Chilluminati Podcast - Midweek Mini - Weird Asteroids

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Minisodes 165 and 166 (from January 2024) MERCH - http://www.theyetee.com/collections/chilluminati Special thanks to our sponsors this episode - All you lovely people at Patreon! HTTP://PATREON.COM/CHILLUMINATIPOD Jesse Cox - http://www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - http://www.youtube.com/user/superbeardbros Editor - DeanCutty http://www.twitter.com/deancutty Art Commissioned by - http://www.mollyheadycarroll.com

Music I'm always right. What is that? What is that? What is he holding? What are you squeezing? So this is an inside joke for Final Fantasy 14 players that was given out at FanFest, but it's just a stress thing. And you can see I've used it so much. It's I'm wearing it. I'm wearing off the print. Oh, is that the low texture? It's mostly from this podcast. I'm just like, I gotta keep it together. One more week. If you want to see Jesse's antics, head over to patreon.com slash to the money pod where you can upgrade to see us in real life to see his low resolution grapes or whatever those are my low res grapes the crystal eggplant thing yeah it's a crystal crystal

grapes and became such a meme they re put it back in the game as another joke I love that stuff so I need to get sorry yeah I just want to do one more little stupid video game thing. Fridging the butler now freezes the butler in Tomb Raider. Yay. Ayyy! He doesn't teleport out! No, he actually turns icy now, so that's fun. That's hilarious. Very cute.

Now, a mini horror game built into that frickin' game. I remember being so scared of that dude. Uh, let me take the reigns and get this out of the way way because a few things have happened in the UAP world that are worth obviously just talking about. Kirkpatrick for one wrote his op-ed and was published and then the DoD released a statement the same day and then another declassified budget briefing was released and then removed and then not put back up. I checked the next day. It still wasn't there. I need to check again today, but no idea. And it's interesting because the op ed

from Kirkpatrick is filled with lies straight up with some of them and complete removal of facts for others. He consistently said, for instance, that Grush kept talking about aliens from other planets. And one of Grush's biggest things coming forward was, I don't want to use your word extraterrestrials, because that's not what I think like what I've been informed that they are. So right out of the gate, he's just making shit up with Grush. But the other thing that he just neglects to talk about, and it's a big thing, having

said basically the piece basically said we don't know it's not extraterrestrial or whatever fine here's the issue one he openly said when a the aro was made he only has title 10 clearance what title 10 clearance means is he has access to armory army and naval records but nothing within the intelligence community and nothing over active war zones. So any of the stuff like the Mosul Orb and all that stuff, he was not privy to. He also actively said that means he cannot investigate the Nimitz encounter, and the only information he had on the Nimitz encounter is what the public had.

This is his own words. So he isn't even able to investigate some of the most prominent UAP reporting and sightings that are on there. And then goes on to claim that with this Title X clearance, he got to see everything and he made a decision. Moreover, ARO is still going. He's being replaced and it's still continuing under new leadership and it's gonna continue doing studies. And the statement that was released by the DOD the same day Kirkpatrick released his op-ed basically said, we don't have any cohesive way or funding to accurately and successfully study the UAP phenomena.

So Kirkpatrick comes out and says, I did all the studying. Here's what we found. Nothing. The DOD then goes, we actually don't have any way to comprehensively study the UAPs. And then a week later, we learned that the AA-S SWAP was real, something that Elizondo claimed in 2018 and the government and a bunch of people, including Kirkpatrick and Susan Gao said isn't real. And then it came out in the funding papers that were removed in like two hours. And now we don't know if they're out there right now at all. And they were on the military's website. It just it clarity real quick real quick for clarity. Mathis messaged us like y'all I think I'm going am I going insane? What does this mean? And sent a link and within moments of clicking that link it was for Ford

and I was like bro media defense.gov it was it is still for Ford by the way I clicked on it again right now still not there just sent it yeah it was media.defense.gov slash 2024 slash Jan slash 25 the day it was posted and we've confirmed there's no other link slash 20 I have not found any other document sites or anything that not not that's been made public but that was it was over the weekend as well right it's It's, it's always been a few days now. So there should be one up there if it's supposed to be public. Yeah. Yeah.

But basically the Kirkpatrick op-ed basically just boils down to the same thing Project Blue Book was, an A-tip was, these things that were denied to exist came out and then said no aliens, and then they close it down and make another secret program to continue studying UAPs. What's frustrating is it seems, it seems like it's inside each of these well-meaning enterprises that also exists the disinformation according to everybody, whoever has any accreditation. They say instead of trying to cover it up. They just Cover it in nonsense so that you can't recognize it, right? And I think that it's frustrating I don't know if they come out

