Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 46 - Skinwalker Ranch Part 2: The Family and the Wolf

Episode Date: April 25, 2020

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Capella University is rethinking higher education. With their game-changing flex-path format, you can earn your degree on your schedule, so you can fit education seamlessly into your life. Imagine your future differently at capella.edu. Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome to the Geluminati Podcast, episode 49, and the long-awaited and the long-toiled-on Skinwalker Ranch part two. Also, it's just long.

Like in general, it's just long. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, it's just long. We get the interest out of the way. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by my two co-hosts, Alex Passiani and Jesse Cox. Hello, gentlemen. Hi.

Hey. I've been talking all day long. Every day is the same. Every day is the same. Time has no meaning. You're right. Time has no meaning right now. I'm feeling good.

Yeah, I'm feeling good. I had some shishito peppers. I'm good. Yeah. I'm feeling good. I just went from doing, I jumped from doing five hours of D&D right to this, so my voice is like, it's going to die on me. You ready?

I'm not sure how well I'm going to laugh. You could be worse. But you know, I'm excited. It could be worse. It could be worse. I could keep talking about Skinwalker Ranch part two, which I am super thrilled to talk about. But first, I got to hand it over to our local shill, Alex Vasyane.

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finished up, the extra shows, all kinds of goodies. So go check it out. We thank you so much for your support, Jesse. It's time. It's time. And I know, I know I call you out every time. But for episode one, you know, that was the history for you. That was the lay of the land, the history of the world and the native youth people and

what happened to them in that particular basin. Because today. Yeah, I know. It seemed pretty factual. You guys can't, you guys, you guys can't see it, but Mathis is making the face that Doc Brown, Dr. Emmett Brown made to Marty McFly right before he flew into the air and his DeLorean for the first time. We're going, we don't need to give you an idea.

This is episode two, the outlines that we were using for episode two. I only got about 50% of episode two outline and fit in episode two before I was like, I got to stop because we're just going to go on forever. So this is likely going to be a four parter. But episode two is going to be focusing on the main family, the family that we talked about in episode one, the one that moved in 1994, the one that took the land off of those, that weird couple that had it from the fifties. We're going to be talking all about that and particularly two of the most common encounters

that they had during their little over a year there. And maybe a few more of the smaller ones, but there's some other ones we're going to save for the next episode as well. So Jesse, I need you to open your mind, allow your mind open, allow yourself to be taken on a ride of unbelievable and believe, I have no choice and believe as best you can. Yeah. I mean, I won't guarantee that two out of three and bad though. You know what?

That is a majority and I'll take it. Alex, I feel like you're already on, we're on the same page at least. I'm just excited for what comes next. I'm the guy who liked the end of lost. You know what I mean? Like, I'm good. I'm ready. Well, the Gorman family story, I'm just going to go into it.

The Gorman family story, that show deserved better. I loved it. So much better. I loved it. It was a better ending. Me and the guy who wrote the show agree, I promise. You and Damon Lindelof. Yeah, me and Damon.

I bet he listens. You rascal. Come with me, boys. It's time. The Gorman family story on Skinwalker Ranch begins in 1994 after they had purchased it from the previous owners that had possessed the ranch since the 1950s. Did you use that term because it like reminds me of like a ghost?

Oh, maybe maybe I'm just bringing out my creative writer. You know, I'll never tell you my secrets. OK. But as we covered in the first episode, this is the same couple in the 50s that had the ranch up until then. They never ever lived on the ranch, always lived off site and only ever visited the ranch once a year to do a property check. The Gorman family themselves were a relatively standard Midwestern family

of the area at the time, meaning two very specific things. One, they were Mormons, though they weren't actively all that practicing since they had they lived ranch life and chill Mormons. Huh? Chill Mormons. They were very chill Mormon. And two, it also meant that they were living like the rancher lifestyle. They had that's where they made most of their money, as we'll learn about. And for this particular family, there were five members that lived on the ranch

that those are the ones that we'll be focusing on, obviously, today. First, there was Tom Gorman. He was the father and experienced rancher, specializing in high quality cement and black Angus show cattle. Essentially, the dude knew his cows really well. You know, how to make a buck off of him. His wife, Ellen Gorman, was known to be, quote, highly intelligent with a natural business sense during this time on the ranch.

She worked at a mortgage office, not too far out into town. They also had two children that live with them, Tad and Kate. They both would help out with ranch work on the on the ranch itself. And they were both known to be straight a students in school. And finally, there was Ed Gorman, that was Tom's father, the patriarch of the family, the grandfather to the children. And he was the one that taught the entire family the cattling lifestyle. He was the one that raised a son with it and passed it on, so on.

But the Gorman family was a cattle family through and through to put it into perspective and how much pride that they took in their work at the time. Most of their neighbors and other ranchers were totally fine, taking about a five percent loss of their herd through the year, through to weather, wildlife, bad fencing, whatever. While the Gormans were devastated, if they came anywhere near one percent loss of their herd, all of this to say that ranching was basically their blood. And they weren't people who did not know what they were doing.

These are people who moved into the ranch and knew very much the lifestyle that they were going to live. They were not strangers to it. At the time of the ranch purchase in 1994, the ranch itself was around 480 acres of cottonwood trees, Russian olive trees, and rolling pasture land that was bordered by a creek. If you headed up north toward the north of the property, the border there was an irrigation canal and a northern border of a 200 foot ridge of red rock

and mud that would eventually become known as Skinwalker Ridge, which we talked about a little bit in the first episode. And it's an important note that when it rains out there, that the ridge and the canal become impossibly muddy to traverse. Just too much for anybody to try and push through. All this is obviously kind of give you an idea as to the layout of the ranch. And you can actually get a sky picture of the ranch itself to kind of give yourself to really like map out the area.

