Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 82 - Project MK-ULTRA Part 3

Episode Date: December 31, 2020

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free at Miro.com. That's M-I-R-O.com. Hello, hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Chilli Minotti podcast, Episode 82. As always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joining my two co-hosts, Alex Fasiana and Jesse Cox. Hello, boys. Hi, everybody. Hey. I hope everybody had a good holiday.

I hope you had a good holiday. Thank you, guys. I hope you had a good holiday. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys.

I hope everybody had a good holiday. It's almost 2021. 2020 went out with a fucking bang, didn't it, Jesse? Look, I don't want to talk about it, man. I don't want to talk about it. I'm over this year. I'm over it. Some day, two years from now, let's all, everybody listen to this.

Let's all meet up at a bar in Havana, Cuba somewhere and just drink about this holiday season. I'm into it. I'm into it. I hope everybody had a good holiday. I know we've got some human suffering to go through, but usually this is where I hand it off to Alex to Schill, but I'm just going to take a minute and just give a heartfelt thank you to everybody.

This has been a great year. We're almost, in February, we'll mark our third or fourth year going into this. Do we not even know anymore? What's going on here? I think we're going into our third year in February. February is year three, like our three-year anniversary. We're going into.

But this is the year we launched Patreon in 2020 and we love them beyond where we started. I just want to thank everybody who's been listening because we couldn't do without you. If you've just been listening or on the Patreon, I've bought merch and just binged our podcast endlessly. Without you guys, we wouldn't be able to do it. So genuinely, genuinely thank you.

You've allowed us to really make this something so much more. I was still going to Schill afterwards, but in the meantime, while you were talking, I was visited by three ghosts from the past president of future. I don't feel like Schilling anymore. You know what I mean? Oh, all right. That's adorable.

And we know Jesse won't. So it's fine. Jesse bought me a full-size goose. He posted it to me. Oh my God. Did you kill it or are you going to keep it? We'll see. There's sometimes assholes. I mean, like sometimes you got to kill a goose.

They're just bad people. I was going to say, how's Wallace handling the goose? They're both sitting on opposite sides of the couch right now, eyeing each other. They're at each other. It doesn't have any ducklings or whatever you call them. Gosslings. Um, I'll be.

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It's not much time left for that. And then we'll we'll working on the third, the third one. Oh, and the, the Twitter in art dropped the digital poster by Mel. Studio, Melectro, it is Krampus themed, of course, tarot card Krampus themed. It's amazing. It's so sick. It's sick.

So go check that out if you're on that $20 tier. Or if you're interested, you can go jump on that $20 tier and get that poster and every poster that's been released since the Patreon started. All right. I think that's it. Boys, are you ready for MK Ultra? No. No, I mean, look, I want to know about it

because it's an interesting topic. But I just spend the next hour and a half now just getting like my worldview shattered and upset. Yeah, like my my like understanding of human potential for cruelty Just extended Deepened it's gonna keep going. I promise you you hate to see it Well last episode was a big kind of coverage of Project artichoke if you all remember we covered a lot of different projects songbird and artichoke I think they're terrible names. Oh, they're absolutely awful

Um in that there was some lsd testing to those who were aware and who were not aware Lots of different torture trying the navy trying to remove free will from a particular like individuals No, right A whole bunch of stuff and at the end all those people who created those projects got promoted within the cia And ended up running the cia from this point forward And the very last thing that we we addressed was that after everybody got their promotion They invested around three million dollars in 2020 money into this project Were no longer subjected to financial controls and had permission to launch research and conduct experiments at will quote

Without signing of the usual contracts or written agreements It got a new kryptonium and that Was mk ultra easy and that Exactly, that's where we pick up on today's episode. It's 1953 and mk ultra proper has launched Now unsurprisingly probably to everybody here mk ultra projects were actually well underway before mk ultra was officially approved on paper Uh specifically under the name mk delta the clandestine services division set up actual procedures the year prior to mk ultra being presented To use chemical and biological warfare products mk delta became the operational side Of mk ultra after mk ultra launch. So it kind of just got

Umbrella and folded into mk ultra sight nerve Yeah, exactly. Yes An unfortunate comparison, but yes uh Under mk. Naomi the ta the tss made a deal with the special operations division bsod We talked about that last week of the army's biological research center at fort detrick Whereby the special operations division would actually produce germ weapons for the cia's use So during mk. Naomi again, we talked about this last week all these things happen

And by the end of it they were making deals with the cia to produce germ warfare weapons And on april 13th 1953 Gottlieb one of the scientists working at at fort detrick the major one who's kind of running a lot of this Went to new york to meet john mulholland who was at the time A very popular magician and it's through this time out. Yeah That's not right. I thought we were going time out. You can't just be like do we know very popular How does he get in the mix? How does he slide in there mk ultra ultimately launches with a meeting with a magician

John Mulholland Mulholland was the protege of none other than Harry Houdini He was his uh, his uh understudy perfect place to start Yeah, exactly for more than 20 years He edited the sphinx a professional journal a journal for conjurers illusionists and presta digitators And mulholland also wrote nearly a dozen books himself such as the art of illusion and quicker than the eye So not so the mk ultra scientists were like

So How do you how do you saw a man in half? Yes, that's i'm sure they saw the both sides keep moving How do you do it this card trick? I must have the answer You get close to me and I look for the card and it is stuck to my forehead. How do you see there are no coins behind my ears? I shake this morning Tell me now our air hypnosis will bring you to z8 ball When not performing or writing though, he heavily devoted himself to unmasking fraudulent spiritualists and psychics

Often by way of dramatically revealing their tricks. So you have to understand too 1950s were a time of um Like lots of like like I said here like spirituality people having uh seances trying to contact the dead And this was a great opportunity for scam artists to move in set up really easy tricks around their room You know slide a hand and and whatnot and all claim that dead family members are speaking to you So are you saying so are you saying they're like legit thing was they were like, all right? Here we are mk ultra ready to go Match what if magic's real? Let's check it out No, no, it is not what if magic's real. There's a reason they went to moholland and a reason that like his history is that of Of revealing these grand tricks so he would go to these places well aware of all of their tricks

Allow them to get into the throes of their biggest seance and right in the middle He would stand up and reveal all the ways that people were being fooled Essentially bringing down entire companies under these one people who were fooling people for their money But that was that's beside the point overall because gotly it went to moholland For a very specific thing Moholland actually agreed after the meeting to teach cia officers how to distract victims' attentions So drugs could be given to them without anyone noticing There it is

