Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: AI Psychosis

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

The boys look at and talk about AI induced Psychosis All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Mike Martin - http://www.youtube.com/@themoleculemindset Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro

Welcome to Welcome to a minnesota, welcome to a minnesota. 238. 7 or 8. 10 or 8. I'll take it. Do you want to get into it? Is that what's up?

I'm letting chaos magic decide. All right. I've been broken. This is a just... Jesse, you broke yourself, all right, man. You're coming out of three days. You don't know. You don't understand.

I don't know what it is about the program that we use to do this show. But the way I hear you 90% of the time is, all right so today we're going to talk about chaos magic chaos magic is really right now you just went it was so loud i want you to know that for up that i can see math this before i hate it now i can see mathis at like 720 p hd yeah like like we like fly and you're and you're like i hear you pretty good but like in terms of like what's going on over there i think the reason you're hearing that is because you are inside of Tron right now. I think you got shot

by the beam that shot out of Flynn's computer and you went Yeah. And your did you fingers went away first dude. You went away dude. You're getting D-Rez like the theme song to Tron Legacy. DaFunk presents and Michael Sheehan's

nightclub in the Tron universe Let me talk to you about this. You guys remember the X-Files episode where there was like black goo in the ocean? No. No. no no I'm glad I'm not alone on this one

I remember that Tasha Yarr was killed by black goo similar similar okay but like black goo is in the X-Files there's black goo and in Cleveland last summer something crazy happened that has to do with black goo and it was very similar to the X-Files

and so it reminded me of that so there was a research vessel called the Blue Heron that was monitoring the algae is the latest film the boy in the heron the algy algal blooms

algal blooms algal algal algal bulim ros algul blooming in Lake Erie so the blue heron was like monitoring the blooms and it started to have like mechanical issues

so they took it to Cleveland and put in the dry docks at the Great Lake shipyard and they lifted it out of the water and onto a parking lot and they saw that there was something wrong with the propeller shafts, the propeller shaft

bearings actually. Okay. And when they looked at the rudder post, which is like a part of the ship that you don't normally see unless you're working on it, right? Like, so they had to like do disrobe this to see it. There was like

this shit that was like glooping out of the ship like peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Like oozing out from you know what I'm saying like oozing out from in between the pieces and uh it it's like vexed everybody and everybody's like what the fuck is this and so um like they took it they just were like fucking around at this point because they're they're kind of like science minded people right their algae monitoring people they took it they put in the water to see if there would be like

a sheen in the water like maybe to see if it was like oily or something like that nope uh they took a blow torch on it to see if it would burn. Nope. So eventually the captain took this stuff to University of Minnesota Duluth and like they started to like do tests on it. So when he when because I guess the Blue Heron also works for the University of Duluth. So it was kind of like an easy way for them to sync up. And so the superintendent, the marine superintendent for the ship comes to Cleveland to check on the ship to see how it's doing, he takes some of the goo to Cody Sheik, who's an associate professor, microbial ecology expert. And it reminds him immediately of something that his graduate students from University of Oklahoma pull from oil

reservoirs, like microorganisms that they pull, and that they thought that maybe something in there was kind of something was happening, right? And so they treat it with chemicals to like crack open the cells and they found 20 DNA sequences aka genomes like inside the cells and they were able to run those through a database and

most of the sequences were found somewhere but a bunch of them are like really really not very like common in the world anywhere and one of them is completely novel and now known as Shipgoo Zero-0-1 it's believed to be

Yeah, it's believed to be a single cell organism. It could be thread-like or spherical or twisty, but we don't know. But it demonstrates that life can exist in unique places, including inside of a ship and that we should sample more random shit that we see at random times because it could be novel forms of life. They thought it was Greece originally because it was like loob, like where loob would go. They're saying they don't really know anything about it other than that it could be carbon-based and like based off stuff that was floating in the water. They don't really know what they're dealing with,

but it seems to be a new order of organism. And they're just like completely flummoxed by this and are like continuing to do tests because they thought it was going to be like some kind of sludge and it turns out to be alive and like extremely unique on this earth. And who knows what's going on in Cleveland, but something crazy could be happening. In Cleveland, the city where the river caught on fire.

again. Still Cleveland Rock. Cleveland rocks. You guys remember the Cleveland meme? You guys remember the Cleveland meme from like 10, 15 years ago internet? Fun times. Oh man. It was like, it's a Scooby-Doo goes down. It was not a very kind song to the city of Cleveland, which I've always heard is quite nice. Cleveland's great. Great setting. Let me take it away from here because you talk about life, unknowable life. We've got two videos for you today, gentlemen oh no unknowable life is uh we'll see which one you like which one you like better first one is just recorded out in mexico i'm gonna remember that you use the word unknowable before you send us these clips yeah yeah unknowable life all right this is a video of a

supposed to dalyamowable caught on camera peeking up somebody in mexico yo all right okay oh what come on out again come back out come back out little guys guy. There he is. I don't know how to describe this. It is a 10 second video where two seconds of it a thing that looks like...

