Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini - Is Our Planet in a VOID in Space?

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

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Yikes. 2.39. I don't know. Something like that. 469, baby. All done with our chaos magic series. I'm excited to see what the boys have got. for me on this week.

I don't know if you have anything you want to go first, last, where you want to go. I got a good big chunker. I don't know what that means. I got a little short boy. I'll start first. Okay. So I'm sure anyone who has read the news over the last couple of weeks and or been on Reddit, this popped up a bunch and it is something we've talked about before, but in a different

capacity because science hit it from a different angle. But now there's even more science that is another kind of weird. thing where I'm sure if you've seen it, basically Earth may be trapped inside a giant void in space. I think I have seen this. I don't know. I remember you brought us the tube.

You brought us the tube. This is a different beast. Similar vibe, different kind of explainer. So the Earth, as well as the rest of the Milky Way, could be floating in a billion light ear wide cosmic void, according to new research. By looking at echoes,

like massive so while our galaxy is fine technically because we're all close to each other in a galactic scale other galaxies could be very very very far away um by looking at echoes left by sound waves big bang a team of astronomers discovered that our corner of the universe could be far emptier than we first thought if true the theory could answer one of the biggest problems with cosmology which is hubble tension this idea that our universe is expanding, but how fast it expands depends on how you look at it.

Which is a whole weird thing that I don't quite... It sounds like a skybox bro. Yeah, dude. I mean, maybe. Astronomers have long battled with this issue when they measured the expansion rate by looking at distant universes it's slower

than when they look at things that are in, like, closer to us, right? And they're like, that makes no sense. How's that possible? If it was a big bang, everything should move the same speed. Well, a potential solution could be the fact that we are at the center of a large local void, said Dr. Indrani-Indranal-Bannick from the University of Port Smith. At the center of the void.

At the center of the void, yeah. That makes me think that, like, Reed Richards did it. The center is crazy. Well, this is because the regions around the void have a higher density of galaxies, and their gravitational pool would slowly coax galaxies not at the center towards them over time. And it would empty the region out. As the voids emptying out,

the velocity of objects away from us will be larger than closer to us. In other words, it would make local universe appear to be expanding faster than it actually is. Oh, okay, I see. Like an optical loop. It would be, everything close to us seems moving fast

because it's moving away from. us quickly, but everything further away is moving slowly because it's already way far away and moving at a constant rate while it's pooling things away from us. So it's like an optical illusion. Basically, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's fucking with our readings because we're telling it something different than what's actually out there, which is a distortion of time and space. Yes.

That's cool. It's crazy. I love that. So this Hubble tension, basically the void would need to be around 1 billion light years wide with a galaxy density 20% lower than the universe's average. So it doesn't mean it's like a black void of nothing. Just there's significantly less galaxies in the area than in the rest of the universe. Why would we be in the center of it?

Does that mean they put us in jail? They put us in time. I'm assuming our galaxies at the center of it or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah. It's not like a Earth. It's a galaxy. Well, that's better. Then that doesn't mean galactic is.

coming. I need to be ready. I don't know why I have Fantastic Four on the I haven't even seen the movie. It's not even that excited It hasn't even come out yet, I don't think. I'm way more excited about Superman saw it twice. I don't get it. The idea that we might be living in a void has been around for a while as we talked about in a few other times. Oh, we're definitely living in a void. Yeah. But the one

the one about the tube, that's specifically Earth. That's not the galaxy. Yeah. That's probably why you were that was like a smaller, obscured. Yeah, that's like A little magnetic tube within our own galaxy. But what about the solar system? So the solar system, this is, we are in a galactic void that has significantly less galaxies per light year or whatever. But was the tube, was the tube bigger than the solar?

The tube is just Earth. The tube is more of a, um, uh, answering the dark force theory than this is. I see. I see. This is like at a level that even if we discover this is real, would not affect us in any significant way because it's so big and we're so insignificant and what this is that what would we do? We'd be like, okay, you know, like, oh, all right. We wouldn't do anything. We can't do anything. Yeah, we're there. It's like so massive. The Earth one is a little more interesting because that's like, okay, that's Earth. That's our local area. At some point, you know, science

willing, we will be able to explore that. But for now, galaxy wide, like, that doesn't, that doesn't affect us at all. Our current understanding of cosmology suggests the universe should be uniform. Big bang, explosion, everything just goes push. But then why does it have these giant holes? And the team they were able to find, like, there are other

holes throughout the galaxy, like, throughout the universe, like there are known giant weird holes that just for whatever reason there are voids in space. Hungry celestial. deal. Yeah. It's fascinating.

