Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 64 - The Robert Taylor Abduction

Episode Date: August 17, 2020

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Starting point is 00:00:25 Yup, juice! Toyota, let's go places! Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome to the Chiluminati Podcast, episode 64. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by my other two hosts, Alex Fosiani and Jesse Cox. Hello, boys. Patreon, what's up? Head to it.
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Starting point is 00:01:16 sometimes of more ChiluminatiPod at patreon.com. This is... ChiluminatiPod. You love to see it. Shameless. Shameless. It's based on Showtime with William H. Macy. It's based on a show from BBC, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:01:33 Is it like Skins for Adults? Is it for the BBC show called Shameless? I don't think that's... That's an old show. I don't think that's even in the British language. Shameless? I don't think that's a word. You don't think the British have no shame?
Starting point is 00:01:44 No. I guess that's... I think they are all shame, and if anything, the word for shamelessness is like, bourgadiggity. Bourgadiggity. That's good. All right. That was incredibly English. I absolutely...
Starting point is 00:01:59 Oh, you got the bourgadiggity? Yep, that's it. That's what... They got the bourgadiggity, didn't they? I think I remember somebody saying that to me last time I was there. Yeah. That's bourgadiggity. Bourgadiggity.
Starting point is 00:02:10 You there, Alex? Yep. That's me. No, it's the bourgadiggity. You gotta say it all. It's like aluminium. Oh my God. Americans with your aluminum...
Starting point is 00:02:18 Aluminium is the one that I like have to take a stand on because... Is it spelled like that? No, right? I believe it is, actually. Let me find out. Aluminium? No. It might be...
Starting point is 00:02:30 It might be technically allowed to be spelled both ways. No. Aluminum. Yeah, it's aluminum. Aluminum. I don't... I don't... But no, but look.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Okay, search aluminum, and then it goes down here. Aluminium. Alumin... And then aluminum in American and Canadian, so it's both are correct. That's fucking... Well, it's just like color. Color. But they don't say like...
Starting point is 00:02:50 Color. A useless... Or yogurt and yoghurt. Yoghurt? Nobody says yoghurt. There's an H, my friend. Yoghurt. You...
Starting point is 00:03:03 That's why that's... And that's my friend is why you're about to dig into these shallots. All right. All right. All right. All right. This is a show about mysteries. This is a show about creepies.
Starting point is 00:03:14 That is a mystery. Yeah. I mean, it is. Alex, you are correct. And you apparently have brought us a fresh mystery. Guys, yes. Right off the mystery grill, served inside of fried conspiracies. Guys, yes I did.
Starting point is 00:03:28 You are... You are so correct. Wait, is this an Alex episode? It is. Surprise! We got two in a row. It is. Surprise.
Starting point is 00:03:36 And the thing that's crazy about this Alex episode is that it's much less... It's much more... It's like almost... It could be a Mathis episode. Wow. First of all... You know what I mean? What?
Starting point is 00:03:46 What's that mean? What's that matter? And what's going... What happened here? So it's all bullshit. No. No. But that's why this is so crazy.
Starting point is 00:03:54 That's why this is like the perfect fusion. This is a very interesting thing. Okay. Because I like when Mathis just shakes his head at me like, you non-believer. Look. You'll never understand. Oh, God. Don't.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Don't. You're just... I'm on a hair trigger, man. Don't do it. Let me justify myself. Okay. You sound like me every... More and more every sentence.
Starting point is 00:04:13 For real. I'm going to look into the mirror naked and justify myself to you guys right now. Whoa. Yeah. After the Roswell episode... Right now? Yeah. Right now.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I'm naked right now. After the Roswell episode inside... Under my clothes, I'm naked. After the Roswell episode, I found myself in an annoying position, right? Because on the one hand, like, super interesting. Super into aliens again, like, all this disclosure stuff in the news has been like spooking me out a little bit. I still feel like...
Starting point is 00:04:40 I still feel like Pentagon has formed a brand new task force to investigate UAVs. I still feel like it's like never going to happen in my heart of hearts. No, they're going to string us along forever. Yeah. I still feel like it's never going to happen in my heart of hearts, but there's been a few times where I've been like eyeball emojis about it. Is it going to happen? But at the same time, like, every time I go into any sort of alien story, I always get
Starting point is 00:05:02 to the same, like, dead end of like... And so they said that, and it's like, yeah. And then it's like, but where's the evidence? And it's like, well, it's a cover-up, so there's no evidence. So that's the whole problem, because if you did say there was evidence and there was an alien thing, they would cover it up. You know, like, you always run into that problem. You know, and I don't want to...
Starting point is 00:05:22 Listen, okay. You pulled the trigger just a tiny bit. Can I... The other issue with this fucking topic is people like Tom DeLong. Listen, I love Tom DeLong for everything he's done. He's done a great... Why are we... Wait, why are we making fun of Tom DeLong when...
Starting point is 00:05:36 Because the other day... A few episodes ago, you were like, he's uncovering the truth, everyone. Because he is. But he's also doing... He's doing it in the right place. Yeah. Exactly. But he's also like every other UFO enthusiast where he doesn't think before he like puts
Starting point is 00:05:49 shit out there. For comparison, where YouTubers were podcasters, we have a little bit of responsibility to entertain and, you know, keep things, you know, a certain way. Tom tweeted out on his, or retweeted on his Instagram, a video from 2018 that has been so thoroughly debunked many, many times, and his caption was, I don't know, it doesn't look like... It doesn't look like a hoax to me, I think was the caption or something along those lines. And just like, and everybody's like, looking at us, like, that's such an old video, Tom.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Tom, you're like in charge and have a contract with the United States government for this stuff. Right. You are, you're making it worse. You're making the case worse for yourself by doing this. So what you're saying is, is the more you become invested in the idea of aliens being real, the more you're willing to accept nonsense as truth. I think about it like theoretical physics, where it's like, I think about it like theoretical
Starting point is 00:06:39 physics, where you can't just say everything. You can't just go in the news and be like, parallel universes are real and like, here's how they work and all this stuff. You can't say that because you don't know, right? But you think it, and you think it could be possible, but you don't just go out saying it because that's how you get ridiculed by your peers. And I will say too, when you, like all those things, the parallel universe, this stuff, if you ever read past the headline, it's always way more complicated than that.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And like, it's not just a simple like mirror universe where we're walking backwards and said, it's like weird science. So please don't send any more emails to my email box saying that we don't understand the best. I get it. I know we're not scientists. Yes, you don't understand. I get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:23 Jesse is not a scientist, but he's smart. So he gets no one sends me those emails. I'm just saying you don't seem like you would be receptive to them. But as a result of that sort of like cynicism that I developed, right, I almost fell out of the aliens thing. And though it was my intention to do an alien episode the other week, instead, I ended up doing the Dark Corners episode, which turned out fine, which was great, but like, I wanted to do an alien episode and I almost just like let it pass and went back to working on JFK.
