Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: Moving Antimatter on a Truck?!

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

This Minisode was originally uploaded with Episode 345: Dancing Plague 2: More Weird Plagues! - some of the topics discussed might be outdated. Subscribe to our Patreon to listen and watch the Minisodes as they release every week! http://patreon.com/CHILLUMINATIPODMike Martin - http://www.youtube.com/@themoleculemindset Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - https://www.youtube.com/@StarWarsOldCanonBookClub/Editor: DeanCutty Producer: Hilde @ https://bsky.app/profile/heksen.bsky.social Show Art: Studio Melectro @ http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro Logo Design: Shawn JPB @ https://twitter.com/JetpackBragginLinks:Photo of Earth from Artemis II: https://www.ladbible.com/news/science/artemis-images-northern-lights-aurora-earth-nasa-230337-20260404The ripple effects of NASA’s Artemis mission could be bigger than you think: https://substack.com/@adrianmacovei/note/c-240011404The Egg on Kurtzgezagt [treat from production because it's good! :)]: https://youtu.be/h6fcK_fRYaI?si=ojw9Lbq2d6FoH4TRGhost on the Train: https://www.reddit.com/r/Paranormal/comments/1sfqp80/ghost_on_the_train/Moving Antimatter on a Truck: https://home.cern/news/press-release/experiments/base-experiment-cern-succeeds-transporting-antimatter

Notice, notice, this midweek mini was recorded several months ago and may not be up to date with current events. For fresh minisode uploads with every episode, head to patreon.com slash Chaluminati pod. Back to another minisode right here on Patreon or wherever you're listening. What you got, boys? It's been, hey. It's been a fun week for science because, you know, we're orbiting the moon. right now, which is exciting. I'll, I mean, I'll start. That's kind of where I, where I'm at. Yeah. So as everyone probably saw, we now have Artemis 2 coming back from flying round the moon,

seeing the dark side, all sorts of cool stuff. Apparently they saw some asteroid impacts, which is pretty cool. Pretty crazy. Yeah. Love everything about it. In fact, my favorite post online was they, they posted the photo of Earth. And I love the fact that photo Earth is upside down. See, just one goes to show you that there is no right side up in space. But more importantly, I loved all the comments that were like,

what is that? What continent is that? People were genuinely like, I don't know if they're trying to be conspiratorial, like, but they were asking a question. And I was so pleased to see all the responses be like, oh, turn it upside down. That's Africa. You can see the straight Adjurbalter. People were really

answering questions. That's cool. And at one point someone was like, what's that green and everyone's like, that's the Aurora Borealis. I love that. I genuinely had a moment of like, they always say what is, like, what's the value in space exploration? It costs so much.

And I'm like, there, right there. It makes us better humans to know that we all like, as a species are leaving Earth. And bro, we learn some crazy shit when we do space research. Like we learn just by looking into shit, we learn like that's like how we've done most shit that we've made is by researching space. There's another person was asking like, well, if there's no gravity, how was that thing on the table just there? And someone was like, Velcro was invented by NASA.

And I was like, yes, they weren't being like, shut the fuck on. People were like, let me explain it to you. And I was so pleased as like a teacher just so pleased. But anyway, the thing I wanted to get to what I just thought was very funny is that nowhere in my mind. think this is where we're going to go with topics when it came to Artemis 2. But a lot of people online now, there's a thing in the Washington Post. There are a bunch of substacks. The one in Washington Post, you can't even go look at it because it's like behind a,

like a paywall. But the substack one is Adrian McAvey, Maccovey, who has roughly the same thoughts. But basically, what people are. this as is that the Artemis program is going to be really consequential and influential because the major objective of all this is one, build a moon base, have a presence on the moon, two, use that as a jumping point to get to Mars. Yeah. And so the way all these people are talking about it, and I thought this is very interesting,

and I'll use Adrian's bit here, but basically, as an evolutionary body, biologists, there are, you know, ways of looking at stuff. And one of the ways is that the moon and Mars are just new islands in a sea of, like, stars, right? Yeah. And so when you look at islands on Earth, when different islands happen, like a great example is the Galapagos, on that island, there are 18 different species that survive there that are not anywhere else in the world. And so the implication is that as we start moving to other worlds, in this case, Mars or the moon or whatever, gravitational differences, societal differences, whatever the case may be, we're going to see three things. One, a new genetic shift, which deep space radiation, whatever might alter DNA, and you would pass that down to the next generation. Two, the gravity gap.

