Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 54 - Cryptids of Africa

Episode Date: June 8, 2020

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Because I'm going to open this with a, I don't know. I don't know what we're getting into. I'm going to open this with a question, gentlemen. I'm going to open this with a question. Oh my God. To the two of you. Yeah. When I say cryptid, what's the first thing that comes to your minds?

Like what cryptids are the first ones that tend to pop up? Loch Ness Monster. Bigfoot. Yeah. Of course. The Jersey Devil. Man. Mothman.

My man's a mothman. All the big ones. Bigfoot. You know, all typical and all of them all here obviously in like the U.S. North America. Chupacabra. Chupacabra's out there. You know, those are all.

Is the jackal real? What do we think? No, what? The jackal? No. Silly question. Of course. Why do I feel like?

I told you. Don't you do that where you're like, silly question. Of course not. And then give that look like 40s. In my mind, Alex is just like, he just highlighted the document for his next episode and just hit delete. I'm just hanging out. My next episode was this one's true.

Is it the jackalope? Yeah. Jackalope. The jackalope. Well, yeah, it's the same thing for me too, right? We think of like, and then we did like when we did the live show, the Dover Demon and all that. The weird stuff.

We're in the kind of weird, very humanoid with wings or some sort of alien as creature, some kind of hybrid monster like the Chupacabra. They show that they do something at night. Yeah. Exactly. Right? Exactly.

But what we're going to go, the world is huge and there are cryptids of all types around the world. And while why we never hear of them often be on the ones here in the US is I wish we did. There's so many interesting other creatures out there that should make their way to our knowledge. Now, the initial plan for this episode was actually to do Ecuadorian specific cryptids specifically because we have

one confirmed apparent listener out Ecuador who's listening to our podcast. And I was like, you know what, let's do an Ecuadorian. One episode is super surreal for them. Well, yeah, let's let's just like blow their minds. In your backyard right now. In your back. Uh, however, the problem, I ran into a problem when I could

only find one cryptid from Ecuador called the chienke chien with only one account of having encountered it from the 1930s outside of folklorist type stories from the past. It sounds like an autopia of like some type of percussion instrument. And I'm sure I'm messing it up horribly as well. The pronunciation. I'm trying.

A fun fact though, the chienke chien looks like a jaguar has rainbow fur on its chest and has grabby little monkey paws for hands. It sounds like something that would guide me through like some type of acid trip. Time out. How is it the only thing you found in a cursory search of Ecuador paranormal?

I found this on Reddit. And why are we not talking about this? Talking about your credit Ecuadorian gnomes. Anyone care to verify? Well, a few years back, I had a friend from Ecuador. She told me about a very creepy story about gnomes that lived in her house. It started out like any fairy tale story.

Little man who lived in the walls. No. Usually pulled harmless pranks or helped out of the house. Think elves in the shoemaker. But then it got creepy. Apparently these gnomes are also known to wait until nighttime. Then repeat all the conversations that occurred during the

day. They do this word for word in mocking tones. That sounds like a Jeff the mongoose for one. And B also gnomes aren't specific to Ecuador. They are a world. No, but these are Ecuadorian gnomes. Sure. Sure.

I'm talking about hyper specific specific to an area and they aren't seen elsewhere in the world. Well, this guy's saying it's also seen in Mexico. Right. From old Aztec sites in ruins. Oh my God. What the fuck? We've sent Jesse down a hole.

I love that. I love that it could be Aztec related. Oh my God. I love that. Beyond that, though, you don't want this as your trip guide, Alex. It's hyper aggressive and can multiply itself when it attacks like mere image from Dungeons and Dragons.

Like it can just have a bunch. Take me. I'll be on a journey with the multiplying aggressive rainbow panther. I'm ready. Jaguar. Jaguar. Excuse me.

I'm sorry. My bad. The Shuar Indians consider it to be the most dangerous of all jungle animals. So there you go. There's your little Ecuador peak into into like their very specific cryptid. And that's all I could really find on things that are

specific there. So instead, today's episode is in about Ecuador. We're going to go way broader. Today, we are doing African cryptids as a whole, or at least a couple of the ones that I really liked because there's a lot of detail on some of these. And they're super, super cool. And I've got to say the cryptid landscape in Africa

is maybe debatably even cooler than some of the ones here in the US. The US ones tend to be more fantastical, maybe even sci-fi in nature with some of it, very mythological. They're a bunch newer, right? Like the US has only been around for a couple hundo. Yeah, exactly.