Starting point is 00:07:59 But luckily for all of us, I think I was watching Disney Plus the other day. I was trying to just I was doing my I was doing my like, you know, you spend 40 minutes just like looking at what's on there type thing. And I found, you know, on Disney Plus, they have a national geographic thing. And I found on there this show that was called UFO Europe, The Untold Stories. And even though it sounds like a bad show just based on the title, the very like turns out Nat Geo is like not bad. And the very first case they showed on that show turned out to be like exactly what I
Starting point is 00:08:32 was looking for. So I went like super deep into it right away. And it's great because at first glance, it's just like every other UFO story that you hear. A guy is alone in the woods. He has like a weird encounter. He wakes up like days later, has like a weird memory of what happened. That type of story. But for once, this guy actually did the thing that we always talk about people
Starting point is 00:08:59 should do in these instances, which is that he went to the police and reported it as a criminal assault. OK, so I'm not sure that this is fair to all victims of alien. Thingies, encounters, reductions. Well, I mean, there's a scale, a grading scale that goes all the way up to believe the fifth encounter of the fifth kind. Well, I'm not trying to roast any of those people. And maybe in the end, it was just because this happened in like a sleepy part
Starting point is 00:09:26 of Scotland that everybody had the time to like do something like this. But as a result of this, this guy, a man called Robert Taylor, by the way, but because he actually took the time to go to the police. This event, the Dekmont Woods incident or the Robert Taylor incident as this event eventually became to be called is the is one of the only, if not the only UFO sighting ever investigated forensically by the actual police as a criminal assault and luckily for us, you know, and against that sort of cynicism, all of those records are publicly available.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Interviews, photo evidence, expert testimonies, examinations of evidence, physical evidence still exists. So this is a very unique case when it comes to alien encounters, right? Very, very rarely do you have a still have or physical evidence. And usually the only kind of physical evidence that any abduction scenario anybody can find is sometimes like a little bit of burnt grass or some pressed down areas. And that's basically as far as evidence from from these encounters, for the most part, to get. And that's so funny because they go through so much like effort to make
Starting point is 00:10:43 clear that the grass was never scorched during this incident, like over and over again, because people keep mentioning it in like the news stories about the event because it's such a trope of these events. Exactly. And also real quick before we start, the of the account of events is based not only on the Disney Plus episode, which again, that show is called UFO Europe, the untold stories, if you want to watch it. Don't check it out.
Starting point is 00:11:08 But also a book on this subject, which I read by one of the researchers from the video, who is called Malcolm Robinson, which I use because it contains the full transcripts of all the different interviews with Taylor, with the cops, all the different people that they talk to. And it also has some very good accounts by Robinson, who is there within a day of it happening and a couple other UFO guys who are a little bit more credentialed than most who also ran a bunch of independent investigations.
Starting point is 00:11:43 And it's cool because a lot of those things that those UFO investigators did synced up perfectly with like the stuff that the cops and forensic investigators said. So it's really some actually interesting stuff. And that's another reason why I think this case is so exciting. It's because it's so fact checkable, right? So let's get into the case. Here's what happened.
Starting point is 00:12:04 It was a little bit after 10 a.m. on November 9th, 1979, when Robert Taylor, a foreman forester for the Livingston Scotland Development, the Development Corporation in Scotland, was head. He was headed towards the Deckmont Woods in a pickup truck, along with Laura, his family, Irish Red Cedar. And that's basically, you know. Just like all of this stuff, like I said, this is a timeline that's verified from his testimony, synced up with everybody else involved.
Starting point is 00:12:35 So this is this is all verifiable. He was 61 years old. He was known as a good dude with a good reputation around town. This guy is like a straight shooter. He was a veteran. He was actually at Dunkirk. He's like decorated. He has no history of any other paranormal phenomenon or any major medical issues.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Later in his life, he had some kidney stuff, but he lived a normal length life, passed away in 2007. But the Livingston Development Corporation was kind of like the like local forestry service at the time in that area. And it was Bob Taylor's job to go along a bunch of gates on these roads through the woods and just check to see that they were all shut like they were supposed to be and that there weren't any cattle or sheep that like got out and went into the public woods.
Starting point is 00:13:22 Right. A thrilling night of work every night. Hot air for a gate. This is this is at 10 a.m. This is at 10 a.m. So this is sun out, suns out, guns out. Like this is morning time. Even more boring. Yeah, I could be out enjoying my day and I'm shaking gates.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Exactly. But that what that that serves to illustrate is that this is a path that he traveled many times before it's part of his routine. And as a lifetime forester, he knew the woods, the nature, just everything going on very well. However, today, as he came around the corner into what he expected would be a big open clearing, he instead found a huge dome shaped object hovering a little bit above the grassy forest floor.
Starting point is 00:14:03 He says that it was completely crazy looking unlike anything he'd ever seen. And for a good long while, he just stood there staring at it, soaking in all the details while his dog Laura was literally just like barking her ass off next to him. He says the thing was dark gray all over and it had a rough sort of like brushed metal texture to it, if you can imagine that. And he could see absolutely no sign of any sort of seam or gap anywhere in its construction, almost like the whole thing was one piece,
Starting point is 00:14:33 even though that seems like it's impossible, which is extremely common for you for descriptions. If you go back to the Roswell, the same description was for use for their UFOs. It was completely seamless and smooth. Exactly. So he also described like an old, old school, like UFO style flange around the circumference of the dome, which is like not quite a saucer. It's not quite a saucer shaped object, but if you can imagine like a ball
Starting point is 00:14:58 with a skirt around it, that's kind of what I mean by flange. And actually, I have I have a link for you guys can see the actual craft. I'll send it along in just a second for you guys. I do know of this case, but it's been a while since I have visited it. So I'm excited to. So it's like a dome ball thing. It has the flange around it and around the flange at regular interval at regular intervals is something that he called propellers.
Starting point is 00:15:25 But when he described them visually, it was much more like little spikes coming off the top. So you can kind of just imagine this like half ball with a skirt on with these little spikes going around on the skirt, pointing up off the off the skirt. And also on the flange above the dome, sorry. I'll send it to you in just a second. OK, gotcha. Above the flange on the dome, he said he also saw some dark spaces
Starting point is 00:15:47 that he felt were windows, though he wasn't exactly sure because they didn't seem to be made of anything that like glass and he couldn't really see through them. But he just from the way it looked, he felt like, oh, there's like a viewing port there. And here's where it gets weird because he says at this at this point, parts of the craft as he was watching it started to like shift and change. And he could like partially see through parts of the craft at some points to the trees behind it.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Like, you know, almost like it's getting like a little bit less tangible. And then it shifted back immediately after a few seconds to like fully solid. And then right after that happened, it's two big, giant, spiny, like sea urchin looking rolling objects that look like mines from the Atlantic Ocean in World War Two dropped out six spindles jutting off of each one and just rolled towards him at a high speed. They like dropped out of the bottom and rolled towards him at high speed. So I'm going to send you
Starting point is 00:16:50 an image of that. It's a like a police drawing, simple police drawing of what he said he saw. You guys can like sort of give him you can weigh in. They look like COVID viruses and being attacked. The UFO itself, like, I mean, other than that being kind of just a very simple drawing, you know, that's another shape that's regularly seen. Bose, like the skirt has bows. Yeah, he said they were propellers originally.
