Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 58 - The Roswell Incident - Part 1

Episode Date: July 6, 2020

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Mike Martin joined my other two co-hosts, Alex Fasciani. I am also always one of your hosts. You are also always one of my hosts. And then, honestly, I think the only one we've done one episode where Jesse wasn't here. What do you mean? I think it was episode 3.5. There was an episode where you were traveling very early on

and me and Alex did a show. Yeah, like Alex Country or something. I can't remember what it was. I'm ashamed that I let you two run and ramp it with one episode. Even if it was a .5 episode, how dare I? That was the 5G episode. How dare I let the community down? The 5G episode well on.

That's obviously true. We can only cover such truths when you are away. Right, of course. Oh, God. I'm super pumped for this episode today, gentlemen. I have to say, I know I said this is Skinwalker. Going into this, this is like double the amount of research, double the amount of time put into this.

Today, we're talking about the start, at the very least, of Roswell. The Holiest of Holies. The Holiest of Holies. It's the beginning of a lot of things. If we ever want to do more alien things that are more niche, you really have to cover Roswell and the two crashes around that area, because this is a lot of people's introduction

to MJ12, to even what grays are as a whole. This is kind of where it all bubbles up. And so I want to start, you know, I'm excited to start this multi-parter, this giant journey. But we couldn't do it without Deanna. Deanna, thank you. We are, we're talking four books of research. We're going to go over our sources here in a minute.

But I got to pitch it off to Alex first, because there would be no Deanna if there was no Patreon. That's right. Oh, we're still doing this? That's right. And if you, we can't afford it. But if you can imagine in the arms of an angel playing under this, please, if you love this show,

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And you love mini-sodes. Head on over to patreon.com slash chaluminati pod, where you. You can also, you're going to get all that research as well. So you can see what you're paying for. All that research. A lot of it. All of it. All of that research.

My notes have like my jokes in them too. They do. They actually have the jokes. Yeah, so if you ever want to see how crazy I am, just read my notes. I don't like, I don't like that. You have joke notes? Not like every joke that I say is in there.

But like, you know, I like to have bits, little fun bits. I like to have a like a vibe of levity when I tell the story, because I don't want people to fuck up and actually take it totally serious. You know, I'd like today's episode where I want you to take this deathly seriously. There was so much more.

Desecrating the Black Hills of South Dakota on it. You would see a flying saucer to represent Roswell, New Mexico. George Washington, who is not on Mount Rushmore. He's been replaced by a big alien with big eyes, and he's there. Wait, so your Mount Rushmore is a crashed UFO. Yeah. I can see it in the side lodge.

It's like a crashed UFO, but instead of like a face, it's crashed into like a big alien's face, like the one from the autopsy video. So in this timeline, we had to do an alien. An alien. All right, what are the other three? Teddy Roosevelt is replaced by Mothman, obviously. Yeah, Mothman's obviously got to be up there.

Jefferson is Bigfoot. And OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so who is Lincoln? See, Lincoln should be Bigfoot. I don't know. You just because of the beard? The big man should be Bigfoot. The hairy face, you know?

He's a little bit more associated with the outdoors. Yeah, yeah. OK, then Jefferson. Who's Jefferson? Who is the smiling man, injured, cold? I feel like he has to be one of the, like, some sort of sea creature. Well, what about the Loch Ness monster?

Well, is that an American thing? Oh, OK, all right. I didn't realize that the Mount Chilmore was the American It's the American version. OK. What if it's just a thing representing the Bermuda Triangle? Just a big ass face.

Just a triangle. Just a triangle. Just a triangle. And it's just a giant airplane black box with a thermometer in its mouth and a handkerchief around its head like it's got a fever from the 1920s. I like it. I like it.

Done. Van Art, please. Nailed it. No, the Boston Bean Boy's got to get up there at some point. He's got to shout out to all the fucking incredible, like, comic book quality Boston Bean Boy fucking art that we got. We need to keep this going.

Boston Bean Boy art. We need to. If we can get a Wikipedia page on, like, some sort of paranormal website or there's a wiki for. So yeah, if we can start making that, but don't reference this podcast at all, please. Yeah. If you think Shepard Ferry, if you

think Shepard Ferry is out there listening to episodes of Shlumanati, we want the Boston Bean Boy to be the next Andre the Giant. Like, let's get that BBB, you know. The Boston Baked Bean Boy. BBB. The Boston Baked Bean Boy? Yeah, that's how it is.

Before. Because he steals your legal nugs. He's stealing nugs. Yeah. Legal nugs. Legal nugs. Legal nugs. He's only in the States where it's legal.

Yeah. And we need to just get him out there, keep talking about him. We definitely need a shirt. Yeah, we're going to get some merch. We need people out there to just reference him in conversation. And if somebody could, like, Boston Baked Bean Boy. If somebody could see him, that would be great. Yeah.

If somebody could just spot him somewhere. If you could somehow get shaky camera footage of the Boston Baked Bean Boy getting your legal nugs, that would be great. This is what you back and fund on Patreon. You know, like, the alien in the driveway? The alien in the like, the one that looks like Bobby? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the wobbly leg one. If we could get a Boston Baked Bean Boy in the driveway.

Got the nugs. Just slapping on down the block. Oh my god, dude. I love this stupid fucking, this is what you fund at Patreon. Thank you, everybody. This is the best. We're definitely get some merch up for the Boston Baked Bean Boy. We got short merch coming.

Keep your eyes out. How have we fallen? What? Or how high have we ascended, gentlemen? I'm the Patreon guy, and I'm disgusted by our own market savvy at this point. Is it market savvy? Because if the Baked Bean Boy needs a shirt, I'd wear that shirt proudly. Me too, dude.

Are you kidding me? He has to say that. Again, yeah, he does not. No, that's what he's shouting. He's yelling. He's in a speech bubble next to him. Legalize it! Or, you know, he sounds like John F. Kennedy.

Legalize it. We need to on this shirt. We can't have it related to this podcast. The shirt needs to say, I went to Boston and all I saw was the Bean Boy. Something like a shirt that looks like you bought it at a Boston tourist shop. I bought legalized in Boston and it got stolen by the Boston Baked Bean Boy. Yeah, like that. Oh, man.

Yes, we need that. Have you seen my weed? We need to tap an artist. We got to hire somebody to whip up a little art, and that's what we need to do. We need to not have any reference to this podcast. We need to start this grassroots. Where in 20 years from now, people are like, I saw them. I saw them out on the street stealing sweet, sweet nugs.

I know. I know this is happening. I knew it was him because they were legal nugs. Oh, all right, thank you guys for allowing us to do our nonsense. We have to divert into the more serious stuff now. Roswell, New Mexico. First, we want to acknowledge our sources for those who like to read along in the book club, both in and out of the discord.

If you like to read along with us, we have a four major books that we use for research here. The first one is Crash at Corona, the US military retrieval and coverup, the 2004 edition specifically. The authors of this are Don Berliner and Stanton Friedman. Don Berliner has been a long time journalist, aviation historian, been writing full time for 30 years, has been a newspaper reporter and photographer, assistant editor, Capitol Hill correspondent, a bunch of other stuff. Stan Friedman actually has his a master's of science and nuclear physics.