So but the running theme in the African ones, though, is like they're almost all like the Loch Nessian monster in that they're all way less fantastical in nature and much more ancient species in nature, if that makes sense. What I mean by that is like they all could be explained as like a leftover dinosaur or something. Sure. We'll talk about that.

Yeah. And while the proof. They could be explained that way, but that would be, the burden of proof would be on the person who said it. Well, yeah. Yeah, so we're just going to talk about a few that have a lot of at least sightings from ancient explorers

all the way up to 2016. And while the proof varies wildly from cryptid to cryptid, just as it does out here in the US, there's no denying that if I were to believe in any of them personally, I think these are the more believable in nature, especially with with one in particular, I'm really excited about. And the first one we're going to cover

is probably the closest to the Loch Ness monster as a whole. Its name is Mokele Mbembe, which translates into the one who stops the flow of rivers from the Lingala language. This one's probably the most popular all of the African cryptids. And I wouldn't so I wouldn't be too surprised if either of you have at least heard it in the past thing

or maybe by another name, because it does kind of come up another name. And in some consider that to be a separate cryptid, but I don't buy by what research I've done. The Mokele Mbembe is a large, smooth creature at the very least the size of a hippopotamus. Just like me. But may what?

Just like me. The size of a hippopotamus. Large, smooth, size of a hippopotamus. Large, smooth, small size hippopotamus. I'm coming for you. I'm the most steady boy in the jungle. Dude, I don't know, man. You're you're closer to Harry from Harry and the Henderson's.

But they can be as large as an elephant. It has an incredibly long said to be very muscular neck. It's also apparently incredibly flexible. Its skin is known to be a brownish gray, and it only has one very large tooth. OK, are you fucking with me or is this just me? Are you just describing me? You just had the one large tooth.

What's up? Its tail, though, is its best weapon, as it's also said to be long and strong, like in alligators or crocodiles. It said it'll destroy canoes on site without hesitation and everybody who are inside of it, though it will not be eaten. The people are just kind of left as a bloody pulp

in the rivers that they're found in. The first known mention of this creature actually popped up in a 1909 book called The Beasts and Men, which was the autobiography of the then very, very famous big game hunter Carl Hagenbeck. He was told from two different sources that the famed creature could be found in Rhodesia. The natives of the area described the creature as, quote,

half elephant, half dragon. But it wasn't just the natives that he was getting stories from, but he also got an account from somebody by the name of Joseph Mengus, who was a, quote, naturalist, unquote. So, yep, sorry, continue, please. What about this is not just like it's an animal? The way it sounds like the way it's described is a brontosaurus.

I see what you're saying. Exactly. Okay. Yeah, it's it's it. I will say I know this. I know this. Okay, I figured you might. Not from what you think.

I'm going to send you a link. Okay. I'm going to send everyone I'm going to send everyone on a wild chase on the Internet. Literally go look up baby secret of the lost legend. Yeah. Oh my god. Literally what this is about.

Okay. It's a 1985 movie. We used to have this movie at Blockbuster. Yeah, Mokele Mbembe. There you go. The plot is literally a paleontologist goes to Central Africa and discovers this creature. Buena Vista, 1985, 95 minutes.

They have it on like like where they go looking for it and they say they just they found it. Is that what the thing is? Because I've never seen this movie. They find it. They find it and they find his parents and they're like they're trying to King Kong it. And then okay, interesting.

The other one it's like the doctor wants to take it and make money off it and the military wants to kill it. Gotcha. Okay, cool. Yeah, that's interesting. I've never seen that movie. Yeah, it's like an it's like an E.T. situation. Sean Young is in it.

It's one of those things where it's like at the end the local tribesmen come and help and save the day. Oh, cool. Oh, and the prisoners in it too. Well, there you go. That's why you know it. I've never seen that movie.

It's interesting. It did not it did not get very well reviewed. Oh, no, it did not. It's not a great movie, but it is topical to what we're discussing. That's very true. It's very true. Well, Carl Hagenbeck is actually a very interesting

and important person to history as a whole. If you don't know who he is, then hopefully this will help you. I've got some fun facts about this guy written down. First, very simply, Big Game Hunter was kind of all encompassing as of as to what he did because he kind of did a lot. But his big main focus was that he was a merchant

of wild animals for European zoos, as well as for P.T. Barnum. He basically went out into the jungles and captured wild animals and sold them off. Although, let's be clear. P.T. Barnum, not the most reliable source on animals. Oh, absolutely not. That dude just made animals up.

