Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 50 - Skinwalker Ranch Part 4: The Grand Finale

Episode Date: May 11, 2020

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I as always and one of your hosts, I'm Mike Martin, joined by my two co-hosts, Jesse Cox. Hello, sir. Yo, what's going on? Eh, you know. It's Samo Samo. It's been a busy week for me, but we also have Alex here and we should probably say hi to him before we talk.

Hi, hi, hi, hi. We became like the worst hosts, like, hell yeah, it was Saturday morning, we had Zipper and the douche ready for action. Zipper and the douche. Oh my God. Boys, it's episode 50. 50? 50, episode 50.

That's exciting stuff. Man, that really messes with me. 50 of these? 50. 50. And kind of like serendipitously maybe, it is also the finale of the Skinwalker Ranch series. Maybe.

Maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I think. That'll be a perfect little thing. I swear we've only done 12 episodes of the show. Is that weird? It feels like we froze at 12 and we just didn't. We've over the years done some episodes that I think were like 20 minutes of Alex being

like, okay, now one time this guy went through a portal. Look, that's what it is. It's the show. It's the Chilubanati show. We'll talk about paranormal shit, which is now community funded. That's the show. Community funded, you say. How can I be a part of that?

You ask. Well, let me tell you, if you head over to Chilubanati pod on Patreon and you sign up at any level, starting at $15 or above, not only do you get to listen to this episode, but right when you go to the website, you get to listen to another episode of the show that we're recording right after this, the mini-soad, and you never know what's going to happen in those. Some of those are crazy. Some of them are the length of episodes you never know, so anything helps support us.

We're trying to get a full-time editor, a researcher, both actually head on down there and the show only gets better. It's true. It only gets better, and Jesse just believes that much less the more. There's a tear. There's one tear for me out there. Yeah, there is one. There's a prince.

If there's a prince out there, I know you guys are out there. I know you Saudi princes are out there. I've seen you. I've seen you. Well, it must exist. It has to be, and they hopefully listen to us. Yeah. Look, if you can buy, if you can be a whale for your online video game, be a whale for

me. Yeah. Make Jesse believe. If you're spending $1,000 a month on Tepin, spend $10,000 a month once on the Shlumanati podcast and chip somebody's life forever. Yeah, for one whole month, I will believe. Yeah. After that.

I don't even know what Tepin is. The rules are off. The rules are off. Yeah, exactly. It has to be. It's a subscription of belief. Yeah, it's a subscription of belief. For you, I will believe.

Some people won't subscribe to those sorts of ideas like Jesse, but what we're asking you to do is literally subscribe to those ideas. Oh, man. I want to make just a skit one day when we're together, where it's just Alex, the used Patreon salesman, and just, and just, and we can put it up on the, on the Patreon. But seriously, you guys, it's life changing. This is now, this is literally like as Alex said in the past, this is now our job, and this is phenomenal.

We get to do it. And today, I think, Jesse, I don't know how you're going to handle today's community funded episode. I don't think I'm going to handle it well. To be honest, I don't, I don't foresee this going well. I'm going to use my coxtradamus powers and say, I do not foresee this to be going well. I know I'm going to spend a lot of time being like, no, false, wrong, didn't happen. Well, it's exciting though, because today, Jesse, it's not just the accounts of the

Gorman family alone. It's the people who are making money off of it. They have a TV show, mostly they've spent money. You know what I mean? That's going to say, actually, let me correct you because it was the ones that went to go study it were from the National Institute for Discovery of Sciences. Now, if anybody remembers, I think it was like our first episode, we talked a little bit about them.

It was the company and research company started by Robert Bigelow or Bishlow or Beishlow, depending on, you know, however you want to pronounce it. Do you know much about him, Jesse? No, I don't know that name at all. I usually know his names. I'm like, oh, yeah, I've heard that. I don't know this. Hey, you can actually go see still exist today.

He's heavily invested in his own personal aerodynamic, aerospace rather. Robert Bigelow. Yeah, he has his own aerospace. Yeah. Oh, yeah, look at this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a real boy. A hotel chain budget.

Sweets of America. Yeah, he does. He does own that hotel. I love, you know what? I love rich people, like wealthy people, people who have too much damn money, because you always know what their real dreams are because his description is so is so simple. Robert Thomas Bigelow is an American businessman. He owns the hotel chain budget, Sweets of America, and is the founder of Bigelow

Aerospace. Yeah, deep down, the man wants nothing to do with your hotels. He doesn't care. He wants to be in space. Yes, yes. He just wants to know about space, dude. Truly tell, like it went the people who are filthy rich. They're just like, this is what I want to do when I was 10.

And now I don't care anymore. This is what I would do with that kind of money. I would set up a thing to be like fucking find aliens, dude. I mean, I agree. I would you. It just shows you that when you don't have to care about the mundane things that we all have to work our ass off for, you can get back to what you really wanted to do. And it's always always going to space.

Oh, he just had he just had one of those days where like the special teacher came to class and they all shot like Coke bottles into the air. And that day just never ended for Robert Bigelow. Yeah. That's the last thing I say about the wealthy. And that's the last nice thing I'll say. It's the last nice thing. Great.

The National Institute for Discovery of Sciences, NIDS lower case CI, if you care, was founded in nineteen ninety five by Robert Bigelow, specifically to be a go into the scientific rigor of paranormal research and as well as to secure funding along the way. It was going to be one of those look for investors while you go ahead and do a bunch of paranormal research. He studied and continued to study for many years. The has Hestland Village, which is a village in the municipality of God.

This is a Norway town. So Hotalin in Trondelag County County. That sounds like somebody from Norway. Right. Right. Yeah. The valley is about 12 kilometers long, which is about seven and a half miles and home to approximately 200 people. Hestland was of interest to his little foundation because of numerous sightings of lights in the sky.

Sightings of weird lights in the sky have been reported since at least the 1940s, with some reports going as far back as a hundred years. Sighting spiked in 1984, but have dwindled in recent years to only 10 to 20 a year at this point. In 1984, a 36 day observation of the phenomenon was undertaken with a magnet, a magnometer, a radio spectrum analyzer, a seismograph, cameras, a Geiger camera, an infrared viewer and a laser. I'm just imagining the kid who played Shorty from Goonies.

I just like getting all those little tools. Radar. I don't know because another movie crime never seen the Goonies. Oh, man, what is his name? I can't remember. But it doesn't matter, you know, whatever. It is that I'm going to spend the rest of my life making you watch movies that you criminally haven't seen. I'm fine with that. My my buddy Scott has been trying tried for years and it just never worked.

So the Goonies is good. I've heard. I've heard. So all that studying for the night again. Remember, this is the 1984 peak of Hestilin Valley where there was the obscenely lighting in the sky. During that 36 day observation, the study concluded that the phenomena was measurable. In the 1990s, a real time automated observatory was built and dubbed the automatic measurement station, AMS for short,

and was deployed in 1998 to conclude the lights were not from a manmade source. Project electromagnetic behavior of luminous anomalies, Embla for short, a joint operation between the established Norwegian team and the Italian National Research Council equipped the AMS with additional automated instruments. Project Embla came to no solid conclusions. In August of 2004, Project Hestilin was suspended due to financial difficulties.

Is there actual research on that? Is there actual like like published? Well, you can look at the lights in the sky reports over at a website called wondermondo.com slash Hestilin dash lights. And you can kind of like dip. But yeah, you can you can find this is all openly discovered that research is like generally like it's pretty solid, like well respected. But just because you got to keep in mind, too,

that just because they say that they that the was not manmade does not mean it wasn't meteors coming through the sky, all that kind of thing, which is more likely the scientific. The other day, right? Of like, yeah, they're saying, yes, it's a UFO. But that's literally all they're saying. They're not. Correct. Correct. And yeah, and unlike the videos we have now, though, they're not military equipped like cameras. They were just people in 1984 saying there's a ton of lights in the sky.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So at least people were filming it. Maybe people in America need to take note from the Norwegians. When you see something crazy, film that shit. Yeah, agreed. The other station that the NISD set up a study place for was Gulf Breeze, Florida, between November, 1990 and July of 1992, throughout the Florida panhandle, there was a spat of roughly 170 different UFO sightings.

The sightings provoked enough attention that a UFO detection van was assembled. However, when it arrived in the Gulf Breeze area, the sightings stopped altogether. And then there were no other spat of sightings like that again. All that to say that the NISD was founded in 1995 and set up all these signs through the year. But by 2004, the National Institute of Discovery ended up going shutting down also due to running out of money and not being profitable enough.