Starting point is 00:17:20 But then like there's like three or four interviews with him in this book. And he kind of like slowly sort of went back towards them being more like spikes. But I think because he was saying propellers, I think this drawing, you know, has the propellers for that reason. And I will tell you guys that are listening to this, that these images are from the book. So I don't know about the rights to them. So I definitely will not be posting an unlisted image or link to our subreddit
Starting point is 00:17:50 after this. I definitely will not be doing that so that you can't head there and check it out after this. So don't even try. So then he recalled that these mine things were the exact same gray color as the larger craft. And as they rolled towards him on their six spiny legs, he said they repeatedly made like a sucking sound or a plopping sound or possibly a slurping sound on the grass.
Starting point is 00:18:22 As it's just making its way towards you. It's like rolling towards him and like like super weird. Pretty immediately, though, they move very fast. They got on either side of him and then he's in the truck. Still, I'm sorry, as he has. No, no, he's he he parked his truck and he walked into this. He's doing his walk. OK. When he does that, when he checks the gates,
Starting point is 00:18:40 he's like walking down a path in the. OK, gotcha. Pretty immediately, though, they got up on either side of him. He said one spike from each of the mine balls shot out and grabbed each side of his trousers just below the pockets and then strongly yanked him towards the dome ship and simultaneously at this point, he describes noticing an accurate smell in the air, which he describes as smelling like burnt break linings. He says he can taste this in the back of his mouth and throat.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And he also hears a loud whooshing sound that sounds like you took a cane and quote from him switched it through the air like that, like, you know, that like whooshing sound of like a pole arm around. OK, interesting. Yeah. Now, obviously, this would be a law for anyone to take. This is man. These aliens need to come up with a better way to abduct people.
Starting point is 00:19:36 This is like a ludicrous system. Yeah, I don't know. OK. This is some extra on the same page in the math. It seems like a ball with q-tip sticking out like it's some weird human. Is that a human? I think it is. I'm hearing balls. Set the coronaviruses. What's that? What's that?
Starting point is 00:19:54 Danny Elfman's song at the beginning of Pee Wee, where it's like the whole thing plays and it's like the Rube Goldberg machine. There's just a lot of imagine. Every other abduction is they pull one lever and like a ball. And they're like, get them. But at the same time, it's so weird to see the similarities between them. And yet a bizarre, wild differences into how they get abducted. It always means we have a lot of questions are sometimes they're like
Starting point is 00:20:24 paralyzed and they're kind of elevated out a window or they're taken from their car and kind of dragged up like your typical what you would see in a movie. Right. This I've never just like. It's like aliens. First abduction. Yeah, I don't I hear that backwater planet Earth got them humans. You could abduct. Let's go practice. Let's see if these work.
Starting point is 00:20:42 It's almost like it's almost like he caught them with their pants down. They were like, oh, fuck, throw these fucking balls. Shit. Shit. Our tractor means not powered up. All right. Sorry. Continue. No, I that's like that's like what it feels like. So obviously this would be a lot for anybody to take in, you know, what he's going through at this point. So it's anyone's guess whether this was the nerves that he was feeling
Starting point is 00:21:03 or whatever it was that was causing the smell maybe or maybe for Mathis, some invisible alien kidnapping tech, I don't know. But it is at this point that Robert Taylor is actually the aliens. I think that's the implication is that they actually just smell. Yeah. But it's at this point that Robert Taylor, like many alien assaultees before him lost consciousness and fell to the ground. Right. And he woke up and he was alone again with his dog in the same clearing, 20 minutes or so had passed.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And when he moved to get up, he found that not only did he have a raging headache, but he also felt sick, like he had a fever. He had a burning sensation in his chin, and he was so thirsty and dry throated and like lock jawed that he literally couldn't speak, not just from like not being able to but also like his mouth felt paralyzed to the point that he couldn't even make sound to use his two way radio while he was out there. OK, and I'll send you guys a little.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Clip of the not a clip, but an image of the scene to give you an idea of how it looked from above. Really quick. He also had very limited ability to use his legs at this point. Similarly, they were kind of like paralyzed feeling for him. So he ended up actually crawling to his truck and getting in like climbing in and on the road home. He discovered that he was so out of it
Starting point is 00:22:36 that he ended up actually like driving his car into a ditch and having to leave it there. And then he cut through like a field to get home and got back to his house maybe like an hour after he first saw the ship at eleven fifteen. So he saw the ship a little after ten and this all happened. He was passed out maybe for twenty minutes or so, woke up, got all the way back home in about an hour's time altogether. So when he's at home, his wife is at home
Starting point is 00:23:05 and nowhere did I see his wife's name mentioned. I don't know if it's because she didn't want to be mentioned, but I'm just referring to her as his wife because that's literally how everybody refers to her. He tries to croak out his story about a strange spaceship encounter. The moment he gets home. But his wife, who saw his muddy clothes and thought he got the shit kicked out of him
Starting point is 00:23:28 and was just like completely out of it, called his boss at Livingston Development Corp, a guy named Drummond. And their local physician, who is a guy named Dr. Gordon Adams, and they both, like I said, small town, they just both headed right over to his house. So from a preliminary cursory examination, Dr. Adams saw no sign of head injury or neurological disorder apparent at the time. Normal blood pressure.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Notice there was a slight graze under his chin. That's unexplained, subtle marks on his legs, where he said he was grabbed through his trousers and slight signs of shock. You know, like his body was in shock a little bit, but he still took Robert and his wife over to the Bangor Hospital, which is nearby and we'll talk about a few more times in the story. So remember that it exists.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Sent him there for a full checkup. And while he was at the hospital, Mr. Drummond, his boss, went back over to the scene with a couple of workers to see if they could find anything that made Taylor's story make sense. So after about like two hours of waiting around for the doctor and stressing out because he was supposed to be taking his wife and kids out for a family holiday that weekend, Robert Taylor ends up discharging himself from the hospital,
Starting point is 00:24:44 signing himself out and heading back home to get ready. And he ran into his boss at home at his house who said he couldn't find anything. Hold on, let me put Wallace back on the bed really quick. He's adorable, though, that Wallace. He just stares patiently at the bed waiting for his elevator ride. He was just trying to figure it out. Yeah. So.
