Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 60 - The Roswell Incident - Part 2

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

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to keep us rolling. Yeah, it's, these episodes are a direct result of just being able to pour my life into this thing. So we're gonna dive back into Roswell, the Roswell Instant episode, the series of episodes rather, part two. Now, where we last left off, boys, we'll just get right into it.

We covered the first few weeks that led up to the crash. It crashing into the ranch and the bizarre handing off of materials from the ranch to the army that then was flown off. The army had established a perimeter around the ranch at this point and nobody at all was allowed in any longer. But it was a small town

and this was not Roswell proper, remind you. Roswell just kind of inherited the lore of the crash because it was the closest kind of quote unquote big city. Let me, let's be real, Roswell ain't a big city. And a lot of these cities that they're like, yeah, go, it's like when you go to air 51 and they say along the way, like, go stop at the little alien and go like, go to these, that is a town with one building

and like three mobile homes and that's it. It is not a town. It's more like, it's more like Roswell is the only like city at all, like any sort of anything. Yeah. And in today's episode is going to be a prime example of how not big Roswell actually is. However, as we did talk about in the first episode too,

there was a second crash and that is going to be kind of the focus of today's episode. But we got to wrap up the first crash. We're only at the end of the day of the July 8th at this point, all of that stuff that we covered at the end, the end half of Roswell episode one was all in one day. We got to wrap that day up and move on to the next day

where, where crash two is the focus. But focusing on crash one. Wait, pause, pause. Did you say crash two? Crash two, sir. Did you not know there was a second crash? I don't know that I didn't know that. I don't know that I didn't know that.

I figured, you know. Basically Roswell's in the middle and the first crash was to the east of Roswell on the ranch and the second crash was to the west of Roswell over near San Augustine, which we'll talk about. There's there's so many other questions to me. OK, yeah, yeah, let's keep going. Let's keep going.

But with the first crash, we're in a small town. Like I said, we just said Roswell's a small town. So the sheriff got curious again and he for the second time sent out his deputies to the ranch to see if they could find anything else, whether it be wreckage or take a look at the site again or just try to piece together what the hell was going on by the time they got there. The military was already there.

They were locked down and they were just turned away. It's just no reason for that unless this is something for a weather balloon crash. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like what they say it is versus their response. Like it's the it's the big takeaway from the last episode for me. Yeah, for sure. And we're going to we're going to kind of really nail that in here.

So unsurprisingly, the gentleman, the story doesn't end there. And as is expected, it only gets way, way weirder as we go into the second crash site west of the first near San San Augustine. The next day with the help of Brazl, which remind me, remember, was the rancher. They were actually able to locate the second site because he knew the land rather well.

So with his help, him and the army, the military folk were actually able to find the second site rather quickly the next day. They left in the early morning as the sun was coming up because they ran out of time in the first day to go find it. They weren't actually able to find it first, however, as a bunch of civilians stumbled across the second site before the army got there.

And that's going to be the focus as we begin. Three separate groups of civilians stumbled across the second crash site before the military got there. The first group was a family, the Andersons. They were actually out hunting for Moss agate, rock hunting, basically, when they came across this crash disc, they say, even alleging that they found alien crew still alive, but were unable to communicate with it.

The second group was a group of student archaeologists who were out in the desert studying cliff dwellings only just a few miles out. The night prior, they had actually seen the giant fiery meteor in the sky and the next day, they simply wanted to go see if they could find the meteor to study it. Instead, they found a crashed disc. The third was just a single person, Barney Barnett,

who was literally just out surveying for irrigation purposes when he stumbled across the disc because he heard a commotion. And none of them. We're going to go into detail now of each of those groups and counters. OK, I was going to say, I didn't want to jump in until we were going to. All right, we're not done yet. Just I was just going to say, they just passed each other like ships in the night. No, they did not.

OK, let's talk. So the first ones were starting out with where the Andersons, like I said, they were kind of out rock hunting, just looking for Moss agate, which I don't actually know what that looks like, but in my mind, it's green. But I didn't look it up. This seems like a perfect thing for you, right? It seemed like a World of Warcraft thing. It definitely it definitely is in in WoW.

It is like a little it's a little green gem shape. Yeah. So I know that. I don't know what it looks like in real life, but I know exactly what it is. If I'm going to go to the internet and type it in right now, I was like, it just reminds me of that. It just reminds me of WoW. And I was like, OK, it is definitely an it's an item that you can get in WoW for jewel crafting.

Yeah, it's just a little green gem. Absolutely. Yeah, perfect. Link it to me, the WoW version. Yeah, I'll link it to you right now because I love the WoW version. The WoW version of this. Look at this. Look at this. All you do that. Look at that. They were out rock hunting as you do out in New Mexico, I guess.

And the group were out wandering around, assuming I assuming, like I said, they were just kind of picking up rocks and be like, yes, good. And took it and left. But eventually they turned a corner out out in Arroyo and were suddenly greeted with what I can only define as my personal crash ship wet dream scenario as a human being. If I turned the corner and I was describe it, listen to this. Listen to this. OK, you got to listen to this.

There, dug into the ground, tilted at an unnatural angle against a tree. Was me. Was I supposedly naked? Yeah, I was there. Was real. Was a supposed real physical crashed flying saucer. Gerald Anderson, the younger the younger sons, his father told him to stay back as he and the older boys approached, leaving maybe 50 or so feet between the two of the crash site and the little boy. There had been a large gouge in the earth where the ship had clearly

careened through with trees knocked over along the way. Small fires were still crackling nearby. Now, keep in mind, this had crashed the night prior or the day prior. Then, as the older brother got close, he simply exclaimed and I sincerely quote, this is not a joke. And I'm just going to go Southern drawl here. Oh, no, my apologies in advance. That's a goddamn spaceship.

Them's Martians. That's that's Mathis in his bedroom at night. He's outing it as he's sleeping. This is. I do. Oh, so it's Martians, Martians. Them's Martians, Martians there knew the idea of Martians. Clearly in some way, I don't know when aliens became public, like very popular public knowledge, but this is 1947

to give you an idea of the year. That is a good research point. When did when was the first like a well, War of the Worlds was when? That's an excellent question. The broadcast. Yeah. H.D. Wells, when did you do that? War of the Worlds, H.D. Wells.

The book came out in 1897. The Orson Wells version is. War of the Worlds, 1953. So that seems all right. But if the originals like from the 1800s, aliens are not a foreign concept. No, that's not right. It was before that. That's the movie.

The radio drama. Yeah. Yeah. What's the radio drama? I need to look this up. This is 38. It's 38. 1938. Yeah, I would have. I mean, here's the thing. There's a lot of debate about whether the Orson Wells things like the radio drama actually was as world ending as people thought.

Yeah. But it still doesn't matter. It was out there in the ether. So all right. I mean, I guess you can go with preconceived notions of what aliens are. You know, I'm going to put it out there that maybe he saw a crash and it looked otherworldly and he was like aliens and it might not have been. But who knows, please continue. A saucer from another world, just like the Orson Wells cereal.

As he pointed out and exclaimed them's Martians, he pointed out three of the saucers crew members that were on the ground. Two of them were splayed out stomach first on the ground. Well, there's the captain. That one, there's a navigator. I'm not there about that. There's the he's the custodian. Which one shlorts?

I think they are all shlopers. Like I feel like that's like something you do. Like that's like fun when you go out as an alien. You just shlort. It's a night of shlort. It's like when you eat the heart when you like go tuna fishing, but it's just like the alien version. It's not like eating the worm when you like tequila or whatever it is. Yeah, same exact thing.

Nothing's like eating the worm when you tequila. Please don't you shouldn't do that, by the way. It's just never done it. Shouldn't do it. It's not like it doesn't feel good. It's not hype. That's a little party tip for me to use somebody who's done everything. There is. Yeah, don't get conned into that.