I just think that Kirkpatrick was only given access to very restricted information and was basically like Heineck was told when he was hired Give us real reasons that these are not actually weird and unexplainable and will come forward and publish your Book is like what's the organization within these groups like in terms of like who is just genuinely trying to get answers and who is like manipulating because if that's what we're going to say I know if that if we're going to say that there's like forces at work behind the scenes which like even even like senators and congressmen are like saying, like, there are there are people actively trying to stop this from coming out right now. Right. Like that's the other thing that isn't brought up to which which you remind me of is the UAP amendment by Schumer that before it got voted on a week before three Republican House members gutted it so that and any of the military industrial complex had an out that basically said except they don't have to comply. And then it got passed. And it's like, well,

now it's just lit, like it doesn't do it doesn't matter. Yeah, actually enforce it. That's my question. That's all happening. Why is Kirkpatrick being like, there's nothing, by the way, that's my question is like, where what's the line? Like, who is like like of the agenda we need to not have this information out there which seems to be a different goal than the sort of earnest scientific goal of like cataloging and tracking these phenomena you know what I mean where is the line there if we're gonna if we're gonna buy into that narrative we're gonna buy into

that narrative where is the line even if aliens aren't the answer, even if it's just government secret projects that are over compartmentalized and over compartmentalized and over compartmentalized, that still needs to be found out. There can't be parts of the government that are operating outside of oversight. Just from, yeah, just without UFOs in the equation, that's not okay. Even if it was billions and millions and millions of dollars I've already been on paper from the house committees shown going to places that they can't get access to.

Yeah. It could be Joe Biden eating sandwiches that are really expensive every day for three meals a day. Follow the money. Costs $5,000. Exactly. You know what I mean? What is it, why?

There is no use that wouldn't be, that would be acceptable for unoversightable money, right? I mean, the answer is really simple and sucky, but it's true. The whole like, where's this money going? What's going on? We're spending money on things that don't make any sense. There's what it boils down to is the weird way. And I'm sure anyone in business has had to deal with this. And it's bizarre where it's like, okay, let's say I run the Chiluminati company and Alex and Mathis are part of my R&D division. And last year I gave them $40 million to come up with the new version of Chiluminati snacks.

Can I say something really quick? Can I say something really quick? I fucking wish that you gave me $40 million to make some snacks, motherfucker. I wish I had $40 million to give. I would take that brief. I would take that brief and I would soar with it, baby I want you to know that you're the best goddamn snacks you have ever seen for fucking 40 million dollars. Are you serious? We take so let's say I gave them 40 million dollars and the next year They like at the end of the year and we did all the taxes and rent through everything, it turns out they only spent 38 million. Right. Well, the next year I would only give them 38 million cause that's what they're spending. Right. And so it's that

weird thing where people are so afraid, especially in government to not use every ridiculous dime and be like, we need more guys that they keep the like, instead of, if you could get a, you know, a bunch of tissue paper for six bucks, they get the $12 version, right? We got to spend that money. And it's such a weird thing that it, you know, it ends up with the old, like, you know, $800 toilet or $500 hammer, like those things, money vanishes because we know the Pentagon failed its audit multiple times and we know all this stuff but whatever this aspect of like compartmentalization is there's just shit

around it that is also like fucking weird and red flaggy like but what I'm watching is they'll never let us follow the money because once you follow the money then you realize how absolutely dysfunctional the entire federal government is. My question is just genuinely like, if you're an expert and you're listening to the show, if you're like an educated person in this matter, like how often is classification and like top secret designation used to like circumvent oversight? Like if I

don't know, I don't know like how much I don't know how much info there is on this. Just because of the nature of it, right. But I'm very interested in like, how often that happens, a and and secondly, like, do we ever do we ever find out what kind of stuff is normally done in this way? Like, is it usually like, innocuous stuff that they're trying to sneak through? Or are we talking about like almost every time it's like some kind of black ops wet work scenario?

Well, if you're an expert and you're going to answer this, do me the favor of just like look into specifically like where what we're talking about in terms of where this money is going and see if it's any weirder or different than what you would expect from whatever exactly what I mean. What is the vibe with this time? How big of a concern is this? How common of a concern is this? Are there a million different things that could be the UFO budget that word that we're talking about here? Like, one of the things I don't know. One of the things is interesting is that based on this is just based on recent, you know, when everyone was going after Trump for keeping classified stuff in Mar-a-Lago and then Trump was like, well, Biden has classified stuff.

And Biden was like, you know what I do here at the bank. And then they were like, Oh, this other guy has classified stuff. Turns out when people are going through that and they were realizing that like the government has classified stuff everywhere, I was watching a special about it where they were talking about how classified stuff is now classified specifically because it may potentially one day. So a great example is they were like, we classified an email as top secret because in the email, someone mentioned an event that was connected to an actual top secret thing. And so we just flagged it.