Starting point is 00:25:08 So that frustrated Taylor because he really wanted to get on his vacation because he really like just to be clear, like Taylor is like a guy who's completely unflappable. He never divert like his story checked out, like the cops like interviewed him like three or four times. He never changed the details of his story. The guy was famous for sort of having a sort of nonchalant sort of attitude about it.
Starting point is 00:25:31 He never really sought any sort of fame or money for it. And he just wanted to sort of get like get get on with his life. Like people even like would make fun of him. So he'd like downplay it. So that's where his head is at. But even in that headspace, he was so frustrated that his boss didn't find anything down there because he remembered all these weird little marks that were in the grass
Starting point is 00:25:51 when he was out there that he saw. So they actually both headed right back out there. So now we're, you know, just a few hours after this went down. Right. He headed back out there a second time. The police had already been notified, but they hadn't arrived yet. And lo and behold, on closer inspection, sure enough, there were a bunch of holes and track like marks making a distinct pattern in the ground because it turned out
Starting point is 00:26:15 they hadn't been looking in the exact right place when Drummond had come out there before. And I just gave you guys another little image you guys can look at that sort of shows the marks and where they were. Whoa. OK. This is an in depth image. Yeah. Wow. OK. So here's a cool walk us through this. So here's a quote from Mr.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Drummond about the holes. OK. In the center were something like caterpillar tracks. And that's like, you know, like a tractor in the center or something like caterpillar tracks surrounded by deep triangular marks the size of a horse's hoof. There is no doubt in my mind that these marks were made by a perfectly solid, heavier than air object. They had been made by some machine, which had come vertically downward.
Starting point is 00:26:57 I don't believe in anything from outer space. The only conclusion that I can come to is that it must have been a manmade object, some sort of secret machine belonging to one of the government departments. OK. So the two sets of tracks, and you can see this in the image, which I definitely will not secretly be uploading to our Patreon, is like tractor things that are evenly spaced that look like maybe they're part of a machine, like two lines of inline tractor tracks.
Starting point is 00:27:25 And then all around that are like little and that the tractor tracks seem like maybe they were made by the ship and the little the little like hoofy things are a lot more erratic and look like maybe they were made by the schlorpi balls. Yeah, that's yeah. But the tracks are they're saying are like where the ship maybe landed. The track, it's not clear because so there was a whole thing about this drawing that he did, and it's not this drawing.
Starting point is 00:27:52 There's a much more detailed one that I think is a little bit less accurate because it kind of came after, but that one has four legs on the craft. But after like checking everybody's notes back and forth, the artist was like, you know what, I don't think there actually were legs because I don't see him talking about that anywhere. I think I just like added them. So I want to like rescind this image. I think I added the legs.
Starting point is 00:28:18 The official story from Taylor and from everybody else was that this craft was actually floating, but there's no explanation. Like the idea is that maybe the bigger tracks came from the ship and that the little erratic tracks around it kind of, you know, they look like they were made by something moving around. Yeah. And like I said, it was at this point that the Livingston police also got involved and within hours of the event taking place, they had drum and cordon off the area so people couldn't walk their dogs
Starting point is 00:28:45 through it or whatever. And they interviewed a bunch of people, including Taylor, took a bunch of photographs of the very real marks in the grass, which were actually there that they even brought in an artist, like I said, to sketch it. And it was also sort of fortunate that it was November because even though this took a couple of days to look into and a lot of people came by to check it out, you know, as close as they could get.
Starting point is 00:29:08 Because there was a layer of snow that kind of came down over everything. It's sort of just like locked everything in so they could come and like look at it and like take the snow off and just like see it almost like preserved underneath. So while Bob was gone on vacation for a day or two, you know, like I said, he went on holiday. His daughter Anne stayed behind in town and the police came by to visit her. That's where they got his clothes from his whole outfit.
Starting point is 00:29:41 They were all sent away to Edinburgh for processing. And they were inspected on site, along with the police, by a specialist, a civilian scientist called Lester Nibb. And here's what they found. The pants were actually standard issue police trousers, which seems weird, but actually is not that uncommon for like a laborer to wear something like that. You just go down to the store and you just pick up like the police, the police pants, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:30:07 They don't have like a badge on them. They're just like the type that police wear. Not uncommon for people wearing at that time, but it's important because police pants are like pretty well tailored. They're like tough pants, right? They're made for wear and tear. He left home in a pair of clean, undamaged pants, came home with them caked in mud and torn on both thighs.
Starting point is 00:30:30 They were also dusted with some kind of white powdery substance. But that was later found to just be maize starch, which was in the grocery bag that his daughter put it in to send to the cops. So that was like a mystery that they like almost had that they like solve. But the tears themselves are very interesting because they were and this is a tear that tore through. They cut his legs almost like I don't think there was blood drawn, but they were like big scratches on both sides through his pants
Starting point is 00:30:59 and through his long johns. So the tears were very interesting because they were torn in a way that would require fairly considerable force. And here's a quote about them from the book to give you a better idea. On both sides, the damage is an area about 26 centimeters from the waistline on the outer thigh. When viewing the trousers, the damage on the left leg was seen to be a vertical tear that's five centimeters long
Starting point is 00:31:26 at the bottom of which is a horizontal tear going two and a half centimeters to the right, OK, leading vertically upward from the right hand side is a six and three four centimeter tear of which the first two and a half centimeters is straight and clearly, clearly torn. This is opposed to the rest of the line, which is in a rougher state. OK, so you can kind of picture picture that. And on the right hand side, the damage consists of a 2.61 centimeter angled tear 25 degrees upward from a left hand center point
Starting point is 00:31:57 about midway along this is another small tear vertically upwards. So I have the pants here and they actually whip these. So glad I'm so glad you do. They actually whipped these out in the video, too. Oh, yeah, with those pants out. Yep, there it is. And so what is so these things that happened? The implication here is what exact little spiny balls pierced the legs, right?
Starting point is 00:32:22 That's what he says. And to nib the guy who investigated it, he said that this seemed consistent with the story. And he theorized that the trousers had been gripped by something that had a width of 2.5 centimeters and then lifted, which would explain the horizontal tear and the two vertical tears. So the horizontal grab and tear and then you lift and it like rips, right? And so the clean rip comes from the 2.5 centimeter long grip.
Starting point is 00:32:52 That's like a clean like rip. And then the the rippy rip, the like shredded rip is from like gravity. You know what I mean? And the force of him being pulled up, right? And possibly even dragged along, which is what Taylor said happened to him in the stories that he got, like, kind of pulled towards the dome. I'm just I'm still baffled by this being their tactic. I know, I know, it's super weird.
