Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: Everything is Content

Episode Date: September 14, 2025

Make Money Make Content. Rinse. Repeat. Do not Think.

MAUSE MOW-MOW-MOW-MOW-M-BOW-M-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-D to a non-mystery. Hello, welcome. Welcome to Minisote, uh, 24, I don't know, 215, I don't know, 214, something like that. We were just talking off camera. There's about some like crazy shit happened in the world. And I just need to tell you, boys, I went on Twitter very briefly the other day.

And by the other day, I mean like yesterday. It was a mistake. Uh, I saw the most horrific shit in the world. And everything is a fucking scam now. Has to do, have you boys seen the dude who fucking act shot him? himself on Twitter and then but before he did the last thing he said because he was streaming it live was if I die turned me into a meme coin and as soon as he did meme coins went wild while he literally stayed live dead for 30 minutes on Twitter as he died what time

wait what so on Twitter uh I'm not going to give on the Twitter right that is that what do you like what is that real are you serious don't don't go I'm not going to give his Twitter handle I don't don't go look it up I don't need you to see this Um, it's a dude who was clearly going, I think, through some mental health problems. Clearly. He was streaming about meme coins. And as far as I could gather in my research, he was like a crypto bro who's, I think just again, had mental problems. And he pulled, he was like fucking around that night.

And he had a gun, a pistol. And it like misfired. He's doing like a Russian roulette with it. And he, you know, he survived two of them. Don't know why. And then the third time, and this is the part that I ended up seeing was like, if I end up dying, turn me into a meme coin. And he takes a second, like he has a.

second thought before he just like close his eyes puts the gun to his head and he pulls it twice nothing happens third one you just bang and he drops to the floor and the phone drops and you can hear the blood and breathing and everybody like a ton of people watching that stream immediately turned them into a meme coin and people made fuck tons of money off of it that's where like everything everything in our world and our reality now is like make money make content make money black mirror dude yeah that's the blackest mirror shit in the world happened like two three days ago uh literally googled twitter meme coin death don't do that that's i'm saying but like if you want like happened i mean i've seen some heinous shit why did he do that because he was i don't know

what the whole the whole stream was it was it was all crypto meme coin related and he was very into meme coins i guess and i don't know i don't know but like that's it was that's what it was and then people made money off it and it became a fucking... Do you think he owed somebody money? I think he was in debt just in general, but I just think he was like a down and out guy. He invested in meme coins. Yeah, yeah. He was just a down and out dude. He looked like he was in his early 20s, just a white dude, just fucking put a gun to his head and now is it? And people mean coined off of it and it made like a ton of money. And again, the Twitter, the Twitter live stayed live for 30 minutes after that. And people thought it was fake for a hot second there.

It was not. Luckily, a most desensitized thanks to 2000s earlier internet where nothing was ever censored i've seen some heinous shit but that so your minisode was a fucking snuff film yeah you know it wasn't going to be until we started talking about like the scam the scams and like yeah what the what that's where like dude we're at the end stage capitalism baby that's like but that's like everything can be profited on everything is content everything is profit everything can be how to do I make as much money with as little work as possible? And that's exactly. He literally

said, if I die, turn me into a meme coin. And that's all they needed, baby. And that's, they made bank off that shit. So worst, worst segue ever. Speaking of scams, I got, what's happening? This

next one is so crazy. He was not in a hospital ceiling. No, this one is so crazy I had to check that it was actually, because it was posted yesterday. I had to like make sure it was real because it was so crazy. It's on coast to coast. Basically, the funniest thing ever happened in Turkey, which is that 20, over 24 guys were arrested as part of a complex criminal enterprise in Turkey that fleece people out of like $1.3 million. dollars brother i have this article open just for reading later say yeah i literally have this

we're going to go over this we're going to go over this right now so what this is is a province in turkey uh called tuncelli i think or tune i don't i don't know how to speak this this this language of this world it's a place in in turkey uh that has people visit this area um and they are they encounter these people who travel around and are selling artificially aged maps to treasure so so so first things first so first so first a guy finds you and is like my friend I have a map leading to a secret treasure and it's ancient treasure. Dude, do you, I will sell you this.

This literally happens to you in kingdom come deliverance to a couple of times where a dude's like, I have him. I don't know where he's like, I have this map, I've been looking for this treasure, I can't find it. So tell me, so you, by the end, tell me which, tell me which quest design is better. Okay.