He was employed by a bunch of high high end places like Aerojet, general nucleonics, general mortars. Now spends most of his time on coast to coast AM. And then, well, and then in 1970, he went and pursued the scientific investigation of US, UFOs full time. The USO. The USO is different, totally different. I'm doing something.

Yeah. They're bringing all those people around the world. How? How can they do it? How can they do it all in one night? Only with a UFO. Also, the other books, the Roswell instant, the classic study of UFO contacts. This is particularly used for interviews, a lot of, this book is basically just a compilation

of interviews of people around that time. Then we've got UFO crash at Roswell. We use that for research and a bunch of articles and whatnot. We're not going to go into the details. But if you want the books, those three books are the major, major sources for this bundle of episodes that you're going to get. The Roswell incident in particular is kind of like a modern day fairy tale at this point. It's modern folklore story told to those in circles who care about that sort of shit anyway.

It's an event so covered up in its own lies to see backtracking, backtracking of statements released, unreleased, rereleased and modified, but otherwise unchanged. There's a lot that went into the Roswell incident that makes it very confusing, even for those who believe that it was a weather balloon in the end of it all. I'm going to give my full opinion at the end of this series, but suffice to say, if this is all about a weather balloon, it's insane the length that they went to cover it all up. For weeks in late June, leading up to July in 1947, reports of dazzling lights, mysterious objects and UFOs were running rampant in the area.

During that time, an object of some sort crashed into a nearby sheep ranch, spreading debris over a square mile. On July 8th, 1947, a press release went out to the news stations across the country. This press release, first issued by First Lieutenant Walter Houtt under direct orders from Colonel William Blanchard, stated the following, and I quote, The rumor, the many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th bomb group of the either Air Force Roswell Army airfield was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers

in the sheriff's offices of Chaves County. The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such a time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Major Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office. Information was taken immediately, and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Airfield and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters, end quote.

That was the report that went out as soon as we got it. That's so funny to me. They called it a disc. Transport the disc. Yep. It's bizarre. However, following that crazy information and press release, not three hours later, another message got sent out, rectifying the claim that it was not indeed a flying saucer

or disc, but instead a weather balloon, and while behind the scenes, while they were put that correction out, the United States Air Force packed up the remnants of this balloon into a B-29 Super Fortress, flown by the 509th out of Roswell to Fort Worth with Major Marcel inside the plane. A literal, exact plane that flew the A-bomb and dropped it in Japan. The actual same plane? The actual same plane flown by the exact same outfit, flown out of Roswell to Fort Worth with this balloon inside of it.

Is the implication that they're like a prestigious group like the top? So if you want to look at B-29 Super Fortresses, they're enormous. That's what I was going to ask is how big is this wreckage? How big is this wreckage? How big is this wreckage? How big is this wreckage? It's a lot of fuel, a lot of people. Interesting.

I think what Alex is asking, though, is the crew, the reason why it's the same crew, is if they could keep their mouth shut about dropping bombs, they could keep their mouth shut about transporting the ship of this nature. The idea is that we're looking at evidence that they employed the same discreet elite crew of pilots to carry another precious piece of cargo, right? Correct. Because if you want to believe it, just use that plane, that crew, for a weather balloon. Right.

But how big was the wreckage? We're going to talk about all in detail what wreckage was found, how long it was kept, what the rancher saw, all that stuff. We're going to talk all about that. I'm just trying to think why you would need a Super Fortress. That's a huge thing. Yeah. That's a huge thing.

It's a monster ship. It's a monster's plane. Google that audience. Look how big it is. But let me continue a little while here. Following that official story was that it was a piece of wreckage as a part of the weather balloon, what's known as a radar reflector called a raw, raw, raw ensond. I think that I'm probably butchering it, but it's spelled R-A-W-I-N-S-O-N-D-E.

That's what the, after a day or two passed, that's what the official claim is, what they picked up was a raw ensond. So if you look that up, it's not really all that big. You can even look it up from the forties. There's pictures of it from the forties in case you don't want, you know, modern ones not too, too different. Oh, it's like one of those big white balloons, eh? Yeah.

More or less. So it's kind of like a deflated thing. Yeah. It's like, it's kind of like a, like a sort of like loosey-goosey, droopy balloon that flows as hell up. Yeah. Yeah. General Rami, Rami went on Fort Worth radio station, went on the Fort Worth radio station

and explained things to calm things down. He also announced that he'd be on NBC to address the country later on. However, that never went through and it never happened. And that's where the story ends for most people. And that's certainly where the government forces it to end as best they can. But if one just looks a little deeper, there's a whole lot that doesn't make sense. How can something like a balloon crash into the ground so violently that it scattered its parts over a square mile?

Why was the first press release under, under orders of a colonel speaking openly about a flying disc? Why fly the wreckage of such a simple thing on a B29 super fortress, the very same planes that carried the A-bomb to Japan? But over this multi-part series, we're ideally going to try and dissect that deep dive and drag everything out that we can get our hands on. And while it still might not be an actual physical alien craft or is it, I don't know, there are plenty of other things that it could be that aren't a weather balloon.

And so I'm super excited because now it's finally time to dive into Roswell. UFO sightings, while certainly hitting peaks and valleys through the decades, have been around longer than most people believe. While in the 40s, especially UFO fever was hitting a high, we can actually look back decades and centuries as we've talked about on the podcast many times before and still see claims of magnificent and weird shit in the sky all the time. True by definition UFO sightings. In the 19th century, plenty of captains of sea vessels and astronomers would see lights

in the skies that would perplex them, moving in ways that confused them. And so they deemed them remarkable meteors, as they at least knew what a meteor was and can compare them to that. Remy's. Is that? I'm just trying to jazz it up. Like I feel like remarkable meteors sounds like it was invented by a 19th century. Astronomer.

The dinosaurs wrong. You know what I mean? Not everything needs to be like jazzed up though. Remy's kids. Is that what you're that Alex's purpose though? Jazz. Like imagine you're on the radio. We're like, we have a remarkable meteor in sight.

That's like, that's too much. It's a mouthful. Come on. I mean, they didn't have radios back then. I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying? You get what I'm saying. You know, I know what you're saying. Wait, who didn't have radios back then?

What year are you talking about? The 19th century. Yeah, like, oh, the olden times. It makes sense why they call it captain pilots and captain like astronomers on the seas. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. That's where we're starting. We're talking about that. Yeah. There's no radios. They don't need to jazz up remarkable meteors because, you know, it's very, they had telegraphs that could have been like remarkable media. Stop coming in.

Stop. Short from now on. Stop. Stop. In the 19th century, remarkable meteors could be like the name of a magazine. Remarkable meteors. Issue 31. Stories of the sky.

