Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 79 - Project MK-ULTRA Part 1

Episode Date: December 7, 2020

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I love it. Welcome, by the way, everybody to Shaluma Naughty podcast. Episode 79 is always on one of your hosts, Mike Martin joined by my two cohost, Jesse Cox and Alex Fosy on a high high man. I know I usually just hawk it to you for Patreon and I normally would, but I would like to take it just for a moment and just say a big huge thank you. So we actually updated our $50 tier, our biggest tier and what what you get now with that tier on top of everything else.

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No, I don't want to invite that thing. Ruin my day, man. Never mind. That's no problem. Ready to ruin everybody's mood. We've been talking about it for a long time. Boys, it's finally time to start part one of however many purchases of MKUltra. Well, how many parts do you really think it is?

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So Mathis doesn't lose his mind as we'll see. It's all right. Dude, I've already read the books. I've already lost my mind. I just relive it now as I make scripts. So Project MKUltra is one of the darkest, most shameful and gruesome points within human history. While it's true that MKUltra was a US focused project, like a lot of other horrendous things

in the world, MKUltra was not an overnight decision and its roots date back decades before the project project ever saw the light of day involving a chain of events that all involve human experimentation, the deaths of tens of thousands in the process, all leading up to the fateful launch of MKUltra in 1953. At its core, the plan behind MKUltra was to create a breakthrough within psychological warfare, true mind control. And for a decade from 1953 to 1963, under heavy secrecy, through the means of forced drugging, psychiatry and straight out and out torture, that was what the US attempted

to do. Now, before we fully dive in, I want to shout out our two main sources for this particular episode on top of a myriad of internet sources, Poisoner in Chief, Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control by author Stephen Kinzer and the second book, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, the CIA and Mind Control, The Secret History of Behavioral Sciences by Dr. John D. Marks. And of course, a huge shout out to Dana for coming through the muck with me and just going through all of this and helping me create this series of episodes because it wasn't

fun for parts of that. It's like a real life, actual stakes, mad scientists. Yes, so crazy. Well, yeah, well, welcome to the MKUltra series, everybody. That's what this is. MKUltra, in my belief, is one of the prime reasons that modern conspiracy still thrives as heavily as it does today. When asked for proof that projects can be kept under wraps for so long and terrible

things can happen for years without a single public person really knowing or leaking it, MKUltra is one of the examples people tend to point to. And it's true. This project was tightly under wraps for a decade plus. And even I would argue after the court hearings, most people didn't pay too much attention to it thereafter. It is one of the conspiracy theories that ended up being fact. And of course, the matter of our country wanting to bury this as deeply as possible,

because when you start to truly dig, you realize how evil the US was during the beginnings of it all and likely still never stopped being such. Yeah, you hear the type of person that Googled us to find us, to see if we existed as a show. You probably already know about this. But I feel like the average person might not. This is for me, I think, like as a younger, like back in my early 20s or whenever I really learned about this for the first time was one of those moments was like,

oh, oh, the US isn't the greatest country in the world. I got you. It's just like one of those. Yeah. No, it turns out it's New Zealand. No, no, no, it's Norway. Yeah. But we aren't starting there.

We're not starting in 1953 with the launch of Project M.K. Ultra. Instead, we're going back nearly two decades. M.K. Ultra, in a sense, begins in Japan with a man by the name of Shiro Ishii, when the US allowed him to surrender on August 15th in 1945 in return for all the information that Shiro Ishii attained during his experiments at a place called Unit 731 during the Second World War. The two of you know what Unit 731 is. I imagine Jesse probably don't know.

You don't know what that is. They exposed the Iguana to radiation and then it got real big. OK, so we're going to teach you some things. Unit 731, which was during the Second World War, he would be saved from being hung and protected from the Soviets so long as he was loyal to the US from that point on. And of course, he accepted. But let's talk a little bit about who he was and what Unit 731 was.

Born in 1892, Shiro Ishii was the son of a local landowner and sake maker. He'd grow up to study medicine at Kyoto Imperial University. Very shortly after his graduation in 1921, Japan commissioned Ishii into the Imperial Japanese Army with the rank of Army Surgeon Second Class. But it wouldn't be until 1922, after impressing his supervisors at the First Army Hospital and being recommended for postgraduate medical training and going back to Kyoto Imperial Hospital,

that his love for microbiology truly began. Here, Ishii would would often grow bacteria within Petri dishes and call them his little pets. This pastime would become the thing that really defined the rest of his life because after years of faithful service to the Japanese Army, including two years of touring medical facilities in the West, including the United States and heavily advocating the Japanese government to research for research into biological warfare in 1927,

Ishii would get that wish and then some. In 1935, under the guise of a complex titled the Epidemic and Water Purification Bureau, the construction of Unit 731 had been fully completed in a long remote tract of land. And in 1936, Ishii was given unit 731 with express permission and intent to conduct experiments on human subjects to master techniques of germ warfare.

So that was what Unit 731 ended up being. It's a place where human experimentation happened for six years between 1930s. People that were shipped in from all over this is all happening during World War Two. And this was in Japan? No, it was outside Japan and in the countries and a countryside part of China. They actually Japan was doing it, but they were doing it in another country. So this would be they were probably doing on the Chinese then.

Is my assumption. I would imagine so. Yeah, I would imagine so. Not a detail. I particularly don't realize. Yeah. Japan was doing a lot of like inland stuff with China, for sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Like I said, for six years, they did this between 1936 and 1942, where somewhere between 3000 and 12000 people met their excruciating ends in humanly referred to thousands between 3000 and 12000.

We don't have a definitive number. We don't know. These people who died were inhumanly referred to as nothing more than, quote, logs to those who ended up delivering them to unit 731 from wherever they were taken, a warning now for those who might be a little sensitive to gruesome details, because the experiments within seven unit 731 were things ripped straight out of a nightmare, including exposure to poison gases to then remove the lungs and observe them afterward.