Yeah. I've known for them a voids. Voids are cool sounding, but also scary if you were in the middle of them because they said you should be able to, if you were in the middle of a void, like, but by yourself, not in a galaxy. You would see no stars. It feels like city mouse versus country mouse type vibes. Yeah.

Yeah. Less populated. We're in outer rim world. Rim world. Rim world's a great game. Play the game. I'm hooked on it right now. The new expansion is out.

I saw you streaming that at starting at like 1.30 a.m. the other day. That boy. It ended up with one of my colonists had their left arm bitten by a wolf. It became extremely infected. They had to die, so I had to amputate it. The doctor catastrophically failed. The surgery, instead of removing the arm, they tore the arm off just by brute force.

And then she lost her eye. Crazy. But then they got married. It's like mere cat man. Oh, that's like, oh, Florence Nightingale. Yeah, yeah, it's very sweet. Jesus Christ. That's cool, though.

I love that where you could be in the middle of fucking nowhere. Yeah, but it's also, like, I think it's interesting that science is talking about it, but it also means nothing. Right. There's nothing we can do about it. Like, it's one of the things where it's like, okay, cool. You could explain the, uh, what's the thing about we're alone in the universe? Well, that's that's different. That's, yeah, yeah, Fermi paradox.

That's more earth. Right. But I just mean like the fact that we're in a sort of, if we're in like empty zone, right? Yeah, yeah. If we're in empty zone, USA in space, makes sense why. we would never see, like... Well, again, this isn't, like, totally empty. There are other galaxies around us.

There's just significantly less than the vast majority of other places in the universe. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's just, like, a way lower probability than it would be in a normal density part of the universe, let's say. Yeah. Yeah, we're like, we're the countryside. Yeah, we're a little farm mouse. Yeah. We're Chaku, perfect.

We're chilling on the classic Star Wars planet of Jackoo. Right, right, right. there's no other one like it that's what they always say about jack who yeah oh yeah it looks like no other planet yeah um in star wars especially uh you take it then alex so you guys said you got a big boy right it's just i'm gonna read and it's it's it's by grant morrison so it's gonna be long uh i want to hear it so this this is a piece i wanted to shout out grant morrison again i like you you like unwittingly tapped on to like a big excitement point for alex with grant morrison because that's cool's like

It's just the merger of Molina. She's my favorite comic book writer of all time. I am going to start reading The Invisibles because of this. You can crush the Invisibles in a day or two if you're like, you know, locked in. I'm excited. I also recommend they're run on Doom Patrol if you're looking for something similar. It's about like absurdism and Dadaism. So it's like the art version kind of of of Invisibles or the filth.

I can't believe it was actual chaos magic. He was practicing. That's crazy. Or the filth. Or if you like the Superman movie that just came out. go get yourself a copy of All-Star Superman or read Grant Morrison's entire Batman run. It's almost like the finale of Batman.

Like it's pretty crazy. I love that. It's like the finale of like old Batman. After that, it's like almost like new energy for Batman. Like this is the last time that Batman felt like a silver age character was in Grand Morrison's run. It's kind of interesting. But that aside, I can give you recommendations

all day I know you could but what I'm going to recommend right now is their substack which complicated relationship

with substack but there's it's called Xanadum X-A-N-A-D-U-U-M there's no way that doesn't mean something it's got all these

like occult imagery's associated with it and what it is is it's grants like sort of way of like i mean i'm sure they have a specific goal with it if you read at the beginning but it's been going for years i got really into it in the pandemic but it's sort of like their life's work and like little passion projects like laid out and uh on there they designed an entire new tarot deck

for like modern for the modern age that like is and you can like read through it and like it's like educational about the tarot and like entirely like how you're supposed to to think about it and interpret it and it's also good at mapping like modern ideas onto the taro and just a lot of other stuff obviously they're a huge occultist but just in tribute of the Invisibles I wanted to read

this piece that's based around there's actually a demo recording from 1995 as part of this that you can only get if you sign up for Xana Doom but I'm going to read you the text part because I think it's so fucking interesting and it's I think a great little a coda to the conversation that we had today in chaos magic so here we go back in the late