If that's something you're interested in. I'm imagining that it looks like Bowser's face, like Mario Kart or something. It's just from the sky. It's just a chomping 2D or a Bowser face. For me, like I actually picture more along the lines of like your stereotypical JRPG farm that your protagonist starts on. And then the world starts to fall apart and they realize that the chosen one and you go off on your adventure, except this time, instead of having

a world ending event, you have big foots, interdimensional big foots, protecting the family from otherworldly disasters. Just think about how scary that must have been back then. Jesse's jaw open and his eyes rolled twice. I'm not. I'm on the adventure. Keep taking me before I get off this ride. We're only taking baby steps so far, Jesse. Do not worry.

I know I'm aware because you've been talking about how there were good ranchers, which I believe has nothing to do with the rest of this. Well, for some of the things that they run into, you'd think a rancher might be able to understand. And those were some very specific statistics about lost livestock. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's very specific. Now, while one might assume that like most people who move into a quote unquote haunted or strange area, that you might begin to assume

that it's a slow ramp up, you little things begin to happen. And as time goes on, they become more and more intense. It's like a movie. Yeah, like the movie and how a lot of stories go. A lot of poltergeist activity acts that way instead. But but instead for this particular family, it all started almost right away. Kind of weirdly, actually, within the contract itself, there was a little strangeness right at the purchase.

The contract for the purchase had bizarre clauses in it. One such clause that was made known is that even after purchase and taking it from the couple, no digging was to be done on the property unless that couple was notified first. Like if there was like oil or something there and they could be. Could be. We don't know. Is just the the clause of the contract was no digging unless they are able to get permission from their notify the other.

But previous owners first. No digging. Mm hmm. The right to call the owner who owned it before, even though you own it now. Correct. Very bizarre. Very bizarre clause to have in the contract of a ranch that you're purchasing. Moreover, the ranch itself looked really bizarre, like it was prepped for an attack of some sort or was like prepped to whether a storm or some weird thing.

The windows. Well, what is that? All right. All right. I'm going to go through it. Yeah, I'm not just going to say that's it. I was like, what are you talking about? Every one of the windows were bolted shut on this ranch house. Moreover, every single door in the house had heavy duty dead bolts on both sides of the door. And at the end of the farmhouse,

there were large metal rings that they believed, but weren't sure as they would have to be very large dogs, but were believed to ostensibly chain up, possibly guard dogs. But the Gorman family wasn't able to tell that for sure. They don't know, but they never use this ranch. Correct. Exactly. There's no they never used the ranch. They had a few workers that tended to it occasionally,

but nobody lived on it like the owners didn't live on the ranch. And yet the ranch was built and is like windows bolted doors, a dead bolt on both sides. All kinds of weird, weird, weird stuff in the big metal rings at the end of the property for potentially guard dogs, but nobody really knows. Even if there's weird clauses in the contract, however, it wasn't enough to ward off the Gormans.

Would that be enough to ward you off? Add a key. Don't dig. Yeah. If like, say that's the only weird clause, but the clause in the contract is, listen, you just can't dig unless you run a bias first. I know you own the property, but that's the clause. What do they can they do? Like, can they like sue you?

I genuinely don't know because I'm not a lawyer. I don't know, like, if that's even something that could be held up in court. I'm just one. It's such a weird thing to want to know. It's one of those things for me. Like, oh, so you were serial killers, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, they got bodies or something. What do you mean? I can't dig up on my own. Well, because even even if you're buying it to dig on, right?

Even if you want to drill for oil on this land, which like maybe, you know, based on what you said last time, justify it in that way. Yeah, right. Like why, like, why would you sell it? Like, wonder what pretense would you sell it where you're like, but I don't want you digging for oil or else I want to charge more. Yeah, I don't know. It's very, very, it doesn't even really make sense in that way.

Yeah, it's bizarre. None of this, however, was enough to ward off the Gorman families for moving in either way. And despite a previously a bizarre previous owner who seemed mostly detached from their property beyond the strange clauses, the ranch itself was perfect for their ranching way of life and getting right into it was their hope. As we'll find, however, those hopes would be dashed almost immediately.

If you want to read along, our main source for this particular episode is going to be Hunt for the Skinwalker, as it's really the book that kind of a company that addresses all of the family's claims. We're going to be going through and talking about some of their claims. We can't talk about all of their claims because there are just too many. So we've picked out our favorites and we're going to split them over this episode and next and we're going to talk about, obviously, all of them. But just for those who want to read along, Hunt for the Skinwalker

is the main source for this episode in particular. Now, you said that this family is not actually called the Gorman family, right? Correct. Their real name, I believe, is out there. However, I don't know for sure if that's what they want. So in the book, are they referred to as the Gormans? They are referred to as the Gormans in the book. Interesting. OK. So that is how I'm going to refer to them from now on, just to be safe.

But the name is out there. I know the name. You can find the name. And if you have any interest, you could look it up. I don't even know if it's all that private anymore. Is it actually their first names? That I am actually not sure of off the top of my head. He simply says the names are changed for the, you know, for their what have you. Sure. Privacy.

So the first sighting would be the one that set the tone for, in my opinion, almost every sighting from here on out. One night, shortly after that, the family moved on to the property. Tom, Ed and Ellen were outside enjoying the night and having a chat with one another. After some time chatting, all three of them saw a large a figure bounding across their open field in the distance. After a little examination from the three of them, they all determined it was probably nothing more than a large wolf.

