Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: The AARO UAP Report

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Originally Minisode 199 on Patreon, October of 2024 NEW MOFFMIN PLUSH MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Show art by - https://twitter.com/JetpackBraggin http://www.instagram.com/studio_melectro DOD Tweet - https://x.com/DoD_AARO/status/1841263612628733990 Direct Link to Manual - https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/UFOsandUAPs/24-F-0067-UAP_JS_GENADMIN.pdf Negative Time Article - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-of-negative-time-found-in-quantum-physics-experiment/ Spy Whale - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvaldimir Skyquake - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyquake

Hello my little children. Welcome to the Minnesota 199. One more and we're at Minnesota 200 already. Nice and easy. This podcast has both been around way longer than I ever expected and it still feels so much shorter than it really has been. Do you guys remember how fun Minnesota 100 was? You better not.

I swear to God, I will get up and leave. I will be like bye like I'm going home I'm gonna get one of those looping looping like 10 second images of myself in a very neutral spot Yeah, I just should prepare a video of yeah, just like bring a video Just press play and like leave the room. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bye Larry, uh, I mean, I'm nervous now. What the hell next week's going to be. I promise I have no plans. Yeah, doesn't mean OK. Yeah, fair enough. What do you got today, boys?

I got to I'll say mine to the end just in case. Because I got the one that I was going to do when we ended up talking about UFOs. Say I have my one from last time. Let's go. Let's go. Let's do both of those. I got Valdemir. Valdemir. What? What? So in 2019, off the coast of Norway, like the cousin of Valiant Thor. No, he took me a couple of seconds. I didn't really think on that. I think it's I think it's a pun because because in Norway,

whale is vol vol like with a H vol vol. Val. Val. Or fail. I don't know. I don't know. I'm Dutch. Does that count? Am I Norwegian? No, it does not. I'm not.

But it's Val de Mere. So it's like Vladimir, but it's like Val de Mere because this whale was discovered off the coast of Norway and he had a camera harness on that said equipment St. Petersburg. So people theorize that he's some kind of like Russian spy whale. Because after they found him, they didn't like capture him or anything.

And he just sort of like went around and would like go to fish farms and he like was really socialized to people and he would like go to fish farms and he like, was really socialized to people and he would like, look for interaction and look for hand signals. He was 13 feet long. He was like a ton. He got a kayakers GoPro. He went viral for it. He played fetch with a rugby ball. There's one of those underwater drones and he was like, interested in it and playing around with it in a very like, very feeling way if you know what I'm saying. But also it started to get bad because he also started started having scars like a manatee gets from like. Motors and stuff. Yeah like boat propellers and stuff like that. And because he's sociable, and because he's solitary, people started to get worried that he

wasn't so safe. And last year in Sweden, you know, they saw him, and people were starting to get worried because there's more people in Sweden and less fish than in the Norway, which is not a good recipe for this Valdimir. And there are two nonprofits already that exist that are all about Valdimir. One is called One Whale. That's all about just him being safe from tourists and shit.

And the other one is Marine Mind, which tracks him and just uses him as like an ambassador to teach about the ocean in general. And so with the cooperation of the Norwegian government, one whale was actively working to like get Valdemir relocate him to some Arctic beluga whales, because he's a beluga whale. And that's where beluga whales normally are in the Arctic waters. And so they were starting to get a plan together and actually announced a plan to transport him. But like a couple weeks ago, this up this was from September 3, and it said on

Saturday, he was found. So a couple days before the third, he was found dead. outside of Stavanger, Norway, heavily trafficked waters. And they found him floating peacefully in the water. The quote from Marine Mind was quote, it is not immediately clear what caused his death. A necropsy will be conducted to determine his early passing. He was supposed to be about 14, 14 or 15 years old. And these beluga whales usually live about twice that. The Norwegian veterinary Institute conduct was going to is going to conduct it. I don't know if it's happened yet. They're going to release the results in a couple weeks, so that's probably pretty soon

if it hasn't come out yet. And there's some controversy because OneWheel also made an announcement and in their announcement it said that his death, quote, was not a natural death. So the founder of the OneWhe one will or she made some videos on Instagram. And she said that she saw quote, holes pouring with blood from his body. And that out of a bunch, I don't know, out of a team of marine by out of a team of marine biologists, and veterinarians who looked at the pictures of