Yeah. He was like, yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is not about, this is not about P.T. Barnum, though. I'm just saying, I can imagine P.T. Barnum knows a guy who's like, yeah, yeah, I just stuffed like a rabbit head on this snake body.

It looks a snake a bit. It's a mermaid, I tell you. It's a monkey and a fish. Yeah. Well, what Carl Hagenbeck's best known for is what's known within the zoo world as the Hagenbeck Revolution in zoos. He was the first one to do the whole natural habitats thing

in zoos at that time, to try and create an atmosphere for the animals that was similar to where they came from. And then it was widely adopted over time. He also had the most successfully, most successful privately owned zoo in Germany, the Tier Park Hagenbeck, which is still operational to this day,

but it moved to Hamburg still again in 1907. Now, you're a 14 year old. Your name, your Carl Hagenbeck, you're 14. It's about to be your birthday. Your dad's about to get you a gift. What does, he's got to be in the 1880s. What do you buy your boy for his 14th birthday? In the 1880s?

In the 1880s, 14? In the 1880s. What do you get? A coffin. I was going to say wedding gift, but a coffin is his worth too. A second pair of shoes. Oh, God.

Arsenic, if you're one of the black widows that we covered. Silver acid. His first bar of soap. His first bar of soap, interesting choices. Well, Carl Hagenbeck, his father at 14, gave him as a gift. Some seals and a polar bear. Some seals.

Some seals. Multiple seals and a polar bear. Well, there were some seals, but when they opened it was just a polar bear. It's a bloody polar bear. He had a napkin and he was sitting on his hind legs. He gives you a puppy dog eyes and he just does the burp. Wallace and the Carpenter vibes.

He's kind of scared. He's kind of disgusted with himself, but what are you going to do? He's a polar bear. All that's really fun and Hagenbeck is interesting, but this final fact is what makes Hagenbeck a peculiar interesting character from the early 1900s to an asshole from the early 1900s who did some horrific crimes on humanity. Hagenbeck was also in his career as an adult.

What was known back then as an ethnography showman. Do any of you know what an ethnography showman is? Because translated, it is human zoos. Yep, I knew it. I knew it was going to be something shitty. Yep. He would go out into the wilderness and take a kidnap the wild people that the native people that lived out there

and put them in zoos. There was a Bronx showing every day from two to four PM of this one particular woman in her natural habitat where she held a monkey. I knew it was going to be something shitty. Yep. That's like a common attraction at the World's Fair and Shit for many years was the zoo of humans.

Yeah. Yep. That was his thing. He found it fascinating and he found it scientifically like a thing that needed to be done so he could understand and blah blah. He thought he was being very... You know, the way it comes off is he told himself he was being very kind by also doing the type of natural habitat style

zoo for the people as well. I'd like to think that if cameras were achievable in those days that maybe he would have made a documentary instead. Yeah, you would hope. I would hope that. Modern era, he would have been a bit more of a kinder individual. Yeah. But that's the person who went hunting for this particular cryptid.

The Mokele Mbembe? Yeah, he went out looking for the Mokele Mbembe. The Mokele Mbembe. I'll say it ten times faster. It's all good. Thank you. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

Hagenbeck naturally went looking for this thing as a big game hunter but came up short as not known, surprised by no one and never ended up finding the creature. The mention of this creature created though quite a bit of media boom back in the day. Keep in mind he mentioned it in his book in 1909 and he's talking about a time he went looking for it years before. 20 years before. 20 years before?

Yeah. And so when this book hit it created quite like a media boom and a bunch of people went looking for this thing. Which I wish we could kind of be a part of nowadays honestly. I wonder what that media boom was like where there's just excitement in the newspapers about a fantastical creature. I mean we say that but I definitely remember when like 4,000 influencers showed up to take pictures with big ice cream.

So you know. You're right. I don't know what you're talking about. Things like you know those like places that are just like oh it's a pop-up and we're here and oh you get a dress like you're in The Shining for some reason. Gotcha. Weird. It makes sense.

Yeah yeah yeah I guess that's probably a modern day version of that for sure. But it spurred on a ton of people over the next decades over the course of the next decades to go looking for this thing. One of the earliest ones was the German adventurer by the name of Lieutenant Paul Grotz. According to his 1911 account he says quote the crocodile is found only in very isolated specimens in Lake Bangwilu except in the mouths of the large rivers in the north. In the Swampla lives the Nisanga much feared by the natives.