So you buy, so you buy the map from the person, right? And you follow the map to a place. And when you get there, what do you find but fucking buried treasure that looks old so you pull this shit out of the ground and you're like fuck I gotta sell this shit I don't know how I'm gonna sell this

how do I move this what do I do now that I have the treasure it's just fucking like dirty pots shit so what do you do you call back the motherfucker that gave you the map right and the guy that gives you the map is like all right here's what's up I don't know what to do with this shit but I know this priest

okay and the priest knows some people he can get this shit onto the black market for you so I'll put you in touch with the priest the priest shows up at another thing that guy also works as part of the same guys that make the maps by the way oh yeah absolutely

and the priest is like my friend I've got you covered it's going to cost $20,000 up front to move this stuff but I'm going to give you XYZ money back and then you pay this guy because there's no way you're in a con right now because there are three steps to this.

You have gone and dug up treasure. They have found it. This is all set up for you. And then you get fleeced for your money. And so finally what happened was on people realized that they got fucking scammed, like traced it back with the cops and they like got arrested. But what an incredible situation in Turkey. That is.

I love that there was a priest involved like that. They weren't going to at some point go. Yeah. At some point you're going to go, where'd my money go? Like no matter how many steps in the process, you build into the scam, eventually the person's going to go, where's my money? You're going to make him mad? No, 100%.

Yeah, I don't know. It's just, uh, he really, I wonder what the thought was like, well, if we just bring in a priest to this angle, we got the old treasure buried. It's just like a guy we know. Like he comes in, he has a weird energy. He's like, listen, I can move it. Good news is I can move it. The bad news is we're going to do pretty quick. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But it's 20,000 up front, but you're going to make $2 million on the back end. Right. So it's like, I got it. Why wouldn't I? You got to spend money to make money. Yeah. It's better quest design than kingdom come because it really is a good quest design. Yeah, yeah, I love that. That's not like a witcher quest.

Like Geron's like, they stole my money. Legit to kill them all. Legit. That's great. I love that. Jesse, how about you take us out of here? Well, AI has been in the news a lot lately. Yeah. And an interesting study was done that.

I wanted to report back on because it's not about the art AI world, which is already all sorts of an issue, but it does let us into the brain of text-based, like, GPT AI. Ooh, okay. And so a lot of the time, we, when we talk about these things, we're fascinated by the fact that I know Mathis, you like the idea that some of them will text back to you what they're thinking. Yeah, it gives you, it's like word.

It's obviously worded in a way for you to read, but it's supposed to show you, it's supposed to be showing you the reasoning that the AI is doing on the back end. Right. Well, a study was conducted, and I'm just going to read to the first paragraph because it is so technical, but hopefully it'll make sense. Simple letter string analogies and digital matrix problems where the task was to complete a matrix

by identifying the missing digit, humans can perform just fine, but AI models cannot. They always have a problem with it. While testing the robustness of humans and AI models, in story-based analogy problems, the study found that models were susceptible to answer order effects, differences in response due to the order

of treatments in the experiment. And they have problems with that. Altogether. Like reading comprehension? Is that the study saying? I have an example for you. Okay, cool, cool, cool. So co-author Martha Lewis,

who's the assistant professor of neuro-symbolic AI at the University of Amsterdam. Neurosymbolic AI? Neurosymbolic AI. That's from Metal Gear Seasons. solid is what that is. I gave an example of it and it is letter string analogies have the form of

if A B, C, D goes to A, B, C, E, then what does IJKL go to? And most humans will answer IJKM. Because it just moves forward, run, right? Yeah, moves one, yeah. AI will do the exact same thing. However, if you go A, B, B, C, D changes to

A, B, C, D, what does I-J-K-K-L go to? Most humans would just remove the extra K. Yeah. AI, like G-P-T-4, for example, cannot do that. Interesting. It simply won't figure it out. To give a sense of these implications, AI is increasingly used in the legal sphere, for example, in case law analysis, in sentences and recommendations, but with lower ability to make

analogies or to think the way humans do when we see patterns that aren't natural patterns or to think outside the box, it may fail to recognize the legal precedence how they apply slightly different to various different cases as they arise. Given the lack of robustness, the study pointed out that this could be evidence that we need to really reevaluate how we are using this AI model in real life. A great example would be, you know, sometimes math isn't exactly math, you know? Like sometimes two plus two could equal five. You know what I mean?