Like I said, your bones, people born on different planets who have different bones than people bones. Born on. Interesting. And then over centuries, all of this will lead to three, which is technically a new type of human. There will be different types of humans. And I saw someone post this and it was a joke, but I think it's completely accurate. It's the war hamification of the universe.

There will be people who look like ogres. There will be people look like dwarves. There will be people who look like elves. They'll be like normal as earth humans. Yeah. Yeah. And so people will change based on where they live. like if you're on a high gravity place,

you're gonna be like a little stocky bastard. And if you're like on a low gravity place, you're gonna be like tall and slender. You're gonna be a long man. Yeah. I kind of love that. But it also, many people I saw,

we're doing the thing where it's like, well, if time is an illusion and we time travel, could aliens not be us as different versions from other planets in the future? And I was like, oh, we're going there. It could all be us.

Why wouldn't it just be other creatures on other planets that evolved differently because of it. It could just be that. Sure, but that's just what they were saying in the articles that I was reading is they were like. I was just. And I think it's, I think it's great. Honestly,

I love when people speculate positively about the future. Have we read the egg on here? No, but that's such a classic. Maybe we could one day. Yeah. I was just watching a video from an astronomer talking about how like, at the big bang when everything went off,

all of us would, because, you know, Matter isn't created, destroyed, just changes, whatever. everything was entangled. And as it just disperses, the entanglement gets weaker.

But maybe like what she was saying, maybe space time doesn't exist as we understand it. It's just the measurement of our entanglement with everything around us. Like we're more entangled things immediately in front of us than we are from far away. But if you are advanced enough where you can manipulate that kind of stuff,

distance means nothing. There is no, the distance is literally meaningless. You can just fold space time. If we're all still entangled, yes. Yeah, we're all still entangled in some way. The universe is one, right? That's where a lot of spirituality comes around to as well.

It's like we're all one. It's like that dude who does a lot of videos or podcasts or whatever we talked about when he's on DMT. Yeah. And he's like, he's like the third dimension isn't even like when you're here, it isn't even real. You realize like we're once you see what's actually real. And I'm like, bro, I want to be that high. Like I want to be like, I'm just a flesh bag. It's crazy.

There's more to me than this. I am a luminous. That's just kind of true. That's just kind of true. That's just like do like shrooms, or like do like acid once. Like, and I've been had like that kind of,

I've had some weird experiences, but I did have a moment in doing psychedelics where like, I suddenly understood why time isn't a real thing. Like I suddenly understood the time isn't real. And I remember having this long thought. And then when I came back from that thought, literally no time had passed because I was measuring between, I was just was listening to a video.

and I was listening to them talk. And I just had this huge thought of like time isn't real. I understand it now. I'm more in a sliding. I'm more sliding through existence in a linear way. And then when I came back from that thought, no time had passed. And I was like, from that moment, I was like, I understand time isn't real. But then once you're back in like reality, it's hard to like.

It's useful. But it's not real. It's useful, but it's not real. You see that girl in France this week? The phrase, I'll let you go here. in a second, but like the phrase at the end of anybody who does like psychedelics that have really grasped onto is that no matter what you do, you still have to come back down and chop wood and carry water. You still have to live life. It doesn't matter what you realize you are still in this

finite existence. Make it mean something. Even if you walk out of your life, you're still going to have to sell umbrellas somewhere else. Exactly. There was a girl in France. I don't know when this happened, but it's this week it popped off all of her social media where she was like in a coma and she woke up from the coma and told everyone that she had in, she thought she was awake. Oh yes. She was like where my kids.

She was apparently lived a whole life, had kids, was married. And she was like in shock when she was a young woman again and this hospital. And that's, I mean, that's, again, that's all the mind. But it's also she experienced time pass. Right. You know, that's the Star Trek episode right there. And I really wish had more of an impact on the show as a whole after that episode, but just never did.