A degenerate Saurian which one might well confuse with the crocodile where it not that its skin has no scales and its toes are armed with claws. I did not succeed in shooting a Nisanga but on the island of Mumbuala I came by some strips of its skin. Unquote. And when he says Saurian he means the degenerate Saurian means like dinosaur just like a dinosaur creature. Yeah see that's to me to me like that's way cool.

I would I would go on a fucking hunt for this dinosaur adventure like a dinosaur hunt. 20,000 goal. $20,000 goal is a dinosaur hunt. We'd need a lot more equipment. Guys look 20k on the patreon I'll basically do any I'll basically go on any adventure. Once I can travel the world again. We do the podcast as we travel.

Bullshit you guys want I'll go to every stupid museum in every city in the whole world like I don't care I'm there. I'll be with you dude don't don't doubt it. Um continuing later on the next decade in 1927 a memoir by Alfred Alocias Smith who was at the time of the encounter in the late 1800s working for the British trading company and in his memoir he says I am behind the Cameroon there's things living we know nothing about I could have made books about many things the Jagonini they say is still in the swamps and

rivers great diver it means comes out of the waters into Vowers people old men will tell you what their grandfather saw but they still believe it's there same as the Amali I've always taken it to be I've seen the Amali's footprint about the size of a good frying pan and circumference in three claws instead of five unquote size of a good frying pan a good frying pan and then I'm shitty frying pan dude what does that mean a good frying pan how 1920s I don't know I don't know I love that the Amali is also another name that the the the the cryptid we're speaking about is the McKellay is uh is called by it's the same if you look it up if you look up the Amali there's separate accounts and separate information about it but descriptions of it all look the same

it looks like the same cryptid to me I really don't really understand uh why there might maybe there's a size difference or something maybe somebody just like started telling the story different yeah maybe yeah it's wild it's wild but it's fun it's it's but there's still one more from the 1950s an account uh this is gonna be the final excerpt uh from the book exotic zoology 1959 written by willy lay who quotes a report that was never published by and by a man by the name of Ludwig frair von stein zu lausnitz yep okay and this is about the creature uh he said in this apparent unpublished uh report quote the animal is said to be of a brownish gray color with smooth skin its size is approximately that of an elephant at least that of a hippopotamus it is said to have

a long and very flexible neck and only one tooth but a very long one some say it's a horn a few spoke up about a long muscular tail like that of an alligator canoes coming near it are said to be doomed the animal is said to attack the vessels at once and kill the crews but without eating the bodies what the creature is said to live in the caves that have been washed out by the river in the clay of the shores at sharp ends it is said to climb the shores even at daytime in search of food its diet is said to be entirely vegetable the feature this feature disagrees with a possible explanation as a myth the preferred plant was shown to me it is a kind of liana with large white blossoms with a milky sap and apple like fruits at the sombo river i was shown a path said to have

been made by this animal in order to get at its food the path was fresh and there were plants at the described type nearby but since there were too many tracks of elephants and hippos and other large mammals it was impossible to make out a particular spore with any amount of certainty unquote the thing that's crazy about this right is that like how many times like and i'm sure i'm sure this is different for everybody but like you guys go out for a walk from time to time right yeah of course in the the closest you can get to wilderness around your zone right yeah sure yeah like how often are you walking and you see something and you're like what in the fuck are you you know what i mean like be it like a small bug or like oh sometimes you see

something and you're just like what is that thing i thought you meant some silhouette in the distance no no not like a large creature yeah not like the mokale and bamboo you know yeah i was like never never happens to me alex you see a creature right yeah yeah if you imagine like going into the jungle or going into someplace like that's like uncharted like i don't know i don't know what to like where where the line is drawn between like that's just part of it here and that's like this is like some sort of special creature that's like magic or something yeah and well the magic i mean dude maybe maybe it's just a dino i mean i don't know man i don't know what it's like how does the dino even get there like the idea is like how it is in ice age the movie yeah or just like they just

survived somehow i don't know uh the creature at least at least like nowadays it probably doesn't exist um expeditions looking for the creature have happened consistently over the decades until as recently as 2016 when a small documentary indy crew went into south africa uh from south south africa rather went looking for four weeks out in the wilderness and then they later sold that footage to discovery africa they unfortunately they found nothing i think you can still you can watch it i think you can watch if you can get your hands on it from discovery africa but they they found nothing and when speaking to locals they would say it was difficult for them to determine whether the locals are speaking about this creature in a physical sense or a spiritual