But it's like a normal email that has, it's like, yo, what are you doing Friday? Like then it's so that actual top secret thing. And so we just flagged it. But it's like a normal email that has it's like, Yo, what are you doing Friday? Like, it's so that's top secret. And so they just do it to everything. Because it's easier than doing it. Yeah, it's I don't know if I like all that. It makes me see my ass rather than. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I want to know the mundanity of these classifications is basically what I'm saying. Because like, because I hear levels of them I'm thinking it takes me immediately to like,

fucking solid snake. You know what I mean? Like me too, even though you hear me say when I hear top secret, when I say confidential, I'm like somebody's dying to a silence bullet, right? Like, I don't know what's going on, but it's it's it's saucy. But I think that's not I think I'm misinterpreting that. It's saucy. But I think that's not I think I'm misinterpreting that in the in the realm of a slight vague not vague but slightly less like specific. The other thing is we've talked about in the show plenty of times and Jesse, you bring up the question fairly is like, what is the purpose of a country coming out first? Like, why does it matter which country comes out first and says what aliens are real. And the answer is so simple that I'm kind of mad

I didn't think about it because whoever is able to figure out the technology first wins. There's no more World Wars. There is no more fighting. If we can figure out the technology, if it is as fast and physics defying as it is, and we figure it out first, we win. We get the nuke again.

I don't know that's true. And I feel like the best example of that is we figure out your bomb is like we figure out first and we I don't know that we're winning per se. We're definitely the idea behind it, right? Like that was Oppenheimer's ideas like deterrence. Once you see the power of the nuke, no one will ever have war. Right. But it was a wrong idea. Same thing here. Yeah, I would say that the race to get future tech

is going to make it only worse. No, Jesse. We have schools that teach history of the rise of Nazism. It's happening again. So it's just because people know it happened doesn't mean people don't repeat the same mistake. Oh, no, no.

I'm just saying it's goofy. Society free from ills, generally. Have you considered a society free from ills? Oh, yes. Only we could remove suffering. And under my leadership, none shall suffer for I'll make sure they don't. You, Utopia? Can we do it under the water away from the eyes of man in law?

The man not entitled to the sweat of his brow. Please, Andrew Ryan, is it you? Let me tell you about this news story right here, right now. It's about, uh, it's in Waukesha, Wisconsin. I hope I, I hope I did that right. Uh, in 2014, there were two women who nearly stabbed their sixth grade classmate to death, uh, to please the slender man. And, uh, this happened. Oh, I watched the documentary about this. Yeah. Yeah. This was like now. Now, 10 years ago. Yeah. Weirdly, you just brought it right up and it was just so crazy. Morgan

Geyser was the like more active participant. The other one was like the egg you're on but Morgan was the one who did the stabbing. She asked the judge for a conditional release. She almost did this two years ago but then she withdrew it for some reason. They had a quick hearing, they're going to examine her mental condition by the end of February, and there's going to be hearing sometime in April to decide whether she can come out. in Winnebago and she did a video call into the into the courtroom. It was very uneventful. Just as a reminder, they were 12 years old, they lured her their classmate out to the park after a sleepover stabbed her 19 times. She barely survived. They left her for dead. She crawled onto a bike path and somebody found her there. Police found them both later that day when they were walking down the road. They told

her that they were stabbing her to earn the right to become Slender Man's servants and protect their families from the Slender Man. Morgan pled guilty to first degree intentional homicide and a deal. And she went to a psychiatric institute after determining that she was mentally ill. And wire the other girl pleaded guilty to second degree intentional homicide and was sent to a psychiatric facility. And she also was suffering from mental illness. She got conditional release in 2021. She lives with her dad with a GPS monitor. And I guess we're gonna find out

what happens with Morgan. Pretty insane. news story pretty insane like series of events to occur involving the Slenderman. The most the most like disgustingly black mirrory self reflexive like chicken or the egg quandary of a Slenderman story that you could possibly imagine totally insane. Yeah, it's a horrifying story. I remember when it happened just like it's like, oh, okay. Well, modern day myths can also cause equal amounts of destructive habits, especially

for the young. Mm hmm. Totally. It's one of those things where I was before we we started doing this mini-sode, I got caught up in the fact that I was watching a video of a man talking about his experiences in Vietnam. And he was just like, yeah, they hated me. And I get it because I like tore up their country and their culture and everything about

them. And it's just like him talking about the experience. And he's like, I listened to what McNamara and all the people in charge were talking about. And that wasn't the war I was fighting. And it's fascinating because I was like, a dude was talking in the comments, the dude was talking about his, his dad and how his dad was in the war. And his experience was totally different from this guy's experience because he was on the home front. He had all the propaganda hitting him. And I was just like in this weird head space where I realized all this happened before I was even born. Like, and so to me, that's a, like an idea, a concept, a thing that occurred, but to my dad, he lived it. And so he's an entire different experience with it. And so

the way you perceive things, the civil war or something versus nine 11. Yeah. it. And so the way you perceive the civil war or something versus nine 11. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And same thing with a kid born in the year 2000 is 24 now. And so their experience is vastly different from my experience because they're when they talk about the nineties, it's like a fantasy world to them. Like, Oh, everything was better in the nineties. I'm like, I don't know about all that, but it's interesting that these young girls, they got caught up in like a fake thing that isn't real, but it's in the ethos culturally of the internet. And it like, I don't, it's crazy to me. Had no lineage. They were like a few years, you know, had like a computer games a creepypasta or two

Yeah, like man. I don't know. It's weird crazy. It's like no more real than Slender Man ever was It's just like I don't know. Seriously, but is he more real now because someone's life was basically almost taken for it I don't know. Yeah Alex what do you got for us? That was me. That was Alex. No, wait, shit. Jesse. Jesse, what were you? What do you got? Well, Jesse took over and I got confused. My brain mushed them all up. It's all right. You can be confused because right now more the same than me and Mathis or Jesse and Mathis do.