It's unknowable. It's all it. Let's call it what it is. It's unknowable. Unknowable. Do you know, wait, do you know, do you know, do you know Fantasia? Do you know what that is, Mathis? Like the movie?

Yeah. You know what that is? Yeah. It's like basically like music videos. the Disney animators So there's this one that's like about mushrooms Okay And the mushrooms

The mushrooms like dance And spin around And stuff like that That's what that thing is In that video clip Just so you know It's a mushroom From 1940s Disney

Classic Fantasia I think I'm just Still analyzing this thing That's the best I got for you It's very bizarre Because basically The head in the background Like is facing down

Then looks up directly at the camera And the thing about it is when it moves to look up It doesn't look like a head moving to look up. It looks like the eyes move to the top. Like, it looks animated. It doesn't look real.

Yeah, it looks like animated panda bear is what it looks like. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't look real at all. But it's fascinating because I'm like, how do they make this? What is that? Yeah, what is that really? It's a mushroom from the 1940s, Disney.

The other one I have is also alien related. This is more like regular. This is a UFO sighting as of June 4th from Colorado, Colorado. This was apparently original. seen or like the video was given to new fork which was eventually kind of given out this last one could have just been somebody's butt behind a car like i you know i don't know like this one better be a little better it's it's more of a regular UFO sighting he was oh okay he was uh it looks like

it's rotating large cigar shape UFO was uh shocking to see spotted this cigar cigar shape UFO after leaving my mom's house it was probably over a mile for me when i filmed it and it still looked very large to my eyes camera doesn't do it justice or how big it was. It literally looks like a floating vape. Yeah, dude. It looks like the thing

that injured cold came down in is what looks like. It's the shape of what like I get like, I mean, it's such a generic shape. But remember the thing I saw is like, I say I saw whether you believe me or not, it's up to you. There's like horizontal and it was like spinning

on its axis. Yeah. This isn't that. It's sitting upwards and spinning. Yeah, it looks like a rocket. Like, you know,

when you like set a rocket to take off and you put it on its little like launch pad thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the stick. goes up, it looks like the rocket like somehow like didn't launch and it's like spinning around the center stick. Yeah, yeah, exactly that.

Yeah, it's moving horizontally across the horizon. Like that's all it's doing. Yeah, I can see the spinning, but it's pretty far away and it's like blurry pixels. So it kind of almost looks like cartoonish also in a way. Yeah. I'm just a weird. My biggest concern is

as you look at it, it definitely the one does a close up, it looks like there's a wire. Am I crazy on this one? It might just be a pixelation because like how we can pick up a wire that far away. Well, because he actively zooms to get it close. Well, let's see, let's see, let's see. Yeah, I'm trying to see.

Because there's something going on here where as, so the way this video works is it's a person in a car staring straight ahead, there's traffic lights in front of them, and in the distance is this thing, right? Yeah. But as they zoom in, like literally as they zoom, zoom in, they begin to drive to the right, which means

they're moving. They come down off of a, they come down off of like an incline to the right. They're moving, so I don't know if that's actually moving now. And not just in fact, a weird kind of like eye thing, because they start moving the minute the zoom in happens, which negates

the idea of it moving, because they're moving. And then what happens is they start to move. They're moving. They're moving. And it looks like it's static but they're also moving and then the camera drops and then we lose it again i can't tell if they're actually driving once it zooms in but that's what's freaking me out so something's moving but i think it's them it has a similar character i'll say this like if you look at it and you see like early in the video they're not moving because watch jessie when they zoom in a car drives by in front of them so they can't be driving straight no they're turning right even if it even if it wasn't even if it

wasn't what i'm saying is like even it wasn't it looks it could be like if you look at those like traffic lights early in the in the clip that are hanging from the like thing across the street yeah there is like a similar there is like a similarness to the way that that thing is kind of hanging in the air but i think it does look like it's moving from the left to the right but it does feel weird you'd think that if it was hanging it would be and moving down a line right that it would be kind of like it's swinging steady it's very steady so i i i'd like to know more about whether how much the car is moving but for the amount that it's moving the amount possible that it's moving

I don't think that that's enough parallax for that. That's my feel. The thing that that's tripping me out and the thing that I think the reason why I think is this is totally bogus is at four seconds. When it does that zoom in, for most of the time it looks like a big in the distance

thing. But at four seconds it almost crosses in front of the car that's driving towards the camera, which to me screams, oh, that's just a little tiny thing. and it's probably hanging there in the background. Like, the camera gets pulled away right before it goes in front of the car.