Long term exposure to electricity to determine what voltage would cause death. Hanging people upside down to observe who observe the process of natural choking locked in high pressure chambers until eyes were popped from their sockets, spun relentlessly in centrifuges, infected with anthraxiphalous plague, cholera and more infant vivisection bound to stakes as flamethrowers were tested on them. What exposure to freezing temperatures to observe the effects of hypothermia, injecting air into people to provoke embolisms, injections of animal blood to observe reactions, living dissections,

living amputations to observe death by bleeding and gangrene, groups of men, women and children exposed to anthraxrapinal bombs to observe time until death, which never ended up being more than a week. And finally, forced pregnancy and abortions. Oh, my God, a little list of things that they did at unit 731 for six fucking years. So just for clarification's sake, just for the sake of like everyone who's like, holy crap, Japan during this time period, like many,

I'm going to say just in general, when you qualify yourself as an empire or imperialist, most of the times that means you view other people as less than you. So, you know, Europe had some imperialist tendencies. America had imperialist tendencies, the things America did to natives and people of, you know, island countries and things were not great. No, not at all. Even, you know, even after. But anyway, during this time, Japan was an imperialist nation and they were trying to expand and they,

you know, just like many other imperialist nations see themselves as above others. And China, in this case, was, you know, the Chinese, they were viewed as lesser than by the Japanese at the time. I'm not sure what it was actually called, but the the invasion of China was literally like a crusade. It was crusade. They had like it was like the under one roof policy or something. I'm not sure what the official name was, but the idea was like,

what if all of Asia came under our control was the vibe? And so they pretty much were, you know, if it's the same thing with Germany, if the if you don't view certain people as being human, you can do all sorts of messed up stuff to them. And that's another example that is manifest destiny for the United States when we decided we deserved all of the land. That was our that was our goal or what have you. Yeah, absolutely. This people have been done forever.

Yeah. Yeah. And it continues. That is that is absolutely one of the big things here. So when you hear them be like they did this horrible thing and this horrible thing, you're like, how could anyone do that at this time period from like 1937 to 1945 ish? Yeah. Japan was like, we it's all right to do this because we're better than them. And that's pretty much what the vibe was.

We're destined to be better than exactly. Yeah. And for six years, they got they conducted quote unquote research. And with this research, technicians at Unit 731 ended up creating various undercover biological weapons like poisoned chocolate and gum, hairpins and fountain pens rigged with toxin needles. Poisoned chocolate and gum. Yeah, that's what they're making. Oh, a ton. They were making a lot of stuff.

What the fuck happened to all the poison gum, dude? What? Where there's my man's you hold on to whatever happened to because you're going to be asking that more than once in this entire episode. I want to know the body count for chocolate and gum. But I wonder and this is like, again, history teacher Jesse, I wonder. So when Japan invaded China, they could take the big cities because that was easy, right? But the countryside was so wide that it was impossible for the Japanese forces

because Japan is infinitely smaller than China, right? So it's impossible for all the forces of Japan to take over all of China. So the countryside was kind of like, there's nothing we can do about that. We're just there's going to be roving bands like rebels. I wonder if it was like make the food poison and then we just kill them. Hold on to that because like on top of the poison, like on top of the poisoned food. But you might be on to something there because, like I said,

they had hairpins and fountain pens rigged with toxin needles. But on top of that, they had an industrial scale laboratories that existed to breed plague infested fleas while producing large amounts of anthrax that were placed in bomb cases. Damn, this place four X games. This is like, yeah, all of you. But that's like that's one of those like really messed up war things is dude. It's like, you know, I mean, look, we gave a Native American small

Plox blankets because we were like, that'll that'll do the trick. So unbelievable, like unbelievable, you know, it's nuts. This place was enormous. And you can see pictures of it online, actually, if you look it up. But even with its enormous size and industrial scale, human experimentation, it was near impossible to prove that Unit 731 existed while it operated. As the war began, obviously, coming to an end, Ishii had who had run the place since its inception ordered the execution

of every remaining prisoner while distributing cyanide pills to his soldiers and scientists with the express order to take their secrets to their grave, should they be captured after orders were given in prisoners executed. The final move from Ishii was the order to destroy the entire complex with explosives. Fun fact, towards the end of the war, Ishii was actually developing a plan to spread the plague fleas along the population of the U.S. West Coast known as Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night. That was what he was working on when he blew the place up.

Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah, good times. But at least that didn't happen. Hold on. No, no, no, yeah, that would have been awful. But obviously the war came to an end and Ishii ended up fleeing back to his hometown to live with his daughter, but it wouldn't be long before he was found by the Counterintelligence Corps and was arrested and brought to Tokyo, where he would be interviewed with U.S. scientists for four weeks.

After a rigorous interview process, the U.S. approached Ishii with an ultimatum. The Americans, what he give the Americans what he knew and proved to be an asset to the country worth protecting or stay silent and see what happens when the Soviets get their hands on them. Damn, man, that's what a crazy time period to just not only be alive, but just to be in the military. The idea that World War Two ends with the Americans and Soviets

united against Germany and, you know, Japan. And then immediately the moment it ends being like, and now we're in another war. Yeah, exactly. So in that time period, like it's fucked up right now. You know what I mean? Like it's really scary, like every day right now. I'm not like fucking around, but like the mentality that they that people had just like not even a hundred years ago, like 80 years ago. Yeah, it's like fucking like it's mind blowing.

It's like so brutal. It's insane. You actually do it like keep in mind as we go through this. This sounds like ancient history. This was 80 fucking years ago. This was not long ago at all. So there's color pictures of this time. So well, this was in their 70s were born in the 40s. So just like, you know, when this was happening, it's nuts.