That happens to him again in the fucking movie. Pretty much. Oh, but car. Pretty much happens to him again. Oh, my God. I love that stuff, though. Like, it's so fascinating because I just, you know, space time, I just don't think it is what we think it is. I don't.

And there's just so much science we don't know. and there's so much to like existence we don't know. And the fact that it's like maybe we are all quantum entangled on a quantum information system that is just permanently together. You know, esoteric spirituals and points all to like that similar idea. It's like we're all connected. We're all one. It doesn't matter if you're alive in a body or dispersed as atoms and energy.

Like it doesn't fucking matter. We're all the same thing fucking care for each other. Stop fucking destroying each other. It actually isn't that hard to wrap your mind around it. it's just impossible to feel it. Yes. And so it's similar to like Christianity in some ways. You are being asked to act on faith if you think about it.

I mean, that's all religion really is you're yeah, you have to. But I'm talking about this. I'm talking about this. Like even just this way of thinking you're kind of acting on faith because time isn't real. You're just you're just you can't experience the notion that time isn't real. because you can't experience consciousness without perceiving it linearly. So you just have to, when somebody tells you something like, by the way, time isn't real. That's like saying with that.

It's the same as being like there's a guy outside of this reality that like controls everything and makes decisions for you. You're like, uh, okay. Like to pay right tomorrow. Yeah. Like I'll do whatever I need to do. Like, you know, it's like when we talk about the, the galaxy is moving away towards something. Yeah. Okay. That awesome, but I can't do a damn thing about it. So like, thanks for the fact, I'll be at work. This one time, this one time it was, I was on mushrooms. It was a del taco. That's what it was headed towards. Everything was going to the termination point. The termination point of everything in my vision was a del taco on the horizon. I'm gonna let you know two nights ago is that del taco. They have big fat tacos now. They're back. Big fat tacos have returned. It's like 2011 again.

Y'all. We love to see. One day, all three of us will get together and we'll do some, uh, my mom. I want to point out for the record when you order big fat tacos at del taco they give you a sheet of pogs That's awesome why literally remind you of the good old is we're back and one of them is a pog that says big fat It's poggs dude. I was like what is happening? Dude, let's play poggs you guys got a slammer? Yeah, man slimmer kicking around. Oh, I don't think I do anymore I had a Mortal Kombat logo slamer. It was gold. It was great. That was that sick. I was incredible. I truly did live the Pog life. I did too. I had tubes. I had binders. I had special slammer collections. I took that shit. Some that were shaped like a bus saw. Like it was really cool. I love pogs. We played for pinks, dude. We did it real.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I got a UK ghost story for you. Yeah, do us from our paranormal from a couple hours ago called ghost on the train from user dead VHS, which is a sick name. I'm a train driver in the UK. A few weeks before Christmas, I'm working. the late shift. Everything is normal and boring, and I've got very few passengers on board. It was around 11 p.m. There's a particular route I drive on the train where the train terminates in the middle of the line, not at the end of the line, as normal. This isn't a rare or uncommon route. In fact, I do this roughly once or twice per shift. The process we have is that staff who work on the station will walk the length of the train to make sure all the passengers have left. I then drive the empty train onto a small piece of track, a siding, that's basically like a train parking spot. I make my way through the

inside of the train to the other end where I can drive it back to where I came from. These trains have a driving cab at both ends. On the night in question, all of this happens as it usually does. The staff checks the train, gives me the thumbs up, and I drive the empty train into the which again is that parking spot. I opened my driving cab door, ready to walk the length of the train and change ends. And as I open the door, I see a woman is still on board. This happens occasionally. Someone rushes on at the last minute or the staff didn't see them. It's no big deal. We have to call it in and it usually means we get to drive back again ahead of schedule. A slightly early finish and it's a bonus. This woman was a middle-aged, presumably

me Muslim woman wearing a nacob, the headscarf veil with the part that covers the mouth. She waves at me through the window of the door leading to the second carriage and does a kind of shrug. That suggests she was saying, I fucked up, sorry. I waved back to her to let her know I've seen her and I turn around to collect my bag and stuff. Throwing the bag over my shoulder, I leave the cab and enter the train proper. The woman was in the second carriage. I couldn't see her through the window as I walked through the first one, but assumed she had just taken in his seat. The windows are fairly small and you wouldn't necessarily

be able to see someone if they weren't standing. As I said, this sort of thing happens. People are used to it. Her sitting down and waiting for me wouldn't be an unusual thing. I opened the door leading to the second carriage expecting to see her sitting there, but she wasn't. She wasn't there.