There was very little time for them to react. However, before the wolf, who was bounding across the field, changed direction and moved directly toward the family instead. Ed Gorman claims the wolf came up to his chest. And we'll keep in mind that Ed is about six feet tall. He says the shoulders of the wolf are at his at his like the wolf comes up to his to his. Oh, I thought you meant they like a wolf literally went up to his chest.

You mean height? Actually, both were getting there. Oh, boy. Yeah. The wolf in height came up to his chest and Ed is about six feet tall. The wolf, however, didn't stop by just approaching them. It walked directly in front of them and up to them. And it threw the family off. This was very bizarre and not natural behavior for what they've seen before. Wildlife. First, it wasn't acting like a wild animal of any sort,

showing a strange sense of curiosity toward the family. Moreover, Ed claims to have felt a weird feeling of calm exuding from the creature. So much so that Ed felt 100 percent comfortable reaching out and petting this thing for a little while, eventually asking and bringing the others to also come and pet it. Ellen, however, refused. There would be no effing way in hell. If I was the wife, I would be like, no, no.

What are you doing? Don't you take my kids towards that wolf? It's insane. To their description, the wolf itself had silver, gray fur and light blue eyes. That feeling of exuding exuding calm wouldn't last, however, as the strangeness of this creature would continue. Is it OK if I imagine Richard Geer instead of a wolf? Please do, actually.

On all fours, just naked, yeah, like Ansel Elgort. I still would be like, don't you go near Richard here. No. Leave him alone. He's clearly lost and confused. As I said, the feeling of calm would not last. And the strangest of this creature just would push forward in an instant that calm feeling dissipated and instead was replaced with a sense of unease. The wolf no longer seemed interested in the family,

but its attention had been snapped in a different direction and been brought over to the corral where a couple of prized Angus calves have been recently unloaded and one calf had stuck its head through the bars in curiosity. The other calf was clearly the brain here of the two, was hiding at the back of the corral at this point. The wolf, ignoring the family, bounded over to the corral and grabbed the calf by the head, violently slamming the calf's body into the metal bars over and over again as it attempted to pull the calf through the locked doors.

And that's how animals work. The calf screamed ridiculously. And so reactively, Tom ran over and he began to kick the wolf over and over again with his boot shouting at the thing to let it go. But the wolf completely ignored him and continued to tug on the calf as the whales of the calf became desperate. This, have you ever, have the two of you seen Tiger King yet? No, I refuse. I don't want to be sad.

This is like the entire time he's like, they're beautiful, majestic face. I love them cut to the one clip of him being like, you son of a bitch. Pulling a gun on the tiger. Get the fuck away from me or I'll shoot you in the between the goddamn eyes. This is that where they're like this majestic creature. Walk up to us and like, get away from me, son of a bitch. It ripped your head off of my baby cow.

But Tom, Tom, look, it's so pretty, I can pet it. Now you got to shoot you between the goddamn eyes. So as the calf is dying as it's trying to be. It's an animal. Of course, he runs over to this thing and begins to kick it, shouting at it for it to let it go. But he was ignored. So Tom shouted over his shoulder for someone to bring him his a point three five seven Magnum.

And he did. He levied the barrel at the creature, leveled the barrel at the creature and fired four shots into this thing. Into the wolf, into directly into the wolf. After the third shot, it let go of the calf's head. And on the fourth shot, it began to walk off with clear gunshot wounds. The wolf showed no signs of injury in its movement or the way it acted.

No fear nor any blood. Still not finished. Tom then shouted for his 30 odd six. Was it seconds nearby? Who like waiting in the wings? They're like his party members. They're like carrying his shit. You got it, Tom. You got two handed sword.

Attend me. His his second near. Oh, that is a great that's a great visual. I just can see a guy sitting there with his box holding, holding his musket in a box. Magnum. 30 odd six shot come.

Tears coming out of my eyes, dude. Then the wolf is skin like there was like metal and it filled back in the wounds and then turned into Robert Patrick and he started running and his hands turned into knives. So Tom shouting for his 30 odd six was handed it. And then he shot the wolf two damn more times. The wolf with flesh actually being ripped off of its body, simply trotted off, unimpressed with what was happening,

no longer interested. Tad, one of his boys grabbed the magnum his father had replaced his with his second. Tad, no, it was Tad. Tad, grab the magnum that his father had replaced while Tom Tom hung on to his rifle and they chased after the wolf. Why on earth would they chase this invincible death wolf?

Well, I mean, think about it, dude. You just unloaded six shots into this thing. Flesh is careening off of it and it just is like, I'm bored. I'm going to leave. Flesh is careen. I'd be like, whoa, I would be like, whoa, Tad, we are lucky to get away with our lives. Let's go home and have supper now.

Well, that line is surprisingly on brand for what happens in the minute. OK, so Tad grabs the magnum, Tom hangs on to his gun and they go chasing off after the wolf. There was no blood to follow. No blood had come out of it and it wasn't bleeding. What time is it? Sorry. What time is it?

This is like night. They're like at night time. OK, all right. All right, it's fine. Moreover, the creature left inch deep tracks and was still incredibly easy for them to follow even through the Russian olive trees where it actually went off to. More than just the tracks,

they could also catch blurs of silver leading them through the woods, always just within sight, but never catchable. It felt as though they claim in the book that it was just leading them, like toying with them, always. Blurs of silver. Yeah, it moved in a weird speed, but they were always able to keep up with it. It looked like it was moving fast, but it was they're saying this is the wolf.

This is the wolf they're chasing. They believe to be chasing the wolf here. However, once they reached the creek, the track stopped completely and with no way to track the thing, they went back to their ranch. Tom looked to his son on their way back and said, look, son, I can't explain what happened. I'm not going to even try. Let's just forget that this ever happened and have a meal in town.