Remies were seen floating over the air. Yeah. Well, things get way more interesting as we push time a little forward with the invention of airships. A rash of new reports were dubbed mystery airships in the sky. Think about, I think Jesse even talked about it a little bit. Remember when zeppelins and mystery zeppelins in the sky, kind of ghost ships that flew around?

That kind of thing. They were being seen more and more. But it wasn't until we had airplanes in the sky that they truly became commonplace. Mystery airplanes were all around with no explanation. And reaching the end of World War II, we saw a huge uptick in UFOs. Tell me, gentlemen, if this sounds a little familiar. Soldiers at the end of World War II were starting to report and see things known as, quote, playful balls of light that would dip, dodge through the trees and keep just out of range of the

soldiers. Other playful balls of light would also be in the sky, tagging along by beside the pilots as they flew. They were by all accounts docile and the suggestions for natural phenomena were your common grab bag of things like a St. Elmo's fire, which is the atmospheric discharge of static electricity. Or they would hand wave it away as enemies developing new secret technology and they were using it to test. Why would they wave it away as that?

It's probably just enemies testing super secret technology. No big deal. Well, it's up to me also at the same time, like, if that's true, why are they being passive? And why are they characterizing them as playful? Yes, also true. Why are they calling them playful balls of light? Or playbolas, as we call them on the Chaloo and Addy podcast. What?

Was that another? No comment. I call them that. Playbola. Playbola. So it wasn't just the U.S. seeing it either. There were reports of all soldiers of their reports of all kinds coming from soldiers from all every side of the war.

And they would eventually be dubbed foo fighters, hence the term. And that's where the band gets their name. Then we get the best, the best. I honestly couldn't think of a foo fighter song. So thank you for doing something because I just is like, I don't have, I don't have anything. And I wonder. Could have gone with learn to fly.

Okay. Yeah. There you go. Oh, what a great. That would have been a great reference. All right. I really want to ask of you. Do you believe a flying saucer crashed to the New Mexico desert in 1947?

I mean, do you know? Do you believe I'm just going to put this out there, but my father was born in 47. And I'm not saying I thought he's an alien, but you are a child. It was like a Superman scenario. Like it was like a baby Superman. Yeah. But he like wasted it on just like, maybe it just, maybe he just got like, maybe when he got exposed to yellow sun, he just like, maybe he could just like fart really quietly.

Like maybe it's just like not that big. That has never been his power. I'm not, I'm not on the inside on that one. I can't, I can't talk. I can't speak on that. Maybe he just like, he's really good at making fall off the bone ribs. Like, you know, maybe it's just like a little, no, that's not true either. Unfortunately.

I mean, I'm just throwing them at his examples. Like I said, I've never met the guy, does he have like a dad dish that he just is really good at? I mean, he used to make like a mean salsa. Do aliens make good salsa? Is that like a thing? I don't know. I mean salsa.

That's like, that's just like what a dad does. Yeah. Like a mean salsa. It could just be tomatoes and onions and it could be a meat salsa if your dad makes it. Yeah. Yeah. You got to have the jalapenos.

Yeah. You got to put them in there and onion. Come on now. Anyway. What are we doing? You're making me fucking hungry, dude. I need to eat. Beyond that was there and it's time to talk about food fighters.

Yeah. So food fighters. That's what they dubbed them at the end of World War Two. But sound familiar to skinwalker ranch just a little bit. Just a little bit. No. No. What?

Same type of stuff. Same type of report. But what if we just like cut skinwalker ranch off from this? I can never, I can never cut that out of my life. That's why skinwalker ranch is the biggest scam of all. Listen. Because skinwalker ranch is everything. So every time you bring up anything, you have to be like, well, you know, like skinwalker

ranch. Yeah. They, the marketing on skinwalker ranch. The team is so good. They're like, well, yeah, big foot aliens, chupacabra, Loch Ness monster. It's all there. Parallel dimensions. All there.

His monster was not there. No one said that. Nobody saw him there. Cousins of hours of my life into reading and researching and outlining and scripting goddamn skinwalker ranch. I will bring it up as many times as I want to or need to. I'm just saying, it seems like they're trying to con. It's like the late night infomercial of, you know, well, the late Loch Ness monster was

hanging out with the other guy who shot Jeff game. They're all there. Everybody's there. Dude. Everybody's there. Every time we cover, they go to skinwalker ranch after. Whenever we cover it migrates to skinwalker. You think I'm joking.

That's what skinwalker ranch is. Let's not pretend. That's what that is. Maybe you can walk the ranch is like, you know, like fables, but for, for, for cryptids and, and, and conspiracy. Sure. Oh yeah. Yeah.

That'd be great. Yeah. That's where they like retire. You know, they will live together in a community. Skinwalker ranch retirement community for cryptids, for cryptids. Yes. Oh, so good. That's another.

That's another right. That's be big foot. Yeah. Obviously, detective of the, of the, of the town, Moss man. Yeah. He's, he's, you obviously, they have, they have to have a nurse. So nurse Nessie. Yeah.

And a Loch Ness monster. They're all there. They're all there. It's all right. Uh, anyway. Shot JFK has a paper bag over his head with a question mark on it all the time. Okay. So we pushed forward in 1946, the Scandinavian countries all across.

We try to reword that Scandinavian countries in 1946, we're reporting tons of lights in the sky. Eventually they would become known as Swedish ghost lights, Swedish light balls, Swedish light balls, but it wouldn't be until the summer of 1947 where all those events leading up to Roswell would happen. And so we shift our focus to Roswell, New Mexico. Now it's funny that there's UFO flaps tend to happen during the summertime. I just want to point that out as well.

I know I have this written down. I got to use it. The most active points in skinwalker ranch were during the summertime. It seemed to take winter off and not be active during the winter. And it seems similar here where there's a rash of stuff happening in the summer and then it all culminates to one big event and then it all stops and then nobody sees anything anymore. It's very bizarre.

Yeah, perhaps a flap of some sort. A flap of some kind. Some sort of thinning of the barrier between worlds. We have it. Just like at skinwalker ranch. Yes. You're starting to understand. First of all.

1999. Ah. Lies. Let's talk a little bit about Roswell, New Mexico as a whole, much like when we did skinwalker. I want to cover a little bit about the geography and history of the area. Roswell, New Mexico is located in Chavez County, which forms the entirety of the Roswell Micro-Politan area.

It is a population of around 50,000 and the city was officially founded in August 20, 1873. Roswell has been home to the New Mexico Military Institute since 1891, a four year high school and two junior high school, junior colleges, whose presence contributed to the New Mexico becoming a state in 1912. In the 1930s, the city was chosen to house Dr. Goddard's rocket experiments, who remained for 12 years and led to Roswell being dubbed, quote, the cradle of space exploration, end quote.