But you know, my last pre you know, my last pre coronavirus memory is being in Boston on stage, squirting lemon juice into my eyes or whatever the hell I was doing. Oh, my God. That was the last thing we did was a live show. I'll never forget that. Oh, wow. So I've done it all.

I've done all the stupid shit you could do while you're drinking. Trust me. Don't don't eat the schlorp. Well, the the two of you made me lose my place. The ones on the ground were not actually moving, while the one up against the tree was seemingly breathing erratically. Oh, my God, me and clear distress. So fucked up.

As they approached the bodies cautiously, they saw nearby a fourth one. Hiding in the bushes, less injured than the ones on the ground. And it looked as though it had been performing first aid on the downed crew. But when the family approached, it's scooted back, staying away from them. Most of the family went to inspect the ship. But the father and uncle Ted tried to communicate with the one against the tree, speaking English and Spanish to it. It did nothing.

And when they would raise their hand as if to show no harm, it would raise its hand back in a defensive manner. One would consider flinching. Eventually, it would understand that they wouldn't hurt it. And the father was able to place his hand on its shoulder in a comforting way. What? What a family. What a bold claim. Oh, my God.

Hey, man, the family continued to investigate the saucer, noting that even in the July, New Mexico, they didn't go to the one that was in the bushes. They when they approached it, backed up, they kept backing away. So they didn't like chase after it. All right, screw it. Let's go to the one that's injured by the tree. Yeah, well, they were trying to talk to the one that couldn't move. All right. He was dying in front of them. Yeah. Yeah. OK.

It was easier. I mean, yeah, it's not going anywhere. Yeah. The family, the rest of the family, the older brothers and whatnot, they were still looking at the ship at this point. And they noted that even in the July, New Mexico heat, the ship itself was cold to the touch. So it wasn't it wasn't like absorbing light, basically.

Like it wasn't absorbing the heat of the sun and whatnot. The ship also had a huge gas in it, about 10 free feet from top to bottom and about three feet wide, where with its widest point being in the center. So as it kind of goes down, it kind of goes into like an oval shaped gas with the widest point being in the middle. They also note that there was a nasty smell of something akin to rubbing alcohol or acetone when they were there. OK, they were kind of picking up those smells.

Now, this is where we kind of leave the Andersons. This alone, if this was the only claim, would be kind of weird and suspect if that's what it was, but it's not. It is at this point in the events that six others, Dr. Bursk, Bisk, Busskirk and five archaeology students rounded their way there. Can you imagine? Can you imagine being out? I think you're going to find rocks and you're going to study caves

and you turn a corner with your doctor teacher and there's an alien with like some family that's rock hunting, like trying to poke the alien meal. Hello, can you understand me? And they're both like you were there and I was there like both of them. Yeah, both independent groups. Yes, that's crazy. They were equally surprised and they joined the family in their attempts to communicate with the alien.

They then began to use German and sign language, which is what the professor was able to bring to the table. How many people is this total? So that is a total now of 11. OK, five family members, six members of the of the of the study. And then one more will be around to make 12 total. So they try to speak with it using German and sign language. However, they also failed in their attempts.

It did not respond. One other person, one other person then is noted to join the group. Now, the story from the group of archaeologists and the family group don't name this person. So it's believed to be the guy who said who's claimed he joined them and said he was out there for irrigation, but we cannot confirm that one way or another. But he was out there checking and surveying the area for irrigation,

which sounds like a really bizarre thing to do by yourself in the New Mexico desert, but whatever. And there's no threads between these people, like Kevin Bacon openly, not openly. But again, you know, Roswell's small. There's, you know, it's an area where people kind of know one another. So it wouldn't be surprising if they they still knew each other and passing, you know, in that town or have heard of each other or heard of the professor with the archaeologist students or something along those lines.

OK, but there's no there's no like admittance of like we knew each other prior. There was no connection between them. But this is one of those things that at the time they all said we're here or. Yes. All right, that's crazy. However, eventually the funds got to stop and mom's going to show up to put toys away and play time with the ship. And the aliens came to an abrupt halt when the wheels of the army came rolling up on them through the desert.

First to note, the army was fucking horrified when they arrived with this many civilians around. They were upset and it seems like the army went to panic mode instantly as they arrived and they popped out of their vehicles and they quickly rounded up all 12 people. They were very quickly, sternly and angrily informed that they had to come across something that was important to the to the national security of the nation and the country, and they were to never once mention this again

that the government was powerful and could simply discover where they lived if any of them had opened their mouths afterward. They immediately went to threatening them. Why not just like serve them with like an NDA? Good question. I always think about that in this group of army. Officer Marcel, who is somebody we talked about in episode one, is here. He's here and was was at this point. Officer Marcel was told he would be the one taking the wreckage to the airfield.

And from there, he went from here. Our story is going to jump slightly. Our time with that group of civilians kind of ends abruptly and we're going to move now over to the plane. The wreckage from the secondary crash is brought to the plane used to fly the wreckage of the second site. Sergeant Robert Porter was a member of the flight crew for that crash and recalls what they brought onto the plane.

A triangle package, maybe two feet long and wrapped in brown paper, was brought on board while the other three pieces of cheese, yeah, it's a giant piece of two feet cheese. While the other three packages were about shoebox size and like in like the bigger piece, it was also wrapped up. Porter noted that it seemed like there was nothing in the boxes as though the weight of them was empty. Yeah. Empty. Yeah, not the same plane, though, right? Not the huge all these.

No, this is a different flight. This is not the first crash site. The first crash stuff took off the day before. Right. So they didn't come back with the same plane. They came back with an appropriate ship, appropriately sized plane. Still 509th, still using the 509th. But this is a different plane than before. Right. Things only got more difficult and sloppy from the government

as we move on from here, as they're in clear panic mode. You can kind of consider this like a crisis and they're triaging as fast as they can. Like cover up lives. Yeah. So officer, like for an example, officer Marcel had arrived at General Raimi's office, another one we talked about in episode one, with some of the debris from the second site and interested in it. The general had been curious where it had been found.

So leaving the material in the other room, General Raimi took officer Marcel to the map room so that officer Marcel could show him the location of the crash exactly on the map. Because remember, only a few people had just gotten there. It took the rancher, Brazzel and bringing them there. So they did not know where it was when they when he was satisfied and he understood where the crash was, they returned to the other room only to find that the debris was completely gone

and it was replaced with a torn up weather balloon. Huh. All the while, Brazzel, the rancher, was brought back with them to the Army base in Roswell, but he was not told to stick close any longer. And so Brazzel wandered off into Roswell. Like I said, nobody told him to stick close any longer. And he just left. He just like once they went back, every all the army went into their little official areas

and usually they're like, you're going to stay here, wait for us. Nobody said anything to him. So he left and just went into Roswell. He had a long day and he was just going out to get a walk, leave his head, just get out. So how. So what do you mean, replaced exactly? How does that like what what literally happened there? They we don't know.

Like they just spirited the ones away and then brought back like so they. So yeah, they left the room with the debris in the General Ramey's office. They left it there. And then when they came back to General Ramey's office, the debris was gone and it was replaced with a torn up weather balloon. Like they just like bait and switched it to be like it was just gone. When they get it was when it was gone, it would just been swat.

Their attitude was just like, yeah, that was what was always there was the weather balloon. Well, we're going to what happens next is what we all kind of know is is what happens next. Yeah. This part, I think, is the part that like the most like reenactments I've seen on TV and stuff is like after this has happened. Yeah. Yes, correct. So all like I said, all the while, Brazzel had wandered off. According to him, nobody had told me to stick close any longer.

And after such a long day of helping them find the second crash site, bringing everything back and ending up in Roswell, he decided to leave and explore Roswell, where he would eventually bump into a journalist from the KGFL local radio station. Brazzel either stupidly, naively or bravely ended up telling the story to Whitemore, who was the journalist who promptly brought him right to the radio station. So we kind of bumped into him, maybe popped into a bar, had a conversation with him and just was like, oh, shit, crazy shit just happened, dude.