Put like tapping them on the hand while you like chuck a pill down their throat Yeah, just Gotly have also asked moholland to consider writing a manual in which quote Slight of hand practices would be codified for officers unable to attend training sessions in new york or washington and moholland accepted Over the next year moholland produced several drafts of the manual and the final version was thought to have been lost or destroyed

Because at the end of mk ultra when everything was surfacing they began destroying documents left and right However, a copy unexpectedly surfaced in 2007 Making it the only full-length mk ultra document to have survived intact and it's completely like Completely up intact And the document was titled the official cia manual of trickery and deception classic, but There's no like uh redactions or Anything like that. That's a good question. Um, because it's not something i fully dove into uh because it just not

Wasn't too totally pertinent something worth looking up though um In may 1953 George hunter white who was an officer of the narcotics bureau and former osse member remember the osse became the cia In god liab rented to so sorry. Apologize george hunter white and god liab rented two adjacent granwich village apartments in 1953 white agreed to lure victims to the safe houses slip them drugs

And then report the results to god liab who was usually next door in one in the building one of the two apartments that they had In exchange for white's use the cia let the narcotics bureau Used the place for undercover operations for often for personal pleasure Where whenever no agent out agency operations were scheduled The cia paid all the bills including the cost of keeping a well-stocked liquor cabinet God liab himself invested four thousand in cash to cover the initial cost of furnishing the safe house in a lavish style In 40,000 in cash you're looking at probably like 50 grand in 2020 money This safe house was also used. This is like they're like, uh

Undercover bang bungalow. Oh, absolutely where they are also drug people. This is like they're little like nasty fuck room It's also you say that but it's also important to keep in mind that mk ultra eventually does move into the world of like Drugging and raping like later on wait. It's so much worse. Yeah That is also not where I thought any of this was going. Okay. Oh, it gets so much worse. It gets so much worse I cover that today. That's not today. That's when we get towards because what do you mean? That's not today How is this? This is like the opposite of when I was like, there's some green kids, but we'll talk about them later No, no, no, this is you're gonna get this next week probably wait. So whether green kids

No, no, the green kids was Don't worry about the green kids Yeah, remember Alex teased it at the beginning of his crazy episode and he was like that's what we're talking about today And we all freaked out, but we've never done great kids. He did cover them It was like remember the green kids remember the girl who came out of the hole got married became white and lived like a happy life Oh, right. Yeah, no, look, yo, we talk about so much bullshit on this show It is Um, but we'll get there later because today is really all about one particular person

But we're gonna get there. So yeah, this was their bank bungalow at this time Um, spending around 50,000 and 20 20 money to just decorate the thing This the safe house was also used to pilot new surveillance equipment before sending it out into the field And within the first few months white tested lsd Several kinds of knockout drops the essence of in the essence in the essence of marijuana Knockout drops marijuana Knockout drop drops marijuana and lsd Drugs were served up in food drink and cigarettes

Then white would try to get and then after they were drugged out white would then try and get information out of them After six months, however, the operation was suspended Because the topic of today's episode died Frank Olson Also known to many who may know of mk ultra very lightly about the man who jumped or willingly walked Out a window to his death All because of mk ultra But anyway, that little uh breakdown is basically the cia little tit for tat with the narcotics bureau

They get white to do experiments and the cia does all that shit for the narcotics bureau In in in return. Okay Last little bit of a of a quick info before we dive into frank Olson proper In july 1953 7200 soldiers were returned to the u.s. From communist prisons after an armistice ended the fighting in korea The american people recoiled when they saw that they had written statements criticizing united states and praising communism Some had confessed to war crimes and 21 had chosen to remain in north korea or china This confused the american people wildly

They weren't sure how or why american soldiers were turned their backs on their country The times actually examined their backgrounds completely And this might sound familiar to a lot of you because they concluded that poor upbringing and emotional problems Explained their behavior as to why they no longer love the united states. How long was that article 10 words? Yeah, right uh, the cia had a different hypothesis however, and this is kind of the Crux of a lot of them moving forward They had they believe that these 21 who had stayed had simply been brainwashed all their legs have been sought off

And they can't go anywhere Because the term. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's yeah The term had come into public consciousness three years prior when it was invented by edward hunter A memo from a cia officer posits quote interrogations of the individuals who had come out of north korea across the soviet union for freedom Recently had apparently quote blank period of disorientation while passing through a special zone in manchuria This had occurred to all individuals in the party after they had had their first full meal and first cup of coffee Drugging was indicated. So basically they were crossing over through manchuria and manchurian candidate style and then they just blank out

And then when they come to their opinions have changed So they believe the u.s. Is believing that they the in that point they're being drugged maybe through their food Maybe just more straightforward. You know what this also sounds like aliens That's very true. Are you sure are you sure you make a good point? Are you sure the aliens didn't do it? I don't you are you trying to derail this? I because you you're on you're almost there Am I trying to derail this with aliens? I don't know we got to get to the sad part

The sad the sad part can't wait We got to get to the sad part. Yeah, okay, hurry However in the years after the fighting most of the defectors did eventually trickle home several spoke about the captivity and none reported that they had been subjected to any pressure that could be described as brainwashing They said their decisions to defect were the result of individual of combinations of anger at the inequalities of american life And desire for adventure as well as traditional forms of coercion that were involved So they were sweet talked so probably let me get this straight So the stories come out in the newspaper

These people are staying because they're being brainwashed right correct and the american people is like Oh my god, that's horrible They're being brainwashed and then they come back and they're like no We just it's a crazy time man, and it's messed up and then the american government was like brainwashing, eh? You are pretty much on point there. I mean what it's It also comes down to that idea of just in general not understanding other societies and america always think it's like the best

And so we I don't I mean it is kind of like a brainwashing though, right? Not like learning that it's better outside of your own country because you're learning like perspective right like we can We can even take that example Gessie's given and bring it down to just us think about the people who never live little rural towns in the south Who eventually get to go to college? I mean that's little towns everywhere You can be in little town new york and still have that exact same anybody who's stuck in a small suburban kind of like You know locked downtown of a couple thousand and then they you mean one of the first ones to go to a big university

And all of a sudden they're surrounded by people from all walks of life most of the time they come back being like oh That's life isn't like this and then you know that can cause that can cause Friction with those at home or what have you but yeah, it's like that idea But it's also propaganda. It's also explains how you can have One half of the united states believe one thing and one half believe another and both be totally 100 convinced of their beliefs Uh, it's you know, it's one of those things where people living in the soviet union If you want to look at it from that angle people living in the soviet union being like we are

the greatest uh Nation on earth and then they like fleet of the west and like oh my god. Wait a minute. Hold on. I was wrong Yeah, yeah, it's exactly that it's why you know like I'll tell you right now like if I ended up in norway by accident somehow You know I might Stay there forever Hang out for a little bit. I'm just saying just saying I just wait and see how everything shakes out for a little bit

