Circling Back - Elizabeth Holmes Only Wears Black Turtlenecks

Episode Date: March 20, 2019

We break down HBO's 'The Inventor' about Elizabeth Holmes, her fake-deep voice, and the fact that she only wears black turtlenecks. We also discuss the new 'Stranger Things' Season 3 trailer, Dave's awkward gym run-in, and This Weekend In Fun presented by Icenhauer's in Austin, Texas. Support us on Patreon and receive episodes every Friday for just $5 per month: www.patreon.com/circlingbackpodcast Rhoback: www.rhoback.com (CIRCLE20 for 20% off) Fulton & Roark: www.fultonandroark.com (STEAM for 15% off) Indochino: www.indochino.com (STEAM for any premium suit for $359 and free shipping) Twitter: www.twitter.com/circlingbackpod Instagram: www.instagram.com/circlingbackpod Visit: www.circlingbackpodcast.com --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/circling-back/message Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, we're back circling back podcast. My name is Will DeFreeze to my right, Dave Ruff. Circling Back Podcast. My name is Will DeFreeze. To my right, Dave Ruff. If I am operating at anything less than 100% today, it is not because I am under the weather. It is because spring is here and the oak is popping.

And my allergies is tripping. So, apologies. They say that allergy season is what separates the men from the boys. I am a boy then. I am a boy as well. I'm a little boy crying in the bathtub i don't know why i got so specific kind of a wimp for like bitching about allergies when i first moved down here and then it was like oh now i get it this is like ground zero for allergies man yeah i can never tell if you have allergies dylan or if you're hungover i'm not hungover i had not

one drop of alcohol yesterday that's what what a hungover person would say. I'm still on the mend from my sickness. But, you know, not to stunt too hard on you, Dave, but I actually feel pretty fantastic right now. You look like shit. Despite how I sound. I know I sound... I am a little congested still,

but I'll deal with that. That's okay. The two days after following being sick, when you finally feel like it's the bounce back. It feels just incredible. You're Superman. Yeah. When you're feeling shitty like that, you forget what it's like to feel good.

It's like you just take it for granted, you know? Yeah. Feels so good feeling good again. And I'm back, and I'm like, man, this is living. So I'm happy. I'm feeling good. I'm ready to get this pod. You're getting royalty checks because the movie you did in the 90s, The Pest, is making a comeback.

A lot of people are watching it. Yeah. Thank you for that. There's a lot of chatter out there about Dylan looking like John Leguizamo. There's not a lot of chatter. There's a lot of chatter. I think it's just you two and one random guy on Twitter. There's a lot of chatter.

Also, our boy AJ. Yeah. Whatever. Which, that could not have worked out better. We had a weird coincidence in the group chat last night. It was very confusing. Group chat was somewhat lit last night for a little bit. I was happy because I wasn't ready to go to bed.

Yeah. And these are our friends on the West Coast. So they were, you know, they're up and at them. And we're, you know, it was like 11 o'clock. I've been having trouble sleeping, not because I have anything, like, weird. It's because I'm watching too much TV. I just have so many shows in my rotation right now. You've got content fever.

I was trying to watch that Elizabeth Holmes doc last night, and my text just kept popping off. I didn't know that it was a two-hour-long documentary. Sheesh, too long for me. So I started at 10 o'clock. Two hours for me. It's really standard. That's not standard for a documentary.

No, it's not. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't know. But I got it. I finished it. I finished it. How long was free solo?

Man, you are so courageous. You know why I finished it, Dave? Because I'm married to the game. Wow, dude. Yeah. You really finished a two-hour documentary. That's big. I know.

Congratulations, man. I had like one eye open at the end of it. You want that promotion. You going to promote me, Dave? Oh, God. This just came apart. You really free soloed that movie last night. That's so big of you.

I know. I can't believe I got through that. I hope soloed that movie. I don't want to know what that means. It just means I was On top of my game Okay Cool cool cool Cool cool cool cool Pretty exciting times here today

We've got a big episode today We have a lot going on Not gonna lie There's a lot going on in the world right now And we're not gonna talk about anything important But just the Other crap What else is going on?

I don't know My childhood friend Mike Trout Is a billionaire now Other crap. What else is going on? I don't know. My childhood friend Mike Trout is a billionaire now. That's it. It makes me nervous when I see deals that go for like 12 years, 10 years. He's going to be 39 when it's over. Yeah. It's pretty good. he'll be a DH though

that's fine why didn't Bryce Harper not to turn this into oh I don't know backdoor cover shout out to Micah and Brad why didn't Bryce Harper

sign in the American League I don't know he could have DA I mean that's like the ultimate thing last twilight of your career, just D.H. I just get the feeling that Bryce Harper will leave when his option is there. Didn't you say that Bryce Harper is better than Mike Trout?

Were you saying that a lot? I never said that. Never said that. No one's saying that. Everyone knows that Mike Trout was a staple on my fantasy baseball keeper league. So, like, it kind of... He's my boy. Like, we're besties.

You were ground floor. Yeah. Not to brag. I'm the best manager of all time. But no one's talking about that. If you haven't already, go follow Circling Back Pod on Twitter and Instagram. We got to get that Instagram popping. We're doing content.

We're doing numbers. But I want to do more numbers. Like, that's just how it is. I think with what's in the mail right now, doing numbers, but I want to do more numbers. That's just how it is. I think with what's in the mail right now, we're going to be doing a lot more numbers. Yeah. That's a little tease.

What's in the mail? Remember the Amazon thing yesterday? We made a large purchase yesterday. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I thought in the mail was a metaphor for something, but you actually mean it's in the mail. I ordered a bunch of beanbags.

Right. We're transitioning the studio. When's the lava lamp supposed to get here? I got the lava lamp last week. Perfect. Hell yeah. I do want to give a shout out to all the backers out there who decided to leave a review.

We requested some recently, and people came to play. If you haven't already left a review, go do it. I want a review. We requested some recently and people came to play. If you haven't already left a review, go do it. I want a lot. We already have a lot. A shocking amount, actually. But, I want more. And finally, Friday's episode will be on Patreon. Pretty fired up for that one.

It's going to be tough to follow last week's. Last week's was very good. And don't forget, if you sign up on Patreon... Don't poo-poo it. Yeah, unless you ask me. I thought it was just an okay one. Hey, don't you shut up. I thought it was our best one yet, and I don't understand how you can think that.

It's because you were pre-sick. I didn't think it was our best. I thought it was our second best, honestly. Okay. There was another one that I previously claimed was the best. Because I was pre-sick? Is that what you said? Yeah, we're pre-sick.

That's fair. Yeah, I thought the pace was just a little slow. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Dude, I'm usually pretty... We weren't at you said? Yeah, we're pre-sick. That's fair. Yeah, I thought the pace was just a little slow. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Dude, I'm usually pretty... We weren't at that pace for you, dog. It wasn't slow. Because I screen the calls.

I'll pull the curtain back. And I worry if it starts to drag. I'm like, well, that's on me. I pick bad calls. I never had that thought last week. And I've had that thought before. I didn't think any of them were bad, but there's been some lulls. Anyway, I love Decoff.

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What's on deck? Well, something just dropped. This is timely. Stranger Things trailer. This is the third season, huh? Did not even know they were doing a third season. You didn't? Nah.

How do you not know that? I don't know. When Halloween passed this year, weren't you just like, where's my season? Wait, wait, wait. Are you out on Stranger Things? Because it seems like something you might be out on. I'm in, but I'm not all the way in. I'm not a fanboy.

I was a fanboy after season one. Will and I famously did Touching Things, a one-off podcast that just recapped it. I'm not trying to stunt, but it was one of the most listened to episodes on Grand X Labs ever. Just say it. Sounds like you're trying to stunt, but it was one of the most listened to episodes on Grand X Labs ever. Just say it. Sounds like you're trying to stunt. Just say it. Season two, I was still in. I remember when the trailer dropped, I was really, really in.

I'm not ashamed to admit, hair stood up on me. I was like, wow, I can't wait. I didn't hate it. There is a storyline in it that i was like this doesn't need to be here and i would like this to go away they went to shy town is that where it was yeah yeah there were yeah that is what i'm talking about it was awful that episode was one of the worst episodes i've ever seen i needed more i needed more if you're gonna do that introduce this i need i needed to tie together better which it didn't it felt it felt forced but that's this isn't touching things the trailer for season

three did not have any glimpse of anybody from that no are they gonna just pretend that didn't happen i think they are okay i'm fine with that um in terms of like my favorite tv shows stranger things isn't in the conversation when i think about it like it's never i'm never like if i like, if I'm listing it out, I'm never like, oh, Stranger Things 2. It's a good show and I enjoy watching it, but once the season has run its course, I don't think about it anymore. It's like, oh, I'll catch it when it comes back. I agree. It's one of those. I watched season one twice, which I never do that.