So while obviously this was worth something, issue, well, this is something that she desired to be to hand it all over and be an asset worth protecting. He also wasn't stupid. The US wanted that information and even risking it handing it over to the Soviets wasn't something they were likely to do. So she would accept with some additions to the deal. He would be given documentary documentary immunity for himself.

But in addition, his superiors and his subordinates involved in unit 731 would also be given immunity. How many people we talking? Oh, I don't have an exact number, but enough to run a complex of that size. I mean, yeah, this would be like NASA when NASA was like, give us all your Germans. You're like, what? Do you know exactly?

Imagine there was like a factory of like 2000 scientists and soldiers like torturing people all the time. Or we're talking like 400 people. Or I would put my guess somewhere between 500 and a thousand, maybe. That's so crazy. They were going through, you know, 10, like any between three and 12,000 people. Whoever knows, I don't know. I don't know. But that deal was put forward by Ishii and with a simple stroke of a pen

from General MacArthur, the human monster that was Shiro Ishii and every single person that worked around him and participated or knew about or were involved in unit 731 were all completely immune from every human war crime they had just committed. It doesn't even seem real. Like it's so awful that it's like, oh, it like my mind like goes to comic book territory, like how crazy it is. But that's we do the same thing on the East Coast, right?

You know, the idea is all the Germans that were doing terrible shit, like we had to get them before the Russians got them. Absolutely. You're all skipping ahead in my episode. It's just crazy. This all is like that's the thing. Like this is where the seed of Project M.K. Ultra was in my mind, ultimately planted. This is where it all began.

And this one action to send them all immune would set the standard for countless more moving forward. Ishii began by handing over countless documents, just giant boxes packed with data from their torture. I have personally hesitated to call it experimentation or anything like remotely scientific, but that's what they would that that's what they called. How did he give this to the U.S. government? So they just sweep them up and just he just like had it.

Oh, just he had it all stored up. He hadn't destroyed it yet. They had details on how various toxins affected the human body, how toxins could be spread, as well as the dosage levels needed to most effectively take the life of an individual. And the American scientists were like, they were like, oh, hell, yes. Suffice to say, the U.S. was pleased with this and found it all incredibly valuable. You know, especially in terms of potential use future warfare,

as we tend to only think about the destruction of other people as a country. We can use this for nonhistory people out there who are just, you know, could care less about the history aspect of this. This is necessary. Think about. Captain America, the movies, the MCU and the little nerdy scientists from the first Captain America movie captured by Tommy Lee Jones. And the second Captain America movie is like spoilers in a computer and shit.

The time between that moment and when it got captured, he was working for Americans and coming up with all sorts of real schemes. That's that kind of thing. It's that storyline. That's all based on real life. That shit happened. Yeah, he just didn't get it. He was just old as fuck.

He didn't get into a computer. Yeah, he wasn't a computer. He was just an old piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, piece of human shit. But he handed over like literally countless documents over. But he she had even more. He then guided up the guided US government officials up large mountains over the course of days and introduced them and showed them hidden

away at various temples in Japan. Yes, he brought those. He swore his newfound loyalty to to his other evidence. He she and those who had aided him in the destruction of human life had hidden away 15,000 microscope slides. What? The mountains and temples throughout the country with each one containing a sliver of human tissue from victims, kidneys,

livers, spleens, as well as organs that had been collected from victims who had died from extreme temperature and thracs, botulism, bubonic, played cholera, dysentery, smallpox, typhoid, tuberculosis, gangrene and syphilis. This is like some dexter shit. This is like fucking. It is what's what's really messed up. And this is going to be like, if you haven't ever thought about this,

listener, just know this is this is the truth. And it's shocking and awful. Most of modern medicine in the 70s, 80s and 90s comes from all the shit that all these terrible people did and without them doing it's like sort of the the olden days of science back in the Middle Ages and into the renaissance when they were like, what is this thing inside of your chest? Well, let's cut in there and find out like that kind of thing. That kind of messed up stuff.

But the more modern version where they were like, what happens if we do this to the human body and all that information like all that? Like how does hypothermia work? That's got some messed up dude somewhere, frozen person. Yeah, that's exactly it. And like we're briefly covering this and we're going to briefly cover another project, but them themselves are gateways to other enormous like secret things that happen in our country that will one day cover.

But right now we have to stay focused on one with physical evidence to coincide with the documents of documented effects now firmly in the hands of the U.S. This to them would prove to be invaluable. No longer needing to start from scratch, their knowledge of biological warfare jumped with the stroke of a pen. And now they were a step ahead of all their perceived enemies. And let's be real, as the U.S. ever been one to want to be excluded from being the best at anything.

Now, they now had an entire cast of people who were extremely skilled at human torture and documenting it. And the U.S. ever so hungry for the best, the next best weapon would never want to then we'd never as the U.S. want to waste a good human resources. And so instead of bringing all of those scientists that we just gave immunity to, to America, they were instead installed in laboratories and detention centers all across East Asia.

You might be asking yourself, that's kind of weird. Why would the U.S. do that? You know, it really is confusing until you learn that testing on human subjects is illegal in the U.S. And at the time would be hard to do so. So instead, the U.S. employed these people installed in places with plenty of imprisoned humans at their fingertips to help America not only to conceive,

but consequently continue conducting said experiments on human beings for us. It's like Guantanamo labs. Yes, exactly correct. Yeah, they took them all and like, well, at least you know what you're doing. Continue, please. And that was it. And if you're thinking, if you were to think, well, at least the U.S. waited until they discovered this before they took an interest in it.