I walked the rest of the train. She wasn't on board. She wasn't on the train. It was as if she didn't exist at all. I've seen some weird things driving train. before, as have many train drivers, but this one sort of got me more than the others because of the interaction we'd had. The final drive back was an unnerving one and somebody had followed up and asked him a question about like, are you 100% sure you saw everywhere? And he was like literally, and you'll

probably recognize this, Jesse. Like, this is, he was like, this is the exact train model that I drive. It's like made. All right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's made so that you can't really hide. Yeah. And he's typical London. kind of like style like elliptical cutouts like the poles are there but like the wall dividers are like cut out elliptically

so you can really see like almost the whole circle yeah all the way down the train unless you are like a little kid crouching and if somebody walks past there's just no way you can't get under the seats nothing so pretty crazy story and uh you know

just a fun little little ghost story for you like a little Luigi's mansion resident evil zero I don't know Mix up, mashup. Did you hear they're remaking Code Veronica right now? Is it true? I heard it.

Oh, I mean, I don't know if it's confirmed by Capcom or if it's just a leak. Yeah, I look. Oh, no. I love that game. I love that game so much because I had a Dreamcast and I had a PS2. And I played on both. You're out of control. I'm ready to play it again.

I love Code Veronica. Let's get me. That whole island is, it's like Shutter Island Resident Evil. It's great. With a little science story to Exodus. we talk about the antimatter? Did you say exodus? Exit us on some science. Like exit the Oh like oh I was like okay. Be more specific than did we talk about the antimatter. That CERN moved antimatter on a truck for the first time. I think I know something about this because I saw an

article that was like why don't we just store antimatter like it would cost a billion D trillion D dollars to do it so we don't. Well on March 24th a group of scientists at CERN ended up putting in a box some antimatter and drove it on a flatbed and then drove it across their campus at 26 miles per hour. This is supposedly antimatter is like the most dangerous thing on earth. And they're saying like everything you've ever touched, everything you've ever seen like microphone body, all that shit. It's all made of like for every particle of matter and everything that there is.

There is also like, I don't want to call it the opposite. This is where I don't want to get too sciencey because I don't know science. I mean, we don't know what antimatter is. Antimatter has some relation to matter. Yeah. It's like a mirror version of it. It's as far as my lame and understanding. It's like meaner.

It has a goatee. Yeah, I get it. They say one gram of antimatter, meeting one gram of matter would release about the same amount of energy as the Hiroshima nuclear bomb. Like to give you an idea of like they're just mirror it. That's actually weird. It annihilates the instant it touches regular matter. Honestly, there's something.

about that, that's like, oh, I thought that was going to be like a worse effect. Is that weird? I feel like the other than total annihilation. Well, like, it's not total annihilation, right? It's like Hiroshima, one gram. Well, here's the thing. We don't know what that would look like. Like cascading annihilation that destroys anything. When you think of a nuke going off, there's the explosion and the radiation effect. There's the whole thing. With this, it could just be like one minute, there's stuff there and the next. There's just a hole in the ground. And everything's gone. Like we just don't know what that would look like. I just mean, I just mean like

from movies and stuff, I thought that like if antimatter and matter touched, it would like wipe out like all of existence. Existence. Like a black hole would fall. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like just something crazy that would happen. But I like obviously that's not nothing. But I'm just saying it. I thought it would be worse.

Here's the specifics of it. So on March 24th, they trapped a cloud of 92 antiprotons in a portable cryogenic penning trap. Disconnected it from the experimental facility, loaded it onto a flat bread, flat bread. Flat bread. They trapped a cloud on a flat bread, dude.

Flat bed and onto a truck and drove it across a CERN's main site and then resumed their operations after transport. The bottle traveled more than eight kilometers around the lab, reaching a maximum speed of 42 kilometers per hour, and staff turned out with their phones to film it. So like they got it all. If protons touch normal matter for even a fraction of a second, they annihilate and release energy. To prevent that, the antiprotons were suspended inside a roughly one meter cube, quote, transportable anti-proton trap, which just sounds like a Ghostbusters device.