Yeah, and everything's also personal. They mentioned they were lured there or there I'm not sure exactly what phrase you used But I mean to me whatever it is that you said sounded like oh, they probably met a nice young lady Or like a feller over there or whatever. I'm not sure Compromat like you know like if you go back we'll put this picture of you having sex with this with this kid or something too Right. Yeah. I mean who knows just a million things mind control is what you're saying, right? Yeah Yeah, but all kinds of ways to convert from like real brainwashing if a term like that exists Clearly it's like I went to a place and I experienced something new and it changed how I see things

And now I view life this way And that's I think is the closest we can get to to actual brainwashing I don't think you know like and now you are one of us exists. I don't know that's real hive mind. Yeah, right Well, when we cover cults one day we can we can probably dive into that a little bit. Yeah, I mean look That's that is as close to brainwashing as you can get and it's not like Jonestown is such a good example. It's like the same thing is like how uh, you know 1984 They write about the thought police and how like thinking about stuff is going to be the thing that

Becomes a crime in the future and then in real life like instead of it being like a government that tracks you down It's just like everyone else everybody who who's listening like judges you, you know It's the same kind of deal like brainwashing like the way we imagine it is Uh, a wizard does a sleight of hand on you and puts mind control dust in your face or whatever But in reality, it's just like a web of emotional manipulation over years, you know from somebody who's higher Think of thing. Yeah, exactly exactly and who's to say that's not brainwashing. You know what I mean I'm sure that tons of people in cults will tell you that it didn't feel like they could just leave Yeah, oh, absolutely. I mean you can even again abusive relationships are similar, right? Like it's the same idea

So we're going to talk about for this episode. It's going to be the only episode We really focus on one person in one incident and the reason we're going to be franking on the frank olsen incident So heavily is because the frank olsen incident in my mind in my opinion Holy encapsulates not only the government, but really mk ultra and what it's all about not only the government Not only does it talk about and what we're going to see what the lengths they were willing to go to to Really try and crack mind control But the lengths that the government went instantly to cover this up for multiple decades

And when it finally came out was around the time when mk ultra was just kind of coming forward in the 70s and 80s Like why would the government like okay? Just for this outside observer, you know what I mean? Like when the government doesn't Just tell you what it's doing like You know tell you but they tell you lies But that's what I mean like if they're not if they're like straight up lying and they're covering up everything they're doing There's no way that's like chill. There's no way that like it getting out in the world

It's gonna land It happens. I love y'all that happens all the time Like the fact that if they can just wait make it wait 10 years 20 years And then it comes out the outrage then compared to the outrage of when it happens It's gonna be so much smaller maybe maybe in like maybe in like the public court of opinion But but like you know in the books of history like we know about mk ultra now Like we know like it's gonna come out like you're not I guess like you get to live your life But you know your legacy is gonna be tarnished if you torture. I just don't think they give a shit

No, exactly. It's just great. It's just you stare at it and you think about it and you're like This is the type of thinking at the center of like what drives our country. You know what I mean? Like yes It hasn't changed. It's weird It makes you wonder what's going on right now like beyond what we already know that's atrocious That's happening in the news right now. Yeah, it's it's bonkers, dude So frank ulson particularly is a swedish immigrant that came to the us and earned his phd at the university of wisconsin Married one of his classmates and was living of course the american dream for quite some time However, eventually ulson was called to active duty as lieutenant in order to report to forthood texas during world war two

He was in training at forthood when on december 26 1942 He received a call from ira baldoin and if that name sounds familiar because we talked about in episode one He was the scientist who was so desperate to get like shit going in terms of testing like lsd and stuff um baldoin was also his thesis advisor at university So that's where their paths cross and baldoin wanted ulson because ulson had studied aerosol delivery systems at wisconsin And so at baldoin's request the army transferred ulson to edgwood arsenal in in maryland and a few months later the chemical cores

Uh, which members the renaming of what was happening at four detrick took over camp detrick and ulson moved in So right then is when camp detrick became taken over by chemical corps Ulson was discharged from the army in 1944 But remained at camp detrick on a civilian contract He continued his work into an aerobiology and he co-authored a 220 page study entitled experimental airborne infections that described experiments Uh with airborne clouds of highly infectious agents at first all to say at first you said that and it made me think of like Like a book like a cookbook like experimenting with airborne infections just get two two strains and go crazy

Just follow your heart make a mixture that expresses how you feel at the time Yeah, that's pretty much what it sounds like and it's so much worse in 1949 He was one of several scientists from court camp detrick who traveled to the caribbean island of antigua For operation harness which tested the vulnerability of animals to toxic clouds He regularly would travel from fort terry a secret army base on plumb island off the eastern tip of long island Which was used to test toxins too deadly to be brought onto the u.s mainland he became the acting uh He became the acting chief of the special operations division

Where his job description was to collect data of interest to the division with particular emphasis The to the medical the medical biological aspects and coordinate his work with quote other agencies conducting work of a similar or related nature This meant the cia This meant working with the cia and ulsan specialty was the airborne distribution biological germ So all this to say while while the story of ulsan and his victimization of his own project basically ended up killing him Ulsan was heavily a part of not only the creation of mk ultra But the poisons and he was actively overseeing torture sessions happening in uh black sites across europe So he was he was the boss of the whole deal

He was so he wasn't the boss of the whole deal. He was just heavily involved in it So what you're saying is Yeah, we shouldn't feel bad that he flew out of window. Is that what you're trying to tell me nothing? He shouldn't feel bad. They wouldn't flew out of window, but he wasn't a nobody His hands weren't a civilian that was lured in like later on will happen This is still at the point where the military is testing on their own people So does this people like this who are like at that level as him Like do they have a hand in like the magician pie in the poison pie in the bacteria pie?