And then in 2012, fearless Felix Baumgartner left Roswell Airport in a balloon and floated 39,000 ish meters above the ground, which is around 24 miles or so, to the stratosphere before jumping and returning safely back to earth. He set the record for the exit altitude highest man balloon flight and fastest speed of free fall at over 830 miles per hour. Was that the Red Bull thing? I think you might be right. Where he like, it was like live streamed and he like jumped from like that was, that was,

that was amazing. He was the first human to break the barrier of sound outside of a vehicle. Yeah, that was like Iron Man shit. That was crazy looking. Happening in Roswell, baby. Oh, they're so, they've got so much stuff that goes for them. However, the city was made famous for the July 1947 UFO crash. However, the crash was more closely located to Corona, New Mexico at the Foster sheep

ranch owned by Mac Brazel, the rancher we talked about a little earlier, with another crash happening in the plains of San Augustine, known as the flats. However, as Corona is a small village with a population of under 200, Roswell was more well known and had more resources to investigate the crash and kind of buy umbrella and a suction effect. It all kind of became known as one event, the Roswell, New Mexico event. There's a, there's a sweet little, like if you can actually go look, if you have, if anybody cares, there's actually a little map you can check out on Wikipedia that it shows

exactly where the crash sites are in relation to the city. So you kind of know where it all happened. At this point though, we're going to bump into the timeline of events. We're going to jump into the, the weeks leading up, up to the, the actual sighting now. And we're going to talk a lot about what was being seen because a lot of it was the very much the same summer, 1947. I would personally consider a UFO flap and it starts on the 25th of June in 1947. A lot of people just jumped to the crash, but it was actually a dentist by the name

of Dr. R. F. Sensenbauer, who actually had the very first sighting out in Silver City, New Mexico on a, on a nice evening. The doctor ended up seeing what he described as quote, a flying saucer shaped object about one half the size of the moon. Unquote. And it was a saucer shaped flying object about one half size of the full moon. Oh, like in the sky. In the sky.

What in the like, how he saw talking about the mother ship kind of like, what? It was moving at a relatively high speed to the south of him. One day later, June 26th, 1947, Lexington, Kentucky, another doctor saw something. A doctor by the name of Dr. Leon Otenger. He saw quote, a large civil silver ball shaped object, clearly not a ballooned or a dirigible traveling at high speed near the edge of the Grand Canyon. So this thing zipped by Grand Canyon. A lot of UFO sightings out there, by the way, the silver ball shaped object.

Now, what that interests me, because people keep seeing saucers, but a lot of saucers, when they travel by people who see them, they don't actually travel like this, like you see in the movies. A lot of the time, what they see is the saucer flips up on like a 90 degree angle and then moves forward like that. If that makes sense. So he kind of moves up and then its front is like a flat plate moving forward. Does that make, am I giving you a good visual here?

Like it lands flat and then it stands up like a rocket ship and takes off straight up into the air. But it'll do that in the air. It'll do that in the air. It'll just kind of flip onto its side and it'll still travel forward, but it's traveling forward with what could be considered at the top, now it's front. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it would propel like a helicopter does when it does like the angle down.

But like perfectly 90 degrees, not actually fully angled. It just goes whoop and then it moves. Interesting. I only say that because he's saying he sees a ball and I'm just wondering, I'm curious if we saw the front facing part of the object or something along those lines. It's like Boba Fett's ship. Like it's like, yeah, kind of more like Boba Fett's ship. There we go.

That's a really good comparison. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you Star Wars. I don't know why I didn't jump to that. George Lucas alien. What? A star child?

Complete. I don't think George Lucas is an alien or a star child. I think George Lucas be the one that like wants to go breed with the aliens. He's like the Richard Dreyfus character. That's why the twelix are so hot. What? Oh, yeah. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just don't don't question that he'd made them hot because he loves aliens. That's the point. Anyway, the next day, the 27th of June, 1947, we have five sightings all in the same day

scattered across a few different places. The first one is Tin Town, Arizona, a disc shaped object overhead zipped by and apparently came down to earth around 1030 in the morning. This was reported by John Peche, who is an electrician. So basically what he ended up seeing is he a disc zipped over and then it came down like towards out of sight, but was moving down towards earth. He believed in me moving toward it and just kind of 27th on the, this is on the 27th. Okay.

Of this is like the next day after that. There's nothing to also Arizona, but this time in Warren, the witness was actually a military man, Major George Wilcox. He saw series of eight or nine perfectly spaced discs traveling at high speed with a wobbling motion. Discs passed over Wilcox's house at three second intervals heading east and estimated to be at a height of about a thousand feet over the above the mountaintops. Do these people know each other at all?

They weren't close enough to, to like, yeah. Okay. This is all, no. And if to further, we're going to actually move to New Mexico on the same day with a different sighting. So moving even out of Arizona, but this is a somebody who has a little bit more credibility than I guess an electrician seeing things zipping over his, uh, his house at, and he, you know, like I said, a thousand feet over the mountaintops, it's not that high up.

I mean, it's high, but not that high. The third sighting would be over in Pope, New Mexico by a man, uh, known as WC Dobbs. He simply said, quote, I saw a white disc glowing like an electric light bulb, unquote. And he said it was passing over overhead. So a white disc again, glowing, but this time glowing like light bulb, I guess. It really sounds like some people saw something like, was this all over the paper or was this just like reports coming in? These are all reports coming in over the course of the two weeks.

People are reporting it as they would to, um, you know, the air, the air, the air force base and such that you would cops, police, so these aren't things that are being reported on, right? They're just like, correct. These are just reports. So here's the next one for fourth sighting, white sands missile range. The witness captain E B Dutch, Mandy minutes after the first, the sighting we just talked about the one above the WC Dobbs one, this one happened and it was another disc traveling

quickly overhead, heading to the south, south west of the base. So it zipped over the best base in a southwest direction. Last one, citing five, San Miguel, New Mexico, Mrs. David Apple's dollar. She saw roughly an hour after citing the fourth sighting, the one we just saw above, uh, no, they say above because it's in my script. You guys can't see that. But the one we referenced a minute ago, she saw similar object cited over the city also heading southwest.

So the question is, if these are to be taken as real and you don't, we can question them all you want, but is it the same craft that everybody's seeing and it's ripping by across the skies and over these states and just traveling in the same direction? Or is it multiple different things, maybe two different ships or maybe even three? I don't know. What do you, what's, how's you feel? What's your feeling on this? It's so hard to deny like a rash of sightings.

If two military ones in the same day, three civilian, like if it's not paper, if it's not like media whipping up a frenzy, like, cause that's the thing that really like that happens after the crash. I mean, like that's the thing that really takes the wind out of the, out of the sales a lot of the time is that it's like, there's a bunch of reports, but it's because like it's getting covered in the paper every day. I was going to ask, like, what is the, what, what is the timing on these? Uh, time, timing between, what do you mean?

Like, um, when people came out and said on the 27th, it was five in one night. Yeah, these are all five reported in one, like that night. Uh, that's a good question. I, Joe, I mean, that's the biggest concern for me is that I'm curious. You can say like five days later. Oh yeah, I, uh, that night I saw the thing, but I'm curious what the reports came before the crash. I just don't know if they were that night or during the two weeks at some point

during like exactly when, because I imagine the military ones were reported immediately when you say like, Oh, it's a, um, it could be one or could be many. Oh yeah. That's, I mean, I don't know. Like what your point of view is, right? Cause we want to believe that it's a shift that can move super fast. Then it's one thing. Yes.