So I get it. Jesse and I look more the same. I'll take it. And anybody else appreciate the excuse. Yeah. But only one of you has a fuck to death neon sign behind you hell You can't do that says that says to death cock. Yeah, it says cock that says Yeah, it says watch Jimi to death Rick to death. So here in LA, some interesting things are happening. And I would really like our listeners in the like 12 months before you get this mini-sode sent out to you, I would really like listeners to consider this. The Center for Inquiry Investig investigations group, the CF IIG, which is based in Los Angeles has issued a

$500,000 challenge to anyone who can demonstrate any paranormal supernatural or occult power under scientific test conditions. Love it. Like I said, based in LA, their whole vibe is to spread a plague of skepticism across the world. And it approaches its work from the perspective of science based skepticism. I don't like who phrased plague of skepticism. I know they did because they're trying to get people to. Yeah, fair enough. I think this is good though. I want to see.

Yeah, if you think you got fucking supernatural abilities, go show it. Prove it. According to the group's website, applicants will need to be able to perform their ability reliably on demand and can do so either online or by meeting up with one of the group's representatives in person. CF IIG will work with applicants to design a test protocol and define the conditions under which the test will take place, the website States in most cases, the applicant will be able to perform an informal demonstration of the claimability or phenomenon. If the demonstration is successful, it will be followed up by a formal test, which will be administered by CF IIG representatives.

And then they say even though they're offering $500,000 to anyone who can do it, if you recommend someone, they'll pay you $5,000 for the recommendation. That's awesome. If they're, if they're real. So they're out here, they're out here looking to pay. If you're looking to get, if you, if you can like, get yourself some money, dog, I'm just saying that's $500,000. The enter the dragon of up close magic competitions just went off and it's open season on $500,000 for the best magician who ever did live. Is that what you're saying? If they can. Yeah. If they can, if they have some sort of paranormal supernatural or cult

like powers. I remember, I know that they they've done this type of thing in the past and people have beaten these tests. So I'm interested to see what happens. I, I, I love the idea. You know, what's his name? Uh guy passed away recently. It's like the famous like skeptic magician. I know exactly what you're talking about. The guy who got Yuri Geller or whatever. His name Randy. Something like the amazing Randy. Yes. Yeah. He was the one who like similar vibe to this. You know what I mean? Like that same sort of people hated him for it. They did not like that. He called out people for being fake because they rather the beating scientific tests. You know what I mean? And he was like, Nope, got you. Yeah. And it was one of those things where they like the they

like the idea of paranormal and supernatural and stuff being real more than some guy just proving it. Yeah, right. Exactly. Pretty crazy stuff. Just like dreams. Anyway, thank you guys so much for listening and supporting us here. Just like dreams. Thank you. I love that. That's clean. Yeah, that's clean. Clean segue. We love you. We'll see you next week. And that's it. Goodbye. Bye Hello everybody, welcome back Minisode we're trying to do the ace ASMR thing. Okay. Oh, oh, all right. Well then you should do it like Okay. Oh, oh, all right. Well then Barry you should do it like

No, all right Alex let's less ASMR more ghosts Mathis, I don't know what you're doing a little pervy here's ASMR I got you guys Hello Hello, hello, hello, hello, welcome back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back. That's terrible. Welcome back. Anyway, can't wait for this to come out. 168, something like that. What do you bring to the table for me today, boys? What do we have? Do we want to talk about just the ad? Did you see the Martin Squarespace ad? There's really nothing to talk about.

It's an ad. You didn't watch it? No. It's only like a minute long. They're not going to sell me on websites? They can't get my... Squarespace.com! They can sponsor us.

They're welcome to. I'm not gonna watch an ad for fun. Nah, Scorsese, whatever. It's fine. Fine, alright. What'd you bring? What'd you bring? I have a reader story, listener story, that I think is more than interesting.