He has a hand in the bacteria poison pie. He has no and he didn't have a hand in the magician pie I Well, I just there has to just be like a writer's room at the top right like it. I don't how do you come up with your ideas? I don't know. It's just crazy Well from sorry jesse go ahead I didn't say they're gonna say something my bad, uh So from 1944 to 1953 is where he he operated as a civilian within court camp detrick But he stepped down as acting chief of the special operations division citing stress of the job agitating his ulcers

And then he moved and joined the cia So he retired from there and then joined the cia instead He remained with the sod which was officially part of the army But functioned as a cia research station hidden within a military base In his laboratory on camp detrick ulcin directed experiments which which involved gassing or poisoning animals And these experiments disturbed him apparently and his son later recalled in life that he wasn't the right guy for these kinds of things Now I want you to hold on to that because that's what his son said about his animal testing but meanwhile

Ulcin was also observing the torture of human beings while he was never a direct torture himself He observed and monitored torture sessions in several countries Recalling one study he said quote in cia safe houses in germany ulcin Or rather they they the the records quoted ulcin witnessed horrific brutal interrogations on a regular basis Detainees were deemed expendable Suspected spies or moles security leaks or more They were literally interrogated to death in experimental methods combining drugs hypnosis and torture to attempt master brainwashing techniques and memory erasing So they had no evidence that anybody had ever actually been brainwashed ever in the history of mankind

No, no no solid evidence. They were just trying well eventually though all the soldiers were like no It wasn't brainwashing. We were like well within our right minds. We're good Yep, and yet they still just like we're like no no brainwashing is going to work out Yes, they still believe that there is a way to break the human mind and and to program it in such a way that they have total control I mean, I guess but it's just like I guess like bad boyfriends been doing that since the beginning of time Yeah, pretty much Now during all of this as ulcin's doing his own thing

god liab is of course performing his own experiments the experiments in the in the uh The apartments that are back right next to each other for a while the thing that would eventually get closed down But god liab also had a second place that he enjoyed testing things under a bit of a different context A place by the name of deep creek cabin Here he was a cabin. It was a cabin in the woods. I'm surprised. Okay Here he would usually take himself and a handful of scientists as well as inviting others within his field To enjoy a weekend getaway Little did those who were going for the getaway know that during these times

All food and drink would be laced and poisoned in some way so he could watch the effects on his uh on his invited victims And in november of 1943 Ulcin received a coded invitation to a retreat for a cabin on deep creek lake For the 18th in 1953 The when the wednesday the week before thanksgiving that year so we're a week before thanksgiving These retreats were hosted by god liab every few months for the technical services staff in charge of mk ultra and army scientists from the SOD of chemical corps

Since these men worked so closely together and made sense that they have a relaxed environment to exchange ideas and discuss their projects Or at the very least that's how god liab pitched it to them And on 18th of november ulcin was picked up by vincent ruit who had replaced ulcin as the chief of SOD After he left and joined the cia and they headed to the retreat together On thursday evening the group got together and about a dozen in total gathered for drink and dinner Robert lashbrook god liab's right-hand man at the time and one of the few people who knew the full extent of mk Ultra poured everyone in the room a glass of orange flavored liqueur Cointreau is that how you say it by the way?

Cointreau you know you're liquor better than i do. Cointreau Cointreau sorry. Why is this? Cointreau and everybody Cointreau I mean it's exactly how it's spelled. Yeah, it's exactly how true I'm a very very basic man and when it comes to reading By the way he poured everybody When it comes to the reading I'm a very very basic man. Basic. I just sound it out man. That's all I do I don't I don't I don't go any further than that. All right

um But he poured everybody a glass of of Cointreau and everyone drank very hardly 20 minutes later god liab began to ask if anyone was feeling odd and if everybody was feeling okay Several spoke up letting them know things were not exactly feeling great I would never I don't know why but I feel like I never do anything with any of these people if I knew Anything about them like here have a drink. I'd be like no, dude. I'm good Like this is this is air hypnosis Drugging everybody and watching and then 20 minutes later

He stands up grandly dumps his drink into a plant and spins. Is anybody feeling right? Strange He pulls out his spinny glasses and slides them on to his eyes everybody's like It's air hypnosis. They're like god damn it mark I've tricked you again Do you feel a little off? Oh Well, it's funny because after he asked if anybody was feeling odd and several admitted that they were indeed

Gottlieb revealed grandly that he had spiked the Cointreau. Oh Cointreau quad Fuck it. Whatever Cointreau Cointreau. Yeah with lsd Unsurprisingly, this news was not taken well And everyone soon began to get nervous and get carried away by the drug Unfortunately, they were not far from gone. They were thinking well. Yeah. Yeah, shit They were fully understood. They fully understood what what what Gottlieb had told them before eventually they became Unintelligible Gottlieb even saying that in as time passed in the other room He could hear them all laughing and speaking incoherently with each other. The mood had lightened

That's what he said anyway It's like when uh, somebody like did Gave pcp to the whole cast of titanic in the chowder. Oh my god. What do you remember that? You never heard that story? No, there's what I mean, it's not for this. It's not a mystery But but if you ever want to Have a good ass time go online and look up how one time Somebody spiked the chowder at the titanic cast party rap party Uh with pcp

Oh my god, somebody like stabbed somebody else in the face. Like it was a cia, dude They're still trying to figure out Brainwashing to this day. It was leo. Absolutely looks like we're gonna get crazy everyone Anyway, the next morning after the lsd dosing the group was only slightly better off than they were the night prior The meeting eventually broke up and ulcin headed home to fred rick meller maryland He never however properly recovered From that point on ulcin was paranoid Concerned and questioning a lot of the things he had done in the past and what had happened to him while he was there

Let's be very clear This is not related to lsd. This is related to your friend Drugging you You mean like I don't know who to trust anymore. That's what that is Absolutely correct. Initially when I was doing the reading a lot of like his actions for a minute I was like, did he experience like ego death? I wonder and like everything felt different But it became clear the more you we go. It is truly like. Oh my god. Who can I trust? When ulcin returned home, he was a changed man completely

He was no longer able to focus and he was incredibly distant He eventually blurted to his wife the following I've made a terrible mistake He did not elaborate made a huge mistake michael exactly Yeah, he did not elaborate and in an effort to cheer everyone up Ulcin and his wife alice attended the movies. So she he simply said to her I've made a terrible mistake and then it was like we got to go to the movies Let's just throw in future. I'm gonna chill out for a couple hours. Yeah, let's just fucking go

Unfortunately, the film was martin luther the story of a man stricken by conscious who decides to risk everything by proclaiming He believes it was very eerily prescient of what was to come On monday the 23rd of november still in 1953 Ulcin showed up early to work at camp detrick and waited for ruit to show up Even four days on from the exposure. This is four days after it all happened Neither was feeling up to par and ulcin began to vomit out his fears and doubts toward ruit directly Asking himself as she if he should resign or if he should be fired Ruit attempted to calm ulcin the best he could