But if you're like, well, I don't know, it could be many things. I'm really curious to see what the actual numbers are when it comes. I will, how about this? I will make a note and I'll come back to you with that in episode two. And I will have that at the top. Just so I have an idea, regardless of what it is though, I think it's hard to say that something didn't happen that night, especially since two of the reports were from military guys, right?

Which they probably were sure reporting that stuff in, you know what I mean? Well, it's just like when you see modern day UFOs that are being, obviously they're tracking something. Yes. We just don't know what. And I think this is a perfect example of like something happened and nobody, it's been a cover up so long that it's been so like convoluted. We have no clue what actually occurred.

Right. And it just, the deeper you dig, the more confusing it gets, which is just so, it's so bizarre. Now we move over to the next day. Only one sighting, 28th of June, 1947, Alamogordo, New Mexico. Captain F. Divin, who was a pilot, saw, quote, a ball of fire with a fiery blue tail behind it. Unquote, path been passed beneath his aircraft.

And then it appeared to disintegrate. Simple as that. With, with, with a blue tail behind it, went under his ship and appeared to disintegrate. Could be a meteor, could be something coming in, you know, that, that to me sounds closer to like a weird meteor or something coming in. Um, who knows, but something to keep note of. Then two more sightings on the 29th of June, 1947, the next day. This one, first one, Cliff, New Mexico.

The witness was a bunch of Army Air Force pilots, just a bunch of them. They conducted a search for a fallen object reported to have fallen sometime before noon that day. However, they found nothing, but they were in the report. They reported a strange odor in the air. So they got a report of a strange object that apparently fell, checked it out. So they went on foot down. Yeah, they went out there on foot and they smelled something.

They smelled something, but saw nothing, no physical evidence of a crash, no, uh, destroyed trees, no burn marks, none of that stuff. I hate to say it, but you know what? Other places really. I know. Skid Walker Ranch, baby. But OK, so I want, I'll get in the deck. We'll talk about it again, but we're going to see things that we've talked

about before, the idea of, of, you know, if you really want to get weird with it, aliens being a mix of physical and psychic in nature and that they're, they're maybe, you know, they're, they're sightings, but then there's nothing there and there's a smell, but there's no, no vehicle, even though the army was, you know, got pinged of a location tracking it. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. It's just fucking weird.

Who saw the object fall? By the previous day, a the object. Oh, who you talking about that particular day when they went to go when they went to go find it and they got a report of a fallen object. I'm curious if it was the object prior that day. No, it wouldn't be because it was the prior day in a different town. So they just got a report. It just came from their base.

Like, hey, a report of a, it probably could, it could have come from a civilian, it could have come from one of their scouts. Who fucking knows? But they went out on an official, they went out on an official army business. All right, the second sighting was by Dr. CJ Zahn, the same day this was in the White Sands Proving Ground. He simply saw a silver colored disc that did a bunch, a series of maneuvers at high altitude over a secret rocket test range.

This is also very, very common with UFOs, nuclear sites, missile sites. UFOs will come by, sometimes do nothing, sometimes do something. And then a zip away. Sometimes they are what do you call them? Soldiers say they see them getting scanned. But this is also weird, too. It kind of shows up, does a bunch of weird, jerky maneuvers in the sky and then takes off, gone.

That's the thing. There's so many things in this case about like flying objects that are like maneuvering around. Yeah, and I just don't see a weather balloon doing that. And keep in mind, too, this is happening. How long after we dropped the A bomb? Like two years. This is 1947.

Yeah, so we dropped it in 46. Yes, 45. That's a question. Yes, when did we drop the A bomb in Japan in World War Two? Was it 45 or 46 to end the war? Yeah, 45, 45. So a couple of years later, we're looking at after we dropped the A bomb. And there is an argument that if if it is extraterrestrial in nature,

they took interest when we started splitting the atom and causing mass destruction. But again, a fun theory for another time. Anyway, that's what they saw on that day, 30th of June, 1947, the next day. Location Albuquerque, New Mexico. They rail worker by the name of Price saw 13 silvery disc shaped objects while we're traveling one after the other. Initially heading south. They then changed course abruptly and then went east

and then reversed dramatically going west before disappearing out of sight. Like, what is that? Like, what could that be? I don't know. It's so weird. It's so that's another official report, right? That's a railroad worker. This is not a this is not a military site. Right. Somebody called it into the.

Yeah, called it into the police, you know, blah, blah, blah. I saw this, I saw this, I saw this. Sighting two of that day was then in to come to come to come Kari, I think is how you say it to come Kari, New Mexico. This was another just civilian Helen Hardin. She was a Quay County abstract company employee. Are we on the 30th now? We are still this is still.

Yes, this is still the 30th. Sighting two of the 30th. The railroad worker was the 30th. This is also the 30th. OK. She saw a flying saucer from her front porch traveling east to west at high speed. About half the size of the full moon with slight yellow cast. So I was glowing slightly yellow going east to west back and forth a bunch. I wish she saw a lot of them.

I wish she saw 13. Yeah, but remember the general the general like earlier saw nine. I know, like they maybe they were buzzing the whole. Not the general, but the yeah, it's so it's weird. And then we get to the first of July, 1947, where we got three. We got seven. OK. So it's three major sightings. But the third one is broken down into nine

because it was the same thing saw seen by a bunch of people all at once. So first sighting was Albuquerque, New Mexico. This is July 1st, 1947. Again, Chamber of Commerce Executive Max Hood saw a bluish disc zigzagging across the northwestern sky. So that's another point for bluish. Yeah, bluish. This one is time another government worker.

Yeah. Sighting to Phoenix, Arizona. So come super far away from or far away from New Mexico. Witnesses were Mr. and Mrs. Frank Munn. They saw just a large object moving over the east of Phoenix. It's a huge is an object kind of going. And then then the last one, which are seven separate reports, all of the same thing in Mexicali from Mexicali to Juarez, Mexico. There were just reports of just people of civilians

seeing flying discs from Mexicali all the way to Juarez. This was in Mexico, mind you, not New Mexico or the states. This is south further south. That is crazy, man. Like, I feel like whatever it was, there was probably multiple ones and they were probably up there in the sky. You know, I don't know what else. But like, I don't know what else I'm willing to believe.

But at least like it's it's so many different reports. Yeah, it's it's insane. And I'll just kind of go on about their day. There's nothing like incredible about these sightings either. A lot of the times, you know, I want you want to be like, well, I was out on the front porch, this thing landed and communicated with me. But really, these are just like really quick. Like I was walking and thing kind of zipped by and there it goes.

