Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini: The Ballad of Bobby Beausoleil

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

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After that giant Charles Manson chunk of reading that I just did. Made the foundation quite well. I feel like there should be questions, but you should understand what happened. And I feel like that's where I feel like that's where I meant. I had my questions back specifically because you said next episode is the one. Yeah, we'll have a question fest at the beginning of next episode also. or we'll talk about some stuff. But I did promise thee, as part of the Charles Manson episode,

a fully scripted minisode called The Ballad of Bobby Boussela, which I've got here for you right now. You guys want to just get right into it? Please sing us the ballad. So this little side story is based on an article from 2019 that's in Rolling Stone. And it chucks us back in with Bobby, age 72 now, after having spent 50 years in jail for the murder of Gary Hinman and who try as he might still can't get out from under the specter of Charles Manson who by the way has been dead

since 2017 so sitting in the visitors room he says he's a Buddhist now and that he's quote accepted full responsibility for his actions and killing Mr. Hinman who was his friend by the way and in 2019 after 18 rejections he finds himself recommended for parole because he was no longer, quote, an unreasonable risk to society. But still, there's some question of how his hearing might go, since most people don't have access to biotime cameras like we do at the Chilumani Biofilm Institute to see how things really happen. And there's been lots of different versions of how things went down over the years. But this time, in the wake of a psychological assessment from 2016, it looks like he might be coming home if the new governor,

Gavin Newsom decides to go along with the board. So Bo Selaide is hopeful and even starts making plans and saying goodbyes to people in prison. And back in the mid-60s, after a youth spent being kind of a troublemaker, Bobby made kind of a name for himself in the music world. Here's a quote from the Rolling Stone article, which is by Eric Hedegaard and called The Last Manson Mystery for Mathis to read. That sort of tells Bobby's story here. So here's for Mathis. In San Francisco, he fronted a band called the orchestra. Does it pronounce an orchestra, right?

It's spelled like O-R-K. That at one point played alongside the Grateful Dead, and for a moment he played rhythm guitar in what would become the seminal psychedelic group, love. He was a baby-faced kid who was nicknamed Cupid and wore a top hat around town, carrying himself with enough cool cat swagger that underground filmmaker Kenneth Enger

cast him in a movie project, Lucifer Rising. Like everyone else in those days, he was full on he was full on into being a rebel but then he drifted south from san francisco in 1968 met manson playing music at some roadhouse around l a thought he was talented spent time where manson lived with his gang at spawn ranch had a blast roaring army surplus wagons through death valley never considered himself a member of the manson tribe just like hanging around him laughing getting high having sex playing music being free yeah and here's a quote about that from Bobby Bosley himself, from about that time, which is for Jesse to read right

here. Man, it was great. That's what people don't get. At first, it was just fun. Then again, maybe that's just what Charlie chose to show me, the happy-go, lucky, light-hearted, vagabond musician when he wasn't being so many other things to other people. Whatever works in the moment, that was Charlie's unifying philosophy. I imagine we'll talk a little bit about the next episode, but like, with his girls particular, he would heavily, like, give them way more LSD than he was taking and use that to like basically manipulate them psychologically. There's this sort of state that may or may not, you know, be triggered by LSD that makes

you very, very suggestible. And there's a whole sector of research in a very, very conspicuous project. that's often associated with our fine show that we will talk about a little bit next week. They'll be like, yeah, yeah, I thought figured it was going to be like lore, like, like, reappearances from like other time lords, uh, from previous Doctor Who incarnations that show up next week. We had fucking son of Sam pop up briefly in the main episode. Yeah, it's going to be crazy.

And, and, and, uh, at that time. The 60s were fucking, from what, like, from the outside, the 60s were fucking crazy. The 60s was like, it looks exactly like today. everybody kind of thinks it's the same as it was in the 60s but it might as well be cowboy times it's fucking crazy the 60s are

are cowboy times in 90s close it's so weird yeah yeah Bobby Bosley still plays music today he even completed the soundtrack to that movie Luther Lucifer Rising for Kenneth

Anger while he was in prison he also released six other albums he's led several prison bands he made a custom acoustic electric guitar with a soldering iron and paper clips and a battery. That's crazy. He even makes all kinds of crazy visual art. He also meets with movie stars sometimes about scoring projects, including the legendary

character actor, Holt McAllenie. If you don't know, he's from like Mind Hunter and a bunch of other stuff. He's like the kind of like, he always plays like a guy in a FBI type role. He's like the other guy who's not Jonathan Groff from Mind Hunter, who is an agent. And Holt McAllenie had this to say about Bobby Boussela, which Mathis will read for us now. He's been a model prisoner. I haven't met him and talked with him. My very clear sense is that this is a guy who just wants to try to rebuild what remains of his life.

The notion that he would kill again is preposterous. If he hadn't been tainted by his association with Manson, he would have been paroled long ago. And here's even a quote for Jesse to read from Bobby about what he wants to do when he gets out of jail. So here you go. Is it LSD? No. First thing, I like to get a dog. I'm 71 years old.

I still got women competing with each other over me, and I don't know what the hell that's about. I was married for 31 years to a wonderful human being, and when she died, I don't want to pair up again. This is a different version of Hussie, I feel like, Jesus. Yeah. I just want to be a bachelor and adopt companion, which is, how I did it when I was on the streets before

the only time I've ever gotten into trouble is when I didn't have a dog last one I had was named Hocus Yeah this other thing This has got flavors of Jesse in there Especially when it comes to being like the ladies man And remember he's almost he's almost 80 now Because this was in 2019

That's crazy And then in April of 2019 Gavin Newsom just reversed the decision of the parole board Saying that he knew Bo Slai was only 21 when he did the crime and that he'd been bettering himself in prison, but that still didn't let Newsom get past the crime and the horrificness of it himself. And here is Mathis with a quote from Governor Gavin Newsom.