Starting point is 00:33:17 But, you know, they can have a completely different body size and shape to us. He also says the tears, the tears definitely could not have been made by a single pointed object, like a nail or something that he might have, like if you could imagine him like scrambling around in the ground and like tearing, getting it caught on something like that. Like that's not what happened here. It seems like it was made by a wide object. And his undergarments, which were long johns since it was November,
Starting point is 00:33:48 so it went all the way down. His legs are consistent with it. So it wasn't like something that he did after the fact and just did to his pants. Right. You can't be like just a pants door on a rock from the ground because the second layer was also pierced. Right. Now, obviously, this doesn't verify the alien element of the story, but it does give legitimacy to the claim of him being physically assaulted by some sort of machine, which no matter how you explain it,
Starting point is 00:34:15 is like a weird thing that happened, right? So that's the first thing from the police report. But also, according to both police and independent investigators, which means they were both reporting the same information, the marks in the grass made by the dome ship were also very real. These like tractor ones and consisted of, quote, two parallel lines of rectangular depressions, two point three five meters apart and two point six six meters long.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Both tracks were composed of seven or eight of those depressions. It was impossible to know exactly how many as in removing the snow, they accidentally damaged one or two of them. Each having the length of about 40 centimeters long and 10 centimeters high and they're 18 centimeters apart from each other. So like 18 centimeters, a mark, 18 centimeters, a mark, 18 centimeters, a mark. And the appearance could be likened to a depression made
Starting point is 00:35:12 in soft grassy soil by a large piece of flat metal. The ground had not been pierced by the weight, although it had been severely depressed and the soil dipped about one centimeter in the more prominent of the mark. So as heavy as this was, it wasn't like something that like bam, like it wasn't like something that like smacked the ground and dug in. It was much more like something that was laid there that just only slightly depressed in terms of the tractor
Starting point is 00:35:39 looking marks on the ground. They also noted that while some of these markings could maybe have been made by known digging or forestry equipment, there was nothing leading to the marks or away from the marks, making the idea that they were made by something that was driven there very unlikely. You know what I mean? Like, yes, like if you look at it, maybe it's consistent with some sort of vehicle,
Starting point is 00:36:04 but how did the vehicle get there? You know what I mean? Like there's no sign that it arrived there from any direction. So again, not saying it was definitely aliens, but just based on the police evidence, it's pretty clear that something was there and there's even some evidence for the rolling sea mine shapes, though the quote, the indentations left by the supposed spikes on the spheres are extremely baffling.
Starting point is 00:36:32 A number of these could be plainly seen between the two tracks inlined around the rear and sides and leading up to where the recipient allegedly came into contact with the spheres. And you can see this all in that diagram that will definitely not be available on then the subreddit reddit.com session online. Inline around rear sides leading up to where the recipient allegedly came into contact with the spheres. Not all were uniform depth and shape.
Starting point is 00:36:57 A couple of strange marks were nearly twice the size of the rest, but in general, however, they were all the same. A mark like that of a hoof cutting into the grass and soil in a horseshoe shape with a slope down towards the back of the mark. In some cases, these marks were as deep as seven to nine centimeters as if something had slit the soil under the hemisphere of the horseshoes as far back as six centimeters. So I'll give you guys a picture of that so you can try and describe that to everybody
Starting point is 00:37:23 because that's kind of a hard thing to understand. But this is a pretty good sketch. You can kind of like see what the deal is here. It just looks like a like a like a the heel part of a footprint. Yeah, but you see how at the in the front there, like it kind of digs into the ground. Yeah, like like if you were like if you were taking a step, you kind of kick back really hard. Almost like you dig into the ground to like dig into the ground with your heels.
Starting point is 00:37:48 What it looks like. Yeah. Except you're traveling, except the motion is the other way. Right. Yeah. As if the heel of your foot mark was like you going forward from you running really fast. Yeah, except forward. Like it'd be like you running with the shoes on backwards forward. It's and your shoes would have to be like it's very bizarre. Yeah, it's a pretty it's a pretty bizarre little mark.
Starting point is 00:38:11 And they were all over the place, like all over the place. Also, weirdly enough, according to some investigators, Taylor and his dog, Laura, were both said to have lost their appetites completely for 24 hours, five days after the events took place. Seems kind of weird and circumstantial, but I only mention it because later it will resonate with some evidence that I bring up later and it did. It was recorded, so I am mentioning it now.
Starting point is 00:38:38 But yeah, that's basically the long and the short of what we know to be true about the event. Was it the cold hard facts? Yeah, though, Robinson, along with two other prominent U. UFO investigators, who I was talking about earlier, Andrew Collins and Martin Keatman, who are from the UFO investigators network. And the British UFO Research Association. They did a bunch of legwork regarding other strange occurrences
Starting point is 00:39:03 in the area that week, along with some theories of what could have happened here. So let's get started. I'm going to paint a picture of what else was going around Livington, Scotland. Normally, I wouldn't do this where we like just look at other things that are like nearby, but the amount of coincidences here is like insane. OK, so I just thought I'd bring it up because as I was reading as I was reading this, I was like, what the fuck? It's not even like a flap. It's like it could be the same ship or whatever.
Starting point is 00:39:30 One day earlier, on November 8th, a Miss Sarah Johnson, age 43, reported three motionless lights in the sky around five thirty p.m. in a straight line with a configuration white red white, which she saw from her car while driving home from work. And then it disappeared behind some buildings. So that's the first thing. Five thirty p.m. the night before. Very nearby.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Same night, several anonymous boys were reported by their teachers as having seen a strange object descend into the forest near Deer Hill, which is very near to where Taylor had his encounter the following morning, like walking distance near. And then later that same night, at around eight p.m., Mr. A. Ferguson of Edinburgh saw a bright strip of light, quote, which he said was shaped like a ruler and was headed directly to Decmont Woods, which wasn't close to where Taylor was.
Starting point is 00:40:28 It was literally those woods that it was headed towards. So that's why I think it's significant. And this was corroborated even further by Miss Mrs. E. Scott, who was waiting at a bus stop nearby and also saw a long round object with bright lights headed towards the Decmont Law, a.k.a. the Decmont Woods. Think tax shape. So that's that's a event, all that would happen within two or three hours of each
Starting point is 00:40:51 other that all see alien spacecraft all in the same like couple mile air. Like we're talking like more close than you would expect, close enough that you would feel like maybe they related, but that's not even all of it. Because the next morning, the morning of at eight a.m., two hours before it happened, a guy called Graham Kennedy was headed down towards Bathgate. And as he passed Bangor Hospital, the hospital that was close enough to what happened, that that's where he went to be to be examined. This guy, Graham, saw a bright light to the left of his car attached to an object
Starting point is 00:41:26 a few meters above the ground that was headed straight towards him so quickly that he almost crashed his car. This event was corroborated by at least one other driver and a cyclist who also saw the same light, as well as by someone called Anne McGregor, who was a nurse at the hospital, who was getting off the bus near her work. And as she was walking, she heard a hissing sound, looked to see what it was and saw a bright light descending toward Deckmont Woods, all within an hour or two of this event happening.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Yeah. Now, at 10 a.m., almost at the exact same time that Taylor was being dragged around by this weird machine, somebody called Violet Connor and her sister, Lillian Black, were driving from Bathgate to Armdale. And they saw a white cigar shaped light hanging motionless in the northeastern skies for five minutes before losing sight of it behind the building. So that's at the same time that that other thing was going down.