But this scenario repeated the next day and it was then that ruit decided that ulcin needed more help And where could help be found but in new york city See the smart decision would be for ruit to take got liab to a proper hospital or institution to be treated But that's not how things worked with an mk ultra or the government at this point Ruit called got liab who suggested that they actually take ulcin to a man by the name of herald abramson Ulcin agreed and went back to pack his suitcase and say goodbye to his family letting them know that he was going to get treatment and hopefully be better Alice's wife accompanied him on the first leg of the journey to washington where ulcin and ruit would continue on to new york Ulcin promised his wife that he would be home from thanksgiving and the couple said goodbye

It was here that they also picked up lashbrook for the journey, but his wife would never see him again Ruit took ulcin to abramson where ulcin told abramson everything that had been happening since the original dosing abramson was a doctor but he was a doctor directly under the employ of mk ultra and uh very very um Seriously put the secrets of mk ultra as a priority above those The of the lives that he oversaw abramson eventually joined the trio Bring a bottle of bourbon and several tablets of nem butol a bar our barbituate used to induce sleep

But not recommended in conjunction with alcohol. Unfortunately that didn't happen And the group talked until midnight and abramson advised that ulcin take a couple nem a nem butol before bed Now it's very important to note here that abramson was not a psychiatrist He was chosen for his loyalty to mk ultra and his experience with lsd specifically Just he's like a sherpa. He's like a like drug sherpa. He'd know he does have medical training But he's not a psychiatrist. He's more of just like a doctor like a physician. Okay. Yeah, not he's not not this The next morning ruit then took ulcin to cease to see cia contracted magician john mulholland A later report suggested that mulholland may have tried to hypnotize ulcin which caused the paranoia ulcin felt later on

no fucking way the building which To flee the building which he did and then ruit had to go in pursuit so We don't know we have no idea but it's just from tangential interviews and in memos We think mulholland was like all right We're gonna hypnosis him out of lsd problems and it freaked him out and he fucking ran and ruit chaser Here's the thing right about that, right? It doesn't work. No. No, just go online and look up a video of somebody taking salvia

Right, if you if you just look it up like there's the there's the famous guy who does the who does driving on salvia That's a great video. Don't watch that one watch Like there's usually a video of two boys. Yeah, somebody in a living room Yeah, yeah, and they they hit like a big ass bong full of salvia Binds It only lasts it only lasts a few minutes. It's it's probably more disorienting than lsd I would have to say but nine times out of ten somebody's going out the damn window somebody just walks out the goddamn window Well, he didn't walk out the window here. He just ran out the building paranoid from this encounter with john mulholland

But uh, honestly any any magician makes me paranoid. You can't trust them dude. I'm just saying like there's something about being Like uh psychedically enhanced that you want to be now outside And now i'm going to return your sanity on the count of three. You are sane one sane sane sane sane sane Three and he just runs out the building probably then yeah, no, probably However, ruit did eventually catch up to ulcin in the next morning ruit took ulcin to see uh, i'm sorry The that night rather ruit caught up to ulcin and then ruit and ulcin went and caught up with lashbrook Who then they took on uh, the three of them took a stroll along broadway and purchased tickets for the musical me and juliet

ulcin insisted on leaving at intermission Fearing he would be arrested at the end of the show for some reason or another And despite ruit personally guaranteeing ulcin would make it home for Thanksgiving Just just because he's like fucking wild and out like he's just having a freak out Yeah, so well, yeah, hang on one second. We finished this part and i'll i'll talk a little we're gonna dive in a little bit more So he but ruit personally guaranteed ulcin would be home by Thanksgiving But ulcin insisted on leaving no matter what lashbrook however remained at the theater to finish the musical While ruit and ulcin returned to the statler hotel for bed

So at this point we're four days out after his lsd experience and at this point we're you know, we're not going into too deeply but ulcin is is Not only just paranoid with ruit, but he's openly speaking with people about what he thinks he should do He's at a point right now where he is on the verge of Starting to just tell people like you want me to tell people what actually is happening. We're torturing people We're like doing this. Yes, but but it's because it happened to him And once it happened to him suddenly his conscience kind of kicked in about the whole thing But on top of it because it happened to him and it was who happened to somebody who he

Implicitly trusted and was his higher up He now is is doing that whole thing where you see in spy movies where like he's waffling back and forth And whether she should come clean and come not come clean and he's telling all the wrong people He's like the classic guy that the action hero needs to come get like john wicks coming in to get you out Literally, yeah, correct somebody who has the betterment of the country in mind The superhero of the movie needs to come in and scoop him out But it's not going to happen and everybody he's talking to are people he thought he could trust But they all have mk ultra as their priority over him

Regardless the next morning ruit woke up at 5 30 This is now Thanksgiving morning to discover that olsen had gone missing Ruit collected flashbrook who had finished the musical the night before and they began their search Lucky for them. Olsen was just sitting in the lobby of the hotel and told them that he had been He had wandered aimlessly through the city and thrown away his all of his wallet and all of his ids So while they went to bed Olsen literally went to the new york city and hooked all forms of identification and his wallet gone Dude, this guy just lost his mind. This guy was not ready for prime time

No, absolutely not Olsen still planned on being home for dinner, however with his family and the trio of lashbrook olsen and ruit boarded a plane to washington Ruit and olsen got into a car to return olsen to his family But soon after they began the journey olsen demanded that the car stop right now Explaining that he was ashamed to see his family in his current state and he could not bear to show his face to them Ruit suggested olsen may benefit from another session with abramson and olsen Relented and agreed The pair instead of driving back home for thanksgiving drove back to washington and picked lashbrook back up

And got liip who had broken his holiday plans after hearing about the morning's incident also joined them Olsen olsen was very quickly becoming a big security risk to mk ultra Got liip ordered ruit to drive to maryland and tell the olsen family that frank would not be home for dinner Then ruit lashbrook and olsen drove back to washington and took a return flight to new york Olsen and lashbrook took a taxi to abramson's weekend home on long island where abramson remember the doctor Spent an hour with olsen and 20 minutes Uh, I spent an hour with olsen and 20 minutes with lashbrook before checking into a guest house at a nearby cold spring harbor The next morning abramson lashbrook and olsen

drove back to manhattan abramson conducted another session with olsen and persuaded him that he should agree to be hospitalized as a voluntary patient rather than a committed rather than a commitment by legal authority And at at a maryland sanatorium known as chestnut lodge Olsen and lashbrook left and checked into statler hotel for one last night in room 1018 a With the intent of going to chestnut lodge the next day That night over dinner olsen told lashbrook that he was actually looking forward to his hospitalization Using on what books he would read and how he would keep himself entertained