You're a fanboy. That's pretty good. Oh, yeah. I've considered doing season one rewatch of that. I don't know. I think it's a great show. I really enjoy the fact that they do such a good job nailing everything from that time.

I was very, very bummed when they didn't release a new season around Halloween this year. Because that's what they've been doing. I just wanted it. Yeah. I like the fall. Season two gave us some gold we got billy we got billy billy with the hair billy's a tight guess what billy's back do we ever come to a conclusion regarding like billy's like sexuality yeah i don't remember

it appears from the look of this trailer we watched watched it once, like 20 minutes ago, all together. He might be... Is he maybe hooking up with a dude's mom or something? I don't know. I don't know. There's some weird... I'm going to have to go back and watch it again. Hard to say. They definitely took him and were like, okay, we need a Tim Riggins-esque character, but

just make him 80s and it can't be just a blatant rip- so let's like make you have him have some like other dynamic he's going shirt off he's popping top and he has to he's a lifeguard yeah i don't like seeing if you haven't watched the trailer already just go do it just pause this podcast i don't tell you that very often just go pause it just go watch it but i don't like seeing steve clearly working for like a burger joint it looked like a mall it looked like a food court job that's not steve is he's he shouldn't be doing that i think they might have knocked him down a peg i'm excited yeah they are all some of them look older than the others like 11 doesn't look that much older but but the main dude, the main kid. Don't tell Drake that.

Okay. He looks significantly older. He looks like the kid from Can't Hardly Wait, the kid who does Paradise City. Yes. Karaoke. That's a very good throwback. Yeah. I'm really surprised I put that together.

Yeah. We're getting to the point where these kids are going to be too old. They're borderline there. This season is borderline. It appears as though they're going to be borderline. And then the next season, if they do a season four, it's going to

be a lot. They're going to have to do something. It's kind of like, I don't know. Man, I'm just bummed that Billy works In like a burger place now Yeah Give him a chance Maybe he's just Picking it up to

You know his parents Made him do it To learn some responsibility Like in D2 When Averman was working For like the The movie place And he was just

Tearing tickets Like that makes sense Averman's He's He's garbage Yeah he's trash So like he should be Working that

But like I feel like Billy just has some moxie You think So it would be like Adam Banks Working like the movie job Yeah like he doesn't Need So, like, he should be working that. But, like, I feel like Billy just has some moxie. You think so? It'd be like Adam Banks working, like, the movie job? Yeah, like, he doesn't need to be doing that. Like, bro. No, Adam Banks is too rich for that. This would be like...

Did Steve not put off rich vibes? I don't know. He kind of put out troubled home vibes. Maybe just middle class gangster, like... Yeah. Doing pretty well. But, like, not a trust fund, but, like, he's spoiled. Yeah.

I don't know. It's hard to say. No sign of Barb. Middle class gangster. That probably wasn't the word. Again, oak is very high. I'm very congested. No, there's no sign of Barb in this. Dude, Barb is not coming back.

She's in a body bag. The whole Barb narrative really just sucked. Was she the hero that we needed? Barb got too much play. People should be happy when you kill off shitty characters. And that's what they did with Barb. And instead everyone tried to turn her into this internet sensation. I heard they're bringing her back, but Lena Dunham is playing her.

And that means you'll be in, Will. Oh, I'm in, yeah. No, I can't. She's canceled yeah she has been canceled when is it dropping did it say summer that's what they've been saying i don't know if they gave an exact date on that as with every stranger things trailer the trailer's sick the music is fantastic teenage wasteland they do the best but they cut it they cut it up they cut it up they give you just some vocals at times.

It's just, it's perfect. The Cinematog, it's just next level. That's been your thing, man. Dylan's actually starting a Cinematog podcast. Yeah, it's just called Cinematog. Yeah. Oh, great. I'm really happy that they're premiering this on July 4th.

Everyone's watching TV on July 4th. I'll be watching the hot dog contest. I'll probably watch this on July 4th. Everyone's watching TV on July 4th. I'll be watching the hot dog contest. I'll probably watch it on July 5th. I don't like that Netflix is trying to upstage our country. Wow. You should tweet that. This is our freedom here,

and you're going to think that you're bigger than our freedom? Well, let's take this argument. What about it's giving you the freedom to watch this, just giving you more options, which is the freest thing you can do. What it's doing is giving me the freedom to watch it hungover on July 5th. Do we get July 4th off?

No. Have we decided on an official calendar for watched media? No days off. No days off? Nope. Dylan gets bid day off. Except for every single Friday. Yeah.

Dylan did put in vacation for Roundup. Can we stop? Do people even know what Roundup is besides the locals? No, it's a hyper-niche Texas reference. Roundup is a... You explain it. Roundup is a... Why do I have to explain it?

I just want to hear you say it. At the University of Texas, Roundup is a weekend-long event. It's like a rush event, but it's Greek system-wide. They all do it. Basically just host a bunch of parties and invite like, I think, seniors in high school

to their parties. Our friends who lived in this area, like Austin High Kids, they all went as seniors. Here's a true story. I attended Roundup in the 90s. In 1999, I went to a Roundup party. You were like 21? house i was uh i was 16 at the time that's too young to be it's too young college kids i i was i should not have been there for a number of reasons yeah 1990 you've done three you've done three decades of roundup stop i don't i don't

think i ever went back actually after that after that. You had your fill? Yeah. Did you go to a phone party? I went to one, and I never went back. Actually, I think that's what I went to in 99, was a phone party at the old K.A. house. Unless things get really weird, there's a great chance I never attend a phone party again.

They're the worst things ever. They are truly trash. I guess you're not going to come to the after party at my wedding. The bodily fluids in those foam pits, it's just, you don't want to get mixed up in that. I would go to a foam party if it was all Fulton and Rourke foam. Oh, well, yeah. Hashtag added value. Actually, we might just do that.

Damn. Feel free to. Just throw our own. Fulton and Rourke foam party. There was a dude at the park yesterday and he just had this giant bubble thing and he was just like putting bubbles everywhere and these little kids were all just like going crazy for it and yeah it was kind of cool from a distance but then i was just like why is this random dude just like raining bubbles on these kids like what's going on here it didn't

make me uncomfortable, but it was just like, he decided to leave his house, and he probably does this more often than I've seen, he just decided to leave his house and just go do this. Would you be more creeped out by Bubble Guy, or guy who goes to the park and does magic tricks? I'm going to say magic tricks.

No, Bubble Guy. Bubble Guy? He's creepier than Dabbles say magic tricks. No. Bubble guy. Bubble guy? It's creepier than dabbles and magic guy. Yeah. It's all sorcery. I'm not fucking with either one of them. Nah. I had a magic kit growing up.

I wanted to learn magic tricks. I had the fake thumb. Sally's niece has got one. It was a Penn and Teller one recently, and I started doing them. And like, it's kind of fun. And that stuff, stuff i don't get i don't get how all that works why don't you just say what you want to say magic is for dorks magic is for dorks we had so we had this dude and we lived across the hall from him in the dorms and he was really good at magic and we would come home at night and just be hammered and like not i felt bad at the end of it because we would just knock on his door and be

like dude do some tricks for us and he would just go out in the hall and just be hammered. I felt bad at the end of it because we would just knock on his door and be like, dude, do some tricks for us. And he would just go out in the hall and just blow our minds. And he was kind of a nerd. He didn't go out. He made his money by selling people's books back and shit. But he could get some magic tricks off.

You know how you can picture the kind of guy who's into Dance Dance Revolution? This guy. I can picture the guy who's into magic. They're pretty similar. No, that is exactly what this guy is.

Long hair, plain black t-shirt, like into magic. They're pretty similar. No, that is exactly what this guy is. Long hair, like plain black t-shirt. Yeah. Like Lee jeans. Yep. Lee pipes. Just Lee. Oh.

This guy could throw a card like further than you can throw a football. That's tight. That's a great one to have. Like Gambit. It was insane. People forget about Gambit. Gambit was a bad boy. Nobody talked about him. He was the best X-Men.

I'm not willing to go that far, but he was underrated. I would draw him as a kid. He was hard to draw. He had a lot of detail. Yeah. Dylan doesn't understand what this is. No, I have no idea. Only real X-Men fans will understand this tweet.

The only X-Men I know of is Wolverine. Was Gambit even a mutant? I don't know. He was just really good at throwing cards. I'll be honest. I don't think I've ever seen a Marvel movie. What? I've never seen any of the superhero movies that have been coming out lately.

You haven't seen any of the Avengers movies? No. They're really good. No, I've heard that. Yeah. I just, I don't know why. I never select that. A few weeks ago, I said to myself, I'm going to get into the Avengers stuff because it was all over Twitter.

Give it a shot. Let it earn your business. Avengers is the one that you're going to hang your hat on right now. I'm not going to say hang my hat, but it's really hard not to enjoy those movies. I did not really have Dylan being an Avengers guy. I'm not an Avengers guy. They're entertaining movies. Sounds like you're a guy.