Like, let me tell you about it. And he told him Whitemore then took him to the radio station, where another reporter at the station with Whitemore took a wired recorder and interviewed Brazzel, who told them the whole story from front to back, recorded after getting everything on record in true spy fashion. Whitemore was then worried that all of this could get Brazzel in trouble or worse and then decided to have Brazzel stay the night at his house to keep him out of the hands of the military.

So how far, how much time has passed now since he. This is the second day. This is literally the end of the second day after the crash was was. So yesterday, them, their aliens next day, immediately following that he went on the radio. No, say he'd go on the radio. He was just brought to the radio station and interviewed on a wired recorder. OK, so it's a tape on the same night of crash, too.

OK, yeah, this didn't get put out. It was just recorded on a wired recorder. Interesting. Since that. And like I said, Whitemore got nervous and had invited Brazzel to his place and he's to stay the night. He accepted. Now, during this time, warrant officer, the time being the night where where Brazzel is out, warrant officer Irving Newton was ordered

from the weather station to General Rami's office. This, ladies and gentlemen, is when the now famous picture of the weather balloon being held up happened of the tattered remains of that balloon. That's General Rami's office, where that picture is being taken. One such balloon, this balloon that's caused two separate crash sites and debris over three quarters of a square mile. Newton, in front of those reporters, identified the wreckage being shown in front of us like a stage in a play.

Like and we accepted it and he identified it as a wrong target balloon. They snapped a picture of him and then sent him back to his regular duties at the weather station. Job well done. He was no longer needed. Now, having the wreckage publicly identified, General Rami announced to the world that his officers were simply bamboozled by the weather balloons like the goons that they were.

And if this is to be believed during this announcement, Blanchard and his staff arrived at the ranch and were taken to the second crash site where the bodies were covered by a tarp and recovered. A second trip with the different officers to recover the bodies. This was happening while the picture was being a snapped in the and the reporters were taken. It almost sounds like the same thing is happening twice in two different areas at the same time, almost.

Well, there was no bodies in the first crash site. That's all right. Like that's a difference. But the government's mobilizing, going out, getting these things, locking it down in both cases. It's crazy. This might sound be bizarre and honestly, it's kind of hard to believe. But there's a little bit of actual a little bit more of you can't call it actual evidence because everything remembers coming from people's interviews

and whatnot, but there's a little bit more that we can kind of tease out to maybe say something was going on, whether it was alien bodies. Soviet soldiers or whatever you want to believe. Seattle and Roswell, a local mortician by the name of Glenn Davis, started getting weird phone calls later that night. Weird for a few reasons. The first being they were coming from the Army Base Hospital, asking very specific questions about how best to preserve tissue,

including asking what specific chemicals did to tissue. While he couldn't confirm anything, his personal belief at the time was he believed that there had been a fatal crash at the Army Base and they needed a little bit of quick help. Now that the public had been properly dissuaded from the idea of something secret happening, the movement of the remaining bits and pieces of the wreckage had begun. An unscheduled flight came in from Bowling Field in D.C. Lewis Rickett transferred a sealed box with some wreckage in it.

All the while, Melvin Brown, member of the Squadron K 509th Bomb Group, had been instructed to be in the rear of the truck at the second crash site. And was expressly told not to look under the tarp that he was guarding. But people are curious lot and when everyone's backs were turned, he took a quick look to find the bodies of the crew underneath the tarp. Basically, he says he saw alien bodies. The truck went from the second crash site and transported those bodies to the hospital for examination by Dr. Jesse Johnson,

who who proceeded to pronounce them dead and immediately began taking beginning procedures at working on the bodies. Back outside of the base, however, the local mortician, Mr. Davis, under the impression that there might be an emergency at the base after the calls and having helped them in the past, drove out there to see if he could help the Army in any way. And having helped them in the past, the MP at the gate simply waved him through without even questioning as to why he had arrived.

He drove directly to the hospital in the base and went inside. But he did not get far before a nurse saw and stopped him, warning him to get out right now, or he could be in serious trouble. Before getting anywhere, though, two MPs rounded the corner, saw him with the nurse and literally physically picked him up and threw him out of the hospital. As the night came to an end, a guard at the gate also took note that there was a couple bizarre things happening.

One, a truck carrying dry dry ice entered the base and was and he was surprised by the late delivery. The bodies were also then sealed into long coffin-like crates, 15 feet by three feet by four feet, and the crate was moved to a hangar. It was left there, spotlights dancing on it all night while MP stood guard. They never went anywhere near it. And that finishes July 8th, 1947, the second day after the event.

We now move into July 9th, Wednesday, I think 37 answers. I hope I can give you an answer. You can't because it doesn't make all of that. There's a lot to it that I'm like, OK, yeah. All right, I understand that that seems weird and that's strange. The one thing out of everything you said that still sticks me is the fact that they like got some evidence, left the room, came back and it was different

evidence and they were like, all right, turns out it's this instead. That to me. So my assumption is that I don't get the military is there some details missing or maybe because I guess like they'd walk in, they'd be confused. And then before the press event, they were either informed or they already knew or the general already knew it was going to happen. Maybe I guess I don't know. It just seems weird to me. It's super frigging weird.

Yeah, super. It's it reminds it's one of those things that like, you know, how sometimes in life something weird happens, you're like, well, that's fishy. And every part of your instinct tells you that's wrong. And then only years later, do you discover how right you were to not to like to question that thing? This is that for me. I'm like, that doesn't seem like details out there that I just don't have. I understand.

I just like that one moment sticks out like a sore thumb. Like that doesn't seem seems like what you would say if you were trying to lie through your teeth. Yes, I'm with you. It there's there's all kinds of parts of the story that are just like me personally. Like, that's weird. I don't get it. Right. It doesn't make any sense. But the way the government acts in general, like, do they deny they did any of these things?

Of course, they say they we that we did not go out. It was a balloon, dude. It was a weather. What I mean is, like, they don't deny that they rolled up immediately with a group, scooped everything into an airplane and flew to Washington, D.C. That's like, yeah, there's no denial of any of that stuff. That's like to do that. But remember, if it's it could be just something of like a national security in that it could be just foreign technology

from like another country. But even then, like, it's at the military base. Like, it's not like they were fighting these guys. And like, you know, like, it's not like a new disco. If it's something that they knew about, it's not like something that Washington didn't know about. I don't know why it needs to go immediately to Washington. And so that's why that's that that's the suspect part is that it's getting flown

out instantly and like all this weird stuff. So we're going to push on because more weird stuff continues. July 9th, 1947, as hoped the next morning, the newspapers had corrected the headlines, now claiming that the saucer story from before was nothing more than a weather balloon misidentified. All while Brazzel was still hiding with Whitemore and Roswell, while Whitemore senior was worried about protecting the exclusive nature of the story. This father lived with him and he was all he was focusing

on the cash that could be made on the story. On the base, Robert Smith of the First Air Transport Unit said that began loading crates into C-54s early in the morning. But something was really bizarre about the crates themselves. Not the size, but that they were so big, but weighed as if nothing was in them. A second person completely separate now saying the same thing. Great military crates that feel felt as though there was nothing in them. They mean that alone.

Like if we wanted to start talking like alien stuff, if we just want to take again with a giant piece of salt in the world, that it was an actual alien crash, it was an actual alien ship. The fact that it was cold to the touch and that it weighs nothing is fascinating. It would explain why they can move so quickly if the UFOs that we're seeing are true like our actual like physical aliens in our atmosphere. And we can never figure out why they move. But if the if the craft that they're on is like light as hell.

I mean, who knows? It's fascinating. I don't know. I just I don't know. It's just weird. Like the the nebulous nature of how much stuff they're moving around. It just seems so weird to me, too. Like if it was a weather balloon, why would it need to be crates? Like if it was if it was a spaceship, where did that spaceship go? I really don't think it was a rain, a weather balloon at the very least.