Mr. Boussela helped perpetuate, the first of the Manson family's atrocious, high-profile murders, and an attempt to start a civilization-ending race war. Mr. Boussela and other Manson family members kept Mr. Hinman hostage and tortured him over several days in an attempt to finance their apocalyptic scheme. When Mr. Hinman refused to cooperate, Mr. Manson sliced Mr. Hinman's throat and severed his ear before Mr. Bosley stabbed him to death.

For the record, Charles Manson did not slice Gary Hinman's throat. I don't know where he got that from, but that doesn't really matter, as there's plenty of people out there, including Hinman's family, who are perfectly fine with Bobby Bosley rotting in jail forever, since that's what they feel he deserves for killing Gary Hinman. As for the mystery, though, one time slice, we did end up grabbing for the minisode, though they don't give us as much budget for the time slices. Comes from an interview that Bosley did with Truman Capote, Truman Capone in 1973,

which will have Mathis and Jesse recreate a portion of you for you now. Mathis is going to be Capote. Yes. And you are going to continue to sound like. I want to know your Capote voice. You're going to be in context. Truman Caponi kind of talks like this. And he's going to talk like a medallion because he's Capote.

Nope, that works for me. All right. Did you see Manson as a leader? That's, is that Italian? He's from the American South, just so you know. Did you feel he influenced by him right away? Hell no. He had his people ahead and mine.

If anyone was influenced, it was him by me. Do you consider killing innocent people a good thing? You sound Swedish kind of insult. I just go. I go where fate takes me. You sound like always sunny when Mack tries to do. He's like, I'm a sweet. Swedish guy?

Okay, we're going Swedish. That's what he is now. Take it again. Take it again, Capote. Which one did I just? Do you consider? Do you consider killing innocent people a good thing? Who said they were innocent? The truth is, the La Bianca's and Sharon Tate were from, and her friends were killed to protect you. I hear where you're coming from. Those were all imitations of the Hidman murder to prove that you couldn't kill Hidman and thereby you got out of jail.

I don't know where I am now in the world, but that's... If a member of our family was in jeopardy, we didn't abandon that person. And so for the love of a brother, a brother who was in jail on a murder rap, all those killings came down. So interesting to see him say our family when he also claims not to have ever been a member of the family. Yeah, yeah. I guess that's what the final mystery of it all. all is though then is like did this actually all go down because charlie feared helter-skelter and really thought it was happening or was this all just some half-baked scheme to get bobby bosley out of jail

that went way too far and got like fucked up beyond all recognition um the author of this article actually did uh go and ask manson about it at some point which is crazy and he said quote i know who did it, but I'm not telling because I don't tell another people. That's called ratting and I'm not a rat. It was not one person. It was a team full. It was all. Everybody. Yikes.

But the truth is, stay in prison. Yeah. The truth is that throughout the article, Bobby goes back and forth and can never really come down on one side of it or the other and kind of like says yes to being it like, because he likes the idea of people looking out for him, but he doesn't like the idea of being

like manipulative and creepy and plotty with other people about it. He doesn't want to seem like he still like sees those people as his people kind of but he likes the kind of fellowship that it gives. And he has also said Charlie told him this yellow drive thing was all just about trying to kill Terry Melcher, which is another thing that like is an

alternative to the helter-skelter theory that we just talked about. But the point is still no one knows and even all these years later nobody trusts Bobby Bosley, not even Governor Gavin Newsom, which is crazy. So I followed up to see what happened to Bobby Bosley between 2019 and 2025. And it is grim. For six, for six fucking years, no movement on Bobby Boussela. And then suddenly in January of 2025 on January 7th, Bobby is once again recommended for parole by the board. And then once again in May, just two months ago, in between dealing with riots, fake riots and ice raids and threats of his own.

incarceration of the president of the United States, Newsom still had time to by hand go in and reverse this dude's parole. So that kind of sucks. And it makes me angry, but also not that angry because

I'm not sure what I think happened here. I'm not sure exactly what I think his crime is, but also he was in prison for a certain crime, described a certain way. And it's like, I don't know, like if you didn't do that a specific crime should you be in jail. I don't know. I just don't know. It's weird. But that is in fact the ballad of Bobby Boussela. And if you want more information on Bobby Boussela, there is an

excellent, excellent, excellent podcast called You Must Remember This. Have you ever heard of that podcast? No. No. You Must Remember This is an incredible podcast that is run by this incredible sort of like Hollywood like sort of she's just like a famous I don't know the podcast has been around for so super long her name's Karina Longworth she's married to Ryan Johnson

she's just like a huge buff about Hollywood and in season four which was like in 2015 she did this thing called Charles Manson's Hollywood it's like a huge big thing on the Manson case I mentioned it briefly in the episode but she actually goes a full episode on Bobby Bow Slay in episode six. So if you're interested in Bobby Bosley specifically, or Roman Polanski,

who I might touch next week in this slot, we might talk a little bit more about Roman Polanski because Roman Polanski actually gets involved with some other legal troubles in his life after this that are different than this. And so we can talk about those and just what kind of guy Robin Polansky is, which we might do on the minisode next week, I think. I will see which character emerges from the mist. But I'm still writing that episode because it's very complicated, but we'll see what we'll see what's going on um but uh that is the minisode for today scripted minisode as part of la month and uh be fun enjoy it and put your fucking uh la stories in the post on reddit and we love you and goodbye goodbye everybody

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