Or I was at my base and they kind of did a bunch of dances and went east. And they're just very, very quick things. It's very bizarre. We have one more day of with one more one more sighting before we actually have to move down to proper Roswell. July 2nd, 1947, this was in proper Roswell, New Mexico. Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot. They claim to have seen a large glowing object

as it passed over the home, traveling northwest at a high rate of speed. Again, something so simple, just kind of glowing and going by right by their house in New Mexico. And that would be the last one of the sightings before the actual incident. And from here on out, there's going to be a lot of characters involved. As I said, this is probably one of the more in depth ones we're doing. So this is going to be kind of part history, part crazy, hopefully all together and for an enjoyable thing.

Because now we got to move into I want to talk a little bit about the people involved. So you understand who these people are when their names come up and just where their positions were within the government at the time. It's not like a huge list of 20 people, right? Just about seven or so that are worth noting. We've got W. W. Mac Brazel. This is the four minute, the forest ranch. This is the rancher that that ended up having the crash happen on his ranch site.

So Mac Brazel rancher is this the share of Georgia? Likely, yes, there's also Sheriff George A. Wilcox. He's the sheriff of Chavez County, which is the county Roswells in. He's the one that ends up responding to the rancher and gets to see the debris first before the US Army gets their hands on it. So it's important to know what take what he says with that in mind. Frank Joyce is a reporter and announcer for the Roswell radio station KGFL. He interviewed Mac Brazel on the telephone before the military arrived

and was later told a different story entirely. We'll go about that as well. Major Jesse A. Marshall, you might remember recognize the name. We talked about him a little earlier. He's the one the intelligence office at Roswell Army Airfield. Five oh ninth bomb group intelligence officer. He picked up the material at the ranch and then later flew with it personally on the super fortress

from Roswell, New Mexico to Fort Worth, Fort Worth, Texas. He's the same guy who flew with Little Boy. He's what little bomb. Yeah, no, he's none. He didn't fly with the bomb. He's he just flew personally with the crash debris from Roswell there. Then there's C.I.C. Cavett, he's the counterintelligence officer.

He picked up material at the ranch, has since denied any involvement, despite multiple eyewitness testimonies, putting him at the scenes. We'll talk about that as well. Gerald Anderson claimed to have found wreckage and bodies on the plains of San Augustine. That's a second crash site. But remember about 120 miles from where Mac Brazel found the wreckage.

Six years old. And this is all six years old at the time. He was six years old at the time, Gerald. So again, important to keep that in mind when Gerald Anderson talks about what he sees. He was six. Then there's Grady L. Barney Barnett. She claimed to found some wreckage and bodies

in the plains of San Augustine as well. Also in the same ish area, about 120 miles from where Mac Brazel found the wreckage. And then finally, Glenn Davis. He was a mortician for Roswell Army Airfield and claimed to have spoken with a nurse who had seen the alien bodies for herself. However, the nurse remains unidentified, of course.

We do not know who that nurse was, nor if we can take that as a point of fact. So he's just known because of he has this one piece of hearsay. Correct. There's that's one of those like, well, he might just be trying to get in on the story, you know, like, well, no, I definitely the nurse. She saw the aliens, dude. She saw she definitely saw.

So we're going to quickly talk a little bit about the actual event. And then we're going to leave the episode off and we're going to move into episode two soon. Damn. Wednesday. July 2nd, 1947, the day of the last sighting that we talked about is actually the very beginning of the Roswell incident. Mr. and Mrs. Don Wilmot reported an oval shaped object moving at an incredibly high rate of speed over their house

in Roswell, New Mexico. During a thunderstorm in the Corona, New Mexico area, Mac Brazel heard a thunder clap that sounded like an explosion that he says sounds, quote, much different than thunder and, quote. William Woody also reported that he and his father watched a bright meteor described as white with a red tail streak with a red tail streak across the sky falling past the horizon out of sight. So this is all in July 2nd, 1947.

You kind of take pieces. Each one saw a different thing. Brazel had the clap happen. Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot saw an oval shaped object fly over their bit, their house just kind of like, whoa, neat. Oval shaped, fits tic-tac shape. Well, I don't know. What do you think they were saying in 1947 when they saw wife, bro?

In 1947, they were like, tubular, my guy. Bodacious husband, bro. I know. Well, this is what happened. I've been I've been in the alien world too long now. I grew the hair. I smoke weed way too much. I'm just it's I'm gone. You can't save. Yeah, no, whatever, whatever, whatever, bro.

The war is just barely over, my dude. OK, thank God I survived the war to come back to you, wife. Well, it's fresh and buried, bro. I hate you all. I hate you all. All right, is there is there actually a theory that you're going to get to that like explains like, you know, like sort of like almost like lower way, like how all these people are seeing all these different craft?

Is that like? Yes, but that's not going to be too much. Right, right. But there is that people. Yes, you fool. Not too much. Much later. Please, Alex, please. We'll get there eventually. I'm just so fascinated by the situation because like conceptualizing it like this, I didn't really realize that it was like a bunch of little things that sort of just all happened at once, that everybody got involved in all together.

I thought it was more like one thing that happened. Tommy Jones was there. He was. He joined the men in black and he had to leave his girlfriend behind. You know, he was going to propose. He was going to propose the flowers and he gave him to the alien instead. It's so sad. It was sad. It was very sad. And but it's OK because they're all in a marble anyway. The end.

Yeah, true. Everything means nothing. We're just toys. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Shout out. Shout out to my man. What's his name? Nasty habits. What else is his name? What? Oingo, Oingo, Danny Elfman. There we go. Danny Elfman. Yeah, Oingo, Oingo.

Anyway, we got to we got to refocus and get to the event, boys. Wait, wait, but all right. So my question for you is sorry, sorry, so everyone understands what's going on. Yes. Leading up to this moment, there are numerous sightings over days, weeks over days. It is post World War Two. We've dropped two atomic weapons. We are in sort of a post post war,

but introducing the space race concept. It's a huge scientist have been recruited to join NASA. Like, I mean, that's pretty much what's going on, right? Like there's much, you know, early NASA was a lot of Nazi rocket scientists. It really was. It totally true. We'll talk about that. Definitely one day paperclip is huge.

But like all of these, all of these things are like happening right now. It's, it's like there's a lot of buzz, mystique on the government level. There's like a mystery. Like there's a lot going on as the world sort of reordering and restructuring itself, because those of you who don't know, also a lot of the countries that exist currently today were formed post World War Two. Yeah, a lot of the world was restructured and reshaped after the end of that war.

It's, it's very different, which is, is I, I find very, very interesting in this UFO context specifically. So that was that. That was July 2nd, the husband and wife saw the object. Brancher heard a bang, and then somebody reported seeing the bright object in the sky descend past the horizon. It's then the next day on the 3rd of July, that due to the rain by before due to the rain the night before, Mac Brazzell actually could not go outside

and check what, what happened in his fields where he heard the noise. So it was the next day that it was able to go outside and inspect his fields. And it was there that he found what he claims is a rain soaked in the rain soaked pasture, pasture past the sheep. He found scattered across the fields extending from the top of a small circle on the hills, ran down the arroyo dried riverbed up another hill and disappeared into the river side, reports say three quarters of a mile long, the 200 foot wide with a gouge starting at the north end, extending four or five hundred

feet toward the other end. There the debris lied, was so thick on the ground that the sheep couldn't actually even cross over it and had to be driven an extra mile to water. That gash in the ground was so big, the sheep couldn't get around it. How the fuck big was the craft? What was going on? Why a weather balloon man? It's just a blether a balloon.