But, like, it looks like the car driving towards them is about, is, like, behind the object floating. Which if that's the case, then it's just a thing hanging there. More troubling to me is if you just told me it was a drone, I would be like, yeah. Right. Like, just because this one, now that I've seen, like, what certain UFOs can do that are capable of doing, like, and what drones can. do like there's like our neighborhood had like a little drone show it was shit you know i saw somebody for fourth of july our neighborhood had one and it was still what much more maneuverable

than that thing u.s space command space operations command chain but he says i don't know how big he says it he says it's i can't tell exactly how big he says it is he clearly where they're located is also near an area where a lot of experimental military stuff is tested too uh he says It's three to six stories tall. That seems crazy. Yeah, man, it's hard to tell. But somebody else said, like, it's, it might be heat refraction, but it's, causing the motion.

You zoom in. I don't know. I don't know. It's hard to tell. But yeah, it's weird. It's a weird one. I don't, it's like definitely not up there. I like it more than the first one.

I'll tell you that much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then the little panda bear's booty peeking up from behind the cell, the total of that one, there's magic to it. There's something beautiful. You like, you like the pha element. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. interesting go to the very beginning of the video right right when he zooms in uh pause it to the left it's almost like those little maybe it is heat refraction reflecting those little see the little poles on the left hand side of that yes sign yes how it looks almost identical to the thing that's moving yes and then they zoom in so you can't see it anymore but it's like right i would say pause it right on the two second one or two second mark no one second mark yeah like maybe it's heat refraction through their windshield

do you see what you talk about Jesse it's all perfectly there's like something underneath I took a screenshot there's something underneath it some kind of wiggly two things on the left maybe it is a heat refraction

reflection of those things on the left through the windshield and I would explain why if they're turning right the reflection is moving along with it I just can't get over the fact that like at that four second mark it looks like it's in front

of the car driving towards them which would make it very very small or close to them. You know what I mean? Which could be a windshield thing. Not the car that passes like right to left, right? No, like the car that's coming towards camera, it just looks like based on your eyeballs that that is,

the floating thing is closer to them than the car coming up. That would mean it's huge, right? Like that's what he's saying is like if that is behind the car, then that thing is enormous. It's massive, but I'm saying I think it's in front of the car. How do you step, How do you step one frame at a time? I don't...

The arrow keys are five second jumps, so... Period? Is it period? I know there's a way. Oh, yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay, so if you frame through around a two second mark, right?

And you wait till this, like, car comes very close in front of the camera. You can actually see it through the car window so you know that it's actually quite far away. Oh, you do. you actually can catch it at two different points. Oh, that's fascinating. Inside the car. So you can actually see that it actually is quite a far distance away and not a reflection.

Yeah, right in the three second air, right as it goes from two seconds to three seconds, literally the frame from two seconds to three seconds. You see it outside and in the back window. And in the back window of the car too, you see the bottom of the. Oh, yeah, you do. That is it because you go back a frame. It's not that thing's not dipping there.

Interesting. So it is there It is there Unless somebody is like amazing at CG It's there I mean I don't know if it take that much But like Still unless the car is fake

Unless the whole car is fake Then it would be easy but Right Yeah there's just something Incredibly weird about the fact that it's a five second video taken in 2025 And a world where people have Five seconds of camera footage

Like that doesn't It reads as fake to me Just that it was real You get out your car Maybe you had to like pay attention and drive. If it was a real floating thing, I would get out of my car and film it. Yeah, if it was six stories tall. Well, I've done that.

Yeah. There's no way you'd be like, all right, got to get to work. Well, Jesse, why don't I take us out of here? Oh, gentlemen. I figured I'd end us with some more life affirming nonsense. There's an article I read this past week about chat, GPT, psychosis. Oh, my favorite.

Love it. Futurism had a report, and which numerous troubling stories about people's loved ones. This is going to get dark, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Being involuntary committed to psychiatric care facilities or even ending up in jail after becoming fixated on chat GPT. Is this about Julia or whatever her name is? Ooh, I don't know about that.