How long are these movies? Are they like two hours? I first got into... That's a good callback. The Iron Man movies are good. I prefer those almost to the Avengers.

I watched the first two. I'm kind of out on Robert Downey. How could you? I don't know. He wasn't the Sherlock movies that he was in

weren't that great. Oh I never saw that. Well yeah he does have he's got some stinkers. What about the one where he was

no that wasn't him. I'm mixing people. Okay. Who's the one where he was... No, that wasn't him. I'm mixing people. Okay. Who's the most similar to him? Man, that's... There's an actor out there who's very similar. Paul Rudd? No, not Paul Rudd.

Ant-Man? Is he Ant-Man? Yeah, I haven't seen any of the movies that he's in. I haven't seen all of the Avengers movies. I've seen a handful. I don't know. I'm not anti- I've seen a handful. I don't know. I'm not anti-Marvel by any means. I just don't, like...

It's not something that I choose over anything else. I kind of... I've kind of bailed ever since, like, Ben Affleck became the Batman. That's not Marvel, though. That's not Marvel. DC? Sure.

No, I think... Batman is just its own standalone thing, I feel like. Like, Christian Bale wasn't... You wouldn't say that he was part of the Marvel or DC universe. No, yeah, that's a different... Christian Bale was a phenomenal Batman. No, no, no, there is... I'm almost positive that it's one or the other,

or he at least appears in one or the other, or maybe even both. I'm not sure. There's some people right now who are really into this, who can really set us straight. Oh, they're mentally flaming us. Oh, don't fry us. I think you're pretty wrong here, but that's okay.

I'm going to look it up at the break if we do one. I can't confirm or deny. How did we get here? Stranger Things. Check it out. The trailer's up. In terms of all the... I want to say this before we go.

In terms of this trailer, I am the third most excited I've been to watch a new season. It was a good trailer, but the other ones got me a little more hyped. I think they're going to bounce back. I think they know season two was good but not great, and I think this one's going to be electric. But I'm hoping they mix it up with the monsters. I like a little bit more diversity. I don't really care that it's scary.

I want something that's more psychological. They're going to beat the relationship between the toothless kid and Billy into the ground, aren't they? Yeah. That's my fear. They're going to take it too far. What about the redheaded girl who could skateboard? She's back. She couldn't rip.

She's better scared than me. Dylan just rolled his eyes. He knows that I'm a better better scared than me. I know. Dylan just rolled his eyes. He knows that I'm a better skater than her. I just didn't want to say it. Oh, God. Shut up. Dude, I'm sick.

My only knock is that I pushed Mongo. Dave, you have a gym story that you wanted to talk about. I don't know anything about this. I don't either, but he seems excited about it. Yeah, I think you talked about it with me yesterday real quick. I was party to a conversation he seems excited about it. Yeah, I think you talked about it with me yesterday real quick.

I was party to a conversation in the gym locker room. Privy to one or party to one? What did I say? You said party. I was party to it. It was a party in there. I was a party. Is that a thing?

You're a member of the conversation? I was in the vicinity, so I might have been. I wasn't technically eavesdropping because you know our setup. There was three people over there. I was one of them. I wasn't party to it because I didn't engage. They were openly discussing in front of you, knowing that you would hear the whole thing. I didn't know that.

Definitely. They weren't trying to be quiet. I didn't know that phrasing like that was a thing. I'm sorry. I don't know. Again, I'm operating at about 98%. That's pretty high. Yeah.

Good for you, man. Thank you. So I'm in there. I've just finished a workout. There's two older guys and they're talking or like small talk. And then a group of what I imagined was either college or high school age kids walk by and they're, they're, they're talking like high school kids. Like, Oh, like blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, like, you know, they're, they're talking like kids do.

And like the old guys go well i guess that's the english language now huh and i was like okay it's fine it's like yeah you know that's you know how it's how these uh the millennials talk and i was like oh okay we're gonna do this so i'm just listening and i'm kind of grinning i'm facing my locker changing i'm like please let this keep going the guy goes well you well, you know, they say the English language is dead, but, you know, I guess if we got geniuses like these. And, like, they're saying this, and I'm like, okay, you're ragging on these high school kids.

That's where it gets weird. He goes, you know, I saw a video the other day. It's called the Millennial Job Interview. I saw it on YouTube. And I'm like, this is so dad. This sounds like something from, like, E-bomb's world or like Funny or Die it's so dad and I've actually weirdly seen this video and it's one of those

videos that gets a lot of views and like the concept is funny but is it Funny or Die? I don't know probably he's like you know it's so true you know it's these millennial job interviews and the girl and he starts describing what the girl says the premise is she gets interviewed by an older guy.

And she's saying that she can only work X amount of days. And she's just being really high maintenance. Traditional millennial stereotypes. And the other guy is just kind of laughing along. And meanwhile, I'm like, these guys expect me to engage. Because I'm not going to engage. First of all, I'm nude. I don't want to engage while nude.

Hell yeah. Yes, dude. The story just got better. Dude, tell got better yeah i'm nude wearing my shoes it was weird um nice so then he goes you know this is where the guy transitioned and gets really weird he goes you know uh what's interesting is all these uh this cheating scandal these kids cheating to get into colleges what's the difference between that and people who come here who aren't citizens that go to college? I mean, they're both cheating to get into school. Oh my God.

Okay. How old were these guys? Between 45 and 60. This guy's cracked out, always sunny, but in front of the board trying to connect the dots. This guy wanted to take it there.

He wanted to talk politics so bad. I'm facing my locker still, and I'm making faces like, that is such a leap, sir. Yes. And I'm on pins and needles like, is this other guy who they don't know each other. I can tell that this is just small talk. The other guy's just like, oh, no. Is gonna is he gonna participate and he just kind of does like the awkward huh yeah and i was like oh and it was just a pause of just dead air and i was like oh this is so awkward i can't turn around dude why didn't you throw a molotov cocktail into that fucking fire i

could not and and he and like they start talking and kind of agreeing and then somehow Venezuela came up and they start talking about like regime change it was the most bizarre thing and then he starts talking about his time in the service and how he was served and and when he was there he was in South South America and he starts giving these anecdotes about how Venezuela has always been that way and I was like dude this just escalated from y'all making fun of some high school kids to an indictment on our immigration policy. Hell yeah. To Venezuela.

All within, and I mean this, like a three-minute period. And I didn't want, I froze. I didn't want to walk out because they could probably sense that i was uncomfortable probably so i was just like slowly putting stuff in my backpack to get out of there because i didn't want these guys to like look me in the face i don't know why it didn't it shouldn't matter but in my head all i could think was like i want to turn around and be like dude what you just said is in no way like a profound statement. I don't even know how he connected those dots. He connected the Lori Loughlin paying a lot of money to get her kid at a U.S. fucking C to kids who aren't citizens going to college.

What a jackass. It was so bad. It was so awkward. It was so awkward. Probably not a very smart man either. No, and like, dude, I don't know. He's woke. He's just a dude who wants to force political talk on Facebook.

He's like everybody's... He gets off on Facebook political rants. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. I didn't want them to recognize me as being the Texas cuck. Right, right. I would have a counter argument.

You don't want them to recognize me as being the Texas cock. And maybe like, right. Right. I would have like a counter argument. You don't want that smoke. No. I would have just interjected with you. Just doing Ted Cruz voice. Well, well, you know, I have been,

our immigration policy is broken. He's kind of been low key with Beto beto running for president we're gonna get some content out of this the amount of fucking texts i've gotten from beto people all i want to do is go to one are they texting again yeah all i want to do is go to one willie nelson concert for free in downtown austin so i signed up and rsvp'd for it and I've just gotten blitzed. You blew it. And I didn't even go. That's the most frustrating thing. I didn't even go to that concert.

Have you seen Willie before? Yes. And you wanted to go see him again at a Beto rally? You know, Dave. What were you doing? I got, I don't know. Did you get strong-armed? I don't know why I did it.

It sounded like a chill idea. People in Austin, they'll go nuts if he plays anywhere Without admitting that Maybe he's lost his step Yeah, he's like 88 years old It's cool to see him for like 2 seconds And then you're like, eh, okay Okay, cool, cool

He's a bucket lister But yeah, I've checked his mark I've got My big dogs pretty much Checked But yeah, I've checked his mark. I've got my big dogs pretty much checked off now that I've seen Seeger. Oh, I didn't know you hadn't seen Seeger before. I've never seen Seeger before. But if you have the opportunity to go to a show on Bob Seeger's final tour, and he's in your area, I strongly recommend you go. It was a phenomenal time.

No, I'm good. That's, shut up. Don't, shut up. I'm straight. No, it was so good. So fun. He still can sing. It's a wholesome good time.