Voldemort's injuries, quote, not one of them believe that Voldemort died of natural causes. We the pictures of Voldemir's injuries, quote, not one of them believed that Voldemir died of natural causes. We got to visit Voldemir today ourselves and see him and say goodbye. And there was no question that he was dying from something very unnatural and heartbreaking. So she says it was people who wanted to block his move

and spread misinformation about his injuries. She said it was like people were trying to play it down. And they don't know what happened, but they think maybe that, you know, the Russian Navy uses whales and dolphins from time to time. The US has done similar things. The Kremlin has never said anything about Valdimir, but there was a therapy whale also named Samon,

who went missing, who was a missing Russian therapy whale. So nobody knows, and whether that's nobody, nobody knows whether he was like killed by just some assholes, or in an accident, or what. But story goes that like, you know, it could be that he was a Russian spy who was killed for what he saw. But he was a fucking beluga whale. Yeah, that's a hell of a jump.

Let me I'm going to see if the necropsy results. Valdemir's autopsy uncovers bizarre find. But mystery remains over the whale's death. So this is from a little days later. No gunshot wounds. So that, so he just, so that means no holes or the holes? Visible wounds, visible wounds that are superficial. One of the wounds is kind of deep, but none of them affected organs or fatal. but none of them affected organs or fatal. Bizarre finding inside his mouth 35 centimeter long stick lodged in his mouth, which could have discomforted or hindered his ability to feed. But it is unclear how long the stick had been there and whether it played any role in his death. He had an empty

stomach. Many of his internal organs were already rotting by the time that his body was found. So nobody. People are people are wondering if maybe he got a stick stuck in his mouth and starved to death. No direct evidence of human involvement. And that's where it's at. Interesting. Very weird. Interesting. There. That thought it was going to be aliens. But now it's just sad whale death. Could be that he was taken out because he was a Russian spy who saw too much. So he got with a stick.

Yeah, you never know. That stick could have been laced with the Iranian dude. Yeah, it's true. All right. What do you got? What do you got, Jesse? Palladium stick. Mine is not about a stick, but could be aliens, but probably isn't. Okay. But, uh, so this comes from the BBC. I saw this on TV and I was like, what? And I want to talk about it last week, but, uh, thankfully the BBC website has another article about this.

And so I thought it was really interesting. So this was about sky quakes and I don't know if you've ever heard of these, but apparently they are very real. The way the article starts is if you've ever heard of these, but apparently they are very real. The way the article starts is if you've ever heard a loud, distant booming noise with no obvious explanation, like a thunderstorm or a car backfiring, you may have experienced a skyquake. Okay. So skyquakes in the BBC, they were talking about it there, but this article says like

near Seneca Lake in New York, they're known as Seneca guns in Belgium. They're called mist bofers and Japanese they're referred to as umunari, which means cries from the sea. Meath bofers? Mist P O E furs. Yeah, miss bofers. Yeah, you're there. Um, but people have been trying to explain these for a long time, be it, um, solar flares or shallow earthquakes or off source tsunamis or underwater caves collapsing avalanches, whatever people have said, maybe Sonic booms from military aircraft, but these have been

around longer than planes that can break the sound barrier, uh, have existed. And some scientists are like, okay, maybe it's a meteor. Maybe it's a meteor hits the earth atmosphere and explodes. It could be all sorts of different things. There's also gas that could escape from lake sediments. There literally people do not know. And so in 2020, a research study at the University of North Carolina cross-referenced local news articles with data collected by a network of atmospheric sensors and seismographs, and were unable to identify any earthquake activity that coincided with the events. So

they concluded the sounds have to be coming from the atmosphere. And then, given the diversity of locations, it's possible that different parts of the world have different causes, because, you know, like an underwater cave or whatever, they're not everywhere. They thought, okay, maybe lakes have something to do with it, right? Like surely, like Lake Seneca, like maybe Skyquakes are related to bodies of water near like lakes, but they have no real evidence of that to support that.

And it just continues to remain a mystery. And scientists don't know why. You'll just hear like a boom sound from the sky. And I thought that was super interesting and very relative to this show. It's just like a weird science thing that I saw an art like the thing about on the BBC. It was like, that's curious. And yeah, no one knows why it exists. It's just something that happens and we have no answers.