Of course. The question then becomes, and I think this is the most interesting part, should we be teaching AI two plus two could equal five? That seems dangerous. This is open a whole can of worms because here's the issue, right? Logically the answer is hell no.

I would not want to. The issue also is the genie's already out of the bottle. We cannot stop it. anymore. It's out there, whether we want to do something or not, it's going to be done. Just as Elon, his own AI, talk shit to him. Yeah, like, it's too, like, regulations are so far behind it is too late. And now the question is, okay, now how do we wrangle this thing that's already in existence? And if we're, if, if, like, our, like, our company's going to use this, whether it's nuanced or not. And if answer is yes, then we need to teach, that's, that's what

then we need to teach it nuance because that's the issue that nuance we aren't teaching it why two plus two could equal five it can never it can never know we are teaching it that it's possible because it will never understand yeah we'll never like a chat model we have to teach them the whole thing we have to teach them the whole thing we have to we simply cannot because it will apprehend the idea that something could be completely wrong but somehow right and that messed up because then that's when AI like becomes we kill humans because that's like that shit that's like in order to save humanity we must kill human like that's like that

becomes yeah right yeah and that's the scary part I mean it's weird because like AI is still pretty overall useless most of the time like it's it's in everything now but any work you do with AI like needs to be like triple checked and at that point why are you using it right like if I was to use AI to like do any bit of work or whatever and I have to double triple check what it did it'll be faster for me to just do it on my own yeah like I still think we're like we're rapidly getting better at that kind of thing but it's still a good ways away from being able to just be able like how you think AI where you go do do to do this or do you know this and it just knows it does AI right now pools from the web right yeah well one of the biggest problems

That is currently happening in the AI space is that Russia, as an example, is flooding the web with websites with information that if you would ask an AI, it would pool from those fake-ass websites and give you the information like it was accurate. It's like fucking you up, yeah. Yeah, we already like beat the system, or at least Russia did. And so now AI is pooling from fakeness, not real stuff. But because everyone's like, well, AI knows what's up. And so you have to then program the AI to be like, well, there's some things that aren't true. so now you're teaching AI things aren't true that are that's being told are true so that's a whole other level of like well here we go and then the other side of it too is I read an article a couple

days ago Wikipedia's a server costs have skyrocketed 50% more and it's because of the AI crawlers when they are asked to research something it's like they all go to Wikipedia yeah it's just it's like instantaneous in huge like environmental fuckups yeah yeah it's crazy and like it's like you're using all this energy and like doing all this with the AI and the AI still has to be double triple checked anyway and like unless you're uh at least for the Google version unless you're a paid subscriber you don't get to access the research one which gives you its sources at the end right like you have to prompt the AI to give you sources and then you can't even trust if it's giving you the right sources in the first but again it's all just like just go do it yourself go experience go read a fucking book like I it sucks. going through government papers, but I'd rather do that and, like, actually read the fucking documents than have it be, like, regurged to me.

Right. Also, just because you said that, here's a link to the, to the, I don't know why, just gave you a Chrome extension. Oh, see, it's to me too, dude. You're not the only one. Well, I mean, it is a PDF file, so maybe that's fine. Yeah, I just copy the end part of it, and it should be fine. But, yeah, that's the full study.

Feel free to put that on the episode when it goes up. Downloaded. Oh. That's like, it it's a it's a problem there's a lot of AI problems I think I'm glad that we're doing that now like it we could have waited a while you know what I mean we have we fucking have we're doing it now yeah rather than even further down the line that's true it needs to like that's that's the part I keep grappling with is like as much as I loathe AI it isn't going anywhere man it's it's done like it's that's what upsets me because there's a lot of like just

good old streamer folk that love to antagonize their audience with being like AI's here so just deal with it. You've got to change your game. Like not to name my name is it. Some people are like artists. You have to just be better artists now.

No. No. That's not at all. That's the wrong tape. That's not even how art works. The conversation should be okay. AI is out of the bottle. We can't go back. Where do we go from here? Like are you saying, are you saying that are you saying that like

it's better AI is better than an artist I'm saying that some dudes are out there that's what I mean like saying what are they audience that yeah it's the amount of people I see on Twitter who are literally like I the like studio

the jiblets art I don't want to call it fake ass they're like it's better than the original and I'm like I hurt they're like you can make it faster and cheaper and it looks the exact same

that's just like like In your hand, it's just raising your hand and saying, I don't understand how to read. Oh, I'm on the same boat. Yeah. Yeah. It's alerting everyone that you are stupid as hell. But I don't understand.

