Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: Sleeping People Converse in Dreams

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Originally Minisode 203 on Patreon The boys discuss the discovery of "proto" communication via dreams! All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro

Welcome. Sorry, I was vibrating in sympathy with you. Yeah, there we go. Dr. Feel Good PhD to the show. Oh, thank you. Thank you. A guest. I'm not a medical doctor. No, he's a doctor feeling great.

Yeah, I'm just a doctor who feels good. PhD. Sets you up. Yeah. Sets you up nice. What do you got for us today boys I got a cool one kind of Captain coochie esque Okay, I like this sometimes I forget that Captain coochie isn't just like a dirty thing but actually

Keyline pie is I forget delicious delicious keyline pie So this is from user LetterTheta on the Internet Mysteries subreddit. This is an incredible sort of interesting little thing that's just kind of like under the radar, but I have some links you can check out as I go and you can see. I'll read through this. But just it's a thing that is giving me major Captain Kitchie vibes and I thought it was kind of interesting. This is a post called, large group of bizarre connected wiki dot wikis and related sites. Relatively sure it's a fraudulent

certification scheme but would like outside input. Hello internet mysteries people I apologize if that doesn't if this doesn't meet the criteria for this sub and I'd be grateful for direction if it isn't. But I felt I was interesting enough to share. In May of this year, a friend of mine was attempting to scrape several wiki hosting sites Eventually they began doing so with wiki dot and immediately came across several dozen unusual wikis in Mandarin Almost all of them began with a city name followed by certificate EG shaman certificate, which is right here. I'll send you that right now

It's first one boom Yan Chang certificate yeah it's just the Chinese way it's just that it's in it's in Mandarin along with a clear advertisement and a phone number so I was inclined to write them off as contact information for some scam service. However, in the first one I looked at, which was that first one I sent you, after the advertisement, there was a large block of text apparently complaining about airlines,

drunk driving, and Chinese politicians. In another, which is this one here, if you want to look at it, I mean, I don't know how much you're gonna get out of it because you can't read Mandarin But there goes another one. Google will translate it to English. That's fair There's a big chunk of repeated text invoking Xitigarba Followed by a complaint against CGTN presenter Liu Xin for hiring internet trolls As far as I can tell none of these text blocks are repeated between wikis against CGTN presenter Liu Xin for hiring internet trolls.

As far as I can tell, none of these text blocks are repeated between Wikis, okay? So what we have are like, almost like messages hidden in entire Wikis. At the bottom of most of them is also a link to a different Wiki creating chains. The longest I found was 10 long, starting with this one. So if you want to

follow it down, here's another chain of wikis for you guys, which and and and I'm out of safety, I'm not going to share these links on the show, you can just take my word for it and go find this post on internet mysteries called large group of bizarre connected wiki dot wikis. Okay, because then you can click on them at

your own risk. I don't want to Get our fucking show pulled down again for having scam websites in the URL. Yeah, I know Which is what happened last time so this one that I just linked you to complains about a massive car pileup. Oh My god Stop it. I love you. Stop it. I ain't gonna do it So this one was complaining about a car pile up on the sue suey bay expressway that the state didn't report on There was another chain that eventually took this chain But I forgot to save it on my notes looking to the users that created the wikis

I estimated that for every three wikis, there was a new creator account. This is probably because new users get five free wikis each. Comparing them, comparing three of them, showed that all had identical edit histories offset by a few minutes, which to me indicated bot accounts.

Finally though, this is probably unrelated. All of them share the same gallery, which is this one, though they access it through different links. But this you can see is just black and white photos of what the poster presumes to be New York in which I think they're right about. Just looking at the images in there, but it's like a big giant image gallery of black and white photos of New York So okay, these are these all these wikis all these wikis share this and it's a lot of pictures It's like ten pages with like fifty pictures each on them or something. It's a bunch. It's a bunch of pictures My friend said there were at least two thousand wikis in this vein

But unfortunately we have since lost contact and they never showed the full list while I am inclined to believe them. I cannot prove this number once again I'm practically certain. This is just an access portal to a certificate fraud service, but I still would like to know What's with the weird blocks of text? Why do these links chain? Is it an SEO thing? Why is this on wiki.dot? I assume it's a cost and secrecy thing. What's with the shared gallery photos? There's they also include a link of all the a list of all the links that they Saved that have different chains that you can go down that like lead all the way down And then there's another one that is like this one here I'll send you that is doesn't have the text blocks on it, but it's like