Yeah, dude, he has pipes and energy. He had more energy than anyone else on the stage. You think he's on a copious amounts of cocaine? Nah, nah, he's too old for that. Just asking. He does drive a murdered out black jeep that's lifted that's tight it's fucking tight body lift or suspension i don't know hard to say i don't know the difference how do you not know the difference dog i'm not a car guy i'm not either i just took my car to get a new battery the other day, or on Monday,

and I walked in and the guy was just licking his chops. He's like, oh. You weren't wearing your Carhartt beanie? We're getting paid. Look at this guy in the mock turtleneck. I'm going to take advantage of him. You walked in looking like Elizabeth Holmes? Yeah, they definitely look at me and they're like,

yep, we're taking this guy for all he's got right now. I just got to say, keep your politics out of my gym locker room. Yeah. I have a very strict no politics policy. They were baiting you and you didn't take it. They definitely weren't baiting me. I didn't know we were doing masturbatory jokes right now. Were they naked then?

They were in the process. I want the naked, dude? They were in the process. I want the full visual here. They were in the process, but I said how it was awkward and the other guy didn't know how to respond. He could have gotten out of there, but he chose to stay in the conversation to see where it went.

I feel like the outspoken super right-wing guy is very vocal in Austin because Austin is just a traditional liberal town. So when they meet somebody who is maybe like-minded, maybe, they like to really sound off. It's crazy to me when people will bring up far-right or far-left politics around strangers. You don't know that person's beliefs. It's just like you're taking a weird gamble here that's so unnecessary like they might agree with you and this conversation might go well but it probably won't it's just it's just stop i get so uncomfortable when people talk politics

even if i agree with the politics i'm like i don't want to hear what you have to say about it just get out of my face dog very rarely do people who talk politics in public articulate the their argument very well so even if you do agree with them when you hear it from somebody else who might be a total dumbass you're like it makes you rethink things like oh am i wrong is this what i sound like when i'm like at a family dinner and like my crazy drunk i sound like an idiot too? Yeah. I heard some backers...

I got a DM from some backers and they said that they were next to you at a restaurant the other night, Dylan, and you were just talking about the benefits of not vaxxing your children. No, stop. Oh, wow. Don't get me started on the vaxxer crowd. Have you guys talked about that on Mail-In with Sally yet? No. No.

Scorched. the vaxxer crowd have you got talked about that on mail-in with sally yet no no scorched i did retweet a very funny um anti-vax or pro-vax i guess tweet last night did y'all see it no somehow missed that someone no do you want to know i didn't see it because twitter was trash yesterday twitter was trash uh someone tweeted um you know the plague went away without a vaccine. And then some chick responded, like quote tweeted and said, it dot, dot, dot, killed one third of Europe. And it had, you know, it went mega vi, macro vi. Macro vi? I gave it another RT. It was a really good one. It didn't, this didn't go macro vi.

This went mega vi. Yeah. That's, is that above macro? I don't know. What's, give me, give me the numbers and I'll tell you. Do This went mega Vi. Yeah. Is that above macro? I don't know. Give me the numbers and I'll tell you. Do you want the numbers? Yeah. 73.9 thousand retweets.

That's mega. If that's RTs, that's mega. Yeah. 334 thousand favorites. And her ratio is phenomenal. You love a good ratio. 1.7K responses to the tweet. And when you have a ratio of that,

oh, it's perfect. I love finding a bad ratio, though. Great work, Dana Schwartz. Like the guy who talked about barbecue only being good in New York City had one of the worst ratios I've ever seen. And I really enjoy it. Have you ever gotten ratioed?

No. I feel like I have. I can't remember what for. I try not to step out too far on the limb with my tweets. I had a tweet that I thought would get ratioed at i feel like i have i can't remember what for i try not to step out too far on the limb i had a tweet that i thought would get ratioed at one point but enough people favorited it that it outweighed so i was good i had a tweet that got rufio'd it died tragically at the end damn what would yeah yeah like he had he got cocky and next thing you know, he had a sword buried in him. Dude, that made no sense.

My allergies are just killing me right now. Dude, it's not. I didn't even realize it. We literally need to go into an actual steam room. It's getting worse as the podcast goes on. Finally, you're getting a real dose of Central Texas because we had such a wet winter that it's going to be a bad spring. I mean, we always have a wet winter but like specifically like the environment and stuff it's just hella wet stupid wet slick than a what i don't know okay cool cool cool uh we gotta talk about thanos

we gotta talk about our friends at roback though okay that is dave's double spawn right now dave's not only wearing a roback pullover but he's wearing a roback backwards hat um can you speak to the comfort of this pullover dave it's my favorite quarter zip y'all have heard me dylan and will talk about how sexy it is it's navy blue it's got the white lining it has uh the American flag on the upper back. A tasteful American flag on the upper back part of the neck. So if you pop collar, which I mean you kind of have to have the collar popped on this. You are dripping today. Yeah, you're wet.

I didn't warn y'all that I was going to come through dripping. No, you didn't. I need to wipe you down. Okay. Don't wipe me down. It's very cool. Look, I got one of the long sleeve polo. I got a long sleeve polo. I saw you. You wore it yesterday. A lot of companies are making those. Oh, my God.

I'm going to have to reach back out to them and tell them about this. It is sex. Is it? Yes. Like my torso is having sex. What I like about the pullover is that it's a more athletic cut than you'd be used to with some old man pullovers. Yeah.

It really compliments my lats. Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Whole bod looking good compliments my lats. Yeah? Yeah. Whole bod looking good, Dave. Thanks. You're welcome. If you aren't familiar with these guys, get familiar. They have polos, both short sleeves and long sleeves,

as Dylan said, QZs, hats, performance tees. Dylan's wearing a performance tee right now. I sure as shit am. We don't need swearing. I'm sorry. It's great. I actually wore my performance tee all day yesterday. I will be wearing this to the gym later.

If you want 20% off at Roback, use Circle20 and you'll get 20% off your order. Again, that's Circle20. www.roback.com R-H-O-B-A-C-K roback.com I'm going to be repping this very heavy next week at the match play. Something tells me that we're going to have to all get on a group text before and say

hey what are you wearing today because we're going to end up wearing the exact same shit that is if I'm not wearing my sleeveless black Nike dry fit with a backward hat and wrap around white shades you're wearing that one of these days we're going to get some bits off

please do at least bring it in a bag so you have the option to around white shades. You're wearing that one of these days. We're going to get some bits off. Please do. I can't wait. At least bring it in a bag so you have the option to switch into it at some point. Yeah, I'll probably have to have a backpack

out there with some of our equipment in it. So if you want to toss your outfit in, we can make something happen. Damn. Can your bag hold that fit? I don't know.

We can't have dudes teeing off and like the bag is just shaking because that fit can't get held down. It'll be dripping out of that bag, son. Dave just walks and like the bag is just shaking because that fit can't get held down it'll be dripping out of that bag son Dave just walks

out of the country club just like dressed like that and people think he's Tiger Woods I don't think anyone's going to confuse Dave for Tiger Woods

we're very different okay you say so he's slimmed down a little bit again that's circle 20 oh yeah row back 20% off what Will? Again, that's Circle 20. Oh, yeah. Rowback.

20% off. What, Will? So, I don't want to get fried for this because an email came in, but it says, I just got an email. It says, interview opportunity. I don't know if this is for our podcast or for a different podcast, but the subject line just says, actual vampire killed in Louisiana. Really? So, am I going to interview the vampire yes dude that killed the vampire hopefully wait a minute killed you

probably can't interview this is an interview with a vampire joke no i mean it is now i guess but i that's a literal email that i just tried to go back and watch that i don't know where you stood on it the first time around i don't think i don've ever seen it, actually. It's not great. Cast is stacked, though. What have you been watching lately? I think what we're about to talk about. Okay. I've been watching Dallas Stars hockey. I've been watching

Reddit streams of my Dallas Mavericks. And I've also been watching Netflix. What on Netflix? Hey, actually, this is HBO. Could I talk the squad into a tinky intermission at some point? Do you want to take one right now? I think we should.

Let's go. Let's go. They're fun. I need to blow my nose. I can use a nose blow. Okay. All right, we're back. As it turns out, we got one Tinky off, maybe a little bit more,

and two nose blows. Pretty big for us. Why would... What? We're the most transparent podcast in the history of podcasts. Yeah, I don't think people needed all that. If Dylan's going to do that, I'm going to explain it. Why would you just see what you did there? Should we get to the main event?

What the people have been waiting for? I thought we did that. I thought that was me telling my locker room story. True. This is the chaser for that locker room time. Amazing shot that you gave us. Let's talk about this crazy chick. The inventor.

If you haven't seen it on HBO Now, I strongly recommend it. I actually just made Dave and Dylan watch it last night because I was like, we are talking about this on this podcast. I'm glad you did. When you brought this up to me, I said, I remember watching the 60 Minutes with her a couple years back. I knew nothing about this story before hitting play last night. The only thing I knew about this story was things that I had heard at group dinners beforehand.