Starting point is 00:42:20 And later that same night, the ninth at 6 p.m., Josephine Quigley and four of her friends, all about 30 years old, saw a silent rotating ring of lights in the sky, much lower than any other, any aircraft would fly for about two minutes before one of them got freaked out and decided they wanted to pick up their kids from school. Two hours later, I just do we do we know when these were actually reported in? These are all police reports that were that were that happened in time. Like it wasn't like the report came out and then a bunch of people were like,
Starting point is 00:43:01 no, I saw this. These are all police reports that happened. What's that? Prior to the event then they were all reported prior to his like, for example, this guy almost crashed his car and then he pulled over and then he called the cops and the other two people who saw it also called the cops. Gotcha. Like that. So it is. Yeah, it's all happening in real time.
Starting point is 00:43:19 The only one that the only one that was reported after the fact was the three anonymous boys and that's because the way that it happened was the guys were at a place investigating some stuff and these teachers walked up and they were like, yo, our kids saw some stuff and we sent them to the police and they reported it and it was crazy. That was from the data. It sounds like two ships so far. It's like two distinct ships.
Starting point is 00:43:42 One, the rotating lights would fit the the orb one with the rim on the outside and then a classic tic-tac cigar refrigerator shaped whatever you want to call it ship is also in the area for one reason or another. Exactly. Pretty wild stuff. Two hours later, same night as Taylor's encounter after the women saw the rotating light and she took her kids home from school. Also in Livingston, same town, same night. Stephen and Alan Little, two brothers who are 14 and 17, watch a dome shaped
Starting point is 00:44:13 object floating over a main road 400 meters behind their house at a height of 150 meters, glowing bright white with a large red light on one side and the large blue light on the other side. And they were simultaneously pulsating at one second intervals for about eight minutes before the white light in the middle turned off and only the side lights kept pulsating for another two minutes. They're testing their airplane camouflage. Yeah. And if you want to go deeper than that, there's a bunch of other events
Starting point is 00:44:41 that happened in the months before and after this, but I only included these ones. Yeah, but I only include these ones because these ones are so close to this event and so like physically, geographically close to these to this event that they almost seem like they could be related. And it's such a concentration of them that it's crazy. My question is after the event that Mr. Taylor had, did all this cease? Did everything stop again?
Starting point is 00:45:08 Like the UFO sighting stop? There's there's other mysterious things that have happened in these woods, but there wasn't. I mean, other than the like sort of explosion that definitely happened after he was in the media for all this, it, you know, it's not like a particularly active area compared to any of the parts that was like that's another commonality between a lot of big UFO scenarios, abductions, whatever you want to call them.
Starting point is 00:45:29 There's like the flap that happens for a week or two weeks or whatever leading up to a big event of some sort, an abduction, a crash. And then it all stops. Right. Yeah. And and that's kind of what happened here. And obviously he honestly, like, I don't think this guy really like wanted this to be his like main thing. People talk about it.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Don't. Yeah. I like that he's definitely not like that type of guy. There are some stories that his family was like super into it and like thought it was like crazy and like became like alien kin family a little bit, but not in a way where they're like credibility should be considered. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:46:07 But yeah. So that's basically. All the all the stuff that happened those days, they don't give a lot in the way of verifiable evidence other than that. They are other alien related encounters on the same fucking day within like a mile or two of the actual location, which is rare. You know what I mean? Where it's like, I saw it. I saw it. I saw it. It was there. It was doing this. It's right by this.
Starting point is 00:46:29 There's a criminal investigation at the point where it happened. Like it's a very thorough investigation as far as an alien encounter is concerned, but there are and while nobody knows exactly what happened or whether it was aliens, there are a few theories to explain what could have happened here other than just like it was aliens, which is a hard one to swallow. I'm down for this. I'm down. Let's hear. So the first theory suggests that rather than aliens,
Starting point is 00:46:58 Robert Taylor suffered from an epileptic fit and hallucinations that were caused by a rare form of black ball lightning. So ball, it sounds like your swamp gas explanation. Well, well, OK. So so so ball lightning or ghost lights is a type of electrical light sphere that sometimes is created during thunderstorms and can be anywhere from golf ball sized to three or four feet across or maybe bigger. Sometimes even sometimes they last a second.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Sometimes they last a minute, sometimes more. They've been known to create a hissing sound, smell very bad. They dissipate or explode sometimes. Nobody really knows what causes it. But there were some researchers at the Zhejiang University in China that have postulated that it's possibly created when microwaves are trapped inside a plasma bubble. People have seen them inside of skyscrapers.
Starting point is 00:47:51 People have seen them inside of airplanes and they are a a meteorological mystery at this point. Though they are known to be the source of many paranormal sightings, this does seem to gel with a lot of the other sightings in the area, especially the physical evidence here, though, of this case doesn't seem to jive with it too much. Like the idea that like he saw it and then like was affected by it in such a way that he like just freaked out and imagined everything else
Starting point is 00:48:23 that happened to him is a unsatisfying explanation. Well, it doesn't explain, like you said, any of the fucking tracks or any of that kind of stuff. It doesn't explain his pants being ripped. It doesn't explain any of that stuff. But it does explain like the paralysis and all this stuff, you know, like like that type of thing. Like that that's all kind of cool before before we move forward again.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Then so he never did like one of the like what people out here typically do. The hypnotism, regressed memory, what happened to him. You kind of just like left it as is. He just did like a bunch of interviews with the police and they're all on the record and they're all very consistent with each other. And you can read them in their entirety if you'd like. Oh, the book, the book is on Kindle for three dollars if you want to buy it. This theory was eventually updated to be about a mirage of the planet Venus
Starting point is 00:49:14 because allegedly quote Venus at magnitude negative three point seven lay at only three degrees altitude on a bearing of one hundred and thirty eight degrees almost precisely in the direction in which Taylor was looking. I don't know what that means. If you're an astronomer and you want to fact check that head to the Reddit Chaluminati pod where I will definitely not be sharing you these images. And you can you can look into that. Wait, so are you definitely not definitely will not be doing that.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Yeah. But like I said, yeah, this doesn't explain any of these physical evidence. It doesn't explain hallucinatory seizures. It doesn't like that's not like a thing that just happens to people. You know what I mean? That's like somebody with a medical history has that and you would know by now or at least by the end of his life that he was susceptible to these things. And.