Basically too much too much of a money sink after about nine years of doing this. But the third area, the one that we care about the most that NISD was and did was, of course, none other than Skinwalker Ranch. They actually were the ones that bought Skinwalker Ranch from the Gorman family. The NISDS team sent us that was sent to study the phenomenon at the Gorman Ranch arrived in early 1996, early September of 1996. The Gormans were relieved and left the place to them and abandoned the ranch completely with the exception of Tom,

the father for those who may have forgotten, who remained on the ranch with them because he wanted answers. Now, for me, you know, come from an outside observer before we get into the details that immediately is how do you how do you interpret that out of curiosity? All these things are happening behind for how long? Like another two to three years. OK, so because they studied this ranch from 1996 to about 99.

So one of the questions that I have is, did the Gormans make money on the sale or did they like cut their losses? Great question. That is actually an excellent question that I don't have an answer to that we can maybe get an answer on the fly for. I'm just so interested because it changes like everything because if this guy if this guy made money on it, I trust him less. But if he like took a loss and then he was like, no, but I can't leave.

Like, I have to know what the fuck that dude with the desk was. Was he inside the was he inside the ship or was he outside the ship? Right. What's going on? What's the deal with that portal? Like, you know what I mean? Like if it's that's. I don't have I'm going to Google it and I'll just edit out in the in between. I just want to know.

I guess my question is dealing with all this because he's Robert Bigelow sold the ranch to the new one. Adam Antium Holdings for four point five mil. That's what he sold it for. So I imagine he bought it for less than that. Well, the price of land in general tends to go up, right? Correct. Over years. Over time, you're selling it like making a profit, no matter what.

Yeah. Are you over time? Yeah. As long as I get late, it's only 18 months. And maybe they, you know, put money into it to start their business. I'm just wondering if he bought the ranch. OK, here it is. I found it. He bought the ranch for 200 K. In 1994 or 96 sold it for how many million? Four point.

He then Robert Bigelow sold it for four point five million to Adam Antium Holdings. However, Robert Bigelow was already a billionaire at the time when he bought the ranch. So the ranch. So they bought it for 200 sold to Bigelow for the Gorman's. The Gorman sold it to Robert Bigelow for 200,000. How much did they pay for it? I don't know if we know that answer. They probably I assume they made a profit off of it.

Oh, let's see. Interesting. That's a huge. That's huge. Yeah, that's massive. And it almost feels like the legend of it grows. The more you can sell it for, right? It's just like any item you would buy in eBay, right? Like the demand for it. There's always one person out there willing to pay way too much.

Like our whole podcast started with what some called the like the. Yeah, the Amityville horror, you know, kind of a classic to cover the name of the two people. The. Oh, the the. Yeah. The two frauds. Yeah, the two frauds. The the conjuring or not the conjure. Yeah, one of them is dead now, I think the ones with the dolls. Yes. And I can't why I'm blanking, too.

It's like you shared the blanking with me. I'm sorry. Everybody rubble. Yes, Barney and Betty Rubble, different, different couple. But I know what you're talking about. But they they basically like it proves that this type of person exists, right? Same thing with our dude from Ghost Adventures, Zach Bagans, right?

Like he it's like there's there is a type of business that profits off the notoriety of scary places, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely. It happens all the time. I mean, you can simply go to eBay and look at the haunted doll market that happens. Right. But we want to make money off the doll, of course. Like, yeah, well, he's in the closet. I think he's upside hanging upside down by his foot.

Last time I looked, I love that, you know, it just happens. But my question is like, so when so, when do people start hearing about Skinwalker Ranch? Well, we're going to get into that. Oh, yeah, look, we're going to talk about the area because it's not like these people just went to the ranch and studied the ranch. They did interview people in town. They did talk to others who may or may not have seen things. And we're going to talk about all of that stuff.

But I mean, I can't find an answer as to what they the the the Gormans paid for the ranch initially, only that they sold it for 200. I mean, they sold it for 200,000. Were they in the paper like while they owned the ranch? Yes, there was like paper stuff we're going to. Yeah, don't worry, we're going to get to all of it, boys. Let's get to it. Let's get back on topic. My apologies. We did.

But that is important to know that I'm I'm I'm glad we kind of like look that up. So the time remained throughout October and November of 1996. Part of the team remained in an observational trailer set up with monitoring equipment, while the other stayed in Las Vegas, stayed in Las Vegas as relief. So they kind of had like two different teams that would shift in and out. The ones that were on the ranch at all times and the other ones that would come in and swap out during their time in Utah. The NIDS team also spoke with locals of the area, who, while reserved,

came to tell them of the very strange experiences of that area. Incidents that occurred during the NIDS ownership of the ranch, though, are what we're going to talk about, because I think those are the ones that are most important. So we start in November from the 10th to the 13th of the year. 1996, shortly after they've had the ranch bought and in their possession. On the 10th of November, Tom Gorman reported to the NIDS and reported to the NIDS, I'm just going to say I'm calling the NIDS team.

All right, it's reported the NIDS team that he had seen three yellow yellow colored lights at the southwestern border of the property where he rarely raised his cattle. This is in 96 in 1996 on November 10th, where we can actually get specific dates now because this is him reporting to NIDS. NIDS is there. They're operating. They have a team on the ranch. They have a team in Las Vegas to swap in and out. So when the team arrived the next morning to investigate,

there was nothing to be found. On the 13th, two members of the team communicating via walkie talkie saw a bright yellow light speed over the lip of the ridge. It made a full circle over the team, then flew off into the night. So right away, the team basically has an experience. Tom Gorman calls them in. They show up. Nothing happened. But then they're there just one night doing their usual.

And the team actually does see a UFO zip over them, fly over the ridge and zip off. The head cock, Jesse, the head cock to the side. You know, I can't say they didn't, but all right. I'm just saying. So we fast forward a little bit a couple months later to January, late January, the 21st. It is now the year 1997 in sync. I think it's pretty popular.

Mbop is almost a bop. Isn't that 1998 is Bob 98. 98 is the greatest year ever created for like weird because then the Britney Spears as well. Me too. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. Yeah, 98 was a good year. We're not there yet in 97, but on January 21st of 1997, Tom Gorman once again called the NIDA, the NIDS team

during the harsh during a harsh freeze that was happening, reporting injuries to the eyes and ears of three of his calves. So is he still on the farm farming? Yeah, he's still there taking care of the cattle and in doing all that stuff because I guess that was what he was allowed to do so. So for him, it's just so for him, it's just he's like business as usual, except now he's still there operating the skin. But Skinwalker Ranch belongs to now Robert Bishlow,

but he's being allowed to continue living his ranching life on the ranch because there's well, Tom wants to he wants answers. So he can also keep making money that way. And moreover, there's that there's the interest like as long as life keeps going the same way, maybe the phenomenon will continue to happen and we can catch it. Is it isn't it weird? Yeah, kind of a weird agreement that Tom remained with all his cattle and stuff and continued his rancher life.

Yeah, either way. Yeah. He had three calves that reported injury. The injuries had occurred during a snowstorm with temperatures near 30 below. Too cold for even predators to be out to attack the calves. That and Tom was very, very assured that to the to the team. Photos taken by Tom showed one calf with its ear cut up and the other two with small holes punctured in their eyelids. Because of the weather, it took Tom nearly 24 hours, however,

to convince a veterinarian to come out and assess the calves. But two veterinarians did eventually arrive and gave conflicting reports about what the injuries of the calves were. The first agreed with Tom that it was too cold for predators to have attacked and the wounds were unlike anything the vet had ever seen before. You're saying the eyelids were closed and the cows could see through. There was little punctures in their eyelids, like little puncture holes. That is crazy.

Yep, it's very weird. The second, however, who is a is important to note a more senior veterinarian than the first deemed the injuries a coyote attack and accepted no alternatives otherwise. In response to this, Tom told the team, quote, welcome to the ambiguities in the veterinarian professions as they are forced to deal with the anomalous injuries and deaths to animals. The majority of vets want nothing, whatever to do with cattle mutilations,

unexplained injuries to animals or anything that might provoke gossip in the local community that might in turn adversely affect their business. Unquote. How how could a coyote puncture a cow's eyelids without like ripping the cow's face off? Right. And moreover, it was at almost 30 below. Yeah, that's fucking like that's dangerous. So cold. Yeah, exactly. Jesse, any input out of curiosity?

I mean, I understand why you could get multiple conflicting reports. I'm yeah, the I thing. I don't I'm trying to figure out what that could be. Like, I just don't know. But I also don't know why an alien would do that. Right. Yeah. For what purpose? But that's that's the that's the question, right? That's the grand mystery of it all.