Like whether it was technology from an enemy country, whatever, a their own secret technology they fucked up and in crashed, whatever it is, I genuinely think there's so many other better explanations than a weather balloon. Right. But it worked for the time because of the kind of way that the public mindset was. And there wasn't a lot of easily accessible information. And most people probably didn't know what a weather balloon looked like at that point. And who knows?

So I don't know. It's just not meanwhile. Yeah. So they weighed like nothing and they actually loaded three separate aircraft all headed to Kirtland and then to Los Alamos. So these are three separate craft being loaded with with crates flying to two separate areas or flying to one area and into like first to one place and the other. Meanwhile, the military, the military realized

Brazzel had been missing and decided it was time to go on and him and hunt him down in Roswell. It didn't take long before they found him. And this time took steps to ensure his security with them. First, they entered the private residence of Mr. Whitemore without a warrant confiscating the wire recording from the media, which is a which, if true, is a violation of the First Amendment. Now, this is one of those things as well.

We're like, oh, OK, he had a physical recording. Sweet, where is it? Well, the his excuse and the reason it didn't go public is because he said the army busted in and literally just took it from him. It is a very convenient excuse and one that's hard to say because the army will never acknowledge or whatever. But even if they deny, you know, they won't nobody will believe them. Huh.

Furthermore, Brazzel was then detained and brought to the base for around five days, unable to contact anyone. What? Yes. Normally, he was kept at the RAF of RAF and questioned and they normally would just question him or keep him there and send him out. But this time he was kept there and they questioned him relentlessly for days. The same questions over and over who he told what he saw, where he was.

And he was also forced to undergo a full army physical examination cavity search. Well, they would interrupt his sleep and keep him up for all random hours of the night, continuing with the intense in its investigation and questions. Why do you want to say something, Alex? No, I just mean, like, why did they do that? He went away. He disappeared for a day and he didn't know he wasn't supposed to. And if they if he saw a ton of stuff, so they were just like punishing him

anybody torturing him, not punching him, punishing, keeping him up. Oh, yeah, punishing, like very much interrogation, like extreme interrogation tactics. That's crazy. I don't. It's very bizarre. I don't understand, though, but OK. Yeah, me either. I don't understand why they would do that.

It doesn't make any sense. But but if they believe he gave the secret information and gave it to civilians, they need to figure out who it is. And he's like, I told nobody or I don't know. It doesn't make again, a lot of this is just bizarre. And it just feels like the army panicking from the minute they walked, they discovered these crashes. It just feels like constant panic responses to everything threaten people,

quarantine them off, grab them interrogated for five days. It's not kept by the books. It's weird. After those five days and they were done with him, they took him into town where he was brought directly to the Roswell Daily Record. There, that's where he changed his story, telling them that instead of finding what he said, he found the wreckage and the weirdness of it all,

that he'd found a balloon on June 14th and hadn't taken it into the city until three weeks later because he had no phone and no radio. Brazile also said in the new statement that he'd found whether balloons occasionally and with that knowledge, he can actually identify it as such now that he saw it for a longer period. So now that he's programmed like it like the idea is that they programmed him and he came out speaking their story, threatened him,

you know, interrogated him and then told him he was going to change his story. OK, that's what they did. They brought him there, forced him to change his story. If this, you know, is to be believed, and then that's what they that's all. Again, remember, they they're also he's also saying he found on June 14th, which isn't true. He found it only six days prior to bringing it in, not three weeks. And not like a fucking month, so kind of bizarre.

But it makes sense if you think of the contacts of the trying to disconnect the sightings and the crowd, the weird meteor crash that happened, right? Because if you line up the timeline and be like, well, the weather balloon crashed five days ago, it caused this huge meteor thing. Nobody's going to be it's not going to make any sense. But if you say three weeks ago, you can distance yourself and then just say what was in the sky was simply just a meteor and nothing more. It's frustrating because it's another one of those things like.

Oh, well, if you believe what they say, the government has essentially eliminated all evidence of any other possible outcome. And so it's like, I don't know, it seems weird, but I don't I won't know unless I like read some like really deep like I go and look at all. I can give you the three books that we went through if you want to go and read it and read the stuff, man, this crazy stuff. It's insane.

After he changed the story or while that was happening, KGFL, the radio station, KGFL got a call telling them to not play anything related to the crash, interview or otherwise under threat of them losing their broadcasting license. The following day, an officer from the base swept through the entirety of Roswell, picking up copies of the original press release and any other signs of the original reports. Frank Joyce confirmed this.

He was another person that worked at KGFL by saying that somebody came into KGFL and heavily search the radio station. Anything that was related to the story or suspected to be was taken. So more cleanup, basically. I think it's like it's like X files. Like this is like, you know, I don't there's no way to prove this. It's so it's so there's no. Now, the mortician the next day was also curious

as to why he was so violently removed from the place because he had again worked with the army before and was on good terms with them. So Mr. Dan Glenn met up with the nurse from the previous day. She described why there was such a fuss at the base. She went on to describe the bodies that were transported from the crash sites and also went on to describe a horrible smell that the bodies emitted. That was so goddamn bad that they the closest they could get was about 100 feet without dry heaving and retching.

Even the doctors who were used to this sort of thing were throwing up by being anywhere near it. Now, it might the ammonia and acetone smell from when they when the family found the bodies. That might be what's being happening, but at least them being outside, I was able to diffuse enough where there was no gagging whatsoever. How do we know what the what the mortician saw?

The mortician saw nothing. Well, I mean, like, how do we have his account? He gave his account and the only and the only and this is the frustrating part as well, the only actual saying beyond deathbed confessions of these bodies is this nurse. We have no pictures. We have no other confessions. The mortician and the nurse are a prime source for where

quote unquote confirmation of the bodies come from. So he said this on his deathbed or no, I don't I couldn't. No, no, no, I'm saying beyond like government deathbed confessions. The only confession we had before that was just the local mortician and this nurse. It's just the closer that that report was taken to let me specify. We can't even confirm the nurse is real. Right. Right. All this just comes from the mortician. Right. So depending on what year that was,

it lends more or less credence to that story. Because if he if he took that account in 1975, for example. Yeah, I can give you a quick answer on that. I believe I'm interested to know with specifically him because the fact that he's just like a guy who is like I saw the bodies and then same thing with the three separate groups that saw them at the crash site. I'm like, when like, when did you guys get together and like talk about that? Because the idea that three groups of strangers met up one night and decided to hope.

I got your answer right here. So here's here's where you can kind of take this for a piece of how you will. Yeah. Nineteen ninety two. OK, so the mortician that was there, he didn't report on it till almost 40 years later or 15 years later. He also wrote a book. Yeah. Uh huh. Interesting.

So that's why that's I'm saying like our only that's why I say you can. It's like this is the frustrating part. The only real like confirmation that bodies were in the hospital that night and something was going on is the mortician and what he was told by this an unidentified nurse. But yeah, but it's also interesting that there were three groups of people that ostensibly saw these bodies out in the wild when they were crashed. You know, yeah, there's just still weirdness. Yes.

Those guys, I would spend a whole night just like I would I would do five episodes just on them just on those people. Yeah, like did they meet up in the middle of the night? Like if it's if if this is a hoax, if they just decided like they needed to say this, the idea that they just met up somewhere one night when they were out on the trail and they were like, well, look at all of us out here. How did we get here? And they're like and they're like, well, we might as well make up an alien crash.

Like, I mean, yeah, it's weird. It doesn't it's bizarre. It just doesn't it just doesn't ring true to me either way. Like the fake version of the story, like the version that the government is saying doesn't ring true and the none of that's that's the other thing. None of the versions of the story that we have from official sources, from witness sources, each version is equally unbelievable in different ways. And that's why.

Go for it. It just seems like there's empirical evidence for all the stories, too. Like you can like point to a bit. Yeah, point to like a piece of evidence that contradicts another like official story. And that's why this there's a terminology for this. I want to say it's like Roswell. Roswell, not degeneracy, Roswell, something. It's the Roswells.