Almost as though it would be a getaway that would get everything set straight Lashbrook later recounted that he was quote almost the dr. Olsen. I knew before the experiment end quote After dinner olsen returned to the room Washed his socks in the sink watch television for a little while and laid down for sleep But he would not see the next day as at 2 55 in the morning Olsen went out the window toed Immediately after olsen had gone through the window lashbrook called gotly ab to report what happened

Gottlieb then dialed the number to the duty officer at cia headquarters and Gottlieb reported that there had been an incident in a hotel in new york city Involving a death and that it required immediate action The duty officer phoned sheffield edwards and told him that quote an agency employee assigned to an eye Oh eyes only project at camp detrick had committed suicide in new york end quote Edwards gave the duty officer two instructions one call lashbrook and form him to move to another room in the statler hotel and quote Talk to nobody until we get someone there with him

and two Summon Gottlieb and Gottlieb's boss chief of technical services staff gib gibbons to quarters eye An unmarked cia building near the Lincoln memorial. They were moving everybody into position getting everybody set up for the cover-up Edwards met with Gottlieb and Gibbons and later reported that he quote questioned dr. Gibbons and dr. Gottlieb at some length on certain matters That had occurred prior to this incident Edwards had been the co-creator of bluebird and knew what information he was looking for in this investigation Bluebird being the one remember they named it that because they tried to get their people to sing like a bird It was more interrogation techniques with torture mind control, etc

And it was during this question and the Gottlieb revealed a key piece of the puzzle Olsen cia colleagues have given him lsd without his knowledge nine days before his death. This is at the the cabin From there edwards designed from there edwards finally was able to design a proper cover-up Can I Actually never mind. I think you're about to say it. My question is and we'll see if we get there We know what happened Now today But at the time

What did they say? Was the reason for his death and I think that's what you're getting to we're literally getting into it Gotcha. So edwards doing the investigation wasn't doing the investigation to get the truth He was doing the investigation to know how to set the cover-up So first the first step on the cover-up the new york police would be persuaded not to investigate and to cooperate and misleading the press Second a fake career would be constructed for lashbrook who was the sole witness Who as the sole witness would be questioned by investigators and could under no circumstances be recognized as working for the cia much less mk ultra

third the olsen family would have to be informed Placated and kept cooperative. This became godly of the assignment Find a trusted man to break the news to the now widow and this job fell to vincent ruit The man who was ushering him around and the one who the wife knew rather well And they all went along with it Ruin ruit told alice olsen that her husband had been a new york hotel and quote fell or jumped Through the window to his death This phrase came to haunt the nine-year eric olsen the nine-year-old eric olsen

So the son heard this and he never forgot it. How could you? right Back in new york agent james mccord known at that point in time simply as agent mixy Arrived the statler to make the police investigation disappear. It's true. He actually his name didn't come out for another decade or two I believe it was early l 80s when we learned who this man was But at the time it was simply we only knew him as agent mixy This is ridiculous. He went he joined and arrived at the statler hotel to make the police investigation disappear mccord is a footnote in american political history for being one of the watergate burglars by the way

mixy later Yeah, ten years later. He's yeah, he's the watergate burglar. Yeah Mccord spent an hour questioning lashbrook who had just escaped from his detention with new york's fourth 14th precinct mccord told lashbrook to go to the morgue to identify olsen's body while mccord himself searched room 1018a in nearby rooms When lashbrook returned he made a series of calls one of which was to got liib who suggested lashbrook go to abram sins that night Pick up a report and bring the burrport to washington and lashbrook acquired the report to And took it back to washington on the midnight train I know a lot of names are flying around so if there's somebody you forget who it is just ask and I will clarify for you

CIA security officers took care of the remaining details while investigating police detectives concluded that olsen had died of multiple fractures Quote subsequent upon a jump or fall quote. This is what became the official narrative So that's that was a narrative jesse. He jumped or fell out of a window. Do they say why suicide? Like why did he commit suicide in their in their estimation? What they tell the family stress from his jobs prior uh things that led up to like the basically like Unfortunately for the family they they have the luxury of saying he was part of top secret things that we can't talk about Right because that's like what he's saying to them at home too, right? Yeah, but there's still more So we'll keep going

After olsen's funeral lashbrook and got liab visited alice They both told alice that her husband was a fine man and that he would be sorely missed Alice was gracious and hospitable, but she speculated that they had come back to check on her to see uh Pay him back to check on her to see if she was going to be a risk to them or the organization So alice ain't stupid. She's been with her husband for however many years She immediately assumed that they were here trying to placate her and she went along Saying everything was fine and that she'd be okay The cia general counsel lorenz lorenz houston spent two weeks reviewing what he called quote

All the information available to the agency relating to the death of dr. Frank olsen He summarized his findings in a memorandum It is my conclusion that the death of dr. Olsen is the result of circumstances arising out of an experiment Undertaken in the course of his official duties for the u.s. Government and that there is therefore a direct casual connection between the accident And his death I am not happy with what seems to be a very casual attitude on the part of the tss representatives to the way this experiment was Conducted and to their remarks that this is just one of the risks running with scientific experimentation A death occurred which might have been prevented and the agency as a whole

Particularly the director were caught completely by surprise in a most embarrassing manner end quote houston handed the memo to the cia inspector general lineman kirk patrick An oss veteran who had been with the agency since the very beginning Dulles had had asked kirk patrick to investigate olsen's death But was sparse with the details quote some time ago Olsen had participated in an experiment that might have involved lsd and this experiment might have contributed to a suicide and quote Yeah, maybe I mean dulles. Yeah, go ahead man. Go ahead get it out. Get it out I'm watching I basically as this podcast goes who's those who can't see

We watch as alex kind of rises in tension and then we finally get to a point You just he just goes he just collapses on himself and just goes I mean they killed him because he was being Wrong, he was just acting not right, right? Like he was he was he was he was threatening to reveal what was happening He got him high as fuck and they threw him out a window, right? We'll find out. Okay. I can't spoil. We can't jump to the end. I'm just saying But we know we know an ending for sure We we have a pretty solid ending come on

We will never know for sure because the paperwork and all that shit got destroyed They put this man on drugs and then they did what uncle phil does to dj jazzy jeff every time he comes over It's important to know it is important to know though like behind the scenes ruin everybody all the while are talking about how It's dangerous that olsen keeps that isn't able to keep his shit to himself. Well, I mean If you think about olsen just as a person Everything you've said Literally the man developed all these things that he's like i'm doing this for the good of the country And i'm creating all of these different things that you know mk ultra and the government are using to see