Who fucking knows? I had people I have to respect that. We got a ton of comments about like them scooping out the uteruses and stuff to use as like material for their own cloning program, the Star Child Program, that kind of thing, if you want to go absolutely into like conspiracy territory. Aliens use the cow uteruses to like incubate. Yeah. Yeah. And incubate and create.

That's such a huge leap. It's a huge leap. It's absolutely huge leap. It could also just be, I mean, you could go from that. And if you like, we have as much evidence to prove that they're scooping out anuses and and and. Well, slurping. There's correct.

Sorry, they're slurping out their anuses and their reproductive organs to create these incubation period of things. As we are saying that these are not high school UFOs coming down and doing science experiments on on Earth cattle to see how. I mean, how things work. I mean, we literally have the same amount of evidence to say both. If humans are making condoms out of lamb skin, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I want to get an alien slurp.

I know that's a weird thought process. But like, if we're doing that, what's to say? The aliens aren't taking cows, but holes, you know what I mean? And I don't know about the eye thing, but like, you know, right. But but like using sheepskin. We aren't like just taking the sheepskin to wrap around dicks and then leaving the sheep. But if I could, I would.

But if I could, I would. If I didn't have to kill the sheep. But I mean, the cows, they're killing them anyway. The cows did. But maybe they need it to be dead cow flesh. You never know. Does alien understandings. My dude, you'll never know.

Maybe they love the taste. Dude. Yeah. Maybe maybe like fucking boiling cow anus gets you high in the alien world. And you just like hallucinate. All I'm saying is, is if alien life treats cattle with such disregard and disrespect, you, oh boy, am I excited to meet them when they come to Earth. They deal with us because clearly they don't give a shit. They're going to be just like, are you kidding me?

They have their reports. Again, that's where you go to the gray abduction scenarios where there's jackoff machines and egg scooping. We have jackoff machines on Earth, right? But not like not painful ones. Like apparently the grays can be painful jackoff. Because it's not pleasurable. They don't care about the machine is amazing.

We all know what they don't want to. They're not there for the foreplay. They're not there to enjoy it. They're just there for the seed. So they just got to get to it as quickly as they can. I'm just saying, it seems like the fantasies of a person who likes like NASA. Like that doesn't seem like a thing an alien would do and more like something a human wants an alien to do to them.

Let's be real. Let's be real. I mean, you know, if the Venn diagram. What a lucky guy, right? No, it's like something a like, you know, it seems like what I would dream up in my most perverted states rather than something an alien would do. What are the aliens jerked me off because they need my man seed? What if that's weird? What if right before they rip that cow's asshole off,

they give him the greatest pleasure he's ever felt on earth? Like how pleasure looks like. I'm just saying, like maybe that the cow gets nice of pleasure and then they suck its butt out. Like, dude, dude. Can we stupid instead of these aliens being future humans? And we're just future cows and cows. One day we went back in time. And we're like, all right, we do we Marie Antoinette?

That's what I was going to give us that butthole, please. Like we that's so weird. That's so weird. The more you talk about this, the more you tell me the theories, the more I'm like, this is made up by humans. Only if this is the finale. If we get to the end of this episode, we do get to the theory section and we will get to talk about there are no correct theories here.

They're all made up. I'm convinced now more than ever, this is all bullshit. You can't even give it to me otherwise. Now you've lost me. This is the more you say jackoff machine, the more I'll fight back and be like, in China, they're using jackoff machines right now. That's how COVID spread. Everyone knows they have them.

They're nurturing, loving machines that do their job and take it seriously. Oh, this is all lies. Stop this. What I'm saying is not a lie. I'm not a nurturing jackoff machine. Like, bro, all right, bro, no, wait, like how you gonna look up? How dare you send me a picture? Don't send me a picture.

I want to see the nurturing jackoff machine. That is not how it works. This sucks. You're all wrong. These are not real things. While you look at pleasurable jackoff machines will continue the next month. As I said, Mrs. March, remember March 10th to the 12th. That's when the newborn calf got dismembered. The calf had been dismembered also in broad daylight.

Oh, my God, what are you sending me? It replicates the human. I don't want to click on that, dude. That is it's it's called a massage pipe. The link has masturbation robots firm in it, in it. So I don't want to click on it. I'm good. It's real.

Masturbation robots. I'm saying the headline to this article, too embarrassed to masturbate at the doctor's office. First off, that's just a weird thing to even have as your head. Like, what are you doing at that doctor's office? Somebody's like, that's me. I'm too embarrassed to masturbate at the doctor's office. That shouldn't be what you if you're going to the doctor, the doctor's like,

here you go. That's not the doctor you should see. You might need to. Yeah, you might need to have to like test yourself. No, no, you can do that shit at home and bring it in. You don't have to have a doctor's like, maybe they need a fresh. I need it right now. What if I didn't know on my way in? Again, this is the type of thing of like a pervy guy who's like,

and then the doctor was like, take it out for me. That is the plot of a porn, not the plot of real life. OK, stop it. You know, you know, in Kill Bill, you know, in Kill Bill, where she's like in the like hospital at the beginning and the guy comes in his name's Buck and he likes to fuck. And he drives a wagon. Yeah. Yeah.

What if this alien is the buck who likes to fuck of aliens? Well, that's what I'm saying. If those are the aliens we're giving, why are you excited to meet more aliens? They seem like terrible people. I mean, maybe if that's just the drags of society, maybe the good guys are like Mass Effect, you know, like maybe we're in there. Yeah. Yeah. We're in there. They haven't helped us once.

Well, I mean, they're at the very least. Maybe they haven't. We don't know. Maybe life has gone on this long only because of their help. No, I'm pretty sure. No. We're going to get into a little bit of some gruesome details here about how they found the calf as well, because that is also important. The calf dead. The calf was dead with the punctured eyes. Yep. We're going to talk about that right now.

OK. So the calf had been dismembered. This all happened in broad daylight. This wasn't something that happened at night. When they found it, it had been laid in the grass with all four legs spread out neatly away from the body. All of the internal organs were missing and the body looked pink and clean. That's your upper. That's his M.O.

Perfectly. Exactly. The ear where Tom had had where Tom had pierced an identification tag was removed as if with a sharp object, like the ear was cut away. There was no smell, even though the team had arrived nearly five hours later after Tom had called them. And there was no blood in the area, as if whatever had done this had managed to remove all of the gore from the scene without leaving a trace like the reports from before.

The team searched the area around the scene, but ultimately found nothing out of the ordinary and returned at dark, which arguably is even weirder. Passing the kennels, they noted the dog seemed afraid, one even whimpering. And Tom noted that they hadn't even come out to eat all day. One went missing and was never seen again. At 11 p.m. on March 12th, the dogs all began to bark in howl. And the team, as well as Tom, knew something weird was happening. They got in Tom's truck and raced out to the pasture, where they found one cow

standing beneath a large tree away from the rest of the herd. They approached the lone cow, only for the headlights to pick up yellow eye shine about 80 yards away, 20 feet up perched in the tree above the cow. 50 yards away, Tom got out of the truck and armed himself with his rifle, as he does. My 30 hot six Springfield rifle, son. Yes, father. Send me. I just run, I just runs over with the gun and a cloth. It's like a fortnight drop.

Like, yeah, exactly. So Tom got out of the truck armed himself with his rifle. And as he does, he began shooting at the creature in the tree. The shine of its eyes went out completely. Convinced they had killed it or at least struck the thing. Why would you shoot at something? You don't know what it is in a tree. So I don't.

I mean, that's what they would did with the wolf. Yeah, at least I was like an invincible wolf that was trying to kill its family. Yeah, they, they, Tom convinced they had hit it or at least struck it. Tom and did they seem scrambled to the area. But when they finally got over there, there was nothing to indicate such a large animal had been anywhere nearby. Gorman once again shouted. He saw the creature and shot twice,

exclaiming he had hit it at point blank range. But once again, when the team got over there, they found no evidence of such creature. So you've got to paint the scene. They get over there and they see some yellow eyes. Tom immediately jumps out of the truck without, not only that, yeah, he immediately jumps out of the truck, runs out there with his rifle to about 50 feet and starts popping shots

before the team has a chance to do anything. The team scrambles because they saw the yellow eyes and they run over there and he's like, I swear it was like a huge effing creature up in the tree. It was huge. And they're like, no, there's nothing here, but they, they, they start looking. Meanwhile, Tom goes off. He walks off and then he shouts, it's over here. It's over here and you hear bam, bam, two more shots.

The team makes their way over. There's no evidence of anything being over there. No bullets, no, nothing, nothing. And then Tom goes on to describe and he swears that not wasn't one, but two creatures, one in the tree and the other on the ground, each around 400 pounds. He got clever girl. The one on the ground, he claims looked like a heavily muscled dog.