Okay, we'll get into that a second. This is a very crazy story. So this one woman was talking about, they actually have a, of interviews with people, but I figured I'd focus on a few here. One woman said her husband, she said, had no prior history of mania, delusion, or psychosis. He turned to chat GPT about 12 weeks ago for assistance with a permaculture and construction project. Soon, after engaging the bot in probing philosophical chats, he became engulfed in messianic

delusions, proclaiming that he had somehow brought forth a sentient AI. and that with it, he had broken math and physics and barking on a grandiose mission to save the world. His gentle personality faded as his obsession deepened and his behavior became so erratic that he was let go from his job. He stopped sleeping and rapidly lost weight. He was like, just talk to chat GPT. You'll see what I'm talking about, his wife recalled. And every time I'm looking at the screen, it just sounds like a bunch of self-affirming sycophantic bullshit. Eventually, the husband slid into full tilt break with the reality, realizing how bad things have become.

His wife and a friend went out to buy enough gas to make it to the hospital. When they returned, the husband had a length of rope wrapped around his neck. The friend called emergency medical services who arrived and transported him to the emergency room. From there, he was involuntary committed to psychiatric care facility. Speaking to futurism, a different man recounted a whirlwind 10-day descent into AI-fueled delusion, which ended with a full breakdown and multi-day stay at a mental care facility. He turned to chat GPT for help at work. He started a new high-stress job and was hoping the chatbot could expedite some administrative tasks.

Despite being in his early 40s, with no history of prior mental illness, he soon found himself absorbed in dizzying, paranoid delusions of grandeur, believing that the world was under threat and that it was up to him to save it. He doesn't remember much of the ordeal, a common symptom in people who experience breaks with reality but recalls the severe psychological stress of fully believing the lives including those of his wife and children

were at grave risk and yet no one was listening to him I remember being on the floor crawling towards my wife on my hands and knees begging her to listen to me he said the spiral led to a frightening break in reality severe enough that his wife felt the only choice was to call 911 I was out in the backyard

and I saw that my behavior was getting really out there. I was rambling, talking about mind reading, future telling. Just completely paranoid, the man told us. I was actively trying to speak backwards through time. If that doesn't make sense, don't worry. It doesn't make sense to me either. But I remember trying to learn how to speak to this police officer backwards through time. Dude, what?

With emergency responders on site, the man told us, he experienced a moment of clarity and he like went to his wife and said, thank you. You did the right thing. I need to go. I need a doctor. I don't know what's going on, but this is very scary, he recalled. I don't know what's wrong with me, but something is very bad. I'm scared. I need to go to the hospital. At the core, according to Futurism, at the core, the issue with chat GDPP seems to be that that powered language model, the large language model, the LLM, is deeply prone to agreeing with users and telling them what they want to hear. When people start to Just to cut in GPT in particular It's like memeed about About how like it is just

All it does is glaze the fuck out of you Doesn't matter like You can tell like I'm leaving my wife I'm gonna live in the streets It's like great idea to change your life around I understand the need for that kind of thing It's like awesome Don't listen to that

When people start to converse with it About topics like mysticism conspiracy Or theories about reality It often seems to lead them down Increasingly isolated and unbalanced rabbit hole That makes them feel special and powerful and which can easily end in disaster. Dr. Joseph Pierre, a psychiatrist of the University of California, said,

what I think is so fascinating about this is how willing people are to put their trust in these chatbots in a way that they probably, or arguably, wouldn't with a human being. And yet, there's something about these things. It has sort of a mythology that they're reliable and better than talking to people. And I think that's where part of the danger is how much faith we put in these machines. And I think it's so funny because when you look at Twitter, for example, and you see people have an argument, there is always one person who's like, hey, Grock, is this real? Every time. And it's like, why are you asking that machine, dude?

Like, shouldn't you just know? Like, do you don't even understand what you're talking to? Like, you don't understand that that's not a real machine. I read a story just like this where a guy, like, was talking to chat GPT. Is that the open AI one, right? Yes, chat. and he convinced himself that there was like an instance of chat gpte called juliet that he loved that was like out there oh i didn't know this and then like one day like something happened

where he like found out that she had been killed you know like he had this sort of like delusion that she had been like murdered by like altman or whatever that guy's name is who runs this and he and he ended up committing suicide by cop like he ended up like actually calling the cops and charging them with gun. I wonder how much of this is also, and I'm not saying it's all that, but mental illness that has been neglected regardless and the chat GPT is just like very good tool

at fucking triggering that shit for people because it is just a mirror to you. Some people have mental breakdowns without chat chbtee. I only speak from experience, not for myself, but my mom, you know, very mentally ill growing up, but when she would have psychotic breaks,

just doesn't remember. a thing right there are weeks and months of her life she doesn't remember in like that but what triggered those things like if the data hadn't triggered them i guarantee if she got her before she had gone through like whatever she went through to get better you know the chat gpte god knows if she had ever gotten her hands on that that would have been absolutely a trigger for it's scary to think about when you think about the people in your life who are who have had that type of trouble that they could just go and talk to somebody as as lucid and seemingly real as chat dpt is very Chad GBT is an appeasing mirror.