Prepare yourself for even more disappointment because we're going to go now and rewind back to the next chess piece that all plays into MKUltra from 1945 back to 1942. Biological warfare was very clearly becoming a fever pitch worldwide as the war raged on and a scientist named Ira Baldwin, among a dissenting group of his peers, assured the National Academy of Sciences in Washington, which at the time convened under Churchill and Roosevelt, that they could in fact create a hermetically sealed container to produce dangerous germs

on an industrial scale. They were not aware that Japan had already created such a place with the added benefit of human torture in unit 731. And after meeting, though, it seemed that his pitch had failed as they sent Ira Baldwin home and he went back to being a regular scientist with evil goals instead of actually becoming an evil scientist. But the U.S. is full of surprises and General W.C. Cabrick of the Chemical Services reached out to Baldwin and asked him

to return to Washington for a visit. Baldwin once again, hopeful that they were going to ask that they were asking him to return, took a leave of absence from his job and quickly returned to Washington, where he was offered to begin the construction of such a site. The Metal Gear Program. The Metal Gear Program. And from here, the Hale Lulelo was created. And from here, the next two and a half years, Baldwin served with the title

Scientific Director of Biological Warfare Laboratories. But get this, he wasn't officially part of the government. He served the entire time, technically, as a civilian. After accepting the gig, the first step was to figure out where it was going to be built. Wanting to keep it convenient, they decided on Detrick Field, later renamed to Camp Detrick and known as Fort Detrick as as the place was being built. It was only 50 miles from Washington, somewhere in Maryland, Maryland, not too far from Fredrickson, ensuring it nice and close for the army.

And over the course of three months, it was built. Over four million dollars was spent in 1942 and on March 9th, 19 starting on March 9th, 1943, rather. In twenty twenty currency, that's a little over sixty three million dollars. It sounds like the government, for sure. Yeah, it sounds like hellboy. It does. It sounds like the X-Men. It sounds fucking crazy.

What are you talking about? Sounds like the WebEx program. Oh, dude. Yeah, no, it is. It's this is why people, like I said, in the beginning, I think this is this is one of the reasons people buy so easily into conspiracy theories. I'm just going to put this out there. And one day, if I ever can truly find enough information on this, I want to do an episode. This is the United States government has always dabbled in crazy shit.

My favorite World War Two story is Roosevelt was like, OK, I'm hearing that Hitler wants to find like a bunch of ancient lost relics. We're going to need to make a team of relic hunters. And they're like, what? He's like, if they do exist, we need a team out there. And so they made a team of people who their job was to go around and try to find like the Ark and like Henry Jones, Junior.

That's what I'm saying. Hell. Yeah, it's like. It's a real thing that happened. Obviously, no one found nothing that we know of Wolverine Captain America. That shit, they were like, well, we can't not do it. And this is what's happening now during this time period through the late forties in the fifties. They're like, well, if the Russians have mind control, we can't have mind control.

That's exactly what the shit is. It's crazy. It's really it really is the premise of nearly every move they make. It's Jesse's dead on on that. They should just get screenwriters to be like, that's stupid. No. Yeah, right. That would never fly. No one would believe that. No one. Yeah, God. However, the place wouldn't truly get to work until sometime in early 1944,

were under underclaim that they were scared. We're under the claim that they were scared that the Nazis would launch a last ditch bio attack on Britain as they were losing. Churchill and Roosevelt decided to order from that place. Half a million anthrax for bomblets to fill such an order. Ira Baldwin was estimating they need literal tons of anthrax to accomplish it. And even after the Nazi surrender in 1945,

that place was still producing that particular order. I'm I'm almost like thankful that nukes happened because it skipped like the horrific like bio weapon apocalypse phase of human history because nukes are so much worse. Baldwin was actually sent home in the middle of that order. The scientists feeling super accomplished for all the work that he'd help America do. But before we get to that, the question I have is like, OK,

where did they finish the order and where did all of them go? It's probably like someday they're going to like be digging in a churchyard somewhere and like some like weird bug is going to start crawling out and everybody's going to become bug zombies. Yeah, it's it's weird. This place was had over 200 different projects running at any given time. None of them, as far as we are aware, were human experimentation. But a couple of the ones that they were working on

was producing industrial quantities of anthrax spores, obviously, breeding mosquitoes who were infected with yellow fever. Fucking dangerous, stupid ass fucking thing that is to do to do in Maryland. What a stupid fucking thing. Can you imagine if like death mosquitoes just descended on Washington, DC and just the whole government died because of yellow fever? It's some fucking asshole decided to like make a fucking farm of death. This one, this next one is my favorite project.

It was called the pigeon bomb. It was a bird whose feathers were coated in toxic spores. What the fuck does that mean? I mean, that's most pigeons. Let's not put that in precise weapon. How is it a targeted at anyone? It's not. OK. But but one of my favorite anecdotes for this episode came from that

because I was researching that specifically. I was like, I don't understand. Kill homeless people, another project that was happening in 1944 called Project Pigeon. I'm just going to give you a quick breakdown of Project Pigeon. One to three pigeons trained by operant conditioning to recognize a target were stationed in front of a screen. When they saw the target, they would peck at the screen with their beaks.

As long as the target remained at the center of the screen, the screen would not move. But if the bomb began to go off track, the image would move towards the edge of the screen and the pigeons would follow the image pecking at it, which would move the screen on its pivots. A virtual sensor would detect the movement and send signals to the control surfaces, which would steer the bomb in the direction of the screen had moved. Yeah, these pigeons are steering bombs, by the way. That's what this is.

As the bomb swung back towards the target, the pigeon would again follow the image, bringing the screen back to the centered position again in that way. The pigeons would correct any deviations in the course and keep the bomb on its glider. This is this is this is like when they're like, all right, we're going to teach these dolphins how to stick landmines like this. Is that you know what?

