Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: Is Traveling BACK in Time Possible?

Episode Date: July 9, 2025

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["The to another mini so many so 211 crazy that's true crazy no industry it's we're 210 last week so you know it's crazy about that you know what my my brain does immediately when you say the number 211 I'm like one plus one is two Wow, I thought you were thinking of the band 311 all three eleven minus 100 Yeah, I know yeah, I know what you mean by that. Okay, we got someone does little numerology, right? Yeah Yeah, it goes so well I'm absolutely my brain is fried after that episode. So are you guys are you guys like? Oh Like I you guys seem kind of confused about what I was gonna do today before we started But are you guys like pretty used?

Anytime you're in charge. I feel like I've just created this like air of mystery Like when Gandalf comes to town with fireworks where everybody's just, I mean, I'm showing up. Yeah. We're here for it. Yeah. But I really, I'm just here to talk about insanely bizarre mysteries. That's what I hear about you. Yeah. But here's what's up. So as I said earlier, I said that what the cornerfest is, is it's me sort of like emptying my research notes for the year. Like all the things that I found that are like not really as deep as a full episode is worth doing, I've sort of done.

Like So Joanna for example, huge topic, could have done four episodes on it if I wanted, but there's not like enough story to tell it. Like it just kind of is like, and then it just gets more and more complex, and it seems crazy how complex it is. You know what I mean? It doesn't build to a solution, but most of them, it's just like, I can tell you all the information there is in about 10, 15 minutes, right?

So that's the topic. But then, beyond those, there's even ones that are even less of a thing, that aren't even worth doing at Cornerfest. Well, it wasn't worth it for him. Math is left. Dude, I don't know where he is at. Wasn't worth it for him.

He was like, I'm gone, I'm done. I hope he doesn't have a home invader. I hope we don't watch somebody come here and murder- That was not as panicked as a home invader would yeah. Yeah, I'm guessing you heard his cats get bingo correct Yeah, okay. Yeah, we thought either as you had a home invader or we you heard your cats no Invader yet. Yeah, so basically what I'm saying is this is like if cornerfest is like Coachella, right? What I'm doing for the mini-sodes during Cornerfest is like a local gig. These mysteries are not even worth mentioning in a real show about mysteries, but there

is some flavor to each one that I just, there's a certain je ne sais quoi about it that it bears mentioning even though it's a barely even a mystery and it's just more of an aesthetic than anything How does that sit with you guys? Hilariously because I know that in a year and a half someone's gonna hear this would be like what the fuck is he talking about? Oh, yeah, it's gonna be hilarious. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna tell you guys right now about the giant clamshell mystery Are you guys ready? Oh, okay. Sure. Do you guys know about non-murder mysteries? Are you familiar with that? Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Those exist. Non-murder mysteries is like a sub.

It's a great subreddit because that's the problem with all the mystery subreddits that happens is like if you're like a Chiluminati listener and you want to get some like weird ass fucking captain coochie ass story, right? You go to the mystery subreddits and everything's like, my brother Damon like disappeared in Cabo San Lucas three years ago and we have no idea what happened to him. And that's like a worthy cause of course, but like you're-

Not what people are looking for. It's creating a organizational issue, right? So non-murder mystery specifically exists to have all these other weird mysteries on there. And I don't know where I got this one. I watch a lot of YouTube videos and I'm looking at the comments and there's a couple YouTubers

that are mentioned in the comments. So I don't know which video it was that made me write this down in my notes one day while I was fucking smoking a fucking dubious Maximus or whatever I was doing. But like, this is the giant clamshell mystery. This is from user m grego. All there is to it is the post itself. And I'm gonna go into the comments a little bit afterwards. Here we go. About 10 years ago, I was a facilitator at a nature center. At one end of our exhibit hall, there was a giant clamshell that measured

about four feet across. I was guiding a group of kindergartens through the exhibit when a little boy pointed to the clamshell and said, casually, God died in there. It was a weird comment, but I didn't think much of it until another child made the exact same comment about six months later. God died in there. Within the three years that I held the job, five different kids looked at that clamshell and stated, God died in there. Always worded the exact same way. The kids were all four to six years old. They did not go to the same school or the same church. As far as I can tell, they didn't know one another at all. I think it might be a reference to a book or cartoon, but I can't find the source. Any thoughts?