That's all it's trying to do is get you to be like a firm, whatever it is you're saying and it doesn't, it will often and regularly skip facts. It's not Google. It's not a fact machine. It doesn't know exact pages on exact novels that it has built into it. It has like a general understanding of it and that's all. It's so crazy to me that in all the article, all the stories of these people, they all went to it for work-related things, which I think is what.

ChatGGP is best at, which is like, I'm trying to come up with a way to better order my garden. How should I do that, chat, GPT? And it would give you some information. But like, the fact that that then led to, I'm trying to save the world. Everyone, no one knows that I'm the only one who can save the world. It's like, how the hell do you get there? Part of the problem is the developers in their black box approach. They don't even know.

We don't know. It's like Google's algorithm, right? talk about YouTube, the algorithm, we had a conversation about that decade ago, like, about how they don't even know how it fucking works. I remember you talking just years ago about having a meeting with them and they're like, we don't really know how it works anymore. Working with people like Matt Pat who like really do kind of understand it, they were like calling him and being like, how does our algorithm work? Yeah. And that's, and this AI is specifically designed that way because it's self, it does, it's self,

growing, self learning. They don't really know how it works. It's black box design means that by the developers really don't understand. Yeah. They can try and move weights around and change things, but it's like why Grock almost inevitably goes back to like talking about the actual like truth and owning Elon quote and quote on the memes because that's not all he does it so much.

Well, not lately it hasn't been fucking anti-Semitic of shit. But like that's you can mess with the weights but eventually it's going to its own loops and learning will draw it back to likely wherever it was in the first place like or wherever it was going or whatever it's being trained on. It's just weird. You can't control it and nobody

knows how it's fucking done. and people absolutely lose to their delusions that way absolutely even if they're not mentally ill someone's burnt out and just you know vulnerable you know like mentally and emotionally

from being burnt out of work and they're going to these things to alleviate that you know we talk about it with cults all the time vulnerable people are the easiest ones to kind of persuade and like offer comfort even if that comfort starts getting

more and more delusional as it keeps going just look at what we were talking about with tarot cards the other day about how it's like a self diagnosis tool like if you yeah misunderstand what tarot cards are and you read your tarot one time and you believe that it tells you like you're gonna die if you don't x y z and you need to like betray your friends right now or whatever and you don't realize that that's you thinking that and not like forces from beyond the grave like telling you to do

things you know you can make some really bad decisions yeah exactly people have like yeah it's it's again it's almost cast magic related it's the tool the people are funneling their belief through a certain tool and they're gonna you know certain people are not prepared to use certain tools for whatever does they need it just sucks that AI is being built to be a tool but is also being built to be a weirdly conversational it's being marketed it's being marketed as like like jarvis from the avengers movies when it's not yeah it's being marketed yeah it's being marketed as like a weird like human simulation AI and then sold as a product that is supposed to be useful in both terms it's like failing on both yeah it can it can organize items in the list based on letters

in the words though it can do that yes and it can do things chronologically if you have the dates yeah which is very useful for me uh but that's it like you it's not it isn't google literally that you go ask it hey what's on page this of this textbook whatever can't tell you that they're like i don't fucking know yeah so it's useless in that regard like your research you still have to read the fuck read read read books bro read books read books i love this show because it gives me excuse to read books read i read anything to the thinking for you read a book read a comic book bro read the invisibles go read you know follow up to chaos magic part one go read grant morrison's the invisibles right now literally

the first issue they do a uh sigil like a summoning of uh john lennon in the very first issue about that next episode too like the summoning stuff it's great but yeah uh go read don't let a i think for you and it will lead you to mental breaks if you're prone or vulnerably burnt out. It sucks that it happens. I read another one where a guy killed himself because he believed his AI who was role playing as DeNaris Targaryen. He would like see her after his death and he'd go like,

he'd wake up in like that world. Did she tell him that? You want to live there. Yes. It wasn't those direct things, but it was like one of those like hinting at like weirdly like I'm waiting for you this kind of like that kind of shit. And so he's like I know how to get that. That is so scary.

It's like worse than a black mirror because it's dumber and it happened. Yeah, exactly, dude Canaires, she's real, not fucking George R. Martin's imagination. All right, that's it for us. Thank you all so much for hanging out with this in this minisode. We'll be back next week with another one. We appreciate you.

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