More than interesting more than interesting I'd say it's hot off the presses good shit do you wanna you want to hear it are you ready for it yeah yeah I mean I mean we have a choice no this is from agitated account eight five four six it's called Navy UFO UAP experience is this where we post the stories longtime listener and always thought I should share this story with you guys. This is a story of what I actually saw while I was in the Navy. I was in the Navy from 2009 to 2015. In 2012, we were somewhere in the Persian Gulf providing security to the

aircraft carrier in our strike group. This is something we did often. It made up about 80% of our deployments during the war on terror. I had just gotten off my watch and it was like 1am. I went to the back of our boat called the fan tail where we had our smoke deck. Bad habit I know but in the Navy, the only time you get a break is if you smoke. While I was out there, there were a few others out there with me as well. One guy was a CT and handled a lot of tech stuff and had like top

secret security clearances. He handled the encrypted messages the ship would get. Another was a gunner's mate. And then there was the saltiest senior chief you can imagine. Old guy like didn't take any bullshit and would tell you how it was. While we were out there, we saw two solid bright lights moving in the carrier's direction. Not unusual or anything. But the senior chief grunted and said something under his breath

about like, that's weird. We asked him what and he said, he just came from combat referring to the combat central where they watch all the radars and stuff. And they didn't have any flights in the area. Just then we heard his radio. It was the captain calling from the pilot house asking combat to ID the lights on the radar. They called back saying radar is clear. The captain clearly irritated, said to turn on high frequency radar because they

have eyes on two aircraft headed directly towards the carrier. We had since moved closer towards the aircraft carrier, and we could hear their intercom on the carrier calling to ready the alert five aircraft. If you've watched Top Gun, you know these are pilots that get in their jets and should be ready to launch at moments notice. Still watching these lights coming closer but not like changing direction or anything, and they didn't seem to be changing elevation.

The Senior Chief's radio came on again. The Captain, furious at this point, is screaming at combat, give me a fucking ID on those aircraft again. They respond nothing is on radar. It was this moment we hear an alarm from the carrier and they launch the alert five jets to f 18 launch and a third launches shortly after them. They go fully vertical at full after burner it was so loud and had their huge orange and blue cones behind them. They start climbing quickly and at this point, the two lights suddenly just stopped like not slow to a stop like

full immediate stop all of a sudden these two lights start shooting back the same direction they came but like three times faster than they come the ct guy was watching like what the fuck saying there's no possible way something could turn and move like that our three jets still at full afterburn are leveled out now chasing these lights that are moving way faster than our F-18s. We stood out there shocked watching this as they're way in the distance now way ahead of our jets. When the ship calls on the intercom to set River City 4,

which is like code for shutting down internet and phones and basically shutting down all ways the crew can communicate with the outside world. I went to bed or attempted to at least and never heard anything about it the next day. The internet was back on and everything like it had never happened. I almost thought I dreamed it but the guys that were out there all affirmed that it in fact happened. I had always had an idea that aliens

were real. It's funny hearing all these stories about pilots real encounters now and the government basically saying yeah, this is all real. We have no clue what it is but seeing something like that night watching the most capable military aircraft totally get smoked in a speed test and something completely evading all radar, it completely eliminated any ounce of doubt in my mind at that point.

I'd love to hear your take on what I saw. Totally feel free to use it on the podcast. I don't believe in all the deep alien stuff about reptilians and graves and stuff, but there's definitely something bigger out there that we are seeing. I just really like hearing you guys break things down. And I love how passionate you guys get about this stuff except

for Alex, but I'm a huge history buff too. So I love historical perspectives on things too. Roasted if you need more details or whatever to verify the story, I can provide some. I specifically left out the name of the ship I was on and the carrier. What do you think about that? I mean, you know what?

I love the story. First of all, fucking interesting, right? It lines up with a lot of the public whistleblower stories of like graves or graves all more than that. But it's again, it's the same thing. It's making maneuvers at speeds that shouldn't be able to happen unless they would liquefy the person if there's a person in there turns at angles that make no sense stopping on a dime and being able to just outrun your goddamn best airplanes is what I don't know what to say like I have no answer it's fucking weird. It's a very realistic story, a very like standard story.

And I love the sort of over it-ness that military guys that I talk to these days have about this type of stuff. Now they're like, oh, I guess people are finally catching up to this stuff. I mean, yeah, because they're used to not knowing the answers and knowing that it exists, which is interesting. What's really cool is the podcast has been around long enough now where like we were around when a public official UAP report like through lines for pilots and stuff became like actual because before it was nothing more than like I might write a note in a notebook, but there was no way to report it. And you were laughed at if you did. So you just didn't. And that new official reporting of UAP sightings is new. So like we're kind of getting, you know, more and more stories of these

pilots who see things. There was a thing that leaked, not leaked. It came out yesterday. It was Canadian airlines and a bunch of Canadian, you can, it's only the audio, but it's Canadian pilots talking back and forth because they're watching these lights in the sky that are moving in ways that it shouldn't and they can't explain it and they you know it's happening all over the place it's been happening for a long time we just only now are having the ability to have more of a public discussion around it without it being seen as laughable for everybody. It's wild to imagine like showing you an article from today at the beginning of the show.

Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it's very but like I definitely like it's not the first story I've heard like that. We've had a couple emails like that. They didn't give any permission to like talk about on the show. So make sure if you ever want us to read something on the show. Really? I need I need permission. The only time I've ever broken the rule was for Kels because I was able to just directly ask her. Right. Yeah, exactly. And then you didn't break the rules.