sense because it it seemed like they were swapping interchangeably without really differentiating just the way they spoke about it um other locals said that if they if uh that they haven't seen it and they some believe that if it did exist the last one died out around a decade ago oh that's fascinating yeah like it's sad but it's also fascinating because there's uh in 2001 yep there was a series that uh they went to the congo and they talked with some pygmies in the congo and when they were shown illustrations of what uh the mokele could look like they all pointed to the rhinoceros oh interesting and so they pointed to the rhino and they're like well there are no rhinos in this part of africa so maybe that's why it's so rare and weird here to to natives and

locals because like for centuries it was like what the hell is this thing yeah and it also is sad then because if it died off that's like another rhino yeah that is sad as hell yeah um that's messed up so like what are they actually proposing is the cause then like them seeing it in 2000 in 2001 the bbc sent a team to the congo to investigate and they collected uh interview with the bunch of the biaka pygmies okay i hope i'm saying that right who identified the uh mokele bimbe as a rhinoceros uh while looking at an illustrated manual of wildlife right and so either species of african rhino is common in the congo basin and the mokele may be a mixture of mythology and folklore from a time when rhinos were found were found in the area that's what i see

almost all of the uh the cryptids and like this in in in africa are are like that where they can easily be seen as like a rare species of something that's just being seen in like catching glimpses of it that's because africa has so many unique biomes oh yeah that it makes sense that something from one biome could have wandered into another that's true and the people living in that area who do not travel outside of that biome would be like what the what is that that's true it's possible it's cool man um and obviously going over all this there's very little actual physical evidence out there um there are actual photos of what people believe are footprints of it and you can go look it up just look up in bbc footprint photos but to me looking at them and then like looking at

hippo photos or hippo footprints photos they kind of look the same they all look very the same it makes so real sense yeah exactly so and that's that's that that's that particular cryptid we're only gonna do one more cryptid because there's a lot and i i wanted to do all of them but two just enraptured me and this is this this is my favorite one and this is by far the scariest one that i came across okay um so you went like the friendly one yeah we do the friendly one first yeah and then as for the people who listen to this when they go to bed we end up with something that'll hopefully give you her oh so they're already asleep right now they've already passed they're either asleep or they're asking they're begging their son to bring them a bigger gun

next i'll do something i need to bring my up 38 sorry jesse i need to find this clip for you guys i need to play it on a future episode so i was listening to a podcast and there you in that in in the podcast there was like one of those like i'm gonna go to sleep news podcasts and so i was listening to it and the commercial that they played halfway through it was like beep beep beep beep beep like some no a thousand voices doing that and i like woke up in middle of the night like terrified it was like yeah yeah yeah i was like what the hell and then it's like a new podcast coming this spring i was like what the hell was that it was the rudest thing i've ever never a podcast out there never play commercials that will terrify your audience

when they're trying to like go to bed don't do that especially if you're a sleepy kind of podcast you know that's oh yeah you know you're a sleepy podcast too don't pretend you're not that's your niche and you run that niche man be the best sleepy podcast you can and now to scare you hell yeah the next trip is absolutely the scariest and most interesting and even potentially based on something that exists to this day and that my friends is the the jabah fofie okay what take that one exactly what is it the jabah fofie two words two words j apostrophe b a capital f lowercase o capital f lowercase i yeah primarily but off off primarily believed to reside within the congo this particular cryptid is a spider like creature in sizes up to four feet in uh and far four feet and long

tall whatever you don't even have to tell me that's a cryptid i would believe somewhere deeper than congo is a four foot spider that's what i'm fucking saying like what the fuck i wouldn't believe that it's rally real right yeah spider come on the legend goes i believe that the legend goes that the jabah fofie is similar in behavior to a trapdoor spider they dig oh they dig shallow tunnels they dig shallow tunnels under the roots of very large trees while camouflaging the entrance with leaves of the surrounding area then after everything's been covered and camoed up the jabah fofie lines the whole outer area with web similar to trip wires when its next meal comes through and snags on a wire the spider like creature leaps out and chases them into its nearby web

where it then pierces it with its fangs filling with an extremely painful venom paralyzing the creature and eating it alive you're just describing a spider to me like yeah you really are describing all spiders like a four foot spider a four foot long spider that has maybe on toddlers way it's awful it's horrifying and even at the end of this there may actually exist a little bit of video footage of this thing shut up i don't want to see it i want to see it immediately the jabah fofie also lays eggs that are pale yellow white and shaped like peanuts natives claim the hatchlings are bright yellow with a purple abdomen the coloration becomes darker and brown as they mature some of the people's indigenous to the regions of the