I mean, you have to feel like as human beings, we would at some point been like, how do we if a dog can do this? How do we train other animals to do? It's it's like insane when you look at it in hindsight. But at the time you have to imagine they're like, well, if Rover can catch this ball shortly, this pigeon can deliver a bomb. It's so good. Something about animals being involved. It's like when it's like how do you like imagine it's like in a fantasy movie,

the humans, they're getting pummeled by the orcs. The elves haven't helped the humans in 3,000 years. And then it's like the people show up and then like bird, bird weapons. And they're like, send the bird weapons, the bird folk. And the birds like steer bombs into the fucking gobble. Like there's something great. There's something like it's like, well, you are right.

There's something crazy because the National Defense Research Committee saw the idea to use pigeons and glide bombs as very eccentric and impractical, but they still contributed twenty five thousand dollars to the research. And again, that's in nineteen forty four money wanted fricking pigeons that could fricking steer the bombs. OK, or a freaking boot or a freaking a spore. Please be a fucking plot point in that goddamn room.

You fucking spore. You just want pigeons with spores on them. Skinner, who was the one who created the project and had some success with the training, complained, quote, a problem was no one would take us seriously, end quote. The program was canceled on October 8th, nineteen forty four because the military believed that further prosecution of the project would seriously delay others in the minds of the division.

They had nukes to make. The report goes across the general's desk and it's like bombs steered by pigeons and he's like, Skinner. You'd think that. But Project Pigeon was then revived by the Navy in nineteen forty eight as Project Orkin, but it was canceled in nineteen fifty three when the reliability of electronic guidance systems was proven. What's what's genuinely crazy?

Just think about the time period. Nineteen forty four on one side of the country. Scientists have gathered to split the atom. And on the other side of the country, they're like, All right, pigeons. This is why the bomb. I'm so glad I found that. Damn, the problem was the name. Project Orkin, it's fine.

But that literally somehow lasted five years in that incarnation. How many pigeons blew up with ordinance? And who did they blow up? Can you imagine the humiliation of that? Like, oh, but imagine if the project. Imagine if the project worked to the point where we use it today and you're dying from pigeon bombing. That's dynaetopia.

That's not bombing bombing. What's not real? Let's dynaetopia. That's just like when today people are like these fly sized listening drones. And I'm like, Time out. No one's made a drone look like a fly. They can just if they want to hear you, they could point a

fucking thing at you from like eight miles away and hear your ass. Oh, to be exact, nobody was under the Tommy Patera episodes. In the 80s, we had that technology. A satellite can literally just pinpoint you and look at you. People are like, Well, that fly drone clearly landed. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it's like two levers and he's like flying it in like a warehouse. I'm going in for the landing.

I can see Pence's head. But now I want to believe that the same time a guy was like, this satellite can get pinpoint accuracy and here ever come. There's another guy like, I have created a fly drone. The exact same time. She's like, don't come crying to me in the singularity. That's so bad. So camp that trick.

Is half of the puzzle pieces now in play for what I believe to be the beginnings of MK ultra. The next one is not as bad. Now, all this was happening on the biological warfare front. There was still another discovery happening in the forties. I know all this seems bizarrely disjointed for a subject that doesn't start for another decade, but I promise all of this comes together. On April 16th, 1943, in a lab in Basel, Switzerland,

Dr. Albert Hoffman discovered LSD dash 25 while he was experimenting with the Ergot enzyme while trying to improve circulation in the blood. The result in the experiments became what would later be known as a trip ascension coined until the seventies. And LSD 25 would simply be known as LSD soon after. But the results baffled him. What was LSD one through twenty four?

I know, I don't know. Oh, my God, what the hell is that? But the results baffled him, unsure of what to even do with his new discovery. He thought perhaps maybe it helped in the future in research of the of the biochemical aspect of mental illness. But his own experiments were sporadic at best and totally inconclusive. He didn't really so basically discovered it and he didn't see it all that useful. He dabbled with it and just kind of shelled it wasn't really something right.

Yeah. Eventually, though, the winds of some weird chemical were caught in the US in nineteen forty nine by L. Wilson Green, a chemical and radio radiological laboratories director. He heard of the discovery of this new chemical and was enraptured by it, gathering every ounce of information on the LSD discovery and producing a report on what else the report was called, quote, psychochemical warfare, a new concept of war,

which, of course, concluded with a strong urge that the US begins systematically testing LSD, mescaline and 60 other mind altering compounds that might be weaponized against enemy populations. Simultaneously, some new supervillain, acid man burst onto the scene and no one knew his identity. In one year after LSD's discovery, which was nineteen forty four, the final piece of the bizarre puzzle that is the origins of M.K. Ultra was placed as the war came to a close and it was clear as such.

Roosevelt was then presented with a question. They'd have on their hands thousands of Nazis with information that could very feasibly quickly in the war at hand and potentially solidified the US as a major dominant power for decades to come after the war ended. And so he was posited with, quote, should not see spies with information on the Soviet Union be given immunity from prosecution and permitted to enter the US. This question was brought forward by William Donovan, director of the Office of Secret Services.

It's important to note that Roosevelt is important to note, however, that Roosevelt declined and refused, saying, quote, the carrying out of any such guarantees would be difficult and probably be widely misunderstood by both in this country and abroad. Then he died. Don't jump ahead of me yet, Jesse. All right. All right. Sorry. And then we may expect the number of Germans who are anxious to save

their skins and property will rapidly increase. Among them may be some who should properly be tried for war crimes or at least arrested for active participation in Nazi activities. Even with the necessary controls you mentioned, I am not prepared to authorize the giving of guarantees. Roosevelt was ignored. Weeks after Roosevelt's death in 1945, Colonel Reinhard Gellin, a senior Nazi intelligence officer, surrendered to American forces

and quickly made a deal with the OSS to turn over his spy network in exchange. He was given legal protection and a generous stipend for some reason. We gave him a bunch of money. Just like a one time big ass fee of money. Yep. A one time generous stipend. And with that, a precedent was set for turned officers. And soon after one would be set for scientists of the Nazi variety. This spurned on the creation of a brand new, fun, covert service in the US.

The Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency, with a single purpose. Protecting Nazis. Oh, you are absolutely correct. Find and recruit Nazi scientists seeking to isolate them so they could not fuel Germany, a Germany's war vessel, the Soviets. And if desirable to the US, arrange them brand new jobs with brand new names and identities and histories. Over at Kranzberg Castle in Germany and over at the Kranzberg Castle

Interrogation Center in Germany, clerks had actually been using paperclips to mark files of the prisoners whose backgrounds presented, quote, the most troublesome of cases. These are the now turned over Nazi scientists and so on. It is unsurprising, then, that this is where the name for the, I guess you could call it, Faded. I'd say this is the most well known Faded kind of secret project of the US at this time came from project paperclip

has had been officially been born simply because the ones that they wanted had a paperclip on them. In an attempt to make this somewhat more legit in 1946, September, President Truman drew up a new order, which authorized the issuance of up to 1000 visas for German and Austrian scientists, quote, in the interest of national security with a big caveat. It specifically forbid cooperation with anyone who had been, quote, a member of the Nazi Party and more than a nominal participant in its

activities or an active supporter of Nazi militarism, end quote. And because of that, no Nazis ever worked with the American government ever again. The end I can even I can do you one better. Three words, this was ignored. Let me say yes, we can. No, they just ignored the president. And this is another one of the situations where, you know, people say, like, well, can't the president just say no, he gets ignored.

If that's not what the military industrial complex of the and the intelligence agency wants, the president straight up gets ignored. The operations main goal was to recruit German rocket scientists whose work producing missiles that killed thousands of civilians over in London and European cities during the Second World War would have certainly disqualified them from the official directive. Unfortunately, like I said, all that shit was ignored. And now we could dive into Project Paperclip really, really deeply here

because Project Paperclip is a lot of the scientific, a lot of our scientific breakthroughs and arguably the reason we won the space race against Russia is where it all comes from. The testing on vacuum patients and all kind of the the effects of of a vacuum on a body. Sorry, my own words are escaping me here. All that shit comes from Project Paperclip and the work that did thereafter. We're going to actually step away from Project Paperclip and just know

that that's where a bunch of other of our kind of more nefarious scientists and experimentation information came from. Yeah, I just want to point out that Vernevon Braun, who was the chief architect of Nazi like V one, V two rockets, is the guy responsible for the Saturn launch vehicle that got us to the moon. So just, you know, the guy who was developing like missiles for the Nazis is also the same guy that got us to the moon.

He also put the first human brain into the immortal body of a mecha gorilla. So it's, you know, lots of stuff on his on his resume. I also also apparently, and this is I don't know the truth of this, but it's something for people to look up. Apparently Operation Paperclip didn't officially cease existing until 1990. Oh, like witness protection vibes. Yeah, like they the we're going to keep this under wraps. Yeah, don't say all these guys die until 1990,

which just I just want to point out I was nine years old at that point. So did they like reveal all of the guys? I have to imagine that some point during my childhood, this became a thing that were there were there books and stuff about Operation Paperclip in the like in the 90s? I don't know. I don't know. I'll you continue. I'm looking this up.

We don't know about it till the 90s. That's what I think we I do think we know about it because the book that we read came from was a little older. And this is where a lot of this information is coming from. OK, so maybe we're just talking about the actual. But maybe they just had to wrap it. Everybody thought it was done or something for a long time, because ultimately over 100 scientists, engineers and other technical

specialists who had served the Nazi Germany came to the US on paperclip contracts. So we got over 100 of them and they got new names, new histories and everything. So we wouldn't even necessarily know who they were. After the war ended, the Chemical Warfare Services was actually renamed to simply Chemical Corps and the commanders proposed opening the paperclip pipeline to include that. Oh, so yeah, Jesse, this is probably why it went to further later on into the 90s, because what ended up happening here is they renamed, like I said,

they renamed their warfare services and then they widened the paperclip pipeline to also include physicians, chemists and biologists who could give them the results of experiments that had been conducted at concentration camps. So they were like, basically they were like, man, this this makes the US such a piece of shit, dude. It just it's just because you get you actually get presented this in a lot of other RPGs. The one that comes to mind is Mass Effect 2. You remember that mission with Solace Mortis, where he comes across

the science lab where they were doing like experience against like illegal stuff. And you have to make a decision of like, do you send the information off to the government or do you destroy it? US decided to keep it on themselves and then bring more people in. They were actively looking for more people that worked at concentration camps and did experiments on people so that they could bring them into the US and give them contracts.

The proposal was accepted by paperclip and the scientists were given assignments at Camp Detrick. So a lot of the scientists that were recruited went right over to Camp Detrick. These scientists taught the Americans how to create Sarin gas, which was developed in Germany and was exceptionally promising for battle use. Sarin gas is actually you might write, I don't know if you would remember this Jesse, you would have been 10 at this time. Subway bombing or whatever.

Yes, the Tokyo subway bombings by the Aum Shinrikyo clan. By the Aum Shinrikyo cult, rather, in 1995, that's what they use. That's a whole crazy story right there. That's a whole other topic we could do at any given point. If one day we're going to crack into cults, I would love to do a cult series at some point, but I'm not ready to do it yet. I'll go off. I'll go either like every other week with you on cults. I would love to. I would love it.