There you go. That's what we're talking about. Ed, Ted, with his father actually taking charge and kind of laying that. Ted says that he felt a sense of comfort knowing that his dad was at least taking charge because he could not also comprehend what was happening there. That's a scary night with a liquor up in town. Yeah, let's just go drink this thing off.

Scary night with a wolf.com. A few days later, however. A small bit of information would come forward that allowed the gormans to accept what they saw and write it off as nothing more than a wolf. One of their neighbors claimed that they had a large pack of wolves that lived on their land. And according to the gormans, that was plenty enough for them to just say, it was a wolf.

I don't want to deal with it. And they're like, oh, or it was. Oh, you guys got invincible wolves. OK, we ran into an invincible wolf last night. I shot six bullets into it. Actually, four bullets and two shotgun shells. However, that would not be the only wolf sighting that would happen. But before we move on to this wolf, the more wolf stuff,

large creature encounters were something that happened regularly on Skinwalker Ranch, and we will talk about a couple of others next episode. For now, we're going to stick with the wolf. As I said, this would not be the only wolf sighting the family would have. After having moved into the new ranch, Ellen, as we said, was in need of a job. And so she found what is at a mortgage office in town that she would commute to and work in one day on her way home from work. Ellen claims to have seen a wolf similar to the one that they saw on their property.

It was so large that it stood tall enough for its head to actually be over the car when it stood like in her car was on four legs. Like a diary stood on like a giant ass beast. Yes, like it stood on four legs and its head was over the car. Did it look vengeful possible? What was she in? Like a great show? Whatever the hell that she was in a she was in like a like a Dodge Dart. A unicycle.

Yeah, like a car. Was she bigger than the car? I don't know. Pinto sighting was just so you know, this sighting happened about a half a mile before she was home about half a mile outside of Skinwalker. Was it in another car? And that's why it was like, no, was it on a motorcycle? How is it bigger than a car standing on the side of the road?

And it was just taller than her vehicle. Was there no one else out there? There was one other thing out there, actually. Another canine, an all black dog that she claims had a head too big for its body, but still not quite as big as the wolf that was there. What? Oh, that's like the training montage where like one guy is learning to become a wolf and they're like, your head's too big. And he's like, I'm trying.

He's like, you see that, son? That's the face of the woman who we're going to kill tomorrow. The dog in the background. Oh, my daddy, I'm just so hungry. Yeah. So after seeing those wolves, she slammed on the gas and just rushed home. She then further reported the sighting to the tribal office in town, but they explained to her that there were no wolves in Utah. And the last one had been shot in 1929.

In that no one would ever say there are no wolves in Utah. Well, this and the whole state. No, no, this actually tracks because the following year, Utah. And no, in the is Mormon wolves hate Mormons. No, they were all killed. They were all shot. But in 1995, the following year, they would actually transplant a pack of gray wolves into central Idaho.

And those wolves that pack would grow so big that they would then migrate to Utah over the years and Utah would then have a resurgence in a wolf population. But this happened the year after like Idaho didn't get their wolves until a year after all of these events happened. So you always suggested that she saw coyotes, but Ellen vehemently denies it. So she also said it was the size of a car. So the person that I would be on right now is that neighbor who was like, I have a pack of wolves on my property.

Right. Yeah, because there's just conflicting information. I would be calling them and be like, who the fuck are you? What are you doing? Tell me about the invincible wolf children. The invincible wolf children. In 1963, I had an affair with a wolf. And those are my wolf children. Just as the mother was being eaten by a werewolf, she had her babies.

Oh, God. Well, that wraps up the wolf encounter. One of the many. Does it? Yes. This. What? This wraps up the wolf encounters. We will talk more about large animals that are seen, but in timeline and sticking with the timeline, other things after that whole thing,

that was the last time they had a big wolf encounter. Instead, other things began to happen around the ranch as well. At least at least she got a sense of closure for exactly. Right. At least she got that they should as coyotes. They were like, that wasn't real. That was coyotes. Forget what you saw. It wasn't real. Exactly. Now, Jesse, I know we said in episode one, remember, everything we've ever talked about on Shilluminati is going to come true.

Oh, we're we're about to move into something else. A couple of other things. In fact, I can't wait to see how this all fits together. If a bizarre wolf like cryptid wasn't enough, the Gormans also began to experience typical minor haunting like events. That same year, Ellen Gorman was taking a walk in what is now known as Skinwalker Ridge. And while she was walking, she felt a large object rush by her,

followed and accompanied by a rush of wind that would accompany something large, moving fast behind Naruto. Right. It was probably not. Yeah. But when she turned around, there was nothing there. That reminds me of the wolf running really quickly. It's possible. It was a blur of silver. But in mind, within the house itself, things also suddenly started to get weird.

Small things started to go missing. Kitchen implements, Tom's tools, books, brushes, et cetera. Drawers would be left open, cabinets swung open. Occasionally, they would be found in entirely different parts of the home. Other times they would return to where they were missing from in the first place. And some just never were found at all. All of this lining up with what is what is typical in the beginnings of poltergeist-like activity

in a place of living or home or town. But much like everything and every other occurrence on this farm, things would only stay minor for a very short while. In 1994, the Gorman's nephew, Dave, came to visit the Gormans on their ranch for an extended stay. Dave was a city kid and only 14 years old. He was sent out to get some, quote, hard work under his belt, unquote. Never worked a day in his life.