I'm going to look this up like a case study or something. Roswellian syndrome is what it's called. OK, OK. Roswellian syndrome is the idea that there are five distinct stages of the myth making process and they include the incident, the debunking of the incidents, the submergence or trying to keep down the incident, the mythologizing of what happens and then the reemergence and then media bandwagon, right?

And it happens again and again and again in all these situations, especially during UFOs, when like an incident happens, someone says this happened and then people poo poo it and then everyone like, you know, it doesn't mean anything. And then it slowly over time, this mythology builds and builds and builds and builds. And because there's so many, you know, like in this case with Roswell, the government gave how many explanations, like a ton of different explanations, kept switching their minds and it allowed the conspiracy to sink in.

And eventually now it is to the point where it's so common that they made a TV show years ago that was called Roswell and it was about love, love aliens. Yeah, two of them. And so, you know, so how on purpose is this done by the government? Well, on purpose to muddle it is, is this a great question? I do have a question. I don't know. Do we mention this in the first episode because I was looking up

while we're talking, I was like, what was the vibe in the country? Because the beginning of this one, I was like, when that dude showed up, he's like saucers. Oh, yeah, we did. We did talk a little bit about it, but feel free to rehash. No, I just, so I went online and I was like, what was happening in 1947? And apparently now you can take this either way. This clearly is information that if you want to believe,

you will believe aliens were around. But starting in on July 3rd, 1947, flying discs failed to store air forces. This is an article from Washington. They were seeing flying discs whizzing 1,200 miles above the Western United States. You know, the government didn't do anything. People were noticing them. They were saying these discs are out there.

Then on July 6th, they have wash tubs. Eight flying saucers described as more like wash tubs. And each about the size of a five room house reported today. And so that's another story. Yeah, then you have another story that's just sore over New York now seen a loft in all colors. And so this is another story about flying saucers above New York. And then there's a thing here.

It says Australia is talking about flying saucers as well. Then you go down another one disc near bomb test site. Just a weather balloon. And then you have this huge thing there. And this is another article. And then you have another one, right? You have all like there's so many articles happening around this time period. And so you don't, you know, what?

So remember, yeah, we talked. So I focus simply on the sightings that were happening around New Mexico at the time. This all remember July 3rd. All this is happening at the time right leading up to the crash. And this was happening across the nation. Yeah, there was like alien fever. So I could understand why I'd be like aliens.

Like I get it. And the question becomes then is the alien fever. What caused them to think they saw aliens instead of, you know, human wreckage? Or were they really aliens? There were some aliens around. Yeah. Yeah. That's the big thing. If you I want to go down this path just for a little bit and give kind of an idea. Because in episode three, I'd really like what we're going to try and do is cover

MJ, the MJ 12, the Majestic 12, because you kind of have to understand that big deal. But if you were to believe and we talked about this in for episode one, just around this time, like we said, nukes were new. We figured out how to split the atom literally two years before. Literally. Two years before is the first time that you thought people reason. Yeah, there's a reason for intergalactic intelligence is to take an eye on a primitive species because a bunch of monkeys just learned how to split a microscopic atom.

And now they're all around. Now, if you want to go further down that alien row and you start learning to think about the conspiracies, this is around the time, according to some who may believe this, that the MJ 12, Eisenhower and all them made their first deal with the grays. So these flying saucers, the crashed ones, the aliens on the ground, these are all grays and grays are the ones that the US government made their real first deal with.

The deal basically was you can object people X number of people a year. You can't we were basically trying not to panic the public. You can have X number of people a solar cycle where everyone fucking, you know, identified very via contract. And and we and they will then give us some technology. Now, you can also go further and say, this is where some people believe the internet actually came from wireless signals and all that stuff. Our technology boomed in the fifties and further and people believe

that the treaty with the grays and other aliens, there's even some believe we have a treaty with the reptilians and more that that that's where our technology, the infant, infancy of the technology came from. And then we ran with it and that we are an emotionally unprepared and intelligent intelligently unprepared species to have this kind of technology for when it's naturally supposed to occur further on in our evolution. Oh, I hate that idea. I figured you would.

That sounds like silly. That's like when yeah. But it's also like when people say that that, you know, ancient civilizations couldn't have built the pyramids and you're like, oh, I'm with you. What? No, I do. I do. Can do all sorts of crazy ass things that give people the credit they're due, even though it was probably through slavery, the idea that in the 1950s,

we learned all the things we learned from aliens and not from the fact that like during World War Two, everyone in this nation and around the world was like in war mode and everything that we need to make war. Yeah. Yeah. From like radar to all that shit. And then rockets were developed and then we smuggled away the Nazi scientists and we're like, hey, these rockets are pretty cool. And that like we did all that shit. Like we got to them like, oh, I agree with you.

I'm with you on that point. I don't think we got our tech from aliens or at least tech that we are aware of at this point. What I will say is that I don't have flying cars right now. That's all I'm saying. Unless the aliens want to keep us particularly down. Flying cars don't affect space travel. Give us aliens if you're listening right now. If you hear this podcast, I know it's one of your favorites.

I know it's one of your favorites. I need two things before I leave this earth and join you in space is what I'm saying. Flying cars, sex robots. I know you have both. Make it happen. Thank you. That's my platform when I run for president. Is it harder to shoot a bunch of monkeys on the ground

or if they're all flying around in the air? Doesn't matter if you have a world destroying super ray. Come on, fair enough. You know what? Fucking fair enough, dude, fair enough. We're talking about the aliens from Independence Day are real. Right. Exactly. They're based on fact.

Yeah. Brent Spiner is a scientist who works at Area 51. And yeah. In that theory, though, I don't I don't say I believe it. I want to believe it. But, you know, the the area that the point where my belief kind of waivers or would kind of swallow is there might have been a treaty to slow down because it really did kind of stop very quickly.

And if there was a treaty that worked out, whether they are using the country for their own purposes or as a treaty, doesn't make. If you're an alien species and you have the ability to dominate another, we know there might be conventions, you know, there might be conventions. There might be some sort of government and they have like, you know, do I think there there is supposedly a fucking intergalactic government that has rules and there's other aliens that fuck with us and they break the rules. It's just like what we do on earth when we encounter a new nation.

Remember? Yeah. But we but we deal we deal with me. I'm not talking about nations. I'm talking about like when we deal with chimpanzees who are like 99 percent us. We throw them in cages. When I say we, you know, I mean the Federation in Star Trek. OK, right. Of course. Yeah, exactly. Of course.

Let me let me say this is something we will absolutely heavily dive into next episode or episode four, depending because we do need to talk about the M.J. 12 and potential treaties. We got to get through the rest of these of Crash 2 and the events that lead up to us being able to theorize. I know it sucks, but we got to do it. So as I said, like they were just kind of doing their thing.

The question then is what do they do with the bodies? If the bodies were real, if they were brought to the army hospital, if they were dissected and looked at after that night of dissection, where did they go? Well, apparently those flights that we talked about a minute ago, the ones that were bound for Los Alamos and whatnot, the crates, the crates that were they were loaded with, most of them had wreckage on it, but some of them contain contained bodies.

However, however, apparently on some of the wreckage, there was some markings on them and those markings I'm familiar with. These two, yeah, I've seen this before we get to the transcription. The other sealed wooden crates that were completely unmarked were loaded into the Bombay of a B-29 tail number 7301. For any of you, we have a bunch of people, by the way, we learned that a bunch of people were aviation experts out there. We have a bunch of people in the military listening to us.

So I hope this is exciting because it's like a plane from tailspin. It's like the start destroyer plane from tailspin. It's like a plane that the Rocketeer would fight on the roof of. Like this is like a big fucking plane. Oh, so it's one of the pirates, like the jackal pirate guy. Yeah. Yeah. So it is believed that the crate that was loaded under the B-29 bomber was possibly the one carrying the bodies.