Yeah. I think it's something we have to keep in mind too. We have a better eye for AI stuff than the normies. Like we are online in a way where we can look at something and go, that ain't right here. Or at least question it. The amount of people out there who don't and just see something and that are like, oh, it's real is unfathomably large. Don't put me in that. Do not put me...

Because literally... During the fire... No, no, no, no. Like, go on the fire. I know, dude. I know that we... I was like, Alex, oh my God, the Hollywood sign's on fire.

Dude, you were in the text. It got me. Yeah? I was like, oh, at least that's not art. At least that's not art. At least that's not art. Sure, but like, I couldn't tell that wasn't real. And I did no cursory information.

I didn't look it up. I was just so shocked. Dude. And I immediately sent it to you three. Like, holy shit. And you were like, that's not real. And I was like, they got me they got me i have to be more aware of what sources are a i generated news clippings

now and stuff too like i've like in early when the i was still kind of getting going online i've had i use sources that i didn't not realize where i generate until later hell on a minisode what was it a few months ago we had that article i read off coast to coast you're like is this ai like yeah it's like that's what we're it just makes our jobs harder impossible i can't even imagine teachers look um man, dude. To every teacher in this country, bless your sweet souls. I don't know, I don't know how you do it because it not just adds AI to the mix,

but it also adds students refusing to actually do research and learn stuff. Meanwhile, hilariously in places like Finland, they're teaching their students how to spot fake news and AI articles. It's so important, but we'll never, not in America, bro. They're going to our politics. Europe is going to lap us. Oh, yeah. bro i'm sitting here ready to learn and at you know add to the world and it's fun and nobody's nobody's here nobody's here to nobody's here to nobody wants to like trust me like i don't have a

lot of money you know i'm not a wealthy person like i try to pitch and produce things constantly based on value and substance and i'm going to tell you what i run into every to every single time for 10 years is just people telling me oh people uh don't care about that you know what I mean and it's uh design like the brain rot is by design and it's it's it's I mean that's an AI is the is like quite irresponsible and anti-human oh yeah but like what are we so like down the and that's the question's like okay now what do we fucking do like you need to get post some regulation still out there we can still regulate it in some way we're putting kids back into factories dude like I don't know I don't know to tell you we don't need we don't

kids to think anymore. They could just be meat for the meat grinder while the AI does all the thinking bits for us and we don't go to Wally. We go to like the dystopian version of that like cyberpunk. We're going to cyberpunk without the good shit. We are 100% headed towards cyberpunk

minus the cool parts of cyberpunk. Which is even more depressed. Not even like the cool parts of cyberpunk. I'm not going to have a robot dog. I'm going to have a no job dog. Dude, isn't that truly dystopian? Is it not truly dystopian? You're just going to die.

Is it not truly dystopian, Jesse, that you live in a reality where only your video game version of you gets that robot dong, but you only get to experience through a 2D monitor? I must stress to you right now, as of today, my robot dong will be on a Nintendo system, and that's hilarious. Let's go. Let's go. You can conceivably blow Jesse's dick up on launch day. On a Nintendo system. On Nintendo Switch 2. People only know us from this show.

cyberpunk 2077 go play it jesse's in there that's so funny yeah it's it must be funny if you're just a chilemonati podcast listener to imagine that jesse is like a quest in cyberpunk yeah and uh it's about my dick that's fucking it's fucking funny dude yeah now it's on nintendo that's just right i have never i've put 50 hours in that game and i have yet to run across you literally right next to where you start the game after the intro really that's hilarious you just have to get in a goddamn car bro yeah i guess so i like to walk around you'll get the screaming yeah fair enough uh thank you all so much as we listening to us rip apart a i have a really black mirror episode honestly um from from beginning and a hilarious uh treasure map con intermission just does fits right in between the fucking like

worst two things that i've ever heard about in my life hey man rifting fits in just fine with all of this yeah it really does it's just fits thank you guys so much for listening we'll be back next to another minnesota we appreciate We love you. Bye, bye. Goodbye. Bye.