We could do a competition to see who can do the most cults without falling behind in their mind. Yeah. Yeah, I would love to. Let's I'm down. We should we should we should talk about like a cult a cult month or something. We do just do cults. OK, anyway. But that ends our project paperclip. The last bit that we're going to talk about are a few very quick trials that follow followed in the late forties and the effects that happened

from those trial from those trials and what we ended up gaining from them. Oh, before we wrap up the first episode, which in my opinion is going to be the shortest of the episodes as we lay a foundation for M.K. Ultra, we are one fourth of the way through this one. I want to point this out. My perception of history is clearly tainted by just the life that I've led and the years I've been alive. Turns out like all good news reporters,

Operation Paperclip wasn't unveiled in some book or something. The New York Times was one of the first media outlets to expose that it exists in December of 1946. Wow. So we not only do we know about it almost immediately, but it kept going for decades anyway. I imagine it might have been one of those things like with most newspapers where someone reveals something exists and then half the country is like, no way we do that.

Yeah, that's fair enough. And you think that we were riding a post war high and kind of think of like the US can do no wrong kind of thing. Yeah, I bet you there's a lot that plays into that. I've never heard of Americans just deciding that something wasn't true. That's not like us in our lifetime. That's never like us. Not at all. I mean, that's also one of those things that,

you know, we also it also could be over the 50s and 60s when America sort of like, we're a perfect and we do nothing wrong that, you know, we could have whitewash that history. Absolutely. Going back to Japan and the things Japan did to China. The I mean, I know it's none of this. Not to cut you off. I'm just like, none of this stuff is taught in history classes anywhere. I mean, now, now stuff like this is for sure.

When I was growing up, at least, right? Oh, it also depends on where you grow up to, you know, stay. But a great example of just history in general and how things can, you know, over time be sort of removed and then younger people don't know much about it is Japan, for example, when they invaded China. A very famous moment was the Nanjing, or I guess it's also a non-king massacre, but it's more famously known as the rape of Nanjing or the rape of the non-king. We're literally Japanese soldiers, like, murdered 200,000,

400,000 people. It's like a modern day atrocity. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like raped and murdered all these people. And currently it is one of those things that's like barely mentioned in Japanese history books. And there are many Japanese people who, uh, many is wrong. That's not true. There are some, but I think just like everywhere, you know, even people who are like, there's no Holocaust deniers. Yeah. Yeah. Some people said it never happened.

And it's that kind of thing where, and I've always going like totally off topic, but like, I think Alex knows what I'm, where I'm going with this. I've always been like, how the hell in the Star Wars universe do people not know what Jedi are 20 years after the Jedi existed? I was having these conversations as a kid myself. I was like, it doesn't make any sense. Right. You know what? The more you learn about history, the more you're like, holy shit, that might be possible. That might be a thing that like, you know,

if you have an empire that keeps me like they were bad people. Propaganda. Yeah. All takes. It's a universal propaganda. It's wild, man. This brings us to the trial of Kurt Blum in 1947. It was under a paperclip contract that this doctor, a Nazi director of research into biological warfare, was actually almost brought into the United States. The Chemical Corps interviewed Blum when he was detained at Cranesburg

Castle, where we stationed a bunch of people to do some human experiments. It determined and it was determined that his information would actually be useful. Oh, I'm so dumb. Oh, sorry. I just had the revelation that, of course, everyone knew about Operation Paperclip. Dr. Strangelove is literally Operation Paperclip. Oh, yeah. I was like, what am I talking about? I know of Dr. Strangelove. I've never seen Dr. Strangelove.

You would love that movie. It's a wacky one. It is a Mathis film. You would love that. And there's a lot of Mathis films out there. What is a Mathis film? What does that mean? It's just right up your alley. I'll take it. Have you ever seen Min and Black? A nuke. It's great.

I have seen Min and Black. It's basically the same movie. Oh, sweet. Sex, man. I'm in here. Let's do it. Let's watch it. I'm excited for a talking dog. Yeah. It should be a good time. He's so wise. He's so street wise.

Yeah. So Blom's research actually had his own research complex, which is why he was of interest to the United States, officially known as the Central Cancer Institute. It was surrounded by 10 foot walls and guarded by a detachment from the Nazi SS. So, you know, definitely doing cancer research in there. In his ice fortress. Yeah.

It contained a climate room, a cold room, incubators, deep freezers and steam chambers. Laboratories dedicated to virology, pharmacology, radiology and bacteriology. A tumor farm where malignant viruses were cultivated and an isolation hospital for scientists who might be accidentally infected. It is so fucking insane to me that they were like in the forties. Like, we got this. We and this is the this is the third one.

We're learning about just an episode one that happened within about four years of each other. All of it. The Detrick Field, the Japanese one, this one. That's what war does war. Times of war when technology leaps forward. The flu, the Spanish flu was like not that old. Like, how do they not realize how dangerous? Well, I think they did.

I think it's the point is they realized the flu killed more people than the war. And I think then people, they were like, all right, how do I use that to our effect? The way to kill people. I mean, yeah, I knew. Yeah, that leave it to the human race to like have something like that happen to be like, yo, viruses are bad ass, bro. Yeah, no, let me get one of those viruses. So you might be wondering why then.

What did I mean? Great. Sure. OK. He had all this stuff. But what is it about Blom that they wanted specifically? Well, Blom had developed aerosol delivery systems for nerve gas to be tested on inmates at the Auschwitz concentration camp. Also bread, infected mosquitoes and lice to be tested on inmates at the Dachau and Buchenwald camps and produce gas for the use

of a person killing of over 35,000 prisoners at camps in Poland where patients with tuberculosis were being held. Blom was tried at what's known as the Doctor's Trial at Nuremberg, where he put up a two pronged defense. One, no one could corroborate that he had actually done the things that he had written about, that the things that he had documented and journaled about could be nothing more than fiction without physical evidence. Defense, that is. Yeah, exactly.