His hands were soft as a baby's bottom. My kind of man, more like. And the Gormans were fully intent on making him at the very least a competent ranch hand by the end. Just God damn it, Dave. They just wanted him to be at least like do the basics or paraffence, you know, herd the cattle, the basic stuff. But poor old Dave wouldn't even make it to the end of his trip

before he decided he was getting the hell out of here. I thought he died. I was like, oh, my God, his head was bitten off by a wolf whose head was too big for his body. And he never played another PC game again. Poor Dave never loved his full nerd life. For starters, Dave was scared of the dark, terrified, in fact, and refused to do any work after sundown.

And since Dave was so scared of the dark, Tom and Ted decided to take him out in a property check around dusk while the sun was still at least somewhat up and there was sunlight that still spilled onto their property. The three men were making their rounds when Tom said he saw looked like an RV on his land. Not having any trespasses or rather not wanting to have any trespasses on their land, Tom went toward the RV to tell them to leave and chase them off.

Maybe some kids parked in an abandoned ranch that's never seen to, you know, eff around or have a good time or something completely different. The mystery machine. Yeah, mystery machine. They're there. There they finally are there. Scooby-Doo and the gang. But as he approached the RV, having sex, what? What? Sorry, what?

Nothing. Oh, OK. That's just mystery machine. Hashtag Shaggy Smokeweed, spread the word. As the three men continued to give as they rather as Tom approached, the RV began to drive away and away from Tom. So the three men decided to give chase and continued to give chase to the vehicle to get the people off of their property when they realized something very peculiar.

There was no driver. No, no. A Weimariner was driving the car. It was actually the wolf. No, as the car was driving across the bumpy field, the headlights never moved. The two headlights in the RV were not bouncing up and down as the vehicle went across the open plane, as they expected it to.

Looking as though they were gliding across the ground instead. Like it had like perfect shocks, basically. Yes, like perfect shocks, like just straight. But you said the vehicle was bouncing. Was it as it should be bouncing? Like if it was driving, it would be like if it was driving, it should be right. Right. I thought what you were saying is the vehicle itself was bouncing,

but the headlights were like. My bad. Perfectly fine. No, no, no. Yeah. No, the vehicle as it should be bouncing crazy looked like instead. It made it look like everything was driving gliding across the ground. And as they continued to chase, they realized that our V was completely ignoring their fencing throughout the property. And it just drove seemingly through all of their

fences and stuff that were standing in the way. We're talking about a ghost RV. And once they reached the wire fence and the olive trees, the lights of the RV lifted gently off the ground above the olive tree line and disappeared into the trees. After continuing to look for a few more moments, it eventually raised above the tree line and they could see the silhouette of the thing in the cut in the sky.

And they described it as simply, quote, oblong and refrigerator shaped on like one of those Mothman UFOs. Yeah, like a tick pack shaped UFO. Yeah. What? Call my long boy here on Chilumanati. She's a Chilumanati. Yeah. A Chilanganati. A Chilanganati.

Chilanganati. Hell yeah. I was called you, Dave. You're not Dave. You're Jesse. Are you OK? He's acting like Dave. He's acting like Dave Gorman right now. You're being a real Dave Gorman right now, Jesse. Yeah, why are you going to be such a Dave?

I'm letting you know that sounds like bull patoos. There's no way that they were like, we went out and we saw this thing that it not only wasn't an RV, but when it started driving away, it looked like it was floating and went through fences and took off and was a UFO. OK. But why would they have said that if it didn't happen? Right. For a lot of reasons.

A lot of reasons. I'm just saying, like they assumed it was an RV, probably because it was oblong shaped and it maybe was just sitting on the ground. But what is being described is a typical like UFO. UFO, typical Tic Tac UFO encounter. I don't like this. It's like the Monster Mash of Luminati, a typical UFO.

Yeah, OK. All right. They're all here. They're all here, man. The big wolf, the small Tic Tac alien. Yeah, I hate this. I hate where this is going. I know it's going to be like, and then Bigfoot showed up. And then the first man was there. And then the aliens, they kidnap people there. And I hate this.

I hate this. I only say this to keep you interested. While you rattle off Bigfoot and the Mothman, those are legitimate sightings on Skinwalker Ranch. This is not real. This is not a real thing. This is the Mothman sighting. Just very briefly was they saw him in a tree and they flashed the light up at it and it screeched at them and spread.

Yeah, just very briefly. It was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was very much like, yeah. We'll talk about that. There's a little Mothman shaped cloud behind. Those types of sightings do happen here. Shit. This is not real. This is people trying to sell bad land in the middle of nowhere.

And there's like, there's aliens, then idiots buy it. And now an idiot did buy it. No. And they have a TV show. Adamantium Corporation bought it. Right. The Adamantium Corporation bought it. The Adamantium Group or whatever they're called. Right. I'm such a fool. Adamantium Holdings. Yeah.

Something like that. Yeah. Anyway. Needless to say, after this encounter with this bizarre RV UFO, Dave broke down crying and ended up leaving the ranch much earlier than he was. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're telling me that with all the crazy stuff happened on this ranch, the one that got him crying was the RV that flew.

He was like, I can't take it anymore. He was the only encounter. That was the first thing he saw. He went back home and he played. Dave is a little bitch. I want to say it. Dave, I'm with you, dude. I'm with you.

If I say, I got wolves and bite people's heads off. They got big foots. They got ghosts and you're over there like a flying RV. Game over, man. Get out of here. They went home and he beat the entire game of mist in two days. Yeah, he really did. That was more speed.

Dave went on to go make point and click adventures for the rest of his life. He was the first person in line to pick up a copy of Warcraft One. No. So Dave ended up going home much earlier, never truly became the ranch hand that is that the Gormans were hoping to make him and his parents let the Gormans know that his son would no longer be visiting them on the ranch. Yeah, because he probably saw their B.S. And he was going to call them out on it.