1700s during the civil war I formed a band you have to also imagine that I'm from Glasgow Scotland I'm not going to do the voice because I can't but you're just going to have to imagine that I sound kind of like Billy Connolly I formed a band with some like-minded teenage pals we called ourselves the mixers after a band named on page 40 of our beloved a clockwork orange. Influenced by punk, 60s garage psychedelia and the work of Neil Innes, the mixers would switch styles on a dime, from Beatles to Buzzcocks, the kinks, the birds, the move, TV personalities, the tourists, and Noel Coward, all absorbed into our trademark, three guitar, thumpa, thumpa, thumpa driving beat. We plied our trade in and around Glasgow,

becoming affiliated with an indie scene that included the pastels, Alan McGee at the dawn of creation and laterally primal scream and the Jesus and Mary chain until breaking up on stage in 1983 when our drummer Michael Angus quit for good. Michael, an architecture student at the time, is now one of the presenters on my guilty middle class telepleasure, Scotland's home of the year. The core group continued to play and record in various configurations with a succession of drummers spending time as Jenny and the cat club and then the foves before sputtering to a halt as super nine after a few tracks were played on Radio Scotland's Beat Patrol show. In the mid-90s, the four prime mixers got together again

and put the recriminations of the past behind us for a vivid creative explosion, part-fueled by the weed, champagne, and mushrooms we denied ourselves in our straight-edge days. Unsurprisingly, these sessions yielded some of our best work together. Anyway, you'll likely hear more about this lot as I scour the archives for interesting demos and live recordings. On October 9th, 1993, which would have been John Lennon's 53rd birthday had the arch-beetal not been shot dead by Mark Chapman in 1980, I performed a ritual

intended to incarnate Lenin as a god. I wanted to make a dedication at the beginning of what was a whole new life for me in many ways. I wanted to summon a spirit of pure psychedelic inspiration into a linen-shaped environment. I sought not to manifest the real man, the troubled, cruel, and violent Lenin with his flaws and contradictions, but instead evoke Lenin the twisted mystics. the pop star intellectual, the elemental air of the four Beatles as stripped back to their cartoon archetypes. To get in the mood,

I wore a paisley shirt, skinny jeans, and Chelsea boots. I sat at the center of a circle made of Beatles albums and had Tomorrow Never Know's playing on a loop. My new 12-string, my new 12-string white rickenbacker stood in for a wand.

A sacrament, I took a micro dose of LSD. Not enough for a full-blown trip, but sufficient to soften consensus reality. People sometimes misunderstand when I talk about what happened that night. I was not possessed by the spirit of Lenin. It was not a mediumistic example of channeling the alleged dead. This was magic, intention willed into form.

I altered the temple environment using sounds, smells, and images as powerful triggers to push out of my consciousness all associations that did not relate to Lenin. this overload of environmental cues was organized or compressed by will into a single singular visible compound idea of leninness so that everywhere i looked reminded me of john lennon everything i heard was lennon until all other qualities the space around me may have once possessed were edited out and replaced by the lennon sphere using a traditional three-part summoning where the magician first speaks to the chosen god angel or specified other in the third person at a worshipful remove he is the walrus the egg man the moon dog this call is repeated this time

in second person and with more fervor as to a lover you are the walrus egg man etc and finally with all the passion intent and language available the magician pronounces I am the walrus I am the egg man and assumes the full responsibility

for whatever happens next this total possession of the ritual space by a coherent manifestation, what I was looking for, and it expressed itself visually and audibly as a four-foot-tall head that fit inside my temple space, but felt much bigger, made of thousands of intricate, multicolored, and chiming shards of what resembled musical notation is rotated through a higher direction. Intense flashing colors, digital high fidelity,

shimmering musical glissades and drones. There's also a similar... there's a couple pages of the invisibles where King Mob is summoning a giant John Lennon head. That's awesome. It's awesome. It's on page, like, it's like on the last couple pages. It was like a huge splash of it. That's crazy. I bathed in an electric fluorescent creative kaleidoscope, searing yellows and electric pinks, UV blues,

receiving a download of powerful effervescent excitement and creativity. It felt most like the imagined Lenin of Revolver and Sergeant Pepper, a psychedelic God on acid. The ritual formed the basis for the above scene in the first issue of the Invisibles, where most of the accompanying captions, Budagong, universal harmonics, monastery acoustic hist syndrome, looking glass language, reverb red in the red room of the head, and so on, come directly from my magical diary record, and were my immediate attempts to describe the textures of the experience. A great many mysteries and marvels came out of that night, including seeds of what became the Invisibles itself, and the beginning of an inexorable escalation

of unleashed intent, which climaxed eight months later in Kathmandu, Nepal. As a more minor side effect of the ritual, I found myself with this song I'd strummed into life, composed almost automatically complete with lyrics and music. It always sounded to me at best like a throwaway B-side from 1965, as imagined by the Ruttles. But that's why I've always liked it. It's a very authentic scribble of the moment. It is emphatically not a communication from beyond the grave. An acoustic version of the song exists online performed by me at the

Great Meltdown Books and Comics, formerly of Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles to close off a discussion with Gerard Way. I've seen that interview. The audio is very bad, and it's kind of hard to understand Grant because their accent is quite thick, and the microphone is not doing them any favors.