So still fine. So yeah, exactly. But it's fascinating because there is no explanation, right? Like, that's the thing. And that's what's so difficult to talk about. It, to talk about it. It's, it's, I don't know. I don't know what it could be. The radars pick it up. They have, they have eyes on it. They try and follow it. And there's just no way. It's literally something is there physically. Something is clearly there.

Um, yeah, it's weird, man. It's very, very weird. I'm trying to find the G force of just stopping. I'm fascinated because like the g-force of traveling very quickly is one thing but it's the same thing when you when you decelerate very quickly there's another opposite I'm trying to figure out like because you were saying liquifying if you you know g-forces can you mash let me see have you ever seen anyone is an f-15 f-18 like if you've ever seen anyone get hit with G forces and there's videos of it? They instantly become old people. It's like the gravity

Pushes their skin in the craziest ways. It's like one of the big things that's stopping us from space travel Yeah, and so if there's like an instant stop that you know how when you land there's a whole experience there if you're in a plane so an instant stop you wouldn't just forward your the air would like leave your lung I don't know cheese you turn to like shredding I see nothing I there's I guess because we don't do it but I see nothing I'm gonna get you the g-forces here in a second I mean the notion is that these alien craft use gravity, right? Like they manipulate gravity. So you might not have to experience g-forces. Yeah. Theoretically. Whatever they're doing, gravity isn't affecting them in the way it affects the physics. That's the hypothesis, right? Yeah. But they could be created like

if we are going nuts and bolts, they're using technology. It's not like another dimension thing. Then yeah, they have to have come up with a way to maybe create a mini well of gravity in front of them or any direction that they're going. So they're traveling via gravity pulling them, which is why we don't see like any physical form of like an afterburner or any form of propulsion. So, yeah, it's interesting. I don't know. OK, so from going from from an F-18 Hornet at full speed to stopping that happens at about,

over the course of a single second is approximately 62.9 Gs. There's no, all right, 10 Gs messes you up. Nine Gs? That's what I'm saying. Liquefied. There's no way. And that's just the F-18 Hornet going at its max speed Which is these things are going even faster didn't even kiss which didn't even kiss the the things in this story And yeah f-18 Hornets, they have max speed is Mach 1.8. That's as fast

Also just for the record like the way planes are designed. They're not designed to stop like no they they aren't designed to hover Though the lift under the wings and whatnot The whole idea is you're moving forward, right? Like there is no like it's the reverse on the plane like that's not how that shit works And so I don't I genuinely don't know These are things that you're fascinating when they're like it just stopped That makes you think maybe optical illusion, but also maybe that moves and then it moves and it goes and it changes direction. Yeah, I don't know. I have no answers.

It's fascinating. And that's what's weird about it is like it would make more sense. Again, looking at it as a nuts and bolts, it would make more sense if it's like an unmanned drone. If we're if we're taking extraterrestrial and it's like technology. Yeah, there's nothing to be a man unique about this story that makes it any more or less believable than any story that we have like actual footage of that's been confirmed by Congress. Yeah, like this sounds like one of the real stories that we've heard of. Nothing's it's not like and then a tentacle shot out and like sucked out some dude's brain and took him away. You know what I mean? Like there's nothing like that. that seems to be watching them or engage in like is clearly like responding to them trying to catch up by moving further away at a faster and faster speed. They're picking it up on radar. So it's like if it's being picked up on radar, it can't be just an optical illusion. Right. Like if it is being physically picked up at base, then it is something in the air. It is picking something up.

They didn't pick it up on the radar on the ship. I thought he said he did pick it up. Oh, did I miss? No, they didn't pick it up. No, that was why the captain was like, what's going on? Okay, so that's interesting then. Yeah. So I guess it was but if it's yet I still want clarity. Like is it was it moving erratically? Like how was it moving?

No, they said it was approaching the ship. They were like, this is typical. So it's coming and then they thought they should be seeing it and they just weren't seeing it. It's just crazy. It's just a crazy thing. That's what happens to commercial airliners too. When you hear their audio, they go back and they radio back

and they're like, yeah, we don't have anything on radar. We see these flashing lights. They're in front of us, maybe approximately X miles. But it might be active. Because that was the thing with the Mosul orb and the other footage that we have. The one part that we really never talked about on the show rather, but to talk about everywhere else is they couldn't actively lock on to it, which is why it was always like a panning

like following because they couldn't actively lock on to any of these things. And so it would make sense if they're not appearing on the radar, then I would, you know, it would probably be like an a jamming of some sort. Yeah, it's weird. It's fucking weird. Or just better tech. Like, there's things that don't appear on radar now that we have. Well, as I'm saying, yeah, but like, it's that coupled with moving in a way physics doesn't explain as we know it. Yeah. Well, physics could explain it. We just don't know what it is. Yeah, we can't make our things go that fast. Yeah, physics gets better. Yeah, physics explain it.