Chilling mystery. The idea of witnessing it alone is upsetting, right? Like, obviously there's no way to like research this, really, right? I could dig into it and do like a fun podcast that's like, but what really happened? Who? Where is this? That could be a show, but that's not the show. I don't have that. But there are some suggestions in the comments of what this could be. One is talking about Old Blue Lip from SpongeBob, which is a clam, and they're saying maybe

Bob died in there, SpongeBob. I think that one's a bit of a stretch. There's also a religious book series called God Lessons about a chatty clam. I don't really know what this book is about, but I don't like the tone. I don't like what it implies. It's like a, and that's why you always leave a note. I don't know what's gonna happen to the clam,

but something's... I can't imagine that six different kids bought this ugly ass book. Shaddy. It's a weird looking book. Another user suggests the idea of vintage crucifixion displays being inside of clamshell sometimes. And sure enough, if you look into it, in the 50s and mid-century, there was this sort of habit of putting crucifixes in an open shell.

You can describe to the people, I just sent you guys a link of this eBay listing, this thing that's like, I mean, I've seen stuff like this at people's houses for sure, like at old ladies. It's literally like real, real shell or whatever. It's like real shell and it's like a little crucifix of Jesus like metal thing on like a marble, I would say maybe marbles cross, but just like kind of mounted into an open clam shell.

And so I could see, I could see somebody seeing this and saying God died in there. just like kind of mounted into an open clamshell. And so I could see somebody seeing this and saying God died in there. I don't know how common of a thing this is either. Then one other person that I thought was interesting had the guess that it was specifically Roper Mountain Science Center. I don't know anything about the Roper Mountain Science Center. The Roper Mountain Science Center. I don't know anything about the Roper Mountain

Science Center. The Roper Mountain Science Center is located in Greenville, South Carolina, which I just thought to mention because it's kind of in the realm of where the Sojoanna area was. And I thought that was kind of cosmically significant. But if you live near the Roper Mountain Science Center and you know about it, I would love for you to take a picture of this giant clam that is supposedly there. I would love to know. I'll tell you exactly what this person said. He said, was this at the Roper Mountain Science Center near the bathrooms? I think I remember being one of the ones who said that but I don't remember why oh Weird kids be kids man. They're weird weird weird ones weird one So that's the giant clamshell mystery in its entirety not even long enough for a

Fest yeah Let me um take us at it for a second. It's been a you know, it's been a new year It's been holiday. We had a live show. There's Christmas. I didn't do like a lot of like looking at news But I'll give you a new update the drones a new update as of today actually They still going every single day And today according to CBS News the FAA has now expanded drone flight restrictions in New Jersey news. The FAA has now expanded drone flight restrictions in New Jersey. Drones are now restricted in nine more municipalities in addition to dozens of municipalities already under this restriction. Quote, it's unclear why the new restrictions were put in place

and they just they put in place and there's more classified hearings happening behind closed doors where no answers are coming out and restrictions are just continuing to grow. There is more municipalities now have a flight restrictions and they won't give it and nobody knows why. There's no answer. Is there any sort of consistent reliable source for the drones? I like local news is your best bet. Like that's kind of like where I go. I mean you can see a million people claiming like, is there somebody, is there somebody that you're going back to each time? That's like,

here's the drone report for today no I'm cross-referencing does nobody because that can't you can't trust anything on reddit period most people who are filming things are literally looking at out-of-focus planes in the distance and don't know what the hell they're looking at so I'm just looking at like what the government is doing in response to it's still going and looking at the reports of like what was last week they were in the UK all across 14 different US air bases last week across the UK. Like they're still all over the world and they're

still going. I'm just following the reports and yeah, they're still doing classified hearings and they're still adding definitely feels real still to me. It's not, it doesn't feel hokum yet to me, you know, it still feels like a thing that's occurring. And I remember there was a joke and then somebody said, it was like in the news during Christmas, well, it looks like the drones took Christmas off. It's like that they didn't actually, the sightings were everywhere. Did they even take them off?

So just a little update. It's all I got, you know, a little post-post holiday update on the drones. They are still happening. If you are in, like if you're a listener and you're in the New Jersey area, you're in the New England area They've been seen in Massachusetts or any of the states that's been seen if you have Know anybody I'd love like some firsthand footage of these things that are like from our viewers I'm so curious because I know we have people who listen out there. I'm just I just want to see what like I've seen obviously Plenty of people on tik people on TikTok or Instagram or Reddit

But you can only take that with a grain of salt like really so it's just weird. It's just weird They it is endlessly fascinating because of how real it feels. Yeah Into the into the unanswered nobody has an answer. So I don't know Oh, oh which are part of that the mayor for one of the town in New Jersey or Pennsylvania, I think one of the two, um, didn't AMA on the UFO subreddit. Fantastic. Um, about the drones and basically what he said, it's one of three things in his mind, uh, which take it for what you will. He does not get classified hearings on what they are. This is just him as an official, he says, he thinks he's in China posturing it's us tech

and the us is doing a terrible job at keeping people's worries and expectations in check or it's not human Those are the three things he put as his answers. Okay. Well take that puts me right at ease to be honest puts me right at ease The worst thing the worst thing is that I'm hoping for it to be our own Horrific military technology. None of the answers are good. That's my only... Like, that's the only one that I won't, like, wake up in a cold sweat thinking about as much because it's like, oh well, at least it's ours.