The only reason we say this and the only reason we have this assumption is because on this B-29 bomber guarding this one crate were six MPs. One officer, two NCOs and three enlisted men, all of them armed. They never let the crate out of their sight, according to to those who saw it were there. And at Fort Worth, the aircraft was met by a number of extra officers, including a mortician, but this one employed by the army, not just. This one officially on the record.

Right. This one officially on the record. OK, so that's that's all real, that all actually happened for sure. Well, a crate was loaded under the B-29 bomber and took off and went that way. Aside from the fact that it may or may not have contained alien. Right. We can't know what it was containing. But yes, a B-29 bomber with that many people went and it went to Texas. Yeah, they went to Fort Worth. Why would you fly a weather balloon to Fort Worth from New Mexico?

OK, I think we can safely say it wasn't a weather. But I'm just saying, I really don't think it was. I just can't believe that's the story. Yeah, again, and if it's if it's true that they were greeted with a mortician that basically spells out the bodies were the things on the crate. It was unloaded and the flight crew was then told to head right back to Roswell. Marshall returned with them on that flight and was kept in Fort Worth for 24 hours. And that had kept him out of reporters line of fire

until the cover story could be put into place. So Marcel was brought to where the bodies were. Everybody was told to leave, but Marcel was kept there for an entire day while the news stories broke and the new the new cover stories were put out into the public so he couldn't be asked questions. That is Frank Joyce, the man at KGFL reported that the officers had brought Mac Brazel to the radio station KGFL to also be interviewed. So remember, he went to the Roswell Daily first.

Now he's being brought to KGFL. This time, Brazel had a new story, one that was significantly different than the one that they supposedly had recorded on a wired recorder. Joyce pointed out that Brazel said and responded that it would go hard on him if he didn't tell the news story. So they were basically like, hey man, that's not what you were saying. And he's like, listen, I don't have a choice. They're going to fucking fuck me up if they do.

And so he told the news story to KGFL. Meanwhile, the flight crew returned from Fort Worth and were not debriefed, but were told that they had flown the general's furniture to Fort Worth. With a mortician? But that was in the box. That's their that was their explanation. Was his furniture made out of people? That's why I'm like, what?

Did he have a fainting couch made out of a man's folded body? All of them were told not to say a fucking word, not even to their families. There was no flight. It didn't take place. So my in my in my head, they're all lined up. And the officer that comes out isn't even trying to hide. He's like, if you flew a bunch of fucking to the general's officers, listen, if you say shit, you're all dead.

There's like, left it at that. Marsil was finally 24 hours later allowed to return. And he headed right to the CIC office and confronted the officer. Marsil wanted to see the reports that had been filed in his absence, but the officer at the CIC completely refused. Officer Marsil pointed out that he was a senior officer, but the CIC agent literally claimed that the orders came direct from Washington and to take it up with them.

And that was the end of it. After that, however, the Las Vegas Review Journal carried a story later that day, quoting a United Press report that said, quote, reports of flying saucers whizzing through the sky fell off sharply today as the Army and Navy began a concentrated campaign to stop the rumors. End quote. The story also said that AAF headquarters in Washington, quote, delivered a blistering rebuke of the officers at Ros to the officers at Roswell.

End quote. That same article was printed in other newspapers around the country. That just seems if that was that if that was today and I read that headline, I would be like. The government can't do that. They can't just like. But they can like a like an anti like a disinformation campaign. Well, is it a disinformation campaign?

Because at the time they were touting around, touting around, touting it about as fact that this this is there's like one or, you know, the naysayers around this time, if there were many, they were so scattered and there was no way for them to communicate. There was no way for them to really resist what the government was doing. And most people just want to go back to their everyday lives and not think about aliens flying over their city. Do you think that if you see an alien or if you have a sighting?

Don't don't ask me what I would do if I saw an alien. What I'm saying is imagine like you're somebody and you've been hearing that there's been sightings around and it's the forties and you see something. Are you automatically going alien? Yeah, I mean, like we talked about. Yeah, we've talked about this now in both episodes. It's like the time frame. Like what would we just say, right?

Like aliens have been around the knowledge of aliens at the very least a decade because of War of the Worlds. Like it's like it's I don't know. I guess it wouldn't be that far of a leap for them to make that jump, you know. Yeah, it's just it seems it's like some human psychology shit. You know, I just don't know. It sucks that like the moment they were like, it's a weather balloon, like reports stopped because that seems to like, you know.

But if our peak within KGFL is a truth to the matter, then the government was calling everybody and being like, we will revoke your broadcasting license if you say a word. Yeah, so it's it's one of those things again. Yeah. So after all that, that's remember, that was just all in one day. That was Wednesday. That was Wednesday the 9th. That finally brings to the close July 9th of 1947. And that's where a majority of the activity pre and up to the crash takes place.

The 10th, 11th, all the way up to the to the end to late July. Not a ton of things happened, but a few things of note before we start talking about the wreckage itself. First, those five days in time, this this all took place. Remember, Mac Brazel was being held in for about five days by the army fucked up, son. Yeah, let's deprogram you or whatever. Yeah, exactly. They were trying to convince him on top of that.

They're trying to convince him that he saw nothing as well as the repeated questions, but on top of that, the other excuse people put forward is much like before they were trying to keep much like they did with the officer that the left in the other state for a day. They were trying to keep Brazel out of the public eye for a while until the press died down. And then when the press stopped caring, then they let him back out. I don't know if that's, you know, true or not, but it's just one of those things.

I don't I don't know. What's the media cycle really like that quick in 1947? Yeah, well, in Roswell, it was because Roswell's tiny. So the news popped off super fast. And once the army got involved, that's when National Press just fucking went with it and exploded. But I don't know. Flying saucers are things that are starting to happen a lot now. On top of that, on the 10th, this is 10th of July, by the way,

that we're talking about the next day. The one important thing that happened on the 10th of July is that Major Pritchard from Alamogordo, I said that right. Thank God, Alamogordo claimed that there had been a unit from his base in Roswell that had launched balloons around June 14th. That was what was found by the rancher. Brows brought Brasel undoubtedly. So that's what they claimed now.

Now, whether that's true or not, who knows. And Brasel's the first one. Brasel's the first crash. Correct. Yeah. Ranch crash. Yeah. The one where they loaded it into a super fortress. Correct. And and carried it to back to Washington. The one where Brasel initially said that he found it five or four or five days before and then his new story was three weeks before.

I sound like a broken record, but it just is so unbelievable to me that that's what that was. Yeah. So continuing on on Friday, the 11th, that's when debriefings of the army really began taking place in a wide scale. And this is according to Frank Kaufman. They were taken into a room in small groups and then told that the recovery event was highly classified. Nobody was ever to talk about it.

And they best forget it if they knew what was good for them. Beyond that, the rest of the week goes pretty easy. And we're kind of going to scoot away now from the rest of that event and move on to the wreckage. We're going to do the post event afterward. But we want to focus our attention on because that's kind of like, like I said, that kind of ends the events of July. That's it.

But it's the wreckage itself that I also kind of we go into crazy town with the symbols. And if you would believe that this is true, what this material was like. So remember, the materials of the crash site were handed off multiple times, especially the first one, it was brought out to a family at some point and by by an officer and then given and handed to a bunch of people. So these are a collection of what the the people who supposedly played with it, saw it and experimented with it,

say the material was like when they handled it. And these are all testimonies. Correct. Well, after the fact. Oh, yes. Well, after the fact. Yes, 1991, I believe, is when we started to get some of the more in-depth information on the on the symbols specifically. And do we know why they decided to like wait that long? The army was thinking their lives.

Well, I think there was like a TV special or something around that time. Well, that's in the late eighties. That's when what's his face from the radio started to do the whole like U.F.O. investigations, our bell there you go. That's sorry, his name kind of fell out of my head there. I remember there being like some sort of like Roswell dock in the 90s. That was like a watershed thing. I don't know if they're I don't know if they're connected.