Starting point is 00:50:07 This theory does also bring up the fact that there was some work done in the area by machines about a month before, though none of the machines that were there actually match the measurements necessary to make the tracks that were recorded at the scene. You know what I mean? Like normally that would be enough to explain it. But because we have the precise measurements of everything, you can really like compare the chassis of these machines that were there
Starting point is 00:50:33 and they don't match. So that's the first theory. It's kind of a wacky theory. The Elmerage Ball Lightning Theory kind of whack. Theory two, this one comes from a couple of emails by a dude from the Glasgow University Archive who worked under the supervision of the Scottish Records Office, and so that means they have access to some stuff that some people might not have access to.
Starting point is 00:50:53 So I'm going to read those emails right now. There are two military installations near Livingston. One was a nuclear bunker at Wilkeston near East Calder. And the other was to the north of Livingston, close to where Bob had his experience. I don't want to sound mysterious or conspiratorial, but I should give you some background. Livingston was one of the new towns and enjoyed development status, which meant it was run by a non-elected board of management.
Starting point is 00:51:17 When the government decided to remove its development corporation status and return it to the local authority, this was done by act of parliament. An archivist or records manager was appointed, me, to oversee the preservation of the history of Livingston from its inception to disillusion. I was subject to the Official Secrets Act and the Privacy Regulations. For instance, many of the records of Livingston Development Corporation will remain closed for a hundred years.
Starting point is 00:51:41 That's twice as long as the cabinet papers. I had no say in the closure periods. Therefore, I must be careful on what it is close. I can, however, point you in various directions if you wish to investigate further. The M.O.D. facility at Livingston was important enough to have a railway spur installed from the Edinburgh to Glasgow mainline directly into the depot. It is also interesting to note that shortly after Bob's incident, British Aerospace announced they would cease research and development
Starting point is 00:52:05 into unmanned anti-tank vehicles. See Jane's World Aircraft about this period for similar American devices. I think this is what Bob experienced. The reason I suggest as you look at Jane's All-World Aircraft for 1978 to 1979 to 80, I can't remember the exact year, is because there is a photograph of an American remote anti-tank helicopter type machine remarkably similar to what Bob described, which would deposit mines close to enemy tanks and then retire to a safe distance.
Starting point is 00:52:35 The Americans abandoned it because it kept crashing on highways much to the alarm of the motorists and no doubt the military. If this is what Bob saw, and of course, there is no direct evidence that it was, it would have been controlled from some distance away and flown into and out of the site. A contemporary remark by Malcolm Drummond, Bob's boss, who went back to the site with him is worthy of quote, but there were no tracks going to and from the site, which is surrounded by trees. What made them must have waited more than a ton, possibly two ton.
Starting point is 00:53:03 I can't explain what made these marks, but it must have come straight down and gone straight back up again. The first general manager of Livingston Development Corporation, Brigadier Purchase, had a great love of having each stage of development photographed and particularly from the air. Such photographs exist of the M.O.D. site. So this is another convincing theory. This possibly could be a lead, right?
Starting point is 00:53:27 But it has no physical evidence. I haven't been able to find this book. I haven't been able to find this image of this craft that looks similar to what he was describing. But the way that it described it seems like it could be the same thing. Doesn't explain how he was grabbed or pulled or the smell or him falling unconscious. But it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:53:46 So that's bizarre. Yeah. So that's theory, too. That's the mine slash anti tank vehicle theory. Theory three is a similar theory to the ball lightning theory, except it has to do with Earth lights, which are also bizarre balls and mysterious light that are kind of pseudosciency, but that allegedly come from tectonic movements of the Earth's plates rather than from weather.
Starting point is 00:54:12 Here is a quote from astronomer John Dykes log about what he thinks happened. The moment Bob started approaching the object, he entered a highly charged electromagnetic field, the like of which might have had effects regarding the stimulation of his brain, the physical court, the visual cortex, temporal lobe, retina, etc. While the object itself was composed out of high electrical charge plasma. Suddenly, two separate objects emerged and rushed in his direction
Starting point is 00:54:38 due to a process called induction, which is similar regarding the operation of a spark plug in petrol engines where a strong induction current jumps arcs between two conductors, creating a spark. These high voltage currents are known to arc distances up to 20 meters. OK, Bob also noticed sucking or plopping noises, which formed an indication of a process called geosound. Which is produced by the combined effects, mechanical strain across rock masses and a strong electromagnetic field induced by piezoelectric processes.
Starting point is 00:55:10 The moment these highly electrically charged objects attach themselves to his legs, whereby penetrating and cutting the non-conductive material of his trousers and long johns making skin contact. Taylor's body worked as a conductor and he received a high level charge of electric energy voltage, which was emitted in exchange between both objects. His nervous system nearly collapsed and it paralyzed his legs. He might have had experienced a sudden muscular spasm produced by the shock
Starting point is 00:55:37 after noticing a strong, accurate smell ozone unconsciousness set in, which can occur when a person is hit by a lightning strike or a high voltage current. So that's that gives a better sort of idea of what like, because I in my mind, I was like, how the fuck could a ball of electricity do this? And this gives at least somewhat sensical example of what that could be, though it still seems very far fetched. That I prefer that over the very first explanation of ball lightning. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:56:07 It also makes me think that maybe that whatever it was, we're just tasing him with their weird taser right contraptions. So, yeah, it's not a completely satisfying explanation, but there is there is something to it. But finally, the fourth theory, other than it actually being aliens, which like, I don't have a theory for you on that, because I can't tell you any facts about aliens, because there are none. The last big three that people talk about in this case
Starting point is 00:56:35 has to do with a toxic wild berry known as a tropa belladonna, which OK, OK, our only options for all of this are like, well, it could have been aliens or a secret military test project or electricity or a berry. A berry did it. He was out in the woods and a berry hallucinated him. And that's is this where why are all these stories like this? Well, you know, they all seem ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:57:04 And then you listen to the details and you're like, wait a minute. Yeah, the reason is because like the only evidence they have are some depressed tracks in the ground. And and he was cut and there's and he was cut. Yeah. Anyway, look, these berries contain tropane alkaloid, which can induce delirium and hallucinations. They did grow nearby and the theory postulates that Taylor either
Starting point is 00:57:26 ingested these berries, not knowing they were dangerous or got some of the juice on his hands somehow, which then absorbed into his skin. Here's a quote from an expert on that. It is not implausible that during his scheduled inspection of the forest, Taylor came across the plant and handled it in some way. Perhaps he was mindful of the plant's harmful qualities and uprooted it, crushing the leaves, roots and berries in his hands. Moreover, if he was unaware if he was unaware of the plant's toxic nature,
Starting point is 00:57:51 he may have naively consumed one or more of the berries before continuing with his check of the wood. Each scenario would introduce atropine into his system, either by oral ingestion or transdermally. Though one would expect a forester to be familiar with dangerous plants as part of the work remit, the sheer rarity of a species may bring about ignorance. Further, when asked if the Forestry Commission have a policy towards the identification of poisonous plants,
Starting point is 00:58:14 they responded, we do not need to specifically train our staff to identify them simply because they don't have to eat them as part of their job, which makes sense. Now, normally, this would seem a little stupid, but really quick. Let me just list the symptoms of Belladonna poisoning real quick. And you tell me what you think. OK. Loss of balance, staggering, headache, rash, dry mouth and throat, slurred speech, confusion, vivid hallucinations, delirium, convulsions, imaginary odors, a sense of suffocation,
Starting point is 00:58:52 locked jaw, great thirst and a loss of appetite. It's pot. I mean, all like he hit almost all of those. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, that's like the thing that's crazy about this, but it leaves open the question like, what about the aliens? So certain accounts of Belladonna poisoning do include hallucinations of being surrounded by bizarre creatures. And there was a diagram that I could not actually get from the book
Starting point is 00:59:19 because it was being weird and actually will not be on our reddit post. But it was showing how if you're looking at a dog running towards you and you like warp the image, it could become like a round ball with four spindles on the bottom and the tail being another spindle and another spindle being here. And like it kind of just showed you how your mind could make that look like that. Yeah. But. This theory states that the actual reason why he saw these specific
Starting point is 00:59:54 alien creatures has to do with a episode of popular British sci-fi adventure show, Doctor Who, which was called City of Death and aired a few weeks earlier on September 29th, 1979. And interesting, the following four weeks every weekend and includes a specific spacecraft that's extremely similar to the one that Taylor described. I just sent you guys a picture of it. Obviously, there's still some crazy leaps in logic here.