That's cool. That's fucking wild. No, that's really interesting. I never, I never heard of this before at all. It's from fucking Harry Potter. It sounds like made up. Oh, you haven't heard of Skyquake? Yeah, and I was like, Skyquake,

it reminded me when I heard it of, I remember being, I don't know, like 20 and hearing someone say for the first time, thunder snow. And they're like, it's a thunderstorm, but with snow. And I was like, never once have I heard of that before. And I don't know if this is just a phenomenon that has always existed. They just gave a name to it. Or if it's like, I just don't know.

But I think it's fascinating that we have no answers for this. And yeah, I'm from California. We got none of this. No one knows what the hell it is, but it keeps happening all over the world. That's cool. Sure. Interesting. Yep. Well, I've got two things. One's one's going to be science related, but I want to start with something a little smaller. So the just a little UAP update. We know ARO Sean Kirkpatrick left months ago at this point. I was like four or five months ago at this point. We you know there's a lot of contention as to how he ran the ARO without getting title 50 clearance and dismissing and not looking into other certain cases. But beside the point he eventually left the ARO did not disappear.

They appointed a new director on August 24th. So he's been there for a little over a month, about a month and a week or so. This person is individual is Dr. John D. Koslowski. He's been, basically comes from the same branches of government that we're talking like Christopher Mellon, Louis Elizondo, Grush. He's from that area of the military.

Christopher Mellon says he thinks he might be very good to have in that position. But that's all beside the point. What ended up happening was yesterday, October 1st, the all domain, the ARO tweeted two tweets that kind of just went out there and ignored. There's like 80 likes on it. There's like barely anything there. But they released a nine page. What do they call it?

It's on the military, the defense.gov site or let me click it open for you and I can send you guys a link. But this copy paste is the link they tweeted. That's an exciting realize chrome extension there. Hang on. I can get that part off. There you go. I'll read it. So they were two tweets. That's an centralized Chrome extension there. Hang on. I can get that part off. There you go.

I'll read it. So there are two tweets. First they said, read the Gen admin message here. And that's what they posted. The second tweet was then posted. The joint staff general administrative message also directs the military services and combatant commands to transfer all data from UAP incidents, incursions and engagements, as well as any recovered UAP objects and materials. And then they post this nine page report, not report rather,

it's a PhD that is the walkthrough essentially of how the fuck to report, what, if you, what you have and how to report it. And they break down in detail, what they mean by UAP. It's extremely detailed. It's extremely detailed. There are people who are like, oh, it's just them how to deal with like, you know, technology that comes from another country. I know it's more than that. If you look in, they walk you through the operations, who you talk to and whatnot. Then they go into the definition section, which is at the bottom of page one, two, three. Three, yeah, bottom of page three, is that where it is?

Yep, there it is, bottom of page three. And it's the definitions, what the definition of a UAP is. Which they say are sources of anomalous detections in one or more domain, airborne, seaborne, spaceborne, and or transmedium they say spaceborne uap are sources of anomalous detections above the carmen line i.e 100 kilometers above earth's mean sea level airborne uap are sources of anomalous detections between earth's mean sea level in the carmen line seaborne uap are sources of anomalous detections at or below earth main mean sea level transmedium uap are sources of anomalous detections at or below Earth's mean sea level. Transmedium UAP are sources

of anomalous detections that transit more than one domain. They say UAP objects are corporeal artifacts or unidentified anomalous phenomena. UAP may contain one or more UAP objects. Airborne craft exhibiting apparent anomalous capabilities. UAP material are samples in whole or in part of UAP objects. They're talking about the datum, how any record of UAP detection, observation, identification, effects on persons or equipment, mitigation, and material exploitation. UAP datum includes but is not limited to observer, debriefer, an investigator, notes and reports, still photographs, and full motion video, audio audio recordings and platform and sensor instrument recordings. The UAP incident is any occurrence where UAP is detected by persons or sensors.

A UAP incursion is any UAP incident in on or near US military installations, operating areas, training areas, special use airspace, SUA, proximity operations and or other areas of interest. It implies so much weirdness is going on. Then so that's how the definitions go down like another page. Yeah. Then there's the UAP reporting, how to report specific incidents, which is an entire separate page itself.