But it's still a fascinating chat if you got headphones or something where you can really listen and focus in. he has the they have the lyrics here uh to the song and i can read him if you want uh keep taking the pills keep reading the books keep looking for signs that somebody loves you keep walking the dog keep taking the drug keep looking for signs that somebody loves you one and one and one makes two if you really want it to i'm talking about love right it's like stuff like yeah yeah um there's also an audio version of i'll play it for you guys uh in you two but yeah i i i

I don't think it would be chill for me to play it on the show. But you can go find the version that Gerard Way that he did at Meltdown Comics in L.A., which was a great place to go buy a comic book or whatever. But I'll play this for you guys really quick so you guys can hear it. Just edit this out. Yeah. He's taking the pills

He's definitely trying to channel He's definitely trying to channel a Lennon Yeah, like, do you think that's better or do you think the alternate universe Beatles album is better at capturing the actual sound of the Beatles?

I mean, the alternate was the Beatles, to be honest. Right. It was remixed and remit, but it was them for sure. Sure, right, right. I just felt like there's something kind of that came through.

I mean, he's cool. He's definitely not coming back from the grave and writing a song through Grant Morrison, but they translated the essence through music in a way that worked for me. It's really cool. I love that shit. And I'll actually jump off that because what I'm dealing with is also from the

psychedelic world, but I'm going to merge it to science because a really fucking cool study came out last week, week and a half ago. So as the billionaires and rich people are desperate to figure out how to stop aging and live forever, the anti-aging

market has surged past $500 million last year. And some of that found its way to Emory University researchers who have identified a compound that actively delays aging in cells and organisms. A new study published in Nature Partners Journal,

Nature Partners Journal aging, demonstrates that psilocybin, a byproduct of consuming psilocybin, that's what your body turns the mushroom chemical into. This is an extended cellular lifespan of human skin and lung cells by more than 50%. But in parallel, researchers also conducted the first long-term in vivo, meaning alive, not

unlike dead or in utero, mice, in vivo study evaluating the systemic effects of psilocybin in aged mice of 19 months, or the equivalent would be 60 to 65-ish human years. Results indicated that the mice that received an initial low dose of psilocybin of 5 milligrams, followed by a monthly high dose of 15 milligrams for 10 months had a 30% increase in survival compared to the mice who hadn't received any. These mice also displayed healthier physical features, such as improved fur quality, fewer white hairs,

and hair regrowth. Now, while traditionally research for its mental health benefits, this study suggests that psilocybin impacts multiple hallmarks of aging by reducing oxidative stress, improving DNA repair responses, and preserving telomere length. We've probably all heard the word telomere before,

but these are the things in your body at the ends of chromosomes, protecting it from damage that could lead to the formation of age-related diseases like cancer, neurodegeneration, etc. The study concludes that psilocybin may have the potential to revolutionize anti-aging therapies

and could be impactful intervention in the aging population. You know, kind of goes on to say it's just mice. It's the very, very first one. It's not like, you know, know, there's still a lot to go. But they looked at, like I said, telomere length, oxidative stress. They added a control group of, it was 19 and 19, that they were treating in mice.

And the measurements were as they were. And so it's up next, ideally, is the next step to bring it closer to human trials. I can give you the thing. But yeah, it just. That is weird, right? You like, you like captured my imagination telling me that information. That was crazy. Science?

is great not just because of like discoveries but the fact that somewhere someone had to submit a proposal to get mice high on shrooms yes yeah it's awesome like they had to write a whole thing submit it to a board and get the money to go out and buy drugs and then give it to mice and that is science baby it's nuts shout out to those mice yeah dude that's crazy shout outs to those fucking mice man mice were like we're all me the rats they're like rock and i am the walrus dude right it's the thing man it's all it's the end of the day flying squirrels man we're all the same man that'd be the dude that's crazy though it's cool that like it like made them healthier and like it's re-grew hair and like some mice

so weird but that's what we'll leave it yeah thank you guys so much really invisible that's we'll leave it that's like that's our fucking motto so weird that's so weird that's so weird It's cool. It's fucking cool. Do mushrooms. That's what it means. Do mushrooms. Responsibly. Thank you guys so much for supporting us here. Patreon.com. Such as to the Monday, we'll be next. Back next week with another day.

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