuck, I want to talk. Don't spoil it. Look, it's your you're the one who's putting this up in a different episodes. No, because if I go into that, it'll be literally it'll be another hour, hour and a half. I can't do that. I can't do three hour apps.

We just can't do it. So or two hour apps. Well, we'll we'll we'll package that up in a nice package of a one, one, half hours next week. That's it. That's where I'm wrapping it up. I'm I'm even more excited to keep going, dude. I am. Look, this is one of the most interesting mysteries to me because of how active, but not just active, just how weird everything is at this place.

And I I I know that I'm hyping it up a lot. But honestly, like it like what we said at the beginning of this episode of like everything kind of coming together, all the big things that we've touched on. Yeah, everything like all the weird paranormal stuff from ghosts to you. I don't believe this. I don't believe this is you're telling me this one spot is like, all right. So the ghost, this is like the Olive Garden of ghosts and big foots and aliens and like they all come together, eating good in the neighborhood

or whatever, getting salad and breadsticks. You're telling me this is what happened of the original Monster Mash that that guy saw when he wrote the song. Yeah, that's what he came to Skinwalker Ranch. And that's how he wrote the song. He was like, oh, what a episode one was for you, dude. This was all this was all facts, history, you know, a general straight because next episode, those go away.

All I don't even believe that's that most of this was facts. I'm going to be real. This is all facts. This is all that I believe half of this is being facts. I think I confused it a minute in the middle when I when I was talking about graveyards, but I I I understand now. I I thought you might have checked in the wrong Buffalo soldier graveyard. But I realized now that what you're saying is that the Buffalo soldiers

who were stationed there just buried their dead there. I get that now. I see that. Hello, Gravian. Yeah, it's the bottle hole in the basin. Put your bottle there when you're fishing. We will be back next week. We got to go record in America.

Yeah, for those who are wondering, as this as this episode, this fifth Minnesota goes up on Patreon. The other bundle of four are being the other four are being bundled together and being put out as an episode. So you'll be seeing that upcoming. And then this episode will be patron exclusive as well. And basically, once we're once we have a bundle ready, we'll kind of go in that order from here on.

Just to be clear, there is no you're not missing out on anything if you're not paying money. Eventually, it will all come to you. But right now, immediately after this, if you're on Patreon, we there's a version of this that just continues for another 15 to 20 more minutes where we actually do more talking about stuff in the news. But I changed mine just now at the beginning of this episode from this guy in India to Abraham Lincoln and John F.

Kennedy, and we're going to talk about it today. Just now, I paid you on the slash to Luminati pod. Yeah, yeah, we're almost there. If we get to the seven thousand dollar tier, we hire a researcher full time. That's our next goal. Go check it out. There's all kinds of fun rewards. We'll searchers like a relative term.

You mean like person who read a book or two? Well, it's still a person who is even if the book is false. The researcher still had to read that shit. No, but you're right. You're right. On top of that, both of my both of the people that are the volunteer research, they're both like they do read like one's a cancer researcher and the other one is in England doing a little time time out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.

When they could be saving all of us, they're like, I'll read up on this skin walker shit. You are a health epidemic. You're a problem that Judy's working. That's Judy. She's working on the next big one after after skin walker, Judy. Don't you are so much better than this earning her her master's degree. She's like does research.

You're both so much better than this. You don't. Oh, my God. Final Fantasy 7 and some people read 50 books about UFOs. You know, it's everybody's got to do something to take the edge off. You know what I mean? Exactly. If you want to reach like a reach out to us, you can find us on Twitter. Jesse Cox for Jesse Fosse on a A for Alex and Mathis Games for myself

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