People were saying like, oh yeah, this like Silicon Valley chick, she lowers her voice, blah blah blah. Like all this kind of stuff. And so when I saw it, I was like, oh, this is what everyone's been talking about. I gotta watch it. And it didn't disappoint. I have

so many negative things to say about her that I'm gonna have to dial it back for the sake of the podcast. Dude, expose her. Expose her. Nothing about... What? She's crazy. I don't understand how you can have a company for 12 years.

12 years. It's called Theranos. Put some respect on that name. Theranos. And people aren't catching on to the fact that the product is complete bullshit 12 years how does she swindle for that long

who's the villain in the Avengers is it Thanos Thanos Thanos I literally just told you I've never seen this I always mix the two up

when I hear them I mean it's called fraud but how did how did she pull it off for so long because what she was... Okay.

I think because she did have some success with certain tests they could do. Yeah. And the idea of it is absolutely a disruptor. Wow. And it was... I mean, they were secretive about literally everything. Yeah, it's true. I think when your idea strives to accomplish what they wanted to accomplish,

people would rather believe that you are doing it, even though you're being secretive about it, than to believe that you're completely botching it. That's a big part of it. But all the people in the lab that are actually working on this product. They're as much at fault. They're the same idiots from Jerry Media who were at Fyre Fest. All the NDAs.

Wow, that is a comparison. All the NDAs they have to sign and the secrecy around the project. It's just so bizarre. They're interviewing these people, though, and the girl who ended up being the whistleblower that got this all, whatever. She's acting like she did something noble. It's like, well, no, you also worked for this company for a really long time doing something that you knew that didn't work

and was illegal and fraud. No, no, no. Let me... I don't... Okay, I haven't done research outside of this documentary other than three years ago, a 60 Minutes thing.

But... So, you're working... You've got this company. You know what you're working on. And you know there's problems with it. It doesn't work. But the way it's being portrayed and how they're raising money, that has nothing to do with the people in the lab.

Once they realize, okay, then she became the whistleblower and I think she should be applauded for. But I don't think anybody who was in the lab necessarily was was in the wrong there like they they all were probably thinking that yeah we're gonna it might take a while but we're gonna get there you know she brought it to market too soon this girl made it sound like she and the guy and the guy the grandson guy he he's he pretty much admitted to getting duped by the stuff all the time. Yeah, and they kept it.

It was very segmented. It was closed off. So it was weird. The one Edison that they would use for tests was down in a cellar. Yeah. Okay. Yes, respect to her for actually doing it. But at the same time, she's not like the hero of this documentary by any means.

No, I mean, no. Yeah. People that were working in this lab sounded like, from the sounds of it, definitely knew what was going on. Yeah, I know. I just try to empathize and put myself like, say I got a bunch of college debt. I get a job. I'm working. There's going to come a point where it's like, okay, I got to bail.

Otherwise, I'm going to get caught up in this. But you need a paycheck. I got to bail. Otherwise, I'm going to get caught up in this. But, like, you need a paycheck. I got to talk about our fits at some point. They're the ones who are going inside of this Edison and seeing the blood splattered everywhere. That was gross. And not knowing, like, at the end of the day, you should know that that is not how it should be. Right. But they're not going out and doing the deals with Walgreens and Clinton. You know what I mean?

It's like you have your CEO saying one thing and and they don't know what she's telling investors to bring all these people on board so there there is a barrier there and i'm sure you know i'll clarify my statement previously i think there probably were some people who were bad actors in the lab yeah they didn't get into that there were there was a lot of people who probably didn't want to appear on camera there's it's it's to me it's kind of like the fire festival thing in the sense that you had the people that were working on like the app that were doing work that they considered to be good and they kind of just got caught up in it and got blindsided and but i think that i feel like these lab workers might be a little more at fault because they're not just making an app that

connects jaw rule with fans wow to me that that's tight that she had so many people just hoodwinked because to me great use of hoodwinked thank you to me looking at this woman like she just seems like a total fraud to me like nothing is impressive about her to me at all kind of digger vibe no okay let's talk about her fits fire you can't dress like Steve Jobs. You just can't do it. As a CEO. She said she's been doing it since she's seven, Billy. She's seven, Billy. I understand that.

She drew a time machine. I don't care. If Steve Jobs, I tweeted about this. If Steve Jobs corners the black turtleneck market as a CEO of a Fortune whatever company, you can't do the same thing. She's clearly obsessed with Steve Jobs, though. I understand that. But how do you take her seriously?

The deep voice and the big bug eyes, she's not blinking, and dressing like Steve Jobs, and all the photo shoots she does around the office constantly. She had a million professional pictures done. That's not fair. No, yes, it is fair. She was just playing the role of CEO, is my point. There's no substance to her. The Fortune magazine approaches watch media and they're like,

hey, we're doing a story on big podcasts. Not small to mid-sized, just big. I'm going to take a photo with an iPod in my fingers. Like CEOs sitting at a power desk in a corner office. Those kind of pictures are tight. But she had thousands of these pictures that they just kept showing throughout the documentary. That's because she was the star child of Silicon Valley. She was just complete phony.

Fuck her. She sucks. Damn, you're high-key steaming right now. Yeah, we know that. You can't dress like Steve Jobs and be taken seriously. You just can't do it. Well, actually, it turns out you can. No, you can't.

Because she was. She literally did. Did you see the board of directors? That is, if there's a new world order, if there's the people really pulling the strings, it was like half of the board of directors. If I'm applying for a job at Theranos, is that how you say it? Theranos? Yes.

And she comes in interviewing. I'm like, you got to change. I can't work for you like this. You got to change clothes. I disagree. Mix a new color in or something. No, no, I disagree. I can't work for you like this. You got to change clothes. I disagree. Mix a new color in or something. No, no, I disagree. I actually share her philosophy on wardrobe.

That's the reason that all my clothes are like navy, a lighter blue, gray, white. Pretty much a lot of my clothes are that. My wear around. Wait a minute. What? Okay. Look at me right now. Okay, Will.

I understand you have a certain style that you go for. I want to go into my closet, grab anything, and make sure they go together. Okay, I understand that. She is dressing like a specific person who is a Silicon Valley badass, like the top CEO maybe we've ever seen. She is emulating his entire thing. Like, what are you doing? It's psychotic. It's called getting a fit off.

It's psychotic to me you can you can you can yeah she's the only one who dresses like you can talk down about everything about her in my opinion except for her fits oh that's one of the main points i have against her i think it's nuts that she's just trying to exactly emulate you know you're the most one of the most successful ceos the country has ever seen. Okay, if I... His wardrobe. And the way she poses with the little, you know, vial of blood or whatever.

They were directing her. Yeah, it was a photo shoot. I don't care. I don't care. Like, they were directing her. She's nuts. She didn't pitch them like, hey, I'm gonna... You are so much more mad about things that don't matter

as opposed to things that do matter. Elizabeth Holmes. Shut up. Do your best impression of her. No, don't put me on the spot. Hey, what's going on, guys? It sounds like I've been punched in the stomach when I talk. Elizabeth Holmes.

She does sound like she has had the wind knocked out of her. So there's no evidence out there that she actually lowers her voice. Wait, you're giving her some sort of haughty British accent. I've been practicing her voice at home, and I can't nail it. It's a hard one for me. It is a hard one because what we're trying to do... That's good. If you look at our competitors in the marketplace, Elizabeth Holmes...

I've been working on it. It's not good. I don't think either of you are nailing it right now. Well, it's fucking hard to do. Dave is better than mine. Dave is closer than Dylan. Yeah, because mine's not from 18th century England. Yeah, this isn't Downton Abbey, dude.

I knew this was going to be wild, but I could not get past Bitcoin tie guy. Oh, yeah. That guy was funny. What the fuck? Okay, look. You don't just... Is he so invested in Bitcoin that he's wearing a tie? You can't let him hijack your dock like that.

It is such a red herring for the dock where it's like, he comes in like, all right, we're going to get a few words. You have a backup tie. Like, dude, can you take off the Bitcoin tie? Spread your collar out a little bit. Just take your damn tie off. Put on this Brooks Bros tie. It's got some, like, elephants on it and shit.

Don't do it. Yeah. Here's a V Vines. I don't know. Don't wear that. The scene where they walked into Can't Touch This was out of the actual show of Silicon Valley. Yeah. She's just so awkward.

Everything was... Dude, this is making me realize how much Silicon Valley, the show, drew from certain scenarios here. The Edison box is essentially Gavin Belson's box that he was obsessed with that he refused to budge on. Also, I'm not so sure that the uh the venture capital woman from silicon valley like not that not the hot one but her boss the head one is she's got to be based on elizabeth

the one that got pregnant and then had her baby and like didn't even flinch the one who's very methodical and yeah dude there's something i think the main point I'm trying to make is that... We get it. The clothes stink. It blows my mind that she had so many people fooled because her demeanor and her appearance and her awkwardness, nothing about her seemed genuine to me. I could see through it. I think it's because...