Congo where the jabah fofie is primarily seen assert that the spider was once quite common but has since become very rare thanks to human encroachment in developing cities the very first sighting of the jabah fofie at least fry western eyes was in the 1890s by the lake nyasa during which british missionary arthur jones simes and his men came upon one of this creatures his men got themselves tangled an enormous web in two giant spiders which were apparently quote two and four feet in length apart uh two and four feet of the length individually unquote it's presumably a male and a female came out of their web and attacked them simes was bitten but managed to escape after shooting one of them with his pistol he subsequently developed symptoms

including deathly pallor severe chills swelling around the area where he was bitten and became delirious before dropping into unconsciousness he ultimately succumbed these effects and died whoa r.i.p little adventuring man um they're also mentioned in other books uh particularly the the more the more older of the ones is a cryptozoological book by the name of uh by george eberhardt specifically uh in this book the terrifying experience of an english couple traveling through a region of jungle in what is now called the congo quote archi archa Lloyd and his wife were motoring in the belgium congo in 1938 when they saw a large object crossing the trail in front of them at first they thought it was a cat or a monkey but they soon realized it was a spider

with legs nearly three feet long famous naturalist and cryptozoologist william j gibbons has hunted for what some think may be a living conglise dinosaur mokele membe also went looking for the spider but could not find any evidence of their uh of their existence except for the stories shared with him and uh if you go looking on youtube uh video for the jibay membe it's called on a security footage in the distance you can see it dangle just for a moment in the distance as it hovers for about a second or two before it scurries off barely noticeable in the background now you might say yeah exactly jessie's gonna watch this video and it's uh there's a reason it's not shown often if you find the real one will you link it jessie oh yeah let me go oh let me just

get you the video i should have just linked it to you because i'm i just want to make sure i don't watch the wrong one yeah yeah yeah of course of course i'm sorry i'm sorry uh jabba fofie on camera yeah it's not it's not great fofie up baby i'm here baby come eat i'm here i'm here baby come eat my children peanut eggs or peanut eggs here you go all right here we go we're going in yeah watch you have to because this is uh with somebody having turned up the brightness so you can see the movement that's how hard it is to see in this thing so as you watch um i'll give you the timestamp it's around 30 ish second mark all right i'm jumping to memory serves oh no okay so it's by the uh the 45 second mark over by the tree on the right okay let's underneath the leaves in the dark area you're

gonna see after a few seconds something just move away oh yeah i mean i don't know why that's the jabba fofie hold on because i guess it's huge oh no i do kind of see like a fucked up creature yeah you see what i see the thing underneath the tree yeah and then it bounce and then it scurries off it's real hard to see any detail on this thing uh if you want chat or chat uh people who are listening look up jabba fofie caught on camera filter two it's just brightness turned up so you can see it 45 second it's right at the 45 second ish mark you can see it come under the tree and then scurry off yeah i'll try to remember to put the link in the far background yeah yeah you can see uh start you can start at 40 seconds

if you want and you can see it kind of like barely come into frame under the tree if you want to even start at 37 seconds you might get a better blind good thing i can't see it i'm looking at it and i just can't see it all right go to 37 seconds jesse go to 37 i'm gonna put you far back okay okay so watch under the right hand tree under the leaf area in the dark spot you're gonna see like a blur it's like a little blurry yeah and then and then it goes off you know what it looks like is it looks like uh one of those uh face huggers kind of i guess you can kind of consider it like a face hugger it's so blurry that it's like non-threatening i can kind of see it i can kind of see that element of it if you know yeah sure sure unfortunately that's the

only evidence that currently exists of the jba phofi but i wouldn't put a past a four foot spider to exist um oh absolutely absolutely i believe there's a four foot spider in there a lot of the cryptids in africa are like a giant snake it's like a really do you want to do one more yeah do you want to do one more do you want to do one more we can do one more one more one more cryptid are you kidding me all right yeah the the mbele mkele is the one that had the most info and the most to dive into everything else is kind of quick and easily disprovable or has very little evidence like the spider but that spider even the artist rendition of it that that's out there you can go look it up uh look up artist rendition of uh jba phofi it's horrifying it's just no i

don't want to run into that thing we'll go to another dinosaur-like creature the kasai rex what that has rex in the last name hell yeah dude it's the kasai rex rex what do you think it looks like t rex correct it's basically a t rex it is basically a t rex it's a gigantic theropod cryptid found also in the republic of congo the democratic republic of congo uh supposedly it is a off-shoot tangential surviving species of the tyrannosaurus rex as the cryptid's name sake tends to imply although it's unlikely to there are photos of this thing existing but we're gonna talk about why they are absolutely hoaxes and how easy it was to fake pictures back