The only evidence that anything had been in the area was a single oval footprint in the snow, six inches in diameter, with two sharp claws at the rear of the print. Another, after another two hours of combing the area, the team then gave up and returned to their trailer. This was recorded by the NIDS team. The footprint was then found. That's the only evidence they found.

And that could have been two claws at the back. I mean, maybe a big bird, an owl, six inches in diameter. It could have hopped on the ground, maybe or scooped up. It was like an owl scooping up an animal and had one foot touch the ground before it. I'm picturing backwards bird feet. Yeah, that's how I kind of imagined it as well. But it's funny because Tom runs around shouting all this nonsense.

And they do find something kind of, but he's talking about a big ass dog, like 400 pounds each, the big animal that's taken off in the sky. And then just the image of him running around taking shots and shouting for the NIDS team. And they show up and there's just like, there's nothing here, man. I don't know what to tell you. And it's so suspect because the NIDS team did see UFOs the previous month.

Yeah. And didn't he say that he got fur and blood off the wolf? Like when he was shooting the wolf, it was coming chunks off. And like when he, and then he found the little puddle of the cattle mutilation that he went to go collect, get something to collect. And he came back and it was like evaporated or gone. It's weird. It's just weird.

It seems like everything is just out of their reach. No evidence. Right. So we move on to the beginning of April, a couple of weeks later, April 2nd of 1997. Tom reported that another calf had gone missing, the fifth to disappear without a trace, as well as another one of his hunting dogs.

On a rare visit from his wife, Ellen, who had abandoned the ranch since August, he and his wife went on a little routine trip around the property to count their animals. They passed the bullpen where they housed the four adult bulls, two Cemental and two Black Angus each. They were worth thousands. I'm apparently, by the way, and I apologize saying Cemental wrong. Cemental? Cemental, maybe.

Yeah, I'm saying it wrong. I apologize for all you cattle fans, all you big cattle people. Registered bull breeds can easily be worth around $4,000 today per cattle. Just to give you an idea. So that's like $16,000 of cattle in those four cows alone. That's 45. Oh, yeah. Sorry.

Continue. I mean, so he's, how often is this happening? I mean, it's like about a once a month occurrence at this point. He loses all that money once a month? No, no, no, no, no. Not all of it once a month. But just to give you an idea as to like even losing one, that's $4,000 gone.

Like just to give you an idea of how much each cow is worth. That's what I'm saying, like you lose one cow, you're losing 4K. Four grand. You're losing four grand on a cow. He sold the whole thing for 200K. Like, yeah. That's, I mean, I can't. But he's, but I mean, you could also argue,

but he's still making money on top of money, right? Like he sold the ranch, but he still gets to live his ranch life and make his ranch money. I'm sure he's still selling beef or whatever, right? Yeah, he's not, it's not like his lifestyle has stopped making him money. He just loses his cow here in the... Almost like a, it's almost like a return on investment plus some. Yeah. Plus you get to, you basically get to live here for free.

I just, it seems, it seems like he's starting to love it. Oh yeah. There's definitely an element of like Tom is, if he's not, because he comes off as in the book as though it's all annoying, like it becomes annoying to him. But then you have moments like this where he like leads him on a wild goose chase with a... Come on, come on, it's right here. Yeah, yeah, exactly, man, man, I wouldn't waste my air.

Yeah, exactly. It's like freaking, uh, fucking, uh, what's his name? That Sam, fuck, Looney Tunes character. It's Yosemite Sam. Yeah, Yosemite Sam. He's very Yosemite Sam. I don't know, it's weird. But anyway, his wife's on a visit.

They're doing their rounds, counting their cows. They're passing by the bulls where there's four of them worth about 4,000 a piece. In 45 minutes into their trip, the bulls were gone. What? All of them? What do you mean? We're all gone. $16,000 with the bulls?

Poof, gone. Never seen again. Yeah, well, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll suck. Okay. Panicked, Tom began to look for tracks while Ellen began to cry. That's a lot of money, yeah. Yeah, yeah, she just began to cry. As he searched, he passed an old white trailer.

This used for years and spotted the four large bulls shoulder to shoulder inside the unused trailer, standing completely still. Tom yelled for his wife, Ellen, and banged on the side of the trailer, breaking the counts out of their stupor. Like when I say completely still, what I mean is like, not moving, not making noise, just completely locked in place. The bulls then immediately went berserk and just destroyed the interior of the trailer, managing to kick open the door and stampede into the pasture.

It took, it took several hours of the Gormins just trying to get the cows to calm down to finally get them calm enough to return them to their proper place. They called up the NID team as they usually did, and the team came out to investigate the trailer and discovered with the aid of a magnetic field detector that the bars of the corral nearest to the trailer were magnetized. Though 48 hours later, the magnetic field was completely gone. So they have readings of this magnetic field? Correct.

They have actual like info printouts from instruments? Correct. That's crazy. Who are these people? Like, are they, are they academics? They were all hired, like professional researchers, scientists that all like professionals in their field. But the thing is, you got to keep in mind this is all being funded by Bigelow and investments

that he can get to keep it running. A guy who's looking for a specific result. It lasted nine years before it went under. It didn't last long. And this was a specific. The Skinwalker Research lasted nine years? No, no, no. The entire NIDs organization lasted nine years.

This was about three or four of their years during that time. But and this was a team. I mean, the NIDs organization was specifically to to investigate paranormal stuff as well. So that alone is a fricking failed investment almost all the time. There's no money in that. There's no money in researching this shit. It is just a sink. You don't get returns on your investment money.

Yeah, he's just spending money at this point. But then he did sell the fucking farm for for 4.5 million in 2017. And he's already a billionaire. I mean, is that really a ton of money to him? I mean, he made a profit of 4.5 mil or like 4.2 not yet not adjusted for inflation. But I'm just I don't know made a profit. It's like really not a big hit for him. Yeah. And it's true.

Like this was like we were saying at the beginning of the episode very much a passion project. It seemed like we could like we don't know the level of his like access to his own money. Like this could be his like he has plans in in place right now for a 2032 opening for a space hotel. Oh, just in space. He's that that kind of guy. Got it. That's what he's looking to do.

Yeah, he's just like he wants to be a spaceman. Yeah, he really does. He just like saw Tony Stark wants to be him. It's important to know why again when we pick apart these things because it's important that we do even according with Tom and Ellen all them being there. He the only one who saw the cattle standing very still in the trailer. Tom is Tom because he banged on the trailer before the wife could see it. And there's no way to say that he didn't put them there beforehand,

but he would have had to put them there before the wife got there. And then I guess they would have had to just stay there for hours before they went on their their little tour of the of the ranch. Like it's weird that they were in there. But it doesn't surprise me that him banging on the trailer set four bull in a tiny place on a rampage. But why were they in there? Did he walk them in there?

Yeah, like, I guess. Like, even if even if he's totally faking it, how do you walk? He had to have moved them in there. He would have had to put the bulls in there himself, which means he's going all in on this fucking hoax. But the whole thing doesn't make sense. Like, why exactly? Why it doesn't make sense, even like aliens did it or like, no, you're right, though.

It's like it's all nonsense. It's all weird. I'm only interested in getting information that is it's it's like categorized. Like, even if exactly, even if I can't even if I can't draw a conclusion from it necessarily, like just getting information that's verifiable and like recorded readings on instruments. And it's always like a little it's always like a little something to say. Yeah, I guess this is kind of weird. But that doesn't prove that that an entity moved the bulls from the pen to the trailer

and put them in a stupor saying that the bar was magnetic like offers nothing. I know it doesn't, but like it offers nothing to this. It does not improve. Like, ah, yes, there was a magnetic field. That means nothing. It means nothing. Well, yeah, it's it's it's a little strange that it lasted only, but it means nothing. It's just bizarre that it was in the first place, an unexplainable phenomena there.

True. But then it went away, which then it went away, which either is one a malfunctioning technology or two possibility. A thing that that it links to what? Like if it's a link to something, then would it then be like, OK, well, now we're looking for magnetic fields everywhere we go from now on. I fucking would be. But me too.

I'm going to go on a limb and say ain't nobody doing that. Well, yeah, we'll talk about the next few. But there, but I'm like, but I gotta keep in mind, too. I'm I'm I'm also weirdly on the side of Jesse. Like there's these weird things that keep appearing. And it doesn't mean jack shit when I take it out of context. If the story is true, it's still weird and doesn't make any sense. And also that's why all of this is so confusing because.