And you know, proof. American B and two American doctors had experimented on prisoners by infecting them with malaria, making the accusations no more unethical than what Americans were doing anyway. I mean, that's true. He's got us there. Does he, man? We did some terrible shit. Yeah. His testimony compounded with the Camp Detrick scientist's desire to pick Blom's brain resulted in the doctors

acquittal on the 27th of August in 1947. After he was found not guilty, scientists from Camp Detrick began to interview him. So literally the minute he was found not guilty, they shipped him off to the camp. He's good. He's good. They put him over to the camp. Yeah, again, welcome. There's like streamers.

Yeah, welcome, Dr. Blom. Here's your paycheck. It's time to party. It's it's it's so it's it's frustrating reading this shit. As the experiments intensified abroad, the scientists at Camp Detrick renewed their interest in adding Kurt Blom to their ranks, no longer content with just interviewing him. The CIA found him practicing medicine in Dortmund.

And in 1951, Blom was offered an accelerated paperclip contract should he agree to spill his secrets. And of course, he accepted. Dude, just got like legit rewarded for like being evil. Yeah. Yeah. If you think, you know, via movies and media that all bad guys get their comeuppance. No, that's not how it goes.

We might be the bad guys. However, backlash at Dr. Walter Shriver's arrival in the United States caused problems. Newspaper columnist Drew Pearson published excerpts from Nuremberg, testimony that implicated Shriver and war crimes, specifically the assigning of doctors to carry out experiments on concentration camp inmates, causing a public outcry. Shriver's American sponsors canceled his paperclip contract

and the doctor retired to Argentina, where a fuck ton of other Nazis ended up running to after the war ended. And in my headcanon, Magneto killed them all. And that's how it should have been. Last one. You know, my dad went deep on a book about Hitler being down there. Yeah, yeah. My dad read the book, he was like, he's he was there.

It's a shame he was there. The scandal erupted as Blom's application was actually under review. And although Colonel Garrison Cloverdale had approved many applications, the sheer extent of Blom's crimes disqualified him from the entry to the US and recommended the visa be denied. The CIA was fucking furious and appealed with an angry memo in return. The appeal was denied on the grounds that admitting that admitting Blom to the US would bring unwanted attention, not only Blom,

but the other former Nazis who had already been quietly brought to work in American military bases and research laboratories. Let our war criminal into the country. Damn it. Yeah, exactly. We can all literally they were going to be fine with him until somebody else, they just like a spotlight could put on like what? What? No, we're not go away. No, Blom, Blom's not coming over. Don't worry about him. It's fine. Not him.

Yeah, not this guy. See, Blom is going to talk like that's it. But the CIA was determined to use Blom one way or another and therefore sent him to Camp King, another CIA black site as the position at the position of Saft Doctor recently occupied by Shriver. Now open. So he took the place of the person who got kicked out because of his past and his war crimes.

And in 1940s and in what? Nice, because she could see a little position. Just so you know, CIA was created in 1947. So this was shortly after the CIA was created. Blom was being tried to bring brought out the gate. CIA was like, we're the worst. Yes, yes, they were. Fuck them. In 1945, Truman dissolved the official

the Office of Strategic Services, which kind of started this whole thing. And two years later, they more or less reformed the CIA. So the CIA was the OSS and the OSS was the CIA. And they've always more like a peacetime version. Yeah, just like they renamed the Chemical Warfare Division to Chem Corp or Chem Corporation or whatever. It's more fun. They just rolls off the top. Way more fun, way more easy to swallow, swallow the pill public.

We're not doing anything terrible. Don't worry. The CIA's first covert operations were in Europe during the Cold War where its officers hired Corsican gangsters to break. Did I say that right, Corsican? Yeah, Corsican's right. Yeah. Corsican gangsters to break a communist communist led strike at the port of Marcell.

It ran a campaign to prevent communists from winning a national election in Italy, which succeeded in 1940. And in 1945, the next trial that would help form M.K. Altra started the Minzenty trial. It was the trial of the Roman Catholic Prelative Hungary, Cardinal Joseph Minzenty that propelled the CIA into the research that led to Project M.K. Altra. Minzenty appeared at a show trial

and confessed to an extravagant charges of attempting to overthrow the government directing black market currency schemes and seeking to steal the royal crown as part of a plot to reestablish the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Literally another like super villain. Yes. Little finger like like just a crazy villain. He was sentenced to life imprisonment while leaders of the Western world were outraged at the display. The CIA were more concerned with the way Minzenty had behaved during the trial.

He appeared disoriented, spoke in a flat monotone and confessed to crimes he had evidently not committed. Clearly he had been coerced to the CIA. It was obvious that the Soviets had developed drugs or mind control techniques that could make people say things they did not believe. And in the spring of 1949, despite falling despite the falling favor of the chemical corpse, Camp Detrick created a secret team known only as the Special Operations Division to research into ways that chemicals

could be used as weapons of covert warfare. And in 1950, where we'll be picking up next week, the first M.K. project was created known as M.K. Naomi, rumored to be named for the secretary of its creator. Acid, Matt will pick up next week. I believe they're like, Naomi, I want to let you know, dear, we created M.K. Naomi and M.K. Naomi is the name of the next Kojima game. M.K. Naomi, like, are you fucking kidding me?

M.K. Naomi, how is that not from an anime? I don't do sometimes, you know, truth is stranger than fiction, brother. That's fucking insane. Ridiculous. I'm so glad I actually got to introduce Jesse as a history nerd to Unit 731. I thought that might be something you knew about. I'm just I wish I never knew about it. Yeah, now you wish you never knew, but forever ruined, forever ruined. Wow. And that's it for the beginnings of M.K.

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