What are you talking about? Weather balloon came down. It just fucking annihilated the ground for three quarters of a mile. What are those things called? Ronsons. How big are they even? Not that big. You can look at it as a person.

Like it's not like I could fit that inside my body. Yeah, it's nuts. Not thinking much of it, however, and being the rancher that he was, Brasso decided to, for the sake of the shit of it, take some of the debris home and actually share it with some of his neighbors, Floyd and Loretta Proctor, the material they tried and they claimed they sat at the table and they played with it, experimented with it. It was fascinating to them.

And they claim no matter how hard they tried and they tried, this material could not be burned or cut. Yeah, I remember. I remember some old TV show or something about this where he was saying he was trying to crinkle it up and it would matter what he would do. He'd like put it back and it would just not be wrinkled again. Yep, it was always perfectly smooth, yet very malleable and flexible. They would try and tear it.

They would try and burn it and nothing would happen. They take scissors to it and a knife to it and they couldn't cut it, but it could still be moved and flexible. That's crazy. Now, imagine if that's what you have. If this is a UFO, that's what the UFOs are made out of. I mean, it would explain how easily they can move. It's like James Cameron shit.

Yeah, really, it's wild. Three days later, Brazzel drove to the drove the 75 miles into Roswell Prosper, a proper proper. He stopped at the office of Sheriff George A. Wilcox and Wilcox suggested that he call the military after he told him of what he found and what happened while they were. So we did. And while they were waiting for the military officers to arrive,

Wilcox ended up dispatching two deputies to the ranch. Frank Joyce said that he called the sheriff and asked if there was anything interesting happening at the office. And Wilcox told him that he should interview Brazzel while he was there. Colonel Blanchard, commander of the 509th bomb group, Major Jesse A. Marcel and C, the counterintelligence officer, Cavett responded to the sheriff's call when he let them know of the crash and the materials that the rancher claimed to have found.

The officers interviewed Brazzel, examined some pieces of the material, and then Blanchard ordered Marcel and Cavett to accompany Brazzel back to the ranch. So basically they show he drove into Roswell with this stuff. He's like, hey, sheriff, oh, this shit happened. And he landed over and he's like, huh, call the military. And so he called the military and while they were there, he called over some of his other officers and they kind of checked out the stuff. And then eventually the military showed up and then decided to take it

and escort him back to the ranch. Would you really take something like that if you were the military? If you didn't immediately know what it was? I that's a good question. I don't know what standard procedure would be. I imagine I mean, you know, there's context to it, right? Like I think during this time period, yeah, you would. Because if you recall that they just came out of

the militarization of the nation, right? Like the reason why America did so well in World War Two is because when the time came that we're like, all right, we're actually going to fight now after Pearl Harbor, like the entire nation was like your cars and our tanks. You're this thing. Like everything you do is for the war effort. America has never been like that since. So I think we don't have the context for why people would trust the military

as much as they did in the forties, which was like, yeah, we're all like, we're all this together and like, good old Uncle Sam will look out for us and we got to watch out for G.I. Joe. Like all the shit we're like contextually that makes sense. Yeah, I'll buy that. Now we're like, no, man, if that it just seems crazy that there would be like a mysterious substance and that an officer would be like, pack it up. You know what I mean?

Like that seems crazy. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I mean, it's tough. It's so tough because like Jesse said, this the late forties, this is just a time of mystery for the government, too. So they're everything they're doing. They're probably just like, put a lid on it, put a lid on it, put a lid on it. But I mean, that's and that's what's messed up is it's it's a time period where the public is like, we love the military are boys.

And, you know, I won't say boys in blue. That's not true. Boys would have a color uniform that wearing, but but at the same time, it's also when the government's doing some really messed up, like secret op shit. Oh, yeah. And the Cold War is kicking off and like it is everyone that, you know, everyone from from Hoover on up, like it is it's it's all bad news.

So it's unfortunate. And it makes it difficult when you want to know things like this shit. So moving forward, Colonel Blanchard, after that, this is after the he he sent back the rancher with his escort guard, I guess, back to 75 miles back to his ranch, Blanchard alerted the military headquarters of what he found or what was brought out acting on the orders from General Clements McMullen passed to him by Colonel Thomas DeBose. They sealed some of that material that the rancher Brazzel had brought

to the sheriff's office. The material was then flown onto Fort Worth Army Airfield, not not the big super fortress one. This is just a piece of material that he brought. It was immediately brought to Fort Worth. There's just a little little proof of concept. Yeah. And remember, he he and the branch or had this material for about four, three or four days.

He played with it for like three or four days. Yeah. Yeah. Him and the neighbors, they were literally playing with it. It's what they did with it. That's the other thing that's weird about this is they're like, we don't know where it is or they didn't know that it existed. Because you'd think if it was like a craft that you lost, that you would just go get it the same day because you probably know exactly where it is, right?

Yeah. If this is like a US test craft with a pilot inside and it gets annihilated, why? Yeah. Why did it take him driving into Roswell or something in there? Well, but there were there is some interesting theories that we'll talk about that they could be another countries. The Cold War, Russia, a test, a test vehicle of theirs that ended up crashing. I heard some crazy theory one time about it being like a hoax from Russia. Yeah, there's there's there's a theory that they literally took a craft.

Well, we'll talk about this in episode three way deeper and why people kind of take it a little seriously. But and they filled it with physically deformed and mentally impaired children and sent it to crash and that hoping that they would mistake the bodies of those physically deformed and mentally impaired children as aliens. That just so fucked up to me. Like, how could that be the plan? Like, how and how is there any way that you can guarantee that whoever sees them

is going to go aliens? I mean, I heard. I heard that potentially the plan, if that was the case, like one of the reasoning behind it was like a lot of a lot of the reasoning behind a lot of the Russia stuff is like it's the Cold War. The Cold War is just starting and it's Russia saying we can do whatever we want on your soil. Yeah. And the just and the justification is America is supposed to be like, we have to cover this up.

We don't want people to know, which, you know, seems very like spy movie, which I think, you know, who knows if that's real or not. But it makes sense in like a noir film kind of way that we have to cover it up. They're on American soil. Yeah, I mean, it's it's an easier way to swallow it if you want to go that angle, for sure. After the military officers left alongside with Brazzel to escort him, the two deputies returned. They remember to remember the sheriff sent out two deputies to check out

the crash site with the debris. Well, they came back after the military left with the rancher, and they reported to have found no debris in the debris field. But they did find a burned area in one of the pastures. The sand had been turned to glass and blackened. It looked as if something. How hot does it have to be to glass sand? And they said it looked as if something circular had touched down.