Are using and then he goes to europe and he sees them use it and he's like Oh, no I'm a bad guy That's but but he was seeing he was seeing all that before his experimentation It wasn't until after he got experimented on that he suddenly cared Well, I mean I maybe there is a moment where jesse. I swear to god I was taking an uber in san jose one time and i was talking to my uber driver and my uber driver went and did ayahuasca in the jungle

And came back and this was like a weekend trip. She was gonna take she came back and two days later So he adopted a child. She didn't know she was gonna adopt two days before Yeah, no, I look I get that drugs can have that effect on you and make you like change Big things about your life because you sort of open your mind to whatever the universe, but It it does it does make you think like oh this guy Realized at a certain point that the things he thought he was doing that were good Or actually not good at all. Yes, and yeah, I get you know, you can very much understand how the government would be like Well, he's developed a conscience

Enough of this Remove him Yeah, all right so after houston handed down that memo um the one saying you know kind of being very vague about the the uh Investigation dulls were also impressed upon kirk patrick that based on allsons verdict of death by quote classified illness Unquote alice would soon begin receiving survivors benefits and any other conclusion other than classified illness would begin to create problems for her After interviewing harold abramson kirk patrick turned his report into dulls Quote there should be immediate there should be immediately established a high-level intra agency board

Which should review all tss experiments and give approval to any in which Human beings are involved and quote because you know when shit goes bad The best thing to do is just create a second internal bureau filled with the people that are already on board with this fucking experiment That'll stop it. Well, they're not gonna stop. They're just gonna get quieter. They're gonna get quieter about it They're gonna do it in you the on up in an off-site black site location dulls who knew the full breath of mk ultra and that his this and that this suggestion could not be followed Instead chose to sign brief letters on admonishing good gib gibbons

His deputy james drum and got liab the letters were not reprimands and no personal personnel file notations were made The letters were as follows to gibbons and drum quote The unwitting application of lsd and an experiment with which you are familiar to be an indication of bad judgment end quote To got liab he said clean it up gentlemen Yeah, I have personally reviewed your the files from your office concerning the use of a drug on an unwitting group of individuals In recommending the unwitting application of the drug to your superior You did not give sufficient emphasis to the necessity for medical collaboration And for proper consideration of the rights of the individual to whom it was being administered

This is to inform you that it is my opinion that you exercise poor judgment in this case That's it That's what they got here was this 53 53 this this is Alex is right I can imagine all these guys and like kind of brown suits They're like smoky rooms being like clean it up gentlemen Right, that is exactly what this is. They were like just kill him. Just kill him. Just get him high tail kill him

We'll say it's an accident. We'll cover it up. We'll cover up an accident No one will ever even Bother to worry about whether or not we killed him It doesn't a man puts out a cigarette in an ashtray and they all stand up and they're like get to work gentlemen great Do you know that's what this is? A guy in like ridiculously large glasses is like right away, sir. Yeah. Oh, yeah But that ends 1953 Robert Olson is then dead and the public

Accepts the excuse for his death and his family more or less Swallows the excuse. I bet that kid. I bet that kid was like. Mm-hmm. Hell no now for now 1954 saw a breakthrough for the government A chemist by the name of Eli Lilly had finally cracked the code on the Eli Lilly The Eli Lilly that's like a real that's like a real important name in history. All right, please continue Maybe this is him or her. I don't know the chemist Eli Lilly had finally cracked the code on lsd and could produce tonnage quantities of it The cia paid Eli Lilly

$400,000 in 2020 money. That's very close to four million dollars for a mass purchase of lsd I gotta look this up a steady supply of lsd Gottlieb devoted himself to receiving research projects that might bring the project closer to what he believed Must be the drugs inner secret. Is that lily like Cialis like Eli Lilly as in Eli Lilly the major pharmaceutical company. That's what i'm looking at right now There are people who did like Eli li li

Yeah, Eli Lilly and company are the huge they do Simbalta the depression drug They do a bunch of diabetes drugs. They're cialis. They're cialis. It's got to be the same one. It's got to absolutely be the same one It's his grandson Ah, it's his last name after fame their quotes Eli Lilly. Okay. Yeah, he cracked lsd Eli Lilly figured out how to manufacture lsd. Hi. Yeah. Yeah, right? Oh, wait, what? The company was founded in 1876. Yeah, this is grand named after colonel Eli Lilly an american pharmaceutical guy Oh, I guess remember

Eli Lilly Eli Lilly cracked the lsd code without the help of the cia. This is an independent company This isn't the 50s. You're telling me. Yeah, this is the 50s 1954. You're talking about the actual company not a person No, the person is his grandson Eli Lilly figured it out Eli Lilly jr. He's he's the he's the grandson of the of the colonel from the civil war. It's a yeah It's it's it's a it's a generational down in the 70s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's one They his oh, yeah, but that guy but his company go his his grandson goes on the crack a whole damn family right now He turned lsd into m&m's basically Yeah, basically

A systemic study would require controlled experimentation, which meant administering lsd to him. It was his art interrupt It was his grandson There's his kids were just alia and elinor and then his grandson. Eli Lilly jr. Is this guy That's what jr. Is that if you want to look up elie lily jr. On uh On wikipedia It says elie lily industrialists and the photo is exactly what you imagine an industrialist looks like MK ultra is also a really great picture. Teddy roseville. That's a very close. Yeah But MK ultra is a really great starter like truth conspiracy too because MK ultra touches so much real life like crazy stuff

Like this eventually MK ultra dips into the JFK assassination And like like actuality like JFK was involved in aspects of MK ultra like this touches so much stuff and MK ultra not only touches JFK, but it also touches mafia life because it goes directly into the the bay of pigs Which was Which if you if you do the researcher like if we might talk about it Might be the reason that JFK got assassinated by the mafia in the first place a lot of other things, but anyway um

The systemic studying meant that lsd had to be administered to human subjects in clinical settings where their reactions could be monitored Neither got liab nor is cater of associates at camp detrick had the facilities or professional staff for a research project of that scale and size So it would need to be subcontracted out to facilities that could handle it such as hospitals and medical schools But the facilities could not know that they were under the employ of the cia so What the cia did was fund front groups such as the philanthropic uh I'm gonna butcher this

gex gex gex gexicator fund gexicator fund GES ch i c k t er fund for medical research And juizaya p macy foundation Sorry No, i'm trying to figure out how to pronounce guess. Yeah, how do you spell this good sector? Gex sector that gexicator gexicator, maybe But they basically these are all front groups