But I remember that there's something about that time period that I'm like, it might just been like it's 60 years later. They don't care about the death threats anymore. Or like, you know, I can imagine at least for a few while if we are to take the accounts as fact and they were threatened by the military, that would be enough to shut me up for a while at the very least. It reminds me of that thing that I was talking about, about how there's the whole, you know, myth making and yeah, it feels like the 90s were that time period.

And then all of a sudden it became popular to talk about it. So I am very wary going into this to believe anything that's about to be said. And I will say for the audience, if there is a point in the story where you want to that where I even would say, be wary, it's the wreckage part. Not saying that there wasn't wreckage, but just the explanation of how it was and the way it worked and how bizarre it was. I'm ready for the symbols. Symbols.

Let's do it. Symbols. First, the material was extraordinarily light, similar to aluminum or lead foil in appearance. When it crinkled, it would flatten itself. It would not burn, could not be cut or destroyed. Again, we talked about that a little bit in episode one. But to reiterate, you could literally crinkle the material

and then it would just pop back out and just be smooth. And you just need to drive a car. It turns into Robert Patrick. I don't get the reference. I'm sorry. That's the one thousand. Oh, God, of course. Anyway, an extremely light material that was like

also wouldn't appearance, but couldn't be cut, burned or whittled. It was pliable also, but it wouldn't break. So it's like you look like wood. Yeah, it looks like it looked like wood in appearance, but like an aluminum style, kind of like wood. It's weird. It's weird when you think about it. It's like cars, but when I have wood paneling on them. Yeah, man, this is like a Volkswagen UFO.

This was a family coming out on vacation to earth. They got a flat tire. They they swerved. They crash and then a bunch of frickin, you know, natives started poking them and waving at them and trying to talk at them. And they were scared. That's fair. On top of that, a thread like material that was described as looking like silk.

But rather than having individual fibers like standard textiles, it was one strand like a cable. It had also been described as a monofilament fishing line or perhaps something akin to fiber optics. And I imagine seeing this in the forties. I mean, it wouldn't be too surprising. Just look like a string to you. But here's where the weirdness comes in on the I beams of the supported

crash of the supposed crashed vehicle. There were writings on the wall. It wasn't an unknown language. And it was described as hieroglyphics by the people that had seen it. It was repeatedly described as being written in pink or purple. And here, if anybody's on the outline, you know, let me grab the picture. And let me. Did anybody talk about that on the day? I don't actually know because these drawings are from ninety one.

I don't know. We didn't hear about these hieroglyphics until the early 90s, when all this is coming out. That's when we heard about these hieroglyphics. Not before the in the military has not said anything about it. I don't know where I can drop this or how I can do this. But you can you see it, Alex? Oh, you know what? I can do it like this.

I am an Internet man. Dude, we all are. We are Internet men, all of us here. It's going to go in the Zoom chat, gentlemen. Here you go. OK. Those are the symbols that were drawn from memory. I was about to say, OK, from memory. Have you guys have you guys seen the movie Stargate?

Yes, of course. This looks like like if you're out there listening to us driving to work or something and you think into yourself, what the fuck do those symbols look like? It looks like if the designers of the game pieces from Sorry tried to make Stargate hieroglyphs. I don't think I saw any charms. I think you're both wrong.

It is literally here's what it is for people watching at home or, I guess, listening at home. Banana emoji, eight L eight eight. It is just an eight. Yeah, a four leaf or three leaf clover. I guess four leaf clover. The chicken emo, the chicken leg emoji, a box with a circle in it, a game piece, the flexing emoji.

A sorry game piece. Yeah, yeah, a flexing emoji, a zero and then an hourglass. That's literally these are pre emojis. I'm not sure I'm convinced this is not from the future now. I think this might have been a future person here in prop training. And now I need you to translate this for me. What the hell does it say? Seal sideways, but corn cob.

Shamrock. I love that they decided to write that in their ship. That's that's the magic that gets it to fly. Seal sideways, maybe it says like, you know, maybe it says like Lexus or like, you know, like Honda Elantra. Let's start with a B for banana. Yeah, it's it's called the the Gleepgler Gleubenhofer. The Gleepgler Gleubenhofer is actually a great model.

Fantastic safety record. They do not crash. I think it's they do not crash. Look. This looks like if maybe like in another reality, like PlayStation decided to use different shapes for the controller. Like it's it's it's just very, I don't know. Like, what is it? What does it say? I couldn't tell you.

And that's that's the problem with this, though. When you look at it, look at it. It is human shapes. These are not abstract in the sense that like we wouldn't. Like these are things that if you said to me, Jesse, what did you see on the ship? And I was like, oh, boy, I got a lie about this. And I started making symbols.

This is the kind of shit I'd make. These are not real alien symbols. Gun to your head. Eight. Circle. Oh, man. Banana with exclamation point. Yeah.

Chicken. But you know what, though? I feel like they were influential. Like looking at these, like I know it's a shitty like chicken scratch scribbling of these symbols that were like probably like printed in metal, right? But like if you look at like any sort of like post 90s alien thing, like any sci fi thing, like their writing looks exactly like that shit.

Now, they specifically say, by the way, it wasn't like in the metal. They said it was it looked like it was written in pink or purple. Yeah, like maybe it was like, like, you know, when you buy a when you buy a car and it's like on the back, it's like it says the name of the car. Like, yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, this is the company name of the of the UFO they were flying. I got you. Yeah.

That's like a prayer as far as the wreckage. But we now move to the bodies, which I find fascinating because I want to believe so bad. However, it's important to note going forward with these bodies, much like the the wreckage, the the information we have is a collection of different pieces of information. If if we are to believe what is written and what has been reported is that the bodies were all individually

autopsied by different physicians that were specialized that specialize in different parts of the body. So, you know, somebody who was specifically good at, you know, the tour like knew the torso inside and now his job was the torso. Somebody else might have the limb. Somebody else might have the head. And how could we have an expert on any sort of alien? Well, they'd be human experts.

Right. They were experts on human anatomy and just hopefully it translates to whatever it is they had. So the the person who collected these accounts, a man by the name of Leonard Stringfield, he went to all these supposed physicians that were there. And what we have here are literally just a collection of different of different interviews, and we're just going to piece it together for you as one. So this might these aliens might sound familiar to you as we move forward.

The aliens themselves were of a height somewhere between three and a half and four feet and four and a half feet tall. The head themselves by human standards would be oversized in comparison to the torso and its limbs. Although brain capacity has not been specified, it is considerably larger comparatively than that of the possessed by human beings. So they got a big old cranium. They got a big old noggin.

The brain is or the head is more room for a brain. They don't know they didn't get info as to how big the brain was. We don't we don't know if they have a brain. The head and body are absolutely and completely smooth as a baby bottom. No fuzz, no hair, nothing purely smooth. The eyes were huge, a large oval shaped, sunken far apart and slightly slanted. So over the side of the head, you know, kind of a typical gray.

They had no ear lobes or extending flesh beyond apertures noted on each side of the head, which one one might believe to be maybe ear holes or where ears once were before they were before they evolved beyond the need for them. If anybody believes that graze or psychic in nature, their nose is formless with nairs indicated by only slight protuberance. So where the nose should be, just a tiny little bump is what they've got. The mouth is a small slit, which may not function as an orifice for food ingestion, but there was no mention in the reports of teeth of teeth made by string fields

and formants. So those who were who were telling him these things didn't say anything about teeth. But what are we? What's there instead? Is it just like a hole that it's just a slit? It's a slit for a mouth and we don't like that. They said they might not even be used to eat food. We don't know what it's for. And we don't know. It just looks like like somebody just took

like an exacto knife and just yeah, just kind of right in there or exactly. Their neck is also relatively thin while their arms and legs are extraordinarily thin with arms reaching nearly down to their knee section. So this fits, you know, earlier descriptions of graze, as they have the long arms that are just near it or the Dover Demon as we covered in our live show. If you remember the Dover Demon, he had that big head. His arms were down to his knees.