Starting point is 01:00:26 But who knows? Large portions of this story are just too convincing to ignore. And unlike many other cases where eventually you just figure out the real story, this one never fully comes into focus, which is why I love it so much. And that, my friends, is the Robert Taylor incident. The only case of a UFO ever being investigated as an assault. Pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, it's a fun story because, like you said, like this indiscernible
Starting point is 01:00:54 physical proof that something went down. Yeah, there was there was there was a big heavy object there that made tracks in the grass. It's always possible that they were there before, but it's unlikely. And these hoof prints were there. These other things were there. And and there was one other thing I wanted to read. I want to let me let me see if I can let me see if I can pull that up really quick.
Starting point is 01:01:18 And this is one of the this is one of the events that I like chose not to share. That was like one of the alien happenings that went down. If you know what I'm talking about. Well, basically, this girl went missing. A little bit before this in the same area, she got lost. They looked for her for days and days and they eventually just found her alive, like crouched, hidden somewhere, very close to where this event happened. And they were like, what happened to you?
Starting point is 01:01:49 Like, how did you get here? What you were not supposed to be anywhere near here? And she was like, I was following the sheep. What? The sheep? I was following the sheep. And, you know, they have hooves. I don't know, like that's that's all I got. Like, there's there's there's not really that much to this.
Starting point is 01:02:09 You just got to remember that his job is that he's checking these pathways to make sure the animals don't get out. So hooved marks like, you know, could be some kind of thing having to do with animals escaping. But I just don't know. It doesn't seem right to me. It doesn't seem completely explainable to me. It's a it's a case that I keep thinking about and turning over in my mind
Starting point is 01:02:30 and I can never really get to the bottom of it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it makes sense. But it's still fascinating case because you actually have a little evidence to point to both physical and the tracks on the ground that were recorded by the police. Officially, the case is closed. But, you know, those records are still available and the and the pants still exist. Yeah. Appreciate the story, Jesse. That was I'm Jesse Alex.
Starting point is 01:02:57 So I got turned over. I see Jesse shaking his head and my brain was like, I just I had a lot of head shaking. Yeah, a lot of head shaking. It's hard to comment on a lot of the story because a lot of it's like factual. Here's what we found. Here's what was there. The only thing that doesn't make sense is then the conclusions drawn because they don't think they have any. So they're like, it could have been this, it could have been that.
Starting point is 01:03:17 We don't know. Those are all those people who have spent a lot of time investigating the area, trying to come to some sort of conclusion. And that's the best they can do, which is like the thing that's crazy about it. It's like all the all the like equipment theories fall flat because how the fuck did it get there? Like there's another one that's like, you know, those bomb disposal robots that have like the arms. Yeah. Yeah. There's another theory that like it was one of those.
Starting point is 01:03:42 But like there's no reason for it to be there. And like the middle of Scotland. Like I imagine the only thing you think of is like they're testing it. But even then, like why would they fucking do it in this like public path that a guy walks down every day in the middle of Scotland? Yeah. No, it's weird. It's all weird. Well, thank you for taking us on this wild psychedelic alien. Maybe right, Alex. We appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:04:01 I hope that it at least convinces some of you to go do some more reading about Robert Taylor. Please do. And we are going to go do some more talking about stuff over on the Patreon minisode. So don't miss it. Off. Uh, what? I said, don't miss it. Don't miss it.
Starting point is 01:04:15 They said, where is it? Where is it? Where can you find it yet? We can also find it at patreon.com slash Luminati pod. You don't get all the kinds of extras over there, digital posters, exclusive minisodes, discords, behind the scenes stuff. And that'll keep on growing. We hit a new high.
Starting point is 01:04:30 So thank you all so much for that continuous to push to our last goal. Hell yeah. I'm getting us to do some ghost hunting once this is all over and we can leave our houses again. If you enjoy the podcast, drop us a review. It goes a long way. So wherever you're listening, pop us a review, let everybody know how you enjoy it. You can reach out to us over at the Chaluminati pod subreddit, the Chaluminati pod Twitter. And then we each have our own personal Twitter as you can find me over at Mathis Games.
Starting point is 01:04:53 Alex, what about you? Where do people find you? Find me at Fossiania on Twitter and also at the Star Wars New Canon Book Club podcast, which me and Jesse and Davis talk about Star Wars a lot passionately and with great emotion. It's almost like that's what the podcast is for. Yeah. Fantastic. Jesse, what about you, brother?
Starting point is 01:05:15 Look, I'm on the internet. I'm mostly here. I'm wherever you need me to be. You need me. You need you want to call me? Call me. I'll show up there. I'll do it.
Starting point is 01:05:23 I don't know. Don't don't write that. You promised your life. Your mouth can't cash. What is that? What do they say? I'm not going to be using my mouth. Yeah.
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