I think that... I didn't even know the story, Dave. And the minute they started showing her on the screen, I was like, this chick's fucking... What? I'm telling you. Man, so i it's it blows my mind i think the reason that she had so many people on her side was because she would convince these powerful rich old men that she was connected to that's like the government connections kind of it's kind of okay i sound like the guy in the

locker room but it's like i guess it's the same premise as like scientology having the government protection like if you're if your project is funded by the government they don't want to bring you down i want to hear more about the government contracts yeah like the defense department contracts um that's like gold yeah oh yeah those are big boys so like yeah if you get that you're you're shit fucking mattis on the board it's it's mad dog shit henry kissinger what how is that dude still doing what he how is he still around that dude's been uh 80 years old for 45 years i can see being like an old dude and getting completely wooed by her. What she was trying to do Great idea.

It is absolutely would have been a game changer. Great idea. Have you ever had to use Quest Diagnostics? Their competitor? Like for lab testing? Are they the same ones that do the bars? No. Oh, that took me a second. Okay. How did my Quest Bar joke take that long i don't know will it's because there's oak in the air you're the quest bar guy he's operating at 99 percent 98 98 maybe

99 now um that would do quest diagnostics is trash it's such a rip you have to go in you give so much fucking blood i hate them i wish i wish this would have succeeded i don't know a ton about blood testing and i it kind of opened my eyes to the beating that would be if you had to get regular tests done it's very expensive the the idea that she had was noble and awesome like if they could actually do that it sounds like it would change a lot and make a lot of people's lives very easy that's why it was cult like people got in there like wanting to change they literally would have changed the world especially with her and she was going to offer it up cheap to you know developing countries it would have changed i honestly think that she that when she was in college she sat in her dorm

room or wherever the fuck she lived and she sat there and she was so obsessed with steve jobs that she just said to herself you know what i need to change the world in the same way that he did he did it with communication and devices. What can I do it with? And she was just thinking, and she was like, you know what? Health care is pretty fucked up. I'm going to change that. What can I do?

And she just came up with this wild idea, and then all of a sudden she was like, all right, this is my hill that I'm going to die on. And sure enough, she dead. Actually, she's still alive. Yeah. She found a way just to play CEO for over a decade. Like, that's what she wanted to do. That's why I brought up, like, all the, you know, the photo ops and shit. It's just, the whole thing was just phony to me.

I like that she did Mad Money on multiple occasions with Jim Cramer. Like, I thought that show was hashtag canceled. Like, I didn't know people were still doing Mad Money with Jim Kramer. Like, I thought that show was hashtag cancelled. Like, I didn't know people were still doing mad money with Jim Kramer. Who was like, alright, I gotta make things right with a big PR push. Call up Jim Kramer. I'm sorry. It wasn't me. Like, that's the last guy that, like, if, that's the last guy who

I'd want, like, rest my reputation on. The guy who yells booyah? Like, go on Kudlow. I know it's cancelled, but like, that's who you get things straight with on kudlow i know it's canceled but like that's who you get things straight with kudlow was probably in on it too go on uh bloomberg or something i don't know what's like the respect the press go hit up chuck todd chuck will bring you on he'll ask you the hard questions but he'll do it tastefully it's weird that dylan is so much more mad about like i mean we are but it's like it yeah i just i guess i can't imagine sitting in one of her you know company-wide meetings when

she's on the mic and just being like yeah my faith is in this woman because she's just there's just nothing to her to me this is more of an indictment on Silicon Valley than it is like... It's group thing. I guess, man, but... Wait, but hold on. Alright, I'm going to be fair here. Who... Think about some of the... Bless you. Off mic sneeze will over here. Dude... Think about some of the CEOs in Silicon Valley.

Think about Zuckerberg. Dude, he is not... Like, he is... Granted, he does not dress like that, although he does wear exclusively gray hoodies, no? Yes. Dude, he's the same thing. This is the thing that they do. Grant, I'm not comparing their ideas, but I am saying if you look at how they speak,

they're both very, very odd characters. Yeah, I think a CEO should have some serious charisma to them. I think that should be kind of like a prerequisite in being a CEO. But, you know, he made his own way. What are you going to do? He has a very proved platform that's been very successful. We're not talking about the merits of their idea. I'm talking about them.

I know, but he made his own way, and she did too. I understand that. But she just, I don't, I think she just seems so phony to me he doesn't i truly think that she thought before this was i'm talking like probably in 2015 when like the shit started to unravel my timeline might be off but like before it really got bad with them i do truly think that she thought that with enough funding and enough work that they could probably get it done that's that's the thing they that they could probably get it done. That's the thing. They thought they kept kicking the can.

Like, you keep raising money, we're going to get there eventually, and it's all going to work out. Then she got phony. But I do think that deep down, she and other people that worked there just thought, you know, it's inevitable if we have the funding and we have the resources. Sure. But doing that, you can't just sink billions of dollars into a company with a girl who's a fraud. You can't do the Walgreens deal. as tight as a walgreens wellness center is why is it why is well walgreens like it's the dumbest thing you can do is go to the most popular pharmacy in the united states like do something low-key so i had this thought last night and i didn't put it in a tweet form

um i don't know if this overlaps correctly but and I didn't put it in a tweet form. I don't know if this overlaps correctly, but is there somebody out there who used a Magnesis card at a Theranos Wellness Center? It makes you think. I got Billy McFarland vibes from her for sure. I want to know if someone actually has that one-two punch of like, yeah, I used my Magnesis card at a Theranos Wellness Center. Who's worse? Her or Billy McFarland? Oh, Billy. Okay.

Billy just wanted to party. She wanted to actually do something noble. theranos one of the center who's worse her or billy oh billy okay billy's was just that billy just wanted to party like she wanted to actually do something noble billy's just a fucking just a scumbag she could have saved a little face had she not just gone on a lie streak right after like when everything started to fall apart and she just started bullface lying on tv and stuff she could have maybe saved a little face with me if had she been like you know what i thought with enough stuff we could get it done but it turns out this idea is too far gone whatever and now she just looks dylan uh not great dylan hit us with a fun fact before the pod that her dad was a vp vp higher up at enron for a time yeah just saying i don't i don't know if he i would imagine if he

got caught up and was involved in like cooking the books and whatnot we would know about it they would have made up more of a point but it's still she she came from a pretty wealthy background so what were y'all's thoughts on the intern the dude whose grandpa was the uh former secretary of state is he like a mountain climber why is he so skinny why would he wear that shirt with What were y'all's thoughts on the intern, the dude whose grandpa was the former Secretary of State? Is he like a mountain climber? Why is he so skinny? Why would he wear that shirt with those arms? He had the same build as the dude from Free Solo.

Dude, every shot they showed of him, he had a really short-sleeved t-shirt on. I feel like if I formed that, I could just crumple him and put him in half. Go get a rowback long-sleeved polo and cover that shit up, dog. How happy was he to scoreboard his grandpa? Dude, what? Okay, I have a major issue with this, though. Like, dude, like, if your grandpa's that powerful, just, like, don't try to do, like, don't try to intern at a company that's, like, in disarray. Just fucking go, like, party in the Hamptons or something.

Yeah. He'll make something of himself, Will. Yeah, doing it under Elizabeth Holmes might not be the move. I don't think he knew this. Well, yeah, he probably would like that one back. What he's getting into. Yeah. Probably should have gone down to, Will. Yeah, doing it under Elizabeth Holmes might not be the move. I don't think he knew what he was getting into. He probably should have gone down to, I don't know, LinkedIn or something. His parents paid as much to get him out of legal trouble as Lori Loughlin paid to get her kid into USC. Dude, that lawyer, the dude, is it Boyce, B-O-I-S? Yeah.

Like world-renowned litigator. That dude doesn't look great. No. He's got quite the clientele. So the things that were weird about her were that she doesn't blink. After they said that, did you just find yourself watching trying to see if she blinked? She did blink at some points, but not often.

She has a creepy gaze. Well, I looked at my wife when we turn it on i go why why do they do these photos of her and close-ups where her eyes you can see every little capillary and like in her eyeballs and it's like oh because that's what they look like because they're open all day yeah yeah it's a little much you might want to do some like some dry eyes in them do some drops when it comes to her voice is there any concrete proof out there like that's not just people saying oh is that because there's like a story about a girl being at a party and hearing her break around the office when she was

drinking like i want concrete proof i thought that was going to be in the doc that because people were tweeting about it so much and it wasn't and that upset me the most. It's somehow the most talked about thing, even though it's not even there. I'll be honest. There was a girl that I knew in high school. She kind of had a similar voice. It's not a good look. It was a bad voice, and she caught heat for it, and I felt bad because you can't really change that. She's just nerdy and awkward, and that's the voice that she was born.