At least it's ours. At least there's not, like, some guy that can, like... At least our government's spying on us. Come to our country anytime they want you know what I mean like at least There's not that but I don't know still a lot of like a lot of orb footage out there And like whatever you do like when you look at an orb Understand most people don't know how to focus their fucking lens and while you're seeing is a blurry light nobody almost No one has the ability to manually focus the lens that they're using almost ever when they're filming the sky like that so it's hard

It's hard. Yeah, you need to have like a DSLR or like a mirrorless camera on you with like a telephoto lens Yeah, you need something really really really good like to get something that's like far away. And you gotta be pretty close You gotta be pretty close anyway still to get anything That's really definitive right and? And I did. I did throw that UFO video to the subreddit, by the way. And it was fucking awesome to watch them tear tear into it. We were able to determine it wasn't the ISS. I long story short, for the many people who are listening, I got a weird thing on camera, a little light in the sky, but it wasn't the ISS.

We were able to. I love that we can we can track that. And it wasn't any known satellite or Starlink satellite because we have trackers for those. But the thing is, is like, if it is a satellite, the way it moves is irregular to how a satellite would move. And if it's a drone, it's literally in restricted airspace because of where I live in proximity to an airport. That's something that high would be a danger

to getting a plane. Like I think videos of how low planes fly over my house They're like house vibrates with it So it's just weird but yeah the drone thing in particular is just something to keep an eye on if you're interested in this stuff It is continuing You just got to look at the local news of the areas to figure out exactly how they're responding as a government. So no Jesse you want to take us out of here for the new year? Well father time himself. Jesse, you want to take us out of here for the new year? Well, Father Time himself. Yeah. How

lovely you said that. Gentlemen, I'm the oldest man who ever lived. Scientists have published a paper proving, at least according to them, it's a peer-reviewed study, that paradox-free time travel is in fact possible. Uh oh.

I saw this. Yeah. In a peer-reviewed paper, a scientist says that he mathematically has proven the physical feasibility of a very specific type of time travel. The paper appears in the Classical and Quantum Gravity Journal. Essentially, Germain Tabar and Fabio Costa, both the University of the University Journal. Essentially, Germain Tabar and Fabio Costa, both the

University of Queensland at the time of the paper's publication worked together on the study in the reversible dynamics with closed time like curves and freedom of choice is the name of the study. Okay. It is complex. If you want to, there's links to

it. You can just type in reversible dynamics with closed time, like curves and freedom of choice, and find the full study and read it all, um, even for you, just because I'm that guy, here's their abstract. The theory of general relativity predicts that existence of closed time, like curves, CTCs, which theoretically would allow an observer to travel back in time interact with their past self. This raises the question of whether this could create a grandfather paradox in which the observer interacts in such a way that prevents their own time travel. Previous research has proposed a framework for deterministic

reversible dynamic compatibility or compatible with non-trivial time travel. Basically, what it all comes down to is they are saying that, um, when you time travel, like Einstein first posited, if you mess with stuff, things will happen, right? But they're saying that as long as just two pieces of an entire scenario of time travel within the CTC, which is the closed time like curves are still within casual order. Then when you leave, everything should be fine because it takes into account free will and the fact that things just happen. However, that is so impossible to wrap my mind around. Yeah, I'm trying real hard. So basically, I can basically understand in broad strokes what you mean by that. Too much? Here's an analogy that they

give. Say you time traveled in an attempt to stop COVID-19's patient zero from being exposed to the virus. However, if you stop the individual from becoming infected, that would eliminate the motivation for you going back in time to stop the pandemic in the first place. This is a paradox, an inconsistency that often leads to people thinking that time travel cannot occur in our universe. Logically, it's hard to accept because that would affect our freedom to make any arbitrary action.