Then there's counterintelligence notifications, required documentation for data transfers, required documentation for material transfers. They walk you through how you would transfer material to the aro The tasks and who to report to all this shit is all out there now What's interesting is this document was foiled about a month ago by somebody else entirely It looks like a design document for a video game. It kind of yeah, kinda This was foiled for like a month or so ago by somebody else not Green Street who runs Blackfall But just somebody else entirely.

But this was put up unprompted just yesterday by the ARO themselves without anything else. Just that's it. This is what they put out there. And it's interesting just because it's out there in the public via ARO specifically, not like a weird FOIA document that nobody's going to go look for. But even this tweet is like barely seen. This was created in May of 2023. And it goes through like who's included like the CNO Washington DC HQ DACA as well. Like all these fucking names. It's worth reading. It's worth downloading and checking out if you have any interest because it's just kind of got put out there very quietly. And that was

it. It's just kind of out there. Let me so besides the very interesting things that are in this, I love the definitions. It feels very like control. Like when you find a document in control. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But pretend I don't know the background of this. What does this change or do? Exactly. This is merely an acknowledgement that the AARO has come up with actual step-by-steps how to deal with UAP material, UAP sightings, that these things are actively have a government structure and how to handle it. And that if there is UAP material, the government has an actual step-by-step instruction as to how to handle it.

So I guess my question is, is this confirmation that it exists or confirmation that the government's like, Oh boy, we probably should have some guidelines just in case this becomes a thing. What it tells is like, I don't know if it means it is a bureaucracy or is it like, cause if it's developed in 2023, that's when all this stuff was starting to pick up. And I wonder if in the government, they're like, we, we have to like have something for them to do versus it being like we have all these

alien parts like we got to, you know, yeah, it basically is. It's a good question because what they say is it's like a directive to the joint staff general administrative office and directs military services and combatants to like use this as how you're going to report it. And it also says that they are supposed to hand over anything they have. I don't know if it means they have anything. Obviously they're not saying it. And it also says that they are supposed to hand over anything they have. I don't know if it means they have anything obviously, they're

not saying it, but it does mean that it preparing if that's just in case that's exactly like at the very minimum. It means they see it as real enough to have like an official document as to how to deal with it. That is now public but kind of just like kind of farted out there and the void of Twitter way that it's worded and what it implies. It makes my imagination go the void of Twitter way that it's worded and what it implies it makes my

Imagination the shit the shit that's that's just valuable in here is just how they break down each definition and what they mean by every specific Thing so there's no question to what they mean when we see in a transmedium craft It's a very bureaucratic document again, it feels like when you read a thing in control and it's like whenever you deal with the TV that turns you into a two dimensional character, there's the operation and it's like, well, will it ever turn me into it? Probably not. But should it happen? I have all the information I need enough to be worried and

I believe or at least to set up some sort of like thing. And again, the thing is like interesting is like, you know, they have the thing about the things that fly over military and special access things like all these things that we've talked about. And yeah, so we'll see. I don't know. This is a zombie one, right?

There's you know, there's there's other ones. Yeah, fair. Yeah, that's like so it's just interesting. We'll see what the director does. I'm really curious to see what the air does. But again, the funding got denied via the bump. Their funding got denied as we talked about from Rand Paul. But that's not them. That's just something interesting.

I want people to go check it out. I just think it's fascinating read because it's just fucking cool. But the other neat thing I want to talk about and I texted this to you boys the other day is this comes from Scientific American evidence of quote unquote negative time found found in a quantum physics experiment. This just sounds so sick. This just sounds like some DC Comics shit.

And obviously they negative time is sensationalizing it. But what is happening shouldn't also be happening. It's just very bizarre and they can't make sense of it. So let me go through it. Physicists showed that photons can seem to exit a material before entering it, revealing observational evidence of negative time. Quantum physicists are familiar with blah blah blah blah. Sometimes as waves, particles can be connected to one another by a quote unquote spooky action at a distance, even over great distances. And quantum objects can detach themselves from their properties.