He was tiny. So I remember there was like a thing that ended up being fake that came out like me. I think after this picture, maybe. No, no, it was with what's his name? Commander Riker. What's his name? Oh, you're talking about Jonathan Frakes. Jonathan Frakes.

It was Jonathan Frakes hosting and it was like somebody had a video of an alien being autopsied. OK, yes. There's so many of those different ones out there. There was a famous one, but it was like debauched on TV. Mega debauched. Yeah, well, actually, I think what happened was the guy was like, OK, so what you guys saw was actually a recreation of footage that I watched in the 90s. Right.

Debunked. Exactly. Yep. Debunked. Mega doing. That's what makes UFO research so frustrating is because there's a thousand of bad actors out there who were just doing random shit. Now we're going to move on to their fingers and we're going to get learned a little details

that I don't think you boys probably know about the grays and just how they're kind of like their anatomy is. Their hands show four fingers, but no thumb with two fingers, double the length of the others. They have fingernails that were actually elongated and a slight webbing effect exists between their fingers. So they got a little bit of webbing that goes between the bottoms of their fingers, almost four fingers

and no thumb, no thumb, and two of their fingers are way longer than the other. They're usually like maybe middle two. The skin itself had a tough texture and was grayish. Skin on some of the preserved bodies appeared dark brown, evidently charred by the crash. Their blood is liquid, but not similar to human blood by color or any known blood type at all.

There was conflicting reports on reproductive organs with some observers reporting no distinguishing sex characteristics, while others stated that there were distinctive male and female bodies sexually comparable of human beings. So you mean like this is a genus and a vagina and boobs. Yep, which I know sounds weird. And it's weird that there be conflicting reports, but there's also conflicting abduction scenarios with grays.

Some of them have weirdly human like figures. And if grays are somewhat psychic in nature, maybe they're seeing the same thing, but they're seeing something different because their brain is trying to interpret what they're seeing and make it as human as it can. Or they're lying. Or they're lying is also possible.

I mean, you know, we can make excuses. Or they're lying. It could be. It's possible. I mean, you know, we could be dreaming right now. You know, you never know. We could be in the matrix, dude. You know, man, I was blown away. Yeah. All right, anyway, let's not talk about the matrix. Yeah. When I was young, when I saw it,

I was like, maybe we are in the matrix, dude. I think that's a legit theory. You know, I don't think that's another theory. What does it matter? That's exactly your. Yeah. You know what I mean? The steak tastes good. What does it matter? Exactly. What does it matter?

Give me that red pill. I don't care. Right now, I'm not, you know, if it turns out this is actually not real, I'd be good at jacking at this moment. Fair enough. Fair enough. I'd like to get out of my little nutrient pod in my like weird, like, I don't know, like future D&D peasant clothes. The last bit of information is that ever come from, by the way. Just why didn't it just look like shitty old human clothes?

Like, why? Like, why? Whatever, they've been naked all their lives. I'm just I have questions. Robots are robots don't have penises. They don't care. Yeah. We're growing in tanks. It doesn't matter. Are we ready to finish? Yeah, I mean, sure, whatever. Sure.

Finally, Stringfield has said that he was, unfortunately, given no information on their internal organs. So we have zero info as to how they work internally that way. We just have physical descriptions of their bodies, basically. Yeah. Finally, the mortician from Roswell, Glen Davis, gave an interview to Stanton Friedman in 1978, where he related the description of the alien bodies at the at the Roswell Army Airfield given to him by a nurse

who he ran into when he stumbled into the into the situation. We talked about that a little bit ago. But his little explanation that he got from the nurse, again, the nurse unnamed, we don't even know if she's real, is the following. The aliens looked small, fragile, with no hair. Noses didn't protrude, eyes set pretty deep, ears were indentations, upper arm longer than the lower arm, no thumbs for different tentacles, no fingernails, suction cups on their fingertips,

no sex organs and a large head. That was the report from the nurse when she said she saw. What? OK. And that's an interview from 12 years earlier, 20 years earlier, almost. 1978 was the interview. This was the interview was given by the local mortician. And again, the local mortician said this is what the nurse told him. But we don't know if the nurse was even real.

So weirdly similar, though, to like the other accounts from later. With the exception of tentacles, suction cups on their fingers. I mean, like the tentacles, if you're if you have no thumb, which already is like fucked up. But if you have no thumb and, you know, two of your fingers are like double the length of the other ones. Like I could see somebody seeing that as tentacles. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you.

Um, but that's where we're going to leave Roswell part two, gentlemen. Next, that is both crashes up to the recovery and up to the coverup that we know in every little detail that I could get prior. Next episode, the final episode of Roswell, we are going to cover the Majestic 12, who they are, why they exist and what they did with the alien races after the Roswell incident, if we were to believe it was indeed aliens. That's the craziest thing is how generic it all sounds.

I'm so sorry, like no, you did because it was the OG. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like this is the one where all that's just this shit comes from. So I hope as you're listening to this and you're thinking about this, you realize like this is the real one. Like I know it kind of seems like what this is the story of Roswell. It's like, yes, but the reason that it does, it sounds like run of the mill is because it is the mill.

It's the yeah, yeah, it's very true. Also, I didn't know July 8th was Roswell's anniversary. That was the event. And obviously I when we're doing the research, but when we popped up the episode, I was like, oh, wow, we hit it right in there. I didn't realize sweet serendipitous. We're going to leave it there. We've got a mini so to go record.

So thank you, everybody, so much for listening. Jesse, I'm curious now that the event is done. We go into some things that are even more questionable so far. What do you think of what you now know of Roswell? What do you think of the event? I think that I know nothing new. Oh, OK, but not that I don't. Not that it isn't new information.

It's just that it's been so popularized, like Alex was saying. It's the yeah, of course, event. The things that you have said that I'm like, all right, well, that's interesting are also things that I'm like that also sounds like total PS. Yeah, there's a lot in there. And it's the problem where it's it's a lot of people want to jump on the Roswell train because the Roswell train was the first money train. In all also true paranormal, ufology, all that stuff.

Like all of it started here, really, really. This is the main point. And, you know, either deathbed confessions and people are just like, well, of course, why would they lie on their deathbed? But like, you know, I don't know, y'all. I don't know. People do crazy things. It's certainly a significant it's a I think it's a it gets it gets less

cred for being a significant cultural event for America than it than it than it actually is because it really is significant to our culture in a lot of ways, especially now when we live in this age of like people who are like, you know, willing to believe like crazy theories over like facts and science. A lot of the time, like that that like little special something that puts America in that mind state, it like starts here. And, you know, it's because it's it's it's so it feels so American to me. It's so weird.

Roswell is so OG. It is an American is Apple pie and baseball. Like this is one of the yeah. And the government hasn't given us any reason to ever trust it, right? At least the last 50 years, this seems like an absolute like if you believe in conspiracy, if you're a person right now who's just like, let me tell you about vaccines, right? If that's on your radar, then you it becomes very easy to be like, well,

of course, because of Nixon and Hoover and, you know, all the scheming that goes on the last since I've been alive, almost every president has had something that then later came out that was like, why do they do that? Yeah. And it was and sometimes it's not terrible, but it's like, you probably should have told us though, right? Like that kind of stuff. And I'm going to say every president, I'm not going to say almost everyone.

I was trying to think of a president that didn't. But since I've been alive, every president has done something that was like, wow, that probably isn't a good thing you did. And you hit it and it only came out after you were president. Like that kind of shit happens all the time. And so I can understand what people don't trust government because strangely in the United States, it doesn't always work for us all the time. We are how that is.

It's wild. Well, this has been a blast. I'm glad we're getting this done. We're going to go record our mini-soad. Thank you guys so, so much for the support over on Patreon and of course over wherever you listen to the podcast, if you enjoyed it, drop us a rating. It goes a long way for the podcast. If you guys want to reach out to us, you can do so at Shilluminati

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