I don't think she's faking it. Of course, I come to defense of the fake voice people. faking it. Of course, I come to defense of the fake voice people. It does sound like someone put just a wicked body shot into her before she went out there. Can you imagine if your voice was so bad that people

were accusing you of faking it? Yeah, I deal with that every day. Except my voice is tight. Everybody knows that. Is there anything worse than trying to talk after you've had the wind knocked out of you? No, you can't talk. That's the worst feeling, man. Everybody knows that. Is there anything worse than trying to talk after you've had the wind knocked out of you? No. You can't talk. What we're doing is terrorist. That's the worst feeling, man.

It does suck. It's been a minute since I've had the wind knocked out of me. Come over here and punch me. I can change that. Come over here and punch me, Dave. Be careful. That's how Houdini died, dog. Really?

You don't want to go down like that. Isn't that the rumor? It's probably like the Elvis Presley rumor of how he died and shit. I have always considered that to be fact. On the toilet? Yeah. I think that's true. I think it's true like the Elvis Presley rumor like of how he died and shit I have always considered that to be fact but on the toilet? yeah I think that's true I think it's true too. Did people say he broke a blood vessel in his head because he was pooping too hard? that is probably not true

I think it had more to do with the copious amounts of drugs that was being said on the Harbor Springs middle school elementary school playground. That wasn't his fact we were also doing Richard Gere jokes we thought that was real in like third grade. What was that?

Come on. I don't know this one. Dude, I have no clue. The gerbil? Oh. Richard Gere's putting gerbils in his booty? That was the rumor

that I think has been that is a myth. I hope so. He seems way too cool to be doing that. I don't look at I don't mind if he did. I don't care.

Gears tight. As long as he didn't want the gerbil. What he does in the comfort of his own home, Will, is his business. How do we get to this? Dylan's new venture, it's like the Thanos of gerbil transport. The gerbil farm? That's not going to do that. How have we never talked about the fact that you have guinea pigs on this podcast?

I don't have guinea pigs. Jesus. Can we stop? Don't you have sugar gliders? I don't have. No, I have zero pets currently. Just imagine Dylan sitting in a chair with his guinea pig. Just a human child is all I have currently that I'm caring for.

I can see you being a dude who gets into reptiles. Dave, you know that's not me my buddies always joke that like my life is going to spiral and I'm going to have like a house that I bought but it's not going to be furnished anywhere but the basement and I'm only going to have like an iguana just chilling with me you know what's a tight thing about Cabo

other than like everything lizards everywhere there's like iguanas you'll be by the pool and you'll look over and it'll it scares people sometimes because yeah it's all over mexico there's just iguanas walking around and they're big ones like that and it's uh it's kind of tight i went to saint john with my parents when i was in high school and they decided to take a day trip and i didn't want to take the day trip and so i decided to stay back and chill. And so I stayed at the house and I thought it would be fun to swim in the pool naked

since no one was around. And I got out of the pool. They came home early. And between me and my room, which was very close to the pool, an iguana, like a very large, large iguana was just sitting there and he was just staring at

me and i was trying to lure him away from being in front of the door to my room so i could go in and get my clothes he came in for some tube steak dude what happened i stood there for i'm not kidding i stood there for at least two hours just like running around the pool naked two hours forever forever did he alpha do you and i was just i couldn't get him in Well he wasn't gonna hurt you Yeah but I didn't really know Like I was young And I was like I don't know what he's gonna do

Were you walking around naked? Yeah Did you have it tucked? I had nothing Didn't have a towel? No Did you cover it up? All my stuff was in the room

Who are you? I was chilling dude I thought it'd be tight It was tight for a little bit Until I got cornered by an iguana That's a weird move shouts all right were you just watching like the thing under his neck like inflate and deflate well dude okay i'll be honest the thing that i was most scared about which in hindsight was not

the thing i should be most scared about was his tail it was a long ass fucking tail and i just imagined it whipping me and like hurting i just i don't know i just kept on imagining it like latching on to me but then i like in my head now i'm like well they eat lettuce like they're not gonna he's not they don't eat humans it's not a komodo dragon that would be different if you saw a komodo dragon bugs and shit though yeah but i'm a little bigger than a bug a little bit you are bigger than a bug. A little bit. You are bigger than a bug. A little bit. They're beautiful creatures, man. They're like mini dinosaurs.

The beautiful great jaws. The beautiful great jaws. That's not your... That's not an opening to do that. Can we change our theme music to I Can't Touch This? No. Man, that was so embarrassing. When she was walking out before she started really hitting it, there was a dude in the background. I was going to gonna screenshot it but i didn't want to fuck with it he was like

he was the only one walking out like really getting into it it was so embarrassing and then you watched him stop when he noticed nobody else was doing it if i'm at that meeting i'm just one of the employees i'm like oh fuck here we go that's when you know when they throw the bird to quest here comes when you know that it's over. Here comes Black Turtleneck coming out of her office again. Let's do this stupid-ass meeting. Dylan, I will say, you can rip on her for whatever you want, except for the Black Turtleneck.

That's a psychotic move. To completely emulate another CEO. You don't copy another person who defined that outfit. That's him. It's weird. And the fact that y'all don't agree, y'all are a little weird, too. You're weird.

And I hate you both. No, you're weird. I hate you both for the rest of this podcast. Especially you, David. Is she, where does she, um... She's like a nine in Silicon Valley, right? No. Yeah.

Stop. I feel like she could have done better than the dude that she was hooking up with. I feel like he didn't have a lot. Why don't I remember him? Sonny? Sonny. Sonny. The COO?

The guy they were taking... They were on the PJ? They were hooking up. Oh, yeah. They were smashing. I weirdly knew that before this doc, and I don't know why. And then she fired him and broke up with him. She fired his ass.

That's usually how it goes. That's savage. Yeah. She had to do it to him. She had to. She had to. But, no, they're both maybe looking at some time. I don't know.

Well. Yeah. Is she going to go to the clink, you think, Dave? I'm interested. You know, I'm not really worried about that. I think I want to see what she bounces back with. Are other people in legal trouble for this besides just her? I mean, anybody, if you defraud.

Okay, so they've already probably settled. I think it said this, like numerous lawsuits from investors. Yeah. Because they defrauded people. Yeah, yeah. You know, they've concealed a lot of crucial information. But, like, okay okay here's something i don't know about fraud though like are the people that drafted the people that draft the documents

in order to do like are those people as liable as her like if their attorney drafted up like the investment docs yeah and he knowingly knew no oh if he knew uh i and he like induced them to do it like what if the account could be wrong what if there's like the accounting side no no i i just feel like it would be like a whole mess and you can't just pin it only on the ceo don't get me wrong well they got sunny too she should go to jail there's probably a like a number of execs that are that are uh gonna go down for this that they just didn't talk about they They wouldn't speak to him on camera. They had to give airtime to Bitcoin Tie Guy. They showed him in another video,

another clip, the same guy. He had a wild tie on. What was going on? He's Zany Tie Guy. I have a question. During this documentary, they filmed a lot in the office, like her just kind of walking around.

Was she aware that she was being, that this documentary was? No, this was from other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was footage from like other shoots. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Because all that footage was from like fortune shoots or, because you know how the guy said like, he's like, we talked to her family. We did these photo shoots. Like I assume that this is all footage that they acquired. I believe there is a podcast out there all about this. You're right. I think I'm going to listen to it.

I don't know how I can listen to it. Let me shout it out. Continue talking. I just had it pulled up. Yeah, I think I have to listen to it at this point because I'm enamored by this chick. I am too in the worst way possible. Yeah, it's not a good way.

I do kind of, I dig the literal length, though. I will never agree on that. If she made it her own, then that would have been tight. She should have gone white. She should have gone all white. You can't just dress exactly like Steve Jobs. No, but dude, that's part of... That's his look. She would not be as

recognizable and powerful if she didn't do something like that. Should she have maybe done a different look? I think it would have been tight had she gone all white. Like I said, she just got so wrapped up in being the CEO of this power company that she was like... It was just fucking weird. Maybe she didn't go white because she was just worried about the blood splattering out of the Edison machines. Hold on, hold on.

I'm about to hit this joint. Bro, power corrupts, bro. Whoa, dude. You ever thought of that? All those government and military officials on a board. You think it's like CIA? Dude, freedom isn't free. Yeah, man.

Can we stop? What were y'all doing? That didn't fit. Hey, the podcast is called The Dropout Podcast. The Dropout. It's an ABC radio one. So I don't know what that even means. Yeah, don't shout out other podcast companies.

I think ABCs, they're not small to medium size. I'm not competing with them. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. We wish her well. Do we? Nah. I hope she is able to bounce back from this.