They use like the Cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland attached itself from its grin. Now, researchers led by Daniela Angelo of the University of Toronto have revealed another oddball quantum outcome. Photons wave particles of light can spend a negative amount of time zipping through a cloud of chilled atoms. In other words, photons can seem to exit a material before entering it. It took a positive amount of time, but our experiment observing that photons can make atoms seem to spend a negative amount of time in the excited state is up, wrote a from Steinberg, a physicist at the University of Toronto in a post on Twitter and the new study, which was uploaded to the preprint server at ARXIV.org

on September 5th, but has yet to be peer reviewed. The idea for this work emerged in 2017, they said. At the time, Steinberg and a lab colleague, then doctoral student Josiah Sinclair, were interested in the interaction of light and matter. So what they basically say is what they do is they take a photon and they fire it through a cloud of electrons. And when it goes through a photon will either bump into something to interact with it, which excites the photon for a little bit before it comes out on the other side, or it will like mist them and just come out the other

side of the cloud. And what they're noticing is like sometimes the photon starts reacting as though it interacted with an electron prior to it even reacting with an electron. And sometimes it'll come out of the cloud and after it comes out of the cloud, then the electron acts like it got bumped into. And it just like, which the time there makes no sense. Both ways, it's the cause is coming before the effects. Sometimes, yeah.

And somebody put- Does this have to do with our ability to measure it though? I'm not a quantum scientist, I don't know. I mean, what are we talking, like at that point, what are we talking about? So here's what they say, after three years of planning, his team developed an apparatus to test this question in the lab. Their experiments involved shooting photons

through a cloud of ultra cold rubidium items and measuring the resulting degree of the atomic excitation. Two surprises emerged from the experiment. Sometimes photons would pass through unscathed, yet the rubidium atoms would still become excited. And for just as long as if they had absorbed those photons, stranger still, when photons were absorbed, they would seem to be remitted almost instantly

well before the rubidium atoms returned to their ground state, as if the photons on average were leaving the atoms quicker than expected. And I remember reading somebody put up like a metaphor to really Eli five it. And this is obviously a vast and gross oversimplification. What they say is like, imagine I let you borrow a dollar and I know you're going to you're going to give me that dollar back at some point. I don't know when you're going to give it back to me, but you're going to give it back to me over the course of the next few days. While I'm waiting for you to give me back the dollar every once in a while when I look in my wallet. Most of the time it's empty, but there's a dollar there out of nowhere and then it won't be there forever until you actually give it back to me and they set their stated ground, grounded states as they're supposed to be because then it puts the atom back where it started.

It's all very, very complicated. And I'm trying. I can only barely grasp at the barest of fundamentals, maybe, but it's the, I'm just going to lean on the professionals and say that their theoretical framework and the tests, you know, all the people that made cool posts on Reddit and videos for us about science stuff. Yeah, we need you. Where are you at? Yeah, we want you for this. I want that. I want someone to make me a big post. That's like here's the science dumb dumb. Like I want that so badly. Yeah, so they'll say the last part I'll read is like to understand

the nonsensical finding you can think of photons as the fuzzy quantum objects that they are in which any given photons absorption in remission through an atomic excitation is not guaranteed to occur over a certain fixed amount of time. Rather, it takes place across a smeared out probabilistic range of temporal values as demonstrated by the team's experiments. These values can encompass instances when an individual photons transmit time is instantaneous or bizarrely when it concludes before the atomic excitation is ceased, which

gives a negative value. Basically, the excitation should stop the moment the photon is not interacting with it. But the excitation continues even when it comes out of the cloud sometimes. And they say, quote, I can promise you that we were completely surprised by this prediction. As soon as we were confident we hadn't made a mistake. Steinberg and the rest of the team, I had to move on to do a postdoc at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology by this point and began planning to do a follow up experiment to test this crazy prediction of negative dwell time and see if the theory would hold up.

So yeah, fucking fuck. I don't fucking know, man. Like it's weird. One of those things where I need like a visual aid. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Like firing like particles and how it's like it forms two lines, but sometimes like I needed

a visual aid to understand that whole bit quantum mechanics. This is one of those same things from like, hold on. Wait, what? Yeah, what they mean by negative time. I think is the thing there's like they shoot it in the cloud. It comes out instantaneously and then items excite like they're still in there. It's not true negative time.

It's just it shouldn't be an instantaneous transmission and then have the vibrating electrons afterward. It should all be happening as it's moving through. And that's what's weird about it. So it's like a negative time, a negative reaction time from the atoms within the cold Rubicon cloud or whatever it was called. So it's fucking weird. I can't pretend to fully understand it, but it's definitely weird. Crazy. Crazy. I'll leave you on that.

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