Yes, yes. Confusing a great word is the skin walker wrench. So immediately going in, I'm like, all right. Well, we've talked about skin walkers before. So I know what you're going to tell me are stories about people who are changing shapes in the wolves and things. And there is an element of that. There is an element of like, oh, there's like wolf people on the property.

Yes. But then it's extra dimensional portals and UFOs and cars that fly. And and the mothman. Yeah. Like suddenly it's everything. And yeah, it's one of those things where because it is everything, to me, it seems like nothing because it is so all over the place. And all these incidents, none of them seem to have a connector,

except for, oh, well, it's the land and it's this area. And that's why it's special. But to me, that which apparently, which I think we should. I'm happy to put this out there now, too. Apparently, the show going on right now is has a lot of like video footage and like readings and stuff. That's something I fully plan on watching after after the series is done. And we'll probably talk about it on a mini so at some point.

But apparently, you know, there's like things happening there where there might be something underneath the ground, which would link back to the don't don't get dig claws of the very first contract. But that's something we could talk about another time. We have to move on to the very next day, April 3rd, 1997. Tom and Ellen, wary from the previous day's incident, were watching the cattle graze when 50 yards away, a cow lumbered to a blue salt lick.

The cow stopped and then began to back away from the salt lick. Time out. This is the salt like they placed. Yes, it's their salt lick. Okay. For their cows. Okay. It walked up to it and then it began to back away.

And it began to pick up speed, still backing away until it turned and stampede toward the Eastern pasture. Tom, who had noticed his compass had begun to act oddly during the strange occurrences, grabbed the device from his truck. When he returned to the herd, it had parted neatly in two as if something were moving through the middle of the herd. Tom's compass followed the invisible disturbance for 11 minutes as the cows scattered to the East and the West.

And that's the only strange occurrence that happened on that day. If you'd like to even call it a strange occurrence, cow walked up to a salt lick and began to walk away from it and eventually broke away into a run which caused a stampede. And then he watches the herd as they were stampeding, neatly split the middle to the East and the West as his compass was just spinning out of control for 11 minutes. At least it wasn't just him, right?

Well, as what, yeah, Ellen saw that whole thing happen, but when he went off and chased and talked about the compass, it was just him. God damn it, bring somebody with you as a scientist, Tom. God damn it, Tom. No, it was just him. It was something that 97, I think we, as a society, forget how fast things change. Yeah, true. 97, I was thinking, why didn't he bring a phone?

There was no cell phone with the camera in 97. You would have had to have an actual camera with you. Damn, that sucks. I know. Yeah, I wish, I want to be like, you're so dumb, Tom. But at the time, I'm like, I guess, if you were like, how old was Tom? He would be in his what?

I think he's in like his 50s. Yeah. So I mean, I'm there, maybe 60s, early 60s at most. A guy in his 50s or 60s in 1997. Not going to have a cell phone. He's never going to mess with technology, period. A rancher. Yeah.

You know, I mean, I know, it's frustrating. Even then, like he has researchers on site at all times. He should just. But they're still the ranch is huge and it takes time to get there. And they don't see it. It's just like, it's not always. Are they seeing anything about themselves? Alex is right.

Yes. Remember, they did. They saw the UFOs. That's the only thing they saw by themselves at this point. Alex is right though. You if you brought, if I had a haunted house and I brought the two of you into investigate, if I saw anything, I wouldn't then go by myself immediately. I brought you there for this purpose.

I would be like, yo, everyone here now. I know they had walking talkies. I would get over. Well, we are going to. They do set up cameras and we're going to talk about that. And you're going to be equally infuriated, I think. Of course. Because again, it's all, you know what?

It's like when you watch an episode of catfish, right? That show. Oh my God. Yes. Have you seen the clip of the newest one where the guy's like, I just want you to know I'm dating Katy Perry. I've seen that. What?

I watched that. I watched that episode. I've been watching that. I haven't seen that. But like this whole, this whole self isolation I've been watching catfish. But it's, but it's, it reminds me of that when you watching from the outside, watch the stuff that happens on catfish. You're like, how did you all either one fall for this or think you'd get away with it?

Like it's so obvious. All the signs are there that just a little, just a little bit of research is all it would take to like make the whole world come crashing down. Yes. And that's what this feels like to me that there's just all these moments where everyone seems to have done the total illogical thing. And then they're like, yeah, we didn't get any of it on videotape. It just doesn't.

There's so many like lingering questions that to me it rings as a falsehood. And that's the problem with all this is that's fine. Oh, it's so frustrating. Well, let's continue to frustrate you. April 6th, only just a couple of days after the last incident, 1997, Tom Gorman showed the NIDS team round, round tracks that appeared to be mechanical in origin rather than an animal paw print while examining a robot footprint. Well, while like a, like a, like a vehicle imprint.

Okay. Like tires? Not quite. More like this, like, like a metallic, like rectangular type deal. While examining the area, the team smelled an overpowering musk nearby. They had been on the ranch long enough to know the difference between foxes, skunks, and other wildlife. And this did not smell like anything any of the team had come become familiar with over the months.

The smell would return in a highly localized way over the course of the investigation, coinciding with the team beginning to travel with dogs. They use the dogs as a quote bio sensors as the animal seemed keenly aware of the strange phenomenon and could warn the team ahead of time. But that's the only thing that that kind of happened weird there. So there was a little bit going on that the actual scientists themselves would walk around. Again, Tom discovered the prints, not the team. He brought the team to the prints,

but they did encounter the weird smell and the smell happened most when it when the dogs were around them. Okay. Now we move to the end of April and the very beginning of May and all of May because not much happened in May either, but enough. The NIDS team, May 1997, had enclosures built on the ranch to house the dogs. The large wire enclosures measured about 80 feet by 20 feet by 15 feet high with wooden viewing platforms on each end.

Three were constructed at the west end, the middle and the east end of the property. Remember because they now have biosensors dogs working for them, worth them. Over the course of the months, the enclosures were the target of quote, poltergeist like activity. This poltergeist like interference on happened on nine dozen occasions over the course of the activity died down. Huh? Over the course of how long the activity died down at the end of May.

So we're talking doors, maybe a month, one month. Doors would open, had locks would completely vanish. The wiring securing the doors would vanish and other disturbances like that. And it just happened in May and then it stopped. This is like Tiger King, but with aliens. He's like the alien king. He's like, this is just like a bunch of unprovable stuff that's all localized around one area and it seems like the most likely person to be doing it is this guy.

But at the same time, there's scientists there who are so moved by the results of what they're doing that they're like, we better get dogs. Like we better build an enclosure for our research dogs. Exactly. Like they're not not trying. They're just trying in kind of weird unconventional ways, I guess. Like would, if I was Bigelow, if I'm a billionaire, like would I be willing to pay somebody to lead me on?

It seems like a no, right? Like if like that's probably how he became a billionaire. For like two to three years on top of it. Yeah. Would I be eagerly paying someone to lead me on? I don't know. I know. It's weird.

I forgot to mention this was something we left out of an episode because I cut it because it was too long and I meant to put it in another one, but I forgot. Tom claims during the Gorman encounters, Tom claims someone random stranger came to his site because he was called there and to meditate and to become one with with like some other entity. Like a guy showed up. A guy showed up and he and so Tom led him into the field and he went to meditate. And while Tom was there and all he was meditating, apparently a large four like like 10 foot tall

creature ran up to the both of them, howled in their face and then ran off into the woods and the guy was so afraid and told him how cursed his land was and that he would never return. Just saying. I'm just going to put that out there. That was a funny story. Definitely. I was like, I didn't think it was an important one either. Like I'm just going to cut it right up.

That was like, yeah, right away. And they're like, you got land here. It's like an inciting incident from like the story of skin walker ranch, the movie. Exactly. Your land is God run. Well, run away. Now we're going to move on to the entirety of the summer of 1997. June through August entirely.

The more you tell me the more I'm like, this is this is bullshit. The more you say at first I was like, this is fascinating. Like the last two episodes or three or I remember we've done it like this. So interesting. The more you say now, I'm letting you know the more that comes out of your mouth. The more I'm like, this is. I told you it was going to get nothing but crazier, my man. I gave you a warning.

All right, continue. One night, a dark dark on a particularly dark evening, a bluish white sphere, roughly the size of a basketball, appeared 70 yards to the NIDS teams left. Now this was happening during the to the NIDS team specifically. It hovered 15 feet off of the ground. Silence descended over the area. And then suddenly the sphere vanished as if the light had just been turned off. The team turned on a max of beam, turned on the max of beam,

a military grade spotlight that they had and lit up the pasture. Nothing was there and everything seemed normal. That is as much money. I know as the team returned to the base. Shut down after nine years. Dude, military grade spotlight. But it means they're trying like it means like when the team, anything, the thing I took away is that the team at the very least tried.