The philanthropic from front groups of the cia that offered grants to these places for lsd research There were no lack of takers either These are just a small list of some of the people that accepted the cia funding without realizing they were being funded by the cia massachusetts general hospital Worcester foundation for experimental biology Ionia state hospital mount sinai hospital the university of pennsylvania, minnesota denver, illinois, oklahoma, rochester, texas and indiana harvard berkeley city college of new york columbia mit stanford baylor emory george washington Cornell florida state vanderbilt john hopkins and tulane and a fun fact

Researcher deanna's dad went to florida state university during this time He was at florida state when they were doing lsd But it was confirmed that he but he the father confirmed refused medical experiment experimentation that was happening at the time Let's also be very clear that schools like this have done research, especially for the use of medical marijuana Yeah, you sign up to do drugs in a lot of these places. That's a thing that happens It's a it's a thing exactly. It's a thing that happens. Um, so no big deal medical schools That's the takeaway right no big deal

And of course medical schools at wane university wane state university boston university new york university and the university of maryland That was genuinely what what 1954 was for mk ultra mk ultra launched in 53 and kind of launched with an immediate bungle Then they took m 1954 to figure out how to distribute all this lsd because they had come into it and that was the extent of 1954 for them 1955 would start to see the real ramping up of those Experimentations the results the unwilling subjects both of military and civilian origin and the horrific things that the next Seven to eight years of mk ultra would do to this country And that's what we'll pick up next week. God damn we hit part four Of what I think is going to be five parts. We could wrap it up next week. Children

Yep, the green show. We could wrap up next week But I don't think we will I think we'll have five parts. I really want to cover everything But I really I think olsen was like the the big topic I wanted to cover for today and then next week It's like man It's like they flipped a switch in mk ultra and 55 and they were like fuck everything Let's just do what we want. Well, can I add just a little bit to the end of this olsen saga? Yes, please I found an article because I was busy. I had to dig. I had to dig I was like, I gotta know about the kids and about all we are gonna get to that in a later part

But if you want to just talk about it now, you can't It's fine. Are you talking about 2012 do you have information on that? Yeah, the modern stuff Yeah I'm trying to I don't know what you're trying to do. I mean, I don't got nothing to say It's a guardian article I found from 2012 November 2012 Uh, I don't think I'm referring to a guardian article. I'm looking right now at my script. Well, I gotta go to my I mean I'm my outline. I don't have a script written. What is the info. What is it? All right. Yeah, just to say just say so Uh in the 70s all the information we're talking about came out, right? We're gonna talk about that. Yes. Well in 2012

the Olsen family sued the cia Yes, claiming they're the ones who as alex was pointing out They're the ones who tossed him out the window. Yeah, come on And and so they they sued the cia in 2012 I haven't had enough time to dig deeper than that We'll be talking about that because the lawsuit later on is a big big stressor for the cia

Because the lawsuit that that he raises immediately threatens every single secret to come out and that's kind of what triggers the destruction of a lot of What was he saying if he wasn't saying anything? What was he not talking about? Why is why is there this idea? Anyway, we will cover that jesse for sure. Cool. Probably in part five. It'll be the end of the series Yeah, I just found that like it's a thing. There's I was like, I gotta know more and apparently There's more to know today today's more today. I'm less depressed and more angry at the end of this one Yeah, that's fair. Honestly. What do you prefer though? Like do you prefer the angry? At least I didn't have to like listen to stories of people being completely destroyed here. Okay

I'm gonna we're gonna leave off on this. I am going to give you a teaser as to what next week's episode is Children 55 Gottlieb wrote a memo listing the materials and methods that he was either researching or wished to research with mk Ultra going forward. So here is a taste of all of those things Substances which will promote illegal illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public substances which increase the efficiency of Mentation and perception or perception materials which will prevent or counter like mental facilities like make you smarter think faster like the pill limitless

Limitless. Yeah, interesting materials which will prevent or counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used from Malingering etc like fake cancer fake. Yeah fake shit that would show signs. Not it. Wow materials Which would render the the indication of hypnosis easier of otherwise or otherwise enhance its usefulness substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation torture and coercing during interrogation and so-called brainwashing

So like a disassociation pill I guess materials and physical methods which will Produce amnesia for events proceeding and during the use of interrogation just thinking about like things that I know about and how many of them Have been satisfied by this list. Yeah Um, we're almost there physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of Sceptitious use use substances which produce physical disabling such as paralysis of the legs acute anemia and more substances which will produce quote pure

Euphoria with no subsequent letdown. So a literal high with no problems was that substance? Yeah Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced What a material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult Maintaining a fabrication under under questioning. Basically. They can't like they don't know what to lie anymore. Yeah testimony breaker. Yeah Yep substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men while administered in undetectable amounts That's just weed. Yeah substances which will promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or healing hearing facilities with preferably without permanent effects A knockout pill which can

Sarapticiously be administered in drinks food cigarettes or is an aerosol Which will be used which will be foreused by agent types on an ad hoc basis. Let's be and Sorry go for it. Sorry and last one is a material which can be Sarapticiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts Will make it impossible for a man to perform any physical activity. Whatever I just want to jump in here and say as you listed off all of those It very quickly hit me that the only way to test all of these is on people

The only way you can ever know these work is you test it on people and well some of them like one was Being able to damage the eyes without any long-term effects. Well, the process of realizing if there are any long-term effects Is you literally are just damaging people's eyesight permanently to test it. That's So bonkers, but you make a good point because in 1955 as well They're also blossoming every goddamn assassination idea that they possibly can sure including ways to assassinate prime minister zao and lie of china And takes out to the asian african congress in bandung indonesia explode in mid-air It was a term to have the Exploded in mid-air as they tried to assassinate them operation midnight climax

What you might know if you're a history buff at all, which we'll get into next week um contracting ira ike felt like It goes their tests literally like well, we got to test all this shit And we also really want to assassinate like a lot of different world leaders so down to do that But what if we just did both at the same time and also fucked around with our civilians a bit We'll see what happens. You cannot trust us on a no in a political way. It is so crazy It's so fucking it's It's so nuts. It's so nuts

That's it. That's it boys. Uh, we we can't go into it. We get to talk next week though We're gonna be talking about all the above, uh, but you know other than human torture assassination and all these other terrible experiments We're also going to be talking about the discovery and use of magic mushrooms next week too. Hey We'll do you a little happiness to come your way. Love to see you guys so much for listening If you guys want to listen to more, we're going to go record a mini-sode right now I'm gonna talk about balloon boy on it. So get ready The whole balloon boy on it. We got uh, I'm excited for that. I don't know what that means But it's going to be thrilling. Um, if you want posters if you want mini-sodes if you want, uh,

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