It's almost exactly the name of the ghostbos. Yeah, pretty much. Using magnets cooled to minus 400 and, well, let's say minus 269 degrees Celsius, which translates to negative 452 degrees Fahrenheit. But if those magnets got wet, would they still work? I don't know. That's the president. We should.

We should. They then held it in a vacuum and never touched the inner walls, which are obviously inconveniently made of fucking matter. The whole thing weighed over 1,873 pounds. And the cloud of antiprotons was cooled to about a total of minus 428 Fahrenheit, which allowed them to stabilize for the ride. So they did it. The reason they did it,

it's basically because CERN's anti-matter factory is the only place in the world where antiprotons can be produced stored and studied. But the accelerators that make them also generate electromagnetic fluctuations that blur precision measurements. Moving the antimatter to quieter environments could boost experimental accuracy by 100 to 1,000 times. So they're just getting it away from the shit that can interrupt with its studies. Do you also think this is kind of like a last hurrah

for a while. I feel like they're like, F it. Because they're shutting everything down for retrofitting and I guess the large Hadron Collider shutting down until 2030. And here's maybe your answer. What are the what are the right winger is going to complain about now? I know, right? No more alternate universe. CERN, stop jumping our timelines, sir. The ultimate goal is to ship antiprotons to other European labs starting with Heinrich Heinrich Heinz University in Dusseldorf for very high precision measurements of antiproton properties. In Dusseldorf, oh, look, I got to say, I got to say this right now. If Dusseldorf, if you kill us all, I'll be real upset with you.

Because I only have Dusseldorf, I love Zeus, you're cool. I don't want to, I don't want the world to end because of Dusseldorf. Yeah, that'd be unfortunate. Don't end everything. I mean, if it did, it be hilarious, the aliens are going to kick out of that shit. You love it so much that you don't want the world to end because of it. Yeah, like I like Dusseldorf, but I don't want to die because of Dusseldorf. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Me neither. To be honest, I don't know as shit about Dusseldorf, and I don't want to die because of Dusseldorf. That's it. That's, I just thought it's interesting. They moved some protons, anti-protons for the first time and didn't cause total annihilation. So that's good. I just want to say, I think it's great that if you go right now and look up because I wanted to go get specifics on the CERN shutting down, every article is like, it's not permanent. Don't freak out, which I think is incredible. incredibly interesting that a lot of people are like, why is it shutting down? Is something broken? Are we all going to die? Oh my God.

They're literally like, this has been planned for years. We are already past the life of what we thought it was going to be. We're shutting down and then making it better for 2030. Yeah. It's got to get some more done. We're going to do. We're going to jump timelines even faster than we were before.

I can't wait. Maybe we'll find a good one. Yeah. Maybe we, hopefully it's not just a continuous cascade downward in, uh, in alternate timelines. Hopefully we don't find the right one,

but go home. and there's a squeaky, you know, gate. And we're like, oh, man, that's not our home because it's a squeaky gate. Oh, no, wait, it's not a squeaky gate. It always was a squeaky gate. That's right. It was always a squeaky gate. But it turns out when we leave, it actually got finally fixed.

It's actually a totally silent. We were in the entire time, but we screwed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And the only thing, the only thing Dusseldorf will dozoldorf will do to me is give me some good sourbrotten from time to time. Absolutely. Go watch the show. Sliders, if you want to get that reference.

Sliders is, if you watch this show, you got to watch sliders. At least, at least for a little bit. Yeah. Except for the episode where they get trapped in the Statue of Liberty in a world filled with water. No, thanks. Jesse's biggest nightmare in the world. No, they really hyped up like, there's something at the water. No, no, no, thanks.

That's, we got to do an underwater mystery just to creep Jesse out. That's not, though. They got tons. There's infinite. There are a ton out there. What if we don't? What if we don't? All right, boys.

Thank you so much. What was that sound is a good underwater mystery? What was that sound? That's a good one. What? What is that thing over there? That, yeah,

that's another one. I'm sorry, guys. I stepped on the outro, and it's like, now we're stuck here forever. You got to finish the bit until we understand. This is our penance.

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