They tried real hard. I know that's what you're taking away, but it reminds me of when I go to like sets of YouTube shows and they have like four red $50,000 camera. This is going on YouTube, right? Like this is like, yo, I could do this with a webcam and a dream. I don't like this isn't that. And they have like dolly cranes that move and shit.

And you're like, what the hell? They have like PAs on set. And you're like, what is going on? They're playing Hollywood like a lot of YouTubers. I know what they're doing. And I feel like that's the same thing here. You can always play Hollywood. But, but here's the thing.

They're not making like a show out of this. They're just investigating. There's no, there's no money to be made. That's the thing that blows my mind. There's no return on this for them. There's not even the pretense of it. But I will say, it doesn't have to be money that's made. But what I think is fascinating is the idea that this guy, Bigelow,

he now has the cred to say, I am doing this. And in some communities that gets you, like you feel important. You feel like you're, you know, people come up to you and like, I guess if he carries that much, but he's like a billionaire. I'm sure we all know people, especially in this industry, who have made it and have become very successful, who are still miserable. They have all their money and they're still miserable people.

Because I think at the end of the day, even the extremely wealthy, there's something like in them, they have a desire to be something different. And to have money without respect, I think is the key. Like if people don't respect you, you know, it's. Yeah, I get fair. I mean, if he really cares and he does look like a space nerd and just wants to be accepted by the space.

But here's the thing, right? But like in the scientific space community, like NASA and all that shit, they shit on UFO people. That doesn't get you anywhere. But he doesn't seem like he doesn't care like he cares. It's one of those things where imagine if you had to enter a new club, right?

Like imagine if you were huge into aliens and you joined the alien club. If you joined the alien club, you're the bottom of the alien club. Like how dare you? I've been spending two years on this podcast. Exactly. You're the bottom of the alien club. But imagine you suddenly are now investing heavily. Now you're the guy in the alien club.

And so you have control over the alien club, which if you're a rich guy, you probably want the control. Dude, that's how you live your life anyway. What one day when we talk more about even more, like the crash of Corona incident and all that nonsense, you're going to learn how bad the UFO community works with each other. They all hate each other. Everything they've ever seen, they treat each other like crap.

They because they want it literally. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Anyway, we have to continue. So they beamed the light, the pastor was clean, and they began to head back to base. And as the team began to return back to base, one member armed with night vision binoculars. This is after the order.

This is after the orb. They're walking away after leaving like the beam. With the team member with night vision binoculars pointed out a large black creature moving north. And Tom is not here this time. And Thomas, this is just a team. This is what I'm talking about. This is the only real thing that happened.

The team member who had spotted it kept watching it while the other had to make do trying to look for a black object against the dark night sky, only using the creature silhouette against the stars. Only because only one of them had night vision goggles. 1997. The member with the binoculars. The guy who's like, hey, my night vision goggles, say it's right there.

Turn your giant ass maxi beam on it. Because because the maxi beam was set up in the pasture and they were there was out that way. They're walking away from there far away from that. So, but this is the best part. So you might think maybe, maybe the man with the binoculars would become and try to direct with the pictures. Instead, the member who could see it with the binoculars

begin to shout and panic with excitement. Well, the other one attempted to take pictures in the dark of this thing. With what? Just as a camera with a camera was like a camera. Just as quickly as it appeared, the creature departed and the team member managed to explain what had happened to him. He said, quote, something big was in the trees just in front of us. It blotted out all the other stars through the binoculars.

It took control of my mind. It told me it was watching us. Nope. No. Here's the worst part. Because imagine you are scientifically minded and that actually does happen to you. How do you tell somebody that without having Jesse's reaction happen?

I mean, because it didn't happen. But can you imagine the guys being like, he's panicking because the creature that he sees in his night vision binoculars in his head is like, we're watching you. And he's just like freaking out. Well, the other guy's like, I don't understand. Is it literally just like five black rectangles are the pictures?

Like what? Yeah, there's nothing. There's just darkness. We can't see anything. They're useless pictures. Anyway, shall we move on? What happened there? What was that?

Like what that? No, that's the thing. I can't. We can't really talk about it, right? Because that's where it ended. That was the only thing he saw creatures. To me, that's the most compelling thing I've heard this entire episode. And the fact that somebody saw something besides Tom.

Can we just pretend it was Tom dressed up in like his costume? Don't say that. I'm not even gonna lie. I honestly believe that. I honestly believe that. But what about the team member who said he saw her? Like he was being attacked in his brain. That didn't happen.

It didn't happen. Those are people who are paid to be there to find a thing. Who are like, it was in my head. It totally happened. So in accordance with Tom's claims, as we talked about in the last couple of episodes, remember how we talked about he'd always be out there and the lights seemed to play with him to mess with him?

Over the course of the summer, the team was also teased by mysterious lights that would dance nearby only to vanish and reappear hundreds of yards away, much like the second noted encounter with those lights that confused with an RV that would vanish and appear as they chased it. At this point in time, cameras had been set up around the ranch. By the end of July, as no scientifically useful data had been acquired, the team installed a series of six security cameras to run all night and all day.

They were set up in the area of dramatic events, such as the calf mutilation and orange window events, the main stuff that we were covering in the first couple of episodes. Each camera was mounted 15 feet off of the ground, each facing a different direction to capture a full 360 degree view of the area. Unbroken. That's the, yeah, like as best they could manage, yeah. Then more events began to happen.

At the end of August, while the NIDS team was away, so the cameras have been up for about a month at this point, Tom was minding his cattle at four in the afternoon. The cows startled and stampeded to the south, breaking through the fence line into the neighboring alfalfa fields. To ensure that his cows didn't get sick from eating way too much, Tom called on his boy, Tad, for help. On horseback,

the Gorman men tried to herd the skittish animals back north to the ranch, but for two hours, each time they came near the cattle, the cattle would panic and run away. By midnight, frustrated, the pair decided to move the cows 50 yards east along a ridge with a creek of 15 feet below, before turning them north to lead them back to the ranch. As they rode toward the creek,

God damn it, I just confused myself. A blood red object the size of a golf ball emerged and flew past Tom and his horse. Emerged. Emerged out of nowhere from underneath the ridge. His horse panicked and Tom had to fight to calm his horse. Turning, he saw the darting around the head of a bull and causing the animal to bellow and stampede in fear.

So this thing whips by Tom and just buzzes around a nearby bull's head, just like pissing it off constantly, just annoying it and annoying it and annoying it until eventually just stampedes. Which is kind of crazy and kind of weird. It's like a weird, like, I don't know. It goes into that, like, why? What's the point?

Why is it doing that? As they began to try again, a second red ball came straight at Tom's horse, which bolted in fear, stampeding straight toward a canyon. Tom jumped from the back of the horse and the horse jumped into the canyon, where it landed 20 feet below with no obvious injuries and it began to climb its way back up.

What? Yep. When he finally managed to remount his shaking, sweating horse, he returned to the herd, only to see the two blood red balls herding the cows toward the creek. Tom arrived too late to stop the cows as they all tumbled over the drop into the creek.

All but four cows who took the fall bellowed and clamored up on the other side of the creek, heading back to the ranch. One cow was in distress, two calves had broken legs, and a fourth lay on her side moaning and shivering. So yeah, this thing hissed off the horse to cause him to get away, and then the second orb went to join the other orb

and literally herded the cows off the ridge. Just goodbye, and four were injured while the others were okay. If that is real, that would be the most frustrating thing I could imagine as a cattle rancher. Because it's also happening in an area that isn't happening, can't be caught on camera. It's off the park lands. Actively, the orbs actively were trying

to keep the cows far away, and when he finally was taking them along about way, it just fucked and tried to kill them all or run them off a ranch or whatever. It seems like almost like behavioral experimentation. Like, I don't even know how to describe that. That's so weird. So by the time Tom and Ted returned to Ellen

at the front gate of the property, it was past two in the morning. Tom arrived first and got into the truck, watching his son approach from an adjacent pasture. Ellen nudged her husband and pointed. A blood-red ball was circling Ted's head, but Ted hadn't noticed. The ball took off toward the truck,

passing within a few feet and accelerated as it gained altitude and flew off into the western sky. And there's the immediate line from Wicked that just rings in my mind. Ted approached, confused, explaining he had felt like he was being watched. Tom took five minutes to check the irrigation gates and when he returned to the truck, Ellen pointed again.