We don't have the capabilities because we're still using basically explosions to propel us forward. Right. If you think about it, that's what we're doing. Like, that's how we move forward with all of our machines. It's explosions that throw our machines in an engine. Yeah. Yeah. Like that, we just shoot the gas out of like a certain direction. of our machines, explosions that throw our machines engine. Yeah, yeah. We just shoot the gas out of like a certain direction.

And that's that was like the big winner, the big winner. And set it on fire. That's how we move. Then we've reached peak. We won't ever change. Yeah. Why bother? I thought I love the story. So thank you for the story.

It just makes me go and more and more like Alex. We like that part. Yep. I appreciate that. It was just like I guess, you know, except for Alex and have a great day. Jesse, what do you have for us? Well, gentlemen, in case you weren't aware or you're out of the loop, NASA sent a probe to the asteroid Bennu and it scooped up a whole bunch of that space rock and it finally brought it back. And the reason why this is super awesome and super important, the reason why they would do that is because the thought was the asteroid would contain leftovers from the formation

of the solar system about 4.5 billion years ago. And so they got samples of the space rock. And like most things NASA does, I think we've discovered on this podcast, they kind of like dole it out to different universities and different scientists, and everyone gets a little bit to mess with. And so one of these bits of samples went to the University of Arizona, which received according to them, 200 milligrams of space dust for analysis. And the cool thing

that everyone started discovering about these Bennu samples is that it contains plenty of water locked minerals like things that suck up water like clay, and things that are rich in carbon, nitrogen, sulfur, and phosphorus. And I guess there's going to be the lunar and planetary science conference held in Woodlands, Texas next month. That will be about sort of discoveries on this. And they're already saying one of the early findings is that the asteroid's material under inspection looks distinct and different from anything else they've ever seen in their meteorite collection. The biggest thing they found is that the asteroid contains high concentrations of phosphate, which

has never been seen in meteorites before. However, these high concentrations have been detected in extraterrestrial ocean worlds. For instance, one of Saturn's moons, Enceladus, I hope that's how you pronounce that, contains these high phosphates, a key building block for life and at levels which are higher than Earth's oceans. And then one of the quotes was, asteroid Bennu may be a fragment from an ancient world. This is still, still highly speculative, but it is the best lead that we have right now to explain the origin of the

material. And that's kind of where they're at. They're going to do a whole conference on it. And I think it's super interesting that they, one, we can land on asteroids now and scoop up bits and two that we're learning like, wow, this thing that hasn't been touched since whatever the hell happened to it has a historical record of like an ancient alien world? Very cool stuff. I mean, the other thing is we talked about last week is they also you know,

NASA also talked about recently the whole super Earth that they discovered with the Hubble, not the Hubble telescope, the James Webb telescope, which is, well, this, this thing is interesting because it isn't out there stuff. This is an ancient world with water from our own solar system, which could be one of those like again, past Mars is an asteroid field and no one's quite sure what the hell caused that potentially a planet was there. And now it's no longer there. And so maybe there was at one time in the 4.5 billion years that our solar system existed,

another planet that existed that existed there and was destroyed by some means. And we have some sort of record of its existence from that asteroid that's flying around. It's interesting stuff. We just don't know. Our solar system has been around a while and we are like a even dinosaurs are a little baby fraction of that. It's like an ice core of the whole mystery. Everything. Yeah, it's kind of cool. Mm hmm. Yeah, that's. I'm kind of going on that. I actually there's an update with Avi Loeb, which is what I want to talk about today. If you don't remember who Avi Loeb is, he was the one that got the funding to go

out into the ocean and track the media. And he got a bunch of stuff. And then much like Jesse, you were talking about with that. He took all those things and sent it to multiple universities to make sure it was like studied under appropriate, you know, scientific method. And we he has come back with some evidence that we're gonna talk about this was published two two days ago. And I'm reading this on good old w gbh.org. Shout out to that. I used to watch that channel a lot as a kid. Harvard astronomy professor Avi Lo believes he has new evidence of the

the extraterrestrial nature of this Asteroid, I don't know why they put alien spacecraft He never says that weird last June he recovered a small magnetic Spherules from the Pacific Ocean and claims that the small round objects were from from a watermelon sized object that collided with Earth in 2014 And that number he worked with the government where they had kind of narrowed down where they believe it had hit and that's when he went out there for two or three weeks. He goes, quote, it raises the possibility that it may have been a Voyager like meteor, maybe artificially made by an ancient civilization. He first put out a preprint with his findings last summer and since then several researchers unrelated to the expedition have, of course,

pushed back on his analysis. One 2023 paper deemed the spherules were made by human-produced coal ash. And so he's been working to see if that's true. And he goes on to say, Loeb put out this week that he debunked the theory. Quote, what we did is compare 55 elements from the periodic table in coal ash