And they were like, take them out to the stitches, get stitches, son. Take them out to the flying RV. The flying RV. Um, just a few weeks after Dave's encounter and Dave's departure, though, the Gormans would have another encounter with the RV lights on yet another walk after sunset on their ranch. The family began to hear what sounded like man metal banging on metal. Wanting a robot sex.

They were just robots, fucking just in the middle of the field. It was like, pang, pang, pang, pang, pang, pang, pang, pang. Yeah, they were like, damn, he's going hard. The family curious went to investigate the sound to discover the same or at least very incredibly similar looking RV that Tom and Ted chased before. And then it flew off and gate and they gave up on words back. And after deciding to chase it again and to get it off of the property, it turned off its lights and vanished instead, not gliding away,

just disappearing and then reappearing further away. They would then give chase like it teleported the seemingly so. OK, they would then give chase. The lights would go out and then they would reappear elsewhere further away. And it would do this for a while, bizarrely intelligently towing with them, dragging them across their own property. Not really allowing them to get too close before eventually just vanishing and then not reappearing for the night, not to return for the rest of that night.

It's like the opposite of the Monty Python gag where the guy's running from the field. Yep. Every time they look, it's like farther. And it really did seem like this thing was intelligently playing with them. Like it was it knew it was there and it was just toying with them. Tom was getting beginning to get frustrated as these were very regular occurrences. Around us properly. And you know, understandably, he was also getting angry and a little nervous. How far in are they like into their life?

You're looking where at this point, we're like three or four months in. OK, so like the really only a few months. So they're seeing shit like 14 months or 15 months. It was. So they're seeing shit pretty much constantly, constantly and all the time and almost right away, like once a week. Plus nightly. What was it? And if it's like once a week, big things are happening. The small poltergeist activity is still happening all the while.

Things are disappearing. Cabinets are opening like your typical poltergeist activity. And what's that? What's the nightly? It was like nightly UFO sightings or something. The these lights, specifically these RV lights. This is the beginning of what would be something that would be messing with him regularly for the rest of his day on this ranch. That's crazy. These are the beginnings of the regular UFO sightings.

That's because he's harassing them. They just came out and they were like, get off my property and they're like, you get off my property. I don't care if you're damn alien. Yeah. And so the aliens were like, all right. They were like, and they messed with them. Getting so freaking annoyed with their sonar. Yeah, they're teleporting.

It's there from the Jetsons. Gotcha. The Jetson teleporting to pinkish, Mr. Ali, it's Sean Connery in there. Young Sean Connery is in there. He's just up in that in that spaceship. Yeah, Tom obviously getting frustrated, angry and a little nervous were because these events were happening constantly and there had been no answers, only more questions and seemingly more things

were coming out to play with the family, toy with them, frustrate them and scare them, the animals and the lights, etc. I would be buying motion sensors. I would be buying turrets. I would be playing turret defense with my ranch. Tom began to spend his nights outside from this point on trying to catch proof of these mysterious lights that he dubbed intruders, even moving his cattle to a different part of the ranch

because the lights began to mess with this cattle. They would appear in the middle of his cattle raising up. He would hear his cattle begin to make noise. And so Tom would go to investigate. And lo and behold, there were the lights dancing around, causing chaos. And he would chase them off trying to catch so insane to me. It is insane. He got so frustrated that he that he he actually moved the cattle

to a different part of the ranch entirely for them to graze and almost frustrated with his decision. The activity of the lights increased and began to annoy him. And they're like trolling him. Yeah. And even more so being amongst the cattle, being out there in the field, he'd go chase them. They'd run away. The incidents were constant.

If they weren't nightly, they at least seemed to be often enough to just get under his skin. And instead of being run off of his property, Tom just got more annoyed and would just chase them down even more. And he would just shout at them, try to get proof of them, pictures of them. But they again acted intelligently and just seemed like they wanted to fuck with them all. Jesse, how are you doing over there? It's convenient that he couldn't get a photo, but please continue.

It's hard, dude. They're lights. Come on. They can tell. Right. Yeah, they're they're asshole lights. So, you know, he's a rancher, not a photographer. Give him some slack. Right. God damn. One particular winter or what not one winter, the winter, that winter. After another night of being outside, trying to catch these things in some way,

Tom was on his way back to the house, failing to catch anything and having to deal with the aftermath of a blizzard anyway. The whole ranch was covered in snow and that required a whole lot more work. But on his way back, Mr. Gorman saw something. Not the lights this time, but a craft. Still, an aircraft about 30 to 40 feet long with short, matte black wings. No more than 20 feet off the ground. The X-Men jet.

The X-Men jet had arrived. He also goes on to note that he doesn't believe he'd had seen it. He doesn't believe that he had. He would have seen it were not for the snow, making a very clear outline on the ground like he thinks it would have been undetectably still. And he believes he would not have seen it if the snow wasn't there, like catching, you know, moonlight and stuff like that to show a shadow. The vehicle, Tom describes, seemed like a smaller hybrid of the F 117

and the B two, but it made absolutely zero noise, which is strange because the F 117 is notably incredibly loud. I mean, even the B two is a fucking jet. That's also true. My mom works on that plane, actually. Oh, damn. Yeah, that's cool. That's a that's a that's a loud plane. Exactly. And this thing was 20 feet off the ground, making no noise whatsoever.

Moreover, to separate it from those military like flight planes, it also had multicolored, multicolored lights dancing in a recurring pattern on the snow. Tom continues to say Richard, Richard Dreyfuss is there. I know you guys are reference monsters and I'm just not. You haven't seen Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I have not.