then it's just Jurassic Park footage no no these are photos from the 1930s my friend even easier oddly even easy you think how do you photoshop photos from the 1930s well you'll find out don't worry in 1932 the uh a swedish hunter by the name of john johnson sometime called john joe hunson wanted to uh wanted to hunt a huge yeah he just wanted you know throw it out john johnson john joe hansen so he throws it off uh he wanted to go hunt an elephant um back in 1932 so he and his servant left their camp in capetown they crossed a swamp until finally reaching the savannah in the kasai valley which seemed desolate as there were no animals anywhere you gotta feel for that servant he was like we're going where yeah we're going out of the jungle to go hunt some

like animals oh very well sir you know that dude was like how many of a bitch okay how many servants do you think who are big game hunter peoples like servants try to make a break for it in the jungle oh i would have been like he shot he like the accidentally shot himself crazy oh my god he brought him back with the body how'd that happen bring him back i guess i'll go home i'll guess i'll go free yeah he always told me he was his biggest hope was that i could be free after he died and give me a good five years of freedom yeah that's what he said oh well you believe me right anyway this poor servant was dragged down to the jungle and then was brought into a desolate valley where no animals were anywhere to shoot that was until the servant cried out in excitement when he saw

two elephants so johnson or johnson however he was feeling that particular day cocked his shoddy head over to that to the animals but something was wrong with the animals there were two of them and it was supposed to be a pack about 44 meters away there was something in the underbrush stalking the elephants before long it jumped out and started hunting the elephants the servant dropped into the undergrowth while johnson paralyzed changed aim and decided to shoot this strange creature he shot him three times and only one shot hit hitting the creature in the back you know what he needed to get the gormans they hit every shot they shot dude every time they fired a dune from Jurassic Park they were they were they should have went on this then this journey

it would have been better for him he shot him three times and only one shot hit him hitting the creature on the back the creature backed away and left johnson raised his servant and decided to go back to his camp in capetown but first they had to cross the swamp when they were halfway to the swamp they heard a splash thought of crocodiles and so he looked everywhere until he saw 22 meters away the very same creature that they saw in the savannah tearing the hump of a rhinoceros off of its back oh my god and that was one bite tore off the rhinoceros's leg jesus johnson's servant ran terrified while john stayed there and watched he immediately thought of shooting the animal remembered terrified that the servant had taken it and that the animal just ran off rather unfettered

but he still had his camera so he took a photo of the creature which upon hearing the click sank quickly into the lake while the rhinoceros his body floated in a pool of blood where is this photo let's see this oh we're gonna get to the photos don't you hold off on this friggin word where is this photo upon returning to camp john walked shivering and shaking the camera collapsed and the men in there picked him up quote it was reddish in color with blackish colored stripes he said it had a long now numerous teeth he decided that the creature was about 43 feet long was a tyrannosaurus he decided that it was a tyrannosaurus rex and also said the legs were thick and it reminded me of a lion built for speed it sounds like when a grandpa like gets

scared of something and he's trying to like make it sound like really scary really scary to make him something 43 feet long i tell you there's a tyrannosaurus rex with lions legs at the beginning of the the next year 1933 a group made up of five hunters went to the kasai valley to hunt the creature called the kasai rex by the newspaper rhodesia herald which they thought was a good was a crocodile giant and that they would hunt to sell their skin at a good price they arrived at the valley and passed through the same swamp where johnson had spent the previous year one of the hunters was frightened to see a reddish tail sink into the lake they thought it was an anaconda until the atmosphere became tense they ready their weapons but were surprised by a wave of water

that fell on them from the left side the reddish tail had had left the marsh violently and hit one of the hunters who fell into the water the other four began to shoot at the reddish mass that submerged but they saw nothing only waves of water that dispersed throughout the surface the fallen man with a broken arm got up and tried to reach his companions there was a roar from under the water they moved as fast as possible but their path was hindered by a giant creature that came out on the right side that was submerged on the left side the hunters had had hidden themselves in a rock and in the end they left the area you know no other confirms this is yeah they hit a rock and then they ran off the thing didn't come out of the water okay so you might be wondering well there's