Older and like nicer looking but it has like similarities to it and connects So yeah, this one's like a little bit nicer made but it's another certificate processing site so an interesting thing I don't really know just an internet oddity that almost feels like some kind of strange AI or like bot behavior, I don't know. There's even a Bandcamp that is part of this thing that you can go to that also has the similar format to it. It seems to be a certificate processing service, but it's literally a bandcamp. And it also has, if you go down to the bottom, you can see all these different tags for more bandcamps in a chain. It's kind of interesting. There's like, it's just a whole weird kind of octopusing tesser tessellating internet

mystery. I don't know. What do you think about that? I mean, reading these, these posts in in English it seems like raving lunacy. Like it's a lot of rambling. Yeah. Yeah, it's very bizarre. So what do you what do you think? I gotta go on internet mysteries more often. These are a treat. Like what the hell is this? Like I understand that like there could be some sort of SEO scam scan but I just and I don't really understand what a certificate is like a certificate certification scheme like I guess like getting certifications for jobs but yeah I don't know it's a it's a

fascinating rabbit hole that just goes and goes and goes and it's more interesting nowadays since our browsers can just translate languages quickly. So if you have a chance, go check that one out. I'll give you a link to the post actually, if you guys want. But I just don't think I'm going to include the links in case it bodies anybody's computer. Fair. Let's take us out to the land of weird scams in the land of potential scientific firsts. A startup claims have successfully achieved the first chat between two dreaming humans.

Researchers for California startup claim they achieved the first ever communication between two humans dreaming and what they dubbed a historic milestone. REM space, a San Francisco Bay area-based neurotech company focused on lucid dreaming and sleep enhancement shared that they have now twice had, quote, two individuals successfully induced lucid dreams and exchanged a simple message. The company claimed the participants were sleeping

at their homes on September 24th when their specially developed apparatus, like a fucking thing on their head, remotely tracked their polysomnographic data through wifi, recording their brain waves, blood oxygen levels, heart rate, and breathing during sleep. After the company's server detected that one of the candidates had entered a lucid dreaming state it generated a random word and repeated it to him via earbuds.

The company has not shared the word, which was allegedly only known to the participant and repeated in his dream state, but his response was then recorded and stored on their server. Eight minutes later, the second candidate entered a lucid dream and the server transmitted the stored message to them, which they repeated upon waking up, marking the first ever quote unquote chat exchange in dreams. Researchers at REM space have achieved this is from them quote researchers at REM space have achieved a historic milestone demonstrating that lucid dreams could unlock new dimensions of communication and humanity potential the company said about the last month's experiment lucid dreaming occurs if you

don't know lucid dreaming is means like you wake up in a dream and you kind of know you're in dream you have control over the dream I don't I haven't lucid dream before haven't you either by accident up in a dream and you kind of know you're in dream. You have control over the dream. I don't I haven't lucid dream before. Haven't you? Have you either? By accident, briefly in a dream, but never like have I induced lucid dreaming like one of those ways that people do. Yeah, me either. So basically, they measured their brain waves when they were supposedly like saying,

like, it's a bunch of stuff that I don't understand. However, it's interesting. And they go on to say that the though the startup has not disclosed how the technology in its specially designed equipment works. REM space announced that the last week that the paper on communication within lucid dreams has already been written and submitted for review to a scientific journal and that it anticipates its publication within next two to six months. So it's off to a scientific journal now, it's being reviewed and I imagine if it gets approved, they'll probably like show how it all works. It's really similar to the study that we did in the dream episode with Pat.

I think it was a couple of months ago where it was like they were able to like sit in two different rooms and like give a math problem to each other or something like that. But that was like, but that was like both subjects in the same lab This seems like almost like an evolution is a separate. It's pretty yeah, which is pretty crazy. They're trying to see if it's possible hmm Uh, it's it's weird. I know human consciousness is fascinating dream states fascinating. You know, it's just weird what can be done and what can't All right, Jesse. What do you got take us out of here? quasars is What I have Okay, Zars

extremely bright celestial objects that are believed to be like a Bunch of massive black holes together sucking up every damn thing The the current theory is like really clear evocative. Yeah, the current theory is that really clear. Evocative, yeah. The current theory is that they play a role in the evolution of galaxies in some way. I don't look, I don't have an idea of how that works. But quasars? Quasars.