You. OK, you have all people at the end of that movie. I know, I haven't seen it of all people. You just do yourself a favor and watch that movie. You got like Studied Project Blue Book and all this stuff to make the movie. You would you would lose your mind. It's pretty good. It's good. I should watch it. Actually, I'll watch it this week.

Yeah, it's good. I'll have a little bit of time. Lucky lucky you be like, and I can do it back to you. Then we can have our own conversation. Oh, I'm excited. So it had multicolored lights dancing in a recurring pattern on the snow. And Tom then says that it looked like the crafts movements were slow

and intentional, going back and forth over a small part of the land. What we now know as, again, Stealth Bomber Ridge. Oh, yeah. Sorry, sorry. And it seemed like Tom said that it was looking for something. So Tom went over, reached up, waved his hands and made a whole bunch of noise to get its attention. And it seemed like at the very least it worked because lights went out and the ship slowly flew off,

never adjusting at slow speed, however, and still never making any noise. Can I ask you a question? Like, real, you have to be real with me on this. When we're done, will you at least have some attempted explanation of why this ridge is so important to all of these things? I think that I think the devil is in the details there. Like, is there there has to be a reason why why Skinwalker Ridge is famous? No, no, why all these things

like are there to begin with, right? It's famous because all these things are there. But why are all these things there? It might be a reality flap. Yeah, flap. We just cried. I forgot about this. We went over this last time. I forgot about reality.

Flaps, Jesse. I promise. I forgot. I forgot. We had talked about reality. Flaps always, Jesse. Jesse. Yeah, exactly. At the end of the last episode, as we always do, there will be the theory section. Everything from the best scientific theories we can we can muster

to the absolutely insane nonsense that we also all. All right. Look, look, I'm I'm waiting. I can't wait for that because that's right now. Are you telling me is more reasons why I need to know what is important about this? Do you see this? This is what this in the camera. Your hand. Yes.

Take my hand and trust me. I'm going to guide you through Skinwalker Ranch as your partner and as your guy. I don't. Here's the thing. Trust your partner. And I'm letting you know right now we are starting this relationship off of a bad. We've been in this relationship for two years now

and you don't trust me. Dude, I would follow on this for sure. Thank you. No, I'm like, no, no. I don't know. You know, I appreciate the honesty, Jesse. I'm just letting you know. I feel like you'd lead me into some, you know, like pet this wolf. It seems friendly with its blue eyes.

No, I'm good. OK, but, you know, that dire wolf. They ended up shooting it. They ended up shooting it with four magnum bullets and two shot shot, not shotgun, a rifle bullets. Yeah. Yeah. So what you're telling me is this once peaceful wolf that then was like, oh, I'm hungry.

You then shot with a bunch of shells. And now you're like, well, it's killing my kind. That thing won't come back for vengeance. Get out of town. I if I was there, it come for me too. No, I'm good. I'm good. Jesse, the succulent calf. I'm back there with the mom.

It's like, oh, hell no. Yeah. What are you doing? Oh, my God. Hilariously enough, after that ship went away, it seemed like Tom was starting to get used to all this. All the tone that I could get from Tom reading was just exasperation and frustration. He just wanted to get back to ranch in his couch.

Just wanted to goddamn ranch, dude. He just wanted to ranch. This is a simple guy we're talking about here. Exactly. A simple great rancher and to top it off, Mrs. Gorman would also have an encounter with a similar type of ship. Ellen says that she was driving home from work as she used to do when she saw the ship

that we just described outside of her car window. She sped home, clearly upset at seeing something, calling for Tom about what. And then she went to the phone, sorry, and called Tom to tell her about what she had just encountered. Tom was out on business doing, I guess you would assume like selling cattle and calves on town and whatnot.

And Tom had to calm her down and get her inside, eventually getting home and helping calm her down. When Mrs. Gorman then described what she'd saw, it was reminiscent of the of the ship that we that. Tom had seen the a few days prior. Sorry, I'm losing track of where I'm reading for some reason. I'm like losing my it's it's late. It's late. Yeah, it's late. Bear with me here.

It's the witching hour. The perfect time. It is the witching hour. As Tom started to calm her down, what would appear outside in their field other than the two lights belonging to the quote RV unquote? Ellen was incredibly confused as the only way onto the ranch and to get to where she was seeing the lights would have been to come past the house.

But she saw nothing and these lights simply appeared. Worse yet and something to tie into something else that we've discussed. A figure then appeared in the house. No, no, at the RV. Oh, OK, because it was still somewhat light out. And Ellen could see the RV had a desk attached to the side of it in some what.

What do you mean? What a good question. Like a bunk bed that has like a desk underneath. Desk like a desk like she could see a desk on the West's like a brightly lit RV with a desk on it. In it or on it like they just like a wooden office desk. Yes, like an office desk. What? She saw a figure come into view. Sit at the desk for a little while.

Uh-huh. We're rising and heading to the door of the house. As it got closer, Mrs. Gordon, you imagine this alien's just like he goes to the desk is filling up paperwork and he's just like, Oh, God, I'm going to go to see people. Can't even believe this shit. All these forms for me. All right. And he's just like going to paperwork and he stands up and he's like,

let's get this over with. It starts marching down. I know that's what happened to these motherfuckers. It's like monsters. Hi, Mrs. Gorman. We're here to perform a survey on the abduction haunting scenarios that we we gave you the past few months. If you just go through this questionnaire with me,

the most powerful source of alien energy is the screams of human beings. Actually, if you want an actual answer, it's organ energy, which we as emotional beings with souls are able to create. And that's why our planet is so valuable to harvest for the aliens. I just knocked over organ, organ energy, organ energy. Why does it sound like it's in calisthenics? Oh, look it up. Oh, R. G. O. N. E.