Here's the thing. We need more women CEOs. Guys, let me just say it. She has the content, Gene. And I want to see what else she has in the tank. Have we thought about bringing her on as an advisor? Well, no. Well, okay.

I'll pull back the curtain. When we were negotiating with Scott Van Pelt, SVP, it was between him and her, Elizabeth Holmes, for a similar position. She said, I need to know now. I've got other offers. I've got other things going on. And SVP, we're like, we really want SVP. And then when he dropped out, we lost them both, basically.

So here we are. People forget that we almost had SVP. People do forget about that. That was the best day of my life. Can I talk about Twitter real quick? No. You can? Okay.

You can? Real quick. But I think we need to talk about our friends at Indochino first. Are you aware that they're the world's most exciting made to measure menswear company they make suits and shirts to your exact measurements and unparalleled fit and comfort dylan you actually went and did this here's what's tight about this this place indochino i went in there and i said i need a shirt um i have some weddings coming up i need a new dress shirt they said you need to get a fit off

they said we got you player um we're gonna fit you for an entire suit though i was like oh that seems a little unnecessary but okay well here's the thing we're gonna we're gonna keep your profile all your measurements at the exact cut of everything you're gonna wear so whenever you want to buy a shirt or a suit or a pair of slacks they have everything everything custom. Like your measurements, everything's custom. It's ready for you. You can go online and buy a shirt, and they ship it to you, and it's cut perfectly to your body. It's like getting a black turtleneck that's custom,

only it's a men's dress shirt. It's different. It's just as tight, though. They personalize everything. You can get your lapels customized, lining, pockets, buttons. You can even put your own monogram on there. Yeah. All you have to do is visit a stylist at the showroom,

and they take your measurements, as Dylan said. You choose the fabric, both inside and out. You choose the design customizations. You submit your measurements with your choices, and then you chill while it gets professionally tailored. They'll send it to you in a couple weeks. Yeah. Really, it's super easy, too.

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Again, that's Indochino.com, promo code STEAM for any premium suit for just $359 in free shipping. It's an incredible deal for a premium made-to-measure suit. Once you go custom, you don't go back. Talk about Twitter real quick. unsolicited advice by the way on people who may this is mainly for guys uh get double breasted put your measurements

in your phone notes so you always have them ready or just memorize them because you'll never know it'll come up and it'll hit you for a wedding you're in or something and like if you don't remember it's kind of a beating i I have no clue what my next is. That's the thing about Indochino, though. You don't need to keep it on you. Right. They keep your profile, dog. Yeah.

For Twitter, my locker room story, I wanted to tease it on Twitter or just tweet it. And the reason I didn't, I have a fear on Twitter now, and I'm guilty of this, of the guy who responds, I'll take things that didn't happen for 100 fear on twitter now and i'm guilty of this of the guy who responds i'll take things that didn't happen for a hundred alex yep and i always get a kick when i see that yeah and i was like man people are gonna think i'm just making this up to like virtue signal signal or something i tweeted a story the other day and i thought somebody's gonna respond with it it's a it's a it's a tweet killer yeah and now someone's gonna do it to me and they have to do it to me that's the thing

yeah it's honestly it's on the same doing that is on the same level to me as when people just respond to a tweet and this is mainly me just adding dylan with just yikes or this ain't it doing yikes is such a dick tweet. Yeah. It's so bad. Yeah. It just immediately just body bags him for no reason. So my favorite tweets that people respond to, and maybe you've seen this twice, it's like someone on Twitter will be like, yeah, my daughter just asked why if Beto or some politician is going to change the world, blah, blah, blah.

Oh, yeah. My two-year-old. And it's like, well, that didn't actually happen. I'll take things that didn't happen. You're clearly lying, sir. You're making this up. Please don't. Don't use your kids' political stances for likes.

It's fucked up. My two-year-old just asked me why everyone in the world doesn't have free health care. Your two-year-old didn't. No. It just didn't happen. I know a lot of smart two year olds you know Parks is a smart he's not a two year old

but when he was two he was very smart sure he never said that though no it's time for this weekend of fun presented by

Eisenhower's on Rainy Street as always we had a fucking blast there the other night I wish I made it. It blasted off. Dylan skipped. People aren't giving you enough shit for that.

Well, he had mono, so. Ew. You might have given it to me. You had the kissing disease, huh? We did make out for a while the other day. Did we? Yes, we did. Shit.

If you find yourself in Austin, Texas, whether it's just for a boys trip, bachelor party, bachelorette party, make sure that Eisenhower's in your rotation. You'll be happy. They had so much live music the other night, and they also do live music on Thursdays and Sundays as well. It's just a phenomenal scene. Dylan, that Sunday scene is unlike anything. Start us off, Dylan.

Are we playing golf Friday? I don't know. No one made it to tea time, so. Honestly, if I'm still, like, allergied out, I don't need to be outside playing golf Friday? I don't know. No one made it tea time. Honestly, if I'm still, like, allergied out, I don't need to be outside playing golf. I'll be honest. I think I have too much

to do this week. Whatever, man. I guess we're not playing golf Friday. I would play this weekend, but Dave's leaving. Make it tea time. I have the homie

on Friday evening, night. We chillin'. Might catch a movie. Might catch dinner somewhere. Don't know. Might get some cartoons off. No one really knows. Saturday and Sunday I have nothing and I'm so excited about it.

Nothing on the books. You never have anything on the books. That's how I like to live my life, man. Just free as fuck. Dave? What's good? What's up, man? Looking forward to this pod. Let's see.

Friday night, I'm pretty open. Friday during the day, depending on how my allergy sitch is, I'm going to at least get to the course, chip and putt, maybe bang some balls on the range. I mean, that's all I got to do. Yeah, you need to sharpen up that game. You can't say you're not going to golf with us and then go hit the range. That's not how it works.

We don't have a tee time. We don't have a tee time. We don't have a tee time. It's just not how it works. If you make a tee time, I'll play. Hey, listen. Hey, look at me in the face. No, I'm not doing that.

Look at me. I'm not looking at you. And then Saturday, I'm actually headed up north. I'm headed north 35. Tell the people what you're doing. I have an, a, an event for a, a buddy of mine who's,

uh, soon to be father. We're doing a, a, a shower, but it's a, it's a, it's a new take on it.

It's new to me at least. It's, we're just, we're basically playing golf Sunday and we're all bringing diapers. We're all just going to the course with a box of diapers that we're to play golf. I've never heard of this before. I'm glad it's happening. I'm honestly surprised you're driving three hours to do this he was uh we were best men in each other's weddings okay okay he's actually uh has made beats on multiple podcasts including this one

big i still owe need to cut him a check um yeah and i've got i've got some stuff Saturday I'm working on. I've got some stuff. Some irons in the fire? Yeah. It's going to be good to get up there, get out there, mix it up. What about you, bitch? Here's the thing about this weekend. My weekends after this weekend are stacked.

Just stacked. So this weekend, I am intentionally removing myself from any social situations. I also spent all last Saturday very hungover from our time at Eisenhower's with fellow backers, and I would very much like to not have to relive that day again. So I'm intentionally not going to go out this weekend. Who knows? Probably get a lot of fetch off with Rosie. Probably maybe go, I mean, if there's golf out there, I would be willing to play it. I don't know. I also plan on doing a little shopping this weekend.

I have to... I've committed to finding a piece of artwork to hang above my bed before Sally returns from Tulsa. And this weekend is the best weekend I can do it. So, that's what I'm doing. Not much. do it. So, that's what I'm doing. Not much. Fuck it. Maybe we'll go to Eisenhower's and let it rip on Sunday.

I would like to see that happen. Are you driving home after this golf? Well, maybe I kind of have to for the pod. Yeah. Because otherwise, it's going to be one of those rounds where I'm going to probably... Why is he not doing this on Saturday? They try... Oh, well.

It was originally scheduled for Saturday, but a bunch of the guys who have kids, they've got like baseball games or soccer games. Oh, my God. That apparently... Can't miss those. Nope. You definitely can't. Okay.

You know, because there's... I'll just... I'll stop. You can drive back at like can't. Okay. You know, because there's... I'll just... I'll stop. You can drive back at like 6 a.m. That, in my younger years, yes. I once drove from Lubbock to Austin when I was working at Grand X and my wife was...

Fiancee at the time was living in Lubbock. It's not worth it. That was not a great drive. No. Should we get out of here? Yeah, let's get out of here. It's a fun podcast. As always.

Give us a call for the listener voicemail episode. You can find that number in the bio of anything we have out there at Circling Back Pod. Patreon, it's going to be lit tomorrow. Or Friday, I guess. I'm all screwed up. These allergies, man. You're all mixed up. What are you operating at right now at the end of this pod, Dave?

I picked up steam. Probably 99%. Good. But yeah, we'll be seeing you on Patreon on Friday. Otherwise, have a safe Wednesday out there. Goodbye. Outro Music