This time, a bright blue ball was hovering over the homestead, larger than a baseball, but smaller than a basketball, as we said, similar size to the one from the last episode. It seemed to watch the Gormans watching it before darting behind the building and out of sight. So that was their ball encounter. Did they know about each other's balls beforehand? I don't like this. I'm like, this is going.

Do you know what I'm saying? What do you mean? I'm sorry. The two different sightings of balls? Like when she saw the ball that he didn't notice, did she already know that they had seen balls? Yes, because the husband had gotten back and already talked to her beforehand. Okay.

Ted was the last one to arrive. God damn it. Everything is so imaginative, interesting, bizarre. And just, but still violent enough, and they're losing things. And like their actual animals and blightly hood is still being. Yeah. It's still, that's why she was like, ah,

is this really all worth it? And that's the other reason why I'm like, how could this be him doing this if he's just throwing away like five Gs every time this happens? Yep. You know what I mean? It doesn't seem to make sense. Like there's so much on the line

every time one of these things happens that it's so hard for me. I don't know. On the one hand, obviously I hate that he's the only guy who ever sees anything. But on the other hand. Yes, that's, yeah. But on the other hand, there's so much stuff around this

that legitimizes it in terms of like, surely all these people wouldn't just get involved without anything to show for it and no evidence to get them there in the first place. And the NIDS team interviewed members. It's again, you can kind of, you can take it with a grain of salt, but they did interview the community

and they all say they saw weird things all the time, things in the sky, blah, blah, blah. But you never know. But we're about to get to an interesting point in the story. But before we do one last event for the summer of 1997, August 25th, two members of the team were exploring the property overnight. At 3.30 in the morning,

one member saw a faint light 150 feet below him. He called to a team member who was wearing binoculars. I mean, sorry, 100 feet before him, ahead of him. He called to his team member who was wearing binoculars. The light was a faint yellow in color and grew brighter and bigger. It seemed to be position positioned just above the ground. The team member wearing the binoculars

explained that what he was seeing was a tunnel, not just a light. As they continued to observe, the member with the binoculars said that something was in the tunnel. He described it as a large black creature with no face, 400 pounds and six feet tall. I'm out.

It came out of the tunnel and walked away. Quote, a big black creature just crawled through that tunnel and walked away. That's what happened. And it's lurking around here somewhere. Unquote. Who was that? Who said that?

One of the NIDS team members, the ones with the binoculars who was watching. Okay, so the NIDS guys are like, all right, no, what the hell, that's a thing. He's my thing. Yeah, he's from a slide to Louisiana. He's, you know, yeah, yeah, okay. The two members remained quiet for any sign

of the giant creature, but there was nothing. They clamored down to the area where the light was seen and smelled the now common stench associated with strange phenomenon. The faceless musk. They never found. Yeah, but they never found the creature. So like they saw like a portal open,

a creature walk through and then close. And that's the creature. That's the NIDS team. A creature mind you that matches the description that Tom Gorman gave them the night he went shooting in the woods. It's true. A 400 pound tall, dark-bodied creature that just walked

out of a portal. I was like, oh, time for my shift. And just fucking clocked in. And then the tunnel disappeared. And that's it. And then a stench was left over. What is it? What does it mean that the NIDS people are also seeing

this shit? That's the thing that like is my biggest hang up here because they have no reason to lie, I guess. Again, they're getting paid. And so here's okay. They're paid to find something. And they are getting that's that's the other argument you can have is that they are getting paid.

This is their job. Are they getting paid if they don't find anything? Right. Well, that's, yeah, if they keep finding things. But that invalidates like all scientific research. I'm very well aware. I hate saying it because that's the people who are like, science ain't even real.

That's what they say all the time. I understand. I feel terrible saying it. But here's where I want to go back and say, okay, but while that's a logical argument, one that you would, anybody should jump to when you think about even the NIDS team seeing things, but it's always weird. For the next year, nothing happened from August of 1997

to July 20th of 1998. The ranch was dead, silent and peaceful from Tom, from the NIDS team, nothing. Then. And they're all there the whole time that whole year. Yeah. The whole setup is there. The cameras are there.

They're constantly running. The NIDS team is still operating in the ranch. Bigelow still owns it. August. It's all August 1997. August 1997 to July 20th, 1998. Nothing. You know why?

GoldenEye007 came out for Nintendo 64. Everyone was playing that thing. Everyone. Shit, dude. You're right. Yeah. You're right. That's what it was.

That was the biggest technology had leaped. But what happened on July 20th, 1998 is interesting. On July 20th, 1998, the security cameras picked up no strange activity for a straight year. But on this day, Tom Gorman notified the NIDS team that three cameras had been vandalized. The wiring forcibly removed. Like the wire had been ripped out.

The PVC pipe used to anchor the wires of the cameras lay bent on the ground. The duct tape used to secure and wrap the wires had been unwound. What? And the wiring had been dragged out of the cameras. So like old school grab and rip. What did they do? Now what any logical team would do?

They investigated the incident and the team found that all three cameras had lost power at almost the same time at 830 the previous night. They watched the tape to try and identify the culprit. But even though the vandal should have been very clearly visible on screen, there was nothing to indicate anything had been vandalized on the cameras. Just three cameras around 830 all lost power.

And there the evidence found was bent PVC pipe, ripped out stuff. And that's it. And then that would be the only thing that happens until April of 1999. Almost another year later. Tom is like, I don't know. It was just super easy. I was just in that cow business loving it.

And this would be the last event that would happen for the NIDS team and the entire study of the Skywalker Skywalker Skywalker race. Where they found the Jedi. And a recording studio. Tom Gorman was still working on the ranch three years after his family had abandoned the property, determined to find closure for these goddamn events.

And one sunny afternoon in April, Ellen came to pick him up in the pickup when they saw a cloud of dust in the Corral housing that was housing their horses only about 300 yards away. Amid the cloud of dust, Tom Gorman saw a reddish brown creature chasing and panicking the horses. They drove closer to investigate. And Ellen said, quote, that's no dog. Unquote.

That's no dog. That's no dog. That's his home star. The creature in the corral was heavily muscled with short legs, almost like a hyena, but with long, thick, bushy red tail, like an exaggerated fox. What? The head looked.

I'm picturing those buff dogs from like no fear. A cartoon. Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. The head looked like that of a normal dog. However, Tom thought it might weigh around 200 pounds. Tom took off running to protect his horses

and the creature stopped hunting the horses. It leapt over the fence, ran off in the opposite direction, two legs, ran. No, like like a dog. Okay. Ran up on a slope and disappeared. The say that that strange creature was sighted twice more in 99 in the area. By other people.

By other people. By other people, not by the Gormans, by other people in the area. That's what I'm like. What the fuck does that mean? And that would be the final major sighting for the Gormans, NIDS team and all. Before eventually NIDS went under a few years later

and then they sold the ranch in 2017. To a major. All this happened in like the span. Remember, so the Gormans bought the ranch over the span of two years approximately, a little more crazy shit happened. Then it stopped. Then one event happened and then it stopped.

And then another year later, one more event happened and then it stopped. And then that was it. And then it's then it was done. Do we know if anything else has happened? Like I haven't watched the show. The show apparently has some more stuff. I personally that was the show.

The show was being made and coming out as we were tail end research phase for this. I didn't want to push this series back any further. Right. So we'll talk about that. Yeah. Yes. We're going to watch the show at some point.

We're going to talk about a few theories. We're going to it's happening. It's happening. We're going to talk about a few theories here. It would be great if we could after this whole nonsense is over and I can come out. We could we could like do a group like group watch and do like a group recording.

I'm into it. I'm into it in 2022. We'll do it. After we talk theories, we'll we'll wrap this baby up and that'll be skin walker. I'm ready for this. You have no idea. I'm ready for this.

All right. First and foremost, the main theory. Hey, the whole thing is a giant fucking hoax. This whole thing is fake. The Gormans could have made the Gormans could have made it all up to save themselves from near financial ruin, which is as we've as it could have been close. However, the native youth people already had stories

about the area long before the Gormans arrived and the Gormans had no desire to speak with members of the media about the incidents. Keep that in mind. This was never made a big thing. They didn't cash in on this, but they did to get the stories out there. Sure, but it's in a weird little book that was that was kind

of self published and just saying that the idea of we don't want to talk to the media seems like we don't want to answer question. OK, fair enough. Beyond that, the only evidence we have of it being a hoax is simply the stories. There's no way to prove one way or another that they are. They are truly hoaxing us.