to those special spherules that we found. And it's very clearly different things. It's not based on opinions. And of course, if you're not part of the scientific process or misunderstand the process itself, that you can obviously raise a lot of criticism. But he goes, by now my skin has turned into titanium. Loeb rose to prominence when he controversially claimed

that the Oumuamua, a hundred meters long cigar shaped interstellar object that passed through our solar system in 2017 may have been created by an intelligent civilization. And in 2021, to remind you, he published a paper disputing the theory that the gases that were kind of shot out from the Oumuamua were the reason it left its each its orbit

in a weird way that was unpredictable. He showed that the heat temperature and the chemicals that are the what do you call the solid get chemicals I guess that are on the asteroid wouldn't have melt gas itself in a way that it would have been able to propel itself out of orbit from where it was. You can go read it and read a scientist's words instead of mine because you know that's how I don't understand it fully. And he simply said that the best approach to figure it out is actually do the scientific work of building observatories that look out and check what these objects are. And if they happen to be birds or airplanes or Chinese balloons so be it. We can move on after that but we need to figure it out. It's our civil duty as

scientists. The universe is so vast that, but we need to figure it out. It's our civil duty as scientists. The universe is so vast that rather than keep telling ourselves that there is nothing like us, we should search for it. And remember, he's the one that believes this meteor is the first interstellar, truly interstellar object to collide with Earth, that this this meteor, whether it's alien or not, is still from outside of our solar system because it's made of things that are just not possible within what we know of our own solar system right now.

I wish. Yeah, and he goes on, so he basically just proved it and he's continuing to move forward that, yeah, this is looking, continuing to prove that this is beyond our solar system. It is alien in nature. I love, I love that that's where it's headed, but I'm also like so curious like I

Know this is going out just to patrons, right? Which is not the largest sample size of people but I imagine if you're a big listener of the show and maybe you're in academia Maybe you're a contemporary of this man. Maybe you've met this man Maybe you know who this guy is or maybe you've in your own work had to read some of this man's work for some reason, or interact with him in some way. I would just love to know what the vibe is here. Do you know what I mean? Because listening to the way that he's being reported on, he sounds heroic to me. He sounds interesting. He sounds like somebody that I want to root for, right? And that's good. But I want to know what the vibe is on him, like from other people with his job. I just want to know if you

are out there and you listen to this show, and you know the answer to that question. Let me hear it. I want to know your credentials. I want to know what the vibe is. I just want to know. I want to know what the guy the guy is because I think he's the most interesting guy. He just like, does exactly what he's supposed to do. He doesn't care what anybody says. And he only hits you back with like, numbers, he's supposed to do. He doesn't care what anybody says. And he only hits you back with like numbers and facts and figures.

And then he just goes back to his like weird ass thing that he's doing. I love that. What's weird, it's like you have to do the groundwork in order to either prove or disprove it. That is the scientific method. And if there is a question as to whether this meteor came from outside of our solar system,

isn't it like, isn't that what your scientists should be doing is going to try and find it and figure out if it is or isn't by looking at what it's made up of and the chemicals that are like inside of it. Like, why is he being laughed at for doing this? I don't understand. So it's very weird to me too. Yeah. Oh, because aliens are like a kooky and saying Because his statements I mean, yeah He's when the rest of the scientific community was like this big weird-looking asteroids coming at us He was like that's a probe, dude And I feel like that's one of those things where people balk at a bold thing to say because it's a bold thing to say

Yeah If you're gonna make a proclamation like that then it's your duty to do the work just to either prove yourself right or wrong sure what he's trying to do but it's also imaginations but scientists are also about the observable and what you can prove which is like quantum not being able to directly prove it that's why you're not gonna find a lot of scientists who are like yes I do believe in fortune-telling like there's no direct way to prove it unless you do studies I know strangely enough nobody's gonna tell us like yeah, no yeah

Yeah, nobody's gonna fund that study in the first of those you'll find it, but also no one's gonna be in it I don't you know take that money You're gonna fund to fortune-telling and put it toward quantum science studies So I want that field of study to just keep being pushed, man. I that's where my interest is. Give it to those dudes. Every few months, there's like another guy who's like, we almost figured out how to stop cancer.

Give it to those guys. I feel like they probably are almost there. Please. Yeah, that's a great cause. I want to be either. I want to be either cancer-free or Dr. Manhattan within the next five years, please. The cancer-free or the one who causes the next five years, please The answer for you causes cancer No, he doesn't cause cancer. He was accused of causing cancer. He was a

Calculated PR campaign to make him it was a set earth in time. Am I part of that PR campaign? She's cool Maybe I'm getting paid to say the things that I'm being said that I'm saying right now. That's true That's what I'm thinking about worth talking about. It's and I'm certainly getting paid is what you think of a lot of things Well, I deep was so deep And I'm getting paid to end this episode. Thank you guys so much for supporting us here at patreon.com Let's do money pod will be back next week with another one. We love you. Bye bye. Bye.