Now, remember, these are the deputies that he sent the sheriff sent out. Thirty two hundred degrees. That's insane to glass sand. It's in the debris. It's gone. The debris is gone. That's as far as they saw. Yeah. And it's all burned down. The aircraft from Roswell was met at the Fort Worth Army Airfield

by DeBose and Colonel Alan Clark. Clark received the plastic bag with the debris and walked to the command. The beat and walk to the command B 26 to fly it onto Washington, D.C. and General McMullen. So they literally brought brought this thing to Fort Worth, Texas in a baggie in a baggie, handed it off. And now it's being flown to D.C. Immediately to D.C.

Because they're like it's off. Goodbye. Yeah, off to D.C. It goes. No one was like, do you guys have anything silver in disc shape that you guys sent out that we need to worry about? Yeah, there's some secret tech going on. It just doesn't make logical sense to me totally. That they exact that they would do that with like it doesn't.

It honestly, honestly, whether balloon, I don't buy it. But again, we'll talk about more of the evidence anyway. Because the trip back to the ranch was 75 miles and it was so dark. Brasile, Marsil and Cavett, Marsil and Cavett being the two people from the military arrived after dark and they just ended up staying the night. They just spent the night there. Going on to the next day, Monday the 7th, 1940s. Yeah, they stayed at the ranch overnight. Weird. OK. Yeah.

But that means the next day, Brasile was able to take them both out to the field where he found the debris. Marsil and Cavett walked the perimeter of the field and then ranged out looking for more debris or another crash site. Maybe that was in the area, but ended up finding nothing. Finally, they returned and spent the remainder of their day collecting the debris, collecting what debris they still could. They loaded the rear of Marsil's 1942 Buick convertible

as well as the Jeep Carriol driven by Cavett and left the field around dusk. So while they were able to find any debris, what ended up happening is the rancher took a lot of the debris beforehand during those three days and he moved it into his giant barn. And that's where most of it was. So they took what they could out of there and they took it. They loaded up the trucks with what debris they had and they left. The next day, Marsil stopped by his house on the way to the base.

He awakened his wife and son to show them the material he had. They spent an hour examining this thing, scattered all on the kitchen floor. After Marsil collected it all, loaded it into the car and drove to the base. He took a detour with this shit, woke up his family and just was like, hey, guys, want to see something cool? And he just put it out there and then a kid and a wife play with it for an hour. I don't understand. I like what could this have been?

Why do we know that? All the interviews, the people, the investigative journalists over the years hunted these people down and just got stories from them in their older years. What lands that the government doesn't come looking for for almost five days that they immediately fly to Washington, D.C. And also the guy was so excited about that he showed it to his wife. You wouldn't show like a spy craft to your wife. Yeah, you show like a piece of balloon to your wife.

Maybe. I don't know. You don't know what I mean. You like I wouldn't show my wife because I'd be worried that I'd take a bullet for it. You know what I mean? Like a spy. It's like, oh, this is dangerous. I don't know about it's all loosey goosey. Right. Yeah, it feels all very loosey goosey. Right. Nobody seems to be giving a shit.

Everybody's sharing it with everybody else. Everybody's like, look how cool this shit is. But it's right after that, that Marcel and Kavit visited with Blanchard, the other military guy that they've been talking to in his quarters, telling him what they'd seen with the material and so on. Blanchard then called the provost, Marshall, major Edwin easily. Blanchard ordered easily to post guards on the roads around the crash site, denying all access to anyone without official business.

Blanchard also ordered easily to find Brazzel and have him escort the MPs to the site. Blanchard also called the 8th Air Force Headquarters and advised them that Marcel had returned with more debris. The 8th Air Force Headquarters in Fort Worth relayed Blanchard's message up the chain of command alerting the Pentagon about the material. A special flight from Andrews was granted from men coming from the Pentagon. And that's when we can say the government in a weird way

and officially put a lid on Brazzel. It's at that moment they blocked everything up. They stopped people from going, going in, going out, and everybody was beginning to get new orders to change their stories. And that is where we're going to leave Roswell Part One off. What in the hell, man? It just doesn't feel. I don't I don't hear it and feel like, oh, this is nothing.

Like a lot. Sometimes you read about a thing and you're like, this is definitely an interesting little story. But like if I'm thinking about this, it's easily made up by one guy. You know, this doesn't have that that tang to it. The fun stuff doesn't even happen in yet, boys. I'm just saying the issue with with Roswell, as far as I can see, is that there have been so many interviews

conducted over years and years and years and years that the story we have now is like the extrapolation of all those interviews put together. Yes, it's very much like taking different puzzle pieces and just trying to. And that's why there's parts of it that you're like, wait, what? Wait, what? Because there are certain things that don't make sense across the board.

But it's because it's been what? Seventies, sixty years now, something around those lines. Yeah, and just past the anniversary of Roswell, actually, a few days ago. And yeah, it's one of those things where so many people have added to the story or had deathbed confessions or said different things that it there's a lot of convolution as well. I don't know. I mean, there are some things where I'm like, oh, well,

that could totally be a real thing. But at the same time, I'm like, this guy is clearly a plant, right? There's like weird things in this story that do not check out. And it is the deeper we get, the more it's like, wait a minute, what? What is this? Well, we're going to talk like I'll give you a peek, a peek in the next episode. We're going to really talk heavily about the wreckage and the material itself. And apparently the claims of symbols that were seen along the edges of it.

All that stuff is in Wackytown. But we'll talk a little bit more about that, because we're going to learn about the M.J. 12 and all that next episode. And let's take a minute to realize the importance of the fact that at its core, what Roswell is saying is that if if if these are aliens, if big Jesse, if if these are aliens. The story here is that post atomic weapon usage. Aliens started to appear on Earth as like, we know you guys are about to

enter a new age. We're here to do this whole like, make sure you're on the up and up. But aliens that can travel across however you think aliens travel, dimensions or space and time or whatever, they just like crash. Like an alien ship just crash. Like it seems insane. Like there's so much of this. An alien ship.

They imagine like we made it across the galaxy and we crashed in a field. Well, Jesse, what if I told you? That it didn't necessarily crash by malfunctioning. Oh, shit. But we were tracking it and shot it down out of the sky. Oh, shit. Then why aren't we destroyed? Why aren't we as a world destroyed?

Well, we'll talk about that because unless. Oh, my God, this is all the matrix. But they did destroy it. I mean, honestly, what if we mean so very little? Like we're just like an ant. It's like an ant biting us. Is that the plot of Saints Row? Doesn't that happen?

Actually, yes. Four. We're like aliens and made. And that is the plot of Saints Row four. Yeah, aliens and made disclosure has been happening in all mediums of entertainment. Everybody, I hope you enjoyed part one of Roswell. I am so excited to dive into this three or four parter. I don't know what it's going to be, but this has been I'm so excited to keep going.

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They're not a paranormal podcast. There is not. But we do crack into the top 50 true crime podcasts regularly as well. We should be number one paranormal podcast. There's no paranormal like this. They say it's not real because I tend to agree. So we're comedy. We're comedy podcast.

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