Yeah. Yeah. So they're the ones that like flash a lot, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're the ones that when you see a bunch of footage of like deep space blinking at you, it's a quasar. Many of these objects are considered a long time ago by our standards because we're seeing like way back in the past. But they occupy galactic neighborhoods where there's dozens and dozens of Quasars and these are called quasar fields however

Because we have gotten some really great stuff with the James Webb telescope Some questions have come up that we have not had to deal with before so um Basically some of these objects these quasars exist much further apart from the galaxies most commonly associated with them. So, astronomers are using the James Webb to find these lonely quasars that appear to date back more than 13 billion years, raising a lot of questions

about how they could have formed at such an early period in the universe's life. And assuming that, you know, quasars exist in areas dense with primordial matter, because quasars need something to feed them, right? Like that's the whole point of a quasar. If you Google quasar, you'll see kind of what the image is and you'll understand. Oh, yeah. No that definitely needs something to eat Right because it's like it's oh my very cool quasars are awesome looking quasars are cool shit

It's nice. It's cool shit, but new observations out of MIT Question how these ancient objects could appear in regions without like I said evidence of Matter rich galactic environments, right? They got nothing to suck up there can't be a quasar one possibility astronomers propose Is that these celestial giants may have formed in areas where you know, there may be? Galaxies that we never even have seen thought of considered before but perhaps they're obstructed by quantities of cosmic debris and we just can't detect them the problem with that is you know since accounting for the presence of

quasars always other things in the universe the 13 billion years is a problem and the cosmic process for having all the matter around really wouldn't have like there wouldn't have been stuff to suck up at that time period and if there was and they were sucked up by quasars how would it have spread how would we have existed like that kind of thing and what kind of large objects could have fed into these quasars that are so very, very, very old? The main question we're trying to answer is, how do these billion solar mass black holes form at a time when the universe is still really, really young?

Says Anna Christina Elyers. And I think that's fascinating. I'm super, super interested in this because it's one of those things where it's like, again, we just discovered something crazy new that we don't understand, Fascinating. I'm super super interested in this because it's one of those things where it's like again We just discovered something crazy new that we don't understand and and I don't know how we'll figure it out This kind of goes back to the a few weeks back. There was a an article about new theories into what Dark matter is and how dark matter may just be something else and not dark matter

But it's still I guess technically would be dark matter because it's just another thing taking Dark Matter's place like it It's fascinating the more we learn the less we know I love this kind of stuff. They're like how's it possible? it goes back to the idea of Maybe light speed. This is another thing that came out recently that I think is fascinating light speed as an idea We think if it goes speed of light it goes to speed of light forever But there's now science that is like well, maybe speed of light over time slows down tired light. Yeah, yeah and so Yeah, exactly tired light

That changes how we would see the universe is if the speed of light eventually decreases, what does that tell us? Which is a whole other thing. Fascinating. It's interesting because I read another theory the other day about the, because like space is just like, every time we look at it, it's very, it's like, doesn't make sense as we understand it.

And they were talking about quantum science and like, you know, until one thing is, until something is measured or observed, it is it is all things at all times. And it's just the idea of like, what if everything exists at all times and its consciousness forces a measurement because that's just how it like the only way we can kind of push through like our existence is that consciousness is forcing something to pick a state for our own self. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna demand our audience or you two gentlemen watch this.

But if you're inclined to have some fun, the new Disney plus Agatha series. It's actually really fun. I'm actually super fun. That show. It's the most recent episode. I guess so. But by the time you hear this, not not the most recent the previous episode before the most recent um The Tarot card by Lilia yes literally is kind of that where it's about time not having meaning but also existing at the same time and Everything that it's fascinating the premise is unstocked from time essentially her consciousness Just free flows through her existence, and it's just like and she can't control it and it's like yeah, it's great

it's definitely like but it's the idea that like She she sees all of those times so she isn't just in The present she isn't just in the past she like hops back and forth, but she sees all of it at the same time and Has trouble expressing it which I think is so such a cool concept I don't want to spoil what happens but it's like dope and it's this kind of vibe what I was like yo this might be the best episode of this show I was like what and what it's a great I got to watch it I love that they had such a strict budget so it forced them to just like really use every ounce of it.

I mean it's basically just they hired a bunch of really great actors and it's clearly made on the cheap. Yeah compared to other Disney, it's made on the cheap and it's like Just fun. The story is great. It's like a fun story. I'll take that. Did you guys hear they did? Did you hear they discovered a new Mayan city yesterday? Yes, I did see that. They keep discovering them in the jungles. They keep doing like that happens Yeah, but again, it was the idea of the famous story that Cortez went went into the like the jungle So all these amazing cities left came back and when he did everyone was dead and the cities were empty because they killed them with disease Yeah, like the Europeans and so it took so long for them to go back and come back that when they got there it was dead

Right. That's already I can guarantee that happened with so many civilizations and like the deep Amazon. Oh, yeah Yeah, so crazy. Yeah for sure crazy Well on that bit gentlemen, we'll leave you. Thank you guys so much here at patreon.com slash illuminati pod We appreciate your support. We'll be back next week with another mini-sode. I hope you guys enjoyed Oh, well, this is going on after Halloween, so I hope you had a nice Halloween spooky Bye