It would mean you can time travel, but you cannot do anything that would cause a paradox to occur is what they're saying. So basically it can be grouped with a butterfly effect, which refers to like an unintended consequence, right? And they say in the coronavirus patient zero example, you might try and stop patients zero from becoming infected, but in doing so you would catch the virus and become patients zero yourself or someone else would no matter what you did, the salient events would just happen. So cannon events. Yeah. the salient events would just happen. So cannon events? Yeah, try as you might create a paradox, the events will just adjust themselves to avoid any inconsistency.

And that is how do you even- And the timeline heals itself? How do you even begin to calculate that? Basically the idea is you go back and like if you try to kill Hitler, right? Sure. Somebody else could rise in his place as a Hitler type, right? Sure. But they're also saying that if you go back in time, the smart thing to do is if you're time traveling, just go back, look at some shit and leave. Like

you won't affect things then. Um, but the more you try to mess with things, the more you try to adjust the future, then problems arise. But basically all they they're doing is saying that like, time, there's a flow to everything. And there are certain things that are like, this is what will happen. And so it relates to quantum findings as like they're basically saying like, it's it's the way things was like behave when it comes to multiple dimensions and you know, using deep math and quantum mechanics and essentially like, um, no matter what there, it's basically there's like, the last thing they say here, just as examples, they say, while that sounds frustrating for a person trying to prevent a pandemic or kill Hitler for mathematics, it helps smooth fundamental

speed bumps. The way people think about time In reality, the math basically says it like, yeah, you can time travel. I got a I can't even understand how you calculate it. It seems so fucking crazy to me. But how wild would it be if they were like, and the other thing is that the only place that it can occur is in New Jersey airspace. Like, I'm just eye from the future time travel. But they zoom in, they zoom in on

the drones and it's a fucking little TARDIS like the thing that I think is really funny is going back to what you said, Mathis is the last paragraph. This article literally says, at the very least, this research suggests that anyone

eventually designing a way to meaningfully travel through time could do so and experiment without any underlying fear of ruining the world. At least not right away. So yeah, eventually if you keep messing around, you will. But for the most part, things happen because they're supposed to happen. How, how do you, what is the, how long, how many math problems is that? What are we talking about? How do you what is the how long how many math problems is that what are we talking about? How do you know seven of them if you go look at the great like how long is this fucking article? I'll just like give this to you guys so you can take a look if you go look at this But it plays into the idea that all time is always existing always so you can't like how can you change something that already?

has happened and Time doesn't exist right like yeah, so like by the time you get to section 2.1, it becomes deep math. Suddenly it's all math. I'm clicking. So if you scroll down enough, you'll be like, oh, they go deep. This is, this is a lot.

And I wish you the best of luck of trying to figure that out. This is a lot. So you can, so going back in time, you can screw yourself, but for the most part you won't is what it's saying, which I think is interesting. Like there are, you can do some things, but for the most part, things like it's essentially saying that if you went back and you shot yourself in the head, that would cause a problem. But if you went back and you invested 80 billion like, you know, dollars in Apple, that would like not really do much. And it'd be fine. And would you be the richest man in the world?

Maybe. But it wouldn't affect the overall nature of what our reality is. Yeah, okay. His math problems look insane. I don't have the ability to understand this, I don't think, but I would love a physicist. I would love someone who knows the math to really dive deep into this. Yeah, I would love to take a physicist out for a coffee. It's interesting because the images that they use with the math problems, like the looks like expanding circles or orbs or waves or whatever, it's like the same kind of images

that are in the Monroe Institute kind of images idea of consciousness study and whatnot, which is kind of interesting. I wish I knew any of this math. WIX1 plus I plus 1 WN times X divided by N. Okay. Yeah, cool. Cool. I wish I understood a fucking lick of what that said because it seems so interesting. Yeah.

I mean, time's not basically time is is not real this or that or one or zero it's all sorts of different crazy things and Yeah, you can go back according to them. You could go back again This the one thing that doesn't say is you that time travels possible It's saying that if you could figure out a way to time travel Yes, if there was a way to time travel you could Invest 80 billion. Yeah, let's do like really truly screwed up the timeline in some epic way Most of the time it's self-correct and so and and that's cute

But like it also doesn't prove that time travels backwards at least as possible, right? It's still interesting. Yeah On that everybody. Happy happy new year welcome to 2025 We got a fun one for you. Alex has got another couple episodes coming down the pipeline that are gonna be just as clear Yeah concise as this has been the most straightforward thing. I was like hey, I'm gonna do 25 mysteries There's gonna be six in each episode and they're all gonna be about different stuff Thank you all so much for supporting us here at patreon.com. We appreciate you, we love you.

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