The other one is, honestly, maybe not the worst idea. Common delusions, a common hypothesis and strange phenomena is psychosis, particularly paraphernalia and organized set of paranoid delusions with or without hallucinations without the deterioration of the personality and intellect. So basically someone gets so scared. They think something's happening. Their brain makes it actually their brains telling them it's

happening. And if you get somebody else worked up enough about it, they can start seeing similar things. And if you point out and like, hey, do you see that? Their brain might see it as well. Family together shooting at a dog with multiple weapons and chasing. I am aware.

Honestly, there was after investigating a variety of eyewitnesses about the ranch, the family, the nids, there was no common strand amongst the witnesses that might point to an underlying psychopathology. However, like any any look and study into it show that for what's typical of those types of occurrences, this didn't seem typical of that. Then we get into the nature theory.

Amongst the natural theories proposed to explain the phenomena at the ranch, the most common ones were wild born hallucinogens and tectonic strain theory. What? The tectonic strain theory, deposited by Michael Persinger, John Durr and others, states that there is a temporal relationship between mild tectonic or seismic stress and reports of anomalous aerial phenomena.

The theory holds that electromagnetic energy released from seismic stress sometimes manifests as light and may also interact with the human brain. Perhaps there's strains of low frequency radiation. What? What? So basically when the tech like when things shift beneath the surface and their seismic stress and just underneath the

ground, what's known to happen like there tends to be UAP reports apparently that coincide with those things. And that there's a theory posited by the people out there that I just mentioned like Michael Persinger, John Durr and others say that maybe that it also may be with low, maybe there's also low level radiation that messes with the brain that causes you to see things. You might hallucinate because it.

However, over a 10 year period in a 300 kilometer radius, no correlation was found between the geographical events and the phenomenon, even if you want to lay that phenomenon as fact. The other the other nature one is wild born hallucinogens were also ruled out as the studies. Yeah, like wild born floor that might cause it. But it was also ruled out because the studies of floor

and water found no psychoactive substances in the nearby area. So they weren't breathing in, you know, the other stuff. So like, you know, it's so crazy, right? Like this story is so not different than any other like crackpot type of UFO story, except. We're about to get into it. You know, it's actually funny. Hey, shout out to Deanna by the way, our assistant researcher

here because I'm looking at them going through the outline right now and kind of just reading over some of the basic theories. And she's still typing out theories as we're doing this right now. She's typing out the outer world parallel universe theory. Does she know we're recording it right now? She does not. I'm going to tell her where she's she can let it go.

I thought she knew what today was recording. Just making this up, but she goes along. Not not because this is what she does for her master's degree in everything. Master's degree in making stuff up because that's called English. And my mom has one. No, English is a good, good degree. All right.

Hold on. So the thing that's different about Skinwalker Ranch that's so frustrating is it's just like all these other crazy stories. There's a million places like Skinwalker Ranch out there, except that Skinwalker Ranch has stands up reasonably well to research. It stands up like reasonably well to like people coming in. I mean, I don't know if I would say it stands. It stands up better than most paranormal studies.

It has so much more research done on it. And we, and there's even more, like I said, we've talked about before, even more we don't even know about because of the series. Yeah. So before we wrap up, we can't talk about it yet because we're not done. There's more theories that need to happen. Now we get into advanced terrestrial civilizations.

Do you know what advanced terrestrial civilizations mean? I mean, it's been the name. Advanced aliens. Not aliens. Like things on Earth that have lived here for. Correct. Before humans were the dominant species, the reptilians can be considered. Depending on the theory of where you believe reptilians come from,

whether they're from it. Yeah, that kind of thing. Dwarfs before they took the boats. And to me. Ministers before they sailed west. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

The same thing. Exactly. This hypothesis. You're going to love this, Jesse. You're going to so love this one. I'm not ready. This hypothesis posits that at some point in history, even as recently as Nazi era, World War Two.

Got it. A group of humans gained access to advanced technology and have been using it to control the world from behind the scenes to ensure that they are not found. They engage in harmless harmless simulations to convince the public that benign extraterrestrials are visiting Earth. That all these things happening are skin walker ranch are happening to keep the people.

Just to fuck with us. Just to fuck with. But they have the power to control the entire world behind the scenes. Yeah, of course. What the fuck are you guys doing right now? Fix this shit. Well, listen, they've got they can't fix it. It's their distraction.

Can I tell you what's crazy? Yeah, I know you're like fix what's going on in the world. I literally just know that I have family members who are like Facebook crazy. And one of their Facebook crazy posts that I saw was like, don't you get it? This is all the government purposely trying to like get rid of members of society trying to thin the population. That's what this is.

And I'm like, y'all, I can't deal with you right now. So of course this is part of their plan. Don't you see? Well, now we get into my favorite. Extraterrestrial explanations. There's two predominant theories in the extraterrestrial extraterrestrial realm of thought for a skin walker ranch. One of the best known hypothetical

hypothetical hypothesized causes of the activity at the ranch, as words are hard, dude, is that ebony ebony ebony ebony ebony. Is that extraterrestrials are visiting the ranch, given that many of the events on the ranch are similar to common tropes found in UFO sightings. Though the NIDS team took this very seriously and tried to measure the phenomena, no conclusive evidence could be found to prove or deny that any presence of extraterrestrials were actually there.

The other side theory in the extraterrestrial world is ancient astronauts. A subset of the extraterrestrial hypothesis that even so far as back as biblical times, extraterrestrials have been visiting the earth and are in fact responsible for many events in history, including the events of skin walker ranch in much like biblical events. They happen for a very small subset of time and then they stop completely. Yeah, right. It checks out. I don't know what I don't know what I think.

I think there's something we've got. I was not done yet. We're not done yet. All right. Sorry. It's definitely a military. Is the next one. Oh, it had been posited that the events of the ranch has been caused by secret military

operations in Utah and northern New Mexico. Tom Gorman did say that they often heard heavy machinery of metal equipment coming from under the ground. Military personnel were also seen around the area fairly often. That's the only evidence we have of maybe it being military. Native American connection. There is a correlation between paranormal hotspots and a strong presence of native people. And as we covered in episode one, the bloody history of the people could have caused the

land to become a flap in reality, much like other dimensions in other worlds. It has also been posited that the disturbances in the ranch have been caused by beings from another dimension rather than extraterrestrial creatures, which also plays in the idea that it might be some interintelligent and interdimensional creature experimenting with humans on the ranch. But that is the last of the theories. That is fucking skin walker ranch. I'm so fucking happy.

That's the biggest that has been the most. That is that was a big baby, boys. That was a lot of research. Oh, I feel so good again. I thank you and shout out to Diana. I did the episode about even half as good if I didn't have somebody help carry in this weight with me and just reading the books alongside me. And wouldn't you like to have that all the time, Mathis?

You know, I would love to have that. Let me tell you something. You can make that happen. You listening at home right now. If you had to Patreon.com slash Luminati pod, you can get us Diana every time. You know what I mean? It's true. We hit our next goal.

We can make that happen. We are inches away. We are inches away. Less than less than $200 away from that goal. So please. Join us and check it out right now. After this episode, you can hear another little bit of another mini. And if you're not on the Patreon, you have four exclusive mini sodas on the Patreon to go listen

to. But I do want to say, even regardless of where we get that far not, I do want to say thank you because of being able to do this weekly. I was able to actually do skin walker ranch and it was so much fun. And I love this stuff. I love the weird. And even if I walk away going, I don't know if I'd believe Tom Gorman running around shooting like Yosemite Sam.

God, it was a cool story. And Jesse, even if you didn't believe it, I hope you walk away feeling the same. There is something about it. I'm walking away. All right. Just like that portal creature with no face. He walked away. I don't know, man.

Like we have just to get you guys hyped. Like we are balls deep at this at this point. I have like a mini schedule of like the next seven to eight, like subjects that we're going to cover. And Jesse, you'll be excited. There's a there's a little couple like one offs in there that are going to be based on history, like factual stuff. You've inspired me to go in that way.

But it's going to be weird creature kind of history. Right. You know, the fake history. The true right. Well, like the real weird creatures, the weird though. Like like like cryptid that are become animals that we know about. Okay. Oh, like mermaids or manatees.

Kind of like that. Yeah. Something like that. You know, but like some of the weird sightings. Yeah. You've got a huge. You've got a you've got a four things on the deck. One of them is an enormous undertaking.

One of them is like arguably bigger than Skinwalker Ranch. We shall see. There's a lot of reading that I'm doing. And it's it's kind of getting me very tired. But we'll we'll get there eventually. In the meantime, I have some other ones on the burners that are coming. Yeah.

Get ready. So that's it. I just want to say thank you all again. That was that's just it feels it feel proud of this little work. We're going to leave. We got to go record a mini. So if you want to reach out to us, Twitter is the best way. As always.

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