I mean, diabetics, not calisthenics. What the fuck am I saying? I'm thinking at the speed of thought right now. I totally am. You are out of control. I'm just a silver being. Maybe we're getting towards the end of the episode, but just Google organ energy.

I'm going to do it for you. Or organ energy or like Oregon. Like or R. G. O. N. E. Oregon trail secret of the pyramids and why the Egyptians created pyramids because it helps the energy. No, it's not the organ. Oh, it's like it's like a 1950s product. Oh, no, Oregon energy is a pseudoscientific concept

variously described as an esoteric energy or hypothetical universal life force. OK, so wait. So how come right? How come on the Wikipedia page when I look it up, the picture is of a chamber made of wood with a cushion chair inside of it? Well, that's an organ energy accumulator, dude.

You go in there and you just get right. Yes, correct. Correct. You get small, you know, alternating layers of organic and non-organic materials inside the wall. Supposedly increase the organ concentration inside the enclosure relative to the surrounding organs. Yeah, it looks like if John Proctor did like sensory deprivation training,

like it looks fucked up. That's what the aliens want, dude. They want to work on energy anyway. Back to the other tension ball. Get out of there. Go to the ball. The aliens get in the hide behind the desk. Meanwhile, fuck.

As this this figure walked up to the door and came into better view, Mrs. Gorman could actually see the thing a little better. It was Daniel Day Lewis. Oh, she says this person was seven feet tall, wearing all black. It's not a man in black. This is bullshit.

It is. This is more exactly. This is bullshit. Oh, man. There's no way. There's no way. He was wearing a visor and knee-high boots. A visor like an 80s, like Cyberman visor or like a poker players visor.

Yeah, like a hat visor, which is also there. That has also been seen in men in black encounters because they don't understand fashion particularly well. Like a gambling visor. Yeah, like a gambling visor. Will Smith made it look good. That's true. That's true.

I was wrong. At this point, she had only called her husband on the phone and he had calmed her down over the phone. However, when this figure. She was alone there, this guy was up and was like her. When the figure arrived, she panicked and he dropped what he was doing and drove all night to get home by the time to get home to take care.

OK, yes. And what happened? The figure eventually left and the RV lights dissipated. She never answered the door and never interacted with it. She just ignored it. What a. How about howling morning? The two of them went to where she believes

she saw the RV lights and she saw footprints in the mud about 18 inches long, a prominently round heel, but no discernible boot marks, which is curious, as she certainly saw boots. And while that is only the beginnings of the interactions and encounters the Gorman family had on Skinwalker Ranch, more giant cryptids, a psychic who comes to hang out in the field and reach out to aliens and other ghost

like activities are still yet to be spoken about. Shut up on Skinwalker Ranch. Shut. And I am not kidding you. A single bit. Obviously, we also talk about their cattle, the storms that would happen and the missing cattle that would go as well as the mutilations that happened on their ranch. There's so much more to cover.

This is, without a doubt, going to be our longest series at easily four episodes. I, you know what? It's easy to make four episodes when you can just bullshit at a higher time. Yeah. And then the men in black, literally everything we've talked about, you're like, yeah, then they showed up too. This is nonsense.

The best part is that you're starting to like recognize their calling cards. Yeah, you really are starting to understand. You were, you called it men in black before I said it. Don't say it's the men in black. And it's like it was. And you were like, get out of here. You're starting to learn, Jesse.

But you got to keep in mind, too. This is what's so strange about this place. That's what makes Skinwalker Ranch so unique. Everything seems to happen here. Everything. But why are they are not like Fort Lauderdale? Why would all these aliens? Why would it be Fort Lauderdale?

But to answer your question, was that an organ depository? To answer your question, though, it's not just the family that had experiences here. And that's going to be all about episode four, probably, at this pace. No, I'm sorry. I accepted the premise that everything goes there. Yeah, but why?

But again, why there? What is so specific about that? We'll get there for sure. We will get there. We'll get there for sure. No, no, no. I'm not actually saying like organ energy. I'm not saying that at all.

No, we'll get to the theories. I can't spoil you, Jesse. If the aliens just wanted organ energy, they would just get in a wooden closet with a chair in it. And they would keep it like this. They would just keep it. And at the end of this, the whole thing is like, they're all aliens.

Don't you get it? The wolf, the men in black, the big foots, they're all aliens. I will tell you this. Without wrecking Mathis' plot reveal, I have heard theories about this very thing you're asking about. So I will say that.

OK. It's totally good theories. I'm hanging in there. I'm sorry, but Jesse, we're just going to basically, I'm putting a door stop on the open door to your mind. And I'm not just going to, I can't let it close right now. It's going to stay open for at least another two episodes. So let it feel, feel the information flow

into that open door. Yeah, no, the river's flowing. See what's through. Minefisher laying, the scary door. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Thank you for coming along with me on this ride, boys.

This is going to be so fun. I'm jacked. At the bare minimum halfway, but maybe more. I'm jacked. Like a man-sized wolf. It's a man-sized wolf. I'm as jacked as a father yelling for his 30-odd-6 rifle. Had, had, get me my rifle.

Tad, I'm about to snipe this wolf up close. Thank you guys so much for listening. If you guys enjoyed it, we'll be back next week with another episode of the Jaluminati podcast as we continue to explore Skinwalker Ranch. And we'll have a mini-soat for all you people who want to go above and beyond and who have been supporting us over on Patreon right now.

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