pictures dude what's going on at the pictures why weren't there any uh alleged photos well one picture depicts a monitor lizard like creature on top of a rhinoceros one and the other is uh the other was from um the guy who went on the on the expedition both were proven as hoaxes as the lizard had actually been cut out from a nature magazine the second photo shows a tyrannosaurus the second photo shows a t-rex like creature eating a rhinoceros which has been confirmed to be an image from the from the valley of guanghi cut on on top and placed on top of the rhinoceros so another magazine was cut it's just another it's another magazine a magazine from the area can i see these pictures yeah you can google it you can see all these pictures the kasai rex picture is hilarious it's

great dude it's so good literally you can see the white outline around the lizard the third picture shows a kind of monitor like lizard with stripes roaring sense but it looks like a monitor lizard so it's likely just a monitor lizard deadass just looks like disneyland yes doesn't it like that's what they did they cut out a photo they put it on top of another photo then took a picture of that like it's just oh god it's so it's so obvious um and that that my friends is the uh the kasai rex the t-rex like creature that supposedly exists in the congo but i love the fan art but i hate the the pictures another very popular sighting that we're not going to cover because there's no point in covering it is a another very popular sighting out in africa is dragons

like fire breathing wings like dragons but like it's it's uh there's speculation as to whether the fire breathing comes from acid that they believe whatever they were running into was spitting at them and it burned like fire and so that's where the legends kind of came from but dragons are another popular cryptid in africa just straight up dragons yep straight up dragons just like people are reporting dragon sightings like ufo sightings yep if we do another part two on africa which i'd like to do the other supernatural like creature that i the only supernatural like creature beyond a dragon that i'd like to cover our actual jungle ghouls like humanoid like creatures that are like stalk you in the forest and may or may not be confused with cannibals and stuff like that but

fucking horrific yeah there's also like skinwalker types yes there's one that is a literally like a lightning bird witch doctor and then one that's like a one-eyed bat there's such a cool stop out there who masquerades is a human during the day that at night becomes like a one-eyed bat and is like i suck your blood yeah there's so many cool there's so many cool things uh in african lords great i feel like ancient astronauts are actually uh another big one out there i feel like a lot of the weird things from africa that like explorers bring back like yeah i think part of it just has to do with the fact that africa was like at one point in time like a completely unknown land yep you know what i mean like i'd be willing to say still i mean the

jungles themselves there's like two westerners i just mean you know now you could see an ostrich and you wouldn't be like what the fuck but like yeah and two long legs three toes tall or like a lion is like so scary compared to like a dinosaur it does look at an ostrich that's like the closest thing to some dinosaur like a secretary bird have you ever looked up one of those nope look that thing up the shoe the shoebill like uh the shoebill birds those things are fucking crazy dinosaur looking too a secretary bird deadass looks like if you just put feathers on a dinosaur it just looks like if there was a raptor that was like oh yeah i've seen these things they're freaking cool looking yeah i see them at the zoo all the time and i'm looking at it but i'm

like that thing could ruin my life yeah i just didn't want you didn't like you anymore totally insane well thanks for coming along on this cryptid journey with me gentlemen it was fun to dive into some more like uh this type of thing yeah fair fairytale lore type stuff folklore stuff's always so like enriching yes it is and i want to tease i've got two big projects in the work we all know obviously mk ultra but i've got uh we finally got uh the next one that um uh kit is working on i'm excited we are finally gonna be working on roswell oh i'm so we're gonna roswell we all know the aliens are at right pad air force base in Dayton Ohio why are we doing this because the roswell crash remnants are now in Ohio and that's where they were taken so not there everything

we're taking a right pad air force base and then yeah but there's an answer baby yeah but there's an answer baby uh roswell will be another like skin walker four parter i think because the roswell is where we start we have to break down majestic 12 we have to break down have you been there i've never been i've never been let's go ten thousand i'm down dude yeah wherever we go for the ten thousand dollar like live special i'm in have you been to area 51 no i have and i don't even believe in that i know i know but i've never really traveled until like this job kind of came around had been on you probably just weren't running i'm imagining jesse then you know that roswell there's two crashes not just one right there's the crash the cover-up crash obviously yeah let's

just go with the desert well what if both crashes are real oh we'll talk about it baby but we we're we're they are that's man that's where majestic 12 is and like we really got to break that down so it's going to be a big big baby where i'm a pumped i'm so fucking excited to talk about a telephoto lens and we're going to go to the desert that's what's going to happen let's do it dude i'm i'm saying is do it i would we barely went into area 51 and had dudes in pickup trucks following us yeah so like and now it's probably just yeah it's fine that was really way worse uh thank you everybody for listening uh thank you too we're almost at 1200 reviews and itunes and yo so many of you on spotify that have just been dropping us some good good

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